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    Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2006 |
In the history of the Aryans that I read carefully, yesterday. I didn't get what this meant: IN TRUTH, the Hebraons had been the real dregs of society and outcasts of earthman-kind, because they CONSTANTLY INCITED FIGHTS and quarrels within the whole world, which is STILL MAINTAINED UNTIL THE PRESENT. Peace on Earth will finally be then when, this might-thirsty and murderous self-called Hebraon race-connection has become completely SCATTERED. Who r da Hebraon race, what did Semjase mean by the word scattered? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Celestialbrother, I think the Hebraons are refered as the ancestors of the Jews, i.e. in the contact note they are Jews are mentioned as the descendants of the Hebraons. So answering the question as to who they are; I would say that they were the people of Israel. About the word 'scattered' I don't know. Moderators and forum members, correct me, If any of the above was incorrect. Regards, Spaceman | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: From Wikipedia: The Jewish "diaspora" (Hebrew: Tefutzah, "scattered", or Galut , "exile") is the dispersion of the Jewish people throughout Babylonia and the Roman Empire. Salome | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys. Since this one is so painfully close to the bone, let me please just jump in with some clarification. Scott, as ever, please feel free to shift this if you decide it would be better in the “Translation” section, and sorry about the length.. "Celestialbrother", the Stevens' translation to which you refer in contact 70, mentioned by "Spaceman" is simply wrong, and exemplifies nicely the main problem people have when relying on that source of information. This error also reveals why I’m so concerned about people, who don’t yet know any better, simply posting English translations on this FIGU Discussion Board unaccompanied by the original German language and contextual references. For the sake of comparison, we've left it all as is @ www.gaiaguys.net/Aryans.htm, but you will notice that we also state near the top of that webpage, "Please note: Several errors of fact were subsequently identified in this preliminary edition of the Contact notes by FIGU, and have been amended here." (“here” being hypertext to www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm ) So let's compare the two versions, and go to our German/English dictionaries. First the Stevens version, then the original German language I scanned from vol 2 of the Contact notes, followed by the unofficial translation Vivienne and I did recently. Peace on Earth will finally be then when, this might-thirsty and murderous self-called Hebraon race-connection has become completely scattered. 144. Ruhe wird es auf der Erde erst dann endgültig geben, wenn dieser macht- und mordgierige und sich selbst zum Volke ernannte Hebraonbund völlig aufgelöst ist, der sich in verschiedene weltherrschaftssüchtige Sekten usw. aufgespaltet hat. 144. Earth will first finally be calm, then, when this power-hungry and bloodthirsty Hebraon alliance, and which they themselves named as a people, which has split into various sects addicted to world control, and so forth, is fully dissolved. Not only quite a difference, but the word "aufgelöst" cannot be correctly translated as "scattered" by any stretch of the imagination. It unambiguously means "dissolved", like a lump of sugar in a cup of coffee is "aufgelöst". Of COURSE this does NOT mean that individual humans of the Jewish faith must be dissolved in tubs of acid! It simply means the peoples (Volk) as a collective whole must - if Earth is ever to know enduring peace* - again suffer the fate they endured (as the NAZI/Zionist collaborators’ vile “solution” to what pre-war historians traditionally referred to as “the Jewish Problem”) prior to the modern state of Israel coming into being as a homeland for the Jews after the Holocaust, where - according to the Plejaren record-keepers, a little more than 4 million people were cruelly murdered by Hitler, himself a Jew, insane with terminal syphilis and bloodlust. In a word; Diaspora, which the traditional Jewish rabbis have always so fervently desired in order to prevent the modern reification of the ancient prophecies from Jmmanuel (“ankle-deep blood”) that they are only too aware of from their own ancient scriptures, having survived the redaction of the scribes and the Pharisees of the time. Only when you have an independent, sound and established (accurate!) historical context to this ugly and obscured topic, can one start to understand what motivates Semjase to be SO damning of an entire people. In fact, there are other ET remarks (some on our site, most not) that are even more strident and I frankly think should be understood as ambit claims for childish Earthlings, (apparently liberally brought into play in other places in the P’s material) like, to cite the extreme example, when we are warned, in no uncertain terms, not to even have Jews as friends, because they are so treacherous in their false “friendships” with the “goyem”(cattle). I needn’t tell you how offensive this is to me personally, but whether I like it or not, that’s what they say, and hiding the fact won’t help us out of these dark and dangerous days. This is why I’m so sensitive about, at the very least, getting the translations right. Peace in wisdom, Dyson * the other half of the world peace equation is: ALL the USAmerican soldiers must immediately GO HOME to their families and STOP KILLING PEOPLE all over the planet! | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Eric, The word 'diaspora' means scattered? I wanted to know what did Semjase meant by "Peace on Earth will finally be then when, this might-thirsty and murderous self-called Hebraon race-connection has become completely SCATTERED". | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dyson, Thank you for clarifing the doubts. I had given a translation, I felt could be of help. But what does the correct English translation say about calling the Hebraons "dregs" of the society? Hilter is a Jew? Wasn't he brought by Roman Catholic parents? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1025 Registered: 02-2000 |
Spaceman, Frankenberger's son? Soon after Adolf Hitler became politically active in the 1920s rumours spread that his ancestry was Jewish. His opponents found out his father had not originally been named Hitler and nobody seemed to know who his paternal grandfather had been. What Hitler really thought about these rumours (as opposed to his public statements) is unknown. Heinrich Himmler had the Gestapo investigate in 1942 and they are said to have turned up nothing. In Mein Kampf Hitler states his paternal grandfather was "a poor cottager" and writes implicitly as a German (Hitler considered his family German and the fact they were Austrians was politics, not nationality). For historians the matter of Jewish ancestry centered around claims made after the war by Hans Frank, who in a confession to a priest while awaiting execution said that after having been asked by Hitler to investigate, he discovered Hitler's grandmother Maria had worked as a servant in Graz for a wealthy Jew named Leopold Frankenberger. Frank asserted that Maria got pregnant and returned to her native village of Strones to have the baby. Frank's testimony was widely believed in the 1950s but by the 1990s was generally doubted by historians. Ian Kershaw dismisses the Frankenberger story as a "smear" by Hitler's enemies, noting that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s. There is also no evidence Maria Schicklgruber ever lived in Graz. While no conclusive proof has arisen to prove whether Hitler had a Jewish ancestor, psychohistorians such as Robert Waite have claimed that the main question is not whether or not Hitler had such an ancestor in reality, but whether Hitler believed this. From this viewpoint, Hans Frank's claims are valid, since he was asked to investigate after Hitler requested it. So now we know its true thanx to the Plejarens. My Website | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 06-2006 |
In fact, there are other ET remarks (some on our site, most not) that are even more strident and I frankly think should be understood as ambit claims for childish Earthlings. Dyson, what are the more Strident remarks that Ps have said, I mean is there a truth we are not being told about? I wish to know, be it even harsh. I mean not having Jews as friends that is like generalizing a group of people? There aren't much Jew where I live, but I am sure not every single Jew is a 'dreg'. Regards Mark | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 311 Registered: 03-2004 |
Norm, where did you get this? Kindly attribute and don't jump to false conclusions without seeing FIGU's material, because what Billy said on page 149 of vol 5 is: " ... Sohn des österreichishen Zollbeamten, Alois Hitler ... Wie Sfath sagte, war er auch Jude, was er aber zeit seines Lebens verleugnet." ([Hitler was] ... son of Austrian customs official, Alois Hitler ... As Sfath said, he was also a Jew, but which he disowned during the period of his life.) Scott,......... Dyson, I have read your comments. In the future could you please send me an e-mail in this regards when you have something to say to me directly. I have interpreted your statement as a message to me, and feel it should be noted as such. Thanks Scott Peace, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 312 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Spaceman. I forgot to reply to your other question. Not "dregs" which sink to the bottom, but "scum" (Abschaum) which floats to the top. Big distinction. I've tried to explain this before @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6597.html, being the Translations Section. Let me quote myself. "I have seen the word scum used on this list. (I’ve used it myself in connection with the word dregs.) Scum’s original German language counterpart, Abschaum, like the English word, has a primary meaning and a secondary meaning. The word Abschaum is meant in its primary meaning. It does not just mean filth." BTW, we have not translated anything about Adam & Eve, nor have we any intention of translating anything more about Apollo 11, aside from maybe some remarks by one of the core members writing that they dared not speak out (about the hoax)earlier, due to personal safety concerns (at the hands of The Control Group.) Cheers! Dyson P.S. Figu has good search engines for the forum and the main site. You can word-search any site, even gaiaguys.net) with the advanced google search function. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 313 Registered: 03-2004 |
Spaceman again, in reply to your 90th post. Seek and you will find. I do not wish to burn people with what I know to be true anymore than I already do. This is a hard and valuable lesson. Sorry. You will have to learn German. That's all there is to it. Strive to strive for the truth. That's the key. (Gotta go.) Best, Dyson P.S. For the enlightenment of other readers here, Scott's above posting to me in blue refered to a reply I made regarding a person's posting (which was subsequently removed). | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1027 Registered: 02-2000 |
I got it from Wiki. Where am I jumping to conclusions? My Website | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2006 |
Dear Figu Forum Moderators, It is bewildering once again to see that you post more Jew-hate-inciting things like what Mr. Gaigaguys says above. Unless you know these things are true, and have full evidence, and put it in a proper context, you are doing the FIGU a great disservice by making it appear FIGU ENDORSES JEW-HATING. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 06-2006 |
Well, The truth only enlightens, never burn anyone but those who wish to live a false life. I wish that you DO tell the forum that which you think will 'burn' people. I might learn German, but I still ponder why it is that the Plejarans take such an active role after all isn't the race of men even dear to other human celestial races? I too have my own opinion on various issues and am not directly about to regard yours or Billy's as the TRUTH. I am sure you don't disagree on the last. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 915 Registered: 12-1999 |
Klausmaus, You know that is not the truth, no one is inciting anything here. In my opinion, Dyson, Spaceman, Norm and others are only clarifying certain words, translations etc... When you make statements as you have made, please back them up with quotations from various posts, and then state why you think the way you do about what is being stated. Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 661 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dyson... and all.... Dyson: Just some additional input concerning your correction on Stevens' translation 'Error' on "aufgelöst". In Dutch we speak of: Opgelost. Which can indeed be translated into "Dissolved". But even in the context of it being used, in this case, the translation/wording of "Resolve(d)" can also be utilized. Thus, Solve(d). Stevens surely 'Shot Next To The Target', translating the word as being "scattered". Scattered has truly NO direct connection with Aufgelöst/ Opgelost. Edward. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 381 Registered: 06-2000 |
I never forget that a word is only representative of an idea . When you translate to another language and use a word or a phrase that doesn't transfer well to the people it is being delivered to , and yet faithful to the original people who are from elsewhere ; the meaning just gets lost , sometimes . In German they say " That is a Spanish Village to me" , which means in English " It's Greek to me " , ( concept meaning: I don't understand ) . My idea refers to individual words as well . I feel that " dispersed " would be a better word in English for scattered , or dissolved . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2006 |
Dear Mr. Scott, Why would you be so presumptuous to put words in my mouth and tell me what I know to be true? I do not know what you are suggesting. If you look to the top of the page, it was a question from an entity identified as “Celestialbrother” that began this latest row. In my opinion the question is a setup. Anyone following this discussion forum for the past few months could predict that such a question would elicit exactly the same degenerate line of thinking that has resulted, namely, Jew-hating statements. The only thing stopping the bait from being taken is the principles and judgment of the moderator. That is why I am bewildered that you would allow the first question to be posted and then the expected (and desired by some people?) follow-on degeneracy. There is something-like more that 10 million Jews presently living in this world. If they are all such horrible and untrustworthy people (surely a false premise), what in your mind are they supposed to do? Isolate themselves from the rest of the world and wait until they can be dissolved and scattered? Ridiculous. This sounds like Nazi-induced genocide all over again and is something I’m sure the Figu does not mean to express or endorse. To allow such things to be posted is reckless and certain to discredit Mr. Billy and the Figu. Maybe that is the intent of the people responsible for the discussion and they should be investigated. Would you like to see the anti-defamation people try to shut down this website? Either way, since a lack of good judgment is ruling this discussion board, I will bring this matter up in a question to Mr. Billy in the next round. For this is an important matter that concerns how his organization is being misused. Klausmaus, I am posting this against my better judgement. You did not answer my request and include quotations from the above posts and explain why you feel the way you do. Scott-Moderator | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 665 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Klausmaus.... Dyson is NOT inciting JEWISH-hate as you are inciting him of doing so! Like they say: 'There are Two Sides To A Coin or, Two Sides To A Story', and if you can understand this saying...you are very close to "Comprehension". If you wish to 'incite' people as Dyson or others, as you are doing so, you are 'Blinded' by your own LIES...of what you are Programmed to take/believe as being: Real Authentic Truth. Let us put it this way: You can NOT Prove... that your knowledge of the Jewish history, as YOU know it, as being based on Truth, as YOU perceive it to be! "Unless you know these things are true, and have full evidence, and put it in a proper context, you are doing the Jewish people a great disservice by making it appear JEWISH ENDORSES TRUTH-HATING." Thus, please....: NO TRUTH Hating(as I know, YOU are not representing the majority of the Jewish People)! "The Truth is Harder...Than The Hardest Diamond", I always say..  Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey guys, what is going on in here, 'The Truth is harder than the hardest diamond'? Whats that supposed to mean, that we here can't accept the truth or rather it is hard for us to do so? Instead of saying stuff like, the truth is hard to digest an' all, why don't the people who know the translations of the Plejarans contact notes (one who knows German) answer that I read in contact 70. I mean what Klausmaus says, is NOT something foolish, however I am not saying that there is any anti-semtic news here; all I am asking is for the guys who know the content of the original contact note to explain, Thats all. What is the truth? And of course, Dyson is not Jewish-hating or anythin of that sort, I mean he is just translating, rite?. I don't think it would be hard to digest any fact that anyone is about to present, like c'mon the Bible that was regarded as 'Holy' and 'the word of God', we all accepted was wrong. So wat? | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 04-2006 |
Klausmaus - "There is something-like more that 10 million Jews presently living in this world. If they are all such horrible and untrustworthy people (surely a false premise), what in your mind are they supposed to do? Isolate themselves from the rest of the world and wait until they can be dissolved and scattered?........Maybe that is the intent of the people responsible for the discussion and they should be investigated." Semjase: 103. Especially now, it also confirms what has been said since ancient times, that the Israeli people originally never were an actual people, but that this mass of people, in ancient times, singly and alone consisted of a gigantic group of degenerate and partially even criminal elements, who during their existence on Earth at that time only incited discord, falseness and war. http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm Klausmaus, in keeping with the truth of the topic of this section (Races, Racism, and Rights), you have not researched the Meier material enough yet to know what you are talking about. In truth the Jewish people were never a race of actual people, so how can there be any racism against the jewish people, when in truth they are a group of sham people! No race of people = No Racism! | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 04-2003 |
It seems doubtful that “dissolving” Israel would be of much significance in bringing about world-wide peace. Theoretically it would eliminate a serious point of conflict in the Middle East. But in response to questions about Israel’s significance, Billy has said: 1.) America "thinks" that by supporting Israel she (?) will be successful to achieve her goals (= to rule the world). 2.) Israel’s influence is not big enough in order to help the U.S.A. to achieve its (her?) goal. Coincidentally, if you read the Henoch prophecies, you will not see any mention of Israel as an aggressor of actions in WWIII. But the US, Russia, China, France, Spain, India, Pakistan and Islamic extremists are all mentioned numerous times. Billy has said if WWIII does become a reality, Israel will vanish. But later there will still be the threat of a WWIV. So if Israel has already been vanquished, it’s a fallacious argument to say her dissolution will bring about world-wide peace. No doubt the world will still be filled with other bad actors continually misbehaving. Perhaps world-wide peace will be possible after all the people of the world are killed, and then the earth can have its rest. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 385 Registered: 06-2000 |
Speaking of persons who are misunderstood ; Mel Gibson , as I understand his words at the time ,did not remark against Jews , but against Israel , which is a nation , and he meant the leaders of it , not the people of it . The media is still fielding his reputation like a ball for their own profit .It's called "spin" . Which probably came from the idea of "twisting" words , facts and ideas . Klausmaus , you need to think more and respond less . Your sensitivity of the situation is exactly the problem worldwide , because people are too quick to defend anything said about Israel ; equating the Jewish people as being Israel is like called all American' football players . Mark Campbell |
