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    Norm |
Overpopulation can be profitable! The Water Barons - A Handful of Corporations Seek To Privatize The World's Water From The Public-i public-i@publicintegrity.org 2-3-3 WASHINGTON -- The privatization of public water systems around the world, driven by a handful of European corporations and the World Bank, is dramatically increasing despite sometimes tragic results, according to a new study by the Center for Public Integrity. The report, by the Center's International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, shows that the world's three largest private water utility companies have since 1990 expanded into nearly every region of the world, raising concerns that a few private companies could soon control a large chunk of the world's most vital resource. The report can be read at http://www.public-i.org To read more about the study, visit: http://www.icij.org/dtaweb/water/ M. Asif Ismail Production Editor Center for Public Integrity http://www.publicintegrity.org | ||
Edward New member Post Number: 217 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Concerning Over-Population and Food Distribution: Some weeks ago I happened to have seen a News documentary concerning "Genetic-engineered" grains and foods that were sent and to be distributed to parts of Afrika...but it was put to a "Halt"...by the Distribution-manager of that department. He simply said...he did Not want "Genetic-engineered" foods in his country and be distributed to his peoples. Alas...One can only conclude...that the Distribution-manager has not made a correct decision for his Starving Afrikan populations. One would think...that he should be Greatful and Thankful for the Free Aid he is receiving. Than to just let his population Starve to Death. Common-Sense and Logic would relativate that it is Better and Wise to feed the populations with the Genetic-engineered foods than to let them all Starve...I would say. Edward. | ||
ChrisFrank Unregistered guest |
Hello Edward, I don't know. Maybe I'm just being a little paranoid here, but it seems to me that some of the countries out there are dealing with the over-population problem by getting rid of their poor through such means as mass executions or starvation. I often wonder what's wrong with the Earth human race. Why the govt's allow people to over-populate, then think that they can fix the problem by mass murder. Where the heck is the spirituality in that? Interesting article I read from Austin Texas, where the writer claims that war is just a way to get rid of the poor, not only in other countries but from the United States as well. I think that genetically engineered food is a great idea, if one wants the population of their country to survive....(sigh) Lately across the Internet horror stories of the North Korean slave camps have been appearing. Also, here is a website if you want to know a little more, but also look under North Korean Slave Camps in the various search engines. This one was on Yahoo.com (caution...You'll need a strong stomach to handle reading this article): http://www.msnbc.com/news/859189.asp This article reminds me of Germany just before and then during the last world war. I can't beleive how diversified people are in their way of thinking. There are those who wouldn't think of harming themselves or others to those don't care about the human life at all. I rather enjoy life when it comes to certain things. I have a great sense of humor, but there are times that when I read about such abuses it hurts so much that I just want to say "Hey stop the world, I want to get off!!!" | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Chris, Well, what you have written...I have also thought of in the past. Well..as I can recall from the News documantary ...many parts of Afrika...and many parts of The World Do receive Genetically-engineered foods... Without...them even knowing this. Even WE...the populations of the Western world Are Consuming... these foods! Just as Billy..mentioned in one of the Questions to him; which I have Acknowledged for many many decades also...and when telling people this...they just Laughed at me. Just look at the foods in our stores...that are So Big...and shining. Just look at the many Patato-Sorts there are for consumption. There are So Many sorts...Because they have been Engineered that way. Just as many many other foods. There seems to be well over 100's of New Patato sorts! When the original patatos..were not even more than above...if I am correct..alittle over a dozen..original types. So the Patatos... were enigneered to be Bigger...Better....go so on. And of different types. The companies that make the Genetical-engineered foods...Distribute them All Over The World; only through this process..is a much Quicker manner of creating "Enough" foods for the populations of the world. So WE ARE...Consuming these foods....Not even knowing this...Fact. Yes, I am aware of the Link concerning North- Korea. It is very disturbing. As Korea has had a very difficult time with it's agriculture process and it is compared with the time of days that China was in decades ago. And it is/was Up To....The Politics..to make the Out- Come...also...Who Receives...the Food Distributions. As in those times of the China Crisis...10's of Millions have died(some estimate..well around 200 Million people)...because Western and Eastern... Politics...did Not See...Eye To Eye...Alas. So, it seems a Repetition...once again. Just as it is...in many other cases. So as you can conclude; when there is No Foods...Man goes Over boundaries of horror.... Alas. "Food IS Power!" And as Norm has also made clear with his posting and which I was conscious of.."Water IS Power....Also!" Yes...I have also thought many many times: "Oopps...Wrong Planet!" Thank Creation...We Have a Sense of Humor!..  I can Idenitfy with you. Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 560 Registered: 02-2000 |
FACING FISCAL CRISIS, L.A. COUNTY CONSIDERS DENYING CARE TO NON-RESIDENTS "Barred by a federal judge from closing or downsizing two public hospitals, Los Angeles County officials have begun looking at strategies for turning away out-of-town residents and other uninsured patients from the county health care system," Copley News Service reports. "[Recent court rulings] derailed $100 million in planned cuts and have forced the county to search for ways of eliminating a health system deficit that is expected to reach $235 million in 2005. The dire financial outlook is even spurring talk of barring access for illegal immigrants to non-emergency medical care - once unthinkable in a county controlled by Democrats." The county estimates that treatment costs for illegal aliens total $340 million dollars. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 561 Registered: 02-2000 |
TROUBLING BABY BOOM IN CALIFORNIA "The birthrates among teenagers in California's great rural swath are nearly double the state and national averages, and in some instances they surpass those of poor countries such as Namibia, Haiti and Cambodia, according to recent studies," the LA Times reports. "The phenomenon is emerging as a key issue in this economically fragile region, rivaling air quality and transportation as major concerns, costing taxpayers millions of dollars each year and leaving generations of families in poverty. The region's mix of economic, demographic, cultural and geographic factors could not be better designed to result in teenage pregnancy, say experts." http://www.steinreport.com/archives/2003_05_28.html#002210 -- | ||
Larry_driscoll New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2003 |
On the Internet I found a World Population counter through keyword "Overpopulation" and then item (7) "World Overpopulation Awareness" Presently it was showing a world population of 6.2+ billion population which is below the total number of 7 billion as indicated in the back pages of the 2002 FIGU Pricelist, the actual population of the planet. Recently, from an Almanac I found that there are approximately l31 million Births per year, 52 million Deaths resulting in a Net Population Gain of 79 Million humans per year which is approximately 5 humans every 2 seconds which is what the counter is clicking at. Larry Driscoll | ||
Larry_driscoll Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2003 |
Recently I read an article in my local newspaper titled "Global Migration" Some quotations follow: Joseph Chamie, Director of the Population Association of America states.... "America welcomes more than a million of the world's "huddled masses" every year."..... "America actually gets more immigrants than it needs to maintain population stability: Indeed, says Chamie, 80 percent of U.S. population growth between now and 2050 will be due to immigrants and their descendants."....." The numbers of people living outside their land of birth, says a new migration report by th U.N. Population Division, has doubled since 1970. Justification for immigration is that these immigrants: become taxpayers and pay taxes for support of baby boomer retirees: help a rebounding U.S. economy: take entry-level jobs many Americans opt not to accept. "No country can afford to shun immigrants-least of all nations of Europe, whose populations will shrivel without them" Nowhere in the article is there mention of the world being overpopulated. If you would like a copy of this one page article email me your postal mailing address and I'll send you a copy. Comments are welcomed My email: larrydriscoll@msn.com Larry Driscoll | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 562 Registered: 02-2000 |
Larry, This is what Billy had to say on the same topic, Billy, How the heck are we going to stop Overpopulation? When Economists keep telling everybody this? "Economists say that by 2015, Europe will face a declining population. It will need more immigrants, not fewer, if states are going to pay for the pensions and health-care systems of a graying population." ANSWER: Hi Norm, That's silly, stupid and near-sighted thinking. It's no solution at all! According to those unreasonable "economists" (= in this case "egoists") there must be a steady increase of people on an piece of land that is finite. Very silly. After me the flood.The only effective way to stop overpopulation is by exercising a birthrate check. | ||
Larry_driscoll Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2003 |
Norm, I remember reading your post before. What we also need to answer is though how do we find money for increasing numbers of retirees who are beginning retirement and as well living longer in retirement. My thoughts for finding the money needed are: decrease government spending, decrease defense spending, increase taxes on the wealthy,reduce somewhat the social security benefit itself, reduce hospital and doctor charges. Larry Driscoll | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2002 |
If you control population you will have a shrinking kids base to pay for the rise in senior citizens. Its a wash, you have less tax money going to a younger generation on schools, health, etc.. and more money going to seniors. Also remember the rise in senior spending will only last around 10-15 years and then you will even see that decrease over time. The only way for America to lower its unemployment problem is to stop importing immigrants and control population. Also take into account that prison inmates will shrink, road upkeep will decrease, energy prices will decline, healthcare cost will decline and more all from controlling population. America's whole INFRASTRUCTURE UPKEEP costs will decline that will easily pay for the senior citizen increase. The real problem is how do you get the politicians to control population and immigration? This is an impossible task unless the mindset is changed. Mark Gilbo | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 563 Registered: 02-2000 |
Larry, Our defense budget is out of hand for one. There's plenty of money that our Gov't wastes. Its all in the name of getting re-elected. Immigration Control advocates are called anti-immigrant for being against too much Immigration and Illegal Immigration no less. Thats how the PC (Political Correct) Lobby change around the wording to make you into a bigot! We have a major problem that hardly anyone in our Gov't wants to address. You will be amazed at the forces that want open borders & uncontroled population growth. I'm a member of all these groups now, because of Billys booklets. Even the Seirra Club was forced to remove Overpopulation & Immigration from its plank because of some rigged voting some within the Organization are trying to get it back in. "The Sierra Club has had a 30-year history of established population policy. Yet in 1996, the Board unilaterally reversed the Club's comprehensive population policy which addressed both the impacts of fertility (children per women) and mass immigration on unending U.S. population growth." http://www.susps.org/immig/index.html Read up on it! http://www.americanpatrol.com | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 564 Registered: 02-2000 |
Larry, Our defense budget is out of hand for one. There's plenty of money that our Gov't wastes. Its all in the name of getting re-elected. Immigration Control advocates are called anti-immigrant for being against too much Immigration and Illegal Immigration no less. Thats how the PC (Political Correct) Lobby change around the wording to make you into a bigot! We have a major problem that hardly anyone in our Gov't wants to address. You will be amazed at the forces that want open borders & uncontroled population growth. Even the Seirra Club was forced to remove Overpopulation & Immigration from its plank because of what some say was rigged voting. A growing movement within the Organization are trying to get it back in. "The Sierra Club has had a 30-year history of established population policy. Yet in 1996, the Board unilaterally reversed the Club's comprehensive population policy which addressed both the impacts of fertility (children per women) and mass immigration on unending U.S. population growth." http://www.susps.org/immig/index.html I'm a member of all the following groups, because of Billy's booklets. http://www.americanpatrol.com http://www.steinreport.com http://www.numbersusa.com http://www.fairus.org | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 565 Registered: 02-2000 |
Larry, Here's an answer to your question. By Peter Brimelow, "Peter Bauer was one of the inspirations of my immigration reform book Alien Nation. It came about in a paradoxical way: among many popular causes that Bauer dissented from was population control. He regarded it as a gross form of government intervention, like price control, that could easily do more harm than good. One day, I decided to ask a hypothetical question: if a country did, through restricting births, forcibly reduce its dependency ratio – the proportion of non-working children and aged in the population–wouldn’t that give it a brief breather in which resources could be diverted from consumption to investment? (It would be a brief breather, of course, because in a few years the supply of new workers would be correspondingly reduced, and the dependency ratio would rise until the aged died off. But by then maybe that investment would have kicked in.) A grand old chase ensued. Bauer by this stage had obviously decided that no opponent ever had anything worth saying and felt little need to come up with new arguments. He had also mastered a range of perfidious British debating techniques to avoid doing so. But eventually I cornered him. And his answer was brilliant. This was the composite Bauer quote we constructed together for Alien Nation: “However surprising it may be to laymen, capital and labor are relatively minor factors of production. For example, the work of Simon Kuznets [such as his Modern Economic Growth: Rate, Structure and Spread] showed that increases in capital and labor together accounted for no more than 10 percent of the West’s increase in output over the last two hundred years, and probably less. The balance was caused by technical innovation – new ideas.” In the context of the population control debate, this meant that any freeing of resources by reducing the number of children–putting aside any disincentive effect–was insignificant compared to the potential of innovation." http://www.vdare.com/pb/bauer_memoriam.htm | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, As overpopulation becomes ever more the one of 3 perils to Earth humanity along side religion and money, like a cancer out of control, the Earth becomes that much more plagued with 11.5x more people far exceeding the Earths holding capacity. Delete 2/3s of 6.7 billion people in a 3rd world war, you still have 2.3 billion people which still exceeds the max of 509 million people. Interestingly the countries most plagued in famine, war, poverty and disease well often far exceed the rest of the world in overpopulation with the highest birth rates. As human beings, we don't like war, crime, disease, poverty, the depletion of our natural resources, death. So what is the ultimate cure for that global disease we call over population??? Simple... We need a human disease that does not kill, does not harm, does not make one ill, but instead one that painlessly and harmlessly sterilizes human reproduction within the majority of the human race to a very low birth rate! But not completely! Also known as the "fertility disease". When life becomes once again balanced out to its normal capacity, then just perhaps we can then ask for an "anti-disease", which is actually air born anti bodies which seeks out to destroy all existing air born diseases with perhaps some exceptions to the fertility disease or until human being evolve further along in their evolution. Perhaps we should ask the Plejarans through Billy what they think about the creation of a none lethal fertility disease for Earth Humanity. Further more, perhaps the Plejarans can create anti bodies that will reverse and repair the effects of the altered emotional and aging genes. After all "IF" overpopulation was yet another end result of these manipulated genes by ETs in very ancient times, then for the same reasons they diverted the destroyer comet away from our solar system, I feel the Plejarans can also follow up here with my ideas. This does not mean I don't like children, and that is just my thoughts on the matter as to yet another possibility which may or may not be a solution, therefore everyones opinions are welcomed! Peace in thinking, James the truthseeker | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Well, its good Norm posted..the posting he posted to Billy..with his answer. I Truely Agree with what Billy has mentioned. It IS...Turely those " Unreasonable Economists"... which I would Also Acknowledge as "Egoists"! Only for Their (Own) Best Benifit...;which they have to make sure...that a "Certain" Amonunt of "Profit" MUST..come their way! Hence...They Come in the First Place...Not their labourers.(which Are Expendable!) I see the problems we have here in our country; there are So many people out of work, and what are the government's economists doing; their "Attracting" people from other parts of the world to do the work! Yes! Very Un-Logical! When there are 100,000's of thousands who Can have those jobs, just by (Re-)Educating them to their/this New Job. I find this Rediculous! When the people are there...in their Own your country....but go get them from abroad. And they even Dare....to say: "But the people we have here are Not Educated for the/that work!" Well, that Tops "Stupidity" for me...ofcourse! So, as you can Conclude; this is just a "Cycle"... which IS Created by those So-Called Educated Economists(Egoists - Well Spoken by Billy! - ! So their So-Called "Solution"...IS just a "Disillusion"! Which Will Result in even More "Friction"..bewteen The People and the Government...etc...which speaks for itself. As it has for long...and repeats Itself...once again. And from here on...It Even Breeds..."Racism"! Which makes certain groeps Blame...one and other. And you have the Instant Clashing of The Cultures once Again...alas. So Norm...Those Egoists....just want to make Sure...that Their "Pockets" Are Filled; the rest is of No Significance. They'd rather see the people In the "Welfare"(which is Cheap...for them)....than to Re-educate their Own people...and labour them their Full Right Salary!(in other words; Foreign labourers Are Cheaper..which bring in More Profit! Which has been going on here...for decades!) But I must add: Even Religion has a Hand here. If One is Not Christain or Catholic..One is surely Not able to get a job! And this I've heard coming from people that had parted from their religions. So, it Also Creates...a "Discriminating Factor"...alas. Thus, One Will Never Get A Job. Which I was Not Surprised of...ofcourse. So by those "Economists Egoists" ; They Are... Creating and Realizing that Their Own Country...is manifesting as an Over-Populated country.. which would not be able to support their Own Over- Population finacially..Sufficiently. With ALL that Follows. Creating an Unstable Social Society. They just seem to like to Throw Away..Old Shoes... Before Buying New Shoes! Edward. | ||
Larry_driscoll Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2003 |
Mark and Norm, Thanks for your input. I did go ahead and respond by email to the newspaper editorial article "Global Migration" and as well sent a copy of the response to FIGU. I focused on the Plejaran recommended population for Earth of 529 Million and gave a brief description of the Plejaran's and their relationship to Earth humans. Also I gave to the newspaper FIGU's Internet and E-mail address and mentioned two FIGU publications,"A Crusade Against Overpopulation" and "Interpretation of the 7-Year Cycle of Birthrate Check". larrydriscoll@msn.com Larry Driscoll | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Concerning Over-Population... I was thinking of how many of hunderds...if not...Thousands of people that are Wealthy...are Migrating to countries with much Sun! It seems very Logic...that people that are Wealthy...Can Enter Any country they wish...without any problems. If One was Poor...One would be "Kicked-Out"... without pardon! As here in Europe, One can move to Belgium or Germany or Spain...to buy a nice big house...for very less money...compared to the country the "Movee" is moving out of. Even some months ago...there was a documentary of Israeli/Jewish/Sionists...which had planned to buy as much Tropical Islands they could...to let their future Israeli/Jewish/Sionists offspring to live at/in...for generations to come...and Expland their ways of life...as one of the womanly speakers said. This ofcourse, would "Awaken"...the many island's inhabitains..of course..which would see this as Just Another "Colonization" from another groep of people "Taking" their Lands(islands) away. As you can see...that there seems to be people that have No Scruples..when they have Very Much Money...and of course...seem to want to buy Only what they feel fits their Own Needs. With-Out...Thinking of the Consequences! Even many Europeans...are migrating to the USA...and even Canada; mostly dairy farmers..so as to help out with the dairy..products, when One would think: "Why does these country's governments...not Stimulate.. and Motivate...their Own People in this branch!?" As some of us may Know...How Bad and How Many losts the US farmers had some decades ago; when all Big Companies had the Power...and made it Unbearable...for the small farmers..which resulted in Bank-Ruptions and Suicides..by those Poor Farmers. This is just Another Way....to Over-Populate...a country...alas. As One can notice...Money Can buy (almost)....everything. So...Conclusion: "You'd be Surprised...How Many Wealthy people Migrate and Over-Populate...another country! So...it is Not Always...The Poor that let this come into realization." Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 567 Registered: 02-2000 |
Studies Reveal Virtually All California's Population Explosion Due to Immigration; Native-Born Californians Leaving State "Virtually 100 percent of California's population explosion between 1990 and 2000 (and continuing through 2002) was the result of a massive inflow of immigrants and births to immigrants, not from internal growth, according to two separate studies commissioned by Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS), a non-profit group dedicated to stricter management of the state's population size," http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=107-06162003 | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 02-2000 |
NEW STUDY SHOWS FLAW OF USING IMMIGRATION TO HELP SOCIAL SECURITY "A new study by economist John Attarian, a Ph.D. in economics from the University of Michigan and a free-lance writer, takes the untruth [about Social Security] apart in a new monograph, 'Immigration: Wrong Answer for Social Security,' available from Americans for Immigration Control," says columnist Sam Francis. "The 'saving Social Security' myth is simply one more fairy tale invented by the advocates of mass immigration to lull the rest of the country to sleep." http://www.vdare.com/francis/naked_emperor.htm | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 02-2000 |
Ancient Madagascar Rainforests Being Burned To The Ground The Observer - UK 6-30-3 "A new government headed by President Marc Ravalomanana has raised hopes of better environmental care, but the fast-growing population of 17 million is in perpetual search for fuel and farmland." "The UN agency estimates that 300,000 people will need food aid later this year." http://www.rense.com/general38/ssbb.htm | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 02-2000 |
WASHINGTON POST EDITORS CALL FOR MORE POPULATION GROWTH "Birthrates for women in their peak reproductive years are down. Women are waiting longer before having children and are having fewer when they finally do," the Washington Post writes in an alarmist editorial about the fact that the U.S. would have a stable population without immigration. "If future generations are to carry on the American vibrancy and dynamism, the country must be prepared to embrace more babies, and more adults from around the world," the Post editors conclude. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13644-2003Jul5.html | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 02-2000 |
What's the Socialist view on Overpopulation? What's your answer to this problem? Its almost to late now! His Answer- "It's not a problem, it's a lame excuse the bourgeoisie came up with as to why they can't feed everyone and why 10s of millions die each year, simply because they're unwilling to sell food because they wouldn't make the margins they like. (-"Shh don't mention our margins!" -"ohhh there are too many people, yeah that's the reason!" -"yeah that's right") I think I read somewhere (in the bourgeois press) that we could sustain 67 billion people if we only had better planning involved, and that's with today's food production techniques. My answer would be to cease all means of production and put them under the control of the proletariat." Paul |
