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    Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2007 |
Dear Rarena As I recently studied your comments posted in January 02 , 2008 I have some questions about the 12 commandments that you have presented there. 1- If this Commandments also comes from Billy as you mentioned at the above of your comments?(if i,m not wrong) 2- No. 2 of the commandments says: (( you shall keep holy the name of creation and not abuse this name))...so it has very similarity to the old religious text , I mean Old , New Testament and specially Quran , In the last one you can change the word God to the word Creation no any meaning of the old these teachings never will change! Quran in a lot of verses wants that every believer must and shall respect the name of God(Creation), keep the holy name and not to abuse belongs to some terms in relation understanding of a personality , and though how Old and even people in this era can realize not to abuse and keep holy the name of un-personal identity with very personnel terms?! If the Quran not righteous to put word God instead of Creation 3-in subject mentioned at No.4, what is the definition and identity of Bond with creation that not to be broken? why only adultery highlighted here? and whats the other abusing behavior that can break this bond to the creation? Is it not the same as Criminal Crimes? or Big Sin? 4- in No.5 also you can put the word God instated of creation and nothing will changed 5-in No.9 yes never speak of untruth , but how about semi_truth ( in Old and New texts) that could simply results to the untruth very logically and produce the falls religious teachings?! 6-No.11, how the truth logically could be cursed?! ( not better if we put Creation instead of truth? ) 7-No.12, not clear at all to me I wonder to know what is the meaning would be? Best Regards Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2007 |
Message for Scott - Moderator, Greetings in peace. I just want to inform you of a "broken-link" (hyperlink). At the start of this section page, there is the statement: >> "'For an explanation of the concept "Laws and Commandments of Creation", >click here<'" << When this is clicked-on, the page is unavailable or been removed. It is still possible to go to steelmarkonline.com by deleting the remainder of the address which follows after the com/, but not to the "Laws and...". You may want to change the hyperlink at the "'click here'", to avoid confusion. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hey Forum, Creation has come from where? if there is no any Creator-God? if we accept that Creation can create itself and than provide any and every life forms in all levels, can we assume that It can be the First Cause? if so it couldent be Creator-God? the meaning i think can be the same but explanation or conception different Wish You Luck | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi There isnīt any creator or "god" in the religious sense (the "creator" of all is the Creation itself), that is just a silly and absurd teaching which was taught by extraterrestrials in former times to bring people into their control by stating that they were almighty and creators of the universe etc. Supposedly it is absolutely impossible for human beings to know the cause of all causes, all that we know (thanks to Billy and probably this knowledge isnīt "his" but comes from higher spirit planes) is that the Creation originated from an "Idea", that is: some form of very concentrated spiritual energy which came from what we would call "absolute nothing" from the questions to Billy section: "The absolute void or nothingness is an infinite space which contains no material form but spiritual energy only. We cannot comprehend or understand all of this with our thinking/brains." you can read Billyīs explanations about the origin of Creation in the FIGU webpage (well in the Spanish version its in an interview in the Spiritual Teachings section, in the English version i dont know if its available) take care | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2007 |
Helo Ebrahim and Memo, Greetings to All In Peace, My understanding of Creation is that Creation has ALWAYS existed. Creation never had a "first-cause". It is/are the Universes which come into existence as Creation expands again and again into lifeforms, which are also all expressions of Creation. The understanding is that as the current Universes undergo the evolutionary process and expansion, we lifeforms evolve also to perfection through the Billions and Billions of years. At some point, the expansion reverses and during the next Billions of years, all the lifeforms and material universes re-unite with Creation. Then Creation rests for Eons, and starts again new Universes and lifeforms. This cycle is endless. I know this is over-simplication, but is true as far as I know it to be. Saalome Gam Naan Ben Uurda, Gan Njjber Asaala Hesporoona. Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 12-2007 |
Memo Thanks but it is not the Answer. "absolute nothing"....it means absolute Non-will also? "The absolute void or nothingness is an infinite space which contains no material form but spiritual energy only. We cannot comprehend or understand all of this with our thinking/brains." from where that spritiual energy has come? Wish You Luck | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2007 |
J_rod7 Thank you for comment, I also studied some English texts of the Figu , I think the term is not clear yet. Man needs to have some thing very clear and simple (as his current level) conception of the idea. How one can realize or imagine that pure and conscious spiritual energy come to exist by itself , can we say some time It was Nothing and this Nothing create itself as spiritual energy and of course with very sophisticated prearranged program?! the Being and Not to Being was similar to each other and without any difference or priority at the first time right? but the Will of Being has come from where? see, we come again to the First Cause I think. - I also think you all as every body else have fond a lot of confusion , hard to explain and understands points in Billy and Figu works. so I wonder to know if most answers can be fond clearly after study the Materials? (as anybody experience)? Wish You Luck | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 06-2006 |
Mehraein I recommend that you read the 'spiritual terminology' that Jacob has provided for us which gives a summary of Creation, and its many stages, and the many forms/levels that come before the Creation that created the universe we currently reside in. Even though it still may not be clear after reading the provided information, that is likely to be as good as it gets until you translate a more in depth explanation from the texts. And also, because it is incomprehensible to man, it has been suggested that it is not in one's best interest to pursue this particular line of enquiry at the expense of other more comprehensible topics, that are relevant for one's own evolution right at this present time. here is the link to the spiritual terminology: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/4224.html?1162333621 Robjna | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Ebrahim, As you ask: >> "can we say some time It was Nothing and this Nothing create itself as spiritual energy" <<. My answer: Creation NEVER HAD a "first cause". Creation ALWAYS IS. "Has been" or "will be" are irrelevant - these are also concepts of material time-space. Creation is in the Everlasting NOW. Creation IS the "first cause" of the energy and these material Universes, as these creations come FROM Creation itself. Eternity is a concept of time-space. Creation IS from eternity to eternity to eternity in an endless cycle. Time-space and Dimension only exist in the created material Universes. After all lifeforms and material Universes are re-united with Creation, Space-time and Dimension ceases to exist. Creation rests. There is not any void, not any nothingness, not any space, as these are the fabrics of Creation - re-united into Creation. In this state of rest, There is ONLY Creation - The ALL-That-IS. In this rest state, we ALL are at-one-ment within Creation, no longer under the ILLUSION of separateness. After the EONS of REST, Creation renews and recreates the multitudes of Universes and lifeforms as "sparks" of spirits from out of Creation itself. First as conscious thought, then as energy-form, then as material-form from the energy. Time-space and Dimension arise simultaneously with the material Universes. Then the evolution process begins anew. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 12-2007 |
Robjna, Thank you for the Link, ya I saw it already. It has a lot of amazing and maybe the Best points about the subject, I must take the time and study it more deeper but also from my current thinking I suppose it dosent matter how many times we must go back to see where is the beginning of Creation, my question is about the Natural of the Beginning itself. can not any thing happen by itself Pardon me please , I know this can be a very boring question. But how anything can start to Become by itself? when it was Nothing! (And also, because it is incomprehensible to man, it has been suggested that it is not in one's best interest to pursue this particular line of enquiry at the expense of other more comprehensible topics, that are relevant for one's own evolution right at this present time). Yes ,Right ,we can say this, but than the UnAnswerd Questions would be piled up and its wieght halt us to go forward. Wish You Luck | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 06-2006 |
(And also, because it is incomprehensible to man, it has been suggested that it is not in one's best interest to pursue this particular line of enquiry at the expense of other more comprehensible topics, that are relevant for one's own evolution right at this present time). Yes ,Right ,we can say this, but than the UnAnswerd Questions would be piled up and its wieght halt us to go forward. ****only if you continue to carry them around with you! You can just put them aside, knowing that in a few billion years or so, you will be closer to understanding them -- and just get on with what is within your reach. It is simple! Robjna | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 12-2007 |
Robjna Thanks good point ;) J_Rod7 Excellent expression , It makes it more clear. I think we can deal with the subject more tangible by this way But also I know we must put aside the conception of God-Creator as New edge Spiritual teaches But its not the very easy job for people minds yet. Wish You Luck | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello J_Rod, I would like to correct one thing you said. Creation is not the first cause. Actually according to BEAM an earlier or more primary factor was the finest known energy of the Absolute Void that existed before even the first Creation type. Just thought you might find that interesting since there was energy in the void even if there were no structures of any kind to speak of... | ||
Peacelovefreedom Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2008 |
How to study the creational law? Hi all. I have a question. I would like to study creational laws. What are they? and how can I study them? It is a broad question, but I would like to know. If you remember the site or discussion on this issue, in this site or other, please let me know. Thank you very much. Peacelovefreedom. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Peacelovefreedom, Welcome to the FIGU forums. You are already in the right place to begin your study. Simply go back in the archives of this section to do some research. There you will find, in the discussions, some insights to get you going in the direction you want. For more information and material, go to the website at www.futureofmankind.co.uk and do a search. There are bulletins there from Billy and the Plejarens which have been translated from German into English. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 08-2006 |
Peacelovefreedom, Worthy words indeed! I would suggest: Look at the `Spiritual Teachings` section at this website and in particular a `Billy Meier Interview`. There is an article by a core FIGU member Christian Frehner-Explanations regarding the term "Laws and Commandments of Creation". I have it on file, but I don't know its location. Also, buy the TJ (Talmud Jmmanuel). Keep searching and you will be rewarded! Charles. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 649 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Peacelovefreedom ; Watch nature . Seriously , it takes much time . Observing human nature is a part of it . Understanding subtle interactions as well as the use of distance against the fine art of contact , for example . It takes attentiveness . Someone who goes through life making the same mistakes over and over will not gather much knowledge this way .You should make a conscious effort to direct your thoughts toward noticing the relationship between objects , as well as living creatures . Teach yourself . The Creational laws are only truly revealed this way .It wouldn't be fair to insist upon the importance of rules given in a subjected manner , because it would make it too easy for people to fool themselves into thinking that they have really learned something , when they have only digested someone else's experience . Talking to people at length is a way to learn about interpersonal matters , which are essential to a human's life lessons , as long as you are involved in new experiences rather than living vicariously through others . If you notice Billy's texts are always in reference to the wisdom gained from experience , a stimulant directive towards the type of thinking that teaches from your own involvement . Of course , his writings are appropriate without giving a bullet-list of numbered laws . The canons in the OM , are a good example of observations to the conclusion of wisdom . Not so serious : Two bulls watching a herd of cows from a hill , and the young bull says , "lets go down there and have our way with all of them" . The older bull says , "go on , I'll catch up with you later" . Time teaches patience , pacing , and self knowledge . I hope I made my thoughts understandable . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2008 |
I don't want to be rude..... But everybody says, when asked about the laws of Creation, that they should look in the nature... Because all I heard about was the law of cause and effect. How should the humans on Earth live according to the laws of Creation when they do not know them. Adrian. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello Adysor, ''How should the humans on Earth live according to the laws of Creation when they do not know them.'' Then they wont. If they do not know the laws and are not interested, they will not live by them in there current incarnation. But if there interested in looking for true spirituality, then they will search and possibly find truth within themselves, or find it through a teaching, like Billy's for example. ''But everybody says, when asked about the laws of Creation, that they should look in the nature...'' Because the laws of nature are the laws of the Creation. Salome Dave | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 05-2007 |
Simply put. The people of earth just have to wake up and realise what really is important in life. | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2006 |
Good One Mark, You made my day! It's a dreary day outside and I have just got on the net and was checking any responses, etc from my posts of yesterday. Being a little older now (67) and having been a part-time beef farmer, I had a good laugh when I read your example above about the bulls. Mind you as I said to my wife (between laughs), there are two other possibilities-the old bull may have had no more `fire in his belly` or maybe his rickety old legs couldn't get him down there fast enough! Charles. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 359 Registered: 12-2004 |
Please get back to the topic | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 07-2007 |
Adysor, The infinite laws of nature are patterns found within the fabric of all life, these patterns themselves evolve and change through time, the eternal wave of existence. However, some of these patterns are easier to spot than others and to spot them you must observe purely what you perceive. This doesn't just mean a plant, animal, solar system, or planet, but everything you experience. Recognizing these patterns allows for us to evolve further as we come to understand ourselves more greatly. If you want to know them and bring them into total awareness, you can indeed find them within nature, however by just looking at a plant grow is not enough, you must observe how it grows and question every aspect of it's existence and it's purpose. You must desire to truly understand to understand truly. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2008 |
Well this is the "Creation's Laws and Commandments" right ? Well then, lets talk about them. Let us post what we have found about the laws of Creation and analyze them or something. I mean this is the only way we are going to learn them and live in respect of Creation. So, from what I read, I found some laws and commandments(I'm not sure they are all right that is why we need to talk about it): 1-The well-known LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT 2-The LAW OF COMING AND PASSING AWAY OF LIFE(maybe the law of reincarnation?) 3-It's ok to EAT MEAT as long as it is for SURVIVAL NOT PLEASURE(commandment??) 4-The law of ONENESS(everything is connected to the Creation through the creational spirit residing in each living being) 5-The Law Of EQUAL Opportunities/Law of Equality(meaning that human beings have the same rights to life between each of them, also tied to fauna and flora, animals and plants have a right to live on this planet therefore they must have their own place to live.) 6-Do not place yourself higher or lower than you really are(commandment?) 7-The LAW OF RESPECT(maybe??) 8-The LAW OF LOVE(my question is why is this a Law?) That's all I can think of at the moment. So it is now that we look for these laws and validate them. I also wonder if the laws of physics are also the laws of Creation. Adrian. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2006 |
Check out these 2 articles on the creational laws: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php?title=The_Laws_and_Directives_of_Creation http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php?title=Spiritual_Development In addition to this compare the true 12 Creative Commandments to the false 10 Christian-Biblical Commandments: 12 True Creative Commandments 1. You shall have no powers and gods, idols and saints other than Creation. 2. You shall keep holy the name of Creation and not abuse this name. 3. You shall make every day into a day of celebration and keep it holy (control it). 4. You shall not break your bond with Creation, including this: You shall not commit adultery. 5. You shall honour Creation just as you honour, respect and love your father and mother. 6. You shall not kill in depravity. 7. You shall not rob and expropriate. 8. You shall not bear false witness against the truth, Creation and life. 9. You shall never, never speak an untruth. 10. You shall not greedily covet material wealth and your neighbour's possessions. 11. Do not curse the truth. 12. Never, never put Creation's commandments and Creation's laws into unworthy cults. 10 False Christian-Biblical Commandments 1. You shall have no other gods before me 2. You shall not make for yourself an idol 3. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God 4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy 5. Honour your father and mother 6. You shall not murder 7. You shall not commit adultery 8. You shall not steal 9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour 10. You shall not covet your neighbour's house/wife You can clearly see that: * Creation was replaced by God and the Sabbath (Sundays) * The human being was no longer encouraged to control or celebrate existence * The human being was no longer encouraged to abandon the accumulation of material wealth (just told not covet the neighbours possessions) * Cursing the truth suddenly became ok and unworthy cults fine. Its therefore no wonder that economic materialism is a major problem on our world today. So-called consumerism has for a long time been generally accepted in our societies excepting of course within communist societies such as China, Vietnam and Cuba. To me the true Creative Commandments are also more acceptable by my own psyche and are neutral, universal and therefore are balanced. Christian Frehner also wrote of these: To observe these Creative commandments is the duty of every knowledgeable and responsible human being, because in this way alone, peace and harmony may be achieved and secured in the long term among all people and with the whole of nature. From the media, it is apparent to myself that there is currently a breakdown in society occurring within the UK (which is the country that I live in) and it now becoming more common. But beyond the media it is logically occurring everywhere on our planet. * Children are being killed by their own parents (very recently in the news in the UK, 3 incidents reported within the last 2 months) * Children are being sexually abused by their own parents (Austria recently) * Material wealth is more important than true love of oneself and ones relatives, friends and neighbours (recent UK news, husband murders wife to claim her life insurance) * Children are killing children because of differences in appearance or even just for fun * etc It is clear that the world's children need to be made aware of these commandments during their education. I would say by the age of 11 they should be taught the 12 creative commandments. I will certainly teach mine when they get that old. I imagine but do not know that there is much greater breakdown of society in countries like Brazil and India where there is great poverty or am I incorrect? We are all aware, are we not, of China's previous rejection of newborn baby girls. What else can be said of the Creative Commandments? James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 210 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings to All, In Peace, James, the article of your reference is illuminating: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php? title=The_Laws_and_Directives_of_Creation To quote ="The law of love is the most fundamental of all creational laws and this law also embodies the ground law for you Earth humans. Who therefore does not practice universal love to all offends against a directive of the order and against a law of the determination." This 'Law of Love' is the key to growth, the key to true evolution of the Spirit. All else proceeds from Love. If you find Love in Nature, you will find Nature has Love for you. "The human must feel that nature calls to his breast." When you have Love for ALL your fellow Human Beings, you will find Creations Spirit looking back to you. Then from them, all your fellow travelers upon this Earth, gain the true understanding that we are all, indeed, projections of Creation Spirit, expressed as different aspects of the One. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings In Peace, From an essay on Quantum Resonance...: >As stated by Joseph Campbell, "One of our problems today is that we are not well acquainted with the literature of the spirit. Were interested in the news of the day and the problems of the hour. "It used to be that the university campus was a kind of hermetically sealed-off area where the news of the day did not impinge upon your attention to the inner life and to the magnificent human heritage we have in our great tradition Plato, Confucius, the Buddha, Goethe, and others who speak of the eternal values that have to do with the centering of our lives. "When you get to be older, and the concerns of the day have all been attended to, and you turn to the inner life well, if you dont know where it is or what it is, youll be sorry. "We have today to learn to get back into accord with the wisdom of nature and realize again our brotherhood [sic] with the animals and with the water and the sea. To say that the divinity informs the world and all things is condemned as pantheism. But pantheism is a misleading word. The idea is trans-theological. It is of an indefinable, inconceivable mystery the source and end and supporting ground of all life and being."< This excerpt is found by following the links to the Essays of Matt C. Keener at this website: http://www.xmission.com/~mkeener/ Quantum Resonance is an exposition on the Unity of Consciousness. Keener provides this definition...: >The quantum resonance is a paradigm of essential aspects inherent in experience (or existence). It is a theory of life; in some sense, it is also a theory of everything. Quantum resonance theory provides some explanation for questions that remain mysterious within more conventional paradigms, such as the origin of life, consciousness, the observable laws of probability, and the nature of subjective experience."< Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1480 Registered: 12-1999 |
Adrian, Please do a search for the Kyballion, here is a link to start with: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3693.html#POST12870 Regards Scott | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi all, I think to correctly understand the Creational laws and commandments one needs the correct thoughts and impulses which Billy outlines in his writings. gaiaguys had a one page excerpt from Billy's book die Art zu leben on their site that explained to get your own house in order first it was very good I wished I had archived this one. If you can find this one read it, this peice helped me to understand that it is the individuals (that change themselves as indivuduals) that can make a difference.  and was a small peice of the massive amount of information available in this book that took over a year to write, I also think that to fully understand the inner world of the human beings connection to Creation, and to know knowledge, love, freedom, peace, wisdom, and harmony (Wissen, Liebe, Frieden, Weisheit und Harmonie) one could learn German just a little bit a day and over a couple of years be able to read the books like die Art zu leben, Dekalog, and everything else, join a study group if wanted or perhaps be better able to relay information to our children if we desired however im still learning German and have a long way to go. The media can also inspire fear, I personally block it out by no TV (which took me some time to do) to try and eliminate the overhanging thoughts out of my life from the people that don't study Billys writings. Granted I read a few things here and there from the media or a science journal to stay grounded (like someone mentioned they read Dianetics) but overall I think it is important that to begin learning the laws and commandments of Creation and remembering our connection to the Creational, that a study is needed of Billy's writings, and as we slowly gain a personal connection to the Creational, that the outside world (polotics, militarism, religion etc) starts to seem so backwards and the further one changes themself as an individual and reads more of Billy's writings, they can begin to understand themself and the laws of Creation congruently and put them into practice into their daily life. that article was a good read, im going to have to read more about the bi-polarity of life in the article and that was also a good link to the Kyballion, something I knew very little about. Corey harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings to All, In Peace, In advancement of knowledge of the Creation, we must start from where we are now. There are 'laws' promulgated from observation, experiments, and experience. These 'laws' are sub-divided into sets according to specific disciplines. One such discipline is known as 'science', which includes sub-sets such as physics, biology, nature, astrophysics, sociology, and so-on. Each sub-set discipline includes the further sub-sets of specialization, as physics includes nuclear physics, engineering, optics, electronics, and so-on. ALL these 'laws' are incomplete, in as much as they are subject to change depending on newer discoveries, experiments, or observations. We Human Beings stand at the mid-point between the microcosmic and the macrocosmic. As our knowledge of Creation expands, we find the greater Laws of Creation, classified as immutable and true for all life-forms, also INCLUDES all sub-sets of the known natural Laws. To learn the Creational Laws, then, we must learn all we can of the Creation itself. The knowledge that each of our own Spirits IS an aspect of Creation, we can begin from this connectedness to bring ourselves into greater alignment with Creation during this life-time. Simply put, work to bring the greater light of Creation to manifest in each of our lives. Share the light and knowledge where it may 'take-root', and the Human family will grow. Salome Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU? J_rod7 | ||
Waid New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2008 |
For everyone to understand here's why I love everyone The Creator that created everything The universes the galaxies the planets the stars after creating all of these did not feel satisfied IT felt that ITS creation was INCOMPLETE until IT creates YOU and I mean YOU! who are reading this So who am I not to love you? how dare I not to see your splendor? and no matter how blind I am in this lower plane of existence why can't I feel YOUR vastness? YOU are the JEWELS of Creation YOU are the ICING on the cake without YOU all of Creation would have been in vain Everytime I look up IAM flabergasted by what I see and yet, it is NOTHING compare to what YOU are For that reason alone my friend it is quite easy for me to LOVE YOU! Blessing to all, waid | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 302 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Waid, Welcome to the FIGU Forums. Your insights are beautifully expressed. Remember to count yourself among the JEWELS of Creation, as you truly are. Salome Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens J_rod7 | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2008 |
to waid, very touching post if you like that sort of thing... definitely true regarding the point of your post... the creation did create us to evolve itself, although, it is much of shame that our ego is far surpassed compared to our will to understand and love our fellow human beings... Salome Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral-positive spirit consciousness... | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2008 |
Greeting to all dear FIGU members, Tonight, I wanted to share with all of you, my thoughts; and hopefully get some feedback from anyone interested. We all agree that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; an undeniable creational law. It goes without saying that expansion and contraction are both pertinent to the above law, meaning, if there is an expansion in a balanced environment, there should be an equal and opposite contraction. Therefore, as we evolve by expanding our consciousness, we can not help but to equally and oppositely retreat by contracting back to our origin, being the mighty Creation; a delicate proof of what Meier has been claiming all along by my simple observation of one of the laws of physics. (This can, in fact be considered as a scientific confirmation of the creational theory for us earth humans, I might even need to copy write this .; Just kidding!!!) To me, this IS indeed one of the greatest secret of evolution, going back to where we all came from, each time a bit superior compare to the last. One can envision each of us as one cell of the physical body of this Absolute Creation. The vaster we expand our horizon, the faster we travel back to our source. We then have to conclude that Creation IS the ultimate and absolute balance, don't we? Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 353 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Zhila {Creational}, I think that You are on the right Path in Your Thinking. There is one Aspect in Your Statement, which seems to be "reversed". Where You say...: > "...contracting back to our origin, being the mighty Creation..." <, We do,in actuality, continue to EXPAND towards the re-unification with Creation. This is the result of Our Continuous Spiritual Evolution. By this, Creation also Expands and Evolves, as We ADD the total Sum of all acquired Knowledge, Wisdom, and Life's Experience that is gained through all the Lifetimes of all Life-forms (Spirit, Consciousness, Intelligences) from all Universes. It is the MATERIAL Universes which undergo the Contraction, after the Expansion phases, and then the Energy from the Material is also returned back to Creation. Please give due Consideration to these Thoughts from Semjase...: ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ 13. Therefore it is very important to know as much as possible about the essence of Creation and to bring it into experience, therewith the word would be more meaningful, raised up internally and would leave behind an impression as soon as is it taken in hand. 51. Patience and endurance and the development of higher understanding, recognition and engagement of the cosmic and universal love, deepening of the spiritual and consciousness knowledge and ability, as well as the shutting-out of material-intellectual thought powers, like egoism, materialism, pride, envy, greed and jealousy and so forth, are thereby of decisive significance, because only this guarantees the recognition and obedience to the creational laws. 52. The spiritually thinking human constantly works to guide Creation to himself and to make it recognisable in himself, on the way to attempting to make possible that which is impossible for normal people - and indeed with success. 53. Day after day, month after month and year after year the human who is devoted to the spirit calls on the Creational and thereby gains in knowledge, wisdom, love, logic, truth and power, until he finally experiences the Creational in himself, and may get the full useful value of it, whereby it would be more real to him that the feelings of his body. ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ 13. Darum ist es sehr wichtig, soviel wie nur möglich über das Wesen der Schöpfung zu wissen und in Erfahrung zu bringen, damit das Wort bedeutungsvoll wird, innerlich emporhebt und einen Eindruck hinterlässt, sobald es vernommen wird. 51. Geduld und Ausdauer und die Entwicklung höheren Verstehens, Erkennung und Anwendung der kosmischen und universellen Liebe, Vertiefung des geistigen und bewusstseinsmässigen Wissens und Könnens sowie die Ausschaltung materiell-intellektueller Denkpotenzen wie Egoismus, Materialismus, Stolz, Neid, Gier und Eifersucht usw. sind dabei von ausschlaggebender Bedeutung, denn nur dies gewährleistet die Erkennung und Befolgung der schöpferischen Gesetze. 52. Der geistdenkende Mensch ist dauernd darum bemüht, die Schöpfung auf sich zu lenken und sie in sich erkennbar zu machen, dies auf dem Wege, dass er das für normale Menschen Unmögliche möglich zu machen versucht - und zwar mit Erfolg 53. Tag um Tag, Monat um Monat und Jahr um Jahr ruft der dem Geist zugetane Mensch das Schöpferische an und gewinnt dadurch an Wissen, Weisheit, Liebe, Logik, Wahrheit und Kraft, bis er schliesslich das Schöpferische in sich erfährt und es auszuwerten vermag, wodurch es ihm wirklicher wird als das Fühlen seines Körpers. ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ This is from Contact #18, a dialogue between Semjase and Billy, And Found at this web address...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_018 Keep On Keeping On, Your Logic will bring You into Greater Light. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear J rod 7, Thank you for your feedback. In you post you said; There is one Aspect in Your Statement, which seems to be "reversed". Where You say...: > "...contracting back to our origin, being the mighty Creation..." <, We do,in actuality, continue to EXPAND towards the re-unification with Creation. This is the result of Our Continuous Spiritual Evolution. By this, Creation also Expands and Evolves, as We ADD the total Sum of all acquired Knowledge, Wisdom, and Life's Experience that is gained through all the Lifetimes of all Life-forms (Spirit, Consciousness, Intelligences) from all Universes. It is the MATERIAL Universes which undergo the Contraction, after the Expansion phases, and then the Energy from the Material is also returned back to Creation. You then asked me to consider Billys contact # 18. Thank you for you advises. There is nothing in your post that differs from my general understanding of the teachings so far, except for the fact that I think you are merely analyzing things on the spiritual level, not the physical one. What I was basically referring to, however, was the tangible aspect of things being in total synchronization with the spiritual or non-tangible aspect; the natural laws pertaining to our physical being and how they are beautifully in concert with these wonderful lessons. One of the basic laws of physics that governs our physical dimension as I mentioned in my post is; for every action, there is a reaction. This expansion, by law, has to be antagonized by a contraction or else, BALANCE is lost. Every spiritual teaching directs our attention to observing these laws. Our physical contraction, retreat or recoil takes us back to our origin which is a never ending ocean of knowledge incomprehensible at our level of consciousness. We are expanding the intangible knowledge but thats when we join the Creation and our physical bodies cease to exist. I hope I have clarified my position and I would love to have any feedback concerning this. Mat peace be upon us, Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 443 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Zhila, I've read your last post clarifying your insights of the spiritual/material balance to J=rod7. Something to contemplate on as a model of this Creational Truth, would be the out of balance condition of our materialistic evolution on the use of technology, contrasted against the low level of growth people accomplish in spirituality. Our world struggles to gain a stability over the human condition that deals with its powerful desire to control others. High technological societies have destroyed themselves before on our planet. That would be an example of an out of balance system of the spiritual/material condition. Billy's describes the cycle of the Material Universe as the exhale and inhale of the life giving breath we each must do to exist. There is a speaker that explains the story of Billy, even though an unauthorized source, and describes what Billy taught him about how the Universe experiences its balance in the expanding and contracting cycle. You can find it very easy on Utube with a search for Randy Winters. Be careful in viewing this material, as Mr Winters has allowed for his own adaptation of the teachings to muddy the truth in some areas. Still, he explains fundamentals of the model of our Universe in an easy to understood form. Hopefully It may add a little more information to what you seek. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2008 |
Could somebody tell me how the plejarens claim to have been brought into their awareness of evolution and the laws of creation? we have this knowledge because they have passed it onto us, but where did they receive it from? It seems to me that at some point creation itself would have had to make its laws known to its creations in order for them to be passed on. Are these purely instinctive as is love, compassion,etc. other than the fact that these laws and the teaching of evolution surely resonate in tune with our own sense of reason and logic, is there any historical evidence of the authenticity of these teachings? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2008 |
From one friend in America to another friend in America, Dear Shawn, What you wrote in your post sums up my present thoughts in a nutshell. The out of balance condition of our duo beings, (material and spiritual) is indeed the disease that humanity suffers from at this point in time. This can be compared to patients suffering from some sort of respiratory condition, affecting their normal BREATING; the balanced inhale/exhale that is supposed to harmonize the body and create homeostasis; a mind and body peace if you will. As someone who studied both mathematical and biological science, the most difficult part of solving any problem is to find the source of the crisis. Now that the ailment is diagnosed, the treatment shouldnt be that difficult. Meier is giving us the means of treatment, what is left is a universal Patient education that is up to every single one of us. I am familiar with Mr. Winters representations, however, I thank you for the information, as I need all I can get being fairly new to this. The amount of information provided by and for BEAM is so tremendous that a life time of research may not be enough. Salome Zhila, The inevitable evolution facilitates our retreat back to our source, the mighty Creation. Let us then praise this absolute foundation called Creation and be a part of this universal evolution or be extinct as a species. After all, it is up to us. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 445 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, It is my understanding, that Creation begins its newest form with all its spiritual levels containing the proper knowledge, wisdom, Spiritual Laws, Spiritforms etc., required for a Creation to begin its creational evolution. The guidance needed for the lower dimensions to begin evolving is in place at the onset of the material belts formation. Each Spiritual level has Spiritforms, or SpiritBeings, created to be able to send/pulse its knowledge/wisdom/etc into the levels it exists over. The Plejaren have explained they receive their Creational and Spiritual knowledge from, A) other more advanced races, B) The High Council(a name they created for our understanding), which members exist in a half-physical and half-spiritual human state of being. C) Through the discoveries and hard work of their own spiritual leaders D) From their involvement with the spirit that enlivens the prophets through the ages. The High Council help guide the Plejaren Federation with their non-binding advice. They are transitioning/evolving into the Arahat Athersata (AA) spiritual level and can be understood to be semi-transparent in its form. You ask this question, Pathfinder--- "other than the fact that these laws and the teaching of evolution surely resonate in tune with our own sense of reason and logic, is there any historical evidence of the authenticity of these teachings?"--- This answer you must figure out for yourself, as it should be. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks Kingman, Actually edward has responded to me in another forum and helped me realize that of course the Ps are handing down what they receive from hgigher up the ladder, which for some reason was just not clicking into my head while i thought on the matter. Just a mental block! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 482 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaiawingz, The translation section is the wrong place for this discussion of Man's Laws(ML) and Creational Laws. I will assume you weren't meaning that I am surrendered to the acceptance of Man's flawed thinking when he creates his laws. Nothing could be further from the truth. I laid out a simple example based on what Man has done. Your example of war leaves out the statement that war is the creation of the few. A tiny group of mostly men have hoisted this archaic tool through the ages as an easy solution to their desires. The people of experience know they will never vote for more war. It's important that we both acknowledge our history comes from laws and decisions that were made by that small fraction of people at the top, and their reasoning was most often ill of nature. When you say most people believe of our warrior nature, I will agree only to a point. We are led to think like that. It starts early on when we play child games and we chose sides to compete with one another. It starts the 'us verses them' theme and continues on right into business life. The energy that is created during a challenge of sides is powerful do to a focusing effect. Sadly we use it in poorly thought out ways. Religion in many ways uses the 'us verses them' theme. Now there's some screwed up laws. The biggest mistake we make in the creating of ML's is the disregard for long term cause and effect. Here is where Man places illogical processes, selfish ideals, persuasive business influences, flat out bribery, etc., as formative properties in creating this chaos we call ML. Look at nuclear energy with the absurd thinking we are OK with the rules we apply to allow its existence. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 03-2008 |
Pathfinder, Hi again, "Actually edward has responded to me in another forum and helped me realize that of course the Ps are handing down what they receive from hgigher up the ladder, which for some reason was just not clicking into my head while i thought on the matter." I thought Plejaren don't get involve in the evolution process of any species. Ours is a "special" case which they say that we are related to their lineage and "felt" responsible to give us the knowledge about spirit and life needed to evolve in harmony. Adrian. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 03-2008 |
So....what else you guys can say about Creational Laws and Commandments...cuz actually I am a bit confused. Love---why is this a law? And what the law states? On what is it based? It is "given" to us like that but who's going to believe all this without some kind of supporting evidence(since we're in the 21st century, you know, just saying)? From what little I read about it, as Billy said, this universal love all comes down to a deeper understanding about life, universe and Creation/Spirit. It is not love as a material emotion, which can change instantly into hate. Therefore it's not LOVE anymore, it's just understanding life....isn't it? Adrian. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2008 |
Adrian, Have you never been in love? Are you unaware of the innermost spiritual affect it has on the psyche? Love is far more than a simple emotion when it can actually cause physical symptoms. When something is created it is not hated. I think that the purest character of love has something to do with the appreciation of creation over what it had created. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2008 |
Well Adrian , let's break it down a little . I'll speak to common understanding of everyone in plain talk . Love , as I see it , is equal to respect , which is , logically , a neutral observance of all things living to do no harm , not interfere or ignore if another being is in trouble . Of course , it's more than that . It is the natural inclination of those living things that neutrally observe , not interfere , and not ignore if others are in trouble to attract rather than repel , others , in the course of a lifetime , for various reasons , whether it be to coexist in various stages , or to learn and build with one another . Love isn't limited to beings ; love can be observed in nature or at an atomic level . It's some variations of atomic structures that cause trouble because they behave differently than those atoms that build universes ; there are black holes and other things that I will never poke a litmus paper into , so I'll leave that to someone else who can explain with their understanding , and believe me , they are here . Bringing together in harmony ( tandem , unison , parallel , cooperation , completion , complementary )or ripping, tearing apart , exploding , destroying . The concept of Love and not-so-much-love . Love is not simply a human emotion concept , but the force of Creation that started everything ( or nothing) to spark into something , and get it moving . Excuse me while I have a brain-ache . | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 08-2002 |
It is definitely love from my experience Adrian. I am sorry to hear that this is confusing for you but if you continue to search for knowledge and experience creation further I believe you will gain the wisdom to understand one day. Here is an excerpt regarding creation/love from the spirit teachings: # A human is a human only if he has recognized truth, knowledge and wisdom, even if he never used the word Creation, because wisdom is also love in its best form. # Thus, the human always finds that enlightenment and recognition are knowledge and also wisdom and love, and where love rules, there rules wisdom, too. # Love and wisdom belong together, because Creation and Its laws are love and wisdom at the same time. # Where there is wisdom and knowledge, there is love and cognition, and where there is cognition and love, there is Creation. # Growth within love and wisdom teach the human to recognize Creation. *pureharmony* | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 03-2008 |
Pathfinder, "Are you unaware of the innermost spiritual affect it has on the psyche?" No, I am unaware. Where did you find this information? Adrian. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 03-2008 |
Guys, By the way, my question was why is love a law? Not that I don't understand what is love. Adrian. | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2009 |
Hi guys The best thing tonight I read about creation was that, if you feel fear honour Creation as you think about it, and of its unimaginable power or strength. You don't have to visualise it, but it looks like steam just before it turns to vapour almost invisible and can penitrate anything . Try using it when you are in fear , it really works,  | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 768 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Jonas, When you meet your fear of Death head-on, any other fears evaporate. Please read how this worked for me at this post...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/9395.html#POST35730 My experience with the Wildcat is the relevent section, you may find some interest in the whole posted story. Forum Section: "How YOU Found out About Billy Meier?" In Peace *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2009 |
Thanks J_rod7 Creational wrote a bit of a thesis on reactions due to creations effects and the material body and relating it to the laws of physics? Don't get me wrong but this is my take on it: There are the laws of creation,but creation does not follow any laws, especially the laws of physics. Creation is an energy/spirit of very fine matter( but I doubt very much we have equipment on earth to measure it or detect it) It is a form with properties beyond our imaginations or to the extent of our perception. A pinhead sized amount of creation is in our head, powers the human bodies functions for about (on average) 60-90 years and then returns to learn in another human to power his functions and does this for possibly millions of years. Imagine putting creation in your gas tank of your car? You can't because there would be infinate outcomes and not one human mind could describe one. To put creation in a theory from knowledge gained in a university or even a collective whole of all universities in the world even with technologies hidden from government sectors as a result of the greatest human minds that have ever lived findings. Its like being told the truth by two people and then measuring them. We will never really know creation trying to find it or find out what it is because we are it. The hard part is being conscience of the now like nature, not conscience of the past or the future which most worry about. But unfortunately how we are structured we are or have to be conscience about the past and future which involves material possesions even friends for they can be possesions themselves. You see the free radical spiritual writings most of us do in the forums has been done at certain times when the tasks of day to day life can be restrained giving our minds access to the concentrated creational entity that resides in it. Then its back to the evils of some horrible web( the banking system maritime law, the banks own our human bodies refer: Jorden Maxwell) that some life form has constructed to almost steal our creational force off us but has only succeded in putting it out of our reach. Thats my take on it. If anyone thinks what I wrote is nuts please leave your feed back but be nice. cheers | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Salome Jonas, Greetings to All in Peace You have expressed some profound insights. To know that the Creation is continuing towards perfection through all our individual life experiences, gives to all of us a deep sense of obligation, and, for each one, a singular Honor. The more we learn, it seems, the less we know. It is the LIVING by the Truth of Creation that we come to REALLY know. There comes a point for each of us, by learning and living by the Laws and Truth of Creation, an electrifying moment of clarity. In this moment, all that was Theory before passes into KNOWING. From this point on, from Knowing, all we gain going forward adds to the power of the Spirit which we truly are, that light which comes from Creation. The light of Creation within compels in our cycles of reincarnation to a thirst for more life in Creation, for greater knowledge, for further Evolution towards perfection in our own being. There is an endless growth in Wisdom, Love, and Knowledge yet ahead for us, until we merge again with Creation itself. The Laws of Creation both Encompass and include all the natural laws. Our Science continues to find Spiritual Truths within the laws of Physics, Chemistry, Genetics, and in every other field of study. There will come true 'breakthroughs' in Science knowledge, when the Spiritual Truths are in BALANCE with the knowledge of the material manifestations, from the Microcosmic to the Macrocosmic. In the language of the Lakota Sioux: = HANTA YO = meaning: = FORWARD GO = In Peace ... Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 435 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jonas, Creation *is* physics. To detect it... see the stars at night and you've detected it... as it is in everything. To have doubts indicates the need towards a direction of more understanding, more knowledge, more wisdom. It is my understanding Creation is worthy of our utmost worship and respect. As humans we are working along with and towards perfection whereas animals are evolving in a minimalist way only as necessary towards natures' needs and not obliged towards perfection as humans. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rarena, Worship Creation? 4. We pray neither to Creation nor to any other entities or things. Prayers are only directed on an equal level to the spirit and Creation -- but not in worship. Creation neither seeks being prayed to nor does it require prayers, although invocations may be directed toward Creation should a person so desire. Such an invocation must never be performed in a worshipful manner, for Creation does not require worship in a religious-cultlike manner. The individual, however, is free to honor and respect Creation in a prayerlike form. If a prayer is performed, it is not to be executed in a submissive manner but in a way that indicates respect or certitude. This also applies when a prayer is directed to one's own spirit, which, of course, is a fragment of Creation. A prayer must never be executed in a pleading or submissive manner but with certitude and free from any servility. One must be conscious always of one's own responsibility toward one's own self and toward others in every aspect of life. Source: http://us.figu.org/portal/AboutFIGU/FIGUinaNutshell/tabid/65/default.aspx | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rarena, Here's a detailed description by Billy from FIGU Special Bulletin 45 about Creation and worship. http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_sonder_bulletin_45.pdf?download See page 20. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Schantz, Very pleased to meet you. Thank you for pointing out my error in wording... utmost respect, high esteem, veneration and high regard might have been a better choice or words rather than worship. Veneration meaning honour rather than religous respect as it says in my dictionary by my side... eh eh... English... Sheesh... Let my error be a lesson to those translators , interpretors and those learning German as a second language like myself... how important it is to either read German correctly (forgetting English) and to translate correctly because the word Anbetung (Worship) has about ten incorrect English translations that mean nothing of what I was attempting to impart. And yes my original learning came from the book 49 Questions don't remember the page number. Have not read the all the Geisteslehre until I've read all the Semjase Contact Books (I'm still on book two)... Some of the German words in the OM are very old and even my huge home dictionary does not have the correct translation as Billy has given in your question to him... Again thank you for the "right on" correction it is greatly appreciated... I do not mind being made an example of if it teaches others the importance of correct interpretation and translation... Prayer is another word with many meanings. Meditation may be a better word instead. These are the German words I would have used if a bit more thought had been given: Ehrerweisung: honour Hochschätzung: high regard... Hochachtung: great respect/high esteem Also, thank you for the precise references, they were very helpful for my continued learning... Salome, RArena | ||
Proud2bmyself New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2009 |
Hi everyone i am new here but I have been following billy meier's work for a while trying to learn all this knowledge and put it into wisdom, but I have few a questions. Does anyone have a basic outline of the laws of Creation that billy has mentioned? Also I read some contact report before and it mentioned even though the frauds are liars and so on, they do have some truth in their discussions, so in that respect I was wandering, if say with George green and James Gilliland, they talk about the laws of creation and name them as: 1. The law of attraction 2. The law of focused intent 3. The law of Allowance and 4. The law of balance, So my question for that is are those real laws? and Does Billy Meier ever mention those anywhere? I look forward to reading everyones reply because i still have alot to learn and I want to make sure I am living by the true Laws of Creation! Thank You and Saalome! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1745 Registered: 12-1999 |
I would be careful regarding things stated by George Green and James Gilliland. If you do a search for the word Kybalion, you may find some very good information regarding the Laws of Creation. Regards Scott | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 338 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi i would say that at least the law of attraction is a real law (one attracts or repels persons, things and situations according to what you think, wish, feel, etc.) I dont know who was the first person to write about that law in modern times, but something like 100 years ago there was a guy called William Walker Atkinson who wrote much about the powers of the mind and how to use them, etc. Some even say that he wrote the Kybalion. take care | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 814 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi Proud2Bmyself, (could you reveal your real name, please), First to say: Welcome to the Forum. As Scott has suggested, the research and study you do for yourself, will give you the greatest reward in accomplishment. There is book by the title The Kybalion by Three Initiates which would be a valuable addition to any library, available from Amazon.com. Scott suggested a Keyword search for Kybalion, good advice, it's free here. Jacob, posting as username: Phaethonsfire, gives an excellent multi-part analysis of the seven Principles from the Kybalion. Find HIS postings among all the other references, and you'll be in business. If my memory still serves, these posts were back in 2003 or 2004. Be it known for you (and for anyone) we will give directions - maps - clues for resources to explore. Quite often, we will discuss aspects of the teachings in a sort of "roundtable" of members discoveries, experiences, thoughts, in respect to the teachings. All of this is meant to arrive to Truth, growth in knowledge, to help one another along the individual paths of Spiritual Evolution. In this light, I give you these clear maps...: On the Laws and Directives of Creation, from Arahat Athersata as given to Billy. Translated from German to English by Dyson and Vivienne of GaiaGuys. Click this link...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/LawsandDirectives.htm The Twelve Commandments for all Humans in Material life, As given from the Petale, are found here...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/TwelveCommandments.htm Then is the EXPLANATION FROM SEMJASE ON UNDERSTANDING THE TERM CREATION (EXCERPT FROM CONTACT 18). This section had been left out of the book by Wendelle Stevens. He had a religious "conflict-of-interest" from this material, so didn't publish in the volumes of Contact From the Pleiades. So this may be new for you, and also new for some others here on the Forum. Explanation and Truth given from Semjase to Billy...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/meierv1p150-157.htm C'mon back in when you want to engage in discussion on any point. Good to have you on-board with us. Truth must come Before Peace Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2008 |
Welcome P2BM , there is much to read here . Please take advantage of the wealth of previous topics , and have fun as well as increase your understanding . Cheers , Mark | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 06-2008 |
Scott. Regarding your post 1745. Many thanks for this lead. Quite a body of writing Cheers. | ||
Proud2bmyself New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2009 |
Thanks Scott, Memo00, J_rod7, Markcampbell, and Ramirez for all your replies! Oh and my real name is Brandon btw. The links helped me out a lot. I also noticed billy meier said in the Silent revolution of truth to just observe nature like a flower or an animal and you can understand the laws that way. Does anybody know exactly what he means?? I have been trying to observe without using any of my previous knowledge of what i have learned like in school, so my observations will be unbiased. Like one of the questions i will ask myself while observing is, "What do they do differently than humans do by following the laws?" And I will contemplate that for a while but I still dont know if im doing it correctly?? any ideas will help?? Saalome Brandon | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 343 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Brandon all animals and plants act according to the laws of creation at every single moment, and the result of this is beauty, harmony, peace, freedom and love (unity of one with all). By observing things in nature you can learn many important things about the right way of living. Iīll put an example: animals do not kill each other unless it is absolutely necessary (to survive), animals commonly have "leaders" that are stronger than the rest, in nature the smarter, stronger and more adaptable specimens are the ones who the females prefer for procreation, animals never attack any other being without a reason, animals become sick and act strange when they live in an unnatural enviroment, the life of every insect, plant, bird, etc. its tied with the life of all the other beings, trees, mountains, rivers, etc, If one is affected or becomes extinct then there will be an effect in everything else... And so everywhere you look you can find valuable teachings, be it a little plant growing through small cracks in the concrete "telling" you that struggle is good and one must always do his best no matter what are the conditions, or little ants in your backyard showing you the value of team work and how many can achieve what is absolutely impossible for a single being. . . | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1385 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Brandon... Your comment: "What do they do differently than humans do by following the laws?" Well, they utilize their Perceptive Senses somewhat differently than we humans do. If you study the FIGU materials more, you will come to understand that the animals are in possession of - Instinct(ive) - perception seances, and we humans are in possession of our - Intuition - perception senses. The animals, can act quite sufficiently in times of need, where as we humans can not always react in such manner. So, their Instinctive reactions or even - reflex - reactions, are quite precise and effective. As to us humans, we tend to let our Intuitive reactions react quite slowly, at times, thus...are somewhat slow in our reflexes. AND, we still can THINK, to accomplish, to generated a quite swift reaction, to a situation. So, as you can notice, we humans are in possession of our Intuition and our Thinking mechanisms, to help us out in our daily life encounters, situations, etc. Just a couple of weeks ago, I was watching television and their was this funny cartoon concerning Man and Animals! And the question was: "What would the Man/human do and What....would the Animal/bird do?" Well, the man/pilot in the plane could see the bird a coming, very fast at his plane, and thus had to react to the coming situation. And in the cartoon, you could see him Thinking, and analyse the situation, and than finally make a decision to know what to do. His decision was to make a dive with the plane. So, his finally decision was generated through his Thinking process with help from his Intuition senses. The Bird, you can see a coming and flying at a very fast pace. We view the bird, flying very happy in the air, and then, he was confronted with the airplane coming his way! But, the bird just kept on flying towards the airplane, and at the last moment, you could see the bird's Instinct mechanism take over...and the bird just flew/went upward, as effect..through the utilization of his Instinctive perceptive senses. So, the bird did not have any such aspects as a Thinking process in making the - reaction/reflex - he conducted. His Natural Creational mechanism of Instinct resolved the situation for him, and had full confidence in it, which made him not collide with the airplane. I think, the just above mentioned example would give you more precise clarification of HOW the Animal Instinct Perceptions mechanism works and that of the human Thinking/Intuition Perception mechanism. I just though, the cartoon would fit in well with this post, and to your question. So, as you can notice, they are both still....acting in accordance to the Creational Laws, but still each having their own set of utilities to utilize in certain situations. Animals, also are in possession of their Magnetic Perception Senses/Mechanism, which is also Instinctive related(; it be indirect). They do not have to Thinking to reach their destiny, in this case, when wanting to migrate or move about; as we humans are also in possession of this quality, as I understand it to be...but have lost our utilization sense of this property...due to our wandering of the path of TRUE Creational manifestation. Thus, Thank Creation: Creation, gave us the property/ability to THINK! If we had not this quality in Man: MAN, What a mess...it would be..... [Good to have a Lifesaver second perception sense/mechanism, a long side (of our Intuition)!] Edward. | ||
Proud2bmyself New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2009 |
Thanks Edward and memo00 that makes a lot of sense and I have been forming a garden lately and it has 6 rows so far and im forming 2 more rows but i have a variety of vegetables and its great feeling of doing that type of work and knowing that eventually I will have my own food provided for me and my family and save money. but I can't wait to see them start growing and being able to observe and learn a few things lol. thanks for the tips! Sallome! | ||
Dev Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2009 |
Hi Brandon, Some beautiful advice has been given to you on observing nature to know the laws of creation. I got to do that myself! I have a similar process but perhaps more scientific, but it has really helped me come to many realizations. Start observing things around you and categorizing them according to their properties. You will realise there are three major categories: SUBJECTIVE OBJECTIVE SUBJECTIVE-OBJECTIVE Start to place every phenomenon you observe into the right category. Then you will begin to notice relationships form that will give you major realizations. For example, suppose you are afraid of spiders and believe spiders to be "scary" if you analyse your fear and place it into the correct categories as follows: SUBJECTIVE Fear OBJECTIVE Spider You will note that the phenomenon fear is different from the phenomenon of the spider. You will then realise that the spider is not actually "scary" but you have associated fear with the spider. The spider is in fact a neutral object. Now you realise that you can break this association and the spider will cease being scary. This is a very effective method to overcome any fear. Of course in real life breaking associations is eaiser said than done. I find by using this method I can gain very clear insights into my observable world. The more I observe, the more clearer the world becomes. I used this exact same method to prove to myself that the body and the spirit are not the same, and therefore the destruction of the body does not entail the destruction of the spirit. Thus one creational law I discover from this is the immutability of the spirit. | ||
Bianca Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2009 |
In reference to the latest publication of the TJ, pg:43, verse: 25-26: Jacob, could you please explain the importance of fasting for the body and the consciousness? Fasting for the body i can understand but what could happen as a result of no food/vital nutrients being supplied to the brain? [personally i cant go without food for i would faint] Many people may do it as a temporary cleansing exercise but then they go back to their old habits and the old cycle continues. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 520 Registered: 01-2004 |
Bianca, I will check your question out and I will try to get an answer as soon as possible. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 860 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** BonJour Bianca, While we all await the answer from Jacob, Let my own experiences shed some light for you. In the Fasting, you will still need to take in plenty of water, however much, and more, as you may feel the need. This will keep you well Hydrated, keep your brain ( and Mind ) refreshed, and flush toxins out of your body. Get yourself out into a natural setting (in the forest, on a lonely beach, to the desert, wherever - away from the disturbance of any other people; (a forest in a deep canyon would be my choice - cuts off radio frequencies too)). Provide for the necessary comforts of your body, so your mind will be free. The purpose is to allow your self to become open to the possibilities of connection: an integration of body, mind and Spirit. This would be likened to the "Vision Quest" of my own ancestors, the People of the Lakes. Go forth in Strength, submit all your fears to the Fires, be open to your inner voice. In Peace ... Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 521 Registered: 01-2004 |
J_rod7, It is very good that you share your own experiences about this. I really encourage others to participate in this discussion. Every bit of information could be useful after careful consideration and thought. Just my opinion about some words you used: body, mind and spirit. It's better to use body, psyche and consciousness (material consciousness); its the correct terminology. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1396 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Bianca and All..... If I may pitch in a few coins..... Well, I always fasted... to clear my (Material)Consciousness, as well as Cleansing my Body from the Toxic elements I had obtained from throughout the week, even though...I do eat healthy, but there are always elements which should be Neutralized, so to speak(; only required: water consumption); after fasting I seem to be quite more Alert and Awake...very in Focus. Can experience my environment much more Clearly, once again; and Consciously at work. We have to keep in mind(memory, thought), that our Body as well as our Psyche and (Material)Consciousness..need the needed maintenance....but in the Fasting format, if you will. A bit of proper - after care -, if you like. And if done correctly...One would achieve just as I have experienced. Keep in mind(memory, thought), that our Body is a very special creation...within her creation, and does deserve the proper Care and Attention. And if this is applied (correctly), we have much more easier access 'ability' into our daily life and our Evolution, growth: it be Materially or/as well as Spiritually. TJ, 9-17: ;.....Fasting serves only the health of the body and the growth of the consciousness. Edward. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 522 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hi Bianca, It is not very important, but beneficial. Mainly for the body, but also for the material consciousness if the time of the fasting is used to ponder one's own situation and is avoiding stress situations. It's not really a field in which I am knowledgeable. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Dev Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2009 |
Hey, I was thinking about what was said earlier about finding out the creational laws by observing nature and animals etc. An example was given of observing animals, and from that we can discover creational laws like there is always a leader of a pack. I have been thinking, is it not too literal to interpret creational laws from animals, as humans are different from animals. In the same vain creation as pure spirit is different from the human. So can we actually generalise laws of the natural and animal world to creation itself? Is that not logically invalid. In fact, hierarchy cannot be a creational law, because creation is not a dual thing, but it is infinite and one. There cannot be any division in the infinite and the one. Hierarchy only applies to the dual world, and hence to space and time, which is just an intuition of the mind to organize the world into a sensible image. So I think we should be careful of being too literal in generalizaing to creation from the particulars in the world. But this leads us back to the old question: How then do we know about the laws of creation? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 889 Registered: 10-2007 |
~***~ Hi Dev, Greetings to you and to All in Peace, There is and are deeper levels of Nature which teach us the Laws of Creation. The animals behaviors are only one small aspect. There are the "Times and Seasons," the CYCLES in the living and dying, the coming forth and the passing away, Summer and Fall pass into the stillness of Winter and the great re-birth in the Spring. These are examples in the Microcosm of the Natural World which hint of the greater cycles in the Macrocosm. The great Wheel of the Stars passing in majesty, slowly, almost imperceptibly, an even greater cycle. All these, when we contemplate them in fullness, are a whisper to our consciousness. These tell us that we are embedded within a greater Life Spirit. We are one with THIS, and THAT is also THIS, for we are not separate from THAT. If then all around us shows in endless cycles, so then are we all. Peace ~***~ You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1402 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dev.... Good point you bring up! Your main question: But this leads us back to the old question: How then do we know about the laws of creation? Well, in the state the Human as well as Animal finds itself, is WITHIN....the Creational Laws of manifestation: STILL....Within the Framework Of Creational Law(s). And I agree with you: we should Distinct the Actions and Handlings Distinctions of the both mentioned. But they do align commonly. In our Material world an animal group will always have a Leader of the pack, so to speak. Like-wise, this is the case with Humans! Take a look around you: Politicians leading their country fellowman, etc. So, Humans also need a Leader of the pack! [And in the Future to come, we humans of Earth, will also need the aide of TRUE Spiritual individuals to lead us in our existence; as now, is the case with the Plejarans, on their home planet: to further Expand their/our Creational Spirituality. So, we are always...."Looking up to someone", so to speak.] Thus, the just above mentioned is just a Logical event of manifestation within the Animal World as well as Human society....and STILL NATURAL within the framework of Creation Laws...and values. In short: "Act Natural"....and you are acting within the framework of the Natural Creational Force, which is still within the framework of Creational Law. [Which than, leads to TRUE Creational Spirituality...through our daily experiences...; which applies to Animals as well as Humans!!] Edward. | ||
Tachyon Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 09-2008 |
Animals strive for the ultimate instinct. Or, what to do at all times, given any situation that arises. Its possible that animals will 'recognize' the leader of the pack, or the 'strongest' of the pack, which makes him the leader. For that one animal that is the leader of the pack, it is striving to prove itself right til the last day. As for the specific animals that are following, it is likely a learning process. One day, that animal could very well be the leader of the pack. In one life time or another. That's how I'd like to think about it. I mean you can observe creational laws like that. Afterall, wouldn't instinct itself be a creational law? Ben, | ||
Dev Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2009 |
Thanks for your explanations guys, Jrod, I can definitely agree with the observation of natural cycles and make one aware of the absolute substratum. In order to do so we must become aware of the gross cycles and the subtle cycles underlying the gross. Edward, I am still not sure I agree that hierarchy is a creational law and that there should be a leader of a pack. In principle I agree that we should look up to something, but why must that something be outside of you, when that something could be the being within you? If there is anybody one should rever and follow is the being within, not people and not things. Otherwise it becomes idol worship. In my opinion you are taking the observation of the animal kingdom too literally. The first observation only alerts us to the gross aspect of phenomenon. As Jrod says, the observation of the lower level cycles makes us aware of the larger cycles and the ultimate cycle within which all subsists. Likewise, observing hierarchy in the animal kingdom, alerts us that in creation there is always a centre around which all things revolve. The leader of a animal or human pack cannot be the ultimate centre, for they are revolving around another centre. In this case the sun. That too is not the centre, because that is revolving around the central galactic sun and so on so forth. Eventually, we realise the centre of the entire universe is being itself. I am reminded of Aquinas's and Scotus's arguments on analogical being vs univocity of being. If we take the immanent as the same as creation, we are at risk of anthromorphising being, and in doing so we reduce being to creator god and another thing. On the other hand, if instead we say that the immanent is in the likeliness of the transcendent, then we acknowledge the continuity of the immanent and transcendent, but also recognise the qualitative difference. Just like humans are like animals, but not the same as animals. In truth I do not think either one of us should look up to anybody else, other than being itself. We are sovereign, independent, divine beings and all leaders in our own right. If there is anyone we should bow to is creation itself. Hierarchy is just an intuition of the mind to make the world sensible and practical. It has its place of course, in society we need our teachers, manufacturers, traders and labourer simply to make society work, but this does not mean that existentially a labourer is less than a teacher, it means that everybody has a role to play in the world. Making too literal observations from nature can be dangerous. In the animal kingdom the leader of the pack is also the most aggressive and violent, under whose subjugation the entire pack lives. There is also constant competition going on between members of the pack and the leader. It is a culture of violence. Most human socities have been modelled on this. So nature in her most visible form is not our best teacher, but on the contrary the inspiration behind evil. As Hitler once said, "Nature is cruel, therefore we are entitled to be cruel" | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 892 Registered: 10-2007 |
:::*::: A short story. A true experience observing the cycles of Life and Death Many years ago, near the end of Summer, I went out onto the small patio of the house where I was then living, sat down in a lawn chair. There began an exodus of flying ants, dozens and dozens jumping up out of the ground all around me, moving their colonies (I suppose). Then there appeared a large group of Dragon-flies (Flying Dragons, Darting-Needles). These came through the flying ants with their wings flashing iridescent blue-green-violet, biting the ants in mid-air, a quick snack. Pieces of the ants falling back to the ground, as the Flying Dragons continued the "carnage" again and again. All this in my line-of-sight all around me and above my head. Then there came many birds, Yellow-Breasts, Red-Tops, Blue-Wings, Black-Birds, and Grackles. These swooped in again and again to grab a Dragon-fly out of the air. Up into the trees go the birds to swallow their lunch, then come back for more. All this was a truly amazing sight and experience. To see great numbers of Flying Ants come up from the ground 4 or 5 feet, to be met by the large group of Dragon-Flies from 3 up to 10 feet, with those in turn to be met by the birds from 6 up to 15 feet. This went on for nearly an hour. Cycles of life and death. Cycles of Hopes and Dreams turned to lunch to feed another species, then another species following them to sustain their own lives. One day observing nature in her work, worth more than a year in any school. You really must get yourself OUT THERE. Every day can bring a new surprise, a different way to feed your mind. Peace :::*::: You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 595 Registered: 07-2004 |
In the animal kingdom, we observe the leader of a group/species guiding and teaching the younger members. The leader is the leader due to its ability to move and react in a natural and instinctual way that best supports its species. The species as a whole is guaranteed a better chance of evolving and thriving if led by truly qualified members. In the world of humans, we are better served if we are guided in the many areas of living our lives by the knowledge, logic, wisdom, etc., that is based on Creational Laws. This can best be served by our true spiritually wise leaders. It's obvious to myself that Billy Meier is of that nature and already is a great teacher to those who will listen. So it can be seen, if you agree with the simple examples I have offered, we can apply what we observe in nature to our human lives. The so called leaders we currently endure are by no means helping us to evolve. In nature it's hard to find true 'greed' in the animal kingdom. Yet it's in the leaders of the modern world( at least in the USA) which base their success on crushing their competition. Animals may challenge another species that vie for the same resources, but they are not conditioned to seek out their competitors and eliminate them. Nature will always correct itself eventually. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1408 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dev.... Well, it does speak for itself, that we should guide ourselves, but we live and exist in a world/reality, of Collective existence; and than, it would be logical to apply someone to look upon, as a Guiding Mechanism, if you will. So, as you can notice: it is indeed...inevitable. And an - Organized - factor would play part, also. ["From Chaos...came Organization", as they say.] Individually, We...each individual have to Evolve by him/her-self. And even with...the guidance of a 'coach', if you will, at times. And such individual will be quite sufficient in Directing the mentioned in a more Conscious manner of existing, etc. Thus, a positive mechanism: Guiding Force. And this is still within the framework Of Creational Manifestation. And has nothing to do with your mentioned - Idolizing -, what-so-ever. We only seek Guidance from such individual....and NOT Idolizing him/her as a Godhead, as is the case in Cult Religious aspects. When/if, One is Spiritually high advanced enough, One would know....what I am referring to. Billy Guides us with the Teachings he brings anew to us all, and we DO NOT Idolize him, in any shape or form. He is our Spiritual Guide to help us expand our Creational Spirituality. We do not pray to him, nor do we kiss his hand, or offer ourselves to/for him, etc...as is the case in Cult Religious Dogmas. He lets/learns us (to) Seek...Spirituality within our OWN Individual, and there can indeed, still be individuals whom One can look up to (Spiritually more advanced)...for further aspects and information to help us Expand our Creational Spirituality. And of course, there is - Violence(/Unrest) - in the mentioned, aspects. The Positive and the Negative at work to Balance Out themselves to one day, reach: Equilibrium, as intended by The Creation, to - Perfect - ourselves. This is all within - The Nature Of Nature and NATURAL -...and within the framework of The Creational Law(s); thus, nothing wrong...with such manifestation. When you study the Teachings and further materials, you will come across - Natural Barbarism - (which I think you will find interesting; best you find and study this when you get there); when you get there.....: You will know WHAT I am referring to...and WHAT is meant, within her whole of understanding, to the mentioned; and because Natural Barbarism is STILL Within the framework of Creational Law(s). But of course, we have Consequence - Cause and Effect. And from a Cause, One can Manipulate the Effect which it may have on a human being or humans; it be Soft or in a very Harsh and Aggressive fashion. To be clear: we should NOT handle in actions within Cult Religious manifestations, of: "An eye for and eye...and a tooth for a Tooth", etc...; which has NO True Creational Spirituality Value what-so-ever! It is Natural to apply it, but NOT as it should when True Creational Spirituality is brought forth, with...Common Sense, Logic and Reason; and than, to obtain a Balanced result, and where by both sides would have beneficial achievement. "Natural Barbarism" does NOT mean: that One can just bash someone's head in! Even though, it is still within the framework of Creational Law/manifestation; but, if there is a more Positive solution....within the usage of One's (own) THINKING Mechanism, than: this Mechanism SHOULD...be applied...and utilize in a most Positive fashion, again: so that both sides can benefit from the Balance(to be), if not, Neutral-Positive...out-come; which generates their/the Equilibrium....and Safeguarding the Peace and Harmony. Edward. | ||
Dev Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2009 |
Jrod, I will have to be honest. I am not inspired by the experience you recounted, rather it disturbs me. The ants are killed and consumed by the dragon flies, which in turn are killed and confused by the birds. Then by that token it is natural for something beyond us to kill us and consume us. Indeed, many justify killing each other by appealing to the killing in nature. Your experience tells me nothing about creation, but tells me about nature and how nature works. It also shows me how cruel, violent and destructive nature is as a force, and how pointless is the existence of beings that populate it. It a plane of suffering, death and destruction. Instead try to see the transcendent aspect of nature, not the immanent aspect of. The transcendent aspect of nature is the spirit of nature. The nature you are seeing is inert, nothing but a play of matter, it has no spirit. Observing nature as just facticity will not reveal the laws of creation, but only the laws of nature. Kingman, I believe you are anthromorphisising the animal kingdom. You are using the human concept of student-teacher and generalising it to the leader-pack, but this cannot be tenable. The leader-pack is a relationship of survival violence and struggle. On the other hand the student-teacher relationship is a relationship of knowledge, humility and education. It is in the latter that you see manifest the laws of spirit, not in the former. The former is characterized by the absence of spirit. Again I will caution one must be careful of making nature their teacher, and those who do such as the likes of Darwin to Dennet, end up divesting life of spirit and that then becomes a source of evil. The kind of society we live in today is one based on materialist modes of living, and the inspiration behind this has been nature herself. Hence, onnce again I insist: Nature is not our best teacher. It is spirit which is our best teacher, and one must learn to see the spirit in everything and be careful of not mistaking the spirit for nature. I respect Billy Meier as a spiritual teacher like many others that have come before him, but not as a leader. The only true leader is spirit itself and that spirit is our being itself, and therefore we are self-sovereign, divine and free and should not look up to anybody else. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 897 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** SO = "When/if, One is Spiritually high advanced enough, One would know....what I am referring to." - Mr. Ed Any one read between the lines here? YUP, You got it. Speaks for itself. 'Nuff said ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 598 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Dev, When you characterized what I described as being, "anthromorphisising"(besides this not being a word), you miss the point entirely. Simply put, if we have good examples to study, we have a greater chance of living as a human is best suited. Like an animal that has a good leader to observe, that is sharp instinctually, it stands a better chance of living as the animal is best suited. Animals do evolve, and can learn I wasn't applying human traits to animals. I was pointing to the advantage of having a proper example to learn from. Naturally, if an animal has a proper leader/guide, this is considered good. Naturally, if a human has a proper leader/guide, this is considered good. I made this very simple. Hopefully I'm not completely missing what we are actually discussing here. As far as your saying there is no spirit in animals, sure, no human spirit, but animals have a type of spirit of their own. And I think that your placing to much emphasis on the word, 'leader'. Our world operates with leadership. It is necessary that a form of leadership be present for progress and evolution to occur. A bus without a driver would be untenable. A bus driver is not greater than the passengers, they just know how to drive the bus, thus everyone can arrive further down the road, together. By observing the bus driver, we can glean knowledge to maybe someday drive the bus ourselves. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 599 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Rod, Yes I see it too! Edward is being inaccurate when he wrote, "When/if, One is Spiritually high advanced enough, One would know....what I am referring to.". It should read- "When/if. one is advanced spiritually, one would know....what I am referring to." No need to read between lines when it's right there in the open. What is the sekrit you eluded to that awaits me if I do this, reading between the lines? Is there a code embedded in his words? But, I did think that it was a slightly long for a post. Edward, you have been thought of as a long poster. I don't mean this to be mean, if you know what I mean. Ok, I'm mean. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2009 |
Very very effective !!! But ... Ouch !!! We are not one, but as One ... First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2009 |
Addendum: And with just a little nudge ..., "At this moment in time!" We still have a long way to go! First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 899 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi Dev, You stated: "I am not inspired by the experience you recounted, rather it disturbs me." GOOD, glad to find you have SOME reaction. This should give you some insight to your own psychology, your own method for observation, how your own perception effects your thinking, philosophy, and Spiritual growth. This IS the point: Nature operates on completely Neutral Laws of Creation. How do we perceive the workings of the Natural- Neutral Laws? Our perception is a product of conditioned biases. Therefore, to understand the Laws of Creation within the activities of Nature, we must also observe from a neutral perception, neither attached to any outcome, nor emotionally involved with results or consequences. These are LEARNING EXPERIENCES, and the are always present all around us. Spend time in Nature with a clear mind and open eyes. Even the mundane, the fall of the leaf, a drowned earthworm, the smell of the soil, the sound of water over rocks, every movement in every moment, these are all opportunities to learn. Rarely, you might encounter whole levels of meaning occur simultaneously. That was my point in the experience with the Flying Ants, Dragonflies, and Birds. One hour's worth in 63-years of life, observing the Natural Order. Those which involve our own participation are of a greater magnitude of importance for personal growth, understanding, elucidation, and Spiritual Evolution. Consider interpersonal relationships from this perception. From this, you may appreciate the NEUTRAL-POSITIVE STATE OF BEING. Hi Shawn, I don't mean to be mean either (maybe just a "little?"). Let me fill in that "thought between-the-lines":  If / Whenever YOU are as highly spiritually advanced as I am, then YOU would know what I'm talking about. --- See the huge EGO, which is SO much ahead of everyone else in spirit, knowledge and wisdom. That One has all the Truth locked up: "so 'newbies,' you'd better listen up, 'cause I know-it-all."  Keep seeing that much too often. Very tedious. Personally, this seem distasteful, arrogant, and offensive. To re-gain to my own Neutral-Positive Being, it's best just to ignore everything that One writes. Sometimes, though, that nonsense jumps right up in the face. Someone who ACTUALLY KNOWS the Truth of the Spiritual Teachings, would not present themselves this way, especially among a group of peers who already know better. 'Nuff said. YUP.  Ya'll may return to your previously recorded program.  Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 313 Registered: 06-2006 |
Understanding what Creational Law is/means from the perspective of the Spiritual Teachings from Ur times and from Jmmanuel etc., can be gleaned from reading the books presented by Figu, some moreso than others. However, as many are not in a position to do that at this time, what one must resort to is other people's summaries and interpretations. Luckily, for all of us, Jacob provided invaluable information which is still available in the archives of this forum. Others too have contributed, and I do recall providing this link on an other occasion maybe a couple of years ago, to the transcript (with graphics) of a lecture Dietmar Rothe gave at a UFO Congress, not too many years ago. Here is the link again. http://web.archive.org/web/20060513101420/www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel1.htm I think that in this lecture, Dietmar has provided a basic summary of the key teachings found in the TJ, and it becomes clear, that he as done all the work of bringing it all together in a nice package for us. As others have discussed at other times on this forum, there are of course other sources of info on Creational Laws, one of those being 'The Kybalion' which is also freely available on the internet. The Law of Love is considered to be an underpinning law, and understanding what it is and means, takes one a long way to understanding many more. Jacob has covered that well in the archives. Jacob also described how Konrad Lorenz, (whom I recall studying in my early days as a psych student on the topic of aggression) inadvertently whilst doing some research discovered a law to do with predicitions of past and future - something many on this forum seem to have an interest in. From this, one can see that in order to be able to predict, one needs to have a firm grasp of the spiritual creational laws that underpin the physical/material world we inhabit. What this also shows is that we are still discovering these laws, as we evolve both physically and spiritually. The discovery of one, often leads to the discovery of another. As Dietmar Rothe wrote: "The LAWS define the principles and forces governing the evolution of the universe. These Creational forces, which drive evolution, are: LIFE, CREATIVITY, LOGIC, LOVE and WISDOM." and "The physical laws that our sciences are discovering, such as the laws of physics, chemistry, biogenetics, engineering, etc. form a subset of the spiritual laws of Creation, because spirit controls the material world. Matter is the physical manifestation of a spiritual idea. And since the Creational laws are built on logic, the physical laws must also conform to logic. " He then goes on to describe 12 of those laws. in peace to you all Robyn | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2009 |
Nuff said. YUP! Nope! Common Ground --- Change! First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 902 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Robyn, THANK YOU for the link to the transcript of a lecture from Dietmar Rothe. I was not aware of that having posted anywhere. His lecture is a very succinct presentation of the Spiritual Truths and the Laws and Commandments of Creation. Most well done too, as every point is reinforced from the Talmud Jmmanuel. I have now saved a copy of this (four web-pages) to disk for reference. I suggest everyone else to save a copy of this for themselves. Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 903 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Best Greetings Bronzedesk, Intriguing comments, dripping with hidden meaning...: "But ... Ouch !!!" "We are not one, but as One ..." "Nope!" "Common Ground --- Change!" These give a sense of someone sitting up in the stands, shouting out when a score is made in the game. You are welcome to "join the game." So if you would, you may expand on your thoughts and ideas. You are a valued Spirit from Creation, as anyone else here. Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Dev Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2009 |
Dear Kingman, I still think you are being too literal. If you learn from nature, you will learn not the laws of spirit, but the laws of nature. Is that not tautology? Spirit is not manifest as strongly in nature as it is manifest in the human. It is in the human that we learn the laws of nature, not in the nature and not even in the animal, but in nature and animals spirit is lesser manifested. There is no student-teacher relationship in the animal kingdom, simply because the spirit is not manifest enough in the animal kingdom to allow such abstractions such as "student", "teacher" and "knowledge" In true humanism there is no "leader" not even the Guru claims to to be the leader. There is only spirit and our ideal is spirit. No man should bow before human idols, but only to the spirit. In the animal kingdom, there is a leader, because the animal kingdom is hierarchy based and this is why it is a culture of violence. Humans also have a hierarchy aspect, the Reptillian brain, which is the cause of hierarchal systems, discrimination, racism, social inequality etc. We are to transcend this primitive feature of our brain, and access the higher potentials. I am not anti-nature, far from it, but I do not exactly follow "Pagan" like ideals that nature should be our teacher, because I am aware that such philosophy ends up inspiring evil. Jrod, It is impossible for us to be neutral. The reason being we are historical beings, we start of in the middle of history, and thus everthing we observe is tainted by our modification of it. Thus if you observe something in its facticity you have already altered its constitution by the very act of observation. Then to jump to speculations on how your observations are universal a priori laws is further tainting your observation with baseless speculation. Again I will repeat the tautology: Observations in nature can only tell you natures laws, not the laws of spirit or creation. To know the laws of spirit or creation you need to be able to perceive the string within the string. They are not apparent, but transcedental. Don't make the same mistake as Kant who thought he could pin down the a priori laws of logic. Pinning down creation is not childs play. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1412 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn..... I understand what you mean.... Well, like Billy said: some people have just NOT been there yet. And when they get there....: they will know...(of what ever is concerned.) That is all I was saying; and which is Spiritually Evolved, related...even. Well, seeing that the English language is not my Mother Tongue, it can happen that I still have to translate uncertainties/certain things from Dutch into English. And sometimes I have some words put in the wrong context, which should be the other way around, than it was written. But, positive for you to SEE through/beyond, that. And is was as long as the questions Dev asked. So, it would fit quite appropriate in her length, I would say. But, I think I gave Dev what he was looking for. Positively, my posting(s) helped. And well: if Rod sees something 'imbedded' within the sentence, well...most of us know Rod by now! [Rod: Behave yourself... Please act like an Adult! You are only making a FOOL of YOURSELF!; have been receiving emails about YOU, so...you are being NOTICED!!! In your, Disadvantage!] Edward. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2008 |
Bickering takes two Bickses . MC | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2009 |
Verzeihen... Erwachen Sie!!! Keep it Simple and Sweet !!! KISS !!! 333 First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings Dev, on your post #16, please allow me to highlight a line from http://us.figu.org/portal/SpiritualTeachings/LifeintheSpiritualandPhysical/tabid/92/Default.aspx as ff: "It is correct insofar as every life lives off others. However, life does not murder other lives to be able to exist and to live itself. One life is integrated into another, one life helps the other, only to expire itself at a given time once its time and duty are completed." it could also be seen that the ants, the dragonflies and the birds like every creation has a reason for being. the ants to clear the remnants, the dragonflies for color, and the birds to drop the seeds in far away places. a duty among many other duties in support of every being in the same way every human being has a duty, a grander duty at that. Jun | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Edward, Shawn and All, Do you think that most people at this forum are more spiritually advanced then everyday person in the street. I was of the impression that this would be the case, is it? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 614 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Jimmy, It's not knowable, but you can guesstimate. I don't feel all that advanced. My only advantage is I now have access to the truth(IMO) and I can use this to grow, which I have. But I don't claim anything accept greater awareness. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1418 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jimmy.... NO, certainly NOT! Outside this forum there are indeed, many whom express themselves and live in accordance to the TRUE Creational Laws. [And these individuals, have not yet discovered this FIGU discussion board...; but it does not matter: it is more important that they keep on living in accordance to the TRUE Creational Laws and Directives/Recommendations, etc.; than, they will benefit humanity as well as themselves; into Positive Harmony and into Equilibrium, when possible.] We do have to keep in mind, that of course, there are a variable of Levels of individuals here, whom have Progressed...each....at their own level of Evolution, pace, etc; including their Creational Spirituality. Thus, it is very Positive of those whom live in accordance to the TRUE Creational Laws, outside this board....to manifest themselves in Good Will...for their fellowman; Humanity....in general; where ever they may be present. Edward. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 490 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Jimmy "spiritually advanced" means such person/individual gives much more credit/relevance to the non-material aspects of life, and also makes a better effort in order to progress in consciousness evolution and evolution of the intellect. Evolution, as we know it, never ceases, evolution never stops. Therefore, evolution of the intellect and evolution of the consciousness should never cease, never stop. A spiritual person will always be interested in taking his perception of the world/perception of reality as a whole to an improved, higher level. A spiritual person must permanently be 1) An incessant researcher/investigator/student in varied fields 2)a determined & hard working person. Without any of these two requirements, the presumed title/award "spiritually advanced person" immediately fades away....creation does not reward the lazy ones. By the way, to read and write in this forum does not automatically convert somebody into a spiritual advanced person. I guess he who reads and writes in this forum may be able to garner great spiritual advances, but only in the case he is honest, humble, neutral-positive, conciliatory, does not missionize, does not provoke etc etc. Its mainly a question of attitude and what you do with your life in order to improve yourself and as a consequence also improve creation. | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Edward, Shawn and Hector, Thanks for that! I think I understand now. Is it there are some spiritually advanced people here and but there also aren't some here too? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1419 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jimmy.... Yes, some are NEW to the Meier Materials, and which are not that acquainted with the Creational Teachings. And thus, whom are learning. There would be a variable of levels here, on this board. For additional insight... See: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/4199.html#POST14488 [Postnumber: 490] Edward. |
