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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jo_Jo, Perhaps world-wide peace will be possible after all the people of the world are killed, and then the earth can have its rest. Thats a very sad attitude, is that what you truly believe? I consider that a very inhumane view of life. Scott | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 04-2003 |
Scott, It’s an extremely pessimistic view. Of course it isn’t the only alternative, but the one the world is moving towards. And any talk about dissolving people, be they Israelis or Jews, doesn’t do the cause of peace any benefit. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Everyone, A gigantic wave of Change has hit us worldwide as the nearing Nov 2006 date arrives. If you are not yet aware a possible 3rd World War is prophesized and if you also have not noticed THINGS ARE BEGINNING TO HEAT UP REAL HOT!!! People are scattered, misdirected and making irrational and some rational decisions all of the sudden. North Korea has threatened America with an attack as we have for so many other countries. What will it take for PEOPLE TO LOOK PAST MONETARY GAIN AND PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO THE DIFFERENT WAYS CULTURES OPERATE AND THEN RESPECT THEM? The past two wednesday's at exactly the same time the same day exactly a week apart a Tornado warning sent me out of German Class leaving me wondering if this is "the sign of the times" which happened today. Tomorow we have a freeze advisory. I live in Northern United States but our weather is messed up, seriously! People at work are crazy and everything's so fragile, there seems to be no stability anywhere. People on the radio and in general are literally 4-6 years behind official opinions and thoughts that needed to have been discussed that much earlier. This leaves the current ideology and particular focus of world thought making decisions at the wrong times for the wrong reasons. I'm sure Freud would have said something like "we let the issue build up but then displace our emotion in illogical actions sporatically revealed ten years later" Or maybe that's my interpretation of him. But, I have noticed this social lag since I was a child. Why are people so slow to act? We need action now and getting along HERE as well as in society is vital for this. People who dissagree with the Meier contacts or feel personally offending by some of the "translations" that are preliminary and still under discussion and care to understand them or add a solution without any reason why, I suggest you to read a booklet titled "On Reading And Studying Billy's Writings" This explains how ones mindset and comprehension of words and even the vocabulary of a certain language itself can hinder ones readablity and therefore overall understanding of a particular writing. Personally I found this book-let very useful but I "knew" the logic in it already. As I have read a post that was posted "agianst Scotts better judgement" I can truly reccomend this person reads this booklet. I have read some things in the Meier contacts that oppose some views I once had and still continue to baffle which continue throwing me curve balls. For example the Betty and Barny hill case? Need I say more. Perhaps I need to. Point being, people will not know the truth if they fail to recognize the errors in the ways we currently operate. In other words... we will never change if we remain narrow minded and fail to realize the truth if we remain baiased. We will only protect our ego and our current set of knowledge without removing some to expose any errors in our thoughts. If we don't make room for new information we won't learn any. Simple, true. Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2006 |
Mr. Matt, Join the club of the presumptuous ones. Just because I come to this discussion forum only recently means nothing. I have more than 20 years following Mr. Billy's case. What can you say of your experiences, oh more learned one? | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2006 |
To all my one-star friends (even if you are just one person voting seven times): Today there is an estimated 13.9 million Jews worldwide in over 134 countries. There are more Jews in the US than Israel. Geographic breakdown is approximately 40.8% US, 37.4% Israel, 21.8% rest of the world. To where should all these Jews and Israelites be dissolved? For contextual reference, remember, Mr. Gaigaguys is a self-described believer of the false doctrine the Protocols of Zion, a rabidly anti-Semitic fabrication. This is a fact. He even has the audacity to anoint himself more an authority than Mr. Christian, Mr. Billy and his ET friends in regards to the veracity of this document. Another fact. Consider carefully who you trust and who might be trying to blow up Mr. Billy’s case. Also ask yourself these questions: why is Mr. Gaigaguys always harping on the Jews, and why does he never ask Mr. Billy any questions? Surely the person devoting his life to translating Mr. Billy’s contacts has more questions than the rest of us combined, that is, if he’s looking for the real meanings. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2006 |
Mr. Markc, I am not willing to defend the actions of the media in any regard, but Mr. Gibson is the first one to accuse of "spin". His exact words as recorded by the police ...in addition to threatening the arresting deputy and trying to escape, Gibson said, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asked the officer, James Mee, "Are you a Jew?" To now try and change this to Israel, Israelites, leaders of Israel, well, that is the ultimate spin. As you probably know, his new movie is coming to theatres December 8th. That lying bastard is doing it for $$$. You can read the full post back when the situation happened at this link on the FIGU site: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6365.html?1154399724#POST21945 Mr. Markc, I will worry about the splinter in my eye after you have tended to the beam in yours. Good luck! | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello Matt, You say the Jewish people were never a race? Then what are the people of Israel supposed to be? Didn't Semjase mention that the descendants of the Hebraons were the Jews? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 04-2006 |
We as neutral observers don`t want to bash the jews/israelis.But let us concentrate on the facts. - The israeli/jews governments/rules have since inmemorial times strived for power/domination.I don`t know if the bafath was partly responsible for that. - Just as religion has a long lasting negative effect on human beings, that needs many lifetimes to dissolve (auflösen), centuries of machinations, aggresiveness, wars, crimes have characterized the hebraon`s behavior.This will take its time also many to neutralize.Remember, via fluidal forces we impregnate any object with our feelings/thoughts that has a lasting effect.If these fluidal forces are of religious or aggressive origin, they will have an effect on our behaviours unless we have developed our consciousnesses so far that we can neutralize them.That is not the case of the majority of the israelis so far, who are so happy learning and adoring Moses` poisonous torah. - The israeli government publicly allows so called " selective assasinations " of arab leaders.(Well the USA does also and has recently abolished "habeas corpus" and allowed inhumane procedures concerning detainees interrogation and torture). - Israel as a Nation was some kind of reward/compensation of WWII allies to the jews for their shame about holocaust.For such unexpected "gift" these people/nation should be forever grateful and generous, being an example to other nations concerning peace, cooperation and knowledge.Having suffered recently such a terrible collective experience such as the holocaust, it seems they have not learned anything from that experience (see Lebanon conflict), because today they behave exactly the same as their torturers/killers in german polish concentration camps. - In the name of the memories of those killed in the Holocaust, nobody is allowed/legitimate to criticize Israel politics or he will be inevitably called "antisemitic" or " antijew".This is part of the israeli propaganda machinery, they know it and they use it as a pretext to disguise their disgraced international policies/relations. I have tried to be objective but if you feel a bit of antisemitism in my words, let me know. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Folks, Races, racism and rights: All seperations and nuances of races that come from the very same identical lifestream. World peace will happen when we realize we are on the same boat... The good ship "Terra" (Earth) and we have to learn to work and live together or else suffer inhumanities brought about by ignorance of the truth. We all make mistakes, but are they really mistakes or are they learning experiences? That's how we learn. When we know this we will find peace. We are getting away from our power of oneness/love here... Isn't that what racism by it's very definition stems from? A reminder by Semjase taken from: http://www.figu.org/us/spiritual_teaching/introduction.htm Line 3) The human bears a spirit that does not die nor sleep during the deepest sleep; it records all thoughts and motions; it informs the human whether his thoughts are correct or false-if he has learned to pay attention. Line 4) The spirit within the human is the bearer of the creative realm, and every human has his own (spirit). Line 7) Heaven and Earth will perish, but truth, knowledge, wisdom and spirit will never be changing [change?] or perish. Line 17) The spirit is the wonder of all wonders, and all power emerges from it. Line 34) Wisdom is an elemental, tremendous power Line 40) However, wisdom is the characteristic of a human who has recognized the existence of his spirit and cooperates along with the spiritual laws. Line 65) First, however, the human learns the truth, and thereby he will gain freedom and peace, a peace which is imperishable, a power without an end. Line 76) If it pursues the function of expanding the spiritual knowledge, then it is a powerful instrument of the creative order. Line 88) And the human is connected with this mighty spirit, with these elemental powers of existence, Creation, spiritual intelligence, because a fragment of this spirit-intelligence Creation dwells within, and enlivens, the human as spirit. Line 94) The spiritual intelligence is enlightened by lawful spiritual principles, and directed towards the creative being, the perfection and the power of what is creative itself Line 95) This in contrast to the human intelligence, because the human consciousness generally only deals with single things of the material world. Line 100) Within the human, there should reign a continually conscious feeling of belonging to what is creative, with his essential spiritual breath, his essential spiritual BEING. Line 101) It shall be spiritually clear to him that his essential spiritual BEING is inseparably one with what is Creative, in order that he may-in this awareness-overcome the material outer world. Line 107) For what is a human? Line 108) He is only a figure and a name. Line 109) If one takes away a human's name and figure, what will remain? Line 110) What remains is the fundamental essence, the existence-the spirit. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. Hi Rarena, Sorry, but I had to remove the image from your post, because it was changing the way the pages were being displayed in this thread. Regards Scott | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 129 Registered: 02-2000 |
FIGU distances itself from any form of racism. People who are mastering German and, therefore, can read all publications (more than 24,000 pages so far), will have noticed that there is quite some criticism regarding the USA, Israel, China and many other countries, including Switzerland. These "accusations" are mainly published in the Bulletins/Newsletters and the Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte (Contact Notes). As has been emphasized again and again (during the talks between Billy and his ET friends) is the fact that if, e.g., Israel is accused of crimes etc., it is never meant that the whole people of Israel (or the USA, etc.) is blamed or made responsible for the bad things that are happening. In each country on this earth there are people living who are really striving for peace and who are against hatred, revenge, death penalty and all the other many vices. But of course there are also those people who are electing criminals into the governments. If you look at this year's Lebanon war it is plainly visible that only criminals can start and execute a war like this. And just today I read in my newspaper that an estimated 650.000 Iraqi have died because of the war. Therefore the persons and the government who started that war were/is personally and collectively responsible for the death of those victims. Anyone who was supporting the beginning of that war, of any war, is personally responsible for any death and injury that happened because of the war! If someone is accusing Israel, or the USA, of mass murder, then this is no racism at all. It must be stated clearly, though, that it is necessary to make a difference between Jews, Israel, the Israeli government, the Israeli who are/were supporting the devastation in Lebanon, the Israeli who were against the war, the U.S. citizens, the U.S. government, the supporters of the Iraq war, the peace movement, etc. etc. And of course it is not acceptable the accuse "the Jews" of all the bad in this world, just as one cannot accuse all Christians or all Muslims or Hindus etc. of all the bad that there is on this planet. Such statements are clearly the sign of poor (or lacking) intelligence of the person who is voicing such silly claims. Just as all Christians are not ONE race, the Jews are also not one race. Perhaps it may be of interest to the readers of this forum that ten (10) Israeli tribes had migrated to the Afghanistan and Western Pakistan region more than 2000 years ago (and since they did not get extinct, but procreated, it's up to the reader to ponder the political aspects of this issue). Regarding Israel I want to add my opinion that the foundation of the state of Isreal after WWII was a severe mistake and should never have occurred. It wasn't simply an occupation of free land that didn't belong to anybody. However, even if this "mistake" occurred (which brought uncountable grief and deaths to this earth, and especially to the Near East), I don't think that it can be made undone today. I don't think that all those Israeli, who are hating the Arabs and Palestinians, will decide to leave for the USA or Russia or Europe and let the rest make peace with the peace-loving part of the Palestinians. But I also don't think that Israel will exist long into the future if it doesn't change its war-mongering and suppressing politics and thinking and acting. As long as we have governments and nations on this planet that are endangering world peace it is the duty of every peace-loving person to criticize them, be it the USA or Israel, Iran or North Korea, or other nations or terrorist organisations. And since there exist close connections between the USA and Israel, many Jews (as well as Christians) must be held responsible for the bad situation the world is in today. To accuse those persons of being war-mongers etc. is NO racism at all. I know that the expression/term "racism" is misused by many people and organisations, even states. But as it is written in the OM, canon 32, verse 253: He who keeps silent if he is kicked, is not lenient, but wretched, and he who keeps silent if he sees that his fellow-human being is maltreated, is a traitor of performing one's duty towards life. (Wer stillschweigt, wenn ihm ein Fusstritt versetzt wird, der ist nicht nachsichtig, sondern erbärmlich, und wer stillschweigt, wenn er sieht, wie der Nächste misshandelt wird, der ist ein Verräter an der Pflichterfüllung des Lebens.) | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Scott, Thanks for all you do, anytime you want to change any of my posts you are more than welcome. Tried to send to your figu.org address but get a rebound so have been emailing here. Thanks again Scott, Randy ô¿ô Hi Rarena, Your certainly welcome....I wonder why its bouncing back?, the last part of the address should be "forum.figu.org", It used to be "figu.org", but it was changed earlier in the year... Regards Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1029 Registered: 02-2000 |
My source on Hitler's Grandfather being Jewish, since no one believes me. I think this helps confirm Meier part of the story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler My Website | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 01-2006 |
Klausmaus "For contextual reference, remember, Mr. Gaigaguys is a self-described believer of the false doctrine the Protocols of Zion, a rabidly anti-Semitic fabrication. This is a fact. He even has the audacity to anoint himself more an authority than Mr. Christian, Mr. Billy and his ET friends in regards to the veracity of this document. Another fact. Consider carefully who you trust and who might be trying to blow up Mr. Billy’s case. Also ask yourself these questions: why is Mr. Gaigaguys always harping on the Jews, and why does he never ask Mr. Billy any questions? Surely the person devoting his life to translating Mr. Billy’s contacts has more questions than the rest of us combined, that is, if he’s looking for the real meanings." "Either way, since a lack of good judgment is ruling this discussion board, I will bring this matter up in a question to Mr. Billy in the next round. For this is an important matter that concerns how his organization is being misused." Hi Klausmaus, I questioned Dyson in response to the questions you mentioned there above about Gaiaguysnets and this is the email I got back from him - Feel free to inform Klausmaus http://singles.freenet.de/m%C3%A4nnlich_51_Hannover_klausmaus_1191727.html that I told you in your personal correspondence that if he ever DOES read Billy's material, he will see that it contains full answers to all the important questions, so I don't have to WASTE Billy's precious time the way HE does. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thank you very much, Christian. For the record: gaiaguys.net (being Dyson Devine & Vivienne Legg), also unjustly accused of racism, is not racist and we CATEGORICALLY REJECT and UNRESERVEDLY CONDEMN the vile practice of racism. Salome, Dyson and Vivienne | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 06-2006 |
Klausmaus: "To all my one-star friends (even if you are just one person voting seven times)" The forum only allows you to vote on any ONE post only ONE time, try it yourself. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2006 |
Very well said Mr. Christian. Thank you for your view of balance and perspective. Your posting should serve as a top-notch reference towards Figu's stance against racism and other forms of group hating. People should always be specific in their criticism not to lump together all people of a race or nation. Criticize the war-mongers and supporters of war, not the peace-loving people, which normally out-number the other side. When they do the wrong thing, criticize Bush, Blair, Putin, Chirac, Hu, Olmert, Abbas, Jong-il, Musharraf, Singh, Ahmadinejad, Bin-Laden, et. al, and their subordinates, underlings, toadies and cheerleaders. Criticize them and their actions, and criticize in proportion to the ills they are bringing. And in the bad cases, vote them out or impeach them from office. It isn’t only the Israelis causing all the trouble in the world. Knee-jerkers that unabashedly and exclusively criticize Israel and Jews without differentiating the good from the bad are being anti-Semitic, pure and simple. The people in each country should first and foremost put their attention on the evils being caused in their local areas where they can be most effective in bringing about relief. If the people in the Middle East are having problems, they should work first to solve them without interference from outside parties, Christian religious groups, United Nations, superpower nations, etc. Likewise, the people of Australia should solve their own internal problems first before accusing the Jews and Israelis of all the world’s problems. He that lives in the glass castle must be careful when slinging stones. With this I bid adieu to this topic and all my one star friends who I'm sure are glad to see me go. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2006 |
Surely, neither Dyson and the Giaguys nor the Plejarans are racist in their views. There is a misunderstanding here, in the translations; which I think should be clarified. Dyson, I would request you would explain to the forum members (for those who don't know German). Actually, I myself have not understood those few sentences. Dyson, Don't be hesitant to say something because you think it might hurt anyone's feelings, reveal the truth about the matter. I think that would bring clarity to what the Plejarans mean and the end to this misunderstanding. Mark | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2006 |
Very good Mr. Markc, I see you’ve had your fun with me. You did 5 minutes research and found my posting “Indefensible actions of an alcoholic and notorious Jew-hater…Mel Gibson”. You then took the other side of that argument and defended the indefensible one (setting the bait). And viola, I took it…hook, line and sinker. You proved the point and showed how easy it is to manipulate people. The setup begun by Celestialbrother is something that should never be permitted…baiting the Australian people into their Jew-hate speak. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2006 |
To Mr. Gaigaguys, Words are easy to come by, actions are harder. Prove you are not racist by categorically rejecting the vile, racist document of the Protocols of Zion and removing it from your website. Or do you instead hide behind the illogical semantics used by the water-carrier, Matt, who said: the Jewish people were never a race of actual people, so how can there be any racism against the jewish people, when in truth they are a group of sham people! No race of people = No Racism! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2005 |
To all, It is my note to stick up for Dyson and Vivienne who are dedicated to providing translation and interpretation of the Billy Meier material written in Swiss/German. GREAT JOB! YOU GUYS ROCK!!! It is my understanding that thier translations are accurate and that they deserve better treatment that hurling insults. It is okay to disagree but hey, vial and dispicable does not describe Vivienne and Dyson. They are intelligent and well meaning individuals seeking just as you are. We all learn at a different rate, but we all learn, sooner or later. Live and let live. Read the spiritual notes given by Semjase. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> "A big state can take over a small state if it places itself below the small state. And the small state can take over a big state if it places itself below the big state. Thus some, by placing themselves below, take over others, and some, by being naturally low, take over other states. After all, what a big state wants is but to annex and herd others, and what a small state wants is merely to join and serve others. Since both big and small states get what they want, the big state should place itself low." In matters of political relationships, Lao Tzu | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Klausmaus, I never wanted any of this, I read what I read and asked thats all. I am against any form of racism. I mean how can anyone say that Jews have to be dissolved or that they incited fights (wars) when America itself is doing something much worse. How can one blame N.Korea or other countries of testing nuclear weapons, USA has done over a 1000 is there any country that is in position to question Bush's actions? So, if there Plejarans are saying anything like the Jews are dregs or stuff, we have to remember that our counrty has not been saintly either and is rather THE ROOT of all wars. We gave Saddam weapons, we should remember that too! | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2006 |
Klausmaus: "To Mr. Gaigaguys, Words are easy to come by, actions are harder. Prove you are not racist by categorically rejecting the vile, racist document of the Protocols of Zion and removing it from your website." Klausmaus, with how most of the worlds mainstream media, bankers and so on, are owned and run by Jewish people, do you think that Semjase could be reffering to the Protocols of Zion below 106. Their distant descendents now, today's Israelis, respectively their responsible ones and their myrmidons can - like the U.S.A. - commit the worst crimes pitilessly and unhindered and with their secret services and military, right before the eyes of the world at large, and even with their approval. 107. Not only that the secret service and military have criminal elements and trustworthy friends in many nations of Earth, who they, as ever, simply brutally and bloodthirstily butcher as needed and to reach their goals, no, they also have - again like the USA - through their intrigues, also understood how to make the appropriate friends in the governments, the economic concerns and banks, and so forth, or even creep into these themselves, so that their power has already grown to the degree that this cannot be grasped and perceived by Earth humans any more. http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm Klausmaus, if you think that the western worlds media is not nearly all controlled by these Zionist/Jewish type of people, then I think you should watch this short 5 minute clip (about the war in Israel/Lebanon) in this post that I posted here a little while ago. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- British MP Galloway Blasts Zionist Media Live on SKY News interview. Its very good and it also mentions quite a few important things that I didn't know about Israel/Lebanon, which I've never seen mentioned anywhere here yet about the war in Israel/Lebanon. This interview is also a very good example which shows how biased the western world mainstream media is. http://mahmood.tv/?p=2677 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony, I have deleted your list of names with regards to the American Media, because it has been posted at an earlier time. Based on the list of individuals who have responded to this series of posts, it now seems no progress is being made, but a rehashing of the original issues. Thanks for you understanding Regards Scott-Moderator | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 01-2006 |
Klausmaus, I made a small mistake. This quote of yours is the quote I meant to use at the top of my prior post to you. Klausmaus: "For contextual reference, remember, Mr. Gaigaguys is a self-described believer of the false doctrine the Protocols of Zion, a rabidly anti-Semitic fabrication. This is a fact." |
