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Kingman
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Post Number: 133
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 08:22 pm: | 
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cpl,
It's possible it could be another 'Lost in Translation" moment. Or may be that the answer given, correct as it is, allows for enough room to create an unintentional discrepancy.
Are you referencing the study that tests people for truthfulness, as their body gives away the secret, as the same case about individuals using a 'gut' instinct to sense some type of unknowable information about people/events by the person having the feeling.
Maybe you could post a hypothetical example to help clarify some more.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Cpl
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 05:40 am: |
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Hi Michael,
I agree with all you say there. The way the Ps referred to “gut feeling” seemed to indicate that such did not, could not, exist. Maybe that’s just the way I read it. It certainly could be said this is not a good way of referring to what is happening, which again I would agree with. After all, it is a gut-brain connection the experiments refer to not the gut alone.
Thanks,
Hi Kingman,
“Are you referencing the study that tests people for truthfulness, as their body gives away the secret, as the same case about individuals using a 'gut' instinct to sense some type of unknowable information about people/events by the person having the feeling.”
Well, they’re certainly not the same. One suggests, while the other may prove, gut feelings do exist, is what I was saying. The tests do strongly suggest, if not prove, that gut feelings of some kind can or do exist. As I said above, I had read the Ps as indicating this is not so, that gut feelings just do not exist; but as Michael points out, maybe they did not mean they do not exist, but rather perhaps gut feeling is not a good way of deciding what is fact and true, or for referring to what’s actually happening intuitively. It was said, in effect however, that the gut was to do with food and the stomach and had nothing to do with the reasoning brain, and implying the concept of "gut feeling" as ridiculous, perhaps implying the gut had nothing to do with the brain. It might also have been a comment on the imperfection of our language, and, from their point of view, illogical from the standpoint of physical science. We have just found, however, there is indeed a brain-gut connection. It all comes down to interpretation and meaning again.
The Ps no doubt think that one should be looking for logical and rational answers that provide definitive proof or explanation, although it is precisely when definitive answers are not possible that gut feeling can tend to click in out of necessity. If definitive answers can be found or researched then these are obviously to be preferred over gut feelings, which are actually unsubstantiated. Perhaps, in the case under discussion with one of the Ps, it was just such a case. (Afraid I can’t recall the actual discussion off hand.)
It all depends on the nuance of the Ps meaning, which perhaps could be taken either way, at least in the English translation? So it could all boil down to being a non-issue.
"It's possible it could be another 'Lost in Translation" moment. Or may be that the answer given, correct as it is, allows for enough room to create an unintentional discrepancy."
Yes, that's possible. It depends on what the Ps meant. Whether the Ps meant that the concept of “gut feeling” was ridiculous because it doesn’t exist. If they did mean it doesn’t exist – while we know it does -- then maybe they were unfamiliar with the term and supposed a more “at face” meaning, they themselves perhaps having very different terminology for what we are beginning to call a gut-brain connection.
Sentences can often be interpreted into a number of different meanings. It's how so many misunderstandings arise, as long as there is human incarnation and words, which are merely an attempt to communicate, are all we have. There's no guarantee they will succeed. Witness the plethora of different religions all claiming to interpret the same texts correctly. These do show we need to thrash these things out though, to come to the very best and clearest possible understanding.
Still not definitively clear on what the Ps meant -- intent is one of the hardest things to read between the lines when all one has is lines of print -- but aware it might be a non-issue.
Thanks to all for your input.
cpl |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 313
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 07:43 pm: |
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dear forum
I wonder if anyone has ever felt this
Being in a small temperate region where the weather is hot and humid, the people living in these towns exude lathargy and lack of motivation thus reflected in the high percentile of unemployment rate compared with the population figures.
The cycle of perpetuating unemployment state could also be attributed to the regions economic condition as well as opportunities available but seeing as there are more reasons than what I can briefly write here, I want to focus on the whether the collective consciousness of these towns more or less effects the general view of the individual as well as their level of motivation to succeed economic wise.
I assume that the value a person put towards financial success depends not only on their psychological makeup, upbringing, the general mood of the environment, economic conditions, ones education, ambition but also the social conditions that emphasises these values.
What I have noticed is that once many of these factors exist no more, the motivation also subsides therefore there is lack of impetus and reasons to want to succeed. This then sets in motion the cycle of complacency and lack of drive to attain them.
Now add many individuals who has fallen prey to such a state and you have collective body of representation espousing or rather being-in this mood which will shape and create the conditions that make up the place therefore if such conditions are dominant within the region then it'll effect that many more people.
Of course money isn't everything in the old cliche term but if you have nothing then it becomes everything.
Maybe this sociological perspective with a tinge of occult reasoning for an occult answer may not adequately satisfy what is arguably a complex issue but it seems by uncovering more layers hidden from view, yet apparently existing behind the scene, the workings of it's mechanism could be understood somewhat.
cheers
Matt |
Edward
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Post Number: 703
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 01:55 am: |
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Hi Matt and Rarena....
Rarena, very good advice!
"Acupressure" is always a positive option. There are many books or booklets
about Acupressure in the book stores. And Acupressure does work! Have studied some books and booklets in the past...concerning it. Even, Acupressure...at the 'foot' sole, works fine.
If I had very bad headaches, in the past...I would apply the same mentioned.
And there are other 'points' on the hand, as well...to suppress Headaches or
Migraines.
Acupressure, just like Acupuncture....works in most cases. Nothing better than
ancient old (Chinese; in this case) remedies to heal our human body!
Edward. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 342
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 08:26 pm: |
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G'day Edward and Randy
Ed, it seems what is tried and passed down over the intervening generations has merit in all it's wisdom and application. I fully agree with you that acupuncture works.
btw, which post of randy's are you referring to?
thanks
Cheers
Matt |
Edward
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Post Number: 704
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - 03:38 am: |
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Hi Matt...
I was referring to Randy's posting concerning 'Acupressure', to you.
I thought to post the subject here, because it concerned the (human )Body;
and was going way off; where it was discussed.
Do not want to upset...Scotty..
(Excellent Moderator he is! Always got his hands full!)
We should all try and keep ourselves...on the right/correct strings. But, of
course we can get carried away, unconsciously. Very human, not?
Edward. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 354
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2006 - 03:27 am: |
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Dear Edward
Understood
Thanks
Cheers
Matt |
Artie3000
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 05:28 am: |
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"The Power of prayer, positive thinking, spirit and human body"
During Ski jumping competition in Zakopane (Poland) on jan 21st 2007 ski-jumper Jan Mazoch (Czech Republic) had very serious accident. He fell down from the height of more then 10 meters with the speed about 100km/h, then he went to mental block immediately. It looked really bad. After the accident doctors said that his condition ic critical. He was in artificial coma for about five days. Many people in Poland, Czech Republic and all over the world prayed and wished him that he will be fine quickly. Now his condition is good and he said that he will be jumping again.
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Edward
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Post Number: 728
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 04:32 am: |
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Hi Artie....
Yes, I witnessed the accident on the television. Frightening incident, it was.
Well, of course, the Power Of The Spirit(-Consciousness)...can be a Very
Powerful Mechanism, and can even 'Heal', through our human 'thought'
processing, as Billy had made very clear.
Through the mentioned processing....One can even 'Modify' his/her human
body's...structural destiny, so to speak! In a Positive or Negative manner: it
be Life or Death; Light or Darkness; Happiness or Sadness....etc.
And naturally, a 'Collective Thought' processing....can generated even much
more Positive Healing Power...than just one individual, on his/her own.
And so, it seems that the 'Collective Thought' processing through the Medium of
Collective Prayer, may have indeed, have Positive effect/influence on Jan
Mazoch's recuperation.
I am also glad to hear through you, he is doing fine.
Edward. |
Rarena
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Post Number: 176
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:08 am: |
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Hi Robjna,
Wow, very interesting! We are in a time where science is changing more rapidly, Neo-Darwinism… that is… evolution as being caused by natural selection... is being sloughed off to make way for a concept of a more intelligently planned design is upon us!
One way to use a microwave oven therapeutically: My father-in-law has arthritis in his hands and by sprinkling some water on a new pair of washed socks (just for this purpose) and heating them up in the microwave oven and then placed over his hands allows his hands to feel better by increasing blood flow.
Also cold pressed castor oil for his psoriasis which has just about left his hands completely in a relatively short period of time. His doctor asked what we did to make the psoriasis leave so quickly...
One quarter inch thick flannel, a heat pad and soaked with cold pressed castor oil placed over his liver, for twenty minutes twice a week and under his rubber gloves for his rest period (about 1¼ hrs in the afternoon)was the only therapy. Took about two months. Products mentioned available from Barr.com.
My hobby is finding therapeutic methods people have found that solve health issues without products created by "the Benjamin grabbers", and leans more toward the area of "natural" healing. Using plant material rather than processed drugs and artificial enzymes.
For example, taking homeopathic pills derived from plant material for sinus headaches is very scientific yet effective and does not kill the stomach flora as most Non Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drugs (NaSIDs) such as aspirin, used for pain incurs as a side effect. The main ingredient is Belladonna... which along with wolf bane Nostradamus referred to as "Flying powder".
As to the reality of Nostradamus or Michael D'Notre Dame being able to comunicate with the future from 1535 Sienna France...I don't know. Intriguing story non-the-less.
If depression is described as sugar leaving the brain. And stimulation is sugar augmenting the brain... then it is understandable that people living in lessening light and heat conditions... (as is the case in countries south of the equator at this time) such as winter approaching imperceptibly yet regularly... causes the natural mammalian tendency to hibernate... which could also be called depression if the body senses a lack of sleep and sugar is transferred to the body rather than the brain which it should if naturally allowed to... go to sleep.
One thing the Meier material has made crystal clear to me... is that life... does not stop at the cellular nor atomic level... and may indeed be infinitely distributed throughout the galaxy.
Randy |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 497
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 03:54 pm: |
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Dear friends,
Thanks for digging that old email of mine out and posting it for me Robjna over on the Translations thread http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3549.html
That shorthand presentation is a bit of a can of worms here, of course, because I just rummaged that stuff out of my somewhat chaotic brain, and it would take quite a while to now provided exact references to all that, not to mention the corresponding translations, required context and background information, etc. etc.
The “can of worms law” states that whenever a can of worms is opened, it requires a bigger can to put them all back again. This posting represents the bigger can.
I think it’s very important to remember that the Plejaren are very different people, leading very different lives on Erra, compared to us Earthlings, and the way they live and act in respect of their hygiene, etc. should not be seen as rules which also equally apply to us across the board. We don’t live on Erra. We are not Plejaren.
Just a note on my remark: “Positive affirmations (Couéism, etc.) are dangerously counterproductive.” This pertains to Emile Coué* and copycats, and is not the same as FIGU’s “12 Positive Affirmations” which our friend Scott posted here recently.
According to the Plejaren, if you use this Coué method to try to heal an illness, your subconscious (which is strictly honest) will perceive your conscious untruth and clash with your psyche, which has the effect of exacerbating the disease, etc. I don’t know why a positive affirmation is all that different if your life is a mess and you try to tell yourself that everything is peachy. But they do call Creation “the unsolvable secret” after all.
Anyway, Matt, unless they actually become soiled from gardening or some other dirty work, etc. the Plejaren evidently shower about once a week. They don’t bathe in tubs. They don’t use soap. Sweat is reportedly very important as a natural antibiotic. Unlike us, they have nifty high tech electronic devices even for cleaning their backsides, not just traveling among the galaxies.
(Incidentally, like some terrestrial races, they do not ever grow pubic hair, and they tell us that the “shame” associated with it on Earth actually stems from the fact that is was (get this!) a deliberately and malevolently genetically engineered holdover from our hairy ape ancestry, which is meant to be a shameful reminder of that unsavory side of our family tree. No joke. OM goes on and on and on about the wonderfulness and attractiveness of that area of woman’s bodies when it is shaved off smoothly, and makes derisive comments about those who do not attend to this task diligently. [I suppose some idiot had to bring up the subject eventually, so why not me?] Just remember that OM goes WAAAAY back to the first Henok hundreds of thousands of years ago, and a lot of that really very very ancient stuff sounds VERY weird and more pertinent to people from a very very dim past. I hardly think that any of us here have to concern ourselves with fleas, either, which is one of the reasons Billy provides in one of his texts for shaving down there, but there you have it. We just convey the information, and we certainly don’t have to understand or agree with it. There is SO MUCH we Earthlings don’t really know or understand about why things are the way they are in the physical realm as it applies to the mysterious spiritual realm, and the functions of our body bits are obviously no different! By the way, in case you are wondering, I don’t shave anything.)
And regarding your other personal matter, Matt: OM tells us, "with much wisdom comes much grief". (Just look at Billy’s life!) But the truly wise can learn from this grief, and thereby achieve great joy. Billy also tells us that excessive sadness should not be encouraged and honored. Be strong. Be honest. Every cloud has a silver lining, and the darkest hour is just before dawn. OM says, “The dawn breaks even without the rooster’s crow.”
Simon, when I was an electronics technician I used a little tub of solvent attached to a piezoelectric ultrasonic oscillator at about 35 or 40Khz in order to clean newly soldered printed circuit boards. (They are now commercially available for cleaning jewelry, etc.) The frequency was not critical. It worked well on fingernails too, but be careful with these things. I wouldn’t have stuck my head in it, and the Plejaren probably have something more technically sophisticated than the thing I used in the 1970s.
Melli, I was just trying to make the comment that Earth physicians use the appearance of things like hair and nails as a quick indicator of general health, etc. becasue disorders like malnutrition, etc., show up there. As previously mentioned, psychosomatic illnesses are well described in the open literature. If you are wondering about hairstyles, that’s a matter of taste and current fashion trends of course, but it pays to remember who the fashion gurus are on Earth, and they always do their best to make people look horrible. Cropped, colored, scruffy, dirty/greasy-looking, disheveled, and generally repulsive is described as “deliciously bed-rumpled”. And having once lived with a professional hairdresser, I can reveal to you that they are encouraged by their venal employers to get their victims to buy lots of expensive “product”, and have short styles which require a lot of high-maintenance cutting, etc. Like surgeons, cutting is what they like to do. What hair is “supposed to look like” is healthy, clean and glossy, in the same color that Creation gave you, and - if you revere nature – in a natural, well maintained/groomed style. Billy says that we should not dress in rags, even when nobody sees you, because it has subtle unconscious effects on one’s sense of self worth. It seems logical that the same applies to our hair. I had a beard before Billy did. After shaving my head for fun on my 50th birthday, I’ve let it grow, and discovered that Creation has provided a clever sunshade/insulation in the summer which works as an evaporative coolant when wet in the heat, and a warm hat/scarf in the cold winter. It also serves nicely to make me look like a classic “UFO nut” which lulls my many none-too-bright enemies into a false sense of security about the degree of real danger I poise to them. OM says that a man with (very) long hair doesn’t have a lot of sense. I’ll buy that. :-)
Please forgive this long-winded digression. But I’m going to try to make myself a bit more scarce on this discussion board for a while during a period when my attention will be directed elsewhere, related to this throw-away line from Michael Horn to TerraX last month: “I've got 6 hours of Meier answering questions on film, 14 hours of interviews of 25 other people, witnesses, family, other photographers.” (www.gaiaguys.net/ kkk.tx.to.MH.23.1.07.htm)
Cheers!
Dyson
* Emile Coué born Feb. 26, 1857, Troyes, Fr. died July 2, 1926, Nancy
French pharmacist who in 1920 at his clinic at Nancy introduced a method of psychotherapy characterized by frequent repetition of the formula, “Every day, and in every way, I am becoming better and better.” This method of autosuggestion came to be called Couéism.
An apothecary at Troyes from 1882 to 1910, Coué in 1901 began to study under Ambroise-Auguste Liébeault and Hippolyte Bernheim, leading exponents of hypnosis. Although stressing that he was not primarily a healer but one who taught others to heal themselves, Coué claimed to have effected organic changes through autosuggestion.
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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 275
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:09 pm: |
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what makes billy affirmations any different from the coue stuff?
i've said the affirmations a fair amount of times these past weeks but along doing so i find myself questioning the whole thing. can somebody explain to me how 1 year of affirmations equals 10 years of evoluiton? |
Thomas
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:23 pm: |
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Hello Dyson, I have to add something to what you said about affirmations, the Coué Method, etc. According to the books on the psyche and the intro to the meditation from Billy, the Coué Method, etc. is NOT harmful to everyone. In fact what, he says is that in people who have psychological problems, or similar, the Coué Method is going to have the opposite effect.
This means that if you are not psychologically balanced, or if you are not sure if you are, then it is best not to use that method. However certain types of affirmation that have the quality of "here and now" will be safe for everyone.
For example, the Coué Method says "I am getting better and better" which tells an unbalanced person's subconsciousness that he must already be sick, even if he is not, thus trying to reverse the present situation.
However if one tells themself that they are in good shape "here and now" then the subconsciousness causes positive effects to occur.
This is my understanding of the writings and if you read the books a little more closely, I think that you will see what I mean.
No offense intended but we have to be careful just throwing out information. That applies to me too and I will say that I am not a master of German so take this post with a grain of salt and thanks for listening! |
Markc
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Post Number: 449
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 12:42 am: |
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Well said Thomas , thanks for explaining that otherwise overlooked aspect .
Mark
Mark Campbell
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 499
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 02:44 am: |
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Lieber Thomas!
Thank you for the salt! And the clarification. I'm always pleased to be helped with this info and very glad that we are starting to have more and more German-readers here on the English list! :-)
But I also am no German-master, but I learn every day more, my translations to improve. My English, but, it is starting to ruined be think I. :-/
Cheers! ;-)
Dyson |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 420
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 04:35 am: |
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Dear Dyson
Yeah those are a very wise words indeed Dyson.
I guess it's the human tendency to magnify one's problems because it's one's own.
I gather that just a brief glance around would be enough for a person to realise that one's personal problems pales in comparison to more unfortunate people who have suffered far worse than one can imagine.
Anyway, sometimes it necessitates bringing certain experiences to the fore to garner other peoples wisdom which may be lacking in oneself as a way to learn about one's own experience from the different context it provides which opens one's field of vision wider than it use to.
Cheers Dyson
Matt |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 500
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 12:18 pm: |
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Dear Matt,
(Thanks, mate.) BEAM tells us that a lingering problem must often be brought to an acute stage in order for it to be recognised and adequately dealt with.
We can see this happening with global warming now, and US & sectarian violence.
Best,
Dyson |
Robert_p
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 01:46 pm: |
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Could someone direct me to any Figu bulletins, or contact notes that discuss the Plejaren lifestyle and lifespan. How is their lifespan 1000 years whereas our life on earth is 100 years or less. It is only common sense to know why, with the pollution in our air, water and food as well as the insane medical treatments that are offered to us, that either burn us from the inside out, poison our bodies, or butcher us by removing part of our bodies. I suspect that the very negative mental energy that is constantly bombarding our psyche has a huge effect. I suspect that a good 90% of our spiritual energy is needed to protect us on this planet, I find that I am just worn out by some of the people I encounter in my life.
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Markc
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Post Number: 475
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:31 pm: |
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Hi Robert ;
our ancestors were genetically manipulated by slavers who used them for fighting wars , when they were native to a different area in the starfield . The genes which were turned off ,I believe ,are the cause of our current state of ill will and unfriendliness , not to menschen the use of sign language in road rage situations .
It's true that the way a person thinks will radiate to those within striking distance of those dissonant daggers ;intentional or not .
Recently quotes highlighting Billy's advice to never feel speak or act negatively around other people were posted in one of these topic areas .
The influence on others is unfair and mostly undetected , leaving victims unprotected from the dastardly waviness .
Mark Campbell
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Thomas
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Post Number: 201
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 12:00 am: |
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See contact 251 on the FIGU website 5you can use the search function to help). It explains that there was a genetic alteration made on Earth people in the distant past that reduced our lifespan. Previously we did live much longer like the Plejaren do... |
Leann
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 03:53 am: |
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Good Morning All,
Regarding Dyson's post 497 above, it states that our "shame" was a reminder of our unsavory side of our family tree. If I am wrong about the P's being from "OUR" future, then why would they have the shame to begin with to have to be genetically removed? If our OM has something like 77,000 canons, I think, and theirs has 77,000,000 doesn't it appear that they have been expanded since our time? Sorry guys, must be the blonde showing, cause my dots aren't connecting any other way. Has the question ever been asked directly to Billy?
Salome,
Leann |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 647
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 01:39 pm: |
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Dear Leann,
You’ve done the dots wrong. :-)
www.gaiaguys.net/meierv5p468.htm is where it says that the Plejaren OM has 77,000,000 canons. Earth’s has 77. (“our OM has something like 77,000 canons” !?! How big do you think this book IS?!)
They have more because they are not human-ape hybrids and are further along the evolutionary ladder than us, but the P’s don’t come from our future, as far as I can tell. Their history hangs together logically for me. The “scham haar” is said to be an atavistic reminder deliberately left by our “creator gods” to remind/shame us of about apes in our family tree.
Interestingly, of course natural blonds (Semjase, for example) are not any dumber than the rest of us, but the P’s say that terrestrial hair-coloring preparations do tend to have subtle stupefying effects not known or understood by our scientists. Maybe that’s where those stories come from.
A man was in his front yard mowing grass when his attractive blonde neighbor came out of the house and went straight to the mailbox. She opened it then slammed it shut and stormed back into the house. A little later she came out of her house again, went to the mailbox and again opened it, and slammed it shut again. Angrily, back into the house she went.
As the man was getting ready to edge the lawn, she came out again, marched to the mailbox, opened it and then slammed it closed harder than ever.
Puzzled by her actions the man asked her, “Is something wrong?”
To which she replied, “There certainly is!”
My stupid computer keeps saying, “You’ve got mail!”
Cheers!
Dyson |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 08:42 pm: |
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Dear Dyson,
In your post 647 above you imply that we terrestrials are "human-ape hybrids" and you write "apes in our family tree". Could you please quote from where in Billy's writings you have gathered your human-ape hybrid supposed truth. From FIGU English website-Spiritual Teachings-An Interview:"Regarding terrestrial man The first humanoid life form split into several species from which developed the humanoid life form as well as other distinct classifications." Also: "Man did not derive from the apes but that the apes derived from Man and are by-products of the ancient, archetypal human evolution." So I don't believe that your use of the term hybrid is valid.
Charles. |
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