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Nils
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:49 am: | 
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Hi Scot:
This is the tricky question: How does one catch a spirit. How fine a net are you going to use? Does a planet itself make up such a net. I believe that spirits have the highest volatile
properties. If the spirit is all or nothing, here and everywhere, what can hinder its migration/incarnation to whatever being at whatever place independent of past history only driven by the law of the strongest. However, I do not critisize your view. It may pretty well be normal and I aggree that this may be the case here on our planet.
Cheers, Niels |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 594
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:03 pm: |
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Hi Niels,
This was posted in one of the archives by me back in 2001:
Here is an "unofficial" translation from the Wassaermann #4 (1978).
Rebirth and its ties to a Planet
Paragraph 3-
"The spirit form of a life form, therefore, is bound to the planet until that time period has passed, and cannot leave the planet's realm until it is no longer tied to a physical body. Consequently, it is absolutely impossible for an earth human who has died (respectively his/her spirit), to reincarnate somewhere else on another planet. It is eqaually impossible for an intelligence from another planet to reincarnate on earth. The likelihood of a rebirth on another planet can only occur when a material life form is enabled to move through free space with the aid of certain technical means (space ships, rocket, etc., or through teleportation), thereby leaving one planet and visiting another.
Therefore, if a foreign planet has been reached through one of the above methods, and the life form dies there, it becomes feasible for the life form to incarnate on that planet - with the understanding, however, that the spiritual evolution level of the life form concerned is close or equal to that of the other life forms which had already been there and died on that planet.
Paragraph #7
A rebirth is also possible in outer space if a suitable place (spaceship, etc.) exists. If a wandering spirit form meets up with a spaceship where an act of procreation took place, the spirit form can, without much ado, incarnate there. Offspring can be born on a spaceship as easily as on planets. Numerous spirit forms of an embryonic nature and other accepted forms are floating through the open space, continuously in search of suitable star systems for incarnation."
Just an added note, if a spirit form has migrated to another planet which is "below" its evolution, it is possible for that spiritform to wait millions of years for the evolution of that planet to catch up to it before it reincarnates.
Regards
Scott |
Jay
Member
Post Number: 358
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:43 pm: |
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Hi Scott and FIGU members,
A spirit-form will only stay in a planet as long as the levels of existence are intact on the planets realm, in this case earth seven stages of existence in the fine matter world. The Spirit-form from my understanding stays within these seven vibrations of energy which keeps the sirit-form here on earth. Therefore the FINE MATTER World is set for our evollution only here on earth at this time until the earth no longer sustains any type of energy vibrations and life.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL 
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Memo00
Member
Post Number: 108
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 06:21 am: |
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hi to all,
Nils,
human spirits do not reincarnate as animals or viceversa
i think that simply it is not possible that there are more "bodies" than "spirits"
first, what happens when there is overpopulation
is that the spirits in the beyond have to "return" before its their time, causing a lot of confusion
if the overpopulation continues to grow then all problems grow too in a way that before there are more "bodies" than spiritforms, these human beings destroy themselves, like it happened in the planet mentioned by Scott (or by wars, or they migrate if they have the technology) |
Nils
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 10:15 am: |
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Hi Memo:
I knew you wouldn't let me down. You asked me the right question.
A teacher will always choose the right methods to have his pupils learn the lesson. Here on earth, it's not meant to be easy. If you start a lesson by giving the results of math lesson, the pupils won't learn anything. The Pleiadians are not stupid. They know that we have a lessson to learn. Consequently they don't teach us by giving the results of e.g. the topic, reincarnation.
An example is the resting period between 'reincarnations'. If I'm not mistaken, Semyase has expressed the view that spirits rest in space on average 150 years in space to mature for the next life.
It's well known that males deside the sex of the offspring. I believe there is more to than just the pure genetics. I believe that reincarnation starts at the point where a sperm cell is created. It's a scientific fact that the strongest survive to get the chance of fertilizing an egg. Each sperm cell has it's individual spirit. The genetic makeup of the spermcell combined with the spiritual proporties desides which one is having a chance to win. What a waste of spirits in each shot. No wonder if it takes 150 years on average to win the real thing.
There you have a possible explanation why the number of spirits exceeds the number of born bodies.
To rest in space - hmmm - what is not space. My fingernail is part of space, as well.
My point is that many born kids may mean an increased chance of week individuals. |
Janimetso
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 03:38 am: |
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Hi Nils and all,
According to my knowledge, spermcells don't have spirits. What waste would that be, indeed!
Jani Metso
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Nils
Member
Post Number: 28
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 05:47 am: |
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Hi Memo!
In addition to my last message:
Your are right about the cause and effect issue.
The cause is strong spiritual properties and the effect is success - in all aspects.
A spirit from a deceased animal - a pet, a dolphin, monkey or whatever - may have success, as well if spiritually strong. A 'human' spirit may have failure and an animal body may be the place to 'stand in line'.
Thanks for your message as ever.
Cheers, Niels |
Nils
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 06:56 am: |
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Hi Janimetso
A spermcell is a living being, despite a halved genetic bank. A being without a spirit is a dead being. You are right. I disaggree with you.
Cheers, Niels
Hello Everyone,
We seem to be getting off the topic of overpopulation-Thanks Moderator |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 09:18 pm: |
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I have tended to believe in reincarnation because it is the only belief that has some evidence available for it. Either directly through past life memories, or indirectly through near death experiences and out of body experiences - also what some mediums say about it.
What the Plejarens say - that you are tied to the planet that you are born on, and the only way to reincarnate on another planet, is to travel there physically, like in space travel, and then die there.
Whereas I previously thought that spirits from other dimensions could reincarnate here? Or from other worlds. The later sounds impossible, according to the Plejarens.
It is confusing when it is said that ideally, the earth should have a fixed number of people here, and cannot support overpopulation. ie. It is not in everyone's best interests for overpopulation to continue.
Yet --- where do the spirits come from? Are spirits having their turn-around time shortened, when overpopulation occurs?
And Delores Cannon, who has written books dealing with spirits and reincarnation, did speak of spirits from other worlds reincarnating here. So it sounds like she is in error about this?
Although this is off-topic here - I don't find it acceptable that spirits are 'sleeping' when they have 'died'. I thought it would be more of a case that they would 'rest' over there, on the other side. There is a lot of material that deals with spirits and reincarnation. Are they all wrong? In what information they impart?
I don't wish to doubt the Plejaren material -- but when it is so conflicting with other sources, and somehow doesn't quite make sense? I have to ask for further clarification...
Harvey |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 605
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 10:56 pm: |
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Hello Harvey,
It sounds like you have read some of the information on this website, but have you studied any of the books and booklets that are available from FIGU?
Generally people do not remember their past lives. The reason for this is that it would create confusion within the person. As it is nowadays, may people are semi confused because of having to return to physical life before their spirit has had time to digest the knowledge and wisdom from its previous existence. Even if we were to know past lives what good would it do us? Any earlier existence would most likely be a less evolved state, so what could we expect to learn?
Yes according to the teachings only beings that have physically died here on this planet will be reborn here. Spirits do not travel around the universe hopping from planet to planet. It would seem there is some logic to this. If a person creates much trouble and suffering for others and then he dies, how would he "pay" or balance out the negative he had created? If he was given the chance to leave, how would he evolve and learn from his errors? Granted it is not quite that simple, but you get the idea.
Why would it be in everyone’s "best interest" to have overpopulation? Overpopulation creates such a multitude of problems that it can only result in deterioration of the planet, and the quality of life for those who are presently alive. Spirit forms are created by the Creation, and yes the turn around time is shortened as a result of overpopulation. Somewhere on this forum it was stated that when a spirit reincarnates before its time, it is like waking up in the middle of the night when you haven’t had enough sleep or something to that effect.
I’m not sure I understand your question in regards to the spirit sleeping? The spirit does not die, but is eternal. The Psyche or "soul" (derived from Solar Plexus) as it has become known does cease to exist after the death of the physical body, but that is part of the material existence and not part of the spiritual realm or fine matter world. The spirit is in a passive or neutral state, when it is in the fine matter world (or the other side), but is not conscious, until much later in its existence.
There is a wealth of information in the Spiritual topic area; you may find many of the answers you are looking for. Also, please look into some of the printed materials which are offered on this website.
Regards
Scott |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 01:34 pm: |
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Thank you Scott for your answer. My financial situation at the moment is very poor and will be for some time, and I don't even have local library access either. I have a fine to pay off, that was due to a visitor who stayed with me last year, who did the unthinkable to a library book. When a visitor doesn't respect your wishes, I guess I should have kicked that person out long ago.
Anyway I have read a lot in a whole lot of different areas over 30 years - so I hope I don't have to start all over again? I didn't think that planet hopping would be usual as a matter of routine, and as there is only one livable planet in our solar system, that would rather limit it.
It did sound feasible that if one was evolved enough that one could go elsewhere in the universe to another similar planet elsewhere?
Or does that only apply to another 'dimension'.
Maybe I should sum up, what I regard as being 'truths' and you can tick off or cross out which ones you know that the Plejarens disagree with?
eg.
Near Death Experiences are 'real' - not everyone has a memory of them, but ones that do, can be relied upon, because they all say more or less the same kind of thing.
Past life memories are 'real' - where ordinary lives are lived, and there can be found some evidence for their past life, various cases have turned up in the media, etc.
With the so-called after life or fine matter
world.
Thought has power, so discarnate spirits as such can think up things as such. Create their own surroundings, if they wish. eg. you can have a house of your own design and choosing, except there will be no 'dust' etc of that nature.
This is like with dreaming, kind of.
There is a life review. Where you do relive your life in enormous detail and see what happened with your actions in this life.
People do reincarnate in family groups, in which the roles do get swapped around.
A person's spirit is a definite sex, but also one does change one's physical sex - does not solely live in the one sex each time.
Upon dying - one is usually greeted by friends and relatives that have passed over. That this does happen - you will have assistance at the time of your own death.
Isn't there a joyful reunion with loved ones?
When one has passed. To me, if it's just like 'sleeping' over there and there's no interaction with other spirits - then it just doesn't add up? Wouldn't there be activities to do? You would think that with so much sleeping that we do over here, we wouldn't simply go to 'sleep' between lives, and the only way we learn is on this physical world.
Maybe I should ask for a list of authors and books that the Figu / Plejarens approve of?
Surely there must be some writers which meet the criteria approval.
I have read -
Lobsang Rampa, Ruth Montgomery, Jane Roberts, Delores Cannon - and others.
I would guess that at least Edgar Cayce would meet with your approval?
I am slowly going over the Figu site and forums, etc.
I don't have a great desire to go over the spiritual material you have - as I've developed a reluctance when having looked at others, before...
regards
Harvey |
Jplagasse
Member
Post Number: 328
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 09:09 pm: |
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Hi Harvey,
I can only give you my ideas on a few things... nothing "official" by any means.
It's not so much "approval" etc. but the Meier information does comment & provide information on the "technical merits" of various "systems" or "sources" of information. Some people seem to mis-interprete the style of this information as being "authoritive" or whatever. Personally, i don't find this is the case, but this is another story
What we understand from this information is up to us, according to our knowledge and abilities to comprehend "reality" and our own minds. We are all unique individuals, each with our own ways of thinking.
Making mistakes and evolving through our understandings of past experiences is all normal and part of "the process".
"Near death" experiences are quite valid... although our assumptions on what causes these, and the mental/spiritual components involved is often not correct. As we grow in understanding, our interpretations of these events will change.
Cayce is described as having real talent with certain types of "psychic phenomena".
I figure that Cayce through his readings predicted the Meier information and it's interaction with our earth culture. This is NOT FIGU information however, but only a personal interpretation. Cayce's information is from a previous age, however, and is corrected, explained and expanded upon by the Meier information. Cayce's readings are well worth studying within the framework of the Meier information...
There's lots i could yap about, but the best part of studying the "Meier information" is discovering everything everything for one's own self!!
If you truly love decent mysteries, especially "true" ones, you are in the right place. The journey will include the mysteries of our ages and everything !!
Regards & best wishes,
JP |
Jo_jo
Member
Post Number: 31
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 12:51 pm: |
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Kiwilove,
Billy or the Plejarans have said that Jane Roberts "channeled" a self created entity. |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 698
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:18 am: |
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"u.s. citizens that do not want to work anymore in harvesting, house keeping, and other related tasks." That is a myth. If they paid Americans a good wage they would do those jobs. Those jobs are going to disappear anyway as more & more automation is happening. No one seems to care about the Afro-Americans that lose jobs to all Illegals. What about V.Fox he's demanding we let everybody in.
"The Minuteman Project - a citizens' neighborhood watch along our border"
http://minutemanproject.com/
If the USA didn't have Minutemen & Militias during the Revolutionary War with England there would be no USA. The US Constitution never intended to have a standing Army only volunteers, because with a standing professional army corrupt leaders will attack other countries. The US was never supposed to get involved with foreign wars. |
Kaare
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 06:30 pm: |
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Here are some recent statistics that shows how population growth is impacting on energy resources. Earth has the capacity, as I understand it, to support a population of 529 million with renewable energy produced on the surface. But as the population then started to overshoot this limit, the additional energy was found under the surface
by mining the planets stored energy reserves.
This is what the pie looks like now, with more than 7 Billion humans on the planet.
And it is worth noting that that the extraction of finite resources, (the stuff that goes empty), to cover world energy demand, stands according to this, at 85 pct of total energy used.
Primary Energy Source % of world energy
Oil 34
Natural Gas 21
Coal 23
Uranium/Nuclear 7
Water flow 2
Bio energy 12
Wind <1
(Source IEA World Energy Outlook 2004 / Simmons & Company International)
When Earth’s population was kept within the 529 million limit , which was up to around year 1650 - then, aside from a tiny use of coal, the main energy would all have slotted into the renewable bottom 3 categories being water flow (water wheels), Bio Energy (wood) (food for horses) and wind (windmills, sailing ships).
Today we look to these categories to give us renewable electricity , with the difference that they now only represent a few per cent of total energy used.
Oil is currently the number one energy source covering 34 per cent of global energy supply
Year World oil demand
( Millions barrels per day)
1950 10
1960 20
1970 50
1980 60
1990 67
2000 75
2005 (E) 84
2010 (IEA Model) 95
(Source:Simmons & Company International)
Population growth:
1950 - 2.5 Billion (U.N)
1980 - 4,4 Billion (U.N)
1994 (Oct) - 6,1 Billion (Figu)
2004 (Apr) - 7,1 Billion (Figu)
Obviously as population has increased, more oil has been extracted, as above statistic show. The same goes for other resources and commodities as well. Whereby there has been no shortage of goods in shops and petrol has been, and still is, plentiful and at a reasonable price.
This may be a reason why people do not see population growth as such a big issue and think it is largely a problem confined to countries like India and China .
That is not true in the sense that we become all affected. Most resources and commodities are traded globally. We see this now as India and China are rapidly expanding their industry base and we get added demand from these countries along with the added demand from rest of the world and we see a sharp price rise globally.
A trend I find worrying, , which can bee seen above, is that only over the last 5 years, 2001-2005, oil demand has actually increased more than it took to do over a twice as long a period prior, from 1991 to 2000, to do. An accelerating trend in another words. So these figures are just getting worse. The real pain however, will come at the point in time when we need more oil but get less .
We have already used close to 50 per cent of known extractable oil reserves. When this point is reached, we can expect oil production to go into decline. Although there is a fierce debate exactly when this will happen. Some think this will happen soon . One of them is petroleum geologist professor Kenneth S. Deffeyes who thinks decline will set inn permanently starting at the end of this year and by 2010 the worldwide oil production is going to be down 8 to 10 percent from what it is at the peak.
There has been some positive developments such as energy savings resulting from new technology, more renewable energy from wind and solar, but these have not been able to stem the accelerating pace by which the finite energy resources now are being exploited. This due to the sheer size of new energy demand created from the population growth.
So I can not see that any of these renewable alternatives, that we use today, can be combined and sized up to such a scale, that they can replace the finite energy resources we now are using when they run out in the future. And the future population may well have swelled to between 8 and 12 billion when we need to call inn these alternatives.
With a population of over 7 billion , we have now populated this planet 14 times over its limit at which it is producing food and energy in a normal , long term sustainable way.
The only solution to correct this imbalance, is to impose a strict worldwide birth rate check, with certain guidelines, in the way that Figu describes, with the goal to bring Population down the normal 529 million.
The data and the trend line has been well known by governments for the last 30 years or
more. And the population has been allowed to skyrocket. with a whole billion added just in the last 10 years period alone. With all the data power we have today, I wonder what shows up on the government computer models, and what their future projections are ?
One can ask: Why are no alarm bells ringing, and why are the focus still on “ renewed growth” when we have an population explosion at hand causing half the oil to be gone, energy intensive farming eroding topsoil, and climate change now starting to create all sorts of havoc ?
The root problem must be solved before the ills can be cured.
Until that happens, the ills will just get worse.
Regards
Kaare |
Phil638
Member
Post Number: 83
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:06 pm: |
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I think the main reason why the governments of the world are not doing anything much to resolve this population explosion is because the economies of the world need population growth to sustain their economies. The way they probably see it is if the population growth stops, so does the housing market stop as well as just about everything else stop too.
phil |
Phil638
Member
Post Number: 84
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:23 pm: |
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Kaare, thats why I think theres no alarm bells ringing, and why the focus is still on renewed growth as you asked why it still is.
I think the root of the problem is - every government out there still cares more about their monies and about their economies is why.
phil |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 729
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 03:48 pm: |
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Billy, How the heck are we going to stop Overpopulation? When Economists keep telling everybody this?
"Economists say that by 2015, Europe will face a declining population. It will need more immigrants, not fewer, if states are going to pay for the pensions and health-care systems of a graying population."
ANSWER:
Hi Norm,
That's silly, stupid and near-sighted thinking. It's no solution at all! According to those unreasonable "economists" (= in this case "egoists") there must be a steady increase of people on an piece of land that is finite. Very silly. After me the flood. The only effective way to stop overpopulation is by exercising a birthrate check. |
Jo_jo
Member
Post Number: 64
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 06:05 pm: |
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Business corporations drive population growth. They require an ever increasing consumer base in order to grow their top-line revenue and bottom-line profit. Their world-wide influence is strengthening over time. I believe Billy has defined them as the BEAST. |
Kaare
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 06:09 am: |
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Hi Phil,
You mentioned some good points.
I am thinking along the same lines. Most governments around the world seems very much interconnected not only with big business, but also with religion. These interest groups want no limits placed on growth or birth control. More people to them means more consumers or followers. And governments get their scorecard rated from how much economic growth they are able to produce. And I think that explains why governments also keep silent of the need to stop overpopulation and exercise birth rate check. Carrying capacity is also ignored as mega cities just grows bigger. And they continue to grow as long as there is cheap energy available to ship inn food and necessities from far away .
Regards
Kaare |
Kaare
Member
Post Number: 20
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 05:44 am: |
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The number of humans on this planet has now passed 7.5 billion (Figu) and it should be quite clear that what we need attention urgently focused on now, is how to reverse this trend and instead bring the global population numbers down. This is why religions is they last thing we need. With their false anti creational doctrines, they are planetary destructive. Religions promote the opposite of birth control. Religions are economic focused entities that follows a corporate model. They want more consumers so they can maintain growth.
Out today:
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050831/1/3un34.html
Pope tells Catholics to multiply
Thursday September 1
Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the
good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped
of energy because of low birth rates.
"Having children is a gift that brings life and well-being to
society," he told about 15,000 people at his weekly audience in
the Vatican, to which he arrived by helicopter from his summer
residence southeast of Rome.
He said the decline in the number of births "deprives some
nations of freshness and energy and of hopes for the future
incarnate in children."
unquote
Regards
Kaare |
Phil638
Member
Post Number: 111
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 01:33 am: |
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Kaare and the worst thing of all is that billions of people throughout the world listens to what Pope Benedict says!
And what would Pope Benedict know about helping the world anyway? The only thing that sick old fart cares about is expanding that stupid idiotic religious empire of his, is all.
phil |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 538
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 07:03 am: |
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Hi ALL...
OVER POPULATION ON THE RISE ONCE AGAIN, ALAS.
France pays to boost birth rate
PARIS, France (Reuters) -- France will give more money to families with
three children in an effort to encourage the French to have more babies,
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said on Thursday.
A parent who puts his job on hold to raise a third child will receive 750
euros ($915.6) per month for one year, around 50 percent more than the
monthly amount families with two children receive for a three-year period,
Villepin said.
See:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/23/france.families.reut/?secti
on=cnn_health
Edward. |
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