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Author Message Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 01:36 pm:        Thanks Jo_jo for finding the answer. I am very much relieved... By the way, do any of you know if Canada is going to be an ally for the US in the third world war, if the world war were to happen?? It looks like our Conservative party's gonna win and the leader of the Conservative Party is definately another Tony Blair. I don't wanna get bombed just like Spain or London for our country supporting military-type solutions that could be avoided otherwise.. Hunter Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 07:38 am:        I think that either contact 251 or the Henoch prophecies state that Canada will be drawn into the war when Russia attacks/invades Alaska, if memory serves. Kingman Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 11:36 am:        I think our worst (negative) case scenario of being intervened in the future from extraterrestrials, would be our governments getting duped, and agreeing to poorly arranged treaties from the ET's that continue our enslavement to the elite classes. Not necessarily being actual slaves, just more of the same unfair conditions that keep the powerful happy and able to maintain the control they fear losing. While I don't feel WW3 is certain, we are going to experience more of what America has been doing for the last 50yrs. Our leaders will continue to select the smaller and weaker nations for wars that keep our defense (offense) industry greased and able to test our newest life-snuffing creations. The energy that creates the biggest wars are not so easy to hide anymore. But maybe to start WW3, all one needs to do would be attack the extreme fundamentalists in a way they couldn't restrain their wrath world wide, thus causing sides to begin forming. Bush is obviously another WW3 potential. We have way more to be concerned about from the increase in extreme weather we will face in the near future than WW3. This I feel is what the governments of the world are secretly preparing for. Emergency services will be taxed beyond being always ready and plentiful. Katrina-type storms will be the near norm, once extreme weather becomes the norm. We will go from one to the next with little time to rest. And Canada will either be neutral, or an ally, never an adversary. a friend in america Shawn Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 06:38 pm:        King man: Do you have any proof of the things you are saying about extraterrestrials and what you said about Canada? And what do you mean neutral, and ally or adversary - adversary for who and why do you say "never"?? Never say never - so they say... Anything is possible in this crazy world.... Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 01:27 pm:        News just in, guys! It looks like our extremest right-wing Conservative Party won. Stephen Harper, who wants to increase military spending and help Bush achieve his objectives, will be sworn in as Prime Minister of Canada very soon. Is there any mention in the contact notes if this guy along with Bush will be responsable for WW3? I really hope not... (Moderators: Can you please delete my previous post and replace it with this one since as you can tell i forgon one important little detail in it? Thanks!) Consolato Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:51 am:        bloody hell, it looks like we're heading for straight for WW3. I surely hope the plejarens intervene and do something on humanities behalf. I know the plejarens are partly responsible for the mess we're in today, and I know that we're also partly responsible for the mess we're in today too. I just hope the plejarens forget about their ET ethics and decide to do something which would definetly help us avoid this major catastrophic problem that is World War 3. Con Kingman Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 08:08 pm:        Hi Jrosales, Proof!? Hardly do I have any proof. I am postulating from what I gather around me and filtering that through Billy's material. As for Canada, it's the people I'm referring to when I say that Canada would never be an adversary. I have a hard time visualizing their soldiers and ours in a war. Even though history has shown us that brothers will fight brothers for stupid things such as religion. "Anything is possible in this crazy world...." I see that we agree here. Anything includes the good unimaginable events that could rewrite what our future seems to be headed for. a friend in america Shawn Edward Member Post Number: 572 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 04:56 am:        Hi All... For those whom may not yet be acquainted with the years data that are mentioned, which may generate World War Three (to its Fullest!) having a POSSIBILITY to be fulfilled. And once again, as Osama Bin Laden had recently made know to the world, to want to negotiate and make a Truce and to end all the bloodshed, or... to continue up to the point of no return. Mr.Bush's response is still: No negotiations with terrorist. From: www.figu.org/ us/ figu/ bulletin/ s02_to_the_statesmen.htm To The Statesmen In Power And To Mankind Of Earth Should in fact a clash of weapons occur in Iraq, prodded by the howling for war by Bush, then this can become a reality and the fulfillment of the Henok Prophecies, although the old prophecy says that due to this consequence, the Third World War could in fact break out in the year 2006, whereby it should be said that it depends if this date is taken from the modern calendar of today or according to the time since the birth of Jmmanuel, which then would correspond to the year 2003. Another prophecy speaks of an all-encompassing war in the year 2011. But at the present, the year 2006 has to be considered, because the last decades that have gone by with all the happenings in military and political machinations point towards this time. and... Will there not be a turn for the better in the beginning of the millennium, the prophecy according to Henok will come true that the Third World War in the year 2006 will take place and two thirds of mankind will lose their lives. And all this, because immense deadly weapons will be used, such as biological and chemical, as well as nuclear and such related to radiation. With that, a catastrophe will befall the Earth and mankind as never before was and never will be again. Yet mankind can still win if reason and common sense is the highest objective, and all the irresponsible powerful in states and their followers and supporters are relieved of their positions and are replaced with responsible human beings, who use their leading positions solely for the well-being of mankind and therefore also for true peace and for the actual freedom. further... Contact 372, Friday, January 14th, 2005, 12.55 AM Billy: In spite of that, one may never simply give up hope. If I think about all the events that have come about under the government of the sectarian and delusional war monger George W. Bush, the President of the USA, in Afghanistan and in Iraq, then it is to be expected that he will further lead his death and destruction work also into Iran. But that can then, under the circumstances, really lead to the third world fire that could possible be in 2006, as the old prophecies say. But we hope that these prophecies turn many things to the better. You do know the hope - Yet, what do you think? How are the chances - are the cards not dealt yet? Ptaah: Everything is still open, yet the Earth humanity has very bad cards under the idiotic, sectarian, war- mongerish and destructive dictator, President Bush. For our side we have only very vague hopes that the man yet becomes sensible and can be freed from his delusion that he should be the savior of the Earthly humanity. With his direct, and likewise megalomaniacal adviser, Condoleezza Rice, he builds a team of evil that can, tyrannically, megalomaniacally and fully irresponsibly, actually lead the Earthly humanity into a third world fire. Gandhi: An Eye For An Eye...Will Make All People Blind. Peace To ALL Creatures Of CREATION.... Edward. Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 08:03 pm:        Hi Board: Just sharing few thought on those prophecies. If you read the Henoch propehices, it mentions that only part of those are disclosed. My intuition is part of it was disclosed in an attempt to warn some countries of what could happen if they were to follow the current US administration. The part where it says that US will attack countries in the name of terrorism is being fulfilled. Then it mentioned that Russia and China will turn agressive and start to invade Europe, due to European Union behavior. This doesn't seem to happen now. There is no mention on how the potential conflict will start and evolve, it just mentions how bad it could be if people in the world blindly supports the Bushes and the Zionists. It is obvious that a conflict may be started this year by Israel and the US against Iran, i am afraid nobody can stop that. But if other western countries support this (Europe, Canada) it may lead in a all out conflict between West and East (Russia, China and Islamic countries). It is obvious that Israel is the main reason will spark the conflict and be engulfed by the war. If this is not mentioned in the prophecies, perhaps its because it will happen with certainty? For the rest, it is up to the people, whether it is a major war or a nuclear holocaust. I admit that the new conservative goverment that we elected in Canada won`t help. I am also VERY concerned with the fact that several now openly state they can use nuclear weapons to win conflicts, or as retaliation, even French president said that last week. Those politicians, military planners, are frankly criminals against mankind, and be put to jail for LIFE. By using the sword in degenerated manner, they will perish by the sword. Law of cause and effect Hunter Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 07:44 am:        Just watched Bush on Face the Nation this morning saying "The world cannot allow Iran to have nuclear weapons for the sake of freedom." I just don't see how we can avoid World War 3 with this abject moron pulling all the strings. I hardly ever watch the Sunday morning news shows anymore. Our politicians are a joke. Almost makes me sick to my stomach that people can't see them for what they are: a bunch of shallow, self-righteous, prestige seekers. Jo_jo Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 12:50 pm:        The offer to have Russia enrich uranium for Iran’s use in developing “commercial” nuclear power will never be accepted by Iran. That’s just an attempt to force Iran to show their hand. And they should not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons nor should any other country be allowed entry to the “nuclear club”. On this point most people in the world agree. Therefore, destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities will not lead to the start of WWIII. Surely neither the US or Israel will invade Iran. How could they? Iran is a country of nearly 75 million with a military force of 850,000. If the invasion and destruction of Iraq under false pretenses didn’t cause WWIII, why would a surgical strike against nuclear facilities in the desert do so now? That precedent's already been established without repercussion. It will take much more than that. Jrosales80 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 02:21 pm:        Kingman: Please excuxe me but everything you said in the post you were referring to were mere assumptions. That's why I asked for proof like Edward and Jo_jo have provided. Since I don't know how to read German, that's why I need to ask for "proof". Otherwise I would read the contact notes myself. So please don't be upset if your suppositions are not enough for me to base my opinions on. That and besides the fact that the answers have already been provided by members on the forum. Kiril Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 04:13 pm:        Hunter: What do you offer as a step forwards? Lets consider this situation : - You are aware, without a doubt, that this individual is a religious extremist - furthermore, the person has made the intention of destroying your property, and others, very clear - on many occasions. - You know that this person provides a 'breading ground' and haven for other persons who are them selves religious extremists and who's goal is the destruction of your property - and infect any property that belongs to a person who apposes their religious beliefs! - You know that if this regime were to succeed the only possible outcome is totalitarianism - for your country and any other country under the rule of this person. - You know that if you impose sanctions on this person the situation will worsen. - And finally, you know that, under the aforementioned premises, this person is about to begin research and development of nuclear weapons, an action that will move the regime significantly closer to achieving its final goal(Seeing as they have now rejected the offer from Russia - meaning they don't want anybody knowing what hey are going to do with the enriched uranium). How do you play your pieces in this kind of situation? - remembering that the-right-of-use-of-force is yours when your freedom is compromised(through the use of force) - or, as it stands in this case, that action against you is imminent. ---- Kril Hunter Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 08:37 am:        * How do you play your pieces in this kind of situation? Kiril, the key is understanding what motivates your opponent. Iran is "making threats" primarily against Israel. The situation in the Middle East exists because of the Zionists. Bin Laden stated in 1996 that Jihad and terrorism were necessary as long as the U.S. kept troops on sacred Saudi soil, kept the sanctions on Iraq which harmed the Iraqi people and not Saddam (and were setting the stage for another invasion--which did happen), and sold weapons and gave military support to Israel. He said as long as those policies continued, terrorism would continue. If the U.S. will simply declare neutrality, close its military bases the world over and withdraw its troops, there will be no more terrorism and America will be at peace. We should always maintain a strong defense, but by minding our own business we greatly reduce the chance that we'll ever be attacked again. Consolato Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 02:44 pm:        I'd like to ask a question please. If all the nations of the world know how the U.S. were the real orchestrators behind 9/11 (which all nations do know) and also how all nations know why the U.S. staged 9/11 attacks for too, (which was so the U.S. can expand their world domination) why aren't any nations that aren't allies with the U.S. crying foul play to the United Nations about what really happened over the 9/11 attacks. Why aren't some leaders of some of these poorer nations officially telling their countries people via primetime TV networks about what the U.S. really did over 9/11 attacks and also what the U.S. is up to too? The U.S. plans for world domination which means the U.S. plans to dominate and take advantage of lots of other world nations. Why aren't some of these nations (russia, china, iran, ect) which will lose wealth and power from the U.S. plans getting greater world domination doing anything about it? Why aren't any of them doing anything about it? Surely if one of these nations made a formal complaint to the United nations declaring how the U.S. setup the 9/11 attacks because of plans for world domination. Shouldn't this stop the U.S. dead in its tracks if a nation announced to the world what really happened over 9/11 and what the U.S. is up to too? Every nation knows what really happened about 9/11 attacks and I don't understand why any of them which aren't allies of the U.S. are not saying anything about what really happened over the 9/11 attacks and in effect are just letting the U.S. get away with it? Why are none of these nations doing anything about it and are about to let the U.S. just get away with it and in effect take advantage of some of these nations? Consolato Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:27 pm:        originally posted by Hunter - "Bin Laden stated in 1996 that Jihad and terrorism were necessary as long as the U.S. kept troops on sacred Saudi soil, kept the sanctions on Iraq which harmed the Iraqi people. He said as long as those policies continued, terrorism would continue." Hi Hunter, I thought that international terrorism didn't exist, and that bin laden and george bush are working together (9/11) and are best buddies too. If the U.S. really wanted to get bin laden, they would've got him years ago and quite easily too, just like they got saddam hussein in next to no time when the U.S. invaded iraq. The reason why the U.S. hasn't been able to get bin laden yet, is because they don't want to get him is why, because they need bin laden on the loose to support the U.S.' bogus international terrorism farce. I recently posted this on another thread - --------------------------- International Terrorism Does Not Exist By General Leonid Ivashov 1-22-6 General Leonid Ivashov is the vice-president of the Academy on geopolitical affairs. He was the chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union's ministry of Defense, secretary of the Council of defense ministers of the Community of independant states (CIS), chief of the Military cooperation department at the Russian federation's Ministry of defense and Joint chief of staff of the Russian armies. General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. http://rense.com/general69/ism.htm -------------------------- International Terrorism Does Not Exist. Bin Laden and George Bush = Working together/Best Buddies. Consolato Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 06:56 pm:        i forgot to say why the U.S. will never capture bin laden. 1. bin laden and george bush working together. 2. bin laden never did the 9/11 attacks 3. bin laden couldn't be charged with carrying out the 9/11 attacks because its obvious the U.S. alone did the 9/11 attacks and not bin laden. 4. every nation in the world knows the U.S. carried out the 9/11 attacks and not bin laden. 5. if bin laden was ever captured the U.S. would become undone and would have a lot of explaining to do to the rest of the world about the real events of 9/11 attacks. Its obvious that the U.S. did the 9/11 attacks and not bin laden and if bin laden wasn't working together with george bush with the farce of the 9/11 attacks, then bin laden would have been doing videos saying how the U.S. were the ones responsible for carrying out the 9/11 attacks and not him. But because bin laden has never done declared his innocence and how bin laden has never said anything in any of the alcueda videos/tapes about how the U.S. did the 9/11 attacks and not him, is all the proof that is needed to prove that bin laden and george bush were/are working together surrounding the 9/11 attacks because if they weren't, then bin laden would have been declaring his innocence a long time ago and if they weren't working together then bin laden would have definetely been voicing his opinion about who he thought was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, but never did. Why not? they are working together is why. For this reason the U.S. will never have any intention of ever capturing bin laden and why it will never happen. This is all the proof thats needed to prove that Bin Laden and George Bush = Best buddies/working together. Con Hunter Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:36 am:        Consolato, I don't believe Bin Laden and Bush are working together. I believe that Billy has implied that some in the secret agencies of the U.S. knew that Bin Laden was planning to attack, but rather than stop it, they allowed it to happen to build public support behind their military excursions. Bin Laden, I believe, is a true Islamic fundamentalist and definitely wants to harm the U.S. and Israel as long as they are on Muslim soil. I don't think he could ever ally with a Christian fundamentalist like Bush when Bush is defending his enemy Israel. Hunter Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:40 am:        * Surely if one of these nations made a formal complaint to the United nations declaring how the U.S. setup the 9/11 attacks because of plans for world domination. Shouldn't this stop the U.S. dead in its tracks if a nation announced to the world what really happened over 9/11 and what the U.S. is up to too? Consolato, as I said, the U.S. didn't completely set it up. The attacks were real, the U.S. just found out about them early and allowed them to happen rather than preventing them. But it would be interesting for other countries to raise this issue at the next United Nations meeting. Scott Moderator Post Number: 736 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:58 pm:        Hi Hunter, Have you studied the footage of the 2nd plane impacting the World Trade Center? It was not an American Airlines Aircraft by any means. In addition what debris was recovered from the Pentagon impact zone, which pointed to a civilian aircraft? There were no passengers; no luggage, no wing debris, and the dimensions of the aircraft do not correspond with the impact area. Why was the FBI so quick to confiscate any video footage from various fixed cameras mounted on various buildings near the Pentagon? What limited footage the Pentagon released, does not indicate any type of aircraft the size of a 757 slamming into the Pentagon. You would also wonder why one of the most secure buildings in the US was only able to release half a dozen frames from one camera, it would seem there would have been multiple cameras mounted from every angle covering every square foot of the Pentagon. I believe the US intentionally set up this attack scenario to continue to do its dirty work throughout the world and it seems they have succeeded. Regards Scott David_chance Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:44 pm:        Hello everyone, (Moderator, this probably belongs in the "Politics" section.) I wanted to comment on 2 things. 1. The use of the word "Jihad" in Hunter's post: Western media and even many Muslims do not know the correct meaning of this word. It has nothing to do with violence or terrorism, though this is what Western media has re-defined it as. The correct meaning of the word is a "struggle", an inward struggle within the individual to overcome those things which one perceives as standing in the way of one's own personal progress (in Islam). 2. Con's statements regarding Osama bin Laden: there are those who think that bin Laden died several years ago, that the "tapes" that occassionally surface are forgeries, and that bin Laden is essentially a symbol used by politicians to instill fear into the people in order to justify and advance the bogus "war on terror". Here are a few places that discuss that possibility: http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/ http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/19/gen.musharraf.binladen.1.19/index.html David Consolato Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:38 pm:        Hi Hunter, I'm afraid that what Scott says is true. You can see it all for yourself in the film inplanesite, plus you will see a whole lot more too. I highly recommend watching it. Here is a link to the film inplanesite(3 parts) where you can watch it or download it for free. Just scroll down this webpage to where it says 9/11inplanesite. http://www.question911.com/links.php Con Hunter Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 03:28 pm:        Scott, Consolato, Look, I'm certainly open to investigating 9/11 as a pure government coverup, and there's definitely some evidence that this could be the case. After all, the US planned fake terrorist attacks on American citizens to create support for a war against Cuba. It was called Operation Northwoods. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/ - Northwoods documents from the national archives http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 - report from ABC News "We could blow up a U.S. ship and blame cuba" - quote from Northwoods There are people who were at the site on 9/11 who question the official explanation after what they witnessed: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm And there are still several questions that the government refuses to answer from the 9/11 commission: http://911independentcommission.org/questions.html Like how two of the terrorists' passports were found in the rubble in pristine condition... That just seems weird to me, that two of the passports could be found in perfect condition after being in an airplane that exploded and then in a huge building that collapsed in on itself. Also interesting to note that the military devised a plan in 1976 to destroy the twin towers with planes (taken over by men with boxcutters): http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/200305terroristplan.htm But still, after having reviewed all of this, I think it's more likely a case of the government knowing about the attack (as we know they did through the Able Danger operatives) and then just sitting back and using it as political capital. I may be wrong, but that's just my personal feeling. Namaste, Hunter

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