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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 08:34 pm: | 
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dear jo_jo
In response to your post 100
This is the point of my contention jo_jo, I cannot reconcile with the remification from the information that the plejarens are not allowed to look into their future because there is no point for them because it only denies them the prerequisite lessons they need to learn. This suggests the future is already written whatever the interaction of our free will has, according to the laws of cause and effect on the future.
When billy told the plejarens of his concern that he would be away from home for too long when they undertook the great journey into outer space, the plejarens had solve this by time travelling back so that it appeared he only went away for 24 hours.
I don't know how it was possible but taking into consideration what einstein said about time being relative to the observer. For me anyway 1 minute in Paris equals 1 minute in New York and the world time is syncronous with each other, otherwise it would indicate that there is no uniformity in the way the earth rotates. So having said this if you took a watch syncronised to the atomic clock and travelled to the moon, by the time you get back to earth there would be certain time that would have elasped, so if you arrived lets say, at 10am GWT then the earth clock time would also be 10am GWT. Unless time is like the ocean current where some section of the water will flow more rapidly than other body of water and depending on where you are positioned in the stream, your sense of time is either faster or slower.
The notion of nullifying time and space for space flight is also mind boggling, along with hyperspace and repulse drive technologies used by the plejarens. According to our scientific theories, if you can travel faster or at the speed of light, you in effect cause time to slow down. Now any one of these technologies used by the pejarens to fly, we can safely vouch that it'll fly at or faster than the speed of light, which in effect, they are always time travelling everytime they undertake space flights. Does this mean they are ageing slower than us?
Seeing as they also mention that time, although for the earthlings is linear, to them there is no fixed point, its instead a confluence like a stream. Then we have very far to go before we can actually understand a little of what they say.
it's too confusing
peace be with you |
Junior
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 01:55 am: |
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Dear Anday727,
I don’t know if you will see this post, I guess if you are receiving the posts to your email you will.
Regarding your question to Billy about the “Apollo Era” the interruption of the message, which is "lama rabi alardi dini endavur esa kunis alim"
Now the thing is I speak Arabic language, and some of the words seem to be Arabic and fit together let me try to tell you what some of words that I manage to make out…
Lama------Lamma------When
rabi -------Rabbi--------My God
alardi -----Alardi--------The Earth
dini -------Diini----------My Religion
endavur ? not clear
esa ? not clear
kunis ? not clear
alim--------Aliim---------Pain/Painul
Interpreting in a proper sentence would be
“When my god of the earth… … …Pain/Painful”
depending on what is the missing three words the last word would be clear.
I guess if I could hear the actual words it would be easier to understand as it is hard to write Arabic in English words… if you could give me a link to the actual recording.
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Junior
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 06:07 am: |
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Dear All,
I just wanted to give my opinion regarding the idea of if future is predetermined…
From what I understood to now, is that let say today one has a machine to calculate and reveal what will happen until the day of death of the body.
Now in a way the future is and has already been created from past experiences and thoughts, but the idea if I understood it correctly that lets say the next day the person gets a choice in other words, there is choice for example of 1(getting a new job), or 2(travelling abroad for another job), from one day to the next the choice might change. Because as long as you haven’t made a decision, which usually happens on a certain day what ever went through the mind before will not be as important as the time when you actually make the choice.
Which one gets to the point that if the person one year after that will have a different life until the time of death depending on if he made a different choice then what was in the mind or subconscious at the first attempt of seeing into the future.
To this point I have covered the point of prophecies, ok now let me try to take another step lets say the person has chosen from the previous example to travel abroad for a new job, now stating again from what I understood that once let say this choice has been made, the result will be that a prediction might be created as the person will need to meet someone because of his choice of travelling abroad.
In a sort of a conclusion I feel that there is a very thin line between prophecies and predictions. And we will need to develop quite a bit to be able to differentiate, between the two. Let alone get the information of the future...
Peace to all, and one Love
Junior
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Barbarotico
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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Dear Billy:
I want to question something to you.
There are a person of my family that always show an hostile character to me and others peoples of my family.
One time that person talked to me in an hostile way, and in that occasion I saw his eyes glowing like carbon brass.
The truth is that I never feel well when I'm near that person, specially when I don't carry a concealed weapon.
Can you tell me what is this phenomenon?
Hello Barbarotico,
This section does not get answered by Billy. The questions to Billy section is now closed. Please wait untit the section re-opens.
Thanks
Scott-Moderator |
Thomas
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Post Number: 94
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 06:26 am: |
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Hello again JoJo. Maybe all the future IS written but only as a result of we have chosen to do with our own free wills. In that case it is just a matter of living out the future and learning the lessons we need to learn. Maybe the future has happened already and maybe not. Either way is beside the point because what will happen will happen. There is no changing the past and we DO have limitations on what the future can be based on the present and past conditions. It is almost a moot (hope I spelled it right) point... |
Anday727
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 07:45 am: |
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Dear Junior,
thank You for Your response on my posted question to Billy. Regarding this subject, I don't think that anybody except The French National Television posses the original recording. Maybe NASA only have it. It was an incident during the live TV transmission (of Apollo 15 Moon landing mission), from USA to Europe. They (USA) simply turned off the transmision in one moment. Later some French journalists investigated the incident, but...
An Egyptologist from Slovenia try to translate the message many years after, and he state it was ancient Egypt's language.
Anyhow, thank You very much for response,
be well,
Salome,
Dejan
To moderator: I am sorry if my post don't belong in this section of forum. Please move it somewhere else in that case. Thanks. |
Consolato
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 04:28 pm: |
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The Plejarens say that the past cannot be changed, but what I don't understand is what would happen if the plejarens travelled with their spaceship back in time, and something happened like some electronic failure occured to their spacecraft which caused it to become temporarily visible to people or someone that was nearby and they saw the spacecraft and lets say they got a shock from seeing it. It then resulted in this person doing something significant in his life from seeing their spacecraft, which changed future events in his life from what it would have been, had he not seen their spacecraft. Could this happen and if so, then doesn't that make it possible to change events and things that happened in the past?
Con |
Markc
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Post Number: 277
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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Concerning the voice heard onthe Appolo transmission "lama rabi alardi dini endavur esa kunis alim" :
It's possible that this could have been an interruption on the part of the old ET gods who built the pyramids , which would give a credible trail of an explanation to the similarity to the Aegyptian dialct.
From what I can surmise so far from what we all have read on this forum , I think the message means as follows :
“When my god of the earth returns there will be Pain”
This seems to align with what Billy has revealed in the Henok Prophecies , that the overhanded governments who reign at the time will be beaten down by the old ET gods .
Mark Campbell
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Jo_jo
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
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If the past cannot be changed, then there must be a mechanism in place (i.e., “keepers of the time”, etc) that prevent such accidents from having consequences (memories erased, artifacts self-destructing, etc). In a similar vein, archeological and scientific discoveries are not “permitted” until their time is ripe. |
Consolato
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 01:35 pm: |
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Hi Jo_jo,
what if that mechanism fails or is there such a thing as a %100 failproof mechanism? I can understand the reliability of a simple mechanism that does a simple job/task being %100 failproof, but have trouble trying to see a mechanism that is complicated, operates throughout the entire universe and applies to all things being %100 failproof?
Con |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 04:01 pm: |
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The 100% failproof mechanism preventing time-traveling accidents from changing the past would be provided by creation if it is a creational law that past events cannot be changed. A lot of things are beyond our control or ability to comprehend yet still take place like clockwork. |
Savio
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Post Number: 538
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 05:58 am: |
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Dear all
I would think it is perfectly logical that the past cannot be changed. On one hand it is the regulation of the law of cause and effect, on the other hand is the reality proved that we are living in a world of logic without unreasonable havoc.
Having said that it means what did not happen in the past, it will not take place in the future, for this reason, that potential electronic failure of the presumed time machine will not happen at that certain past.
I have been thinking about how come that some future events are fixed and some do not.
I propose an example: Peter is taking a bubble bath.
The activities of Peter in the tub, the quality and quantity of water and foam liquid in the tub, resulting in a rich foam on the surface of the water.
Peter’s activities is directly responsible for the formation and the future formation of the foam and bubbles.
Now, because of Peter’s certain activities, a bubble is made leaving the bed of foam and floats into the air.
The bubble in the air is now free from the effect of Peter’s further activities and is independent from the rest of the foam.
Hence the future of the bed of foam is still under the influence of Peter’s activities while the bubble is free and fixed in shape and can no longer be changed.
The bubble coexists with the bed of foam in the same time frame but in another dimension.
Perhaps, a fixed future that associated with a past event is like the bubble, it is created by the [then] activities, it is fixed, not affected by further action, exist until the cause and effect law is fulfilled.
Peace 
Savio |
Markc
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Post Number: 280
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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Hi Savio ;
Nicely concieved . Yes, it seems logical to me that some things are already set into motion , and others occurances within that context may or not happen . Even on a more general vista , the fact that Peter is at home at all at that time , or somewhere else at that exact same time is yet another variable ..... and so on .
Regards , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Consolato
Member
Post Number: 117
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 09:28 pm: |
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I'd like to ask a hypothetical question. If billy was able to go back in time and meet Jmmaneul to talk with him and meet him, then he would have been there in the pyshical, so too would the plajerans beamship that was just parked nearby too. Everything was there in the pyshical. The beamship could have fired its lazer at some animal and killed it, and billy could have pushed Jmmaneul (himself) over, is this correct? This is purely hyperthetical ok, what would happen if the plejrens deliberately turned their lazer onto some guy nearby there and shot him. What would happen there, would he die? If he die's it end his life he was suppposed to live as well as a number of other people lives who were going to get born into the family that guy was going to start. What would happen there and where does that creational safety mechanism step in, at which part?
The other thing I would like to ask is about when billy went back in time to meet Jmmaneul. Billy goes back in time and distracts Jmmaneul from what he was originally doing during that time, so that billy can talk with him for half an hour or so. So what happened was that instead of Jmmaneul chatting with his neighbour during that half an hour, it got changed to Billy and Jmmaneul sitting down for a chat for half hour at Jmmaneul's house. Isn't that in of itself, no matter how small, still changing events that happened in the past??
Con |
Memo00
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Post Number: 201
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 05:32 am: |
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hi
according to Billy and friends the past cannot be changed, so by travelling to the past they didn´t changed anything, its sounds paradoxical but it means that two thousands years ago Jmmanuel already received the visit from Billy and Asket. . .
its more or less like today that according to Billy some people from the future are visiting the crop circles. . .
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since supposedly you cannot change the past you will not be able to kill a person or anything, the laser would not work, something would emerge at the moment, and then you would forget etc, the thing is that according to Billy it is absolutely imposible to change anything that has not already happened
many questions arise, the only thing that comes to mind to reconcile many of these things is that: "all is interconnected with all" "time is an illusion, what is real is what lasts forever"
and that like the plejaren say "life itself is an spiritual teaching" so whatever happens you can say its part of some kind of "dream"(material existance)created by the Creation with the purpose of teaching many lessons and whose rules we will inevitably understand "someday"
take care |
Thomas
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Post Number: 99
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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Hi all, You guys are forgetting another possibility. Even if you change OUR past it will not change OUR present. It MIGHT cause OUR past to diverge into another timeline. Just a thought... |
Memo00
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 05:03 pm: |
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hi Thomas
i have thought about something like that before, but that is in conflict with other things that Billy said
like: "what you see that will happen in the future cannot be changed when you return to "the present" (to create a different future/or like you call a different "timeline")"
and the same applies with the past. . .
supposedly it is simply impossible. . .
after all things are as they are and not like we want them to be. . .
take care |
Marc
Moderator
Post Number: 193
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
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Hi All,
I'm still new to time travel stuff as it is explained by Billy and Guido, but I don't think multiple timelines exist as theorized in quantum mechanics. Multiple dimensions (e.g. completely different "worlds" that occupy the same space coordinates) supposedly exist, but not separate timelines (e.g. subtle to large deviations off of a single dimension's event chronology).
Memo00 is right per explanations by Billy/Plejaren. Any point in time contained within a given dimension that is viewed, witnessed, documented, etc. is thereafter considered an historic fact and cannot be changed by a time travel trip to the past.
I’ll try to make up an example by a fictional piece, at least based on how I understand it. Hopefully it won’t get too crazy:
One fine day, I was using my new metal detector in the backyard and found a small metal box buried under some 40 cm of soil. Sealed within, I found an aged journal titled, "My Time Travel Trip to 1937", copyrighted 1937 and, to my astonishment, written by none other than…me! I opened the book and turned to the dedication page which read, "To Me, Myself and I, without whom this time travel trip (and book) would not be possible."
Reading on, the writer (me) explained that, no matter what, within one year, I will learn the secret of time travel, build a time-travel device, travel back to 1937, and write the very journal that I'm reading...no matter what I try to do (or not do) to avoid this. Amazingly, it also recounts the very same events leading to the discovery of the very same journal that I'm now reading, one year prior to my eventual time trip, and explains that I will end up losing the journal shortly after I read it.
Thinking myself to be more clever than Creation and able to sidestep the laws of nature and perhaps beat it at its own game, I decided to “test” fate and do everything possible to avoid anything at all involving time travel in order to see if I could completely avoid building a time travel device, taking the trip, writing the original journal, losing the journal I currently have, and so forth.
Well, two days later, the journal that I thought was perfectly safe and sound in my desk drawer disappeared without a trace. The security camera I installed in my home office recorded everything that day but two minutes, apparently when the power to my house was mysteriously interrupted! One of my neighbors reported seeing a black car with dark tinted windows by my driveway for a few minutes. Hmm…
After spending several weeks purposefully avoiding any literature on time travel (including any and all Art Bell shows), I began to find myself waking up in the middle of the night with bizarre headaches and an unexplainable and gradual increase in knowledge of the mechanics of time travel and how to build my own, homemade time machine. As it turns out, I was being abducted by a race of benevolent beings from Alpha Centauri and they were injecting my brain with data and instructions on how to build a crude, but fully functional time machine via a helmet-like apparatus. I had no idea why. But the impulse to create a time travel machine consumed me daily until I could no longer bear it and I subsequently began a seven-month project to build the first machine of its kind on earth—completely foregoing my own pact with myself to avoid making such a thing.
When it was completed, I set out on my incredible trip to 1937 whereupon I excitedly wrote a journal about my experiences and (what the heck) decided to copyright it. While I was there, I was compelled to create a time capsule, of sorts, enclose my journal within and preserve it for…well, myself, I guess! I don’t recall the exact words I wrote in the journal that was lost in 2006, but after having looked at the finished product, it appeared hauntingly similar to what I recall holding in my hands almost a year ago. The paper bond was identical. Of course I knew I would be the one to discover the time capsule (the metal box) since I already did it a year ago, so any fear of another person digging it up was allayed.
As much as (I thought) I didn’t want to deprive the (seen-from-my-1937-vantage-point) “future me” of this incredible journal, I later changed my mind and decided not to bury the time capsule, as I wanted to leave before the predicted thunderstorms came. Bad weather and time machines don’t really work well together. But just prior to departing back to the year 2006, a lightning storm seemingly came out of nowhere and so I ended up having to stay a few days later and consequently took the time (heh-heh) to bury the time capsule. Since my house in the year 2006 existed as far back as 1920, it was conveniently right where it should be. I buried the capsule in the backyard, oh, some 40 cm deep or so, when the owners were off at work and then I returned back to 2006, returning to the point immediately after my initial departure time to 1937.
Aside from knowledge of time travel, what did I learn? Well, as much as I wanted to avoid future events of which I was fully aware, I couldn’t.
Bottom line: Somehow, some way, the events predicted in the journal ended up occurring despite my efforts to the contrary.
Final score: Me – 0; Creation – Infinity |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 100
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 01:55 am: |
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Hi guys, I think that you are interpreting too much. We all need to look at exactly what Billy said and not interpret it. If we take things at face value from him and the Plejarans, we can learn something. For example, when the Dimension Door was open and Billy went through it with Semjase et al. in the Bermuda Triangle, they saw a different set of 3 Earths. All of these Earths were at different time periods but NOT NECESSARILY OUR DIMENSION. Seperately from that Billy said you cannot change the present by altering the past. He NEVER said that you cannot alter the past period. This leaves open the possibility at least that the past CAN be changed but that it will definitely not affect the present in our time and dimension. As I understand it he never said that our timeline cannot diverge into other ones. I have read the contact notes regarding this and the facts are the facts if we do not interpret them.
Remember what Billy himself said about bare observation and unbiased thinking. Or for those of you out there with a sense of humour, think of the fictional Yoda when he wondered at how the mind of a child comes up with the correct answer because he doesn't have the preconceptions of an adult! Smiling but often true!
Just my thoughts... |
Thomas
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 01:59 am: |
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Hi Mem, you cannot say "the same goes for the past" and claim it was Billy who said it. He NEVER said that about the past. I know you did not explicitly say that Billy said it but it seemed implied.
No offense intended but it needed to be clarified. |
Jrosales80
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 04:02 am: |
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Hi Mark,
Regarding your post #277, (I haven't read the Henok Prophesies yet) Is there going to be an ET intervention here on Earth? Or has it already happened with the Plejarens? |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 203
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 05:59 am: |
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well, if you dont believe me. . .
from the Q to Billy section:
"If an object has been destroyed it is absolutely impossible to travel back into the past to "rescue" the object prior to its destruction. The only possible thing would be to go back into the past and making photographs etc. of it."
(if things would be like you say then you would be able to save the object even if that would not change the "present" from where you came from)
"You cannot change a thing that has already happened. What has happened in the future cannot be changed in the past. "
"If you have not really "run against GWB for President" in the year 2000, you cannot go back into another dimension (= the past) where you will meet Marc who runs... "
"What can be seen in the future (predictions) may never be altered."
"That's a law of Creation. A cause leads to an effect, and what has occurred once cannot be made unmade."
Question:"If one could travel to the future and learn about the past (their own present) could they return to their own time to change their present...and thereby the future that they had already seen?
Answer: No, that's impossible"
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you say we are "interpreting" to much, well i would say then you are speculating too much? i have thought about the posibilities you speak of (many dimensions etc) and about many other ones (which i will not mention to avoid more confusion), but there are many things that just don´t make sense from these speculations, for example:
if according to you, you can change the past (to create a new "timeline"), then explain to me, why i cannot change what i have seen in the future to create a different one (if the things i saw still don´t happen?)
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and just to clarify why i said it is the same with the past:
if we have points:
A (past)
B(present)
C(future)
if we travel from point B to point C then B becomes the past and C the present, and what i see in that present (C) has already happened so i cannot return to B to change it
and the same: if i travel from B to A, then A becomes the present and B the future, and what has already happened once cannot be changed by travelling to the past (remember what Billy said about saving objects), so. . .
take care |
Pudd
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 06:51 am: |
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My question deals with the killing of violent criminal's through our death penalty court system's.I would like to know more about the damage being done to the spirit relm level's.Are the returning spirits fully cleansed?Overpopulation has an impact of course and I'am wondering if there is a breaking point,if you will, for the creation's spirit process.Salome |
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