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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 470
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 11:33 pm: | 
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Hello,
Comet Toutatis is scheduled to come pretty close to earth the later part of Sept this year.
This link shows just how close:
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=4179
Salome
Scott |
Marc
Moderator
Post Number: 175
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 12:01 am: |
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Hi Scott,
In the calculated tables linked to that site you mentioned, they're putting Toutatis at about 0.0103 AU or 957,444 miles from Earth at its closest point (4 lunar distances). It seems way too far to pose any considerable threat, provided, of course, that this information is indeed accurate and the Moon doesn't pull it any closer.
Salome,
Marc |
Mhurley
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 12:51 am: |
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Is this object calculated to come closer then any other comet or meteor has up to now?
Matt |
Marc
Moderator
Post Number: 176
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 10:20 am: |
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Hi Matt,
I don't know about "up to now", but it is going to be the closest one until about 2060. In Michael's DVD, I made an animation showing Toutatis plunging toward Earth (of course, as a hypothetical only!). But I used real 3-D NASA data to create it, so you can at least get an idea what it looks like up close and personal.
Marc |
Truthseeker
Member
Post Number: 73
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 01:57 pm: |
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Greetings,
If my own speculations are correct, Toutatis the red meteor will hit in the area of Chernobyl in the Ukraine, probably in the first week of October.
-Truthseeker |
Anonymous
Member
Post Number: 57
Registered: 09-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 03:04 pm: |
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Jacob
Didn’t the ancestors of the Plejarens bring religion to the Earth by declaring themselves as gods, and angels of gods, in ancient days? I do wonder if we would have religion in the world today had it not been for these space travellers. It is all very well excusing Billy, his spirit form, and the Plejarens, but their interference hasn’t really helped, has it? For all their advancement it seems that they are as fallible as the rest of us talking monkeys. Of course Billy is not to blame for any false interpretations of the truthful teachings that he is assimilating. And neither was Jmmanuel nor Mohammed to blame for the falsification of their teachings; nor were the prophets to blame before them. But then the damage has, and had, already been done. Religion is, and was, already among us. I dare say it was originally imposed upon us by a barbaric and vengeful god who would not have us acknowledge any other god. By the time the prophets came with the truthful teachings, we were far too brainwashed to think and reason according to logic. Their appearance in the world, therefore, only helped to create new religions, since this was now our way. The Plejarens and Billy may blame us as much as they like for coming to embrace false teachings that initially we had no choice but to embrace (I don’t believe that we accepted it willingly), and that afterwards we embraced because we were raised believing in them. But it was ultimately down to their ancestors. They did not have to come here and tamper with human life. They chose to on their own accord. From this it seems originated the mess we have today.
Clearly wisdom does not make one less naïve. To quote the Kybalion: “When the ears of the student are ready to hear, then come the lips to fill them with Wisdom." A wise man who attempts to teach fools his wisdom is a fool himself. But since this is the mess of so-called wise men, or king of wisdoms, (at any rate, advanced and intelligent beings) making fools of themselves is the least they can do.
Hello JEC,
I decided to move this post from "The Creation Itself" to this location. Thanks-Moderator |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 08:32 pm: |
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Hi:
Please find the latest article from R. Hoagland on the movie "The Day after Tomorrow"
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004/Interplanetary_1.htm
Interesting to note that Hoagland notices changes throughout the solar system, but doesn`t make the (direct)connection between this and declining solar activity. (ref. contact notes 251)
Any comments?
Peace
Eric
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Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 49
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 11:29 am: |
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hello jacob
i agree, the plejarans are'nt perfect, that's obvious.
why do you blame the people of the past for your choices of today?
nobody forced nothing on you. FREEWILL. That is something we all have, even prisoners (although a prisoners would be restricted somewhat).
sure, the "gods" brought religeon...
and the humans of earth in the now brought Comment Deleted and misery on a grand scale. Is it the plejarans fault that they are evolving just like anybody else?
misplaced anger is a gun held by the barrel.
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Phaethonsfire
Moderator
Post Number: 224
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 05:55 pm: |
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Peter,
I am a little puzzled why you say that I blame the people of the past, I can't remember saying that.
My thoughts are that only a few people in this world have a true free will.
True free will is founded in the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments of Creation, the true freedom of choice, in the Laws of Creation is endless, and this is proven by what people can do.
Following the Laws of Creation provides true freedom.
When children are born into a world, which is build, by their fathers and mothers and their ancestors, they inherit what is left behind by past generations, in good and in bad.
Now I am asking you this:
How many people are born in poverty in a poor African nation, as the 8th or 9th kid in a big family, how much choice does such a kid have, how much true free will such a kid have?
How many people are born in strict cult-religious families, either Christian, Jewish or Islamic and are totally programmed by their parents, church, musk, synagogue, and are totally robbed of common sense and are unable to see the truth? How much choice do they have?
They have only the choices allowed by their cult-religion.
How many people are born in material riches and wealth, and never care about anything else then getting more riches and wealth?
How many people have to work from Monday-Friday to earn their living, and mostly they earn just a paycheck to pay the bills, being unable to do something extra for themselves. How much choice do they have?
How many women are forced into sexslavery, prostitution, and submission? Do they have a choice and free will?
There is force everyday, by circumstances, other people, society and upbringing.
Only a very few people on this Earth are able to liberate themselves from false teachings, materialism, etc and gain a relative big freedom.
I think we are a few of those lucky ones, I do feel very lucky.
Because I feel one of those lucky ones, I see it as my obligation and duty out of free will to help spreading the Truth of Creation, since in the Truth of Creation, free will and Freedom are found.
The only true freedom people will ever have on this planet is when the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments have their natural right in government and society.
As long as leaders who don’t follow the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments govern the Earth human population, there will never be true freedom.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 08:28 pm: |
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i was talking to anonymous if that clears something up, but i'll answer your questions anyway.
Now we're talking about true freedom?
i'm talking about freewill, the desire to do what you choose.
i guess you feel a little more restricted than me and i guess that's cool because you got to feel what is true within.
as for your barrage of questions...
the simple answer is that just because they are restricted economically or socialy etc does not mean they dont have free will.
the first question...
i dont know how many people are born in poverty, maybe you can ask the plejarans.
i was born into a strict religeous family and i got out of it just fine. And honestly, everywhere i turn i see people turning away religeon.
i worked 9 to 5 for very little money. so i'll tell you how much choice i had... lots.
women forced into slavery got a choice, turn to somebody for help, and if you are a basically full fledged slave than why not do the right thing and fight for your personal safety, and injure or kill your abusers. it may seem extreme but everybody has the righ t to live life in peace or safety.
i dont believe it's luck, i believe it's the course of evolution.
nobodies against you teaching the not knowing, do what you feel, excersise that freewill.
the situations in life that we are facing are there because there must be a chance for us to error, to evolve. if things were all daisies and rainbows, then we would'nt be learning or perfecting as efficiently as was intended by creation. |
Savio
Member
Post Number: 478
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 02:55 am: |
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Hi Jakobjn
I echo your logic and observation regarding the limited free will of human.
In one occasion, in respond to one religous saying "those who do not believe in Jesus will end up in hell", I put up the same statement as yours, that most people are shaped by their environment, in fact, they do not have much choice, hence they should not be responsible and end up in hell.
The logic is really simple and straight forward, people will not be misled if they just use their common sense.
Yes, I agree we are really lucky, for that I am grateful 
Salome
Savio
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Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 51
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 12:28 pm: |
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just to clear things up, jacob...
since your name was at the top of anonymous's post, i thought it was that persons name. thus the confusion between me and you.
dont get it twisted though, i stand behind everything i have said. |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 04:56 pm: |
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Jakobjn,
I have to agree with Peter on this one. The people that are "forced" into a life they didn't ask for could exercise free will and escape that life. Now, the result may be great physical harm or even their death when they try to do so, but they do have the free will and the freedom to make the choice. If enough people stand up for their rights and are willing to make sacrifices, positive change has a greater chance to occur.
How can we ever get to a state where "the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments have their natural right in government and society" if we do not exercise our free will to stand against the tyranny and deception in government or against those who would wrong us in our everyday lives? How can the most spiritual among us ever assume positions of authority if they do not exercise their free will to challenge authority?
An example I would like to bring up is Gandhi. He did not hold elected office, was not a high ranking member of the military, and was a physically small man, but through his leadership, focused only on non-violent resistance, India eventually gained its independence. I'm not saying there weren't other factors, but without Gandhi's free will decision to "fight the power", how much longer would it have taken India to gain its independence? Would India have ever gained its independence without this man's courage and sacrifice?
Like, Peter, I was raised in a pretty strict religious family. But I innately KNEW long before I heard of Billy Meier and the Plejarens that the religion I was taught had to be false. And I just deduced this through logical thought--as many other members of this forum did. But everyone hasn't learned the necessary lessons yet.
In the end, it's all a chance to learn. There are some very hard lessons ahead (WW3 for one) which I would rather not have to experience. But until enough of us have evolved to a point when we can be an "army" of Creation-teaching and even braver Gandhis, we will never have true freedom on Earth.
Namaste,
Hunter
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Larry_driscoll
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 07:39 pm: |
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Phaethonsfire,
The Creative Laws and Guidelines should be specified, or enuerated, i.e. stated in a sentence-like description.
Each law/guideline then can be referenced and discussed by interested individuals.
When I approached FIGU and asked what are these Creative Laws and Guidelines?, I was told that they are to be found in nature.
It is not useful to reference them in a general sense as Creative Laws and Guidelines. They must be individualized, enumerated and described and recorded, then all can benefit from the newly concentrated and focused knowledge.
So my question is: What are, and how many are, the Creative Rules and Guidelines and how is each defined in words after which a record will be made of the result so that all interested in the present and in the future can reference to this compilation of information and then we have moved from general statements about "Creation Laws and Guidelines" to specific enumeration and description. These Creative Rules and Guidelines have to be specified and described in a detailed manner for them to be of help to evolving human beings.
Sincerely,
Larry Driscoll
14655 Maple Trail SE
Prior Lake, MN 55372
USA
email larrydriscoll@msn.com
Larry Driscoll
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Phaethonsfire
Moderator
Post Number: 228
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 03:28 am: |
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Hello Hunter,
I was talking about the bulk of people in this world who are poor, down to very poor, neither you, myself or Peter are in that category. We are rich compared to them.
The examples that I mentioned in my previous post about this topic are people who have little to no access to information, let it be electronic, mail, TV, Radio or news paper, most of the reasons are because they are poor or live in a dictatorship.
The freedom of choice is based on at two things: Internal freedom at first, external freedom.
Inner freedom is gained by knowledge of the facts and liberty from irreal opinions, believes, preconceptions.
External freedom is when you are able to go anywhere you want to go, to learn and obtain anything you want, to express yourself.
In 2001, I was in Zambia and Zimbabwe because of a Solar Eclipse, because one of my hobbies is Astronomy. I went with a group. When we where in Lusaka, Zambia, we visited a local village and we went to see how people lived.
There was a man with 5 wives and about 40 kids (that is no type error), and his wives where given birth control pills by the local authorities, because the man refused to wear a condom (it was against his manhood / false ego), do you know what they did with those birthcontrol pills?
Because the women totally missunderstood their purpose and that they where totally ignorant about their proper use, they planted those pills in the ground!
They thought in their false believes and ignorance that planting those pills would make them less fertile and not get pregnant almost everytime.
That appears to be funny, but is in fact sad, those women didnt have a real choice, eventhough they had it in their hands.
Ignorance robs people of freedom and therefore from choice.
You, I, peter and everybody else who reads the posts on this forum have either a computer or access to one, so everybody here has access to information and knowledge, but keep in mind that this is more of a privilege then a common good.
The bulk of all human beings on this planet are poor and uneducated, and dont have computers, a good education or newspaper, they mostly care about surviving another day.
I disagree about the lessons ahead, about WW3, its a prophecy, not a certainty, what you think of the most, that will happen, therefore you should think of what you want, not what you dont want to happen.
The whole of life is a path filled of small and big lessons in good and in bad, not in bad only, people tend to focus only on the bad things in life.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Phaethonsfire
Moderator
Post Number: 231
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 11:18 am: |
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Hello Larry,
Many of the FIGU books and writings contain clear explanations and descriptions of the Natural Creative Laws and Commandsments.
Like the books: OM, Law of Love, Dekalogue, Arahat Athersata, Talmud Jmmanuel, Genesis, etc, etc.
The fact that the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments aren't listed in listing is because of the following reasons.
1. The Natural Creative Laws and Commandments in the writings and books of FIGU are a excellent basis and basic knowledge for people to follow their evolution, those Natural Creative Laws and Commandments need to be understood and explained in their natural context, everything in Nature and Creation is build in a certain absolute logical structure, that includes the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments.
2. There are many Natural Creative Laws and Commandments, and I honestly don't exactly know how many there are.
3. Its the human obligation to by means of his own evolution to discover more and more Natural Creative Laws and Commandments, with his evolution unfolding he will be able to put each and any of those Laws and Commandments in its correct and natural place.
My own personal approach in this is from the book Genesis since it contains the 7 fold Laws for the Spiritual and Material realm, and it does provide a good basis and backbone for uncovering and organizing the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments, but everyone can use his / her own methode of course.
Jakobjn
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 49
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 09:54 pm: |
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Hello Jakob,
I guess to a large extent we are arguing semantics--concerning the meaning of the word 'freedom' in particular. Still I stand by my points, but I can see what you're saying in regards to our status.
You are correct that we are wealthier and have greater access to information than many people on earth. However, I would deny that poverty in and of itself is the sole cause of ignorance. Many spiritually knowledgeable (read that as wise, peaceful, etc.) people live in what most would consider a state of poverty. Following that line of thinking, I would also have to disagree that education leads to enlightenment. Most of my life has been spent unlearning what I was taught by educators in the public school system--or as I like to call it the public fool system. Now, was it all useless knowledge? I'd have to say no. Obviously basic math and the like are hard to "ruin" for even the worst teacher. Still, it is hard for me to decide whether I would like to be fed mostly false knowledge, or no knowledge at all. Even if we have access to all the libraries in the world, we still must be able to apply other thinking skills to determine the veracity of what we read and learn from all those books, because much of it will be false. So, again, we're left with the question, which would be the preferred situation--being deceived through formal education or having no formal education?
I do want to thank you for raising this issue because it led me to try and imagine what it would be like without the education of my upbringing. An interesting line of thinking and very difficult to picture. Obviously, it would be impossible to be brought up "in a vacuum"--as we learn in different ways (learning both truth and falsehoods) from many different people. I have many memories of learning from my family and from even random people--and of course from my many mistakes. But that's life...
And let's hope WW3 remains a prophecy, but with the behavior I continue to observe in America--and with the opposition I'm met with when I try to argue that the U.S. should remain neutral in its international dealings--I am not too optimistic. We have a very aggressive culture. But, you're right in that we should strive for neutral-positive thinking in regards to the prophecies. And that I will certainly try to improve on.
Namaste,
Hunter
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Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 52
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 10:59 am: |
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hey jakob (this time i got it right)
alright, i see your point.
that's what people like to call life.
now that you have questioned it
what are you going to do about it?
i mean this is good and all, gaining knowledge through spiritual teachings,
but you're telling us what the situation on earth is.
and this is simply stating the obvious.
also
a person born in a village who does not have the ability to tell the difference between a seed and a pill, will most likely be somebody who will not get the chance to see the other so called finer things in life that we got.
they are really just the same as us, but we are on a larger material scale.
the pleasures you never know are the pains you will never feel.
the pain and suffering of people is present.
i cannot imagine you walking up to the poor people in the city i live in, and you try to tell them they are better of than the "3rd world".
i know people who go to prison on purpose so that they do not have to live in poverty.
now, last time i checked... jail was a place everybody wants to avoid.
if all of us got it good, why my friend the, do i see upside down smiles everywhere i go?
same game different level.
yeah truthseeker, it's true we take things for granted, i agree.
we have more opportunity, but with it more responsibility |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 529
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 02:25 pm: |
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Hello,
What does it mean to be masculine and feminine in this world today?
Typically the male is the stronger of the species, therefore he is usually the one who goes out into the world and makes a living, while the female tends to domestic duties ie. raising children, cleaning the home etc. I am not implying a stereotype here, it seems in earlier times this was considered the norm.
Things these days are different. Men don't always leave the home, sometimes the male will stay home either because he is able to work from the home, or the possibility exists the female has the job. This may leave the male taking care of the children, feeding, cleaning etc. Many of these changes are brought about due to economic factors and changes in the workforce.
What does this do the male's self image of himself, can he continue to see himself in a masculine way, when he may find himself doing tasks that at one time were fulfilled by women? What is it that constitutes how a male should act and be in today's world?
Obviously the role of the woman has changed in many ways. Women are slowly asserting themselves and demanding more from society in terms of recognition, receiving higher wages, and taking leadership roles etc. What does it mean to be a true and real woman? Does this mean giving up her femininity, to take on the more aggressive role of a male? Does this mean curtailing domestic qualities, in place of more outwardly types of behavior?
Men and women are different creatures, but are we acting in natural ways? Have we become a different species, and are we now acting in ways nature intended us to act? It appears the sexes are becoming more equal in the sense that men are becoming more feminine and women more masculine, but again is this the correct evolution of the sexes? Could this signify a confusion or aberration in behaviors, which in times past did not exist?
Any comments would be welcome.
Salome
Scott |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 54
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 03:40 pm: |
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I can speak to this topic personally Scott, since I am currently (but temporarily) in just that kind of position. My son is young and just recently started school. My wife and I both agreed to not put him with a baby sitter until at least first grade, that left it up to us to care for him during the day. My wife has an excellent, high paying job whereas mine is more flexible and lower paying. As a result, I have been taking care of my son during the day recently until August when he begins first grade. In the school he attends, first grade is a full day long class, and this frees me up to work again.
As far as the masculine feminine subject, trust me, one's masculinity is not affected since all the same male patterns of thought have not changed to feminine ones in my experience. Merely the circumstances have changed.
As I understand it, Billy suggests looking to nature to learn the Creational laws. If this is the case, you might note that many animals actually have the male stay with the young while the mother searches for food. A good example of this is one species of Arctic or Antarctic (I forget which) penguin. In this species, as I understand it, the male holds the newborn atop his feet for extreme lengths of time while the female goes away to feed. And I don't mean for minutes or hours, it is for days and weeks that the male is alone with his youngling.
Take it for what it's worth... |
Anthea_c
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 08:25 pm: |
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Hi Scott, how're you doing?
I think you might find some insight re. your questions about male/female roles in a booklet Billy wrote titled "Ein Wort Zu Mann Und Frau ... von Billy."
All the best
Anthea |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 530
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Friday, July 09, 2004 - 08:52 am: |
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Thanks Thomas for your comments.
Good to hear from you again Anthea, appreciate the suggestion, I will look into it.
Salome
Scott |
Michael
Member
Post Number: 435
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2004 - 01:57 pm: |
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Hi Scott,
Regarding the male/female roles, when my daughter was 10 months of age her mother fell into a post-partum schizophrenic depression, from which she never really recovered. After a series of hospitalizations, she finally moved to another city where her family could help to take care of her. So I raised my daughter myself until she moved out on her own at 19.
I definitely had to draw on my "softer" side at times, and I noticed that it was certainly not a completely natural thing, as well as not being a balanced situation for my daughter. It was only after my in-home single parenting duties were over that I actually began to rediscover some of the fuller male elements that I had often supressed in my attempt to be as nurturing as possible for my daughter.
I know from experience, including my own childhood, that nothing replaces a good, well-balanced male/female parental unit for children, and for the parents themselves. It is certainly preferable, all things being equal, for there to be a mother and a father as they bring the unique and natural gifts that contribute to balanced nourishment and guidance. This is missing in strictly single-parent or same sex-parent environments, no matter how loving and devoted they may be. The key here being "all things being equal" which unfortunately, isn't always the case.
Michael Horn
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