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    Junior New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone I was not totaly sure where to post this message but thought here is a good place since I didn't find a better place, and was not sure if it is worth sending an email to figu. Before a few months i was checking online for different prophecies and came to a website, only recently noticed how close the information is with regard to billy's info. an example of a predicition "A new human race of extraterrestrials will start to visit Earth after WWIII and its aftermath. These people from deep in the cosmos will be peaceful, of a very advanced technological civilization and of a high spiritual state of existence, serving God and Immanuel to their fullest capabilities." Other prophecies are similar to billy's prophecies but have some additions, I do not know if you can do any thing about it. But I thought it is best to mention to you just incase, because i have the feeling the guy under the name of Raphael is using billy's info for his personal gains... the website I found the info is http://raphaelonline.com I hope i am not violating any forum rules by writing this down... Peace to all, and one Love | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Junior, I came across this person's website a few years ago. The real name here is Rafael Eric Rey, residing in Florida. I suspect him to be a charlatan with borrowed information. Peace and understanding, David | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 08-2004 |
Something to consider: Why would an extraterrestrial race (or anyone) be serving the historical material-space-time personality of someone (not of their planet/s) who is no longer in existence? How does one serve that which does not exist? Why not "serving Henoch," Enoch or any other historical personality that no longer exists? Perhaps Raphael is still confused in his mind with respect to who and what Immanuel and Jesus were. | ||
Jay_q Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 01-2005 |
why am i banned from seeing my posts and also banned from posting again.... please email me and tell me why, im very confused Jaq_q, What are you talking about? No one is banning your posts or preventing you from viewing them. Could you please explain. Just a reminder, the purpose of this forum is for the exchange of information and ideas relating to Billy etc. If you need to contact another member, please use e-mail. Thanks-Moderator-Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear (non German speaking) FIGU friends! The below is the broad outline of the new FIGU special bulletin #17. (As usual, the quotes are just our unofficial, amateur gaiaguys translation effort.) It doesn’t have much that we consider to be a top priority to report at the moment (compared to various mountains of the other Meier material we’re trying to explore more here). Mostly it seems to be inspired by a slanderous presentation of the Meier case by a German UFO organization (GEP – Community for Investigation of UFO Phenomena, http://www.ufo-forschung.de ) which draws on Kalliope’s comments, among other things. Billy explains how this group have not even bothered to make contact with him to find out for themselves what the truth is, and how easy it is to lie. Also he speaks about how those who listen to the lies don’t bother to find out the truth for themselves (ie. the familiar themes). The bulletin covers the whole matter of slander against Billy, how he has no need to justify his position as he has no doubts about it, and how in the end the truth shows up the slanderers for what they are. Also Billy explains that, while he does not defend himself against the slanderers and insults, there is a need to present an overview of the facts. Predictably, this GEP distortion of the Meier case includes the familiar lies about Billy being a guru figure in FIGU who tolerates no dissent. This has inspired three of the core FIGU members, Bernadette Brand, Hans Lanzendorfer and Brigitt Keller to describe how it really is, including the importance Billy and the Plejaren place on equality, ie. not even the prophet is above anyone else. It is only that they all have different roles to play, and so forth. For instance, the topic of the nature of leadership is included in Bernadette’s article. (Very well described, actually, as is the rest.) She also talks about the burden of Billy’s role, how a prophet is not welcome on his own planet, and she describes many of Billy’s all important qualities, among other things. (It’s all good and important stuff, and interesting too, but as mentioned, may have to wait to be relayed in more detail.) Ptaah speaks at length about the character and low development of those who engage in slander and insults.(Again, something most of us have probably largely read elsewhere.) He concludes: Ptaah:…Dummheit, Schwachintelligenz, Lügen, Verleumdungen und Verunglimpfungen nämlich lassen sich nicht durch Rechtfertigungen bekämpfen, sondern einzig und allein durch ein würdevolles und vernünftiges Schweigen und durch eine Nichtbeachtung. Dadurch wird diesen Elementen auch der Wind aus den Segeln genommen, die in ihrer Dummheit, Geringheit, Unwichtigkeit und in ihrer bewusstseinsmässigen Beschränktheit und Armut sowie in ihrer Einfältigkeit, Unvernunft und in ihrem Stumpfsinn nicht bemerken, wie sie sich selbst öffentlich blossstellen und ihre Intelligenzschwachheit zeigen. Ptaah: …Stupidity, weak intelligence, lies, slander and defamation do not allow themselves to be fought through justification, rather singly and alone through a dignified and rational silence and through a non-observance of it. Thereby these elements would have the wind taken out of their sails, they who, in their stupidity, smallness, unimportance and in their restricted consciousness and poverty of consciousness, also in their simpleness, irrationality and their blunt sense, do not notice how they lay themselves bare and show their weakness of intelligence. Billy and Ptaah make a few references to the interest the secret services take in Billy and his mission, how they always have done, and how the secret services and authorities are very interested and very keen on what they, FIGU, are revealing on the internet. 376. Kontaktgespräch vom 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h (Auszug) Ptaah … Ausserdem werden deiner Mission immer wieder Hemmnisse in den Weg gelegt, die darauf beruhen, dass unsere Voraussagen als unlautere Machenschaften bezeichnet und verunglimpft werden, was auch durch verschiedene staatlich-militärische Geheimdienste geschieht, die dich überwachen, wie uns wohlbekannt ist. Dazu dient auch das FIGU-Internet-Material im gesamten Umfang, das für die Geheimdienste sowie für gewisse Bundespolizeistellen, Behörden- und Regierungsstellen sehr viele willkommene Informationen liefert. Extract from contact 376. 3rd February 2005 Ptaah: …Moreover, your mission would always have obstacles put in the way, that rest on the fact that our prophecies are identified and insulted as being impure machinations. This happens through various national-military secret services that watch over you, as is well- known to us. Regarding that, the FIGU internet material serves, in the entire extent, to deliver very much welcome information for the secret services as well for those in certain federal police positions and positions of authority and government. Billy Das war aber schon immer so, und zwar seit ich mit meiner Mission an die Öffentlichkeit getreten bin. Auch weiss ich, dass in Bern neuerlich Fichen über mich angelegt wurden. Irgendwie, so scheint es, trauen mir gewisse Leute in führenden und geheimdienstlichen Stellen usw. nicht über den Weg, obwohl ich mich in keiner Weise politisch oder kriminell usw. betätige. Es scheint so, als hätten diese armen Irren Angst, dass ich politisch revoluzzerisch und umstürzlerisch tätig sein könnte, wofür meinerseits aber absolut kein Interesse besteht, denn einerseits graut mir vor den schleimigen politischen Machenschaften, und andererseits ist mein Weg der, die Mission zu erfüllen und die Lehre des Geistes zu verbreiten, um die Erdenmenschen der schöpferisch-natürlichen Wahrheit und Liebe sowie dem daraus resultierenden Frieden, der inneren und äusseren Freiheit und der Harmonie zu belehren. Und allein schon diese Aufgabe lässt es nicht zu, dass ich mich politisch betätigen könnte - es liesse sich in keiner Weise miteinander vereinbaren. Billy: That was already always the case, and indeed since I went public with my mission….(something going on in this regard in Bern, etc.) ... Somehow, it appears that certain people in leading and secret service positions do not trust me over(?)(in?) that way, although I am in no way politically or criminally active. It appears that these poor erring ones have angst that I could become active in political revolution and upheaval, whereby on my side, absolutely no interest exists because, on one hand I have an aversion to the slimy political machinations, and on the other hand my path is to fulfill the mission and to spread the teaching of the spirit and to instruct the Earth humans in the Creational natural truth and love as well as the resulting peace, the inner and outer freedom, and harmony. And this function does not allow me to be politically active. These things are in no way compatible with eachother. Ptaah Das ist richtig. Nichtsdestoweniger jedoch wird schon seit geraumer Zeit versucht, dich wieder zu verleumden, wozu den Intriganten alle Mittel recht sind, und zwar auch von seiten gewisser Geheimdienste, die sich in bestimmte Internet-Foren einmischen und bösartig mit Verleumdungen über dich herziehen. Gleiches geschieht aber auch von rein privater Seite ... Ptaah: That is correct. Nevertheless, however, it has already been attempted for a long time to again slander you, and to those concerned with the intrigue all means are right, and indeed also from certain secret services who themselves interfere in certain internet forums* (?"Foren") and maliciously draw slander over you. The same happens also from the pure private side … (end of translation) The Bulletin finishes with a sort of summary of the Meier/Plejaren contact case. It lists the astonishing number of contacts, both physical and telepathic, how many meetings have been transcribed, and published, numbers of photos, film segments, metal samples, sound sample, land traces and the over 120 witnesses, and finally Billy’s 36 different ET contact people, who are the Plejaren or they are with the rest of the Federation. (The Bulletin has a reminder about the May passive group member get-together.) * Like UFOUPDATES and the PAR list? Salome everybody! Dyson | ||
Jay_q Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 01-2005 |
Does anyone have any information about the greys from zeta for me, is it in any of the meier material? Any help would be appreciated... Thanks. | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 05-2003 |
Dyson, Danke schön für diese Informations. Betreffend des Dummheit geheime Dienste , die ich dann denke, dass sie werden lieben dieses zu lesen auch hier: http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm und auch dieses bei http://www.gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm Vielleicht durch das Lesen der oben erwähnten Seiten und auch diese Auszüge aus Figu Bulletin, dass du übersetzt hast mein freund,die sie ihre dumme Verstande und blinden Augen öffnen werden. :-) Translation Dyson, Thank you very much for these informations. Concerning the secret services, I think then they will love to read this: http://www.gaiaguys.net/666.htm and also this at http://gaiaguys.net/Herodesmason.htm Maybe by reading the above mentioned pages and also these excerpts from Figu Bulletin, that you translated my friend, they will open their blind eyes and silly minds. :-)  Salome Gaiaguys and all Figu Friends! Der Beobachter Edelweiß | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Jay Q, Have you read Contact 251 yet? It's under the ufology section on the figu main website just click contact notes and your there. Oh and don't be discouraged by the size of the writings, every paper is needed and probably even more, but there should be some mention of the Greys/Zeta's that you have been looking for, for quite a while now. There's also a possiblity of mention on this topic in other contacts. Your probably just going to have to read them all. Who knows, you might end up learning something. I always do. You'll love reading them. Salome Jay Q Tim | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thanks very much Dyson and your dear wife , for sharing all of this with us . Warm Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thank you very much, Mark, lieber Beobachter, et al. It is a great honour for Vivienne and me to be able to be the first to provide this important material to the people who need it the most - the English speaking world. But it is so slow and we take such pains to be true to the German on one hand, and still make it understandable on the other. Meanwhile, if you look at the opening page of our site, www.gaiaguys.net , you'll see that we are trying to do far more than we can sustain, and we do the translations simply because - for reasons we cannot understand - nobody else will. This is the only reason we work so hard. Incidentally, we have a little from Special Bulletin #17 about the WTC Massacre here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1075.html Salome all from Down Under, Djson :-) | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2005 |
I wish to bring up the subject of that perhaps it would be good, if it was known, that there was a Usenet newsgroup, that is approved by the FIGU, in which people know, that people can go to, for discussion about Billy Meier - The Plejarens, etc. Perhaps even to set up a special newsgroup on Usenet, for this purpose? This would surely be a good thing to do? To have an open discussion with any interested people on Usenet? The problem with this discussion forum, is that it can be confusing to go to the different sections here and find what you are interested in... It would be nice if there was a newsgroup named? alt.paranet.billymeier alt.paranet.plejarens I regularly use Usenet and find the format there good to use. Harvey | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 694 Registered: 02-2000 |
Kiwilove, Go for it. I tried a few years ago but didn't get it approved by those on Usenet who make those decisions. You may have better luck. | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2005 |
Hello Norm I don't know how to go about getting a new Newgroup set up on Usenet. I know that a public open forum should be set up somewhere, that is easy to use --- where people can go for such open and genuine discussions. It could be set up on any site, as long as it is there for the long term. I'm not really one to set things up, especially when I don't know what is involved. I know there are email lists available, but I found them not so convenient or easy to use. I do think Usenet is a good public forum option. I don't see anything wrong with using an existing newsgroup and spreading the word, that it is frequented by Billy Meier supporters. There are lots of newsgroups with little or no traffic. alt.paranormal.reincarnation has very little these days going on there. Whenever I mentioned Billy Meier in the alt.paranet.ufo newsgroup, you get the usual opinion, 'Oh - he's a fake for sure' answer - saying 'Case closed.' You try to say anything in Billy Meier's defence and you're not taken seriously. Harvey | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2005 |
Hello everyone I like to ask the obvious question - Is there an English FAQ available? Wouldn't it be a good idea if there was one written? Even an unofficial one, in which the most often asked questions can be answered in it? It would save the same old answers being answered time and time again from new people to the forum, etc. Just wanting to know the most basic questions, that anyone would ask... I know that there are important and interesting information being answered in these forums. I guess it is a lot of work to do, and it does require someone who is familiar with the Billy Meier Contact Notes / Talmud Jmmanuel / FIGU / etc to ensure that it is reliable and approved information being quoted. Someone who has read most of the forum posts, will probably have noticed how certain questions keep on coming up again and again? Besides the moderator. Harvey | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 457 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Harvey, Feel free to publish the following from me in the alt.paranet.ufo newsgroup. we could see how well informed and brave the members are: Dear UFO Researcher, A couple of weeks ago I invited, or if you prefer, challenged, a number of UFO researchers to look into the Billy Meier UFO contact case, or to refresh their acquaintance with it and to please let me know if, in their considered opinion, it is genuine or a hoax. Those are the only two possibilities, of course. If you were not one of those researchers, feel free to respond anyway, pass this on to someone who is, or just pass on the whole thing. So the rest of this letter is intended for those who are indeed UFO researchers, whether this is the first they are hearing from me or not, and further deals with my challenge: As someone who professes to be a UFO researcher, please advise me of your conclusions regarding the Meier case. If you say that it's a hoax, I'm sure you can prove that and I, for one, would want you to show me just how Meier did it and how he has maintained it publicly for over 40 years. If it's not a hoax, it's obviously the most important story in all of human history and I'd be wondering what in hell you've been doing in the so-called field of "UFO research" since you've ignored the very that thing you, as a UFO researcher, claim to be looking for. Certainly the nonsensical chasing after lights in the sky would be seen to be a rather meaningless charade if the Meier case is authentic (especially since so many of these lights may well be terrestrial craft, among other things). I have likened the situation to that of avowed elephant hunters completely ignoring the elephant sitting in the middle of the room. And while you may think that this is a rhetorical, or even mean-spirited, exercise it is neither. I just can't pretend that the emperor has clothes on when it's clear that he hasn't and, as far as I'm concerned, the UFO researchers collectively appear to be that emperor. Now some people have criticized my approach as harsh but still refuse to answer the simple yes-no question regarding the Meier case. Perhaps if I do appear confrontational it's because I perceive the importance of the Meier case to be far beyond ego or career considerations, as it pertains specifically and directly to our future survival (which you might know if you've actually troubled yourself to research it). So whatever loss of status, fame, income, credibility, etc. one fears will occur by dealing conclusively with the Meier case and its implications, these should be far below secondary to its monumentality, as I'm sure anyone with an ounce of integrity would agree...should it be genuine, of course. And, for those of you who chase after and earnestly report every so-called "sighting", I have to ask you this: to what end? Are you hoping to make a definitive pronouncement to the effect that there are extraterrestrial craft visiting our planet? And if so, so what? What then? What is it supposed to mean? Are the "space brothers" going to: Give us the secrets to "free energy"? Cure all our deadly diseases? Take you (or anyone else) off the planet? Intercede to stop wars and terrorism? Fix our environmental destruction? Of course, the answer to all of those questions is: no, absolutely not. And in case you're waiting for the government to 'fess up to a cover-up, that one's a big zero too. So, is there something else that I've missed, some other reason that one researches UFOs and adamantly ignores the only real, proven, still ongoing (63 years), proof and information-rich case in all of history? Really, have I missed something here or is it as painfully simple as it, and most of the UFO researchers, appear to be? We don't have any more time for this phony waltz about UFOs. It should be clear that their presence hasn't been intended to simply give us a new form of amusement, or to create a new career for us to pursue. I intend to hold the researcher's feet to the proverbial fire at every opportunity I get until I have heard a definitive answer from everyone who thinks they're anyone in this field. So, time's up, game's over, let's take a look at the score. Will history reveal that those who claimed to be most interested in, and qualified to research, the most important story in all of human history were actually the biggest impediment to it's revelation and applied value? Will we have an even more historically important replay of the Church vs. Galileo, this time referred to as the Church of Ufology vs. Billy Meier? Did we, "team humanity", win the game or did we lose because those who should have been playing with us, and for us, decided to play only for themselves and to keep the game going long after it should have been decided...and won? Michael Horn Authorized American Media Representative The Billy Meier Contacts www.theyfly.com Michael Horn | ||
Ascension Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2004 |
Punishment or Attonement arent real and dont happen naturally. Feelings of vengence and revenge to those who have wronged you are destructive to your spirits evolution. The consequences of the actions are enough in itself. An example would be killing sombody. The only good reason for jailing that person is to prevent them from killing again and maybe showing that person the error of his ways and how it is extremly harmful to himself also. I read this on the FIGU sight somewhere but I dont remember where, I 100% sure this is what was stated. Also to just trust FIGU and Billy as truth is very dangerous, that is how religion starts. Jmmanuel was a prophet and a very wise person but corrupt people close to him used peoples trust in him to better serve themselfs by putting words in their mouths. If all the people they lied to though about there words rationally they would have seen that they do not allign with what Jmmanuel actually said and taught. Dont let this happen to Billy! Think everything through. | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2003 |
Please, try these links Kiwilove, http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/interview.htm http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/why_billy_meier.htm Der Beobachter Edelweiß | ||
Larry_driscoll Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hello to all, I have compiled a 6 page email information titled "Useful Information" which generally exposes and describes Earhhuman religion disceptions with information taken from the: Billy Meier with Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Notes; the book, "The Talmud of Jmmanuel" and; other FIGU publications. To date I have emailed this information to: Jim Deardorff, Michael Horn, Wendelle Stevens, Norm DeCindis, Scott Baxter, Mark Campbell, Djson Devine and others and have obtained positive and information supportive comments from them. As well, recently FIGU's. Canada, Japan, Netherlands, South Germany, Mounds Oklahoma and the L.A Study Group have been sent the information. I would like to email send this "Useful Information" to you. It requires approximately 30 minutes to read and I would like to hear your comments in regard to its information contents. Possibly, you, also, may know of some one or others who may be interested in this information. Send me your email address. Sincerely, Larry email larrydriscoll@mchsi.com Larry Driscoll | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everyone. Here's a tiny snippet of unauthorised translation that you USAmericans should read thoughtfully. (FIGU Special Bulletin #19 April 19th, 2005) Gespräch zwischen Ptaah und Billy Auszug aus dem 376. Kontakt, Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2005, 22.57 h "Bezüglich des drohenden Krieges, der mit einem Ausgangspunkt im Mittleren Osten prophezeit ist, stehen gegenwärtig die Chancen nicht sehr gut, denn der amerikanische Kriegshetzer-Präsident Bush liebäugelt nicht nur mit einer kriegerischen Intervention im Iran, sondern auch in Syrien." Conversation between Ptaah and Billy Extract out of the 376th contact, Thursday, February 3rd, 2005, 11:57PM "Regarding the threatening war, which is prophesised with a starting point in the Middle East, the present chances are not very good (of avoiding it), because the American warmonger President Bush is ogling not only his martial intervention in Iran, indeed also in Syria." Peace in wisdom (war in ignorance) Dyson "Those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2003 |
Another Saturn moon found: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-05-11-saturn-moon-found_x.htm | ||
Cyril New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2005 |
The price of FIGU Educational Material : On recent view of the online Figue book shop I was shocked to see the prices for the various educational material offered. I'm making reference only to that information which comes directly from the Plejaran, such as the contact notes. How these prices are justified is a mystery to me since : - Apart from time spent typing texts, what other intellectual or otherwise work have the members contributed to the informations creation? - If you believe that justifying such a high price by wrapping the texts in hard covers and eleborate productions - cover art - your just fooling your selves. Why not just print them as Downloadable E-books, without any ornamentation. In the end I can understand the need to cover some living expenses, but it seems the group has taken this to be their main income, and on what basis : they did not produce this knowledge, it was given to them to share with the world! This represent a severe form of moral corruption and dishonesty...why? I'm not suggesting that you give away the material for free..but please consider how you release and price this information...remember you are only keepers not owners of the knowledge!: and on that basis it can hardley be justified that you may use it for your primary income. Nor is it anyway to teach the world - it costs roughly 710 CHF just for the contact notes!- and I'm not sure thats the complete set. I will provide my suggestion again for clarity : 1 - Sell the books as online Pdf E-books, this reduces printing and shipping costs. 2 - In coincidence or seperate from the above suggestion why not provide an alternative text which is soft cover and without any graphics or editing. Again its important to state that material offered which is off a 'digested' nature, that is summations and systemizations for instance, do not fit into thesame catagory. On a more speculative note: if infact we are comming close to the final years of our civilizations existance, would it not make the dissemination of this information an even greater priority? Cyril | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 12-2004 |
I'm sure you are right to a certain extent Cyril, but only a few people actually purchase the material and after all you probably wouldn't of even heard about the meier contacts if it weren't for the devoted FIGU staff. Almost all by the way have self supporting full time jobs (from what i've heard) But i do agree!!! that the contact notes should be released in pdf format. So maybe there can be some kind of compromise but surly I gurantee you there's a good reason why they havn't done it yet....maybe to ensure acuracy by copyright....after all isn't that what its all about? Thanks, Salome Tim | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2003 |
I think the problem is that once information becomes availible in electronic format it becomes ripe for piracy. Matt | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2005 |
Lets avoid speaking purely speculatively here Tjames - do you actually know how many people have purchased and continue to purchase this material? - I'm sorry I don't take anyones gurantee's. And off what relevance is it anyway how many copies they sold, in this context? How would releasing this information in the form off purchasable online E-books compromise the accuracy of the information? Seeing as how FIGU-Austria are the sole proprietors of the books? If anything it would increase the number of sales and exposure of the 'mission'. Not to mention production costs. If any sort of reply is to be had to my initial post, I would prefer if we left it to one of the members of FIGU. There is no point speaking in " I'm sure['s]" and "maybe['s]". And btw I thought they were volunteers not business associates? I would love to speak to Mr.Meier about this,as, if I recall the contact notes correctly, he saw this exact contradiction and refused to profit from the informations publication: when Semjase offered him valuable gem-stones. Cyril | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 12-2004 |
Cyril.. Than ask Mr. Meier because this is a "Discussion Forum" by the way Cyril. I'm sorry my words have no value to you, than thats just too bad. "Maybe" you can get your answer but I'm "not sure" that you'll like it. Oh by the way nice to meet you, Salome | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2004 |
I am a supporter of Mr Meier and of this mission if it in fact is the real thing. But I must also agree with Cyril. I do not feel opposition to paying for the cost of producing copies of the pertinent material but why must it be sooooo expensive. I have been unable to afford the vast majority of the texts/books which are supposed to be so important to us all. I have read the leaflets and booklets but I must concur with Cyril again that if this info is so important, then why is it so difficult for the "common man" to afford? This is just my honest opinion and it is not at all meant to offend. I hope this subject will be dealt with fairly. Thanks everyone... | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 713 Registered: 02-2000 |
There is plenty of free material online to get someone familiar with the case. There is no need to make everything free! The money made goes back into publishing new material anyway. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2003 |
I suppose it depends on the currency exchange rate for Swiss Francs in the country that you live in, but I do not find the FIGU materials expensive, rather I think they are relatively inexpensive considering this is a small publishing house, the quality of the paper & binding materials, etc. Having worked in libraries for years, and dealing with book prices, US$45 for a volume of the Contact Notes (Plejadisch-Plejarische Kontaktberichte; US$27 for the Semjase Bericht volumes) is a price that I find fair and reasonable. | ||
Tam2105 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hello everyone, I'm new to the forum and enjoy reading everyone's ideas and opinions. Personally for me, after reading so much new age crap that I bought into for so many years, I feel how can we NOT afford to buy this material?! I get laid off every summer from my job and I still make a point to buy something new. The truth and logic of the information Billy is working so hard to get out to the world hits you right between the eyes!! And Norm is right -- there is plenty to investigate for free on line. | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: I purchased material recently from the FIGU shop, additional material was added to my shipment (not free material by the way) + few stickers at no cost! This is not "severe form of dishonesty" at all! IF one goes on the FIGU-Schweiz site, there are above 100 downloadable file, in german though, totally FREE, on a variety of topics. If someone find this not enough, i am certain FIGU -Schweiz, or another FIGU branch would accept any kind of help to make their material more available (willing to spend time for this by the way?) Humans, at this stage of our evolution, must be willing and make an effort to access the teaching. The FIGU material is NOT for those who think any personal gains in spiritual development is effortless. My own small experience is that material must be thought and pondered carefully to get significant benefits in real life (it worked well for me so far) Regarding the "End of Times", it only exist in the minds of christians, the day churches are empty will be really the end of their world, as they imagine. Our civilization will not end, only the influence of western countries and religions (Christianism, Judaism) will vanish. And don`t worry, your spirit form will come back on earth, ... Peace Eric | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2005 |
David_chance - I have one of the books in my possession, I also think they are well made and well produced in general, but again its pointless in speculating on production costs. Its important to look at the cumulative purchase price of all the contact notes/reports, the number is hard to swollow even for the richest of us, and it would'nt make sence just to buy a single volume. What I'm suggesting are alternative means to distribute the material, I wonder how many here actually have the whole set of contact notes/reports as they appear on the FIGU Online store? Tam2105 - I think its important to consider the information as a body of questionable knowledge, not as the truth or the final word. As I do not have faith in man I do not have faith in the Plejaran. I'm certain that they exist, but until we can generate the evidence and true understanding of their claims it must remain as questionable and not be acted upon. Lastly its not a matter of the importance of this information, I'm questioning the moral principles of selling the note/reports from the Plejarans at a profit. Cyril | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 04-2003 |
Anything worth having is worth paying for. Something for nothing is usually just that --- nothing. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 464 Registered: 10-2000 |
I think that it's a mistake if one presumes that the typing of the notes is just a simple, one-time, anyone-can-do-it operation. Let's remember that they are typed out by Billy with one hand. This is an unbelievably demanding situation in itself as they are, of course, being transmitted to him telepathically in symbol form that he simultaneously translates into German while typing them out. Let's remember that German is a language with many capitalized words (nouns), far more so than English, for instance, which has a one-handed man doing quite a bit of intricate work (back and forth to the caps lock, etc.) as well. Let's also remember that the process of refining and correcting the notes, in order to accurately convey what was said, has taken much time; there have been ongoing revisions for the earlier notes for some time. Let's also consider that they have to not only be corrected, which is a process involving a number of people and much time, they also then have to be retyped and further made ready for publication. This also then involves further proofreading to make sure that the corrected translations are accurately conveyed in the final printed format. Apparently the Plejaren are also involved in the correction process so, while they don't get any money for it, they are very concerned that the translations are accurate and they give their time to this process. Then there is the layout of the actual book, which may include the insertion of corroborating published articles (at least I saw this in a book when I was at the center), another very time-consuming process, as is the reading of publications for articles relevant to the information in the notes. Let's consider that most all of this work is done by the FIGU members on a voluntary basis. Then the actual printing of the books, which are large and on high quality paper, must be considered. Since these are not run off in the very large quantities that result in much cheaper printing costs, they will also be more expensive to produce. Now, all that being said, it appears that each of the books in question sell for only 50 CHF or a little more than $40 U.S. per book. Exactly what is the problem with that? The U.S. version of Through space and Time sells for about $60 U.S. and, while it has many color photographs, it is considerably thinner than the FIGU books. Now, while these are just my quick estimates and responses, I think that they will be fairly accurate regarding most of the process. So I would advise not jumping to such unsubstantiated conclusions, with such an accusatory tone, before ascertaining and considering all of the facts. And the facts in this case must include Billy's difficult and demanding work and the contributions of ALL other parties, as well as the printing costs that are not determined by FIGU. While I have long suggested digital ebooks, I respect FIGU's right to publish as they see fit. No one is forcing anyone to buy any of the books. Michael Horn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 715 Registered: 02-2000 |
You can get plenty of free info at these sites. http://www.theyfly.com http://www.steemarkonline.com http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/index.php http://www.tjresearch.info http://www.avilabooks.com/writings.htm | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi Cyril i think you raise some valid points. I'm sure the FIGU have already thought of E files but that would open the door for piracy Matt | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi everyone, Concerning the topic of pricing spiritual information: If someone completely disagrees with this concept then I think it makes alot more sense to take a step back and study the circumstances of events surrounding the production of all Billy's spritual teachings but specifically directed towards the contact notes. 1. Billy's near death attempts in translation of thousands of pages from spiritual symbols into German. Need I not mention the dozens of assasination attempts... 2 Wendell Stevens tireless efforts and relentless and charitable investigation that inspired many high ranking and accomplished scientists and debunkers alike. 3 If everything Billy has ever claimed is true than a high level of respect and honor should be given to him and by paying a charge especially for the contact notes is a reasonable price to pay when comparing the strife which went into the production. 4 The costs alone are rarely surpased by profit.. so the theory that he is stealing a living soley through the profits of our purchases is erroneous... and if you're one of those people that acuses Billy of these proposterous deeds than you should be voicing your posts in the skeptical section because you clearly don't understand the full scope of the preliminary work that has been done and is currently carried out through Billy's past incarnations as well as the fact of his affiliation with other billions of ET's continually affecting us through the peace meditation and other praisworthy tasks, or for that matter the the mission as a whole. 5 It is true that our society demands monetary means to live and sustain oneself or a family and in Billy's case a farm. It would seem strange if a man is soley living off the profits of our purchases, but what if he is? And, what if he deserves to be able to benefit from the fruits of his endless pursuit to teach the truth? I think he deserves much more than what even the worst skeptic thinks that he is getting (monetarily). But his prize is not in the attainment of physical things but in the spirit just as ours is because he's as human as I am. Maybe in knowing that he assisted a society greatly would be the only thing that he would even benefit from. But, even this is unlikely and that's why I feel so pasionate about the contacts. They are passionate (concerned) about us and we should return the favor by thinking this through rationally. I'll pay the money, because after all what is money? Money is a certain representation of energy and energy has a certain flow, so let it flow so let it go when it needs to go and come when it needs to come. Thank You for listening, Feel free to discuss Salome Tim | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 642 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Michael, Excellent points, I personally don't think there is any monetary value that can be placed on the value of the information being presented in the Contact Blocks. Scott | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2005 |
Note - It seems that I have'nt made my point entirely clear, so in this post I will try to remedy that, aswell as commenting on certain posts. A retraction of my speculation upon FIGU's use of profits as a primary source of income is also in due. My apologies. However that was hardly the point of my posting. Key topic - The goal of the publication effort - My point All editing efforts considered: if one has not created/discovered the knowledge - if the goal is to release the information as quickly as possible, to as many as possible : What's the point to ornament the books? - To justify a higher price or? That is, to make the price higher needlessly when other more efficient avenues are available for their publication and distribution. At the same time I wanted to invoke a secondary consideration of the price, based on the moral principles involved in this issue.[Refer to my initial post] On this basis, it seems FIGU has taken the wrong approach in keeping with the mission objectives? So the question is why? Key topic - Must be read as a whole - Yes there is a problem with the current price, exactly because of this[above paragraph]. Purchasing a single volume is a pointless exercise. For the teachings to be of ANY VALUE they must be read as a whole. Why?...because the information is so vast its easy to loose context, the teachings are interdependent and therefore must be read in their entirety for a thorough understanding! Key topic - 800 CHF not 50 - So we are not dealing with a mere 50 CHF, the figure is in the vicinity of 800 CHF, and if we include shipping and handling, the figure grows. I'm not suggesting for FIGU to cater for all, or those in undesirable financial/economic situation, however this is a questionable figure for most people, especially when dealing with the purchase of reading material off this nature[*1]. Key topic - Piracy - As not to repeat my self again I have provided the solution to this problem in my previous posts. In concern to the problem of piracy, the risk is no greater then it is now. Infect with recent advances in the technology of encryption and a crack down on internet pirate groups the information will most likely be safer in E-book [Pdf is not the safest format] format. Plus you have the added bonus of faster and cheaper distribution, lower overheads, higher profits '=' everyone is happy. [Ref *1 : Key topic - The nature of the material- In scotts personal opinion this material is invaluable. However is it right to think that way? What value does it really have? It does not come from a renowned author. It is not written or authorized by any governing educational or scientific institution. And we cannot prove or disprove the majority of information with any great certainty.There are many further questions that could be raised. I don't wish to insinuate these facts as qualifiers for the informations[The contact note/reports] validity, however for any discerning mind, this material falls in to the category of speculative or occult. It is for this reason that the considerable cost of the material becomes even more questionable. And for this same reason why one must not take the opinion of scott as valid.[ This is not a matter of impression or interpretation] I must put a disclaimer on this last assertion, for if infect one is in the position to validate this information[The contact note/reports], scotts conclusion is the right one. Still, one cannot be complacent about the proper and fair trade of this material.] | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2005 |
Eric wrote: Quote -I purchased material recently from the FIGU shop, additional material was added to my shipment (not free material by the way) + few stickers at no cost! This is not "severe form of dishonesty" at all!-End Quite Well thats nice but you have'nt taken any contextual consideration. I think you have a point about - taking action. Infect I will contact FIGU to ask them about this very issue. I'm happy to scan and produce the FIGU material into E-book form for free. If they don't mind sending it to Australia that is. Cyril | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 465 Registered: 10-2000 |
Cyril fails to adequately address any of the points I raised, leading me to think that he is unacquainted with the realities of publishing a book and especially the unique circumstances concerning these books. It seems that he should give examples of his own experience in producing and selling a product of this nature rather than just make hypothetical comments. If one is unhappy with the price of something then they needn't buy it. To make assertions that there is something immoral in the pricing of the books is purely idiotic. As is the idea that it's "pointless" to read a single volume. Based on Cyril's "logic" one could say that any and all volumes must be sold at either no cost or one that meets his arbitrary criteria, for which he's given no substantiation. He questions Scott's expression that the material is invaluable, yet he is the one trying hard to get it by a rather questionable means. So he is at once devaluing the material and complaining about what it would cost him, a rather conflicted message if ever I saw one. It sounds like he's actually trying to delegitimize the books in order to pressure FIGU into lowering the price, a rather pathetic approach. Perhaps he should extend his particular path of reasoning and deduce that since (in his opinion) FIGU is unethical in its pricing, and since the Plejaren have not expressed unhappiness with FIGU's handling of the commerce (they cooperate with it), that the material should actually be avoided by him because, obviously, these parties are in collusion in some sort of fraud and, clearly, this would further invalidate and devalue the material. Michael Horn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 466 Registered: 10-2000 |
P.S. One other little item that no one seems to have mentioned here, and that Cyril completely glosses over when he says, "if one has not created/discovered the knowledge", is that these conversations were between Billy and the Plejaren. It is indeed HIS story as well. So he is not only the transcriber, etc. he is one of the principles in every contact. And while one would certainly well understand it if Billy wanted to charge really high prices for the books and exclusively profit from it, the fact of the matter is that it primarily goes to FIGU. And anyone who understands how any business works realizes that one takes money from the sale of one item to then produce another. Michael Horn | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 09-2004 |
Michael, information should be free! Those who want to buy the books and can afford them, will buy the books, they wont download and print them. But for those who cannot afford these books, it certainly should be free on the internet. If this information is really so important, nothing should hinder it being spread. We are actually talking about preventing a next possible WORLD WAR here. People on the internet complain about having to buy the henoch-prophesies to see if there is really something to it. Why does one have to buy them, when the real predictions is free on the ufology-section? And btw, I think you should refrain from using words like "idiotic", about people who is giving neutral critique about different subjects. That is also something I dislike by Billys words, most people dont understand to much of everything that has been written in this case, and that isnt strange. Think cause and effect instead of ridicule and "harsh" (i would in some occasions call it offending) words. Which is mostly negative for peoples understanding and will to learn about this, in my opinion. Who's talking about the worth and respect of any human... | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dplotmach, I don't think that people need to buy all the books just to prevent atrocities like a third world war. If you know about the Meier contacts through Horn, Figu website, Giaguys and so on than you at least have enough common sense or curiosity to investigate new levels of existence. Releasing all the information to be free will not simply solve the the third world war issue nor any other issue. In fact it may not do anything but de-value the worth of the spiritual teachings. Only common sense, clear thought, trial and error, and strife are and will be our saviors! Lets try to keep things reasonable here. Salome, Tim Although the spiritual teachings are very good and can help you look at life in a more correct manner, experience is even more important. | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 04-2003 |
I think the biggest "handicap" to the FIGU books isn't their cost it's the fact that they are primarily in German rather than English. Matt | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2003 |
If this information is really so important, if the goal is to release the information as quickly as possible, to as many as possible : What's the point to ornament the books? I believe a goal of the Meier case is to release information quickly to those who are ready for it. However, there is no need to release it widely, because the majority are not ready for it. | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2005 |
Note - I really should not waste time repeating my self again, but considering Mr.Horn's ill derivation of my motives and his complete inability to realise that my suggestions are for the better of the FIGU mission, I will try one more time. --- Subject - Reply to Mr.Horns Posts - Paragraph 1 - I ignored the first part of your post in concern to the editing and production process employed by FIGU because from the beginning I acknowledged the fact that these efforts deserve to be compensated. I also acknowledged that the price of the books in their current state is likely justifiable, however unnessarily high. Paragraph 2 - Mr.Horn Writes - A-["If one is unhappy with the price of something then they needn't buy it].B - [To make assertions that there is something immoral in the pricing of the books is purely idiotic].C - [As is the idea that it's "pointless" to read a single volume.] D - [Based on Cyril's "logic" one could say that any and all volumes must be sold at either no cost or one that meets his arbitrary criteria, for which he's given no substantiation."] This paragraph is so far gone off any reality or meaning that it requires a sentence be sentence deconstruction: A - I assure you I won't. The questions are, why am I unhappy , you have seen there are plenty others like me, why is that, and how can this be resolved, which is my endeavor in this whole 'exercise'. B - I have merely stated that the publication and profiteering from knowledge to which one may lay no claim of ownership is amoral [ Yes there is right and wrong]. Furthermore the objective of this statement stands purely as a suggestion to FIGU, if they are to reconsider their approach to distributing and publishing the contact notes/reports. As to the clarification of the term 'ownership' as it partains to this context : I must first state no disrespect for Mr.Meier and applaud his dedication to the 'mission'. However neither he nor the group can claim ownership of the knowledge given to them by the Plejaren, they may however claim monetary reward for producing the knowledge into intelligible readable form. This requires time , effort and funds, and should be the only consideration when pricing the material.[Contact notes/reports] For further clarification consider a scientists discovery of mass-free-ambipolar-radiation [ The discovery and identification of a new natural phenomena] .The difference is that one is a messenger and the other is a producer of knowledge. I'm referring soley to the Philosphical,Scientific,etc. teachings. Post two-Paragraph 1 - Mr.Horn Wirtes - "So he is not only the transcriber, etc. he is one of the principles in every contact." I fail to understand what you mean, what significant contribution does Billy make to the knowledge presented by the Plejaren? C - Why is it idiotic? provide some reasoning Mr.Horn. Indeed it is a pointless exercise and will inevitably lead to disinformation and a total misunderstanding of the information, I have provided my reasoning already. D - No this is not my logic these are the intellectual convulsions of a rationalist, that includes the last paragraph of the post in question. I have indeed provided both the rational criteria under which the contact notes/reports should be priced and the reasons behind them. I'm not gong to repeat my self AGAIN! Paragraph 3 - Mr.Horn wirtes - A - ["He questions Scott's expression that the material is invaluable, yet he is the one trying hard to get it by a rather questionable means.] B - [So he is at once devaluing the material and complaining about what it would cost him, a rather conflicted message if ever I saw one.] C - [It sounds like he's actually trying to delegitimize the books in order to pressure FIGU into lowering the price, a rather pathetic approach."] A - What exactly is questionable about my means? - That I'm trying to suggest more efficient methods to distribute and release the notes? - That I'm questioning the irrational approach of FIGU to spread the knowledge? Or that I'm stating the fact that people [the audience is everyone in this case] may think twice in spending such large sums of money for material of this nature? - is this wrong? - is time not against us? - are these not standing barriers to the FIGU mission objectives? B - As I mentioned already, the notes should be taken as purely speculative on first sight,their worth is determined by the readers ability to validate the information contained inside them, in any other scenario we are dealing with the reliance on fate. [The materials origin does not serve as automatic validator of the information, it is only a fools mind that knows otherwise.] C - I am doing no such thing Mr.Horn, pay attention and realise that I'm trying to help FIGU, and my self, for I would not spend all this effort writing to you and the others if there were no valuable outcome for me. Why do you think I want the notes?..why do you think I'm offering a more efficient alternative to the distribution and publication of the notes? I will tell you in brief so that no futher confusion may be wrought from my words. I am in a unique position to see the materials value, set by the standards I expressed above. That means that I'm able to validate a large amount of the Philosophical and Scientific knowledge in the notes [ I have note finished reading them all] or and that it correlates precisely with my theoretical knowledge. That is to say Mr.Horn, that I wish for people to know about it because I know it is the truth. And I think you will agree that it is a better world in which objectivism is the ruling standard for mans choice? I make no claims of expertise in any field however, I am a humble 20 year old university student. END Edited at request of author 6/10/05 | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2004 |
Cyril, If you were ACTUALLY trying to help on this issue surely you could bring something valueable to the table... but I havn't really seen this yet. Instead, you bring your university straped bicker seeming for some other motive with no relation or true concern for the acutual mission... because if you'd had true concern and or clear concience or even any measurable knowledge about the case you wouldn't even ask "WHY CHARGE FOR INFORMATION?" See, I first investigated this case back when I was a Junior in highschool, I didn't jump the GUN at every question I had inside of me... which was and still is fairly frequent. But, I struggled instead with some of the information, alot came naturally but with what didn't I researched for the answers to the questions and meditated on the answers that I didn't agree with and looked and looked until it made sense. I have yet to find any of the informatation or certain operations of the FIGU that does not make sense!! However, they definately are not perfect! I think all your motives are driven by a lack of money and a lack of knowledge. I tell you man, if you are ready for the spiritual info (on all levels) than the opportunity will povide it self. But don't get mad at us because you either don't have the cash or for some other reason.. who knows!? By the way I'm just a 21 year old student, which has no real relevance to anything. And to imply that just because you said END... the matter is completely understood. That's just silly! ___________________________________________________ Does everyone think this matter is solved? Honestly I don't think that this is an issue. The Plejaren have informed Billy how to operate with his given situation, (to the best of his abilities) the FIGU are going to do this anyway. Yeah Cyril, it had ended b4 you said anything because the FIGU has been informed from more intelligent sources on methods of operation. I agree END. __________________________________________________ Salome, Tim | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hi Tjames, I'm very releaved to finally meet someone my age actively interested in these matters. Paragraph 1 - I fail to see where I've stated - "WHY CHARGE FOR INFORMATION"? - In concern to the null value of my suggestion your asserting, may I ask if you could address the issues I've raised with your own suggestions and reasoning? - I have made it no secret that my motives are based in my own interests and those of FIGU. However I should mention that I have access to the notes already from a personal acquaintance. - How exactly have you measured my knowledge off the case? Paragraph 2 - I'm not mad at "us" - who is us? - What conclusions have I jumped to, recalling that providing valid reasoning does not constitute a "jump". - No need to speculate on what my motives are, I've already stated them all! Paragraph 3 - I'm sorry to have caused you some confusion, but the End simply signifies the end of the post. I though it a prudent addition since the communication is soo long. As to your final comments, it is a pure example of what I referred to in my previous post as a "..fools mind..", that is to say : It must be right because the Plejaren said so. Continue as you wish Tim, but if there are to be any further exchanges between us, I would prefer that you abstain from this type of trash-intellectuality. Cyril | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hi Jo_jo, How do you know the majority are not ready for it? I don't mean that question in any derogatory way, infect I think its a valid issue. If I may insert my own experince on such issues, mainly in the release of new scientific information: I found that people are becomming more open and considerate of alterative view points and knowledge contrary to popular conjecture. I can only guess [said with extreme sarcasm] because the world they live in crumbles on the edifice of 100 years of bad premises! Cyril | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 04-2003 |
Probably the simplest way to prove that the majority are not ready for Billy's teachings is the fact that more than half the world's population practices one of the four major religions (Christianity 1.96 billion; Islam 1.13 billion; Hinduism 0.79 billion; Buddhism 0.33 billion). Compare those totals to the number of people registered at the FIGU discussion forum. Last I recall, the number was still below one thousand. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2004 |
People have complained to me about my work not being freely available too, even though it only costs the price of a meaningless cup of coffee. IMO such complaints generally reveal something of the mentality of the complainer (here I'm NOT referring to you Cyril but those who want everything free). It is a mentality somewhat similar to that of the thief who thinks nothing belongs to anyone and anything wanted should be available for free irrespective of cost to the producer. Thieves may not think they are doing anything immoral or wrong; they have this similar elastic sense of ownership, which to them justifies their appropriating -- by stealing -- something that is not theirs that they think they should have, or just want. It is also the lazy way of acquiring something wanted without going to the trouble of working for it. While a few thousand years from now everything may well be freely available in a more developed world, such a world evolves, and seems to be intrinsically tied up with the evolution beyond a monetary economy as a whole. Until the entire monetary system is shown to be, or officially declared, obviated (on mass) the need for pricing will be essential. In fact pricing is likely to exist even after money as the medium of exchange is surpassed. All work costs. This is an immutable law that cannot be escaped. If a job is in need of doing, people need to be found who have the time to devote to the job and are prepared to work under the conditions and for the agreed reward to them for their time and efforts. IMO what hinders FIGU more in distributing its material is the refusal to accept credit cards. There is so much I would buy but cannot afford because bank drafts alone cost at least $50 a time and European currency is so difficult to calculate and come by here in Japan. I'm sure FIGU has its own good reasons for this refusal, but I'm equally sure it's hurting their pocket book. It only makes large purchases practical and after saving up the money the expenditure of so much (say a few hundred or more $) on FIGU material becomes extremely difficult to justify to other family members who have their own needs and desires. | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2005 |
Subject - Reply to Cpl - Hi Cpl, I'm glad you posted, I had not considered this element at all, and further adds to the question....WHY FIGU? I'm not content with the explanation of, "I'm sure FIGU has its own good reasons for this refusal..", is there not one FIGU-Austria member on these boards that can set things straight?..surely these are important questions to deal with? Aside from this, I wonder, if you don't mind Cpl, sharing with us some of the titles from your authoring/book production efforts? Cyril | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2004 |
Cyril, Yeah it's great to have someone my age involved and I'm pretty sure there are a few others too. I know Rubaiyat is 21 man were getting old (HAHA) All argue aside... I've been into the "UFO's" since I was like 6 so I've had a natural progression towards this field, but my mother gave me a jump start by letting me read her book about the billy meier case at 12. (moving towards roughneck discussion) Ok that's all fine and dandy but it doesn't change my opinion that the FIGU deserves every penny. Do you disagree with that simple opinion? To tell you the truth I don't mind whether you disagree or not concerning the operation of FIGU sales dept. but I am slightly concerned with the reasoning why you (seem)to think we all should get information either at a discount or free. However, I think I do share the same burning will and or desire to change and mold the world around me into a better place. (that is an assumption that you care too) I just want to know why argue water under the bridge. I'm speaking about when you said you already bought some of the spiritual teachings or some information that you havn't finished. When you were responding to Horns post. Did you think the quality of the material wasn't worth the price? Because that's what it seems like. (on a side note, I wonder how the plejaren recieve spiritual info... probably meditation and through excellent schooling... something we will only dream about hopefully through our advancing efforts will we be able to sculpt that reality) Just curious. Salome In fun, Tim | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2005 |
Tjames , I'm not interested in, or have any illusions about, changing the world into a better place, nor can I really claim the knowledge of what that "better" place might constitute, so I would like to correct you in saying that you speak only for your self. As to your final ponderings on how the Plejaren attained the knowledge of the 'spirit' and the right way of life for a human being : its simple, look,listen and learn. As to the means, they are Science and Philosophy and the single statement that : "In reality there are no contradictions". Even knowledge gained through dreams or 'impulses' serves no great purpose if it is not understood and validated in reality. For this, one requires Science and Philosophy, or if I may, a 'Natural Philosophy', for there is no real distinction between the two in the system I speak off. Luckyly for us, most of the concrete foundation has been already laid, ready for the construction of a new, tall edifice, of such great strength that it could only be compared to the Law of Indentity itself. The answers to 'who' and 'how' can be found in my post No.9, but your going to have to read it this time Tjames! No need to condemn such discoveries to the black abyss that is hope. Cyril | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Cyril, Re: "I'm sure FIGU has its own good reasons for this refusal.." There could be any number of problems with credit card purchases. Lots of folk and organizations still don't want to touch CCs online. As for my modest publications: These are pdf files on the "Meaning and Mythological Imagery in WingMakers Paintings." In short, the themes are "Cosmology" for Chamber 6 Painting, "Transformation of the Shaman and Human" for Chamber 17 Painting, and "Transforming of Humanity and the Genetic Mind" for Chamber 1 Painting. They are all available at www.wingmakers.com/reproductions or www.wingmakers.com/downloads, URLs below. A brief note on each as they may relate to Plejaren material: Chamber 6 Painting which I title "WingMakers Cosmology" presents a cosmology in many ways different from the Plejaren one; however the more I look into both the easier it is to see they could be talking about the same thing. Discussing and illustrating a universal cosmology invites far bigger variations in interpretation than the descriptions of the anecdotal two blind men each touching the same elephant and giving different descriptions. WingMakers e.g. say there are seven universes; yet reading more deeply one finds there are possibly a near infinite number of universes within each of those seven. While chakras are shown in Chamber 6 Painting these are not shown on any humans only the Higher/Overself or spirits beyond incarnating again as human. There is also no talk of the charkas as such, and they are not given any emphasis at all so far. Personally, I doubt they will be. When cropping up in discourses they have always been de-emphasized. Chamber 17 Painting is the easiest for a first read although longest at 56 pp, and covers mythological imagery of the sword, the latest in neurological brain research as it relates to spiritual experience, and Amerindian Rock art of the S.W. Chamber 1 Painting is the free download (hi or lo res). It covers the "Transforming of Humanity and the Genetic Mind." I think this will be of special interest to those interested in FIGU and the Plejaren material as it echoes and confirms so much of what the Plejarens have said. Namely this transforming will take approximately 700 years to complete. The Genetic Mind (GM) is basically the collective unconscious as psychologists see it except that the GM also covers the span of time of any particular species. IMO there are elements of this Painting 1 that clearly correlate to the FIGU diag. "Central Consciousness" at http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3785.jpg Bear in mind while reading that Billy and the WingMakers use different terms for what seem largely the same things, so APPROXIMATELY: Comprehensive consciousness block approximates the WingMakers Underivative Information Structures (UIS) in Painting 1. AA levels would appear to approximate Lyricus or WingMakers; and Petale the Archetypes of First Source; spirit or spirit consciousness in FIGU writings approximates soul or individuated spirit or wholeness navigator of the WingMakers. These are not to be taken as literal; they just may aid understanding on a first read as the papers use the WingMakers terms as defined within their glossary. Check the FIGU and WingMakers glossaries to confirm specific definitions and meanings. Moderators you may omit this last paragraph if you feel you should. For those with pathological concerns about price, a Canon printer will print these out at about half the cost of an Epsom -- at least in Japan. Links: www.wingmakers.com/reproductions/chamber1paper.html (free download) www.wingmakers.com/chamber6paper.html and www.wingmakers.com/chamber17paper.html | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2004 |
Cyril, I am not impressed with the development of our conversation/agressive arguement. Since I see no light at the end of the tunnel with our stagnated excuse for a debate I see no use in butting heads to simply win an arguement. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WINNING OR WHO'S EGO IS BIGGER! I care about the truth and I would be happy to see a discussion on another topic or heck even finishing the original discussion might be nice but I am not interested in FLAWED LOGIC and INCOMPLETE discussions. Thank You and good night, Salome, Tim | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Cyril, and other new and old FIGU friends! Well, well! The last time I checked this list we were still orbiting calmly around Saturn! I’ll try not to be too long-winded, as time (as ever) is tight, and I want to get back to reading the (just arrived!) 5th and 6th Kontact Berichte, which I’ll have more to say about soon, but I thought I had an obligation (Creational Directive, actually) to weigh into the robust debate about the cost and availability of the FIGU material. Let me just say that I’ve read almost everything FIGU has produced in English and German, and until you have that under your belt it is indeed puzzling why these vital data are not made more accessible. And because I’m at the extreme demographic edge in so far as (in)accessibility is concerned, for various independent reasons, I empathize with those who have to turn every coin over twice before it’s spent. Axiomatically, those few of us who recognize the true value of the FIGU material are generally not materially wealthy. Having now had the great privilege of reading these treasured books, I can say that they are cheap at almost any monetary price. I’d honestly happily pay ten times what I’ve been charged, and it would still be a bargain! Wait until you find out how your life will change for the better! “Transformative” is not too strong a word! Incidentally, I staunchly defend Michael Horn’s often harsh language of truth. We have learned that in these dark times on this planet, the truth MUST be delivered harshly, in order for its great elemental power to be unleashed. The Plejaren equate soft-soap diplomacy with duplicity, and I wholeheartedly agree. When we eschew potentially discourteous terms, we are not automatically making the described behavior disappear; we are just closing our eyes to it. This is obviously counterproductive. Another important point that many people are still unaware of – and it’s not really their fault – is that Billy is not JUST a “simple Swiss farmer”. He was also an indescribably wise and unimaginably ancient discarnate spirit form from the Arahat Athersata spirit level, (which can only be attained after 60 to 80 billion years of painful reincarnations) who – through his inconceivable love for Creation/truth/us all - freely chose to enter into a short round of (largely thankless) incarnations on this poor damaged planet. And this time he is also responsible for teaching the Plejaren a thing or three! He is the Prophet of the Golden Age of Wisdom, and in my long life (55 years) devoted to generalist epistemology, I have NEVER encountered ANYTHING even as REMOTELY wise and valuable as the FIGU material. Words simply fail me. As astonishingly worthy as the contact notes are, I think they are the least valuable of the books Billy has written/transcribed. OM would blow your mind, as would The 12 Commandments, An Open Word, Introduction to Meditation, Genesis, The Art of Living, etc. etc. Sell your watch and your television if you have to and buy these books (and a big German-English dictionary!), and learn German by reading them in order to let the Kodex start to do its work, and there’s no looking back! Cyril, before you buy more contact notes, have you got Michael Horn’s DVD, And Still They Fly and (most importantly) the Talmud Jmmanuel yet? And I hope you’ve found David Chance’s hard work @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier/htm I can think of several other logical reasons for FIGU’s initially counterintuitive approach to publishing. There is an inverse correlation between the newness of an information storage system, and its physical endurance. Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets are still legible after millennia. I’ve got cheap paperback books that have browned and simply shattered after a couple of decades. Videotapes from the 70s are already badly degraded. And I wonder about these high-density CDs/DVDs? Billy knows lots of things about our shaky future, and is more than smart enough to know that the information he is providing now will really only start coming into its own in the upcoming centuries, when FIGU’s very high quality books will still be serviceable and we may be reading them by fire light, if we’re lucky, and .pdf files may be a dimming dream of a bygone age. Please don’t begrudge the cover art. Are flowers grey? And look at what (New Testament) Matthew & Co. did to the Talmud Jmmanuel, and you can get an idea how these renewed teachings can be corrupted and disseminated if they were in a more accessible digital format. Finally, and very importantly we are taught that “streben” (striving) is an absolutely ESSENTIAL component of learning … in direct proportion. And learning is what it’s ALL about! We prepare ourselves for the iconoclastic truth by straining hard and reaching high to grasp it. It’s safe to say it would be dangerous to let all this out in English now. The English-speaking world has MUCH to learn first about the current state of things, and what’s REALLY going on behind the painted scenery! I hope, Cyril and others, this explains some of the otherwise inexplicable reasons behind why it’s not likely that Billy and friends are likely to change the way they do things any time soon. Congratulations to everybody for a vigorous and logical debate, conducted with love, patience and a refreshing respect for truth. Peace in wisdom, Dyson (a.k.a. Djson der Vorausschauende) | ||
Rubaiyat New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2005 |
Tjames' and Cyril's debate is very entertaining to read :D !!! I have exams at the moment so i just need to concentrate on passing them for one more week and then i am FREEE! Wow so where do you ppl live: Tjames and Cyril? its fun having 21 year olds around... and not surprisingly doing the venting in this forum. I live in Sydney, Australia (the same city as Dyson and Vivienne). Have you visited their site? www.gaigaguys.net I am glad there are ppl in close proximity. I was hoping since i cannot buy every book at the moment, Dyson would help me out... and he has. Dyson, so how did you guys learn German... by just getting a German-English dictionary or doing a German language course... what would be the best way? Cuz i want to read the german texts... especially OM. Rubaiyat | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dear Dyson, I must first thankyou for the gust of fresh air, just blown through, which at once has washed the stailness from this dicussion and opened the doors to its conclusion. I aknowledge the reasons you have presented[paragraphs 11 & 12 in your post], on the matter of the method employed by FIGU to release the contact notes/reports, as valid. I'm doubly convinced off this fact from my experince with some of the members and readings from this forum and my own professional and personal experinces with people - I'm referring to the sickness' of subjectivism and dogmatism, or to be further succinct, the contrivance of ignorance as the higher becomming of truth. To correct you, this is the barrier you speak off, not merely an ignorance of the current state of the world and not just the, "English-speaking world." I have one other comment I would like to make, in concern specifically to your paragraph 6 : One must first make sure that his words are based in reality, that his ideas bear contextual basis and are internally consistant, and lastly he must check his motives for the presence off emotionaly born subterfuge - Then he may speak/write. I think this is what the Plejaren meant, but is not for one second the manner in which Mr.Horn has conducted himself in this discussion. You might have observed that there are certain parts of your post which indeed warrent response, but I have ignored. On these subjects and others I have to add, I wish to speak with you privately. If you will grant me the time, my email is: k_man_mango@hotmail.com. Regards, Cyril | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dear CPL, thankyou kindley for sharing with us the titles of your publishing efforts as well as your prudent explanations and notes on the WingMakers material. This is a totally new discovery for me and very exciting indeed. I'm currently in the process of reading your work and the other material presented on the WingMakers website, I'm very impressed. I suggest you proivde, for people who value your work and wish to see further efforts being made, a means to donate to this cause.( I was'nt able to locate the option to do so on the website.) Thanks again for sharing this interesting information. Regards, Cyril | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Rubaiyat, Yeah I've got another buddy that's interested in the contacts who's my age. We both live in Columbus, Ohio (US). He's still in the process of getting aquainted with the contacts and for logical reasons most likely needs more validation before he would get involved into the forum. And speaking of Gaiaguys.net I find it's a great cite to get discussion material that has a variety of complete (news related) and generally up to date UFO research with the same ring of truth as the FIGU's got. Although they focus slightly more into the mainstream issues as well as all other concievable topics but for good reason. I like it alot! Getting the Spiritual info is the highest on my list so i'm doing what Dyson suggested I do which is get a huge German Dictionary... I assume German/English and start picking it up as quickly as i can. I wonder if I will be able to find translations for the spiritual terms? I can't wait for the OM and the meditation books. I've wanted these for years but have only now seriously attempted to tackle German. Salome, Tim | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 05-2005 |
Hi Rubaiyat, I'm from Adelaide,Australia. I'm disappointed that you say : 1 - "Tjames' and Cyril's debate is very entertaining to read :D !!!" 2 - "...and not surprisingly doing the venting in this forum." Personally I thought it was a waste of time and a rather sad display, especially on the side of my 'counterpart'. I've been studying the German Langauge for about 2 months now , my approach is somewhat more orthodox: First I aquired some books on the Theory of Concepts and Concept formation[more a philosophical treatment]- Following, I started reading books on linguistics and effective methods for learning laguagues - Lastly I talked to many people about the best German Text books, the people at http://www.learn-german.com/ were kind enough to help me with this problem. I have 2 other langauges, other then English, under my belt, so its not so difficult the 4th time around. Cyril | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again, all! Thanks for the kind words. I stand by my defense of Michael Horn’s unimpeachable motives and methods. Anyone is free to write me at gaiaguys@nor.com.au , but I won’t have time to do private correspondences justice, nor do I encourage them for obvious reasons. Information should be free to all who want it. And I don’t have time to scratch myself. And Rubaiyat, why do you maintain the idea that we live in Sydney? Sydney is a strange planet to us. We live in the bush in another spacetime configuration! ;-) www.gaiaguys.net/location.htm I was stationed in Germany in the USAF, and picked up conversational German there www.gaiaguys.net/radar.story.htm but Vivienne and I have done the rest with a big English-German dictionary and by listening to the German language news every day on our SBS (Special Broadcasting Service) TV station here in Australia. We are compelled to learn this stuff, apparently for mysterious reasons to do with something our spirit forms were involved in about 389,000 years ago … according to OM. Go figure! Cheers! Dyson P.S. - Here’s a little contribution from my true love: Hello, (Vivienne here. I'm Dyson's other half.) To all those who are interested in learning German, I thought I'd add a note about how I have gone about it. It's sensible to consider our personal circumstances in regard to this, of course. For me, language and writing comes fairly naturally compared to other things so that's fortunate to begin with. Secondly, I have Dyson who was already fluent in conversational German when I began learning. So I have a live in teacher and someone who I can practice speaking with. Also, our lifestyle sometimes includes quite a lot of time spent working the vegetable garden and orchard and so I have had plenty of simple work time which provides a chance to learn words while my mind isn't too preoccupied. I simply took advantage of my impatience to absorb this material and began learning from the things I was most impatient to read. I then simply made a list of the main words in the first paragraph and wrote down their meanings taken from our big German dictionary. I learnt them while I dug the garden. (It makes a BIG difference to practice on words you love rather than ones you are indifferent to.) Then I came back and made a list of the smaller words and learnt them. Since a quite good English translation appears alongside Semjase's Introduction to the Spiritual Teaching I could learn a lot from comparing the two. (Always keeping in mind that my first understanding of the German words would be likely to need some revision at a later date.) Happily, having learnt the words in the first paragraph, I found that they were repeated over and over again in the rest of the piece. So the job of learning the remaining words was not so daunting. This was pretty hard work, of course, but it was methodical and efficient as far as getting the words into me that I most wanted to read (rather than learning about going shopping or finding a toilet in a foreign country etc. which is what happens with formal courses.) and I felt I had absorbed much of the spiritual lesson in the process. So although, after two years of doing this I can now read most of the German texts with just a moderate amount of help from the dictionary I still don't know some very ordinary words that might be useful in a conversation. But that will be relatively easy to learn now having done the rest. Also, with reading, which is all I need to do for the moment; I can go at my own pace. My German speaking is not very advanced by comparison. I also used the FIGU booklet, Interview With a UFO Contactee to learn from, since it also has both the German and the English side by side. Months later, now we have bought the video tapes of that interview and I can practice hearing those same words from Billy, rather than reading them. Anyway, I really just wanted to make the point that the above process worked really well for me in my circumstances and with my nature, and such a home tailored training course could work to a greater or lesser extent for others with the same kind of drive. I will be studying some German grammar books too so that I cover all the ground thoroughly, hopefully sooner rather than later. All the best with your efforts! | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Cyril,Re: "I'm currently in the process of reading your work and the other material presented on the WingMakers website, I'm very impressed. I suggest you proivde, for people who value your work and wish to see further efforts being made, a means to donate to this cause.( I was'nt able to locate the option to do so on the website.)"Thank you for your offer of donation, but there is no way for anyone to donate to the WMs work or mine other than buying the CDs, DVD, Painting prints and my Chamber Painting essays. If you really want to make a donation I suppose you could just order something from the website and tell Mark to keep the change, but Mark has his own full-time job too. I need, and would like, to retire in order to continue full-time work on the WMM, but this is just not an option at the moment. Living expense in Japan, until I can relocate to Australia, are very high. The WingMakers material (WMM) is essentially free and made for the Internet. The reason for the charge on my papers is we (Mark the website manager) and VOICE (Japanese publisher and workshop sponsor) plan to publish books on these in the future and if they are freely available the market for books will be undermined. We do think that it's best to have both books and the Net info available. Depending on what transpires in the future Net info could become largely unavailable to many, and in that case books will be invaluable, as Dyson pointed out in a recent post.I'm currently working on two more Chamber Painting papers that I hope can be out witihin the next two years. One is planned to be free, the other for the usual charge of a cup of Starbucks. I have a very busy schedule with my full-time job -- so busy I occasionally have to just take days off due to overwork. Enjoy the exploration.Excuse the lack of paragraphs; my computer connection has lost that function here and it's easier to read without the 
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Ascension Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2004 |
Is learning German actually promoted as opposed to English? OM is not authorized to be translated and same with much other information! Is there a stated reason for this that anybody can recall? I would really love to read more material but it seems I have exhausted all english information in the internet. | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: Just adding on Dyson comments: "Billy knows lots of things about our shaky future, and is more than smart enough to know that the information he is providing now will really only start coming into its own in the upcoming centuries, when FIGU’s very high quality books will still be serviceable and we may be reading them by fire light, ..." I have the intuition that this applies more to language (the American-English) than the physical support. Which language will be spoken in the future? Salome Eric | ||
Rubaiyat Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dear Ascension, You will find an answer to your question here... http://www.gaiaguys.net/kodex.htm and some stuff on the OM http://www.gaiaguys.net/OMintro.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/Om.htm http://www.tjresearch.info/OM.htm Fond Regards, Rubaiyat | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Ascension, (You saw www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm?) There are good reasons given by the Plejaren why they use German. It's the closest to Old Lyran and thus the only language suited to the Kodex. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/Kodex.htm) And it is the best for communicating spiritual teachings. I just read in Kontact Berichte #5 that it is "the best language for Earth", and the USA has been trying to destroy it (and all the others) in order to advance their evil plans for world domination (which comes unstuck, as the farce it is, early in the 21st Century). (And the European Union is "The Beast - 666 - ANTILOGOS"!) More to come from 5 & 6! Please in wisdom, Dyson | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2004 |
Great point Eric Correct me if I mis-interpret your meaning here Eric! That just adds one more piece of logic helping explain the reasons why the Plejaren instructed Billy how to do numerous tasks. One task being the focus of German material as opposed to English. Partially because they speak German in Switzerland but also because the English language may not get the last word (say so to speak). Your intuition may be right that German could be around longer than or at least more widely spoken than English in the not too distant future. The Henok prophecies speak of complete destruction to America (English speaking) and large portions of Europe being over-run (another major english speaker although not completly english). So if this prophecy with untold amounts of destruction worldwide occurs, than it's a great possiblity that the English language could quite possibly be extingushed. Even though this may not happen this still can't be ruled out as a possiblity and stands as grounds to publish larger portions of text in the German language, which if this is the reasoning the Plejaren used and consequently the figu, it makes alot of sense. I have just figured another reason why they would instruct Billy to make the majority of his writings in German. Clearly it would be wise to look not only down the road into the future but at the current road too. In this case the present state of German and the fact that the language has a few more spiritual terms than english, if not the most terms of any other language as it is partially derived from Lyrian. It's logical to choose a language with the most accuarate and abundant words to express the Spritual Teachings and all other works in greatest accuracy possible. Sadly, in the henok prophecies Quetzal states at the end of the writing that not only there is still a chance that this could happen but that it is un-likely that we will change for the better. (not exact quote) So we must change! Not for the sake of English for thats the last thing I care about, but so that we can have the choice to speak English for the next incarnation! Salome, Tim | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tim & others, As "coincidence"(?) has it, I just read Quetzal's comment in book #5 this morning. (BEAM says, when it comes to Creation, there is no such thing as coincidence.) The good news is that this comment form Quetzal was written in 1987, and the context and substance of these continuing conversations suggest that things may not be so bleak after all, as much is said about these current times and the near future which suggests that WWIII may not be so close after all. The Plejaren speak of wrapping up their mission here completely in 2029, for instance. Likewise, the Jeremiah and Elijah Prophesies sound like a linear extrapolation from WWII, and not at all like current reality. I think that we may yet avoid doom. Remember that we were told that pope John-Paul II would live only a very short time? Wrong. Let's maintain our "optimistic equanimity" and allow the monstrous power of thought to do its work. :-) DREAM! FANTASIZE about our bright future, and work to fulfill that wonderful dream! This is a strongly stressed spiritual teaching that is suppressed by religion. See what’s possible - www.disclosureproject.org Cheers! Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 647 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Dyson, If what is said by the Plejarens is true regarding the year 2029, then is it foreseeable that Billy's Mission will also come to completion at that time? Since the Plejarens have always maintained Billy is the only one having contacts with them, I would assume their reasons for being here would cease once Billy has passed away. Whether it's coincidence or not, isn't the year 2029 the end of the transition period between the Piscean Age and the Aquarian age? Salome Scott | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2004 |
yep Dyson, I never did think coincidence existed either, and especially since I met my new friend who's like minded as I and we have both recently and specifically on the topic of "coincidence" have proved it to be just a concoction of mans lack of knowledge. We have proved numerous seemingly impossible feats such as telepathy, so-called random events occuring with "perfect and precisioned timing" something for the past 3 years I have refered to as synchronicity instead of coincidence. But, you are reading the teachings probably as we speak and most-likely have a better insight and understanding as to the actuality of these things than I. But it is very comforting and thought provoking to just know that there is a force, a creative force behind everything we think, see, taste, touch, smell and percieve.(did i leave one out) Oh by the way I got an German/English dictionary today. Oh it's nice, and big too. It cost a pretty penny but for what it will be used for it's well worth the price. I have to now buy all the books. I already have alot of English but I will start with the OM and Meditation books. That should take a year to translate. And for the prophecies, I was actually not aware that pope john paul 2 was supposed to have a short stay but maybe it was good that i glossed over that, or maybe it was just sychronicity. I can imagine my spirit sending me an impulse to skim over material that isn't "pertinant" or "beneficial" to simply show me the truth because that's all spirit knows! Yes, I do plan on keeping very positive... but not without a neutral counter part so as to ensure the positive progression. Oh and speaking of Dream and Fantasizing, I know you are not supposed to think of anything but "SALOME GAM NAN BEN URRDA GAN NJJBER HASALA HESPORONA" during the Peace Meditation but do you visualize the world in a more peaceful state or do you simply stick to the phrase? I used to visualize my interpretation of peaceful things but internally realized that it probably is just impeding on the affect of the REAL meditation. So maybe the (the dream and Fantacy could be a continual thing) like 24/7 try to be in a state of continual creativity, openness, visualization, and harmony. This is something I have tried to do, and fairly succesful at times since i was a highschooler, and that is to completely control your mind. Cheers Tim! | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 05-2005 |
Is the work of the Plejaren not primarly completed, as it concerns Mr.Meier? ***** When one looks at the everincreasing poverty of the majority of sciences and humanities, most prominently in Philosophy and Physics. When one realises that these are all man has for his survival, then, one understands that no optomism may be had in this putrid 'air' if inellectual bankrupty. Despite my usual disposition that chance and probability are a rationalists means to knowledge, I suspect that the probability of our survival would be somewhere around, P = 0.000000000125 thats 1 in 8000000000.[The approximate ratio of FIGU baord members to world population.] Lets not lie to ourselves here : calling upon the words of Dyson ,"..truth MUST be delivered harshly[..and accepted as such], in order for its great elemental power to be unleashed.", whatever that "elemental power" may be? Cyril | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, Tim, Cyril, et al! Yes, Scott, the truly awful Age of Belief is officially over on February 3rd, 2029. Good riddance! But The Mission, as led by FIGU will apparently be required to continue for centuries, as it may be millennia (according to something I read this morning from Quetzal – who is now a fully trained ISCHWISCH, by the way) before the affliction of religion is finally conquered. Billy provided/is providing still the renewed teachings to us earthworms in great abundance and will not be required to do more in the future, in so far as I can ascertain from all I understand of what I’ve read. Tim, the distinction has to be made between the very special state of non-thinking consciousness that is attained during meditation, and our waking thoughts, fantasies and daydreams which we of course consciously direct. These tap the monstrous power of thought and are the required first steps to bringing anything into being. If we are to have peace on Earth, first we must imagine it, and then work to fulfill that dream. Be careful that you maintain logic in dealing with and thinking about things, and not misinterpret semi-subconscious inclinations as spirit. It’s easy to do at our level of evolution. Spirit is subtle … Earth humans less so. Here’s a short quote about pope JP2, from contact #113, dated August 6, 1978. Quetzal: 122. This John Paul II., whose true name Iskarol Wojtyla, as third from last will function as 264th Pope and Vatican ruler before the great turning point of the Earth world, while behind his back malicious intrigues are established and he will reap the blame that Israel can enter into a pact with the Vatican. 123. After his demise, which will already be in the near future, however, of which I am not allowed to officially release the date of death and the circumstances etc., but may only give them to you alone namely on . . . an additional Pope will come on the scene, about whom the people of the Earth will be amazed, as this has already been the case with his two predecessors, only that with him this will occur to a much greater degree.(etc.) Cyril, I’m a little concerned that you may not yet be quite up to speed about some basic points to do with Billy & Co., which is why I asked you if you had read the English material yet. You have yet to reply, privately or otherwise, and a more adequate familiarity with the material would not only answer some of these questions, but also probably alter your audacious statistics, which are quite silly, I think, given that I hardly think you have sufficient data to take things to so many decimal places! And one of the goals of spiritual evolution is to be able to achieve a state of spiritual poise which allows for (beneficial) “optimistische angelassenheit” (optimistic equanimity), not to be confused with (detrimental) positive degeneration. In these vast renewed areas of knowledge, some basic landmark terms have to be learned through long study. It is not quick and easy. It is long and hard. But it is a joyous undertaking which is not burdensome. We are taught that truth is an elemental power in so far as it is not a subset of any other power/force except of course Creation itself. Always bear in mind that Creation - which, as a fragment, as spirit, enlivens us – is a living conscious omnipotent and omniscient entity, based on truth and of course love/wisdom. Wisdom can only be wisdom if the knowledge it comprises is real (true). This is one reason I’d ask you to please clarify your allusion that we are lying to ourselves. It’s a very serious observation on your part. And beware the limits of traditional rationalism, (and ideologies in general) as you are also well advised to beware the limits of (open) science, which is pure Hollywood. (See www.cheniere.org). If you are as lucky as I have been, you’ll live long enough to start to know that a lot of the things you thought you knew you only thought you knew, and you are much more ignorant of the level of your ignorance than you ignorantly thought you were. Due to Earth humans genetically engineered (by malign ETs) progeria (lives shortened by 90% to keep us stupid) we don’t even get out of our emotional/intellectual puberty until our 50s. About the time we become adults our brains are turning into mush and we shuffle off to the next stage! On that cheery note, Cheers! Dyson | ||
Cyril Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dyson,....then I will ask you here : - by what standard and by what means have you uncovered the value of the Plejaren teachings? ...to speak with such authority on 'THE CREATION'. - Pragraph 5 - - I have not read any of the english works fully. I'm reading TJ atm. But I have gained an extensive knowledge of the case through a number of media. I am aware of the case for about 3.5 months. - I was merely having fun with my statistics paragraph. I'm quite aware those figures are bogus and don't mean a thing. - Although inadvertently, I have studied the Philosophy and Science presented by the Plejaren for two years prior to my knowledge of the Meier case. - Paragraph 6 - - Until now I have not seen any attempt at a proof of these statements - at these forums, by you or TJ. If you were waiting for a request, then here it is. Dyson writes : "We are taught that truth is an elemental power in so far as it is not a subset of any other power/force except of course Creation itself. Always bear in mind that Creation - which, as a fragment, as spirit, enlivens us – is a living conscious omnipotent and omniscient entity, based on truth and of course love/wisdom." That is not to say that I'm ignorant of the proof's[by my own derivation], but merely that you all seem to accept 'Creations' directives and Laws without considering any proof what so ever.[I'm referring here to a Philosophical proof.] - I think its clear enough, but apparently not so. Such is my vain that I must ask what it is exactly your holding on to? Have you not realized that the human race has been killing itself, however slowly, for the past two hundred years? - By means of the will for power![As apposed to Nietzsche's will to power]And finally we have reached a zenih, not as crowning achievement, but as the lowest point in mans history. - Paragraph 7 - - I stress to you that my age should not be considered an indicator of the extent of my knowledge - I have been beaten many times before, hard, with the bloodied thorns of ignorance : Dyson Writes : "And beware the limits of traditional rationalism, (and ideologies in general) as you are also well advised to beware the limits of (open) science, which is pure Hollywood. (See www.cheniere.org)." I ask again however, by what standard of proof and means do you invalidate ,www.cheniere.org, and make such sweeping claims as those present in the above quote? [Note - One should not conclude my support for Mr. Bearden's Theories.] - Paragraph 8 - - Same questions apply to this paragraph. - Dyson writes : "...we don’t even get out of our emotional/intellectual puberty until our 50s" I think your generalising far to much on this issue. If we ever meet in person I will show such an alternate case. Cyril | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thank you Dyson.. for pointing the truth out. It must be my pre-intellectual/emotional pubic stage speaking first with excitement and secondly without clarity. If it had been clarity first (implying writing in a manner that clearly depicts an accurate assessment of what I meant to say and what I actually know) you might have read something a little closer to the truth. Although, I must say I am honored to be associated with people who can and will help people with what they have experienced. It truly is priceless!! Whether everyone sees it as this or not the facts are simply the facts. Someday in the future... since the figu discussion board will last long after even my death (with help from growing numbers of dedicated members), I will one day share my wisdom, as you put it "my intelectual/emotional puberty will have taken its course and matured later; which I completely agree. I only need to look at my father for an example of this as he just turned 50. Hopefully the aging gene will be isolated as research and techniches evolve. If my life takes me or I take my life this way I maybe a factor in developing gene technolegy and maybe when my dream is fullfilled I won't have to worry about aging when the golden age of intelect is upon me. Peace in Wisdom, Tim | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tim (thank you for the flowers!) Age is not everything, as you well know! Wait until you read some of the stuff Billy wrote when he was SIX! And no amount of truth or reason can conquer other people's stupidity, as we are taught. ;-) Dear Cyril, These facile questions of yours cannot adequately be answered by me, for you, for logical reasons you have yet to learn. The answers are available within the free on-line English language material, but you must read them, and understand them, and then process them adequately internally and logically before you will truly KNOW them. This is what I have done (extending into the extensive German language material) to speak with such authority. My expertise is relative. Have you read (and not believed, but understood) Semjase’s Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings? Their proof comes from a logic-fueled internal transcendent cognizance. I am personally offended by you putting the Creation in quotation marks, Cyril. Please either get with it or confine your future insultingly ignorant comments to the section FIGU reserves for skeptics. You are off to a bad start on your very long journey down the long and narrow path to the truth. Unlike you, I’m doing my homework and the path is behind me now as I have found the truth, and am eagerly exploring this realm. When you’ve done what I’ve done you’ll change your tune, unless you are fool, and I don’t thnk you are. As I wrote to Tim, your age is unimportant to me … I’m merely conveying what we’ve been taught by the Plejaren about Earth humans’ intrinsic immaturity, and judging you by how and what you write. If you think that we Earth humans (not the “human race", as you put it) started our suicide in 1805, you are sadly uninformed. Please read And Still They Fly. And please don’t put words in my mouth. I did not mean to make anybody think that I was knocking Tom Bearden. Sorry. Quite the opposite. Bearden does not deal with “open” (Hollywood) “science”. You’ve not looked at my website. I would have hoped that as much tub-thumping that I’ve done here about the Disclosure Project would have precluded you reaching that erroneous conclusion. Sorry that I didn’t pick up on your sardonic humour about everybody going to die, but I did properly identify it as silly, so I almost got the joke. :-) At the risk of sounding like your mother, Cyril, DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Cheers! Dyson P.S. Kontactberichte Block 5 is a KNOCKOUT! Stay bookmarked! On to #6! | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Tim and all: My intuition is more based on historical perspective, by making an analogy between the roman empire (latin, unspoken now since centuries) and the USA, considered to be the "new roman empire". As these empire get very powerful they degenerate over time, and thus the language stop to get used and is transformed. I find your interpretation from the prophecies correct, considering the fact that current Bush Administration attitude toward the world may cause WWIII thus accelerating the natural degeneration or destruction of this human empire based on military might. Salome Eric | ||
Cyril New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2005 |
Dyson, I unrespectfully wish to stop any further communication with you on this subject and indeed any other. Your actions and my readings of past postings in this forum have convinced me that my participation here will not help me to further validate the Philosophical and Scientific information provided by the Plejaren. And So this will also be my final post. 1 - Before I go however I would like to make the concession that I was complacement in the following quote from my previous post: "Have you not realized that the human race has been killing itself, however slowly, for the past two hundred years?" Despite the erroneous date, is it not infect the truth? And the date mostly irrelevant? 2 - Nothing else in your last post is off any substance or truth, Dyson.It seems from our communications, that you too have been 'caught-out' by the same sickness' that befall the followers of the Christian and Catholic faiths. I am indeed part-skeptic and so should all off you be! So I will continue on my own. Kind Regards and thanks, Norm, CPL and Scott, Kiril | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 10-2000 |
Just back from vacation and looked in to see what's happening. I didn't think there was much more to say regarding the book pricing issue but then a couple of thoughts popped into my mind. Apart from the obvious fact that Cyril was nonresponisve to the mundane but realistic considerations regarding publishing that I originally posted, it occurred to me that that there was a distinct lack of gratitude on his part regarding the abundance of freely posted and available information in English and German from Billy/FIGU and the overall voluntary contributions of many people in bringing this work to the world's attention. Instead there was a rather childish "I want what I want the way I want it and when I want it " attitude that, though masked by facile intellectual language, actually revealed a rather immature state of mind. Now there are certainly people who at the tender age of 20 have had some solid business experience but it would be the exception and not the rule. For anyone who has run their own business for many years, the reality and costs of doing so are serious considerations. To dismiss them out of hand is to reveal ignorance about these realities and respect for those who deal with them, espcially in the case of people who do a great deal of voluntary work. By this I mean even the maintenance of a website to provide free information, such as FIGU does. I do a similar thing and pay the costs of having someone do for me all the technical things that I do not have the skill to do myself. And I've encountered the "gimmee more" for free attitude, as well as the criticism of people who thought I shouldn't sell anything for money. But every service and product that I use in my life costs money, the medium of exchange that we all must deal with. So, while I'd prefer to not deal with it, I would be unable to do all the work I do voluntarily if there weren't means of making money. I'm sure this is obvious to most people. And while I tended to focus on some of these practical "mechanics" related to providing information, publishing, etc. other people like Dyson correctly and wisely pointed out the value of the information and aspects of the work that they have come to appreciate from studying it, acknowledged the priceless benefits that they have derived and expressed their gratitude for the opportunity to have it...at any price. It can be said that having strong convictions, matched with youthful energy and enthusuasm, as well as intellect, are highly necessary and desirable elements, especially needed for the challenges of the coming times. It also is true that it's virtually impossible (or at least enormously difficult) to transfer the collected wisdom of experience to people who haven't simply had the years, the time necessary to appreciate and/or assimilate it. This is in no way a put down, as it can be said about all of us when we realize that there are always those who are "ahead" of us in some areas. There are times though when we realize that we can indeed learn from other people's experiences and gain insight from them. That in itself is a certain kind of wisdom. At a quick glance here it looks like Cyril, having met an equally strong presence in the form of Dyson, has decided to just pick up his marbles and go home, or, in other words, to withdraw from the interaction here for what appear to be childish reasons. They may not be and he certainly is not bound to participate. While Cyril will find that his abilities and energy will serve him well in certain ways, he will also find obstacles in the "real world" that will not be overcome by aspects of his current attitude as he has presented it. As he recognizes that there are still things to learn he will adapt and progress in the course of his life. Perhaps some of us can see ourselves in Cyril, i.e. we can reflect on our own growth processes and challenges and how we adapted and learned. We can remember how right and righteous we were (are?) at times and how necessary it is to develop receptivity as well as activity, without in any way obligating ourselves to agreeing with everyone about everything or giving up our convictions, etc. It's a matter of balance and perspective that we develop over time. And, as I've learned from the time I've spent at the center, the ability to cooperate towards a common goal is essential. It requires willingness to cooperate and not blind belief or subserviance. With a little more exposure to the people involved in FIGU Cyril may perceive that. In any event, he will have the opportunity to learn it as he puts his own visoon and plans together with other like minded people. The best of luck to him in all of this, of course. Michael Horn | ||
Rubaiyat Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2005 |
Cyril, It is sad to see you leave on such a sour note. We are not trying to lash out our tongues at you and bag you down. I don't think that is the code of behaviour to follow in this forum. I think I can understand why you think Dyson has been " 'caught-out' by the same sickness' that befall the followers of the Christian and Catholic faiths ". But he is unlike people who blindly accept the doctrines/laws/philosophies of religion. People of religious faith are spoon-fed information and made to believe that which is said as the end-all-truth and they don't even have a chance to give any discerning thought to what they have been told. But for those of us who do really think of what has been told to us, we will probably find religion to be funny and illogical. You say that you have been reading Talmud of Jmmanuel. Have you really thought of the things that Jmmanuel said in his lectures to the people? Doesn't a lot of it seem logical if you just think about it? Take for example how creational laws and directives are reflected in nature. Man-made laws cause nothing but degeneration...the evidence is all around us right? But where nature prevails there is equilibrium and harmony. Isn’t that what Jmmanuel’s teachings are about? Anyway I have not delved in as deep as Dyson has so please don’t think I am trying to speak authoritatively. Dyson has read the spiritual teachings, but as well as this , has thought about the information logically. I don’t think that he blindly accepts what he reads… so he has not met the prerequisite for being in a religious cult. Is that whay you think? that Billy's teachings is just another religious cult. Well not Billy nor Figu is forcing these teachings to anyone (which is untypical of a religious cult). We have our free will to read what is provided and think for ourselves LOGICALLY what is true. I think you have just been looking at the surface… because you don’t really know what Dyson has read. I have not read everything that he has read. So how can I tell him that he is wrong when I have not truly set eyes on the information he has read and considered its validity for myself? Your blatant labeling of Dyson and putting him on a caught-out-by-the-same-sickness-pedestal lacks foundation. You say you are knowledgable in the Philosophical and Scientific information provided by the Plejaren... have you reflected any of that in your posts? Please point them out for me. A lot of your posts seem to have an almost venomous undertone. Constructive arguments should be logical and not full of amusing jokes such as your probability calculation on Figu's survival. You have failed to see that Figu's population is growing (slowly i know) and your statistical calculation is an impermanent value. I don't think anyone who joined in Figu's quest later packed their bags and left. Because a lot of information here seems logical. I think it is logical. So the Figu population can only be growing. The world isn't as miserable as it might potray itself to be. Such a hopeless attitude toward the so-called tragedy of mankind is not at all constructive. Misery maybe proportionally greater than beauty... but at least there still is beauty. And nature shows that beauty prevails where there was once destruction. It is sad to see you leave because you seem like a very head-strong knowledgeable person in-search of meaning and truth. I think that can be found here. You are the master of your own spiritual path so I can’t force you to stay. But I can at least request you not to leave. Your postings are of value because it does raise issues that need to be met. And we can’t know what is true if we don’t address things that we think are wrong. So I do think your posts are valuable. Because they spark discussion and make us think. I think that is a good thing. Please don’t leave, Rubaiyat. | ||
Adonna Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2005 |
Aloha Michael, Welcome back from the conference. I understand the frustration of not having enough money to get desired information as I was unable to attend the conference for lack thereof. However, this does not give me the right or reason to ridicule or blame others, etc....I figure things weren't meant to be, and perhaps maybe I already had most of the info anyway.. who is to say. However,I am very curious to know what the response to your presentation was here and if perhaps you now have a mailing list of interested persons that I could possibly be brought into contact with? Thank you for the time and energy you give. Warm Regards, Adonna | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everybody! New references to English language Meier material thanks to hard-working new FIGU friend, Maurice Osborn. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 10-2000 |
Aloha Adonna, The response was overwhelmingly favorable, very enthusiastically received. It was a little different than my other presentations in as much as I had a 1 1/2 hour presentation that I had to do in about 50 minutes, as did the other presenters. But it came out just fine and had a lot of energy due to the tempo. I didn't really collect a mailing list so I can't help you there. But do know that there are a number of people on the Big Island who are quite interested in the case. On another note, Dplotmach should pay a little more attention to detail especially as regards the Henoch Prophecies, which I have provided a FREE Link to from my site. It's been there a long time...one just has to pay attention and find it. Michael Horn | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey all.. Has anything come out of the new prophetic information? Perhaps an investigation or a publication from a non-figu related source tying a connection between Meier's prophecies and the recent events that came to fruition? I am of course referring to the etching affect from the E.T.'s hand on the hood of the Subaru and the prophecies of the 2002 Japanese experiment that said "spinach genes will be transferred into pigs" and the Vatican banker Roberto Calvi being strangled plus the gold cauldron sunk in the Chiemsee lake in Bavaria. Have any mainstream sources so much as whispered this information in the context of a connection to Billy? I probably would have heard of a connection by now if there was ever one but I figured we all could keep a look out or heck stimulate a conversation or write a letter that gets this info out to people in the right place and or in the right state of mind to make some changes! It would be nice to know that this kind of proof is reaching genre's in the public or at the very least (or most depending on what you think is more important) the skeptic rings. Salome, Tim | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2003 |
"Universal Barrier" photo In 'And Still They Fly!' on page 35 of the photo gallery there is a comparison between Billy Meier's photo of the universal barrier and a painting, taken from a report critical of the Meier case, "Analysis Of Major Ret. Colman S. VonKeviczky". VonKeviczky asks "Who Owns The Copyright? "Billy" (Meier) or Dr. O'Neill?", referring to the painting appearing in a February 1976 issue of Smithsonian (Magazine). His caption for Meier's photo is: "Color slide in "BILLY" Eduard Meier's Archives: No. B 212. It illustrates the ENTRANCE TO THE DAL UNIVERSE, and the Universe border. The diameter of the gate 75-80 km, and its length 1.3 million km. -- as speculated by "Billy" the UFO-Cosmonaut and photographer." There is a better copy of Meier's photo in FIGU's "Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte" Block 1, page 275. Mr. Meier took his photo during his "great journey" on July 17, 1975. The segment of the trip relating to the barrier between the DERN and the DAL Universes is reported in Contact 32. The "Universe Barrier" photo is discussed in Contacts 66 & 68 in relation to the Smithsonian article. I was recently told by a FIGU Core Group member that the original photo was destroyed some time ago. I located a copy of the original Smithsonian article from the local public library: "Colonies in space may turn out to be nice places to live" by Ron Chernow, Smithsonian (ISSN 0037-7333), February 1976 (volume 6 number 11), pages 62-69. The painting in question is uncredited. The caption to it reads: "The view inside a 19-mile-long, 4-mile-wide space colony might look like this. But the moon would never be seen behind the earth." Recently I was surprised to find the image of the painting on the laptop computer of a friend who was showing me some photos related to space exploration. With his pointers about where he obtained it on the internet, I was able to locate copies of it at different websites. The painting is titled "Cutaway view of space habitat, exposing the interior": http://www.spaceref.com/tools/vi.html?id=92&cat=spacecolonies&imgs=largeimage http://64.40.104.21/spacecolonies/large/AC75-1086.b.lrg.jpg It was painted by Richard "Rick" Guidice for NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California, USA: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/home/index.html Some of Rick Guidice's paintings were used in a 185-page document of a 1975 NASA Summer Study (10-week program from June - August 1975) titled "Space Settlements: A Design Study" (NASA SP-413), which is available fulltext online at: http://lifesci3.arc.nasa.gov/SpaceSettlement/75SummerStudy/Table_of_Contents1.html In the online edition there is an appendix at the very end called "Space Colony Illustrations" which contains Guidice's painting (File Number AC75-1086), however this illustrations appendix does not appear in the print version of the book: http://lifesci3.arc.nasa.gov/SpaceSettlement/70sArt/art.html http://lifesci3.arc.nasa.gov/SpaceSettlement/70sArt/AC75-1086.jpeg From what I have been able to determine, the painting was first generally available to the public via the Smithsonian article. For the sake of completeness, I located a copy of the NASA study at the local public library. It was entered into the St. Louis Public Library's government documents collection on April 26, 1977. The Superintendent of Documents depository number (SuDoc Number) for the publication is NAS 1.21:413. Its Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is 76-600068. It was published by the Scientific and Technical Information Office of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in Washington D.C. The Foreward is written by James C. Fletcher, Administrator of NASA and is dated October 1, 1976. The title page states the document was published in 1977. This means it was printed sometime between October 1976 and April 1977 (U.S. Government Printing Office: 1977 O-227-538), well over a year after Meier took his photograph in space, and nearly a year after the Smithsonian article. As this book is a U.S. government published document, it is not subject to copyright laws and is part of the public domain. Therefore, VonKeviczky's question concerning copyright does not apply...though if it did, it would belong to Rick Guidice, not Gerard K. O'Neill. VonKeviczky also calls Mr. Meier's photo a "Universe border", which would not be a correct description as according to the Plejarens the universe has no end, thus no "border". A biography of Rick Guidice is at: http://www.afapo.hq.af.mil/presentation/Common/artistsdetail.cfm?Letter=G&value= 996 I located Mr. Guidice's mailing address and sent him a letter in mid-May with several questions regarding his painting. I have not yet received a reply. | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2004 |
I personally believe all of billy meiers spiritual books should be published into ebooks and given out for free over the internet to the general public. Some of the reason for this being are - One of the biggest things which contributes to the worlds present day problems that its facing now is a lack of spiritual awareness amongst the general public. The world is in dire straights now and we know that there is possibly that we're nearing the end of economic/infastructure/monetry times and ppl need to aquire the books now and not later when theres no means of getting them. Apart from the sincere investigators most ppl in the general public won't go out buying the spiritual books because they don't realize how much the spiritual material contained within the books would mean to them in the sense of how it would probably change their pattern of thinking and then onto the right path of thinking. If the general public were able to only just read a few pages from one of the books i believe that a large percentage of the general public would continue reading the book and also most likely would continue reading other books too and in a short amount of time suddenly you would probably have a large percentage of the general public lives would have been changed that wouldn't have if the material wasn't made availible to them for free over the internet in ebooks. In short if the books were made for free over the internet via ebooks i believe it would certainly help more then anything else in helping with the worlds present day problems to raise the general publics spiritual awareness as more and more people would suddenly start talking amongst themselves about the books and then onto the spiritual side of life where the main focus of talk should be. I believe it would definately startup a snowball effect within the general public that wouldn't have happened because these ppl would have probably never bothered looking into the matter/material otherwise in the short ammount of time if the material wasn't for free before whatever time could have been left for them on this planet if WW3 does startup. Humanity is at the stage where it needs all the help it can possibly get and money shouldn't be considered as being an obsticle or considered as being the more important issue here either. The mission is not about making money but about getting the good word out to as many ppl as possible to the general public throughout the world in order to raise humanities spiritual awareness. these are just some of the reasons why i feel the books should be made into ebooks and given out for free over the internet. Michael, can you ask billy about this matter if you haven't already done so please. - regards phil | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2004 |
sorry about all my somantic/wording mistakes as ever since i could write i've always had a problem putting my thoughts down to paper. regards phil | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2004 |
I'm also unemployed and never read one of billy meiers either and would loved to read one sooner then i could wait til i can afford one. | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2004 |
I'm unemployed and have never read one of billy meier books yet. i would love to read one of them sooner rather then later but unforntunately I will have to wait until i can afford to buy one. I'm not suggesting that ppl like me should have books given out for free, but only stating what my position is for reference is all. regards phil | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 04-2003 |
Phil, Why don't you ask your library to order his books? Matt | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 472 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Phil, Since there have been many points of view regarding the material being free, electronic publishing, etc. Let me offer another approach. It seems that underlying your request is the recognition that the material has value to you. It interests you and you want to have more of it but you find that you have economic blocks and/or disagreement with how you think it should be made available. Let's think about a few things that are fundamental to this case. One is the concept of self-responsibility, a truly core principle in the teachings that I am aware of. Now, in all of our lives there are things that we prioritize and make sure we have. The basics are food, clothing and shelter and, certainly, if one is unemployed, has lost a job, is sick, etc. it can be a challenge to maintain ineself and manifest one's needs. But everyone has to do it, to perform the work, as I think Quetzal put it. In truth, everything one wants and/or needs, may not be acquired in all cases. Understanding the challenge and knowing that, ultimately, we are each repsonsible for ourselves, we are faced with the opportunity to either get depressed and immobilized or reinvigorated to face the challenge and improve our situation. Once one has the necessities, the basics handled, then the desires can be focused on. And it's up to each person to decide what their priorities are. Perhaps you've even heard people give advice such as "give up one pack of cigarettes, or one cup of coffee per day, or a movie, etc." and set aside the money to apply to something more enduring and important, i.e. a book, magazine, etc. It's a choice when the item isn't life essential, and I'm not presuming anything one way or the other regarding your situation. If we resist the temptation to complain about how the system of exchange (money) currently works in the world, and stop blaming people who provide their goods and services (at a reasonsable cost) through it, we can focus on taking responsibility for how we get the things that are important to us. As someone who spent a little time "on the streets" with almost nothing to my name, I can tell you that it was by changing my perspective that I overcame that situation and left behind certain beliefs that were not helping me. It takes a certain amount of time but once one's decision is made to "go forward" progress will be made. Another thing to keep in mind is that, in the greater scheme of things, this is but one brief opportunity, one lifetime in eternity, in which to accomplish certain things. So that can be the "good or bad news" depending on what one's sense of urgency is. But what I think I'm saying here, in the simplest terms, is that it's infinitely more rewarding to focus on how one can accomplish their goals without demanding that the world (others) conform to their desires and expectations. Michael Horn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Phil! Go to http://www.figu.org/cgi-local/forum/us/discus.cgi?pg=prev&topic=863&page=5440 and follow the threads from Cyril's comments onwards for a very detailed set of replies to your basic questions. And unless you can read the German language you're sort of out of luck anyway with 99% of what's available. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2004 |
I also understand what your saying there Michael about ppl in relation to my unemployment situation there too but my finanial situation i mentioned there "only" relates to the "second" last reason I mentioned there (requoted) below. Your comments were all focused only on that one reason i gave there on ppl that are in my situation but didn't comment on the other points/reasons i raised there. People in my financial situation is also by far the lesser impact of the picture and points of what I'm suggesting there too. The greater impact of the picture I'm putting forward there is a lack of sincere investigators amonst the general public which has nothing to do really with money. I mean the only ppl that would buy and read the books are the sincere investigators, but what % of the general public are sincere investigators and is that % of ppl enough to make a difference to this planets spiritual awareness in the possible time that could be left before a world war 3 could possibly start? Also I probably would have aquired most of the books there before they'ld be out on the internet for free if that was ever decided to be the case. Thats why i didn't mention my unemployment situation in that post below because it had little to do with it. Please reread my post i quoted myself below listing some of the other reasons why i felt offereing the books out for free would have a greater impact in creating a snowball effect then how its (figu) setup up now in helping to raise humanities spiritual awareness in the little time thats left before kaos soon esculates which is what I feel the main focus of goal should be. regards phil Originally posted by phil638 - I personally believe all of billy meiers spiritual books should be published into ebooks and given out for free over the internet to the general public. Some of the reason for this being are - One of the biggest things which contributes to the worlds present day problems that its facing now is a lack of spiritual awareness amongst the general public. The world is in dire straights now and we know that there is possibly that we're nearing the end of economic/infastructure/monetry times and ppl need to aquire the books now and not later when theres no means of getting them. Apart from the sincere investigators most ppl in the general public won't go out buying the spiritual books because they don't realize how much the spiritual material contained within the books would mean to them in the sense of how it would probably change their pattern of thinking and then onto the right path of thinking. If the general public were able to only just read a few pages from one of the books i believe that a large percentage of the general public would continue reading the book and also most likely would continue reading other books too and in a short amount of time suddenly you would probably have a large percentage of the general public lives would have been changed that wouldn't have if the material wasn't made availible to them for free over the internet in ebooks. In short if the books were made for free over the internet via ebooks i believe it would certainly help more then anything else in helping with the worlds present day problems to raise the general publics spiritual awareness as more and more people would suddenly start talking amongst themselves about the books and then onto the spiritual side of life where the main focus of talk should be. I believe it would definately startup a snowball effect within the general public that wouldn't have happened because these ppl would have probably never bothered looking into the matter/material otherwise in the short ammount of time if the material wasn't for free before whatever time could have been left for them on this planet if WW3 does startup. Humanity is at the stage where it needs all the help it can possibly get and money shouldn't be considered as being an obsticle or considered as being the more important issue here either. The mission is not about making money but about getting the good word out to as many ppl as possible to the general public throughout the world in order to raise humanities spiritual awareness. these are just some of the reasons why i feel the books should be made into ebooks and given out for free over the internet. Michael, can you ask billy about this matter if you haven't already done so please. - regards phil | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 09-2004 |
(Hello, move this post to where it fits best, if I did a mistake..) I wonder why so many of the questions to Billy and many of the posts are so directly unlogical, unwise, and delusional( which I cannot exlude myself from, btw). What is the cause for this? I'm not saying most are. I think that it may be that we are used to getting the answers from Billy, and that some will probably believe them blindly, maybe for us earth-humans religiousness and search for "Gods and angels". This is not a good thing. It also may be because there are many self-contradictions in the information, or, matters are very intricate. F.ex, they say that we are genetically manipulated so that we do not live as long as we should, I think I remember from one place(difficult finding the "bible quotations" in the contact notes, sorry), and in "and yet they fly", the rapid aging/lifelength of earth-humans is explained as being a consequence of the eart-humans fell prey to religious thinking, and abandoned the creational laws, and spiritual teachings. Correct me if I am wrong. I think we should not believe in everything Billy says, but be inspired of it, as I think he has said himself. We should at least strive to investigate things ourselves, use logic (which sometimes seem to contradict the information of the Plejarens/Meier, maybe because we do not know "everything" yet), and use our gut-feeling, as I find something that have driven me to this E.T-contacts. Do you agree with me to some extent, or what do you think about this matter? Dplotmach, Thanks for asking, the feedback area is for comments related to the structure of the forum. If you are uncertain about where to post a response or topic, please feel free to e-mail one of the moderators. Thanks-Scott-Moderator | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Michael, I got your e-mail up-date, forwarded one to my friend which should be assisting our goal of progress. I wrote a reply giving a brief description of the Meier case and gave your name and website. I had to click negative for the type of response, I hope that doesn't matter (when standing in the producers shoes) Do you know when the next show covering the topic of UFO's will be aired? I am interested in seeing if they broadcast some meier material. Oh and good luck in Sept. with all of those interviews. Take Care and Salome, Tim | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 474 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Tim, Thanks for your efforrts. I don't know when they'll do the next show, with the London bombings that's probably front burner for a while. Re September, it now turns out that I'll have four lectures in Australia. Best, Michael Horn | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Michael, what if figu made just one of billy's spiritual books into an ebook form and offered it out for free over the internet? This could be all thats needed to startup a sudden and substanstantial snowball effect rolling. I think a good percentage of the people who would read that one book would probabily like to further read more billy meier material and would therefore have to buy the material from figu. The main thing from doing this would be to generate a sudden substantial interest in billy's meier's spirit material. This could be maybe a very profitable approach for figu to take too? regards phil | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 660 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Phil, In my book nothing of value comes without effort. What if you were the contact person, and you went through half of what Billy has gone through, wouldn't you regard your efforts as being worth something? If you think Billy is a materialist, he is not, he doesn't even like to handle money. From my personnel experience, when something is made available on the internet, you might as well kiss any control over its distribution goodbye. People can rename your material, distort what was written and re-create just about any portion of it they choose to. I think sometimes people on the internet like to play king of the mountain when it comes to the sharing of information. Soon it’s not the content which is so important, but rather the volume of information you have available. Many times on the forum people will ask questions which have already come up, and in many instances those questions are answered. But, how many people have studied and read what has been written on this forum, and it costs nothing? Why would putting one of Billy's books on the interent generate any more interest than many of the sources which are already free? I think for those that really want something, they must work in that direction to obtain it. No one that I know who works within FIGU makes money, but what money is made goes back into the printing and production of new materials. Considering how much effort and time Billy has voluntarily put into the mission, he should be by most people's standards quite wealthy, but that is quite the contrary. Unfortunately we live in the age of materialism, and money rules the world for the most part. So I think we have to accept the fact that things are going to cost money whether we like it or not…just my 2 cents….. Regards Scott | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Scott, I think that maybe I haven't explained myself well enough again to ppl (as usual) and that ppl are misunderstanding me again, I don't know. First of all I'd like to say that soon i plan to buy all of figu's spirit books in paperback form, wether they're out for free over the internet as ebooks or not for the simple reason coz thats how i prefer to have the books and not have to rely on some computer to be able to read them. My comments and suggestions were never in relation to my personal umemployment matter. My comments were only suggestions i was giving to try to help figu with getting the spirit material books out to the general public coz i believed there to be a problem there was all. However some of the comments i got back from some ppl were that figu's book sale's setup is just fine how its setup now and that there is no problem with the book sales anyway, and some other comments in short saying that no-one in todays world should get something for free and that no-one's forcing anyone to buy the material anyway too. Now I'm not suggesting that these ppl comments i got back were wrong and I"m not suggesting that my suggestions were right with my next comment I'm going to say either. I'm just going to say what was the reason that lead me to believe that figu had a problem with getting the spirit book material out to like minded ppl amongst the general public and the reason that also lead me to believe that figu's book sale's volume were down and not selling much either. The reason that lead me to believe this was that I haven't seen or heard any comments from anyone over the internet in relation to how good or bad billy meier's spirit material books are. The only comments I ever heard over the internet were all in relation to billy meiers ufology material, but nothing ever about the spirit material. If there are a good number of ppl out there on the internet that are reading billy's spirit books and material then I say where are they all? Where are any of them for that matter? The only ppl i ever ever seen talking about the spirit material were only at gaiaguys, steelmark and here. Seriously that can't be enough ppl reading to make any sort of change in the world can it? I don't believe it is and thats the main reason and concern behind the suggestions i was offering figu as a means of trying to help with getting the spirit word out to the public but all the comments i really got back from ppl was talk about the money importance side of things. The same thing thats put the world in the troublesome place it is now and which is the same thing which is considered and labelled from spirit ppl as being the root of all evil too. I'm sorry but I have to disagree with figu staff's stance on this matter as I believe there are more important things at stake here besides paper money. reagrds phil | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2004 |
hey gaiguysnet, I guess that is another problem that most of the spirit books being only in german text form. Do you think that they might be translated into english reading form before the possible start of ww3 next year. I hope so because who knows if its at all possible for ppl of getting them before and while all the mayhem happens. I hope that someone makes an effort of translating them into english reading form so ppl can start buying them now as english is the langunge that most of the ppl throughout the world speak of today too and not german. regards phil | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2004 |
hi gaiaguys, I just thought I'd like to congratulate you both for every ur both doing at ur website and to also say something else which might comfort you a little if any of you are in any sort of fear from these illuminati wanks. If anything happens to any of you or anything is mysteriously happening around you both then please let me know as theres something I can do as my brother in law just happens to be one of the highest ranking detectives in the victorian police (homocide) force and he also has lots of high up friends everywhere too. Here's a couple of photos to help back my claim. The first is a photo of my mums second wedding party. I'm seated at the front and my brother in law is seated at the rear and the photo is about 15 years old too. The second photo is self explainitry to anyone who's living in Oz. regards phil | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi phil 1-the world is not going to change magically from one day to the other, you have to take in count that the "Mission" will take many centuries 2-usually wise persons are few and do not open their mouth more that they need to, so it is not very likely that you will find one in every corner (but that doesn´t mean that they aren´t there), do you know what i mean? 3-to help avoiding the WW3 from happening it would be better (and easier) if more people would participate in the Peace Meditation rather than making all the books available for them (anyway most are not going to understand them) 4-it would be better if NOBODY knew about the teachings than "helping" them in the creation of a new religion, people who are ready and can understand will search for the truth, you dont have to bring them anything, ´cause like the axioms from the Kybalion say: "The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding" "Where fall the footsteps of the Master, the ears of those ready for his Teaching open wide." 5- the books are being translated slowly but surely, but that will take many years, so if you are really interested in the material it is a better idea to learn german (many persons simply complain and cry like babies instead of doing something for themselves, when learning a new language is not something from the "other world" and would be of great benefit for them) 6- before worrying about the entire world it is better to occupy for oneself, ´cause like the saying says: "before starting the task of changing the world, walk three times around your own house" (and if you still haven´t read it, i recomend the article called: Talkativeness and Performing Missionary Work, found in the FIGU website) take care | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Phil, Thank you for your kind words, as ever. I would ask you to get your Brother-in-law onto our site as soon as possible and tell him to do whatever he can using whatever personal initiative and responsibility he can. www.gaiagys.net Many innocent lives are at stake. Several people have recently been silenced (murdered) in South Australian too. BEAM's material is in the German language for several important and good reasons. (Did you go back and read the thread I asked you to from Cyril?) It is all in hardback. These books have to last. Don't be so sure WW3 will be in 2006. It is already well underway, "fought on laptops", as Bush said. SALOME, Dyson | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi memo, u raised a couple of good points there but the basis of my concern was that if ppl will be able to get hold of these books once the ww3 starts if it does start. I'm also really anxious to be able to get these books now and not have to wait a number of years in the future until I'm able to get them too and also have to wait until that time where I'm able to further my own personal spirit development instead of starting soon now. regards phil | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 07-2004 |
After closer examination and reading in the past few pages of this thread regarding what some ppl had said in relation to the reasons why the spirit books should not be offered out for free over the internet, I now see their point and now want to take back the comments I said in relation to that matter too. I'm sorry, I didn't read the past few pages before posting my post here and guess I should do so and will do so in the future too. regards phil | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Dyson and Phil, You could well be right about WW lll already being underway. If the death of five heads of state doesn't have to be in the ten-year period prior to WW lll, then the first 5 years of planning could have been 1996 - 2001 and the second 5 year period from 2001 - 2006. IF, and I stress if, this is correct WW lll could be said to have begun with Gulf War l. Where and when it may begin could be a detail that many future historians will differ on. Personally I think it will begin with the fall of Rome and the Vatican. | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2004 |
When I posted this post just previously before - "After closer examination and reading in the past few pages of this thread regarding what some ppl had said in relation to the reasons why the spirit books should not be offered out for free over the internet, I now see their point and now want to take back the comments I said in relation to that matter too. I'm sorry, I didn't read the past few pages before posting my post here and guess I should do so and will do so in the future too." I forgot to offer my sincere apologies to all the ppl that my comments about that figu spirit book pricing matter were referring too, especially to Michael Horn, and I'd like to offer those ppl that apology now too. - thx phil | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi the prophecies say that the death of the 4 heads of state (not 5) would be 2 years (not 10) before the war (and 7 days between each one) (AND REMEBER IT IS JUST A PROPHECY, THE WAR IS NOT SOMETHING SURE) anyway what is the point in spending your time thinking in horrible things like the WW3 happening??? the power of your thoughts affects the entire world, so it is better to use it in more productive things, don´t you think??? any of us could be tomorrow starving in the streets or suffering the effects of radiation and/or chemical weapons for the rest of our lifes (and if we die it could be even worse because we would reincarnate very soon and would be innocent and defenceless childs in a living hell) seriously, sometimes it even appears that many persons really want to see the war happening. . . think in positive stuff!!! and take care | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dear Dyson, I'm considering selling and downgrading my car just so I can buy lots of billy meiers books and would like to know something. Just in regards to the email u or vivvienne sent me suggesting that if i would like to read the books now that my best bet would be to learn how to read the german languange. Wouldn't it be far easier just to buy the books in german languange and then scan the pages on my computer and then to use a translation software program to translate the pages into english form and then to just read the pages on my computer rather then spending the time needed in learning how to read another language? Also do you think that the translation software program would be capable enough of handling this task too? many thx phil Hi Phil, Please refrain from using the forum as a message exchange. Since you are corresponding with Dyson through e-mail, please continue to do so. Thanks Moderator-Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 08-2004 |
Those were only comments, Memo. I doubt people here are wondering everyday about WW lll, far less propagating thoughts and ideas that it WILL occur. Did that prophecy say the 4 heads of state (thanks for the correction) die, or are killed, within the space of a week, four weeks, or was it ambiguous in meaning? I don't have Billy's actual words to hand. Thanks, | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 662 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Cpl, There is a whole topic area designated for this discussion regarding contact 251 (http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/2200/1250.html) In addition the contact can be located at http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/index.htm Look to the left column and select contact notes. Regards Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks, Scott. The actual wording in English is "...the death of 4 heads of state who will die within 7 days from each other." That does suggest 4 weeks assuming it is translated correctly from the German. Thanks again, Memo00. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
In contact 150 (10 Oct 1981) , the Plejarans informed Billy about a planetary system with 3 suns and 16 inhabited planets. At that time, in 1981, the Plejarans were involved in massive evacuation and resettlement of the inhabitants of these planets, as their system was about to go under. We have only just now got proof that these complex planetary systems involving 3 suns actually exist which the below newspaper article tells: quote "Before now we had no clues about whether planets could form in such gravitationally complex systems," said Dr Konacki, of the California Institute of Technology unquote http://smh.com.au/articles/2005/07/14/1120934364331.html?oneclick=true# Where the sun also rises - again and again By Richard Macey July 15, 2005  At first glance, it would seem the ideal world for romantic couples who enjoy watching the sun sink over the horizon. A planet with three suns, providing up to three sunsets and three sunrises daily, has been found 149 light years from Earth. "The sky view from this planet would be spectacular, with an occasional triple sunset," said Maciej Konacki, the astronomer who detected the new world. According to him, the discovery has upset assumptions about how planets are born. "Before now we had no clues about whether planets could form in such gravitationally complex systems," said Dr Konacki, of the California Institute of Technology The newly discovered planet whips around a central star every 3.3 days. That star is also circled every 25.7 years by two other suns, which pirouette around each other every 156 days. The central and outer two stars are about as far apart as the ringed planet Saturn is from our sun. A planet-hunting astronomer at the Anglo-Australian Observatory near Coonabarabran, Chris Tinney, warned yesterday that the view from the new-found world might not be so romantic. AdvertisementAdvertisement As big as Jupiter, the biggest planet in our solar system, this new world was almost certainly just a massive ball of gas with no solid surface for romantic strolls. And someone glancing up from inside the gas ball would probably see only "a murky gloom" resembling a permanent fog. As for three sunsets a day, "you would probably be able to watch the gloom change three times", Dr Tinney said. The planet was also so close to its central star that it would be far too hot for liquid water, so there would certainly be no beaches from which to admire sunsets. Dr Tinney did not apologise for spoiling romantic notions of the world with three suns. "That's what scientists are for: to shine the harsh light of critical judgement onto romance." unquote Regards Kaare | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi everyone, Since Phil rasised the issue of computer translations here, and it is an ongoing question we get from other FIGU friends, let me just paste in Vivivnne's response: "Unfortunately scanning the German to put through an automatic translator isn't advisable because all important detail is certainly going to be smashed up that way. The software is just not that good. So you could spend a lot of effort getting the meaning quite wrong in your mind. It's not quite such a problem with non-spiritual teaching texts but still a problem, because the software is too stupid." We hope to address this matter of learning the German language in future posts here as time permits. Also, regarding WWIII ... Kontactberichte 5 & 6 suggesst that the prophecies are not being fulfilled. Certainly the Jeremiah and Elia ones are not looking like they are happening, and the turning point - in my opinion - was about 1947. Jmmanuel's (Ch 25) 1000 days of fire* referred to Bush's Gulf War I oilwell fires which were extinguished in 300 days. Sort out the rest for yourselves and please take more individual reposibility instead of waiting to see what happens. Salome, Dyson www.gaiaguys.net *"45. "The makeup of the Earth's sky and air will be disturbed, and the land will burn because of the black oil of the Earth, ignited by people's craving for power. The sky will darken because of smoke and fire, which will rage for a thousand days, and everything above the burning land and far beyond will be covered with black soot. Consequently the weather will break down, and severe cold and much death will come over the people, plants and animals, and over the Earth, as a result of the senselessly unleashed forces of the people who live in lust for power, evil passions and vices. 46. "And then signs will appear in the sky, and all Earth humans will wail and come to see the signs in the clouds of the sky that bear witness to great power and severe judgment against irrationality." P.S. The "signs in the clouds of the sky" are pretty obvious these days. Look up. Go to our site. SIGNS AND WONDERS! | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 07-2004 |
dear dyson, so I take it that means that to fully understand the books written in german, one must have to know how to read full fluency german then? This would also apply to the books if they were written in any other language too then. Then I think I'm in trouble then coz I don't think I'm at that stage where I'd fully understand the books even if they were written in my native language of english then? regards phil | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Dyson, You could be right, but IMO the "46." verse is referring to the Red Meteor at the tail end of WW III. "45." Could refer to what has recently become the 888 days of WW III according to the Henoch Prophecies. IMO it indicates the war will be over oil -- as the wars almost all are now in secret -- and will be started due to "the people who live in lust for power, evil passions and vices" or the leaders/powers of the USA. As you say, each must decide for self what the meaning is. Hoping you're right and I'm wrong. cpl. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again, fellow FIGU friends! Phil, in order to FULLY understand anything you'd have to be perfect, and that rules us ALL out! :-) You don't even have to have STRONG German to get the codex going ( www.gaiaguys.net.kodex.htm ) Also, I read German quite well now, but to speak it or write it with all the fancy grammar in place is another story! It's like that with any language, of course, if you stop and think about it. Of course English has been deliberately dumbed down so much by now by the Powers That Be that you will probably need a good English dictionary along with the big German language one, but we humans are different from the rest of the animal kingdom in only ONE respect... we can evolve spiritually because we can express our (monstrously powerful) thoughts IN WORDS! So get cracking and expand your vocabulary! For German language learners, we just discovered this http://www.nodtronics.com.au/products/education_language/lets_learn_german.htm , which Vivienne finds useful, and this: http://shareit1.element5.com/ is a good resource too. Cpl, the references to the oil well fires were clarified in Kontactberichte 5 & 6, where they mention the other failing prophecies. (Good, eh?!) I'm up to my ears in the Illuminati's lawsuits at the moment, but at night ... I translate! (Stay bookmarked!) I've already got something COOL about the "aerospace junk" on the poles of the Moon for you, and Michael Horn has some HOT stuff about Planet Amerika underway in his August newsletter. My current MAJOR work I call my NOKODEMION PROJECT. It will knock you socks off! :-) Salome, Dyson | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dyson, That is good news. Thanks! Already forwarded Michael's "lanet Amerika" message. Look forward to your "'aerospace junk' on the poles of the Moon." Power, goodness and success to you in your lawsuits. Best, Chris | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Chris, Thanks for your good wishes. Just to make it perfectly clear, these are not “our” lawsuits. These are various legal actions AGAINST Vivienne and me BY the Eastern Templar Freemasons (a.k.a. Ordo Templi Orientis / Illuminati) for 1.) defamation – which they’ve already won in Canberra and they are in the process of stripping us of everything [goodbye gaiaguys!] and 2.) religious vilification and victimization, in Melbourne for which we will both probably be imprisoned for at least six months far from where we (used to) live. Serious stuff! The OTO have a “666” and erect genitalia as their public logo. We are hoping that Billy is right when he says that if you are wrongly accused and don’t defend yourself that “even the stones will scream in your defense.” There’s an item in this morning’s Sydney Morning Herald about this problem here: http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2005/07/26/1122143844736.html Anyway back to the Moon! Here you go. Enjoy! I’ll link it up somewhere eventually. I think I need a Meier index. http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.Mondv6p70.htm Peace in wisdom, Dyson | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks Dyson. I know the lawsuits are against you. My tuppence worth: It's easy for me to say, of course, but my words still hold. Power, goodness and success to you in your lawsuits. Of the three, "goodness" I rate as the most likely to succeed. It is very difficult for a court to convict when they can clearly see the people before them are good people. "Goodness" is the most underestimated, unpopular, unfashionable, yet most effective of all qualities IMO. Smile, beam happiness, joy, and goodness in the court, don't be intimidated to not do so, and don't be intimidated to fall into, or react in, fear. Fear suggests someone ruled by the emotions and therefore more dangerous. Beaming your "Peace in wisdom" would likely help a lot too. After all you only want the best for all concerned including the Lost Ones against you. Thanks for the links again! | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dear Dyson and Vivviene, I'm glad that you both have friends in high places looking out for both your safety against these illuminti sicko's down here in OZ. You've already got one of my close friends/brother in law who is one of the highest ranking homocide detectives in Victorian police force as I've previously shown you both in the photos I emailed you recently to further comfort you both. best wishes with the lawsuit phil | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks, brothers. Much appreciated. (Preaching to the converted! ;-)) I just wanted to clear up the impression that I've apparently given you that the Canberra case is not over. We lost. We were judged guilty last month. We must find $30,000 which we do not have, so our house and land is going to be sold out from under us, as far as we can tell. There's stuff on our front page about it. There is another case against us in Melbourne soon, but once it is all gone, we have nothing more to have taken from us. If we do not agree to retract and apologise, we will go to jail. This is not directly FIGU relateed, Scott, but both these venues (FIGU-related & non-FIGU-related) get a bit blurred, I know. At least the OTO Freemasons are Giza related, so it's not TOO far off-topic! :-) Salome, Dyson www.gaiaguys.net | ||
Torrent Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello, Dyson. I am so sorry to hear that the court judged against you. Where is the justice in this world? Alas.... | ||
Phoenix_2003 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi everyone. I am reading more and more about the books witch are offered in FIGU-Shop. I am from easten country and the prices of the most of the books are very very hight for me. For exampel if some book costs 40 CHF it is 4 times more then common book costs in my country. This calculation is not including any money spending on sending the book by post. If I cound up all the costs I named I am simply no able to buy the most of thwe books. Racional solution of this problem is to find some book(s) avalible for download at internet. I am not sure why the creators of www.figu.org did not offer any of books for download. I you can pleas help me. Adam. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Adam, It's nice to see new names on the discussion board. In response to your question I would just like to say that which has been stated before, that the pricing of the Meier books is understandable and realistic due to the special circumstances applied to Billy's situation. If you would care to read the past posts in this section you can find many other points to explain such pricing. There is also plenty of audio files and video on the internet that is freely accessible to those who are willing to find it. And as for the the main reasoning why the figu does not put some things on the internet this is simply due to pyracy reasons. The way I understand it there is no REAL way to protect a file once you've put it on the internet, it's kind of like purchasing with your debit card over the internet. You hope that people are not recording your credit card number and misusing it. In this case the figu and Billy have released a sizely amount of material for a general amount of research about the case on the net however, they too hope that no one is misusing, altering, or changing the material from Billy's original intent. This has happened many times before concerning the major religions Christianity, Islam and such. They have written German next to all the texts with a special code so that the original writing can be preserved. These are very special writings and every effort possible should be taken advandage of to protect its content. I agree with the Figu methods I hope this clears up some concerns. Salome, Tim James | ||
Phoenix_2003 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi Tim. Thank you for answer. But I don't understand how would pirates disuse materials from Billy. And if they can what is the different betwen materials downloaded from internet and materials sending via post for money. I thing(I can be wrong) that if would Billy offer his materials on internet his thoroughts and knoledges will be spreaded much more faster. And isn't it nesecary at this age? Adam | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Adam, At first glance and especially in our technological age of 2005 it would seem that putting all the Meier books and pamphlets on the net would be a good idea, mainly to get the word out to the most people. While getting the "word out" and making it easily accessible would also seem like necessary tasks, they are not among those of FIGU's priorities or at-least very high on the list, and for numerous reasons. While it may not seem at first glance very helpful to sell items at such "high" prices which is usually due to shipping and not list price, they are essential for the continuation of further production with the exception of FIGU members through their own jobs and other donations, the income is completely neccessary for all maintanace costs and printing/distributing as well as maintaining the Semjase Silver Star Center. Any profits which are made simply recycle back into more production. I am not an FIGU core/member but I do know that it can be very expensive producing books and not having customers can cripple ones "buisiness" (if you could even call it that) if the brunt of your market is getting them free on the internet. The piracy separate from this issue, but just as imortant in my mind. Regardless of your intentions when downloading or sending a file whether it be data or pdf you simply don't know what other peoples intentions are. The FIGU/Billy have put locks on all their pdf files to prevent copying and manipulation of the messages intent. There has been if I am correct 21 assasination attempts on Billy's life. Some this Year!!! I think that is more than enough reason to take the action they did, that being a limitation of pdf files and other similar e-books to prevent malicious people from falsifying its intent. There are numerous ways people these days change copy and redistribute incorrect illegally produced books, e-books, movies and all other items producable, so i'm not saying that by simply limiting the production of pdf files (which they did) will completely eliminate the overall issue of copyright fraud among others, but it will at the least temper it or lessen the risk brought on by people even with honest intentions and could be something as simple as scanning a book and turning it into an e-book. People will choose a language that suits their own and if it's not German which is extremely likely than they are more likely to copy and paste only the section that they want to read even if they are not "intending" to do any damage this could immediatly or down the road be the origination of a copy that gets falsified by malicious individuals or just ones lacking foresight. There is no effective way that I am aware of to protect the e-books authenticity once it's been up-loaded on the net. There is however, a fail safe precaution as well as an effective aid implemented by Billy who was informed by his ET contacts the Plejaren that all translated or other chosen writings must have a German translation with the script that is designed with a special code that ilicits impulses from the spiritual realm (akashic records) which then touch the reader and begin to become active from within. It matters little whether the person knows german or not only that the writing is in a complete form free from error and only then will the impulses will take place. This not only ensures that the writing is authentic when compared to the German (original writing) but aids the reader subconciously as well. Hopefully this helps! I know I had alot of questions on similar issues but clear thinking will cut to the chase! Salome, Tim | ||
Phoenix_2003 Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2003 |
Thank you for answer. Adam | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 04-2003 |
http://www.rense.com/general67/str.htm Check out the above link. I would like to see Billy's explanation for the "collar" like object Matt | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Readers, I would like to ask a question about one of the German books. Hope someone knows the book. My question is about the book "Prophetien" supposedly the book talks about prophecies starting from 1976, till when? more to like near future or rather distant future. And another question to the same book, is the whole book the same format of text as it is in the sample page? Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 03-2003 |
FIGU Special Bulletin #20 has an excerpt from Contact 384 (April 16, 2005): http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s20/saurier-photos.htm that discusses the forged dinosaur photos that have been attributed to Billy Meier. I was able to locate the source of these forgeries, sections of a painting by A. Frascarolo housed in the Département de Géologie et de Paléontologie at the Museum D'histoire Naturelle De La Ville De Geneve, Switzerland. See here: http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/mhng/image/dic0.jpg http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/mhng/page/dic0.htm | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2003 |
My error. I'm not sure what I was remembering but this painting does not resemble any of the faked dinosaur photos. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks David, How strange that you should make this uncharacteristic error. This sort of thing - "I'm not sure what I was remembering." uniquely characterizes some of the BEAM work I've done. Sometimes I wonder where these deceptive "memories", (which often - in hindsight - seem like plot timing adjustments to a bigger story) come from. It seems to me that the dinosaur photos, like Asket's hair, will provide a rich source of work for people to do while avoiding the personal devastation that the truth might bring them. Salome and keep up the good work! Cheers! Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 727 Registered: 02-2000 |
Here's the link to a painting of what they claimed Meier copied. http://www.petr-hejna.cz/BURIAN/170.JPG http://www.gep.alien.de/jufof/artikel_meier02.htm | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear all, Is there any website related to billy that includes all the fake photos with comments. In order to keep up to date with whats fake on the net. All in one place...? Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 525 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm... The first link is a Dead-Link. There appears nothing at all. But the second one is OK. I am also aware of this Scenario. I would think that someone did the painting just to bring Billy into the "Unworthy False ET Contactee" category. If One would look closely...One can see the BIG difference. And I must say: They FAILED Miserably!! Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Edward. Try www.gaiaguys.net/Burian.jpg "Is there any website related to billy that includes all the fake photos with comments?" Sorry, Junior. Looks like you've found a job opportunity! :-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 526 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson...Good Friend... Yes, that is a good link... Thank You.... Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 728 Registered: 02-2000 |
The link works for me. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm.... Yes, it does seem to work now... Edward. | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2004 |
dyson do you or anyone else know if the dinosaur photos that Randolph Winters showed in his video are real photos of dinosaurs? I only ask because they were very out of focus is all. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Phil, It's a little complicated, very like the Asket-Nera photos saga and the Men in Black. It's my recollection from the recent German language Special Bulletin #20 that all Billy's dinosaur photos were tampered with/falsified, except some original copies that Guido still has, but has promised not to release publicly. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 03-2004 |
I should add that there are four blurry dinosaur pictures on page 438 of Book One that are either unadulterated or only slightly fiddled with. D | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 06-2000 |
Maybe, because dinosaurs find photographers tasty, and photographers while filming must be hasty . But Dyson has it right - the effort that goes into falsifying Meier's work is enormous ." By all means", to keep people from being able to learn the truth . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Dyson About the picture of Asket i was wondering how could it be missed that it was faked, as i understood that Asket has Black hair. I would imagine it would be easy to spot the change of hair colour. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Junior, Asket's hair is just one of several such details that don't make sense. There are others at a far less trivial level. Who can forget the great crop circle topic? The best place to go to understand what's happening is Jim Deardroff's wonderful website. www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again, I just wanted to let you all know that there are some more unofficial translations linked from www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm (and a MAJOR article called "What CSETI Needs to Know" by Vivienne will be appearing very soon.) Much more Nokodemion material is underway, too. Salome, Dyson | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Dyson, Last time we spoke it was on or around the topic of semi-plausible deniability and although I understood the concept of why the plejaren did not fully disclose themselves at the same time I did not know what s.p.d really was and after responding the way I did I realized it was completely different than what I had initially thought it was. I agree with Deardorfs hypothesis and reasoning and the only reason that I am even mentioning s.p.d. now is because you had and although I understand its (being s.p.d.)function and goal I would just like to clarify something I feel could possibly add to the whole mix. Could it be that the plejaren have withheld their presence not simply to feed the skeptics by creating a worldwide UFO contreversy (which is the main goal and a good one at that) but also sheilding their ships from on-lookers (and evidently not to the Swiss military in some cases based on new evidence of radar readings www.theyfly.com) due to unnecessary attention/annoyance/attacks. I am sure they can and do shield not only thier visuals from us but their entire presence as well. So they clearly in some cases decided to grant "plausable admittance" or something close and not meant to take any credit away from Deardorfs ideas of s.p.d. or the Plejarens in essence. I fully agree with Deardorf that semi-plausible deniability is the method they have chosen to get the contraversy started but I am also adding that the Plejaren were not always doing this always. Some times it was necessary for photos to be taken like during the 70's when no digital or personal computers existed for tampering to take place and that's why many not all but most (98% or more) were taken before the 1980's. This was purely evidence oriented and deniability did not play a role when looked at from this particular angle. However, with the pictures or non-existance of pictures of the ET's would be an example of s.p.d., I just think there are additional issues to add. I think sometimes it suited the Plejaren to be seen and other times it did not. As most of us understand the mission is not about suiting what's best for the Plejaren but what is best for Billy and the family of Earth human now and for millenia. Although what is best for the Plejaren is just as important so sometimes they didn't need to be seen but more importantly we weren't ready to see them. Comments? Saalome, Tim | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tim, Thanks for your introspective observations. My comments? Try to stop me! :-) I certainly agree with you when you say, “… there are additional issues…”, and this entire area is obviously one of the most thought-provoking – exactly as intended by our friends and teachers from the stars. Let me introduce this theme by telling you about a friend of mine who has a very high level of intellectual intelligence (which does not rule out - indeed is often a hallmark of - spiritual stupidity) and a way with words. She almost NEVER simply SAYS something that does not also contain a nested collection of subtle and thought-provoking meanings. So she simultaneously communicates different messages to people of different levels of comprehension. It’s fascinating to watch and I detect it in the works of the Great Writers and in those ET folks we know with brains the size of planets. It’s one of the reasons it takes me about three hundred times as long to produce an adequate English language translation as it does for me to simply read and understand the original German language material from our current prophet, who is described (and I accept this) as “the wisest of the wise” (in the entire history of the entire universe!) and his many hyperclever ET cronies. But like with my friend, it helps a lot to have an IQ over 160 to more fully understand the stunningly humane brilliance of these guys. Not to mention the astonishing gift for his language that Herr Meier has, who I think should be filling his mantelpiece with prose and poetry prizes instead of constantly dodging hot lead! Anyway, just let me reiterate that I think, until S.P.D. is fully and logically understood, the case will remain enigmatic, but as soon as the penny drops, you go, “AHA!” and lots of confusing matters suddenly become clear. Gary Kinder ends his mid-80’s Meier research book, LIGHT YEARS with this: "I would not call him a prophet, though he may be. I would not rule out imposter, though I have no proof. I know that if you boiled the story in a kettle you would find a hard residue composed of two things: One would be Meier's ravings about time travel, space travel, philosophy, and religion; the other would be the comments by the scientists and engineers impressed with the evidence he has produced. I can't believe the former, nor can I dismiss the latter. He may simply be one of the finest illusionists the world has ever known, possessing not the power but the skill to persuade others to see things that did not happen and do not exist. Perhaps he has no such ability; perhaps beings on a much higher plane have selected him and controlled him and used him for reasons far beyond our comprehension. I do know this: Trying to make sense of it all has been the most difficult thing I will ever do. Finally I realized, as the Elders (Lee & Britt) had years before, that the truth of the Meier contacts will never be known." That's what he thinks! Now, belief-driven Gary Kinder did not have the advantage of hindsight that we enjoy, nor did he have the chance to read all the subsequent FIGU material offered in the German language, as I have, but his comments make clear that he didn’t “get it”, and I’m sorry to say that it is almost impossible for ANYONE who has not read the German material to fully “get it.” I was talking to Vivienne about this obstacle this morning when I remarked that dealing with the non-German-language people who are involved in this ET theme seems a little like the way it must have been visiting an asylum for the blind back in the days when people with profound visual impairments were traditionally segregated from society. I think you’d find a lot of genuine but clueless people debating the nature of things of which they were laughably ignorant, and in that bubble-like setting, they would even be ignorant of the poignant level of their own ignorance. This is strikingly demonstrated on the “Plejarens (sic) are Real” Yahoo* list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/messages), which mixes an alarming ignorance of the real nature of the Plejaren Federation’s wonderful Mission with extraordinarily cunning sophistry from the increasingly uncoordinated BAFATH puppets, whose dropped strings still seem taut to a lot of gullible and religiously poisoned people. Represented on that small list is a demonstrative cross-section of the misunderstandings of The Mission in general and S.P.D. in particular, but that is the nature of S.P.D. YOU get to decide where to draw the line (and even whether to draw one at all!) so you can – on one hand - “ … believe everything the Bible says, even the contradictory bits,” as the Simpsons cartoon character Ned Flanders once proclaimed, or – on the other hand – you can be so estranged by the "untrustworthy aliens" that you throw out this precious baby (truth) with the bathwater. And what you do is entirely in keeping with your own individual ability. Just this morning Jim wrote: "When they lie to us, it's likely because they feel it's for our long-range good. ... 1.) So they'll be much less likely to be accepted as gods & goddesses to be worshipped by us. 2.) Another reason is so that Meier can be kept in a debunked state, as long as ignorance dominates. In that manner, they will have accomplished two big goals at the same time. a) They will have gotten awareness of their presence across to those who can accept new concepts, while, b) avoiding a premature collapse of the UFO coverup that could wreak havoc for all. Thus they are allowing those in category a) to try to spread the word, the truth, to those who require there to be a category b)." Very shortly after I discovered BEAM, I wrote a little article (please see www.gaiaguys.net/ET-ETHICS.htm) at the behest of the Australasian UFOlogist Magazine which describes my take on the modus operandi of the ET enlighteners. Strangely, it was published only a few days after Jim’s on-line article, and I was pleased that I had arrived at the same conclusion as this esteemed scholar. The next matter you raised, Tim, is what is best for the Plejaren as opposed to what is best for us Earthlings. Although I think I understand how you mean this, I’d suggest that these two areas are not so mutually excusive. When a more adequate logical understanding of the nature of reality is finally grasped, one comes to the realization that what’s best for the Earthhuman is best for all the other Humans too. Somewhere in the vast unindexed FIGU literature I’ve read that all we Earthlings constitute a “We-form”, not unlike Petale or Arahat Athersata … but of course at a ridiculously lower level of spiritual evolution! … and it does not seem unreasonable to understand ALL of Humanity in that unifying light. We ARE indeed a collective organism and holographic subset of our own enlivening Creation, and, when more of us can perceive that, the truth will finally start to get a real grip on this god-forsaken planet, and more of us can start collecting the love, peace, freedom, wisdom and spiritual poise that is our birthright. But as Billy&Co. are so fond of saying, the truth is powerless against stupidity, and stupidity will never die out – especially among Earthhumans. And I hasten to make the semantic distinction between “stupidity” which is just a blunt way of describing an unfortunate inability to know, for any number of reasons, and “ignorance”, which is obviously "freely chosen unhappiness", as described in OM. Another little quote from this most valuable of all books comes from Jschrjsch Semjase. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/OMintro.htm) Kanon 20:38 Denn es ist dem Menschen entschwunden die Gesinnung der Bemühung, dass die Wahrheit soll erarbeitet werden durch eigene Kraft des Denkens und Forschens und Erkennens. 39. Also hat er sich gewandelt in der Form zum Irren, dass er nur noch das annehmen will als Wahrheit, das er mit seinen Händen berühren kann, und das er mit seinen Augen sehen kann, und das er mit seinen Ohren hören kann. 40. Es ist dies aber der Weg der Falschheit und des reinen Materiellen, der jeder Bemühung des Selbstdenkens, des Selbstfühlens, des Selbstforschens, des Selbstsuchens und der Selbsterkennung jeglicher Lösung und Wahrheit Hohn spricht und spottet. 41. Also ist nicht gegeben dadurch der Weg zur Erforschung der Wahrheit und der Findung der Wahrheit, weshalb durch den JHWH und durch den Propheten keine Zeichen oder nur sehr sparsam Zeichen gegeben sein sollen, die da von der Wahrheit zeugend sind. 42. Gegeben ist das Wort der Wahrheit, und dieses ist genügsam vollauf, um die Lehren der Wahrheit zu offenbaren für jene, die da sind willig, die Mühsal der Erlernung durch eigene Kraft anzugehen und zu tragen. The Earth human’s sense of effort towards seeking the truth has disappeared. He has lost the inclination to seek the truth through his inherent power of thinking, searching and recognizing. Therefore he has wandered into the erroneous form of thinking, that he will only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that he can see with his eyes and that he can hear with his ears. But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self-recognition of every solution and truth. Therefore through this, the way to the searching for the truth, and the finding of the truth, is not provided. And so, through the JHWH and the Prophets, no signs, or only sparse signs, should be given, that testify to the truth. The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of the truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power Finally, there seem to be a lot of people who cannot accept that people can actually be “burned by the truth” as Billy puts it. Let me give you an example in the form of a parable. Heartbreakingly, a sweet tempered little child is diagnosed, in a routine medical examination, with a terrible and incurable disease that could allow her a few happy years free of any overt symptoms, but then ineluctably results in terrible suffering and a quick end. (Don’t get me wrong. I’m not comparing Earth to a dying child!) The question remains: For the sake of truth, do you tell her what is in her sad future, thus wrecking any chance she has for the short years of joy that all children deserve? Or do you spare her this terrible truth? Let me answer that by saying common sense humanity should prevail. Many religiously poisoned Earthlings would obviously be devastated by the truth, and our ET helpers are only too aware of that. So their work incorporates a loving form of "childproofing". Sorry to be so longwinded, Tim, but I hope my comments will be part of the solution instead of part of the problem for those now struggling to come to grips with The New Golden Age of Knowledge. By the way, please read Vivienne's BIG new article entitled "What CSETI - the "Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence" Needs to Know" (about Billy Meier)!! Please come in from near the top of www.gaiaguys.net Salome, Dyson * (I think the origins of the word "Yahoo" are pertinent. It was a word invented by 17th-18th century Anglo-Irish author, Jonathan Swift. The Yahoos defended themselves by climbing trees and defecating on their enemies below.)"Book IV takes Gulliver to the Utopian land of the Houyhnhnms—grave, rational, and virtuous horses. There is also another race on the island, uneasily tolerated and used for menial services by the Houyhnhnms. These are the vicious and physically disgusting Yahoos. Although Gulliver pretends at first not to recognize them, he is forced at last to admit the Yahoos are human beings. He finds perfect happiness with the Houyhnhnms, but as he is only a more advanced Yahoo, he is rejected by them in general assembly and is returned to England, where he finds himself no longer able to tolerate the society of his fellow human beings. Gulliver's Travels' matter-of-fact style and its air of sober reality confer on it an ironic depth that defeats oversimple explanations. Is it essentially comic, or is it a misanthropic depreciation of mankind? Swift certainly seems to use the various races and societies Gulliver encounters in his travels to satirize many of the errors, follies, and frailties that human beings are prone to. The warlike, disputatious, but essentially trivial Lilliputians in Book I and the deranged, impractical pedants and intellectuals in Book III are shown as imbalanced beings lacking common sense and even decency. The Houyhnhnms, by contrast, are the epitome of reason and virtuous simplicity, but Gulliver's own proud identification with these horses and his subsequent disdain for his fellow humans indicates that he too has become imbalanced, and that human beings are simply incapable of aspiring to the virtuous rationality that Gulliver has glimpsed. Mankind, Swift may be suggesting, must content itself with a state that lies somewhere between the bestial and degenerate humanity of the Yahoos and the inhuman virtue and rationality of the Houyhnhnms." Copyright © 1994-2002 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Dyson, WOW!! What a response. You show great care for this topic. I intend to as well but I’m just not as furnished and as studied as you (ultimately irrelevant). Though I am reading where and when I can as the deep bliss of exploring unfolds within me. I do care. I just received OM, a mini travel pyramid and Einfuhrung in Die meditation yesterday so I’ve been as busy as you seem to be. As I read much of your articles/pages on your suggested reading (although I have not read all) and others I must say you have put a lot of effort into dissecting the reasons why the Plejaren do things instead of focusing on the more popular interests often being downright unnecessary. My reasoning says that you’ve just worked hard and long enough to know what is worthy for investigation and what is not. Or, it would seem this way and when first studying the contacts you, I and anyone else has had to ask the first primitive questions, the same seemingly “silly” and “unnecessary” questions that a lot of newcomers seem to be asking, and on one hand this is very good because it reflects interest in FIGU and the other is that it reflects on how much we have accomplished which is more less spurts of growth. When it comes individuals who incorporate bottom of the barrel ideas or indulge upon the less important aspects of the Meier case I find it can be tough altogether but I have been miss-lead before but fake ideologies and especially ones about life have never set very long with me. Luckily, I have not been able to stay mislead for very long, although my curiousness has aided my likelihood of becoming mislead, my active mind and openness to my spirit have usually won its way through persistence. Without taking up too much or your time I would simply like to convey that your work and your wife’s work (if I understand correctly you two work as a team?) has been one of great service to the UFO Community and ultimately the community in return.... and no I'm not referring to just the skeptics but to us as well and especially us here in the FIGU community. It gives me hope to know that people take the Meier Contacts and its implications so seriously and then work so diligently for the truth. I'm so excited, I've been practicing my German with a BIG German/English Dictionary as you recommended and I have arranged a plan for 4 College German Courses assuming the German spelling reform as of 2004/05 doesn't complicate the legibility of Billy's writings. And then the translation process for purchased German items should go smoother. So speaking of reasons why the Plejaren do the things they do (a topic just begging for logical thinking as it relates to the Plejaren and other ET Contacts) I stumbled on this while I was looking for some passages for my friend something I needed to clear up and I saw this... From easily accessible contact 251 Ptaah: You must continue to keep this secret; do not speak about it under any circumstances. We are only permitted to elaborate to the point as our withdrawal from Earth is linked with the immediate future and related events, in which we are not allowed to interfere in any form so that we may protect and keep close reigns on the secret regarding our own culture and region where we live. This is tied in also with the fact that some matters are impending. On one hand, we were able to foresee them but, on the other hand, they are the reason for our withdrawal, while events that have been unfolding on Earth for several decades now were part of our assignments. We have fulfilled this task, along with the many others we were obligated to look after, and you have played a very important role in this scenario of making public, worldwide, the so-called UFO phenomenon, as terrestrials have labeled it. You alone made it possible to promulgate this subject matter worldwide and provoke the controversy to the extent that it is not only religious and pseudo-esoteric sectarians, fanatics, gullible individuals, madmen, etc., who preoccupy themselves with the subject.” In the example from the 251st contact specifically when Ptaah talked about the reasoning for withdrawing being based primarily on their home world location staying unknown obviously from terrestrials but likely from other malevolent or benevolent Space faring creatures possibly giving them complications with interference in the mission or unnecessary involvement. Is it possible that this is an example of the Plejaren just doing something because it was in their best interests? And, ours too for we are the reason they are here in the first place, and they surely do not want to expose their lair maybe because we had developed better technology at that point and did not want to risk getting caught there or to the location of their home. I find it very interesting that they do not want to be seen but at the same have inspired an entire new field of ufologists!!! Obviously, they cannot even begin to take all the credit for this as there have been numerous sightings through out the ages and Billy alone has done much for the UFO controversy than any one person but we (free thinkers) of course with our curious thought provoking growing young minds are growing in numbers. Perhaps in this example the Plejaren's motives are much more complex than a simple act of looking out for themselves to protect the location of their home, or is this another example of s.p.d. ? Who knows? I find it rather silly that I'm discussing this to the extent that I am because I feel you’re right but also that that I am too. They are human as well and are obviously not superhuman and they have needs and personal circumstances too. I try to question but at the same time I don't want to delay progress. So I'll leave it at that. The Plejaren have done what they have done and the rest is really up to us now! I'm not so sure if I explained thorough enough in my last post when said (and maybe I'm just silly for stating the obvious) my whole point in my last post (whether clearly conveyed or not) was that the Plejaren did not always hide their presence but sometimes did because of our limited knowledge and reasoning abilities. I know that you could inform me on many more things about this case that might make me respect you even more but I try to respect people regardless of their accomplishments. Maybe I will never really know in a material sense what the Plejaren and Co.’s exact intentions were on all of their studies upon us nor should I know at this time. On some special missions they have revealed them selves on radar and other occasions they clearly did not. Why they did or didn’t… only time will tell. I simply have to accept that I should focus on my life and make that better first and when I do this and evolve in all levels of comprehension perhaps then will I even begin to understand the “TRUE AND FULL” intentions of the Plejaren. I accept that I do need to strive not only in my life but to understand why the plejaren have done certain things if I am to fully understand the whole message that Billy and Co. have provided. This is my duty as a consumer on this planet. It is clearly is within my reach to understand why they chose to go the secretive route when another path possibly could have been chosen by our president in the 70’s when warned of dangers that America is causing this planet along with other nations and even more importantly that they could have had conversations with ET’s through an intermediary Billy instead only to learn that the individuals in the Govt. planned to “turn” on their conception of the ET’s or Billy to steal technology. This I can understand and the burning desire inside of me constantly wants to know what they know about us that “they cannot disclose” and is clearly for our own good. I understand this and it is logical. But, that is the essence of S.P.D. and some things especially predictions like a comet should not be know because it would compound the impeding danger. I am just recapping on already understood issues (weird huh) After reading your page on S.P.D. I just got the sense that Deardorf was saying that the Plejaren are always using it for every scenario. Is this just a gross miss-interpretation or maybe S.P.D. encompasses a broader range of sophisticated implementation than I have discussed here. Maybe you have already given sufficient answers on this and if so please do not respond and I WILL find them! Saalome, Tim | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tim, Thank you for your kind words. Some of the answers you seek are on squirreled away on our site, and another key is in one of the books you don’t have yet. A bit of advice on dictionaries. You can never have too many. I have a whole self of English dictionaries, many of them quite old (used), and it taught me the valuable lesson that if you have enough dictionaries any word can mean anything. Seriously, though, Vivienne and I use about a half dozen German dictionaries and some of the more obscure and archaic words can only be nailed by us down this way. The recent spelling reform is not a problem. As to SPD … of course the Plejaren let themselves be seen when tactically prudent. Semjase(?) revealed that Kenneth Arnold’s famous 1940’s sighting was Plejaren. Likewise, I tend to agree with you that Professor Deardorff uses the SPD explanation much less conservatively that I do, but that is his (and everybody’s) prerogative. He also rejects chemtrails and the longitudinally polarized electromagnetic interferometers that are responsible for the current weather wars, etc. Again, that’s his prerogative as a retired atmospheric physicist (first 5,000ft.). He was a real groundbreaker with his iconoclastic notion that these profoundly advanced ETs were quite capable of not always telling the truth, as they are not some sort of stargods, so when Billy said, as the primary example, that they come “from” the Pleiades, it was not necessarily he who was making up stories ignorantly. (I bitterly recall reading this Pleiades claim back in the 70’s. As intended by BEAM, it instantly put me off until 2001! ARG!) This very incisive “lying-ETs” idea of Deardorff’s has, of course, been widely and often deliberately misunderstood, and our own work here has shown us that – as you may know – many belief-driven folks are repelled by such untrustworthiness, thus tragically denying themselves the Great Treasure of the empowering renewed teachings. Each at his own speed. As to the section you excerpt from #251, this is an area I hope to deal with soon, as a short excerpt from one of the recently published contacts, where we learned (as at around 1990, anyway) that there may have been an OPEN contact with China from their distant relatives. Open ET contact is also an area also touched upon by Vivienne in her upcoming part 2 of www.gaiaguys.net/csetineedstoknow.htm , which already is in need of revision, thanks to something kindly pointed out by our friend Norm. (Incidentally, Ms Legg and I are more than spouses. She is my “true love”. Certainly Vivienne and I are a team, and our strength – particularly in translations – rests in our ability to employ reciprocal constructive criticism.) Anyway, Vivienne’s article about crop circles www.gaiaguys.net/ptaacropcs.htm might be useful if you haven’t already read it, and stay bookmarked for more from us about future ET contact. Incidentally, the basic reason for The Mission is simple and clear. It is to bring again the teachings of Creation in an un-falsified form, for the benefit of the people of the Golden Age of Knowledge. And for that, for them, for Billy and FIGU and particularly Creation itself, I am eternally grateful. Salome, Dyson | ||
Smythstar Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2005 |
I know im probably in the wrong area to ask this but im new here and dont know my way around so here it goes. Since the pleadians take several wives does Billy think this is reasonable idea for human society as well? The native people here in oz do so and many other tribal societies, so I suppose its a natural concept. One woman is enough of a headache for me as it is let alone 4 or 5, (can you imagine the infighting and jealosy) I guess to many women in the same house isnt a good idea but maybe pleadian chicks are above all this? Somehow im still drawn to the idea though? Id like to hear your ideas, also how do the Pleadians live, like in one big house nuclear family style? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 694 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Smythstar, I have mentioned many times before you may find out what you are looking for, if you would do a search. Here is a question I had to Billy back in 2002: Hello Billy Thanks very much for your help. As I understand it, the Plejaren male may have more then one wife at a time. Do you know how this is arranged on a daily basis? Does each female maintain a seperate residence on a seperate parcel of land and the male comes to visit each female at different times? Thanks very much Salome Scott Baxter ANSWER: Hi Scott, Of course there are also Plejaran males who are not married, and there are men who are married to just one woman. Each family (of a maximum of 5 persons: husband, wife, three children) and, therefore, each wife has her own house and parcel of land (about 100 x 100 m). In the case of Quetzal who has four wives, all of them live on adjoining parcels of land. And Quetzal himself has his own house too (somewhere out in the wilderness he built a cabin where he has a vegetable garden, many animals, including cows that he is milking himself when he is there. Funny, isn't it?! --- And in case you are planning to ask what the cows are doing with their milk when he's not there: Then the androids have some work to do.) There are other families, however, where the women/wives live in different places. And there are families where the women and children live together, but where each wife/family still has her own residence where she can go to if she wishes. The man is visiting his several families (if there are several) on a regular basis. But, of course, he is always willing and ready to visit all his families anytime if there is a problem, and the wives are there for him too if he has a problem. etc. Scott | ||
Smythstar Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2005 |
Cheers mate, sounds very interesting and potentually workable, even here now. Of course we would have to stop all of the crazy feminist nonsense the girls are constantly bombarded with first or there would be no chance of this let alone any happy experiance with such a woman. The Pleadians sound almost tribal with some of the things they do. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2005 |
Could someone please explain the differences and similarities between a marriage on earth and that amongst the Plejarens? Do they fall in love? Are there ceremonies like ours? do they celebrate certain events like the birth of a child? Melli | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Melli In the book and still they fly guido says that on ERRA they also have unmarried people just as we do and they practice polygamous form of marriage and is based on natural laws and commandments. The inseminator can mate with several female lifeforms and the female may have only one bond of marriage. Look the best thing for you to do is to purchase the book for your own study, nothing beats reading the book yourself. There is so much to learn from the book and often times you will be re-reading it over and over again to verify and corroborate what is said in this forum and elsewhere. I hope it helps peace be with you | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: I would like to share some thought, which is in line with what Dyson wrote (brilliantly) in September (see above). When i read any FIGU related texts on spirituality, the meaning (or my own understanding) is different when it is presented in English only, compared to when is it presented in GERMAN AND ENGLISH, side by side (or paragraph by para. like Dyson and Vivienne are doing) I know nothing of German, but when i read test English-German, it is MORE CLEAR, MORE CONCISE and assimilate more easily. I can`t explain. The info seems to be steered more easily in my mind (I just lack the words to explain it better). A good example is the introduction of spiritual teaching on the FIGU web site. You have the english version and a "German-English" version in the translation section. Well, from reading the German -English version, i am getting a different, more clear, more profound understanding . Try and see for yourself! Conclusion 1: By extrapolating, learning German can definetely help Conclusion 2: Specially for spiritual matters, rely on information presented together with German. Conclusion 3: Perhaps avoid spiritual info not presented with the German back to back? Salome to all Eric | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2005 |
IF ANYONE HERE HAS SPOKEN WITH MEIER OR KNOWS HOW TO GET INCONTACT WITH HIM, PLEASE DO SO AND ASK HIM," IS STEPHEN U. FROM MONTEBELLO CA A GENUINE CASE?" AND HE WILL CONFIRM MY CLAIMS. WHY WOULD I BE LYING HERE? I WANT TO HELP FREE MANDKIND OF RELIGION, THAT IS MY MAIN CONCER BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED OF ME BY THIS ALIEN RACE, SINCE I WAS TOLD THAT IM A LIER AND IT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE PLEIADIANS, THEN IT IS ONE OF THE 4 OTHER RACES THAT VISIT HERE...PLEASE, IF ANYONE HERE THAT THINKS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE U FOLLOW THE CASE TO TO BARE BACK, AND WISH U TOO WERE A CONTACTEE AND WONT BELIEVE ANYONE ELSE BUT MEIER, GO AHEAD AND ASK HIM ABOUT ME... | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 530 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Mtbstephen Perhaps you may like to ask Billy by yourself. Please go to: FIGU's Discussion Board » The Mission » "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier » Your Questions to Billy Meier--Answered Submit your question to Billy, do it quick, as that section will be closed real soon. Hope this helps Savio | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear mtbstephen Hi stephen can you explain to us then how you will help with the mission? what will you physically do to help it? I think its really futile for you to try to convince people on this forum of your claim, if it's true then so be it, I am sure you can find other creative ways of letting others know of the genuiness of your claim other than how you did it without subtlety for you have just bought yourself curiosity ladened with negative scepticism, Is it your intention then to test people on this forum, to get our feathers ruffling or noise to rise to a cresendo only to make people look stupid once you have done with whatever malintentions your action is based on? peace be with you | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 06-2005 |
Scott, please don't get upset with me, but I am lost... You may recall that I was asking what is "Telekenesis" and if it has a connection to our consciousness? you said that I posted the Q. in the wrong area and you have moved it to a more appropriate area. But I cannot find the original Q. in any new area. Where is it posted? If and when possible, I would really appreciate an answer from someone. Thank you. Hi Melli, Here is the link to your post: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1180.html Regards Scott | ||
Mtbstephen Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2005 |
Well Newinitiation, so far its been word of mouth for me. Ever heard of Myspace??? Most of the yungsters have a page and I know many of my friends and acquittances search the network, I was never taken for an idiot threwout my years of school, so the info about me on my page, hopefully, won't be taken lightly by the people who grew up with me. Who ever views me will at least be introduced to Billy Meier. Check it out...Stephen Ulloa |
