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Hector
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In the german bulletin Nr56 somebody asked about ghost and the response was like " the more you believe in ghosts,the more your conciousness tries to build a mental image of them".That includes terror films and books that want you to believe.I`ll try to make my own traduction there I go.

Böse Elemente und Geister sind grundlegend Phantasieprodukte des Menschen und in der Regel religions- und wahnglaubensbedingt. Treten bei einem Menschen «böse» Elemente und Kräfte in Erscheinung, dann werden diese durch seine Gedanken, Gefühle sowie durch seine Psyche und sein Bewusstsein erzeugt und gesteuert.

Ghosts and paranormal events are mainly a product of personal phantasies and are as a rule conditioned to manias and religion.Should this paranormal events and forces occur,then are they created and driven by own thoughts and feelings, as well as the psyche and the conciousness.

Note.My native language is spanish.Don`t be too cruel with my posts/traductions. :DD

Salome...
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Der_beobachter
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Crystal Skulls, Philadelphia Experiment with Eldrigde ship ARE fake and a Hoaxes.

"The questionable origin of the Mitchell-Hedges skull has not deterred belief in the skull's mysterious properties. Rather, at least 13 other skulls have mysteriously appeared over the years. Some of these skulls are claimed to have magical origins and healing powers. However, a study of several crystal skulls by the British Museum in 1996 indicates that the only magic involved in the creation of these skulls was in keeping their fraudulent origin a secret."
Source: http://skepdic.com/crystalskull.html


Hello Figu Friends,

A word about FIGU BULLETIN NUMBER 56 online/download in german language.


This is to let you know that in the last number of FIGU BULLETIN number 56 (June, 2006) it is explained by Billy to a question from a reader regarding the Philadelphia Experiment and also about the crystal skulls. Ptaah give explanation about this to Billy in September 2005.

The Philadelphia Experiment is also a LIE, a HOAX and a fiction created by author Charles Berlitz based on the lies of a person named Kal Allen (aka Carl Allen or Carlos Allende as it written in the books.)

Ptaah explains all this in Contact number 400 of September 25th, 2005.

Ptaah explains that a very rich hobbist archaelogist named Florian Rosenfelder from Germany took the so called crystal skulls to South America and spread or had hidden them among the Mayan ruins. The skulls were FABRICATED in the 18th century in a place that today is named Idar-Oberstein in Germany.


Read here some info about the GEMSTONE capital Idar-Oberstein in Germany I´ve taken from Wikipedia here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idar-Oberstein

Idar-Oberstein (known in some circles as "The Gemstone Capital") is a city in the Rhineland-Palatinate in Germany. It lies on the Nahe River, in the district of Birkenfeld. It is the largest city in the Hunsrück region of southwest Germany, and has a population of around 34,400."

The towns of Idar and Oberstein belonged to the barons of Daun-Oberstein (who later became the counts of Falkenstein) until 1670. In 1865, both Idar and Oberstein were chartered as cities, and finally in 1933, they united (along with the smaller towns of Algenrodt and Tiefenstein) to form the modern town of Idar-Oberstein.

Idar-Oberstein is currently best known as a gemstone center: until recently, the area was a source for agate and jasper (both semi-precious stones), and the gem and jewelry trade continues to flourish in Idar-Oberstein today"


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Gaiaguysnet
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Hi Norm,

OK. I'm with you now.

Perhaps what our friend Claes relates will provide some specifics for you, and I'm sure I read something about this SOMEWHERE among the thousands of un-indexed pages of Billy's writings.

I know I read that a sort of vague remnant of an individual's consciousness-block can (sort of) inhabit his remains (bones, etc., even clothing/jewelry, etc.) for a long time, and I could imagine that that might even somehow produce something visible. (I’m guessing wildly here, Norm.) But the reason that I wrote what I did about all the different possible causes for what you describe is because I’ve also read from the FIGU material that there are all sorts of “inter-dimensional” (and so on and so forth) phenomena that could be mistaken for what people currently understand to be ghosts. Some are evidently entities of some kind from who-knows-where, doing who-knows-what. (!)

Someday I want to translate the bit about the SKRILL, who were (until very recently) very sexually degenerate inter-dimensional ETs who woulkd simply “appear” in your bedroom at night (for instance) and rape the bejeezus out of you, and then vanish the same way they arrived! Yikes! They apparently particularly liked to prey on “insane” people.

I think if you weren’t insane when they arrived, you would be by the time they left.

Fortunately, after much effort, the Plejaren Federation eventually figured out where they were coming from, and put an end to THAT. (Thanks, guys!)

Food for thought?

Cheers!
Dyson
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Norm
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And the purpose of the Skulls was?
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Norm
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Dyson I'm sure somethings going on with the Ghost's Etc. I'm sure there are more things out there they we can imagine. I would imagine that the Skrill were sometimes called the Incubus or Succubus.
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Der_beobachter
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi there Norm,

Maybe this will answer to your question regarding the Crystal BS Skulls.
The guy just wanted FAME AND GLORY my friend Norm, but his plan did not work properly as he had dreamt of.

Read on, I just finished this NON OFFICIAL TRANSLATION.


FIGU-BULLETIN Nr. 56
12. Jahrgang, Juni 2006

Non official translation taken from FIGU BULLETIN number 56, June, 2006

As it appears on pages 13 AND 14

Short excerpt from Official 400th Contact Report of 25th September 2005

Dialogue between Billy Meier and Jshwsh Ptaah.

TRANSLATED into english by Der Beobachter Edelweiss - Brazil - Sunday, 14th. May, 2006

Leserfrage

Letzthin wurden mir verschiedene Dinge erzählt, einerseits etwas über ein Philadelphia-Experiment und über Entführungen durch Ausserirdische und Kontakte mit diesen. Auch wurde erklärt, dass dahinter viel Lüge und Betrug stecke. Andererseits wurden mir auch Photos gezeigt, auf denen Kristallschädel zu sehen waren, die von Ausserirdischen stammen sollen. Leider habe ich mich nie um solche Dinge gekümmert und habe deshalb keinerlei Erfahrungen damit, folglich ich nicht entscheiden kann, was ich von allem halten soll. Freundlicherweise habe ich von meinem Bekannten, der mir alles erzählte, Ihre Website-Anschrift erhalten und konnte mich darin umsehen, wobei ich sehr viel Erstaunliches erfahren habe, das mir bisher unbekannt war. Da ich nun denke, dass Sie, Billy Meier, mir sicher sagen können, was es mit all dem auf sich hat, was ich gefragt habe, so wende ich mich an Sie mit der Bitte, in einem Ihrer Bulletins, die ich auch im Internet gefunden habe, mir Auskunft hinsichtlich meiner Fragen geben zu können, wofür ich mich schon jetzt bedanke.

U. Ermann, Deutschland



Question from the Reader

And finally, different things were told to me, on one hand something about the Philadelphia Experiment and about abductions by extraterrestrials and contacts with them. Also, as it was explained much lie and deceit are behind it. On the other hand, also photos have been shown to me, on which crystal skulls, which should have come from extraterrestrials could be seen. Unfortunately I have never cared about such things and therefore have no experience with it consequently I cannot decide what should I think of all this. Kindly, a friend of mine, told me about your web site address, which he had, so that I could search in there, whereas I´ve found it quite astonishing that it was unknown to me until now. Since I think now, that you, Billy Meier, can certainly tell me, what is this which I have asked all about, so I turn to you with the request, to be able to give me information regarding my questions in one of your bulletins, that I have also found in the internet, for which I already thank you now.

U. Ermann, Germany


Antwort

Aus Vergesslichkeit kann ich Ihnen leider erst im Juni-Bulletin 2006 eine Antwort auf Ihre Fragen erteilen, was Sie bitte entschuldigen wollen, denn sicher haben Sie schon früher darauf gewartet. Leider habe ich immer viel um die Ohren, weshalb es manchmal geschehen kann, dass bei mir etwas untergeht und erst verspätet wieder auftaucht.

Nun, als Antwort will ich Ihnen mit einem Kontaktbericht-Auszug des 400sten offiziellen Kontaktberichtes vom 25. September 2005 das Notwendige erklären, was Ihre Fragen befriedigen dürfte:



Answer

Unfortunately, out of forgetfulness, I can give you an answer to your questions only in the June’s Bulletin in 2006, which you will please excuse, because certainly you have already been waiting for it earlier. Unfortunately I always have much about the ears which is why it sometimes can happen, that something is missing by me and only appears again lately.

Now, as an answer, I will explain to you with the necessary excerpts from the official 400th Contact Report of 25th September 2005, which should satisfactorily explain your questions:



Billy: Das habe ich auch festgestellt, als du weg warst und ich die Fragen durchgesehen habe. Aber sieh hier, da habe ich einige Notizen - immer wieder werde ich nämlich danach gefragt, was es mit den in Südamerika gefundenen Kristallköpfen auf sich hat sowie mit dem angeblichen Philadelphia-Experiment. Natürlich habe ich immer wieder erklärt, dass die Kristallköpfe nichts mit Ausserirdischen zu tun haben und also auch nicht auf solche zurückführen, sondern dass diese Kristallköpfe im 19. Jahrhundert in Deutschland hergestellt wurden. Trotzdem will das ebensowenig als Wahrheit akzeptiert werden wie auch nicht die Tatsache, dass das Philadelphia-Experiment nur einer phantastischen Schwindelei entspricht, weil nämlich ein solches Experiment nie stattgefunden hat. Nun hier - dieser Mann hier, ein Herr Ermann aus Deutschland, möchte, dass ich nochmals bei euch rückfragen und dann die Antwort in einem Bulletin veröffentlichen soll. Kannst du bitte in kurzer Form eine Antwort auf die Fragen geben?

Billy: I have also ascertained it while you were away and I looked through the questions. But look here, there I have some notes - I am always asked again and again namely about what the crystal heads found in South America are all about as well as with the alleged Philadelphia experiment. Of course I have explained many times and again that the crystal heads have nothing to do with extraterrestrials and therefore also are not attributed to such however these crystal heads were manufactured in the 19th Century in Germany. Nevertheless this will not be accepted as truth just like the fact also that the Philadelphia experiment only corresponds to a fantastic hoax because namely such an experiment has never taken place. Now here - this man here, a Mr. Ermann, from Germany, which would like me again to ask to you and then publish the answer in a bulletin. Can you please give an answer to the questions in brief form?

Ptaah: Offiziell haben wir darüber nie gesprochen, sondern nur mehrmals in privater Weise. Also will ich gerne eine Antwort geben, die offizieller Form sein soll, wobei ich mich jedoch auf das Wesentliche beschränken will: Die von dir genannten Kristallköpfe, die im südlichen Amerika gefunden wurden und den Maya zugesprochen werden und angeblich von Ausserirdischen stammen sollen, wurden, wie du eben gesagt hast, im 19. Jahrhundert in Deutschland hergestellt, und zwar in den Edelstein- und Diamant-Schleifwerkstätten jener Orte, die 1933 zur Stadt Idar-Oberstein zusammengeschlossen wurden. Der Auftraggeber war ein wohlhabender Mann namens Florian Rosenfelder aus Deutschland, der sich privaterweise und hobbymässig archäologisch betätigte und der die Kristallköpfe auch in die Mayagebiete brachte, um sie dann dort als Sensation zu ‹entdecken›. Er vermochte jedoch nur noch die Kristallköpfe an verschiedenen Orten zu plazieren, wo er sie dann unter Zeugen zu ‹entdecken› gedachte, was ihm jedoch nicht mehr gelang, weil er an einer Vergiftung starb, die er durch Einheimische erlitt, die ihn dann ausraubten. Und was hinsichtlich des sogenannten Philadelphia-Experiments zu sagen ist, worüber erstlich ein Autor namens Berlitz ein phantasievolles Buch geschrieben hat: Ein solches Experiment hat es weder in den USA noch sonstwo auf der Erde jemals gegeben. Die ganze phantastische Geschichte beruht grundsätzlich auf den betrügerischen Behauptungen eines Mannes namens Kal Allen, in bezug auf ein angebliches Experiment mit einem Schiff, das ‹USS Eldridge› genannt wurde. Der Mann dachte, dass er mit seiner Lügengeschichte sein Image heben und dadurch auch reich werden könne. Als ihm das nicht gelang und die Situation für ihn zu prekär wurde, als Lügner entlarvt zu werden, verschwand er spurlos.

Ptaah: Officially we have never talked about it but several times only in a private manner. Therefore, I would like to will give an answer, which should be in a official form, with which however, I want to restrict myself to the essential,: The crystal skulls named by you, that were found in South America and is connected to the Mayas and supposedly should have originated from extraterrestrials, as you just said, were fabricated in Germany in the 19th Century, in fact in the gem and Diamond-polishing cities of those places, that were unified in 1933 in the city of Idar-Oberstein. The client was a prosperous man by the name of Florian Rosenfelder, from Germany, that operated privately and was hobbyist archaeologist and who brought the crystal heads also to the Maya region, then to “discover” it in order to cause a sensation. Although he was able only to place the crystal heads at different places where he thought it would be “discovered” before witnesses however, he did not succeeded with that because he died of a poisoning, that he suffered through the natives, that then robbed him. And to say something regarding the so-called Philadelphia experiment, about which firstly an author by the name of Berlitz wrote a fantasious book: There was never such an experiment anywhere else neither in the USA or any other place of the Earth ever. The whole fantastic history is based on fraudulent claims of a man by the name of Kal Allen, in principle concerning a supposedly experiment with a ship, who was named ‹USS Eldridge›. The man thought that his image would rise with this lying story and also could become rich through it. As he didn't succeed with this story and the situation became too precarious for him to be exposed as a liar, he vanished without a trace.


Billy: Die Geschichte ist mir bekannt, doch wusste ich nicht, wie das Schiff genannt wurde. Es wird behauptet, dass die US-Marine im Oktober 1943 im Hafen von Philadelphia ein Experiment mit gewaltigen elektromagnetischen Schwingungen usw. gemacht habe, wobei das genannte Schiff dann spurlos verschwunden und 500 Kilometer entfernt im Hafen von Norfolk wieder aufgetaucht sei, um dann auch dort nach kurzer Zeit wieder zu verschwinden und wieder im Hafen von Philadelphia sichtbar zu werden.

Ptaah: Ja, das ist in kurzen Zügen die Lügengeschichte.


Billy: The story is known by me, however I didn't know how the ship was named. It is claimed that the US-Navy did an experiment with huge electromagnetic vibrations in the harbor of Philadelphia in October 1943 etc. with which the named ship then vanished without a trace and reappeared again in the harbor of Norfolk 500 kilometers away in order to vanish also again there after a short time and, to become visible again in the harbor of Philadelphia.

Ptaah: Yes, that is it, in short terms the lying story.


Note by the translator. the dialogues continues further but with different subjects...

Der Beobachter Edelweiß
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"Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel;
denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..."

"Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..."

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Claes
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Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fluidal forces accummulate in our bodies and all objects we have close to us and even in houses where we live for a long time. It is particularly strong in jewellery that is always worn. (example diamond of death etc)
The the fluidal forces (if I understand it correctly) are created by every persons thoughts and feelings.
This then contributes to us feeling comfortable or uncomfortable when entering a room, a church or old building.
That is often why it can feel creepy entiring an ancient prison or church where people have been suffering or thinking negatively for hundereds of years.

The stored energies in walls houses etc can then be unconsciously triggered off by the person who created them which can cause noises, things to move etc.
There are examples in the arriving book about an instance when an old lady dreamed of her happy child hood in a house where she grew up and this dream triggered the fluidal forces in the house and some people living in the house could see a vague image of a small girl running down the stairs and down to a swing under a tree to play.
There are other examples from the Schmidruti house and other houses about mentally ill persons triggering of their fluidal forces in houses where they used to live which created creeking doors, steps, slamming doors, moving objects etc.

I remember Billy said something like that the triggered energies are harmless except in some cases when a mentally ill person through his illness creates psycho kinetic forces that harm him/her self. Then they can harm themself physically whithout knowing it (believing it is some ghost, when it is really themselves who are the cause).
It will be very interesting to read more when the book comes out.
Salome,
Claes
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Norm
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I've been watching a ton of ghost TV shows lately so its peaked my interest. So some ghosts are Fluidal forces which in a sense is what some investigators have said for years about the link between humans & the ghosts being a fragment of a person, plus there are many incidents where teenage girls in puberty were causing weird phenomenon. Then there's the other group of investigator that's religiously influenced & obviously on the wrong track & they think that ghosts are demons or evil spirits. Then there's the psychic who depending on their background believe they are talking to the dead. Or the so-called ghost is stuck on earth & need guidance to the "otherside". So some investigators are on the right track & others are not.
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Edward
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Hi All...


Yes, Claes Hit The Nail On The Head!

I knew the answer but was just awaiting for the in-put. And Claes explains
it all Perfectly to the points!

Well done Claes.


Edward.
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Edward
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Hi All..

Additional information.

Concerning Fluidal Forces known to many as Ghost manifestations...etc.

From "Questions From Our Readers" Billy answers.

Inquiry 2: Fluidal forces: How can I neutralize extraneous negative fluidal
forces which have settled inside my house(e.g., poltergeister) or within
pieces of my furniture?


Reply 2: Extraneous fluidal forces, either in their negative or positive
form, can be counteracted and dissolved by strengthening the conscious and
emotional forces one possesses by gaining control over them to the point
where the unwanted extraneous fluidal forces are counteracted. This feat can
be a lengthy process, or a powerful, but brief, output of strength.


Edward.
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David_chance
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Hi Dyson,
I refer to your posting at: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6100.html#POST20615
"I can't understand the tractor explanation about infrared. It make no sense to me from a scientific viewpoint. Ideas?"

In Contact 79 (Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Block 2, page 483; Stevens, Book 4, page 126) is where the discussion about this appears. The PPK block 2 also has the photo in question: a photo of the tree that Mr. Meier used to test the beam pistol...in the background is Jacobus' tractor.

PPK2, sentence 215:
Bei dem Erscheinen des Traktors auf dem Film handelt es sich um eine euch noch unbekannte Form von Sichtbarmachung jeglicher Materie durch eine euch noch unbekannte Art von Infrarotstrahlung.

Stevens4, sentence 184:
At the appearance of the tractor in the film, it dealt of a still unknown to you form of making visible such matter by infrared radiation.

This is not something I understand either..."still unknown to you".
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Gaiaguysnet
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Thanks David,

With a professional background in electronics, I was (continually!) brought down to Earth - so to speak - by the technical information in the Kontaktberichte which states that there are lots of properties of subatomic particles of which we are blissfully unaware, so I suppose the infrared tractor image fits nicely into that catagory and will remain "in the realm of mystery" to open terrestrial science for a while longer.

Thanks for digging out the quote.

I have another question which may not belong here, but ... does anybody know the history of the galaxy image on the FIGU logo?

Dare I think that it might be from a photograph of our Milky Way??????

I noticed that it has "enclaves", not unlike the descriptions in the material.

Probably just my overactive imagination again! :-)

Cheers!
Dyson
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Spaceman
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Hi all, What do the Plejarens tell us about Lemuria. I have read the contact in which they speak about the battle between Atlantis and Mu(Lemuria). The South Indian Epics (known to them as Kumari Kandam) say that the land sunk due to a deludge (not war) and that only 3 tribes survived, is this consistent with the account of our celestial friends?

Hi Spaceman,

There is a small issue with your account. I attempted to contact you by e-mail, but have recieved no response. Could you please e-mail me from the following link:

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/board-contact.cgi

Thanks

Scott-Moderator
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Memo00
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hi

if i remember correctly MU (which was named that way because of an ET leader) was not a continent that sunk like the legends tell, but was a big city that existed in what today is the Gobi desert (probably this desert was "born" because of the war with Atlantis, many deserts like some in North America are the result of ancient nuclear explosions according to the plejaren)

supposedly today still there are some survivors from this ancient civilization who live deep below the Gobi desert, this underground city is connected with another that exists somewhere in the Himalayas, if i remember well it is called Agharta Beta of Mu or something like that, but dont believe me, better check the contact notes. . .

take care
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Newinitiation
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To Mark Campbell and forum members

The blue race are living underground in two cities of Agartha 1 and 2 , beneath India and France ,respectively . Some of their descendants are living in India , because they are mixed in the bloodline .Some of them are living in the USA as well as in many other countries . They are very dark , almost black , but the inner lips as well as eyelids reveal a light blue base .Twice I have seen individuals in person here in the USA .I have no idea what the purebreed blue looks like , but perhaps the old artwork of India's Sri Krisna articulates a visual truth .



Mark I gather that you being a passive member for some time no doubt would know things that many of us non-passive members don't, Have you any information as to how technologically superior these Agarthians from beta 1 and beta 2 are in terms of comparisons with the surface dwelling terrestrials?

If they are far advanced than us, i'd gather that they've moved beyond the nomadic tribal lfestyle some ramnant of past Giants in south America is living but do any of them maintain contact with the terrestrials and do you know whether its to keep their existence secret that they remain underground, out of sight from us?

Do any of them interfere in the terrestrial affairs or are they happy to just live and let live?

If they do intervene here and there, will they be the race of people in which Ptaah mentioned who will come out of hidden secrecy to help the terrorised people by the USA in the prophecised WW3?

If the regent of agarthi/a is alive and well today why doesn't he give out a directive to intermingle among us and shape the terrestrial future for the better seeing as the health of the surface eco-system is very important to their overall health as well and as it is prophecised, their will come a time when the oxygen level will dwindle on the surface, meaning the underground cities will no doubt also be effected or are their physical characteristics so contrasting and too obvious that they can't show themselves?

I wonder how big a population the aghartha and the city of Mu under the Gobi desert is?

Would they be aware of the plejaren presence and intervention since ancient time here on earth?

If they had the intergalactic space travelling technology, do some UFO sighting attributed to their flying crafts other than the 3 other races who visits earth sporadically, the plejaren crafts, the terrestrial saucer shaped flying machines and any other sightings?

Seeing as the beta 1 and beta 2 is connected by long interconnecting tunnels that span many thousands of kilometers of networks, how could it be possible that out of 7.8 billion people in existence on earth haven't made a considerable discovery of these tunnels? why so much hearsay about them in such magazines as NEXUS in the antarctica but yet none found that is widely known through the mass media?

Was there ever any collaboration of agharthians with the NAZIS during and after the war?

The construction of these underground cities must be meticulously constructed due to its depth underground, this means no less than a very advanced technical knowhow which goes back to my earlier question, that being why would any civilization with such advanced technical superiority need ever to live as proxy in such a state of secrecy and confinement when even if they are peace oriented, they could still find a way to establish themselves on the surface or even build space stations out in one of the planets in our solar system or moons and live there which we terrestrials will eventually do anyway?

In the contact 251, it states that there will be a discovery made of an undersea faring civilization who will at some point have some conflict with us surface dwellers, could these pirates be one of the blue agharthian races?

Frequent earthquakes and tremors must at one point in time effect the underground civilization of the agharthians, I wonder how they deal with these issues and seeing as the environmental catatrophies will only get worse in greater magnitude than before, how does such people protect themselves other than migration into different location already built for such anticipated scenario?

Like the plejarens who at one point in time had 7000 telemeter discs hovering all over the globe for reconniscence missions or simple observation and monitoring, would the Agharthian also have satellites and telemeter disc that probe and analyse the happenings in all quarters of the globe in every country, district, state, region, territory, locality, suburb and maybe even in every household?

Would they also encounter such thing as tribal conflict between different sections of their own society or have they achieved lasting peace as the plejarens have?

I am not certain why the Agharthian or rather the plejarens have not established contact with them in any way, seeing as they are probably more developed than us and less inclined to waring and degeneracies, why don't the plejarens maintain some kind of contact with them?

I have many more questions I would like to continue asking but I'll stop here.
Even having an answer for a few would help

Thanks Mark and forum members
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Markc
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Hi Newinitiation ;

When I read your first paragraph I thought it was my own , because I had the same experience of seeing two of them on different occasions and places .

I don't know much more , really , although I have read the same information . As for their tech , I am under the impression that they have beamships of some design , but I'm not sure where I read this . If you do a search for Phil McKainey ( have I misspelled?), his old posts might be the source of it . Otherwise , his posts were all very informative .

Thanks , Mark
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Newinitiation
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Dear Mark

My apologies, I should've added a quote, unquote on your paragraph I pasted from your previous post.

Thanks for the tip, I'll check on that.

BTW is Phil McKainey you were refering to phil638?
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Newinitiation,

No, Phil McKainey is not phil638.

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Dear Scott

Thanks for the clarification there scott
Just as well my assumptions were frivolous as I had checked out, Phil McAiney was the person holding the garbage can lid in the photo that has become a contentious issue for the know it alls who accuse Billy of using the lid that resembles the photo 800 or side skirt of the weddingcake craft to make a model out of.
Whats Phil's user name on this forum do you know, I am just getting posts from phil638 (consolato).

Thanks

Philip_george

Phil made a trip to New Delhi in 2000 and was responsible for tracking down the article in the "Statesman" which citied Billy's visit to India in 1964.
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Simon
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Hey what exactly was Alchera a.k.a Dreamtime or The Dreaming in Australian Mythology, it speaks of the creation of beings and what exactly was the mythical rainbow snake Waugal. The Plejarens contacts don't speak off this (as far as I know). Does Billy still have contact with the Plejaren's so as to exchange information? Anyone has any comments or answers to this?
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Norm
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Simon, Yes Billy still has contacts. Every few months Billy will take questions from us in the Questions to Billy section.
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Simon
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Norm that is fine but what about my question about the Australian Mythology, is there any contact throwing light on it?
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Simon, I don't know.
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