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    Norm Member Post Number: 739 Registered: 02-2000 |
Fury in India over call for more Hindu babies NEW DELHI (Reuters) - A leading Hindu hard-liner has angered women and Muslims by pressing Hindus to have as many children as they can to avoid being swamped by Muslims. http://makeashorterlink.com/?R4CB21B3C | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 778 Registered: 02-2000 |
Specter Says He Hasn't Considered Population Impact of Amnesty (Illegal Immigration). At a news conference this week, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) was asked "Have you done any demographic estimates or demographic impact statements for how this bill will affect the population of the country in 10, 15, 20 years?" Specter replied, "No. We've barely been able to get a bill typed up." In FAIR's latest press release Dan Stein points out that, "The so-called 'comprehensive immigration reform' legislation moving to the Senate floor would wreak havoc on the economic, social, and environmental life of the nation . . . Every member of Congress who supports this program of massive government mandated population growth should have an obligation to explain to the American people why he or she believes that this country will be better off with a population of a billion people within the lifetimes of today's children." These guys are passing Bills with out even knowing the consequences of what will happen to the population level of the country. This is insane! http://www.steinreport.com/ | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2005 |
hello all, since this topic is overpopulation, can overpopulation be a problem? isn't it already stable and under control with so many people being murdered every minute and people dying of diseases, old age, and some children dying of sickness and at times dead at infancy? so many people die each day so how can there be overpopulation? regards, isabella | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Isabella, As far as I understand, The world is still overpopulated despite that thousands of people die each day. As far as I know, the Plejarens calculated the surface area of the Earth, and subtracted the land that is either Arctic, or mountanous or desert regions etc. They determined that only 12% of the land was fit for agricultural use, and allotted 4000 sq m to every human being. This is because that is the amount of land needed for them to fully and independantly support themselves. Therefore, only 529 million people can be sustained comfortably by the planet. We now have well above 10x the number of people that the planet could sustain. If 9\10ths of the people were killed off tomorrow, then we'd be okay, but that is not going to happen anytime soon. This is driven by religions which proclaim that we "must be fruitful and multiply". Also, they fight to ban contraceptives in the third world countries because sex only for pleasure is a sin or some stupidity like that. I'm not sure the reason. All this information can be looked at on the FIGU website. Also, have you bought any of the brochures? They're very interesting and contain a lot more information than I could possibly post here. All of the information in this post is straight form there. They go into how the discrimination of women as sex slaves and slaves in the home ties in directly with religions and overpopulation. Very interesting. | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2006 |
Isabellacoca the plejaren now say that 7.5 billion people exist here on earth today.The U.S. world pop. data, concludes that there are 6.5 billion,and that 1.7% of earth's people,I believe, die every day and 3.8% is the ratio of world birth's.Now Isabellacoca the number of people is one issue,however a greater issue exist's, with regard's to the spiritual aspect's of life,you see, spirit's are returning at a faster pace and so are being improperly corrected.Focus your studies here on the spirit,rather than inaccurate population and ratio number's.The current overpopulation problem will indeed have it's cause and effect.Salome Pudd | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 03-2004 |
hello Isabella for each person that is murdered or that dies from disease etc, much more are born, every second that passes babies are brought everywhere newly born human beings that arrived in this world every second (in 1993): 1 second 3 humans 1 minute 180 humans 1 hour 10,800 humans 1 day 259,200 humans 1 week 1,814,400 humans 1 month 7,884,000 humans 1 year 94,608,000 humans and then in 1994: 1 second 6 humans 1 minute 360 humans 1 hour 21,600 humans 1 day 518,400 humans 1 week 3,628,800 humans 1 month 15,768,00 humans 1 year 189,216,00 humans now imagine how are things today in 2006!!! for clear explanations of why overpopulation is a problem and why does war and natural catastrophes will not solve it, check the Overpopulation section in the FIGU website with many writings from Billy and friends take care | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 02-2000 |
Isabellacoca, Please read, http://www.figu.org/us/overpopulation/crusade/1.htm | ||
Adam New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Isabellacoca, Overpopulation truly is the greatest problem on Earth today. The amount of human beings entering the Earth far exceeds the amount dying through suicide, wars, natural disasters, sicknesses etc. Environmental destruction, poverty, wars, violence, sicknesses and all other related ills in the world are greatly magnified by overpopulation. The media and governments have created a diversion calling for monetary aid and food aid for poor, developing countries, as if this is the solution to the problem. This does more harm than good as developing nations rely on other nations to solve their problems rather than take the initiative themselves. This leads to emigration of persons from their homelands in mass numbers in search of a higher standard of living, instead of making a positive difference in their own countries. The only humane solution is population control and reduction and there is no time to waste implementing this. Christian Frehner mentions on the Meier case Update - 2006 DVD that at the end of 2005 the Earth's human population was 7.5 billion, 1 billion more than estimated by the U.S. census. This is a huge difference considering the optimum Earth population is around 500 million. Regards Adam | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2005 |
Very lengthy and interesting the reading was and is Norm. Thank you Norm for helping me understand why we should be concerned about overpopulation and anything related. I also thank Memo00 for the insight on the birth rate around the world and helping me realize that although people are dead, there's those who are born. I also thank you Pudd for giving me insight based on your opinions, beliefs, and memories from what you were taught yourself and about the plejarens. And last but not least, I thank you Sonik_01 for your response and insight on overpopulation still being a major issue in our world. I, after reading much of the info from the link norm posted, I just remembered about Romania, my birth country. I'm sure members of this forum have heard of the infamous communist ruler: Nicolae Ceausescu. He made sure a birth rate law was passed in which it required that each single mother/female and family had to have 5 children before she turns 45 before she's allowed to cease birthing legally(abortion, birth pills, and no sexing).If they didn't follow the law, family's were taxed heavily. His goal was to raise Romania's population to 3 million(i think) by 2000. Even after him and his wife's execution in 1989(i was 2 years old at the time), the population continued to rise steadly because the law was still there and it's still there today. now what's so messed up about this is that while he passed out the birth law, he was exporting foods out to neighboring countries to pay off the national debt which Romania still have today. Dag, overpopulation is a sad and depressing thing to think and talk about, but at least I am aware of it now. Thank You everyone. salome, isabella coca | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2005 |
thanks Adam! I enjoyed reading your post/response. it helps me to realize on a higher percentage that overpopulation is a humungus problem. regards, isabella coca | ||
Zefram Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi all, thanks to all for your answers, I appreciate them and I have learned from, what will be the scenario in our near future is we continue to raise the population?, the human impact in our planet is heavily, we can see the consequences in the global weather, the catastrophies world wide, I´m really worry about and I see that the leaders don´t do anything to solve this problem to the contrary they incentive the births. I really see that this problem will collapse and could provoke a global war between the north against the south for the inmigration. Thanks Salome, Zefram | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Zefram, If human population continues to increase all the current problems will increase in magnitude also. The air we breathe will become more polluted and contain less oxygen, the water we drink and use for cooking, cleaning and so on will be more contaminated. There will be less living space, less fertile soil for growing crops and food will become scarce. Poverty will increase, as will hunger and starvation. Natural disasters such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tidal waves and so on will do more damage to the environment and kill many inhumanely. Global warming will rise and holes in the ozone layer will become larger. More species of plants and animals will be endangered and become extinct. The list goes on and on. The newest technologies must be implemented in all areas as soon as possible, however this is only a temporary solution. It is very worrying the direction we are heading, yet the solution is so simple. A world wide halt of births and population control. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen anytime soon. Greed, lust for power and money, egomania, megalomania and utter ignorance and stupidity are rampant like an epidemic on this planet. Knowledge and awareness of the problem is the first step so talk to family and friends about it and plant the seeds of positive change. Regards Adam | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2006 |
Did Billy ever explain why he decided to have 3 children? It seems to contradict his own teachings.In addition,it takes time to grow and educate kids,and that time could be more necessary to the mission.I know i appear to be a bit demagogic,but i just want to know the opinion of others. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Hector, When I first read that Billy had 3 children along side the fact that figu recommends only 2 (really 0 for an indefinite period i.e. birthrate halt) or 3 max. I wondered, "does he not care about overpopulation?" But, then I also realized what legacy his children (if chosen) could carry on. They have spent the most time around Billy out of anyone and (I don't know how they act towards him now since they are older) but I would raise the thought that since they've lived in the vicinity of Billy i.e. Swiss country they're probably more centered people who follow the creative laws. Also, think about the worst case scenarios in certain countries like Africa, India and China who have nearly 5-6 Billion alone!! I learned by doing some studies in school about it not being uncommon for (Sub-saharan and other locations in the lowest conditions) Africa's women to bear 15-20 children or until their reproduction capabilities stop working. I have found education and wealth is directly tied to the families "size". The more educated and (possibly wealth??) the wiser choices and more alternative activities to engage are at your disposal, instead of sex. I have figured in Billy's case it may be well worth having the family size that he does. And, remember he did not break any creational law, he only met the limit of 3 children. I personally do not have any children, but then again I'm not going through the struggles Billy is either. Salome, Tim | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 822 Registered: 02-2000 |
I thought Billy said three was the max? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 12-2004 |
That's correct. There is a difference between suggestive answers and actual answer. suggested #2, actual #3 I did mention that right after "i.e. birthrate halt" Yes, As a mater of fact I'm giving a speach on this topic round about 1 month from now. I already gave a speech on environmental destruction caused by all humans and my next speech will tie into a solution to this problem where limiting the Worlds population will directly relieve some tension to a reasonable level. But, first the birthrates must be minimized similar to what figu suggests with a 7 year cycle of birth-rate halts with a year or two to reproduce continuing as long as it minimizes us to 200+ and some odd million. Plus An introduction to a rotating alphabetic system that pre-determines who will be able to have children after one of the 7 year cycles is complete. Have any ideas for tid-bits I can put in my speech Norm or anyone?? I am mainly attempting to persuade the existance of Overpopulation. Btw, it's for a college speech course. Tchuss, Tim | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 826 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tjames, use these. "Its just obvious that you can't have open immigration and a welfare state." – Noble award-winning economist, Milton Friedman "If government knew how, I should like to see it check, not multiply the population." – Ralph Waldo Emerson “Population growth is the primary source of environmental damage.” – Jacques Cousteau “...democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more people there are, the less one individual matters." – Isaac Asimov "I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet." – Albert Einstein -- letter, 1954 "The leadership are fooling themselves. Overpopulation is a very serious problem, and over immigration is a big part of it. We must address both. We can't ignore either." – David Brower,The late Sierra Club hero who was nominated three times for the Nobel Peace Prize. Outside Magazine, July 1998 "Short of nuclear war itself, population growth is the gravest issue the world faces. If we do not act, the problem will be solved by famine, riots, insurrection and war." – Robert McNamara, Former World Bank President "Unlike plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases we do not yet understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess. What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and education of the billions who are its victims." – Rev. Martin Luther King | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 12-2004 |
Wow, Thank You Norm! These are tremendously insightful quotes. Several of which I think I might use. Issac Asimov"s and Rev. Martin Luther King's. After much thought about the issue 5 years ago when I initially discovered FIGU I then had to face the fact that Overpopulation IS the most pressing issue affecting this planet and perhaps more important than extraterrestrials... Thus, I awakened to the reality that we need to do something about this and that this is much more important than I previously had thought. I now know the true gravity of the situation and hopefully others will too. "Unlike plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases we do not yet understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess. What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and education of the billions who are its victims." – Rev. Martin Luther King Tim James | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 830 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tjames, You might not like the full MLK quote.  "Recently, the press has been filled with reports of sightings of flying saucers. While we need not give credence to these stories, they allow our imagination to speculate on how visitors from outer space would judge us. I am afraid they would be stupefied at our conduct. They would observe that for death planning we spend billions to create engines and strategies for war. They would also observe that we spend millions to prevent death by disease and other causes. Finally they would observe that we spend paltry sums for population planning, even though its spontaneous growth is an urgent threat to life on our planet. Our visitors from outer space could be forgiven if they reported home that our planet is inhabited by a race of insane men whose future is bleak and uncertain. There is no human circumstance more tragic than the persisting existence of a harmful condition for which a remedy is readily available. Family planning, to relate population to world resources, is possible, practical and necessary. Unlike plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases we do not yet understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess. What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and education of the billions who are its victims." – Rev. Martin Luther King, May 5, 1966. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2004 |
Yes, you guessed right, It's not as concise as the first one but it describes the point with much more gravity and in greater detail that I almost want to say the whole thing, but that's way to long. I am suprised at him mentioning UFO's but him being a very religious man he most likely dismisses them off as a devils machiniation or something evil. On the other hand Luther King was extremely inteligent so even with his disposition (religious toxicity) he was still effective and it even fuels his compassion, ultimately, he uses his understanding and clearly cuts through the Bull@#$# and hits home. "Our visitors from outer space could be FORGIVEN (religious undertone) if they reported home that our planet is inhabited by a race of insane men whose future is bleak and uncertain." Seriously, I couldn't have said it better myself. And, no better man for his role than Dr M, being a man of majesty and of solution through concience and wisdom powerfully interwoven together with his special intelligence to grasp the issues and then send them back to the audience as if he had already had them solved. And above all else he had a deep respect for all beings. He understood men and what life is about. Despite his religiousness as I stated earlier, he has given me great inspiration. And, aside from Billy Meier I hold Dr. MLK in very high esteem. Of course there are others that really stuck out in the public eye but there was no other like Dr. Martin Luther King a man who simply moved me as a youngster and continues to this day everytime I see his speeches with his uplifting spirit of action! Thanks again Norm for the link. Oh P.S. we had talked last year about downloading movies (I don't expect you to remember) but I'm looking for the program agian. It was around the time we(I)were/was looking for wendels contact books. I have since obtained a new computer and therefore all the info on the drive is (obviously) gone. Salome Tim James | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 834 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tim, storman3@bellsouth.net | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Norm, Thanks alot for those quotes. I gave my speech on Monday and I guess they anticipated my overpopulation speech because I was the 17th speeker out of 25 and after I gave my speech (which I got an A) 80% percent of the class left. Hey, what do ya know maybe people are starting to come around after all. By the way I used the one from Issac Asimov. Thanks again! Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 850 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tjames, I'm glad I was able to help.  My Website |
