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Anonymous
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 01:36 pm: | 
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Seeing as past prophets had attempted to assimilate the truth about the Spirit and Creation, and people had successively rejected it during and after their lifetime, how do we know that this will not happen again now? I remember reading on this forum somewhere that FIGU will continue to assimilate the spiritual teachings and the truth about Creation for 800 years, after which time the world will be free of religion. This is very encouraging. But how will this be possible if there should be a worldwide catastrophe such as the dreaded WW3? If this should occur it is likely that information will be lost or confused. My guess is that this is how it will be if WW3 does not occur, as I also recall reading that if WW3 does happen the world’s progress and evolution will be hindered for a further 2000 years.
Although we live in an age where the preservation of published information is more secure, how do we know that none of us here who claim to be “followers” will interpret the teachings falsely when Billy is no longer among us? What precautions are we taking from preventing this from happening, or is that not possible?
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Jeedi
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 07:16 pm: |
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Hi Anonymous,
How do we know that this will not happen again this time? The truth ALWAYS prevails, Religion and un-truth just a small speck in the material, compared to much, much, much.....greater Creation (Truth) spheres.
And this goes for "followers" of Billy. Which I am not. These are not Billy's teachings, nor do these teaching belong to the Pleiadians -- these are Universal teachings that the aliens and Billy are still teachers-students to. Creationally minded people tend to be leaders; basically there should be no followers.
If a WW3 catastrophy is allowed by ALL of us to happen; and things here go real, real, real...bad for planet Earth -- as usual in competition among people for their survival: truth will find fertile grownd and sprout, and grow, and prevail over that which is inferior. Only thing is, this WW3 world will will be like living in a real HELL. Maybe need a pitch fork, horns, pointy ears, and a dart tail to survive?
Best regards,
Anthony
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Mhurley
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 08:17 am: |
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Hi Anon,
I raised a similar question on the Steelmark forum. This was Mike Wheelan's reply
Hi Matt,
I wanted to share a personal story that will help to answer your question. Or at least it answers your question for me.
From my first involvement with FIGU in 1991 until just last year, I have completely worn myself out. Working feverishly on translations, working in various FIGU study groups and working until all hours of the night, I directed all of my thoughts towards FIGU work. Not until just last year did I discover that my actions were completely one sided and had no balance whatsoever. Part of the reason for this, not all, was that I was thinking that we didn’t have much time to complete the work. In retrospect, this was completely wrong.
This initial work that each one of us does in their own way is really only the very, very beginnings of what will latter become something much bigger. It is written somewhere in Billy’s text that this “mission” or “work” that we are dong will only take hold in the minds of the earth people in about 800 years or so. Also, in the OM, it states (I am paraphrasing) “that now is the time to prepare the ground for the seed” or in other words, this is the time to cultivate the soil so that the seed (or the teachings) will find fertile ground and something can take root and grow.
My mistake was that my vision or outlook was much too short. I had the perspective of this lifetime. Or in other words I thought, “I must get this work done before I die”. When, in actually, this work is only at the very beginnings and that I needed to expand my view to include multiple incarnations and that everything didn’t need to be done right this moment. It was a big change in my thinking and I grew a lot from the realization.
Anyway, through WW3 and the great hardships that will follow the teachings will endure, they will be preserved and find their rightful fertile ground in the decades and centuries to come.
All the best,
Hope this helps Anon.
Also, as you live in the UK Anon, I'd appreciate if you could email me on m.hurley@ntlworld.com.
It might be a good idea to meet up at some future point, along with others in the UK who are interested in the case.
Regards
Matt |
Jplagasse
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 07:47 pm: |
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Hi Anon...
I'll give a few (non-authoritive) thoughts from my perspective, as below.
>Seeing as past prophets had attempted to
>assimilate the truth about the Spirit and
>Creation, and people had successively rejected
>it during and after their lifetime, how do we
>know that this will not happen again now?
In the preceding thought, I'll take "rejected" as meaning "distortion" of the original teachings.
Each of us, as we experience or read ANYTHING, will "distort" the true meaning of this, each according to our own understandings, ways of thinking and backgrounds.
I think the important thing, is that we don't ever take "one person's" or any "one present thought/distortion" as being "the only way". We must ALWAYS allow that we will evolve further. In other words, (in my own "distorted" interpretation of "Meier's message") there are No Guru's, No Messiah's.
This "lack" of "absolute authority" over us, allows us to have our own points of view on things...
There is Only our Own Selves and our ever evolving "personal journeys" towards Creation and it's Truth, and/or towards That which was Originally Intended as written.
There are "other groups" presently, who have figured out (somehow) that one particular (twisted) interpretation of Meier's teachings are "truth". These are plentiful and easily found on the internet by doing web-searches on "Semjase" or "Ptaah" etc.
Some of us use the term "New Age" to describe at least some of these groups...
>I remember reading on this forum somewhere that
>FIGU will continue to assimilate the spiritual
>teachings and the truth about Creation for 800
>years, after which time the world will be free
>of religion. This is very encouraging.
It's interesting that the "800 year" figure, coincides with Nokodemjon's next planned incarnation, within this present "lineage". From what you say, this insinuates, that the next set of "planned teachings" and/or "situation" will be more influential (for some reason) on earth's mass population than "now".
>But how will this be possible if there should
>be a worldwide catastrophe such as the dreaded
>WW3? If this should occur it is likely that
>information will be lost or confused.
My understanding is, that the SSSC site in Switz, has been very carefully selected. Also, the "Core Group" & "information" structure, seems to have been carefully set up, to keep the "information accurate" over the next 800 years.
>My guess is that this is how it will be if WW3
>does not occur, as I also recall reading that if
>WW3 does happen the world’s progress and
>evolution will be hindered for a further 2000
>years.
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>Although we live in an age where the
>preservation of published information is more
>secure, how do we know that none of us here who
>claim to be “followers” will interpret the
>teachings falsely when Billy is no longer among
>us?
As mentioned above, there are no "followers" or "leaders" among those who understand the "Meier teachings".
What you speak of, will most likely happen. As is happening presently already within the different "internet groups" which exist presently.
Any way one looks at this... The "basic information" will be available for anybody to read and interpret for themselves, no matter what happens.
>What precautions are we taking from preventing
>this from happening, or is that not possible?
The "Core Group" & "information" structure is such, that anybody wishing to study the original information will be able to do so, in the same form as these exist now.
Now having said this... I'd be most fascinated to hear any further comments/thoughts/corrections from anybody, but especially from Christian or other Senior FIGU members on this !!! 
As always, just my own 2 cents on this, from my own "distorted" point of view.
Salome,
JP |
Anonymous
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 12:36 am: |
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Thanks Matthew for that. It's good to know the teachings will endure after the mess we've made of the world. I'd hate to think of another two thousand years of religious and political dictatorship. That might just end our reign on this planet if science continues to progress as fast as it has been the last one hundred years.
You know, I had never heard of the Steelmark site until you mentioned it. I see there are some FIGU regulars there, and Marc Juliano as one of the men behind the scenes. I assume it is a trusted site then in regards to Billy’s mission?
While there I read a few posts, including Mike Whelan's reply to Jeedi on fear. Having had a similar experience myself I thought his reply was wise and perceptive. The same goes for the one you re-posted above.
It helps, in the sense that it makes me feel more comfortable with myself emotionally, but I was rather hoping to receive some background information as to what is being done to prevent events of the past from recurring.
Thanks for the invite, anyhow. I'm all for meeting up. It should be interesting. I'll email you as soon as I can, probably over the weekend.
I've seen you're site, by the way. Very impressive. And I love the book.
Jplaglasse, I understand what you're telling me, and I agree entirely. Don't you think, however, that people generally have a tendency to follow, which no doubt they do unconsciously, without thinking, because they agree with, or feel an attraction towards, someone? I see this everywhere I go. Without knowing it people repeat things that other people do because they pick it up psychologically, whether it is a phrase or a gesture. I even see it here, dare I say. This is ultimately my concern.
I take it that SSSC is the German translation for FIGU? I too have considered the possibility that the site on which it stands had been carefully selected in order to survive WW3. This is certainly necessary if the mission is to continue for the next 800 years. If this is true, then this to a degree answers my question.
Regards
JEC
Hi Jec,
SSSC=Semjase Silver Star Center
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David_chance
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 02:21 pm: |
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Hi Anonymous,
You wrote: "Without knowing it people repeat things that other people do because they pick it up psychologically, whether it is a phrase or a gesture." I think part of that might just be natural and not necessarily detrimental or "herd-like" behavior. As an example, in the Contact Notes it's mentioned about how Billy's style of writing was starting to be "copied" by other members of FIGU unconsciously. I find myself picking up phrases or gestures or patterns of others and incorporating them into my own life as well. A kind of Woody Allen "Zelig" thing, if you will. Perhaps its just an example of our inter-connectedness as human beings. |
Jeedi
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 09:14 pm: |
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Hi David,
Yeah, really cool observation you guys made about the repeating thing between a collective. I just loved the "consideration" brief era started by Scott W. with his Figu magazine anouncement. I know I used the word "consideration" in a post after that, and noticed other people doing it.
Maybe at a subconscious level, and deeper, each individual mind is linked together with a greater "common knowing" of inter-connectedness; perhaps it is only the unexperienced conscious mind that feels alone?
Best regards,
Anthony |
Jplagasse
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Post Number: 303
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 03:04 am: |
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>Don't you think, however, that people generally
>have a tendency to follow, which no doubt they
>do unconsciously, without thinking, because they
>agree with, or feel an attraction towards,
>someone? I see this everywhere I go.
I agree !!
There are several industries based on this... I figure between us, we could generate quite a list.
It becomes difficult to "follow" however, when nobody seems to be "leading" !!
One of the many things I find fascinating about the entire "Meier sitation" and the people involved.
Many tidbits on this... among these, some "basic stuff": I find it interesting, that some of the "proof" given Meier at first looks absolutely rediculous, until one carefully thinks this out. (Semjase's Beamship bobbing round & round the tree for example...)
The Proof but no proof (Plausible Deniability) situation and "extent" of the "Meier situation" tends to repel a LOT of people.
There seems to be a sprinkling of similar/parallel "stuff" throughout the Meier information in this regard.
Still trying to figure this all out, but the entire situation was/is VERY masterfully done any way one looks at this.
Within the "Meier Group"... at least on this forum, those who might be (erroneously) considered by some as "leaders" are amazingly quiet... despite many forms of "bait" some of us occasionally try using, to "lure them out" !!
I figure there's something, to this also.
>Without knowing it people repeat things that
>other people do because they pick it up
>psychologically, whether it is a phrase or a
>gesture. I even see it here, dare I say. This is
>ultimately my concern.
I have seen this also, although at times a "good concept" is useful to many.
There are several people who frequent the "Meier Friendly Forums", who are highly sensitive to this type of thing. They (at times) act as "watchdogs", & spare no effort in pointing out to the group(s) any cult-like or similar behavior. Some participants view these people as "FIGU bashers" or "Detractors" etc.
I find their contributions quite useful in this way at times... and consider these types of people as part of the overall community. (for whatever my partially developed thoughts are worth on this)
Still, we should ALL consider what you are saying here, Perhaps also part of our present "social/human conditioning" we need to evolve past.
It seems constant vigilance, both individually and as a group, is required.
I also think it totally valuable, to develop concepts & our own ways of thinking on all this. Discussing this (& other similar topics) openly is essential, especially considering our present tendencies in this regard.
Still trying to figure this all out, any and all further thoughts (& points of view) on this are most welcome !!
JP |
Jplagasse
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Post Number: 304
Registered: 09-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 03:36 am: |
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>I take it that SSSC is the German translation
>for FIGU? I too have considered the possibility
>that the site on which it stands had been
>carefully selected in order to survive WW3. This
>is certainly necessary if the mission is to
>continue for the next 800 years. If this is
>true, then this to a degree answers my question.
I figure that 800 years is a long time (at least to us!!) and that we'll probably have several incarnations in this time.
There are predictions (etc.) made by Meier and others (Cayce for example), speaking of some pretty extensive earth changes. Not good...
Makes me wonder, even if SSSC survives intact etc., whether in my future incarnations, the SSSC etc. center(s) will be accessible from wherever I'm living. Also of concern here is the availability and/or accessibility of the "Original Meier info".
Perhaps it would be good, to establish "centers" around the globe, EACH with libraries containing ALL the "Original Meier info" & "support literature" (Stevens, Deardorff etc.) as well???
Just a thought...
JP |
Anonymous
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 04:09 am: |
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Hello David
I think you’re right to say that it is natural to pick up behavioural patterns from others. Everybody does it to a certain point, and those of us who do it less should not look upon it as being detrimental. It is not detrimental but rather it is essential to our survival, though whether we choose to survive negatively or positively is another matter, and one that depends on our potential to reason and to think more profoundly and clearly. I am of course speaking of the herd-like behaviour that humans have consistently been seen to adopt throughout the history of their existence. I don’t consider the less obvious signs of mimicry, such as the mimicking of phrases and gestures, as distinct from the more obvious ones, in the sense that the less obvious signs have more to do with interconnectedness than they do with an inherent potential to mimic. Interconnectedness allows us merely to relate to each other as human beings and know that we originate from the same source. It does not cause us to imitate others. That is something we do as a result of the influence coming from our immediate environment. There is nothing wrong with this. It is a natural law of Creation. Therefore, there need be no stigma attached to our tendency to “follow” others. It is only ever wrong when we are forced to follow, and we are not always forced to follow. Like every other living animal species on this planet, we instinctually move in herds, often without thinking anything about it. But when we do think about it, and when we react against it, that is a sign of our developing consciousness that is causing us to become more civilized and less primitive.
Salome
JEC |
Jay
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Post Number: 252
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:09 am: |
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JP,
I think the specifications for the choice of location of Switzerland has been picked in this manner because Plejarens have already known in advance the "PHYSICAL" earth changes which will occur in that particular area were neutrally safe for the center to survive.
Meier's forced reincarnations will then take effect in the ungoing manner throughout.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Jeedi
Member
Post Number: 45
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 01:59 pm: |
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Hi JP,
When I think of followers, I think of people dependent on someone else's direction, comments, presence...to have a life. People who are "original" or derive their life's path independent from the herd, usually are the leaders.
The people on this sad planet, unfortuately are herded by religious, political, financial, military, etc., "leaders" who are elected by keeping people low. Oftentimes, Joe Smow citizen is too overburdened to find himself and independence; and when you factor in the mass media programing, you wonder how people are ever going to be on their own.
However, Creation we see it in nature; for example herds of Elk appear to have a natural pecking order within their collective. The older bucks are always challenged by the younger ones. A better evolved male will hold on to his "title" flock of females by standing charging matches with aspiring young progentors. In this example the only control Elk leader has over his followers is in his ability to win at natural selection among the collective males. So it seems Creation never gives up looking for leaders; whereas people under religion, and other enslavements, do.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Mhurley
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 02, 2004 - 03:09 am: |
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FAO Scott the moderator
Hi Scott,
I've noticed a few times now that when a question for Billy appears on the page of the exisiting questions that have been answered, it doesn't get carried through to the next round and thus remains unanswered...
Hope you can rectify this
Thanks
Matt
Hi Matt,
Thanks for your input, I know what the problem is and I'm working to correct it. It should be cleared up before the next round of questions is submitted to Billy. Scott |
David_chance
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 01:43 pm: |
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I think it is Contact 39 where it is discussed how gemstones on Earth have absorbed negative energies which can cause harm to one who wears them. There it is also mentioned about a process to cleanse them. Can anyone elaborate how this is done? I ask for the sake of my fiance and her engagement ring. I would gladly appreciate information off-list as well: chancede@slu.edu
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Jay
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Post Number: 306
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 04:54 pm: |
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David,
There is not enough Science and information for cleansing the stones from all my readings on the Cleansing of stones, no specific information in detail has been given for a process of properly eliminating the bad energy but this can be done according to the notes information. Maybe there is more on this in German version of information for cleansing stones. Good luck on the search.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Scott
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Post Number: 517
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 09:00 pm: |
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Hello David,Jay,
If I have my information correct, gemstones can be neutralized by placing them inside one of the meditation pyramids provided by FIGU.
The pyramid I'm referring to is the small home peace meditation pyramid, but not the newest 2" pyramid.
If a stone is placed inside the pyramid at a distance of one third the total height, measured from the base to the apex for a period of 72 hours this should suffice. Also one of the corners of the pyramid should be facing magnetic north. Im sure there is a limit as to the size of the stone, but I can't remember what it is.
Maybe someone else has additional information to provide in this regard.
Salome
Scott |
Jay
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Post Number: 308
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 17, 2004 - 10:09 pm: |
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Scott,
Thank you, now that there refreshes my mind a bit more. This is correct, the pyramid treatment. Thanks again
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Hunter
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 09:26 am: |
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David,
I'm not sure if these plates will be sufficient for clearing gemstones, but they can purify water. Their appearance is very simple, but they are able to harness a small amount of spiritual energy. To read the details go to http://www.purpleplates.com
Namaste,
Hunter |
Lonnie
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 02:24 pm: |
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Hi Scott,
Are you sure about the length of time being only 72 hours for cleansing with the pyramid?
When I was at the Center last week, Jacob and I were talking about this very thing. From what Jacob told me, the cleansing time under the pyramid is 3 weeks, unless I misunderstood.
Jacob, would you please reaffirm this for us?
Salome,
Lonnie |
Scott
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Post Number: 519
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 07:44 pm: |
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Hi Lonnie,
As far as I remember the "cleansing" time was about 72 hours or 3 days. I received this information from Andrew Cossette. This was a number of years ago, so I could easily be wrong.
Salome
Scott |
Markc
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 12:10 pm: |
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Hi Lonnie ;
It's 3 days .I was there with you in the same conversation . The three weeks needed was to clean your laundry after camping .
Salome , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Lonnie
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 08:21 pm: |
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Mark,
You were not there with Jacob and myself during this conversation. Jacob and I were both in our room at the Freihof when he told me that a gemstone/crystal, to be worn on the Solar Plexas, (including the chain) must be cleansed in the pyramid for a period of 3 WEEKS.
I don't always believe and act upon everything I hear at first because I learned long ago not to be impulsive. So I asked Jacob again if this is true and he said it takes 3 WEEKS.
BTW, It's enjoyable and practical camping on the Center grounds and my laundry was cleaned the same day I got home.
Salome,
Lonnie |
Jay
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Post Number: 309
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 08:53 am: |
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Hi Lonnie,
I have a Silver Chain with an OM Medallion, I wear it around my neck almost all the time and Jacob told me that I need to cleanse it for 72 hours. So I guess when I order the Midsize Pyramid, I will put the chain and OM medallion through the process. I hope you and Mark figured out the problem with the time periods. Hope this helps for you guys
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Markc
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Post Number: 156
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:33 am: |
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Hi Jay ;
Thanks .You still can't order the midsize pyramid . Only the new smallest ones .Sorry .
Lonnie ;
None offence intended , none taken .
Take it easy
Mark
Mark Campbell
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Jay
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Post Number: 310
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 02:13 pm: |
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Hi Markc,
The Midsize will not be made for a while or they are ONLY going to be made from now in Small size??. It does not matter I rather prefer the Midsize but if that is not possible is OK either way. Thanks again
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Markc
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 12:58 am: |
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Hi Jay ;
. I don't really know if the midsize ones will not be made ; but what I meant was , that they won't send the midsize or large pyramids through the mail because they are too easily damaged in shipping . The small ones come in a snug wooden box . I think you'll like the small one .It works the same as the other ones , but only for up to two people .
Salome , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Jay
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Post Number: 313
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 11:06 am: |
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Markc,
Thanks for the clarification, I will then purchase one of the small ones instead.
Thanks again
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Markc
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 03:27 pm: |
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Your'e welcome , username :Jay .
Markcampbell
Mark Campbell
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Claes
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 07:12 am: |
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Jay,
the small pyramide is perhaps too small to clean any objects as the base sides are only 30-40 mm long.
Salome,
Claes
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Kaare
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 01:49 pm: |
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Hi all,
In the new issue of NEXUS magazine, there is a seven page article containing prophecies from the Billy Meier Contacts. In the contents page it is listed as follows:
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PROPHECIES FROM THE MEIER CONTACTS……….page 55
By Michael Horn, and with contactee Billy Meier in discussion with Quetzal, the
Plejaren, on the Henoch Prophecies. So many Plejaren predictions have come true that we’d be wise to heed their warning of annihilation and learn to live together
Unquote
And the editor makes further comments about this article on his editorial page.
Looking at the magazine cover it is marked AUGUST-SEPTEMBER 2004
Volume 11, number 5. And prices are listed for sale in Australia, NZ, USA, UK and EU
And it may well be sold in other countries outside of these if there are foreign language magazine importers that takes it inn.
It went for sale at newsagents here in Australia on July 31st . As it is an Australian publication, factor inn some shipping time before it becomes available in other countries.
Regards
Kaare |
Ritak
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 05-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 09:22 am: |
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Wow!!! That's great news, Kaare! Thanks for letting us know.
Regards,
Rita K. |
Mhurley
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:42 am: |
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Hi All,
One of my little niggles with the Plejaran info. is that they say the Apollo 11 moon landing was hoaxed. Personally I'd need a lot of convincing to accept this. According to Christian F, the following contacts comment on this conspiracy :Contacts #203, 214, 230, 296, 298.
I was wandering if anyone out there could post a summary of what the ETs have to say in these contacts regarding Apollo 11.
Thanks
Matt |
Harry_d
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 03:30 pm: |
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Hi Kaare et all,
Regarding to Kaare's posting on the article in Nexus magazine one can read the article at
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Henoch%20Prophecies.html
Buying the magazine supports the publicer for the effort though .
Regards
Harry |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:39 pm: |
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In “My Spirit” prayer there is a sentence that reads: “So that I may become cognizant of my guilt and become cognizant of the truth.”
I can’t say that I agree with the word ‘guilt’, since it is almost on a par with the word ‘sin’. Haven’t we had enough of this, of being made to feel guilty? Of course, I understand that we may commit ourselves to certain acts of which we are guilty, such as acts of crime. But this is a prayer intended originally for the people, and it can’t be said that the people are all criminals that they should feel guilty about their actions which are contrary to the natural laws of Creation. Often we have used the word ‘mistake’ on this forum to denote the errors we make in our thinking and actions. This word for me is far more positive in putting across our faults and taking responsibility for them. I would admit quite willingly to making mistakes. But I would never admit to being guilty of making them, as that is too condemning for someone who wouldn’t deliberately act contrary to what is right and good.
This is the first time I have come upon this word in the FIGU material, and I have to say I thought we were above this austere attitude towards each other, and more understanding and appreciative of our current spiritual evolution. I certainly wouldn’t let the word ‘guilt’ flow from my lips against myself. Were I to recite it often enough I feel sure it would have a negative affect on my psyche. Personally I would rather say: “So that I may become cognizant of my mistakes…” I think this is more accurate and equally effective.
The spirit prayer I read was translated by Heidi Peters, and then corrected by Christian Frehner earlier this year. So I imagine many of us have already recited it aloud a number of times. I do wonder, however, if the German version, which reads: “So ich erkenne meine Schuld, und ich erkenne die Wahrheit” (I guess ‘Schuld’ is the word I need), has the same meaning, with the same effect? Really the word ‘guilt’ has a lot of negative influence surrounding it. German-speaking people may not sense this because they are not necessarily sensitive to the vibrational energy of the English language as English-speaking people are, of whom I am certain there are many that do sense it (it isn’t just the German language that reaches out into the ether). For this reason I wonder if all the translators of the FIGU material are native to the German language. If they are it might explain why texts like the TJ is always being re-translated. |
Savio
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Post Number: 494
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Hi Joseph
I would agree that "translation" is never an easy task.
In the 2001 version TJ, page 39 it goes like this:
"16/ ......that I may recognize my wrongdoings and the truth."
Hope this helps
Regards
Savio |
Mhurley
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Post Number: 61
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| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 12:58 pm: |
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Hi Joseph,
There are several references to the word guilt in the TJ in the chapter on suicide.
regards
Matt |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 12:29 pm: |
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Does anyone know what this ancient peace symbol means? Why does it represent peace? The "Y" symbol in the very centre is a popular symbol of peace. How did this originate? What does it mean? And what do the other parts of the symbol mean - the feathers at the top and the eyes on the side. It looks very much like an aztec drawing. Also does anyone know what the words say?
Thanks very much
Joseph |
Memo00
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 07:45 am: |
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hi
its supposed that the peace symbol was created by Nokodemjon millions of years ago
the "Y" in the center represents the tree of life
below the "tree" you can the the energy of life flowing from the earth
above the tree you can see a "flower" blooming
about
the things to the left and to the right, im not 100% sure but i think that they are seeds falling from the tree, returning to the earth and creating new life (which makes sense if we take in count that the tree is flourishing)
below the symbol it is written "peace" in different languages
above in german:
"and be peace on Earth"
or something like that . . .
its supposed that the symbol like it was used during the 60´s represents "death" (instead of the flow of the creational energy from below (the earth) to above (the sky), the energy is returning to the earth like when you die and your body descomposes)
in the FIGU special bulletin 11, there´s more info (i read it in the spanish section of the website, i think it has not yet been translated into english)
there are many interesting things about, Nero, and Peter´s crucifixion
(for example Peter was crucified with his head pointing to the earth, which would symbolize the death of the christian sect and the return of peace, and maybe from that moment the symbol of "death" was confused with the true symbol of Peace) |
Mhurley
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 12:17 am: |
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Hi All,
I understand that the Plejarens tried contacts with other humans(s) prior to Billy but they didn't work out.
I can't help wondering IF they did work out would the ETs have still met Billy? Would we have had several Plejaren contactees at the same time? What spirit level were these other humans from?
Were they english speaking or were they foreign?
Matt |
Memo00
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 07:48 pm: |
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hi matt
1- i think that even if the other contacts would have worked
Billy would still be the prophet of this time
Billy´s spirit can choose when to reincarnate
it is the way it was supposed to be since the beginning of the mission (and two thousands of years ago Jmmanuel talked about him and there exists too the ancient document in which the name of Billy is written)
(remember too that "Billy" is a nickname,
a nickname given to him by a woman for the way he dressed
since the way we dress is among other things a reflection of a our personality, the culture in which we live, etc
if "Billy" would had reincarnated in other time
we would have been a different person
with different personality, in a diferent world . . . etc)
2- in fact there have been many contact persons at the same time, it has been said that there existed other persons who were in contact with ETs but they all have died
3-i think that plejarans have been clear about the kind of persons they contact, they must be honest(100% trustworthy), brave(cause they are going to be hated, ridiculed etc), very intelligent and skilled in many things (like telpathy), advanced spiritually (which obviously means that they have a spirit of ET/Lyran origin), and must study all fields of knowledge for decades before they are chosen
if not they erase their memory after they finish the work they are chosen for
4- i think that the probability of an english speaking contact person is very low, plejarans have said many times that it will pass many time before even one person from the US can contact them cause they always distort the truth, and obviously beacause the US goverment is the most dangerous in this planet and will do anything to obtain ET spaceships,etc
the only real american contactee i know of, is Dan Fry but its supposed that the story in his book was distorted
well. . .
(in the book And still they fly, theres one letter sent to Billy by a german globetrotter
who was chosen for being a contact person by ETs from Proxima Centauri, but he refused)
since he was a globetrotter he spoke english and spanish too |
Markc
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Post Number: 171
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You know , Matt , I'm beginning to think that the other 5 contactees were his previous incarnations that were involved in this mission . Nothing was said about when these people lived , was there ?
Regards , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Memo00
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 08:31 pm: |
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hi to all
i hope you are doing fine
while searching in the forum´s old posts i found this list of true contactees (some from the US)posted by Scott
there are some nice surprises like Albert Einstein and Juri Gagarin
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Here is a list of the contactees mentioned in the contact notes during the 38th contact.
Dr. H.C. Daniel Fry
Professor Joao Freitas de Guimares
Victor Schauberger
Gustav Meyrich
Ray Stanford
Mario Bertossi
Albert Einstein
Albert Schweizer
Charles Hickson
Calvin Parker
Betty & Barney Hill
Josefina Burkman
Juri Gagarin
Dr. James D. McDonald
Rudolf Steiner
Alois Rickenbach
Horst Raps
Charles A. Maney
Wilbert B. Smith
Im sure these contactees are fairly well known by now, but if not these were listed during a contact that Billy had with Semjase on Thursday November 13, 1975 at 0936 a.m.
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Mhurley
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 05:57 am: |
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Question for Jacob,
Hi Jacob,
I see the FIGU has recently released a book of symbols and their meanings. I have some questions relating to this:
1. Who originally created these symbols?
2. Are they universally known? If they were shown to some ET race in the corner of the universe would they know what they meant?
Thanks
Matt |
Mhurley
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 11:52 am: |
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Hi Memo,
Some (or many) on this list were not face to face contactees however. I think the remainder received telepathic impulses which were either conscious or unconscious
Matt |
Eric_drouin
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 08:30 pm: |
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A question to the board:
There was an article released last year on the Figu german website, on the origin of the celebration of Christmas. The file though was a .pdf, which i could not run into a translator
Anyone has a translated version of it?
Or anyone read the german version?
Salome
Eric |
Mhurley
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 24, 2004 - 12:40 am: |
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Hi, some more questions for Jacob:-)
1. If the Absolute Absolutum created Creation, what created the absolute absolutum? Could there be a secret to this that even Creation doesn't know?
2. Do all planets with lifeforms on have a prophet on them like Billy from the realm of Arahat Athersata? If so, are there enough spiritforms from the realm of AA to go round:-) I assume new planets and lifeforms are continually created; if this is at a greater rate then spiritforms joining the realm of Arahat Athersata then could this result in a "shortage" of advanced spiritforms to act as prophets on all the planets in the universe?
Thanks
Matt |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 12, 2004 - 08:31 am: |
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Hi Memo00,
Thanks for the authentic contactee list. There is another possible contactee who was allegedly contacted by Zeta ETs from Reticulum in 1978 after the list you posted was given in contact note (CN) 38. His name is William J. Herrmann and the subject of Wendelle Stevens' book UFO...Contact From Reticulum. Printed in the book are Semjase's CN 37 (pp 246-254) mentioning the Zetas cotacting the Hills. These look like the same Zetas as those in contact with Herrmann. He was only allegedly in contact for a short while, took a about a dozen photos, did some automatic alien handwriting that he cannot read himself, (as well as some technical English automatic writing) and was left by the Zetas when they said they had to go to Andromeda to meet with the High Council there, it seemed to do with their work on the earth. I don't know if Semjase has since confirmed this -- it was three years after she gave her list in CN 38 to Billy in Nov. 1975.
Does anyone know of any confirmation on this American William J. Herrmann's contacts in 1978? |
Timelord
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 03:35 am: |
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Can someone perhaps tell me what one has to do for receiving the
"Lehrbriefe"?
On page 32 of the FIGU-PREISLISTE it is mentioned that one has
to pay 30 CHF .- for the "Anmeldung". Also one has to pay
40 CHF.- for each single "Heft" (writing). And apparently one also has
to pay 30 CHF.- for Passiv-Mitgliedschaft and also the Wassermannzeit
subsciption. Are these the thngs to pay for when one wants to
study the "Lehrbriefe"? |
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