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Tony
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"The two links you post are both heavily slanted towards the universe being a dangerous place. The Cutting edge with its view of the Biblical agendas and Newsmax and its rightwing leaning rhetoric, are still only a one sided argument. It's not that I don't think there's something to these articles, I just would like to see a viewpoint from another angle."

Shawn, I'm unsure why you get drawing on that religious connection of Bill Schnoebelen for, and not look at it also from the bigger picture too (Putin, U.S. military officers, henoch prophecies). If Putin is not bluffing about Russia having Scalar weaponry, then everything that Bill Schnoebelen and those news websites are saying about the ability and implications of what Russian Scalar weaponry will do to the U.S. would be TRUE (render all conventional weapons of war totally obsolete). The U.S. has spent the vast amount of all its military spending money on conventional weaponry - all now virtually obsolete because of Scalar. The U.S. has also spent huge amounts of money on defensive systems such as Star Wars Defense System and numerous other technological defense systems too - Scalar makes all them totally obsolete now because Scalar weaponry travels at the speed of light!

In light of what the henoch prophecies have said about Russia and the U.S. clashing against each other in WW3, as well as henoch prophecies also saying that America will suffer 'total devastation' too (but HP not saying from who), as well as also in light of the stance that Russia is starting to take towards the U.S. regarding Russia's discontent with what the U.S. is doing and trying to do to other countries in the world today, as well as also now in light of Putin's recent declaration of Russia's new super weapon capability, I DO NOT believe that Putin is bluffing about Russia having Scalar weaponry.
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Markc
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Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are the Henoch prophecies specific about WW3 being the time of the total destruction , or is that an assumption ?

I remember that the associated ( by event) time was not mentioned . I think someone is assuming this .
Mark Campbell
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Kingman
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok now I am not and have not ruled out the basis of those articles. I normally don't just take what a minister or a world leader says at face value. Forming a statement around the information of these two sources is not going to be complete. Just because we hear Putin proclaiming his military options doesn't automatically make Russia the Henoch culprit. There's lots of movement in the world as far as possible new country's forming or maybe a European/Asian/coalition that could attack the US.

The US has many more experimental projects than the rest of the pack, black ops and such, so I can't automatically rule on the US as being the underdogs. As far as who is the superpower, it's who ever steps up to claim the title.

But really, my true point was that we should gather together more sources of our topics so we have a more BALANCED discussion and increase our clarity of our world. Each of you who are involved right here, I value your perceptions. Why? Because we already agree on the most important one, and that's Billy mission. We all form a greater mind if we do justice to these discussions and engage with abundant references
a friend in america
Shawn
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Tony
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Far in the west, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction.The cause for this will be manifold. With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her worldwide in many countries."

http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/A%20Future%20That%20We%20Can%20.pdf
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Kingman
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tony, Bill Schnoebelen should write about things he's trained for. His putting this info out is a farce in my opinion. He's a preacher, not a military analysts. I'm certainly not going to base any ideas off of what he produces, he's in the wrong profession. If he's compelled to be an author, he is better suited as a RELIGIOUS one.

It's very easy to cherry pick data to form a skewed point, especially in areas that deal with military secrets and realities. In amongst some truth's, and untruth's, will be his agenda and he'll form his fear tactics around them.

And there seems to be some kind of belief that WW3 is gonna happen. Henoch isn't guaranteeing anything as an unavoidable. Religious fear mongering and WW3 correlations(Armageddonism) are ideas of a dangerous universe point of view. Take care that we clear our minds of any seeds that may get planted from delving into these topics.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Vestri
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark, if it wasn't during this time (WW3) that America will suffer total destruction, then at what time do you think it would happen if it is not during the 15 year third world war?

Also how come America is going to suffer total destruction in its own soil if the great and super migthy U.S.A. is protected by its super high tech 'Star Wars Defense System' which is designed to knock intercontinental nuclear missles out of the sky? What form of weaponry is going to cause total destruction to the U.S.A.?

Also which country(s) in the world do you think COULD or WOULD going to cause this destruction to the U.S.A.?

I'm guessing its Russia with its Scalar weaponry which penetrate America's defense's because Putin said "President Vladimir Putin saw fit to reassure Russians that America's shield could be defeated, with a silver bullet successfully tested in February." Who do you think it could be that could cause such destruction to the U.S.A.?
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Kingman
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vestri, from the beginning the Star Wars Defense Initiative was a Cold War ploy. It was an initiative. The systems proposed and tested were also intended to keep the economy rolling. Billions were spent and nothing of the examples they proposed came about. We haven't a Star Wars System.

Politicians kept the funding as Reagan kept up the posturing of the "Evil Empire" theme. Sure a few things came out of the programs, but by no means do we have an umbrella of protection.
The day before 911, Donald Rumsfeld proclaimed there was a trillion dollars missing from the Defense Dept. funds (immaculate timing). What possible excuse can they have to explain that. And this doesn't included approved black ops projects. Surely some of that money is funding some highly controversial projects that could never be talked about due to their illegality. The US plays by their own rules and they pretend that they are on the same page as everyone else.

All said, I can say that you are possibly right that Russia, IF there was a WW3, is a high potential as an aggressor nation. Mainly because like the US, Russia's leader is consolidating power as Bush is and power hungry leaders are notorious for pushing wars thru.
a friend in america
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Jo_jo
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Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

“Scalar weapons are electromagnetic waves emitted through a specially constructed radio antenna”. Sounds like HAARP. Giga-watts of power are necessary for it to be effective. It’s hard to generate that kind of power inconspicuously. Exactly what does the so-called Russian “scalar weapon” consist of? Will it be effective at knocking out the 2,000 – 6,000 nuclear warheads the US has on hair-trigger alert around the globe? Sounds like mutually assured destruction (MAD).
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Vestri
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 02:20 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Exactly what does the so-called Russian “scalar weapon” consist of? Will it be effective at knocking out the 2,000 – 6,000 nuclear warheads the US has on hair-trigger alert around the globe? Sounds like mutually assured destruction (MAD)."


There was something posted a while ago on the forum (from Dyson i think?) about how russia and america both have the technology to make nuclear missles denonate while they are still sitting in the ground.


"mutually assured destruction (MAD)"?

Don't know who caused this total devastation to the U.S. but if it was russia, according to the henoch prophecies, we only that one country in the world is mentioned as being totally devastated and that country is the bad, bad, bad country of bad ol' U.S.A. If that does happen, at least thats one good thing that would come out of ww3 - to see the U.S.A. go down. The U.S.A. is responsible for starting WW3 and its only fair that it go down.

I can't stand seeing such a corrupt country as the U.S.A. bullying and policing the world for its own gains, and hiding under a veil of freedom and goodness. If it happens, good riddings i say.
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Kingman
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vestri, the US isn't full of people trying to take over the world. To want to see the innocent along with the very few responsible "go down", is something I think you may want to contemplate and ask yourself if this is a positive-neutral thought.

I would say that the reality of humanity, is that when we get to far ahead with our technology, before we are spiritually able to use it wisely, we create an atmosphere where humans try to dominate over other humans. Watching the neocons in the Bush administration is a classic example of this fault.

Most Americans wish we never had another war, ever. I definitely understand how you feel. I just keep thoughts such as those to myself and not spread such a negative energy. But of course you may say whatever you wish, it's a right were beginning to lose here in the US.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Hunter
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

* Also the henoch prophecies don't say nothing about Russia also being "totally devastated" too from going into war with America, as is what one might think or expect to happen if they did go to war with the U.S. Have you considered any of that?

But they do say the entire northern hemisphere is virtually unihabitable due to radiation, etc. Russia is in the northern hemisphere. They also say the U.S. will inflict a lot of devastation and that a group of extraterrestrials hidden on earth might expose themselves to join against the U.S. for causing so much devastation.
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Kingman
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Excellent observation Hunter. It is as much what is said, as what wasn't said in the Henoch Prophecy's.

I wonder how these hidden E.T.'s, if the prophecy becomes reality, they would assist the joined forces, which by the way is my feeling that country's will join together to stop the bullying US Gov.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dear forum

Correct me if I held a different and maybe the wrong assumptions in regards to the hidden ET.
From what I have read thus far, I never heard any hidden ET's who MIGHT come to the rescue to aid those being subjugated with terror by the US during the WW3 if ever it occurs.

Fellow forum members, on which contact note did it specifically mention the words hidden ET's because I am sure it wasn't on the henoch prophecies.

Anyone?
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Vestri
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kingman:"Vestri, the US isn't full of people trying to take over the world. To want to see the innocent along with the very few responsible "go down", is something I think you may want to contemplate and ask yourself if this is a positive-neutral thought. ..Most Americans wish we never had another war, ever. I definitely understand how you feel. I just keep thoughts such as those to myself and not spread such a negative energy. But of course you may say whatever you wish,"



Kingman, I'm talking about things from the bigger picture and not from the small picture that looking at it from. Whats the best thing to happen for the rest of the world and not whats the best thing to happen just for the minority negative megalomainiacal American people as your looking at it just from? Do the American people give a stuff about their military army buchering the lives of 40,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians? No they don't or else they wouldn't be so many of them backing Bush.

Would it be a good thing to happen for the rest of the world if the U.S.A. GOES DOWN during WW3, even if it meant that the majority of the innocent American people also had to go down with the U.S. too? I believe YES and I'll explain some examples of what i mean.

Example 1
What good has the U.S. done or is about to do for the rest of the world? What are the 3 best and 3 worst things of these that the U.S. has done or is about to do?


What BAD the U.S. has done for the world:
1. the U.S. will be responsible for the lives of around 4 billion people if WWW3 happens.
2. the U.S. is the country most responsible for intentionally succeeding in keeping the world in the dark on such important issue's like ET's, free energy, religion, ect, and as such is the most responsible country for HOLDING BACK the world.
3. the U.S. is the country thats most responsible for keeping world famine where it is today and as a result millions of people are dying each year.

What GOOD has the U.S. done for the world:
1, 2, 3. All trivial in comparision to the bad.


Example 2
Would it be better for the world if WW3 happens but the U.S.A. doesn't go down in the war???
With a weaker world after the war, and the U.S. not going down, the U.S. would be far more powerful to the rest of the world in comparrision to how it is now. The U.S. would have a stranglehold over the rest of the world in military, bread basket, money, policies, power, EVERYTHING. Who knows for how many more hundreds of years the rest of the world would be in enslavement to the EVIL policies and rule of the evil U.S. government?? How many more years will the world be kept in the DARK on the issues of the number 2 of the BAD list above??? Would this be a GOOD thing to happen (U.S. not going down in WW3) if WW3 happens, after all, the U.S. was responsible for starting WW3 and as such the U.S. being responsible for causing the deaths of around 4 billion people and also for the destruction to the planet too?? In my opinion, no way known would it be a good thing to happen if the U.S. didn't go down if WW3 happened!!


Would it be a GOOD thing to happen for the U.S. to suffer total devastation during WW3 and GO DOWN?

EXAMPLE 3

If it wasn't a good thing to happen as well as also the right thing to happen too, then why are extraterrestrial forces going or are thinking of going to help the rest of the world by intervening against the U.S. for if it wasn't a good thing to happen? And why are the Plejarens allowing these other ET's to do it too if it wasn't a good thing to happen too?

"The entire planet will become an arena of unparalleled suffering, which will never have existed before on Earth up to that time. The cruel happenings will last about 888 days and cause civilisation to collapse.......And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality."

http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm


If the ET's intention is to help the world's countries who are being terrorised by the U.S. (and england), then the ET's goal is to see the U.S. suffer to some degree or go down, is it not? Could this also be the cause of why the U.S. is going to down for too, when by the U.S. being so powerful, it really shouldn't be the country to suffer the worst fate of all?

Is this why the Henoch prophecies only mentioned one country being totally devasted and not two countries (russia) because it was the only one that did suffer that fate, as is contrary to what jo_jo and others think would happen to whichever country that went to war and attacked the U.S.?? (mutually assured destruction, MAD) The HP don't mention another TOTAL DESTRUCTION country.


So would it be a GOOD thing to happen for the U.S. to suffer total devastation during WW3 and GO DOWN? My opinion is absolutely, and if it wasn't, then why are ET's going to intervene against the U.S. when they shouldn't, and why are the Plejarens allowing it to happen if these other ET's decide to too???


Like I said, the only good thing to come out of WW3 if it happens, is the U.S. getting TOTALLY DEVASTATED and GOING DOWN! Good riddings, I say, and when it happens, if it happens, I know the vast majority of the non english speaking world will feel exactly the same way as I do there!

Who gives a stuff about a degenerate negative and megalomaniacal population of 250 million (U.S.) against a population of around 4 billion people?? Not me!!


Good riddings to the U.S.A. if it happens is what I say, for the world would surely be a much better place without the U.S.A., and I know I am not alone there too.

Kingman: "I just keep thoughts such as those to myself and not spread such a negative energy."

Looking at it from the bigger picture, I see it as a positive (good) thing to happen in the world, but ONLY IF WW3 happens, and therefore from that perspective I do not believe it is a negative thought energy as you believe it is there, but a positive one, but only IF WW3 happens that is.
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Hunter
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 06:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vestri,
You have a lot of hostility toward the U.S. I can understand your perspective, but, please, understand that your hostility should be reserved for the U.S. government and not everyone in America. It's true that many people here are blind and keep supporting short-sighted and power-seeking politicians. But there are many who are opposed to U.S. foreign policy and are working for change. There are many here who are sacrificing a lot of time and money to try and change the attitudes of their fellow citizens.
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Hunter
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* I wonder how these hidden E.T.'s, if the prophecy becomes reality, they would assist the joined forces,

Shawn, I don't believe they'll official "join" or "ally" with other governments. I think they'll just start attacking U.S. aircraft, battleships, and military centers.
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Jo_jo
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So Vestri, your logic is that the world must be destroyed in order to save it. Because that's what will happen in a WWIII scenario. If the US "goes down", it will take everyone with it.

How is that a positive (good) thing to happen?
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Markc
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vestri ;

Where are you from , and Where do you live ?
Mark Campbell
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Kingman
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Vestri,
Your quote...
" Kingman, I'm talking about things from the bigger picture and not from the small picture that looking at it from. Whats the best thing to happen for the rest of the world and not whats the best thing to happen just for the minority negative megalomainiacal American people as your looking at it just from? "

OK,

The best thing for the rest of the world would be for a overwhelming unified coalition of countries to come together and exert enough force, be it economical, political, social or if necessary, militarily, to dethrone the political stranglehold a few groups have on our country. The idea that the destruction of a country is a good thing is a perverted, low intelligence, and primitive (spiritually) way of thinking.

Vestri said...
" Do the American people give a stuff about their military army buchering the lives of 40,000+ innocent Iraqi civilians? No they don't or else they wouldn't be so many of them backing Bush."

OK,

The killings of the Iraqi's is a horrible tragedy that should never of happened. Americans are mourning these people more than you know. Remember that other governments are along side the US in this wrongful war.
And Bushes poll ratings are the lowest of any president ever. He has no support. The current ones in power control all the safety checks our Constitution normally has in place. These checks are to protect it's citizens from a take-over by a one party rule (Republican party). If something that is considered illegal happens, the part of gov. that polices that area always decides that there was no law broken. Even our Supreme Court, which has 9 judges on it's bench, 5 of the judges are sided with the president...a majority decision every time. Both houses of congress are controlled by Republicans. Multi-national corporations are also highly involved with creating the problems the US people and the rest of the world are experiencing.
And the last two presidential elections have been truly stolen. Our people need help. A strong show of support from the rest of the world to help remove these wicked power-hungry groups would greatly help in changing the direction our world is heading.

Vestri said...

" What BAD the U.S. has done for the world:
1. the U.S. will be responsible for the lives of around 4 billion people if WWW3 happens.
2. the U.S. is the country most responsible for intentionally succeeding in keeping the world in the dark on such important issue's like ET's, free energy, religion, ect, and as such is the most responsible country for HOLDING BACK the world.
3. the U.S. is the country thats most responsible for keeping world famine where it is today and as a result millions of people are dying each year.

OK,

#1 hasn't happened so how can you use this against the US?

#2 The US doesn't have an exclusive on ANY of those exertions you post. Free will is enjoyed in the rest of the world. And if you remember, America was created because of religious challenges.

#3 And how do you fail to include the rest of the world for the responsibility of this suffering. How much have YOU helped, you personally, to solve the worlds starving people. The US may be a bully right now, but the US has been a very giving donor to various reasons in just the near recent times. The reasons for starvation in each area are unique to themselves. The real solutions will come about when all countries realize that together, in a true unified form, we ALL are responsible for what happens on our planet. Compassion is an emotion humanity has been gifted with, but often gets pushed aside when another emotion is present, and that's greed. Greed persists in all countries.

Vestri posted this...

" EXAMPLE 3

If it wasn't a good thing to happen as well as also the right thing to happen too, then why are extraterrestrial forces going or are thinking of going to help the rest of the world by intervening against the U.S. for if it wasn't a good thing to happen? And why are the Plejarens allowing these other ET's to do it too if it wasn't a good thing to happen too?

"The entire planet will become an arena of unparalleled suffering, which will never have existed before on Earth up to that time. The cruel happenings will last about 888 days and cause civilisation to collapse.......And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality."

OK,

The Plajaren don't control other ET's from intervening as a general rule. They have helped stopped Earth from being taken over by forces that would wipe the planet clean of the resident humans and use it for their world seeking needs. Other ET intelligences could land right now and start relations with our planet if they so desired. The Plajaren only advise the other ET's of what they are getting into.

Your cut and paste quote speaks of the "irresponsibly acting Western countries,". This means the potential that countries such as England, France, heck even Canada could be one of them. It's not exclusive to just the US.

Vestri said...

" If the ET's intention is to help the world's countries who are being terrorised by the U.S. (and england), then the ET's goal is to see the U.S. suffer to some degree or go down, is it not?

OK,

I don't believe you can know what the ET's think, or what they're going to do.

Vestri said...

" Who gives a stuff about a degenerate negative and megalomaniacal population of 250 million (U.S.) against a population of around 4 billion people?? Not me!! "

OK,

You know not what you speak of. Have you actually talked to each and everyone? Each of us, where ever we may be, are individuals. My friends and family who live in the US are definitely not megalomaniacal, so your numbers of how many are these types must be wrong.

and your final statement...

" Looking at it from the bigger picture, I see it as a positive (good) thing to happen in the world, but ONLY IF WW3 happens, and therefore from that perspective I do not believe it is a negative thought energy as you believe it is there, but a positive one, but only IF WW3 happens that is."

What if one of your close family members lived in the US. Is it still a good thing.
Your mind is surely not as clear as it could be.

Does the CURRENT government in the US give you reasons to prefer them powerless, or in your case, prefer the whole country dead. Well I'd say not dead, but I sure wish they would go away as far as a political group in control goes.

Spiritually ask yourself, by visualizing, all these people you wish wiped out. Is that what you really want to happen. Men, women, children, new born babies, grandparents, just average people, slaughtered as a good thing?
I'm sorry but that is a demented desire, and you have very strong thoughts on this.

To believe the wrongful death of any person is a "GOOD" thing is a warning sign to yourself. Your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.

There are helpful translations in FIGU that can help you clear the negative impulses you emanate for the destruction of other another human beings.

Your not alone for wanting change in this world. One of our biggest challenges is the paradigm of others, people appearing separate from ourselves. We all came from the one Creation, so any duality you experience is for the experience itself. This is how we discover new things and begin to grow in our journey back to being one with Creation. We get lost as we forget the most basic truth that will always be for eternity, I am another you. We are all the same, yet unique as a person. I hope you decide to re-evaluate your position towards other human beings.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Kingman
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Hunter,
They probably won't attack, just disable the equipments abilities.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Scott
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Vestri,

Do you think your words directed at the US or any country are in line with the spiritual values stated in the book Decalouge? Do you believe all US citizens are evil, degenerate and not worthy of life?

You may consider the following:

From the Book Decalouge (Unapproved Translation)

Thou shalt not kill in depravity:

55. This explains to you also, that you should never ever obey an order to kill when it, itself, does not serve self defense, love, preservation of life and the fulfillment of the Directives and Laws.

56. So consequently, if you raise armies and obey military orders to kill you make yourself guilty of breach of this directive.

57. Guard yourself, therefore, against orders of this kind in recognition and fulfillment of the Directives.

58. Correct the values of your armies accordingly; that they represent, in this respect, the earth human form in the whole;

59. Build a unit in the attitude of defense, so that hence only the value of the directives will be followed in regard to protection, self defense and preservation of life.

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66. Perceive, human of Earth, when you have matured so far that you have also grasped this Directive in its true meaning; and you also strive in every direction to carry it out, then the beginning of the time of peace is dawning for you, which you have waited for, on and on for thousands of years, from family to family and from generation to generation.

Don't you think these are the real seeds of peace which need planting at this time, which in the future will bring a new era??

Regards
Scott
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Vestri
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Jo_jo: "So Vestri, your logic is that the world must be destroyed in order to save it. Because that's what will happen in a WWIII scenario. If the US "goes down", it will take everyone with it. How is that a positive (good) thing to happen?"

I said "the only good thing to come out of WW3 if it happens, is the U.S. GOING DOWN!"

When I say good riddings to the U.S.A. I was mainly referring to me being glad to see the evil U.S. government and military going down and not to the U.S. people.



Markc: "Vestri, Where are you from , and Where do you live?"

Does it really matter where I come from Mark, if nearly the whole industrilised world is going to go down?




Kingman and everyone else, ok, point well taken. I better understand the situation now.

I'm just worried sick with fear about the gloom of WW3 just around the corner, and I see now that I was just over reacting in an illogical and negative way regarding the WW3 situation. I take back everything i said back there that was relating to my negative feelings and desires towards the U.S.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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