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    Indi Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2006 |
I can't vouch for the following, but thought it was of interest. Please forgive me if it turns out to be a scam. This same source also had the story about alien DNA found, that is circulating. Over 4.5 Billion people could die from Global Warming-related causes by 2012 Hydrate hypothesis illuminates growing climate change alarm Compiled by John Stokes A recent scientific theory called the "hydrate hypothesis" says that historical global warming cycles have been caused by a feedback loop, where melting permafrost methane clathrates (also known as "hydrates") spur local global warming, leading to further melting of clathrates and bacterial growth. In other words, like western Siberia, the 400 billion tons of methane in permafrost hydrate will gradually melt, and the released methane will speed the melting. The effect of even a couple of billion tons of methane being emitted into the atmosphere each year would be catastrophic. The "hydrate hypothesis" (if validated) spells the rapid onset of runaway catastrophic global warming. In fact, you should remember this moment when you learned about this feedback loop-it is an existencial turning point in your life. By the way, the "hydrate hypothesis" is a weeks old scientific theory, and is only now being discussed by global warming scientists. I suggest you Google the term. Now that most scientists agree human activity is causing the Earth to warm, the central debate has shifted to when we will pass the tipping point and be helpless to stop the runaway Global Warming. There are enormous quantities of methane trapped in permafrost and under the oceans in ice-like structures called clathrates. The methane in Arctic permafrost clathrates is estimated at 400 billion tons. Methane is more than 20 times as strong a greenhouse gas as CO2, and the atmosphere currently contains about 3.5 billion tons of the gas. The highest temperature increase from global warming is occurring in the arctic regions-an area rich in these unstable clathrates. Simulations from the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) show that over half the permafrost will thaw by 2050, and as much as 90 percent by 2100. Peat deposits may be a comparable methane source to melting permafrost. When peat that has been frozen for thousands of years thaws, it still contains viable populations of bacteria that begin to convert the peat into methane and CO2. Western Siberia is heating up faster than anywhere else in the world, having experienced a rise of some 3C in the past 40 years. The west Siberian peat bog could hold some 70 billion tonnes of methane. Local atmospheric levels of methane on the Siberian shelf are now 25 times higher than global concentrations. By the way, warmer temperatures and longer growing seasons have caused microbial activity to increase dramatically in the soil around the world. This, in turn, means that much of the carbon long stored in the soil is now being released into the atmosphere. Releases of methane from melting oceanic clathrates have caused severe environmental impacts in the past. The methane in oceanic clathrates has been estimated at 10,000 billion tons. 55 million years ago a global warming chain reaction (probably started by volcanic activity) melted oceanic clathrates. It was one of the most rapid and extreme global warming events in geologic history. Humans appear to be capable of emitting CO2 in quantities comparable to the volcanic activity that started these chain reactions. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, burning fossil fuels releases more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes. Methane in the atmosphere does not remain long, persisting for about 10 years before being oxidized to CO2 (a greenhouse gas that lasts for hundreds of thousands of years). Chronic methane releases oxidizing into CO2 contribute as much to warming as does the transient methane concentrations. To summarize, human activity is causing the Earth to warm. Bacteria converts carbon in the soil into greenhouse gasses, and enormous quantities are trapped in unstable clathrates. As the earth continues to warm, permafrost clathrates will thaw; peat and soil microbial activity will dramatically increase; and, finally, vast oceanic clathrates will melt. This global warming chain reaction has happened in the past. Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 rose by a record amount over the past year. It is the third successive year in which they have increased sharply. Scientists are at a loss to explain why the rapid rise has taken place, but fear the trend could be the first sign of runaway global warming. Runaway Global Warming promises to literally burn-up agricultural areas into dust worldwide by 2012, causing global famine, anarchy, diseases, and war on a global scale as military powers including the U.S., Russia, and China, fight for control of the Earth's remaining resources. Over 4.5 billion people could die from Global Warming related causes by 2012, as planet Earth accelarates into a greed-driven horrific catastrophe. Bibliographic reference courtesy of Brad Arnold who has an extensive resrarch background on Global Warming. Make comments about this article in The Canadian Blog. http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01291.html Robjna | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2006 |
There was some talk on Contrails, and/or Chemtrails in here a bit up the page. My sister has a degree in metoerology, and I have asked her about chemtrails several times, and she always tells me that they are normal. If that helps anyone. I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1045 Registered: 12-1999 |
Psycloud, With all due respect to your sister in this regards, I find people (not all) who tend to hold degrees etc...will not acknowledge anything that goes against their training and education. Perhaps you might ask her, could it be possible that the secret governments are indeed involved with creating artificial clouds etc.... | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 01-2004 |
about chemtrails, i myself wondered about this, and from what i seen i agree with scotts thought, that these cemtrails create artificial clouds. i say this because on more than one occasion i looked up an seen an airplane streaking a chemtrail across the sky, 1 hour later it was a many mile wide blanket of thin cloud. i wathced during that hour as it gradually developed into that layer of wide cloud. i seen it, so nobody can tell me otherwise. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 425 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Robjna, James Lovelock (originator of the Gaia homeostasis model) contends in his most recent book, "Revenge of Gaia" that this runaway heating is already well underway. The "End Times" freaks have done well. As have their Black Shelf boys with their secrecy, and the corporate media with their complicity, because Lovelock writes that he wants nuclear power plants. Poor Gaia. :-( Salome, Dyson | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 09-2002 |
Maybe another piece of the puzzle to Billy's Atlantis information. Scientists have found that part of the Atlantic Oceans crust (a huge part) is missing. See the link. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/cu-mot030107.php Mark Syracuse, NY Mark Gilbo | ||
Javen New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi everyone, I am new here, this is my first post. I find all this information absolutely incredible and I feel really fortunate to have come across it. I have a question about our seemingly 'dark' future. So much of what Billy has been told over the years about world events has come to pass that I am a little concerned about what is coming next. In regards to that, has Billy been told where would be the smartest place to live in the coming times taking into consideration all the war and turmoil to come?? Is one country better or safer than the rest? Is there any book outlining precautions to take, etc.?? Thanks for any info or guidance, Javen | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Javen, I wouldn't be too concerned about our seemingly dark future. If you look at the questions to Billy in this regard, he gives NO specific advice. Either we aren't worth the trouble to help, or he knows nothing really bad is going to happen. He just likes to scare the sh1t out of people to get them to conform to his supposed better way of living. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 635 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Scott, "He (Billy) just likes to scare the sh1t out of people to get them to conform to his supposed better way of living." Please, Scott. This is really offensive. Is this sort of thing the sort of thing you want to see off the "skeptics corner"? Sincerely, Dyson | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 480 Registered: 06-2000 |
Oo1 ; You are either a simpleton leading a simple life or a simple person living a simpleton's folly . And yet , you have the right to post your opinion here , and so do I . My recommendation for you is to attempt at least to learn something here ; all we've seen from you are your objections against the way Billy chooses to do things . In light of all this , I can't say that I blame you too much , because there is no Geisteslehre for Dummies for you to read . Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 636 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Javen! Welcome on board! :-) Many of the FAQ's like this one are answered in various places already here, and I'd suggest that you can usually find what you seek faster with the search function, but about 3 months ago, the ET who oversees Earth said, "We must wait to see what the future now brings in this regard, whereby one can hope that the course of the US war-opposers, up to this point, is maintained and the same is done by all the other peoples of terrestrial countries, because thereby the danger of a world war is ever more diminished and so the relevant prophecies, in regard to their fulfillment, can be averted. At this time it looks good for that, whereby one can hope that it also stays that way." - Ptaah www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb33.htm & www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm Billy has said that one place is no safer than the other, but you might want to avoid the US. 74. Die in den USA wütende Feuerwalze in bezug der brennenden Wälder, die du ansprichst, entspricht tatsächlich den Aussagen der Prophetien, doch stellen sie nur einen Teil davon dar, denn in fernerer Zeit wird noch ein sehr viel schlimmeres Feuer wüten, das sich dahin quer durch die Vereinigten Staaten bewegt und auf kriegerischen Ursprung zurückführt. 74. The raging rolling fire in the USA in regard to the burning forests you have mentioned, corresponds, as a matter of fact, to the statements of the prophecies, yet they establish only a part of that there, because, in the more distant time, a still much worse fire will rage, that will move there across the United States and leads back to an origin of an act of war. www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm He does indeed give a lot of specific advice, but it's not the sort of thing that degenerate, lazy, apathetic and high-handed Earth humans ever want to hear. Salome (Peace) Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1131 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Dyson & Markc, I let Oo1 post a few times to see if his posts would be less inflammatory, but obviously this is not the case. I have already stopped a post today from him, which was a deliberate attempt to start up things. He has lost his privilege to post... Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 481 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thanks Scott . Tough questions are one thing , but this one didn't warrant even a serious response . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Mark, You may be right about Oo1, however, I'm not sure that if I were in his shoes, just "messing around" to stir emotions and I got a response like sorry we don't have "geisteslehre for dummies", I might not be motivated towards the neutral end of the spectrum let alone positive/neutral. I might even have given up the search "here". But that is hypothetical and everything happens for a reason. I happen to agree with your opinion, just not the means to an end. But back to the enviornment... Has anyone found Solar pannels cheap enough and efficient enough worth investing in?? Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Tim, If your able to solder, there are small cheap photovoltaic disks, that once connected in a series, can be grouped to form different levels of electricity. I don't have the info in front of me but I'll post again after the weekend with it if your still interested. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Kingman, I undoubtedly have a high level of interest in this topic. And, yes I can solder, I took classes in highschool and gathered some experience with various metals and working with HVAC in my fathers business which I probably gathered the most practical experience. I guess my only question is, How well do these photovoltaic disks work? Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 652 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, Photovoltaics work like MAGIC! I've got a solar powered chain saw, brushcutter, lawn mower, microwave and conventional ovens, freezer, computers, the whole bit, and when the other people in the area suffer often and accelerating power outages, we aren't even aware of it. The electricity costs NOTHING after the initial investment. The panels last forever and the batteries last for decades. (BTW, believe it or not, just last night I saw my first ever TV commercial for photovoltaic panels!) There are websites which tell you how to MAKE YOUR OWN solar cells using screen-printing. They are not as high-tech as the Powers That Be have mislead us to believe. There IS such a thing as a free lunch! Creation is GENEROUS! Truth empowers. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 12-2004 |
Excellent then! I am inspired by your experiences in solar energy, wow! This is a feasible dream of mine, I know it. Here is a little something for you guys to check out if you have not researched it yet. This company may bear some fruit come harvest time. http://www.teslamotors.com/ After reading the prophecies in And yet they fly about the commercialization of space and then comparing them to the ambitions of the founders and co-founders of Tesla Motors, to a Meier material examiner you need not think incredibly hard of the implications a company like this may have. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2007 |
Speaking about commercializing space, ever hear of Robert Bigelow? He already has an inflatable space station prototype module in orbit and is planning many more to come. He also underwrote the original Art Bell radio show. http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/out_there/genesis_I.php That electric car at $92,000 is a bit pricey. They really need to bring them down to the price of internal combustion vehicles. I recently read that the general public would only be interested in electric vehicles if they were priced $4,000-$5,000 less than conventional vehicles. But things in this regard will change for the better as oil becomes more expensive, the effects of global warming become more obvious, people become less materialistic and greedy, manufacturing scales of economies are realized... | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2007 |
And yes, I know switching to electric vehicles won't make a dent in staunching global warming, because things have already gone way too far in that regard. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 666 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys! I'm hanging out for the car designed in Melbourne that runs off compressed air. Check it out @ www.gaiaguys.net/Electricity.crisis.htm @ http://www.engineair.com.au/airmotor.htm A old mate of mine (former apprentice actually!)imported a Swiss electric car to distribute here in Australia , but was thwarted by the govt-types. He even had a big nationwide TV spot lined up on one of the big news/current events shows, and they pulled the plug on him, with no reason given, 30 minutes before air time. Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 494 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson Gees this is very closer to home and one that you never hear of. Its fantastic that something this good is actually closer to home. But I wonder why it hasn't been applied to the big motor industry, is it because of the obvious reasons or are there limitations in its application? Its very interesting Dyson cheers Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 672 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matt, (Why have you taken to signing off with my name? It's very confusing! :-)) You write, "why it hasn't been applied to the big motor industry, is it because of the obvious reasons or are there limitations in its application?" Of course not. It is a wonderful motor which can easily be scaled up hugely. A POWERFUL automobile motor which one man can easily lift! (Ever worked with compressed air tools? A tiny drill can brake your wrist.) I used to think, like many, that Big Oil (Military-Industrial Complex) was thwarting these environment-saving devices for the sake of pure greed, but - although that is a factor, of course - the REAL reason is because they are religiously (666-Freemasons (OTO), "Skull & Bones", etc.) deluded into thinking that the planet must first be destroyed (brought back to a blank slate) and THEN it can be reworked in perfect perfection by the hand of man. VERY dippy Bafath stuff, but there you go. That's why it's happening. Burning oil is just one way to do it. They think that they must bring about The End Times. They do not know that it is THEIR end times. Wait until you read the Elijah & Jeremiah "predictions" (Voraussagen) in the new TJ. You’ll see. You might want to vomit. You might want to cry. That's the unique effect they had on me. I would have translated them years ago were it not for the carrot-on-the-stick promises of them coming out in the new TJ, just around the corner, just around the corner, just around the corner, just around the corner ……………… The renewed teachings are full of warnings about the insanity and corruption of “the powerful ones” and/or “the responsible ones”. But we moronic Earthlings –intoxicated by religion -study the teachings like some sort of theoretical abstraction with no useful application to the “real world”! Very frustrating! Very deadly. It is NOT another bloody RELIGION! But it IS our true salvation, in the true sense of that word. Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 496 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson Sorry, my apologies Dyson thanks for pointing that out to save me from the future embarrasment of someone looking like an imposter. One of the quirk I seem to have subconsciously developed is that I write far slower than I think and often there would be multitude of thoughts rushing through my head at the same time my typing is frantically trying to keep apace of my thoughts flooding incessantly. I think the last signoff should have looked like - cheers Dyson Matt I think its on a few occasions I've done this unknowingly. my apologies As the for end times, I must say it's not at all a surprise given the fact that the anglo saxon liberal oligarchy's approach towards what they deem the non-white race to be subhumans must reduce their population number through eugenics, sterilization and war. In words of some eugenic proponents on third world countries 'they are eating the earth out of the ground' I wonder who these string pullers are, they must number in their thousands at the top of the pyramid. btw your post 666 coincided with this subject, how ironic that we be talking about the beast. As for further application of the airmotor, the developer must be tossing and turning in his sleep, an enormous gift to share but not allowed to share it, what a pity. I think if he is generous enough to the world, he should free source it so that other inventive people can improve on it with the stipulation of guaranteed royalty to the original inventor if it turns out financially profitable. Looks like he is already doing good business. I wonder if he thought about an electrical airmotor vehicle for the disabled or the infirm who need to get around on carts Or even airmotorised bicycle. As for the Elijah and Jeremia predictions I hope the TJ is literally just around the corner. I gave mine away to a local politician with abundance of other materials and book. I haven't heard from them ever since when I have attempted to, I mean a typical cowardly response and lack of decency to at least respond. f*** em all see ya cheers Matt | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 12-2004 |
Yes you're right "The-future" about electric vehicles not making a dent in staunching global warming. That really is not the point. It is implementing new technologies that reverse global warming and clean up pollution ALONGSIDE propulsion systems that are at least environmentally neutral. Get my drift??? Have you read the introductory book And Yet The Fly or And Still They Fly? If so I'll refresh your memory, but if not listen up to this prophecy which must be given attention: It states (title) THE CLEAN-UP OF THE ECOSPHERE "Simultaneously, once the appropriate steps are taken, the feasibility of a classless society, as well as technological-biological prerequisites, will emerge that deal with the worldwide cleanup of the polluted rivers, lakes and oceans. This praiseworthy progress will be negated, however, by an extremely negative invention in form of a biological weapon: it will wreak trmemdous havoc and induce instant aging in humans and animals (in seconds)" Reminder: a prophecies entire purpose is to alert, make aware and to avoid a negative predicted outcome. I was just watching some science developments which have finally made their way to public domain one being the weapon to stop protestors, insurgents, combatants etc. which blasts the opponent miles away with electromagnetic waves and or other various high frequencies giving an intense burn sensation which is said impossible to stay within the weapons path. My point is that this was developed decades ago because it's just been made public. We may be very close to anti-aging weapons, hint, hint (or not?) I do not understand people when they say "no this will not work" First off, explain why it won't and come up with a solution. I think if you hook up enough solar pannels on your house, lawn, shed etc, you can hook up the charging mechanism for an electric vehicle, which by the way are far more simple mechanically than the hype has made them out to be. Ask Dyson if I'm not mistaken he has a degree from back in the day in Electrical Engineering or Elec/Mech. Plus there are many other sources for electricity solar is just one I find the most easily tapped. And these efforts should be made alongside the hunt for new avenues of ecoclean-up technology. One individually does not simply solve the issue. Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Javen New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2007 |
Thanks Dyson, Very kind. I am American but I choose to live in Europe so half the battle is won  I read through most of the files here now. Great stuff, especially where Billy answers your questions. (by the way, when does that open up again?) Do any of you guys know anything about the hundreds of concentration camps they're RAPIDLY building all across the USA? It is pretty scary stuff. Some can hold up to 500,000 people! And one near Alsasa up to 2 million! Not to mention all the train cars filled with shackles for transporting criminals....Any prophecies on any of this? Here is a link.... http://www.ilturista.info/viaggi/offerta-usa%20viaggi%20it/forum/34336_CONCENTRATION-CAMPS-IN-AMERICA--3A-ARE-THEY-FOR-YOU-.html | ||
Javen New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Dyson, Can you give me a link to what you said below? "Wait until you read the Elijah & Jeremiah "predictions" (Voraussagen) in the new TJ" Thanks, Javen | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 674 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, Dear Matt, you write, “lack of decency to at least respond. f*** em all” Bad attitude, mate. Believe me, I know JUST how you feel. (We just had the highway honchos here yesterday to tell us more about the 8 lane highway coming through here and they hadn’t even read our submissions! They had a map of ecologically significant areas with them with show the good places as bad and the bad places as good!) But if you apply the teachings about taking 100% responsibility for your thoughts, life will be happier for you. But, yeah. I know just how you feel. We used to send thousands of dollars worth of stuff out, only to realize that the wolves are here as predators and the sheep are, well, sheep. The truth is taboo on Earth. Dear Tim, you write, “Ask Dyson if I'm not mistaken he has a degree from back in the day in Electrical Engineering or Elec/Mech.” You are mistaken. Aside from papers which say that I was trained (for a VERY intensive year or so, with supplemental courses, etc.) by Uncle Sam in the United States Air Force as an Air Traffic Control radar technician, I am unburdened by degrees of any kind. www.gaiaguys.net/radar.story.htm Other than that, I’m self-taught, and I did electronics from dissected junk TV sets when I was a little kid. Dear Javen, you write, “Great stuff, especially where Billy answers your questions.” ?? I’ve never asked any of Billy. You write, “Can you give me a link to what you said below? "Wait until you read the Elijah & Jeremiah "predictions" (Voraussagen) in the new TJ" All I can do for you is www.gaiaguys.net/Jmmanuel.htm , www.gaiaguys.net/talmudjmmanuel.htm & www.gaiaguys.net/voraussagen_jeremia.pdf I’m not sure if the TJ is still here: http://www.signofjonah.co.uk/lessons_14/history/history.htm I posted something about the concentration camps for US citizens (Sorry! FORMER US citizens reclassified as “enemy combatants”) a few years ago down at the bottom of www.gaiaguys.net/lies.htm I hope everybody realizes that this is not for Muslim extremists. This is for those people who are foolishly moved to actual violence against their religiously-motivated criminal overlords when the truth sinks in. The revolution of truth is not violent. It is silent, and works like a gentle but inexorable tide, which lifts all the boats. The US death camps are part of the “know – not know” psychological warfare that was practiced during the (CIA puppet) fascists’ regimes in South America in the last decades, where everybody KNEW that political dissidents were being “disappeared” en masse to be tortured and killed, but it was not openly discussed by the govt. Like the CIA’s “extraordinary renditions” and “Camp X-ray”, serving as a deterrent for others. When I lived in Stuttgart in the late 60s-early 70s I talked to as many Nazi-era people as I could about the times, and they generally said that they suspected that something was not quite right about the stories that all those people were being shipped to the east just to work on farms. But they knew what happened to those who dared speak up. The Nazi’s never lost the war, and their sting-pullers, chosen by an ancient malign genocidal maniac false-god, (“Jehovah”) are still in charge, and they call us “cattle”. I say if the shoe fits ... Did anyone see this? www.gaiaguys.net/www.gaiaguys.net/NSH24.7.05.htm They want to fix our "ENVIRONMENT" by bathing the entire planet in (our) blood. Has anyone here dealt with any quantity of blood? It does not cleanse things. It is horrible dark red sticky stuff which soils and stains things. Jehovah evidently DRANK it, and many of his (in the form of Jahbulon/Baphomet) devotees still actually do. www.gaiaguys.net/archibald07blooddrinkers.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2007 |
Tim, Was not my intention to upset you. With world population approaching 8 billion, and every Chinese and Indian wanting two cars in every garage, not to mention all the other modern “conveniences”, and with global warming past the tipping point, even if every car in the world was electric or pneumatic, it still wouldn’t make a major difference. 2/3rds of all energy is consumed in the home. The major issue is too many people consuming too much of everything. Yes, agree that technologies must be developed and implemented to reverse the effects of pollution and global warming. But TODAY, who’s gonna pay for that, who’s gonna profit from that? Where's the economic model? Primarily, the world’s population must be reduced, but there aren’t many volunteers. The Bush administration rejected the Kyoto Protocol because they are very well aware of all the facts and could see no reason to voluntarily implement restrictions and standards that would cost money and reduce their global competitiveness while producing a negligible benefit because GLOBAL WARMING IS A RUN-AWAY LOCOMOTIVE. | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2007 |
There is at least one economic model to spur investment in technologies to reverse global warming. A large portion of the world’s population is concentrated in BIG COASTAL CITIES. Once this precious land area starts being reduced by rising tides, then there will be sufficient $$$ incentives to reverse global warming, since they’re not making much new land these days. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 675 Registered: 03-2004 |
Correction: "www.gaiaguys.net/www.gaiaguys.net/NSH24.7.05.htm" (above) naturally should have been www.gaiaguys.net/NSH24.7.05.htm Sorry! It's linked from www.gaiaguys.net/gaiaguysversusOTOlist.htm Dyson | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 07-2004 |
The_Future, You state, "The Bush administration rejected the Kyoto Protocol because they are very well aware of all the facts and could see no reason to voluntarily implement restrictions and standards that would cost money and reduce their global competitiveness while producing a negligible benefit because GLOBAL WARMING IS A RUN-AWAY LOCOMOTIVE." That is the biggest backing statement in favor of the biggest, greed lusting criminals/murders this planet has ever had to deal with. Before I make any other replies to your position, what is your position? You sound like a believer of that type of thinking. Try logic based on wisdom. Not logic based on greed. So for clarity do you also agree with other Bush policies? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 677 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey, guys! The Kyoto protocols do appear to be a political smokescreen. When they first were introduced, Scientific American (of all places!) said that only (about) a 90% reduction (if my memory serves me) would do what was required. I think that Kyoto is merely rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic for political expediency. Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 497 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson I agree Dyson, it was one of those spur of the moment 'let goes' not to be taken literally, although it didn't set the right tone for others. It really does get frustrating where your yearning does not fulfill itself in reality but must remain closed off and left just inside your head. I might need to attach a release valve on my head sometime. Anyway did jehovah literally drank human blood? What was the reason for it do you know? Does blood actually contain an elixir of fine energy that boosts the life energy of the drinker? I still can't believe how anti gravity devices have not been invented by the mainstream hobby scientists. The Nazis did it starting in the 20-30s yet with all the available knowledge at our disposal, why hasn't anyone come up with it. Most books out there on this subject is merely speculative theories but contains no blueprint to build one. Sure I haven't come up with it either but there must be someone out there who knows how to. If most people had the powers of teleportation, then we wouldn't need pollution creating motor vehicles nor any other alike. But then again the spirituality required would have eliminated our insatiable materialistic lifestyle way before we even get to that point of astral travel. Nothing is for free but where have all the free energy devices gone (quantum zero point energy devices) that taps into the electron energy? Some must have fallen through the cracks of suppression and maybe out there somewhere in the guise of something else. If anyone does have an antigravity device stacked away some place, please let me know so that we can all get on with our lives. :;-)/O I thought the pollies had scraped the idea of building a highway out there, what happened? Can we all sign a petition? The environmentalists will go berserk again Or is it just a proposal? See this is problem, you got Debnam as an alternative to Iemma, I mean come on, no wonder the new south welshmen and women have voted for the devil they knew rather than the devil they didn't and look what happened Debnam packed his bags and is probably scuba diving/snorkling as his full time job. So if they do decide to build an 8 lane highway, there is nothing you can actually do about it other than protest, am I correct on this Dyson? cheers Matt | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2007 |
Before I make any other replies to your position... Your reply wasn't solicited, and if you mean to be argumentative, I won't. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matt, I dunno if Henn actually DRANK it, but he sure knew how to get it spilling. It does not have magical properties. Don't worry about the highway. We don't. www.gaiaguys.net/rta.pacifichighway.htm http://www.cheniere.org/misc/gray.htm -> food for thought. Later! Dyson | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi T_f, Thank you for responding to my post. I know this is a forum that anyone can read, and if one is a member, discussions on topics are part of being involved. Again thank you for responding to my post even though you avoided the majority of what I asked. That's ok. I just wonder how people can allow themselves to be unknowing apologists for what is clear to all who care to see that the Bush administration is corrupt and hasn't made any decision that benefited this planet. What I spend part of my day on is listening for those bits of information that are helping this regime do business as usual, and simply ask for a clarification. Argument? I sure hope you won't. I'm happy to remain civil. But I'm still pointing out what I read as a pro-Bush statement. It doesn't make you a bad person. I'm asking for what makes you conclude that reasoning when Al Gore had a strong hand in the KP, and Bill Clinton signed it. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 681 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear all, Billy says again and again that arguments (devoid of acrimony) are VITAL. Arguments are GOOD. Acrimony is BAD. Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 685 Registered: 03-2004 |
"Forceful natural changes have become unstoppable, consequently there is also a general change in the world of animals, birds, fish and the entirety of the fauna, as however also regarding the flora, because already it is all changing and is beginning to adapt to the new conditions of nature." Ptaah, November 18th, 2006 " ... we were able to now clearly determine that also diverse people at the UN read your bulletins and special bulletins, which now has resulted in authoritative people taking seriously your warnings and our conversations in regard to climatic destruction ... " Ptaah, January 15th, 2007 "WORLD leaders must urgently deal with the impact of climate change and stop it accelerating or it will be beyond the capacity of humans to cope, a new report by a United Nations body of leading scientific experts warns." Sydney Morning Herald, April 7th, 2007 We have added this news update to the bottom of www.gaiaguys.net/meier.sb33.htm | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Dyson, The link below that you have suggested doesn't show maybe you missed something? Thank you www.gaiaguys.net/meier.sb33.htm | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 698 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, Clemencio has aready been kind enough to point out my error. I did not miss anything, but I added a dot where it should not have been, and I've now corrected it, thanks. :-) Try www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb33.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 769 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... For those whom have interest in - Air Traffic Jams and their Trails - ! I took these images, which are just a couple from a large series. Practically...looks like a 'Pop art' interpretation of our daily sky. The images below are a daily ritual above the city I live in! And so for decades, Anti-Pollution groups and others have protested against such traffic JAMS in our sky, but as One can notice: with NO positive results! After 911, the flight traffic was very low due to the so-called 'Terrorist Threat', but now, some years later, our air traffic has Boosted once again! And the latest data is the our sky will now even be Soooooo Many Many MORE times Polluted, than Before 911! Any comments, always welcome..... Edward.   | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1156 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eduard, From my observations those appear to be what people are calling chemtrails, which are different than normal contrails which tend to disappear within 45 seconds or so. I know there are people who are going to insist this is normal, but I noticed from my own observation this dramatically increased around the end of 1998 and early 1999. I don't tend to be one into conspiracies etc...but this is not normal from what I can tell. When there are lots of these trails being laid down, I have noticed a strong decrease in visibility and a sort of haze in the air, which didn't use to be there.... Here are a few links: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/2044.html?987288894 http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm www.chemtrailcentral.com Regards Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 770 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott.... Many thank you's for your response. Yes, I do remember you being the 'Expert' on this... I was counting on your comment dear good friend. And yes, I guess they are truly not condense/contrails as you made very clear. They do seem to be the exact in visualization as the links you provided. There is NO doubt about it: THEY are truly as what you have mentioned all these years on this FIGU board, and informed us all very very well. The time is now 19.30 here, and it is sunny here, but filled with a thin cloud mist. Normally, at this time, One can see these trails very clearly, specially now, because it has been, for some 3 week...very sunny warm clear weather. That gave me the idea to take the series of images. And the trails DO hang around for a very very long while, as you did mentioned. I read your links, and will check it out once again, for more details. It has been a while, that I/we discussed this subject, not? Will just do some refreshing.... BTW: it was the resent NEWS input that mentioned about the BOOST of Pollution, here; I guess....they may not even have much knowledge concerning the trails, so they just interpret it was being - Airplane Pollution -, and that the EU in turn, should take steps or something; One would think...that they(NEWS) would know better? Edward. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Scott and All, Here is another website with some amazing photos of chemtrails that a friend just sent to me. http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14 I live in southern Idaho and our skies are always filled with these trails. Today it is very windy with scattered clouds(normal clouds). No sign of any trails. They seem to wait until the sky is clear and blue to do their work. It's very frustrating to see the beautiful blue sky in the morning and know that within a few hours, it will be completely covered with a haze. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1157 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Ardie, Amazing images, I still wonder if there is a connection between the chemtrails and Morgellons disease, it seems plausible. Scott | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Edward, Notice also that the patterns do not reflect normal air traffic pathways. After allowing my research to settle down, I've been able to deduce what maybe a reasonable theory of what's going on. The 'normal' pattern for spraying is the sectioning off the sky so as to create a even dispersion overall. The easiest discernible result is a blocking of the Sun's ray's. As we all know, the ozone layer is being destroyed and ultra-violet rays and other harmful elements from the Sun's radiation are now getting through. Scientist agree these elements getting through will seriously change and/or wipe out the majority of life here on Earth if it is allowed to go on unchecked. The recent disappearance of large percentages of Beehive colonies, may be connected to this radiation hitting the planet. I listened to a recent program that had a remote viewer explain why the Bee's were 'disappearing' all over the planet, not just dying, but disappearing. The bodies of the missing Bee's aren't found. Now I don't necessarily believe(bee-leave, haha!) remote viewing, but what he had to say was very convincing. The Bee's eye's perform different functions in their operation. To find it's way around,the eyes have an ability to use the Sun's polarity/effects as a beacon for positioning and locating it's hive and it's food supply. The radiation that is getting through is blinding the hive finding vision of these insects. Now I don't think that the skies are being sprayed to save the Bee's, but I sense that the Bee's are a early sign of what is coming down the pipe for our environment. The ozone hole is beginning to show the effects of what these radiations are doing to the biosphere. The secrecy surrounding the aerial spraying may have to do with the fear that the civilian population won't be able to handle the reality of our coming changes. Understandable when one realizes the sum total of all the changes that will eventually transpire. This is, in my opinion, one of the most important elements we should use to start arranging for ourselves a new coming paradigm. The worlds biological make-up will be drastically re-modelled for a completely new way of surviving. Unknowingly, the people who authorize these sprayings, are advertising the future reality to the people they mean to keep the information from. I don't wish to be a fear spreader, but the writing is now in the sky. I would gratefully like to hear that I'm am way off the mark, but I sense I'm just a little to close to being right. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1159 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Shawn, While I can't verify or conclude what the true purpose of Chemtrails is, I don't believe it is to save us from the damaging effects of ultraviolet radiation. Considering there must be some toxic effect as a result of this constant particulate matter constantly filtering down into our atmosphere, I would think getting to the root of what is causing the ozone hole would be more beneficial to society. As to the bees, who knows maybe the constant bombardment of chemtrails and the pollution in our atmosphere may be causing the bee's to die off, but that wouldn't account for their bodies not being found...but then if they couldn't find their hives, how would anyone be able to know their bodies are not being found. I have felt for a long time, that the emergence of chemtrails does not bode well for the human being, and may be part of the process of dumming us down. Nasa wants us to believe that this phenomena is completely normal and is nothing to worry about (www.carnicom.com/nasa1.htm). I also think there may be some weather modification going on, again we can only look and observe and try and establish some sort of pattern if there is one to be found. Scott | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Scott, What chemtrails does show is the mark of a desperate government/governments. These activities, as you state, "does not bode well for the human beings" show us that these responsible ones continue to believe they can fix anything with their incomplete, and sometimes ridicules knowledge of life. Whether they are stunting us or shielding us, to purposely dump loads and loads of materials into our atmosphere say's we are screwed. The stupid secret keepers do not think that disclosing the information in a urgent worldwide statement of what they are attempting would help. Allowing the rest of all the scientists to work on the problem is the only plan that would stand any chance of succeeding. Blocking the Sun's effects or culling the over-population problem, both need the highest priority. What do we get...a cheap smoggy day and probably more problems because of it. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 05-2004 |
A surprising declaration from Canada's former defence minister on the topic of global warming. Read this http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3e57926c-bfeb-4ff3-acf6-50c575ee996c Salome Eric | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2007 |
He seems like so many other people who are wanting the ET's to solve all our problems for us, like with simply the wave of the hand. I read the Philip Corso book about the technology allegedly harvested from the Roswell crash (transistor, fiber optics, etc). Was a good story but don't know if any of it is true. Did Billy ever comment on this? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 07-2004 |
That website Ardie shared is a eye-opener for sure. The satelite pics tell us that contrails are not what's happening. Normal flight patterns are completely lost in the overlaying and zig-zagging paths these flights take. I get ill reading all the different elements they find in the slime sprayed out these planes. We are being slowly eliminated. Sick... a friend in america Shawn | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 03-2004 |
Kingman and the chemtrail gang, can you guys PLEASE respond to my inquiry about how you think the people who supposedly spray these chemtrails affect ALL OF US but NOT THEMSELVES???? It just seems a little ridiculous to assume that you are seeing one thing (chemtrails supposedly) without considering some of the more obvious flaws with your theory, and it IS only a theory until you actually have PROOF otherwise, and not just circumstancial evidence. I am not saying that chemtrails absomutely do not exist, just that it seems that people will beleive something and jump to conclusions without looking at the obvious questions first. And by the way, my posts are in no way an attact on believers of this theory, nor are they meant in a hostile no-it-all spirit on my part. I just would like to know what you guys think about the obvious question above that I have now posted at least twice about with no response to the question... Thanks if someone can actually respond with a reasonable, non-combative attitude :-) | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 03-2004 |
And sorry for the HUGE number of typos in my last post in this section ;-) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 774 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott, Ardie, Shawn, Eric and Fedor.... Many Thank You's for your in-put and knowledge. And yes, very true Adrie: What a SHAME, not? That is what went in my mind all the time when observing the/that Artificial - POP ART - in the sky! Truly still a subject to ponder, about. And truly STILL needs to be made - CONSCIOUS - to the Mass! Just yesterday, a female weather commentator spoke of: 'airplane LINES'! (can you imagine!) I think she should well...Update her knowledge concerning this matter, not? Thus, as One can notice: Ignorance is Still, Overbearing! Edward. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Thomas, What makes you think that compartmentalization and untruths aren't being used on the people flying, loading, authorizing etc., these spraying operations. This is a extreme top secret operation and need to know will be a very small group. There's zero acknowledgment for this spraying. Other methods for maintaining the secret and keeping the people doing the spraying could be inoculations and/or protective measures that are used as motivators. These people who are instigating this genocide aren't normal people. They definitely do not think like any of us. They will have the knowledge of when, where, what etc. That's enough to maintain a safe distance and continue their operations. I ask your same question to the ones who order up so many nuclear weapons that the planet could be destroyed. Seems just as crazy. As it is there isn't a simple answer. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2006 |
There seems to be a lot of contradictions here with this chemtrail thing. Small group but a lot of activity. Total secrecy yet, especially today, every flight is tracked in the sky. How did people find out about the secret flights used by the SOG to take terror suspects to different countries for torture? Plane spotters. Those thousands of guys world-wide that use their binoculars and get the tail numbers of all the planes that take-off and land. If this chemtrail thing is real, these guys could fill in some blanks. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks for the response Kingman. I don't have the answers obviously but one difference between the chemtrail theory and the nuclear analogy you offered is that the people in charges of the nukes aren't firing them into their own country, see what I mean? I know that it is ridiculous to fire ANY nukes but some people are stupid enough not to see it that way. With chemtrails, they obviously know that they breath the same air that they take off, land, and fly in with those planes. I just happen to think that maybe, possibly, there is a better explanation, that's all. If you are serious about this topic, why not ask Billy about it? I have other questions for him so I won't be asking about chemtrails... Thanks again for the response. It is appreciated! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 10-2005 |
It is interesting that Barium is able to attach to radioactive substances. Barium is also used by the oil industry to ease drilling. It is also good for finding large radioactive oil stores by tagging nuclear irradiated oil. Maybe 20% of oil on the Earth is irradiated in this way and therefore unusable. Not to mention toxic. As to the nukes not being fired or exploded in their own country... am in dissagreement. The world has been exploding nuclear devices (for testing purposes) statistically... one bomb every ten days for the past sixty years... and may be the direct result of problems with life on the atomic level. This does not even address all the nuclear power plants which daily create nuclear waste that has to be stored and contained somewhere. In California there is a disease called sudden oak death syndrome which may have moved from the oaks to various other plants including the palm trees in Hawaii. http://nature.berkeley.edu/comtf/Ferns, maples and other plants are also affected. The new lack of honey bees might also possibly be a direct result of this cumulative atomic radiation. Can you imagine fruit or nut production without the honey bee let alone trees? We have to preserve what nature provides otherwise it will... naturally... take care of us... If life is infinite... and it probably is... then screwing around with the atoms and particles at the nano-levels below that which are not obviously fully understood... is not very indicative of advanced intelligence... In other words; the systemic infection of plants (by radiation?) is seemingly inherent in these previously mentioned findings. If we can split the atom, why can't we put it correctly back together? At least in so far as it does not go against nature and Creation... It is probably because the basic components of the atom and particle much, much, smaller than the short sighted atomic level... are not properly known by us... | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2007 |
Thomas, the most plausible explanation for the chemtrails seems to be weather manipulation. The U.S. Air Force admitted to CNN in July 2001 that it had broken up a storm over the Atlantic using products made by a company called Dyn-O-Mat. The company's website, dynomat.com, at one time listed "environmental absorbent products" such as Dyn-O-Drought and Dyn-O-Storm. In that same year, a patent was filed outlining a "method of modifying weather." The abstract reads: "The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the cloud's ability to rain." Explanations range from chemtrails' use in military communications applications to scientific experiments designed to control the weather, thwarting global warming or relieving droughts. A scientist working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base admitted that two different secret projects have been conducted. One involved cloud creation experiments to lessen the effect of global warming. The other involved radiation reflection off clouds in conjunction with the military's High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska. The scientist claims that the two most common substances being sprayed into chemtrails are aluminum oxide and barium stearate. When you see planes flying back and forth marking parallel lines, X-patterns and grids in a clear sky, that's aluminum oxide, according to the scientist. The goal is to create an artificial sunscreen to reflect solar radiation back into space to alleviate global warming. In some cases, barium may be sprayed in a similar manner for the purpose of "high-tech 3-D radar imaging. The barium can be used for a 'wire' to shoot an electromagnetic beam through to take 3-D images of the ground far over the horizon," according to the scientist. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologist, Thomas Schlattes, writing in the November-December 2001 issue of NEXUS New Times magazine, essentially confirmed this assessment of the activities at the Dayton air base. "The barium spread in exercises conducted out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base acts as an electrolyte, enhancing conductivity of radar and radio waves," Thomas reported. "Wright-Pat has also long been deeply engaged in HAARP's electromagnetic warfare program." Ken Caldeira, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore Labs and one of the country's leading experts on weather modification, conducted the original computer modeling for the use of aluminum oxide to fight global warming. "We originally did this study to show that this program [using massive spraying for weather modification] shouldn't be done," due to negative health effects. Caldeira said there have been rumors that the Bush administration will announce geo-engineering weather modification projects. But Caldeira sees this as "political suicide." It's impossible to know which chemicals are being sprayed or for what reason since, according to the government, chemtrails don't exist. But, increasingly, government skeptics and other watchdogs are demanding to know if chemtrail spraying poses any health risks. In a NEXUS New Times article, investigative reporter William Thomas wrote, "Chemtrails can cause drought by soaking up all available moisture, and drooping chemical curtains fall through vast colonies of UV-mutated bacteria, viruses and fungi living in the upper atmosphere. Could malevolent micro-organisms be piggy-backing on the plumes?" Thomas suggests that the spraying has nothing to do with a deliberate biological attack or the inoculation of the American public. Rather, it's simply an ongoing attempt by humans to fool with Mother Nature. Regards Bob | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1161 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Thomas, Michael Horn has asked Billy directly about Chemtrails, and I have sent pictures to Billy about this. At most, I can say he didn't seem to have much to say about it. As I have thought about it later, it may be the same thinking and response he has given regarding 911, in other words we need to figure this out for ourselves. It may be too dangerous to talk openly about this, I don't know. Another idea which I think may have some merit, is that these aircraft may be remotely controlled, and the need for pilots may be non-existent. If you look at the picture I have uploaded you will see a dark line in the photo. I have seen these lines myself, and have noticed the aircraft follow these lines while emitting the line of "whatever" behind them. Possibly it is some sort of guidance beam or something to that effect. For a while, I couldn't believe all of this myself, but over time after watching the skies, I am satisfied, that what I am observing is intentional, and not just a by-product of increased civilian/military flights.  Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1163 Registered: 12-1999 |
I have also reversed the image, which also shows the beam. As you can see the contrail has blown clear of the beam, so I wouldn't think the beam is being affected by the atmosphere and is not exhaust gases from the engines.  | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks for the explanation phi-spi (Bob). I appreciate it... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks Scott! :-) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1164 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Bob, You stated "A scientist working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base admitted that two different secret projects have been conducted. One involved cloud creation experiments to lessen the effect of global warming. The other involved radiation reflection off clouds in conjunction with the military's High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska." Who may I ask is this scientist? Personally I don't buy the explanation in regards to Global Warming. Secondly, I don't believe a person entrusted with this information, would under any circumstances reveal this, for fear of reprisals. I also believe this is a secret program, which is under no circumstance made public, in my opinion. Considering the scope of clandestine operations being conducted by the CIA (Thanks to Billy) and other branches of the not so public government and groups of people, I tend to believe this form of ariel bombardment is not with our best interests in mind. Regards Scott | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hello Scott, But who benefits if all the paying customers are killed-off? You can't have an expanding, world-wide economy if you kill off all the consumers. Almost everything that's ever done in the history of mankind, that requires the expenditure of large amounts of energy and money, is done in the name of greed. The absolute last thing they want is a shrinking population base, ergo, no government or large corporation is ever calling for the only thing that will save the world: population-control. Billy was aware of the developing global warming problem over 50 years ago. The top-tier government scientists have also been aware of this problem for a long time, and kept denying it until just recently. Government = control. If they show a lack of control, the natives get restless. So it's quite possible they've been working behind the scenes, playing with fire doing their crazy experiments trying to cool down the planet. And under the cloak of secrecy they could get away with a lot of dangerous and outrageous stuff that wouldn't fly with proper oversight. Did you ever hear of the venture where an "eco-restoration" company is attempting to seed the oceans with iron? Do a websearch on Planktos. Just a few parts per billion, but that's supposed to increase the growth of plankton that in turn remove CO2 from the atmosphere. Again, playing with fire, who knows what long-term consequences will be wrought to the world's ecosystems. But at least this one's somewhat in the public domain. No one has to intentionally kill us with chemicals. Just keep growing the population base and we're killing ourselves and the planet all while some people get rich, which is all that really matters. Just my 2cents. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 03-2007 |
Scott:“Who may I ask is this scientist? Personally I don't buy the explanation in regards to Global Warming. Secondly, I don't believe a person entrusted with this information, would under any circumstances reveal this, for fear of reprisals.” It was reported by Bob Fitrakis and Fritz Chess for a local news station in Ohio, Columbus Alive (ColumbusAlive.com) who said that the scientist asked to remain anonymous saying that public disclosure of the experiments is inevitable. Could it be psyop disinformation? Sure, absolutely. In fact, I personally believe that it probably is. Anything creating symptoms like Morgellons is far more sinister. So why did I report it? Because Thomas was asking, what are the other possibilities out there. And since we’re all playing amateur detectives here we have to look at ALL the evidence. That scientist could very well have suffered reprisals and we would never know it. Regards Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 03-2007 |
The_future:“The absolute last thing they want is a shrinking population base, ergo, no government or large corporation is ever calling for the only thing that will save the world: population-control.” Actually, the power elite have concerned themselves with population control for a long time now. Just do a net search on the Rockefeller Foundation and the eugenics program that they sponsor. They are keenly aware that overpopulation is the biggest threat facing our planet. Better still, read the "Report From Iron Mountain." Some people dismiss it as a hoax. But these so called hoaxes may actually be staged attempts at getting the truth out. It reads like a blueprint for population control and the culling of a populace for the soul purpose of what the document calls "world peace." Leonard C. Lewin, a New York freelance writer, wrote the introduction "Report From Iron Mountain" and in it he explains that the report had been compiled by 15 experts known as the Special Study Group (SSG) who had been brought together by the U.S. government. Iron Mountain was allegedly a place where a think tank met in a secret underground bunker to make plans for a turbulent future. They had held periodic meetings during the next two and a half years to discuss the problems that would confront the United States if it entered into a period of permanent peace. The report documented the conclusions of the Special Study Group concerning whether peace was possible, given the economic condition of the world. The SSG decided that peace "would almost certainly not be in the best interest of stable society." War, they argued, was simply too important a part of the world economy, and therefore it was necessary to continue a state of war indefinitely. "War has provided both ancient and modern societies with a dependable system for stabilizing and controlling national economies. No alternate method of control has yet been tested in a complex modern economy that has shown itself remotely comparable in scope or effectiveness."—Report from Iron Mountain The report also pointed out that the authority of the government over the people stemmed from its ability to wage war. Therefore, without war the government might cease to exist. The Iron Mountain report basically set a precedent for genocidal population control, if peace were to go on for long period of time. The report included a number of recommendations that the government should follow just in case peace did break out. For instance, it suggested that a number of expensive institutions be created that would mimic the economic function of a war, such as: * A comprehensive social-welfare program directed toward maximum improvement of general conditions of human life. *A giant open-end space research program, aimed at unreachable targets. *A permanent, ritualized, ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system, and variant of such a system. The report also recommended that the government invent "alternate enemies." For instance, it could mobilize the population by scaring them with reports of extraterrestrial threats, massive global environmental pollution, or "an omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force." Alternatively, the population could be roused by "socially oriented blood games" done "in the manner of the Spanish Inquisition and the witch trials of other periods." The underlying agenda was to covertly orchestrate the horrors of an all out war with one particular accelerator event followed by a series of shocks in order to socially engineer fear in the populace. The shocks would be given as societal triggers strategically placed in sequence in order to maintain the illusion of war, and there would also be and introduction to an alternative of a more "satisfactory" or "desirable" death sentence including terrorism, alien invasion, famine or incurable disease. These triggers would mold a civilization into falling into a more fascist orderand guarantee the crushing of subversive thought. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2007 |
If you doubt that paranoid scenario, try this... During the defense Appropriation hearings held in 1969 there was talk of creating a stealth weapon that would attack immune systems for the soul purpose of genocide. "We can take 24 years of biological research, use 76 of our bio-warfare labs in operation, add ten million dollars on top of the 31 million dollars going into nefarious warfare research this year, and come up with the ultimate stealth weapon, a synthetic bio-agent for which no natural imunity could have been required"—from H.B. 15090, Dr. Macarthur DOD Subcommittee 1969 | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 06-2005 |
I just listened to this very interesting video clip about changing the weather in australia. .cheniere.org scroll down just under the picture and quote from G. Bush it says 'watch this video'. See what you think. I am wondering how much further will "The Powers That Be" take the australian drought? Yet I am not disregarding human created polution as being part of the equation of global warming. | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2007 |
Hello Bob, I don’t disagree with anything you said. A subtle form of eugenics is practiced every day with prenatal testing and screening, genetic counseling, birth control, etc. Not much wrong with that. But in terms of limiting population growth or reducing it to be in harmony with the planet’s natural-cycle of resource-replenishment, that hasn’t worked - if ever seriously attempted. Except in Africa, where disease, starvation, AIDS and genocide are allowed to run their course. And precisely because it’s a continent offering little value to the big players. Its inhabitants aren’t skilled and productive; they have nothing of value to trade or spend. The big players aren’t going to do the work themselves, they always need a working-class. They can’t have their game of chess without the pawns. That’s why I contend there is no serious organized effort to kill off the population. What successes have they shown to date? The world’s population is currently increasing by more than 200,000 EVERY DAY. The Exxon/Mobil, GM, IBM, Ford, GE, Boeing’s of the world will not permit it. In fact they advocate the exact opposite to feed their need for top-line (revenue) and bottom-line (profit) growth. Quarter after quarter, year after year, decade after decade. And nowadays, they’re peeing-their-pants ecstatic about new money-making opportunities with “green” ventures. With that they’ll have the best of both worlds. Make money and pollution, rape the earth with heavy-industry and production, and make even more money by selling equipment and techniques to clean up the environmental catastrophes they created. Woo-hoo! Sounds like a home-run! Keep the people coming --- at least until the androids are ready. Then we become expendible. | ||
The_future Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2007 |
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Bass_boy New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2007 |
Car runs on air. NASA recognizes technology used by MDI to make the Air Car. Evey one in Europe, and the rest of the world, should be interested in this zero emission car. The air compressor can be run by solar power. Commercial productions starts in 18 months. Link: http://www.theaircar.com In this edition, sponsored by National Instruments and SolidWorks: * Blown Away -- Prototype Car Powered by Compressed Air * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * AIR CAR Engineers at Moteur Developpment International (MDI, Luxembourg City, Luxembourg) have designed a prototype car that is powered by compressed air. The vehicle has a tubular chassis that is glued together, a fiberglass body, and uses wireless communication between its components. The engine weighs less than half that of a standard car. Ninety cubic meters of air is stored in carbon fiber tanks at high pressure. The expansion of the air stored in the tanks pushes against pistons to create movement. The car is built to integrate with external electronic systems such as voice recognition, Internet connectivity, telephone connectivity, or a GPS. A hybrid model is also under development -- gasoline would be used to run a generator to supply compressed air. It is estimated that one tank of fuel would be enough for a cross-country trip. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1189 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Another way to utilize the suns energy for generating power. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6616651.stm Scott | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 03-2007 |
How does Billy gather data and make an assessment about something such as chemtrails? The monitoring devices would have been a logical source but they were withdrawn, save for the one over the center. And it’s not likely he got the information from the Plejarens, based on the following exchange from the 251st Contact, February 3, 1995: Billy: Thanks for your efforts, I will only call you when something really important turns up. Ptaah: I would be much obliged. Furthermore, please refrain from asking questions that concern the interests of group members or other individuals. In the future the intent is that all of you are on your own; you must all determine, guide and handle everything by yourselves. Future questions will only be answered when they are closely or loosely related to interests in the Mission and those generated in some form by your own interests. Billy: What about those control discs that monitor the world – will they remain stationed around the Earth? Ptaah: All of the monitoring devices have been removed now. The only remaining one is intended for the Center. It is no larger than 7 mm in diameter and 3.2 mm in thickness. As I understand it, the chemtrail phenomenon did not begin until after this exchange took place. Does anyone know if the recent special bulletin sheds any light on his decision making? Regards Bob | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1209 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Bob, Good observation. I have never read any chemtrail books, or subscribed to any theories regarding population reduction etc..but I am at a loss to explain what I see with my own eyes. I know what "normal" contrails look like, but the other "contrails" behave entirely differently. Perhaps it is not that important and either way it doesn't seem anyone can do anything about it Regards Scott | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 192 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Bob, Regarding your comment in (The Mission » Movies, and videotapes ) “all evil forces will have to change their ways if they want to survive” It seems like your statement could be misleading, because I don’t remember any thing about evil forces not being able to survive in these times. It is as you said energies reaching earth from the central sun, which people can interpret as they choose. But in the long run people will eventually see the logic of peace and wisdom rather then evil, not like in the past ages. So after this time 2029 there will still be evil. Plus from Billy’s prophecies and predictions of the future, it seems like we will still be having a problem with evil forces. Salome, Badr | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2007 |
I understand the logic of what you are saying, Badr. But I was only trying to provide a succinct answer since the thread had already strayed off topic, as well as point to where someone can go to find the information themselves. Here is Guido's statement, more in context, to be found on page 329 from ASTF: <snip> "We are going to experience the most powerful evolutionary period ever to take place on earth. With the gradual progression of the Golden Age, the inhabitants of our planet will advance one step at a time in their overall evolution from kindergarten to high school, in a manner of speaking, and all the unruly school children unwilling to learn will be ruthlessly left behind if they do not rid themselves of degenerative habits. All evil forces must undergo a radical change if they want to survive. "To help alleviate the hard labor pains of the transition period, which will last until February 3, 2029, extraterrestrial intelligences have sporadically appeared with their spacecraft as a means of demonstrating their existence." <snip> Regards Bob | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 823 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Badr..... Yes, very well put! Indeed, the People will acquire Knowledge and Wisdom, to Understand as well as to Comprehend; as Billy did mention that even now, we are More Knowledgeable and Wise....than many many centuries ago. And the Future holds even likewise for us, but in a much more broader scale of Knowledge and Wisdom. And so the Negative manifestations will be 'Filtered out', so to speak, each time we PERFECT ourselves in our coming Future incarnations....for the Betterment of All Mankind, and for Creation. Thus, we WILL indeed...PERFECT ourselves(in-to the future) to be a much more Harmonious Human Race, and the so-called 'Evil' times will still cross our paths naturally....but of course...in a much more smaller format. And Creational Wisdom...will of course, gain the upper-hand...in our daily decision making, and not our uncontrolled impulses. Thus, here is where WISDOM...rules over impulses: THINKING over Clumsiness. Edward. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2007 |
In year 2028 good and bad forces of New Time will reach their peak. Then all will begin to change slowly for the better. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all This would sound silly; i just happened to think about it yesterday night. Yesterday night will having my dinner there was this fly flying around. It was getting annoying and finally my mother killed it with a swatter. But then later on i thought whether was it right to kill it. I know this sounds silly but just a passing thought. But i guess it isn't wrong in a way because  Cheers ashwin | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 229 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi again Ashwin, The picture you posted was taken inside the Freihof near the centre, I was staying there when I visited the centre last year, trust me if you see the number of flies in the kitchen and the dinning room you would understand why, on my first breakfast I was worried the flies would eat my food before I did. Just a joke :-) but it was pretty annoying. In my house here in Saudi the level of the floor of where my room is, is lower then the level of the garden, so a lot of bugs get through, Although I don’t like killing bugs or insects just for fun, I need to do it so they don’t make my room their home, but if its only one or two bugs then in most cases I would return them to the garden. Salome, Badr | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Badr Same here, i often "re-allocate" them to a different place. But sometimes in the process they get killed  , especially the ants. But i remember once in my grandma's house there was this mango tree and by its side there was this whole colony of ants, living deep among the roots. That would spoil the mango tree in the long run, so i remember taking a hose and flushing water down the hole. But what i wanted to know is, according to the laws of creation is it wrong in killing them; because technically they are not doing us any real harm or they are not going to kill us. Because as i undertand it is right to kill in self-defence or in need of food. Salome ashwin | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 230 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Ashwin, The law or directive of not killing except for self defense is in relation to Human beings as I understand it, and is not the same as when dealing with insects or bugs. Well in such a point I just try to see it as logic as I can, if by killing one colony of ants, it doesn’t really affect much in the long run, because there are so many, and insect or bugs are also not like animals, where they don’t need as much place for example… so as long as you don’t disturb the balance of things such as the food chain or a survival of a species, it shouldn’t be considered as something bad. But that is just my personal opinion. Salome, Badr | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 314 Registered: 04-2006 |
In the case of mosquitoes, cockroaches, flies, these are harmful or negative for us humans, they endanger our health and environment, so we have to keep our environment free from parasites, either insects or non-insects.That is in accordance with creational laws. Technology allows us (or will allow us) to do that without killing any kind of creature.Today there exist ultrasound devices, emitters which kill/expel insects inside of a certain range.I think those ultrasound waves are harmful for any kind of creatures, including humans, so that is not the solution. Technology allows plejaren homes to be 100% insect/animal free, without harming animals.Its obvious that in the future we will be able to do that too. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 343 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey guys, I just wanted to mention something about Badr's comment. The rule or law is not to kill in degeneration period. That means if you kill an insect because it is attacking you, then you are within the laws. If you kill even an insect on purpose without good reason, then you are living against the laws of Creation. I agree with Badr about using logic, but insects too have their place in Creation and are not to be killed without just cause... Have a great day everyone! -Thomas | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Badr What you have said is right indeed; but how is one to decide what will or will not disturb the balance in the long run. Because the actions of many people of which we are a part of, each makes a difference. But i think most people kill insects because they feel they are 'ugly' and do it as if it were a natural instinct. The same is true when an average (wo)man encounters a snake. Their first instinct is to kill. Much has to do with the culture one is brought up in. But i feel this tendency to kill just because the insect doesn't "look good" is wrong. Salome ashwin | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Hector In what you have said i completely agree. If i think i am right there are already some people who have developed natural or organic repellants(instead of expellants). And we all know of the technique of using certain fish species to eat away the mosquito larvae. But one important point shouldn't be forgotten. Much of this encroachment of both animals and insects is primarily due to overpopulation, for which we are all definitely guilty of. Salome ashwin | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2007 |
there are some kind of big and harmless lizards very good in eating insects An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 316 Registered: 04-2006 |
Yeah franco you mean these lizards called geckos.It seems Billy likes them too! Bedenke...Alles ist eins! (Remember/think about it....everything is a unit, everything is one)  | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 02-2006 |
How about in the case of a nest of termites that have just started to eat your wooden home. Is it right within the laws of creation to kill the whole nest even though they have not done you any pyshical harm in the sense of deseases? | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Francofiori2004 But i feel one must be careful in doing such things in large numbers because introducing large number of predators against a species may even lead to its extinction. Dear Thomas Let us take the simple case of a fly flying around in your room while you are eating your food. Then is it right or wrong in killing it? Salome ashwin | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Ashwin Billy discusses this issue in a little book called 'Direktiven'. This is only a small book, which is easily translated using one of the online translation programs if one is set up to do that. He discusses within these pages, among other things, how to deal with pests and vermin. P. 105, he talks about this relating to your body and the environment. His guidance, which I would presume would be in line with Creational law, is to be sensible when considering what to do about insects etc.... He offers that we should take sensible measures to protect ourselves from vermin and insects by firstly attending to ones personal hygiene and that of the dwelling we live in. This includes no animals inside or too close outside -- touching animals is not recommended, but if doing so, then washing ones hands afterwards. If there are still pests to attend to after the above has been complied with, then he says that they should be dealt with. One example he gives for the common house fly, which as you know can cause problems for health due to their attraction for carrion, foeces, open wounds etc........ can be dealt with by the following method: This is a rough translation but close enough to give you the message....... "Flying and similar insects should not be proceeded against with poison sprays etc. but only with electromagnetic insect killers with the fly-swat or else with the oldest approved fly fright, the flypaper. With what every fly hopelessly gets stuck and is provided with a honey coating." "Gegen Fliegen und ähnliche Insekten sollte nicht mit Giftsprays usw. vorgegangen werden, sondern nur mit elektromagnetischen Insektenkillern, mit der Fliegenklatsche oder aber mit dem altbewährtesten Fliegenschreck, dem Fliegenfänger. Dieser ist mit einer Honigbeschichtung versehen, woran jede Fliege rettungslos hängen und kleben bleibt." I don't know about where you live, but here in Australia, we have mosquitos, flys and cockroaches, that like to live in our homes and cause health issues. Eg., mosquitos here can give you various diseases -- I personally have contracted Ross River Fever from a mosquito here, which caused much strain on my life and the life of my family at the time, and so, I don't have as much difficulty swatting a mozzy anymore, if it is sucking my blood -- now that I realise what is possible. We also, in this country, tend to have fly screens on all our windows and doors -- this prevents most flys and mozzies from entering -- which is not unnecessarily killing them. I think one has to be practical. I don't think it is good to let termites eat your home, but there are alternative ways to protect homes, other than poison, and I have heard that moving the nest is possible in these cases -- very clever methods can be employed. Every time you walk outside, you are likely killing the life underfoot -- barely visible to our eyes -- we have to be sensible about it all. It is unwarranted killing of anything, without a logical reason, for the benefit of those healthwise, that does not fit with Creational Law. I live in a subtropical place where there are many many creatures -- some live inside, like spiders etc... which we allow to stay -- spiders eg., catch mozzies inside, and eat other insects as well --- and lots and lots are busilly doing their things outside -- we here don't kill things just because they are there, but try to coexist with them -- and so far, it has worked ok. We don't sit outside at mozzie feeding time -- and if we have to we use smoke coils to prevent them from coming to the area -- it doesn't kill them but keeps them away. I think you have worked out what the situation is already Ashwin - just think practically about it, and it all just becomes evident :-) And of course, there will always be those who don't think this way, and do kill things unnecessarily -- but that will change with time - I do apologise internally for accidental killing of creatures, when I notice it, no matter how small, and even ask for understanding when I have to kill one on purpose - but I don't dwell on it -- it is the way things are. in peace Robjna | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 03-2007 |
Yes i mean geckos. Many esoteric traditions see them as lucky-bearer. An amazing invention for natural health: WWW.ETERNARINGS.COM | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 344 Registered: 03-2004 |
Robyn summed up my feelings on this Sirashwin. To answer your specific question though, if there are disease carrying insects inside your home and you can't otherwise get rid of them, it is time for the fly swat or the sticky fly tape... | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thank you all for your answers, it certainly helped me a lot to get a better understanding of things. Salome ashwin | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 02-2006 |
"I think one has to be practical. I don't think it is good to let termites eat your home, but there are alternative ways to protect homes, other than poison, and I have heard that moving the nest is possible in these cases -- very clever methods can be employed." Hi Robjna, I don't know where you heard this from but I don't think it's possible to move a nest, at least not all the time or in all cases anyway. Sometimes you just have to kill the nest. My mother has a 100 acre holiday house property just outside Melbourne in country Victoria and two years ago we noticed that termites started attacking it. And twice we called in professional pest exterminators to remove (kill) the nest and both times it failed. Its still there. The exterminators couldn't find the nest, but said it is somewhere within 100 meters from the house, so its probably in the bush as its a bush block. The termites have got plenty of trees to choose from but decided to eat the timbers in the house instead. The exterminators said the only hope to save the house is to spray everywhere within that area and try and kill the nest. They said that was the only way to get rid of the nest and never mentioned anything about trying to move it. We don't want to play games and waste time trying to move it, not when our house is at stake. A different pest exterminator is going to try to get rid of the nest this weekend and we're hoping its a case of third time lucky this time because we do not want to lose the house to termites, not only because its not covered by house insurance but also because its not an old house. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Indi, Thanks for the extract. A couple of comments/questions. How does the extract from dealing with pests and vermin that says "-touching animals is not recommended, but if doing so, then washing ones hands afterwards" fit in with Billy's life as a farmer? Is he washing his hands all day long as he tends the goats, cows or whatever? Or does he feel he has a lifestyle as a farmer that "is not recommended" due to constantly touching animals? Quetzal too is a farmer who milks cows, I understand; and doesn't milking cows provide immunity against smallpox? Any clarification here? Maybe this is a question for Billy next time? Best, cpl | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 231 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello cpl, Just a little correction FIGU don’t have any cows any more, and if I remember correctly its been a long time. And don’t remember seeing any goats on my visit, what I remember seeing were chickens and a type of ostridge I don’t know what it is called. Plus to know how Billy spends his week I would advise checking the below link, that is if you are ready to do a bit of personal translation… http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/bulletin/2006/nr_48/arbeit Salome, Badr | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi firstly, I can't really comment on Billy's circumstance, however, I don't think he is out on the farm working with animals as much you might think -- being a Swiss Farmer can mean many things, and yes, Billy does live on a farm, but I kind of do as well, but there are no animals on mine other than wild ones --- all I can say would be that if he does touch animals, i am sure he would wash his hands afterwards. Billy describes house pets, dogs, cats, as being bearers of many pests and germs that can affect health of people. There is nothing so strange about that in my way of thinking -- that is common knowledge -- and it is for this reason, that he recommends that animals not be inside homes -- it is a hygiene issue -- just because many in this modern world even let their pets eat from their own plates, lick their faces, and sleep on their pillows, is asking for infection/inestation of some kind, or at the very least, asking for the body to spend a vast amount of energy dealing with it on a daily basis. Re being immune to smallpox from milking cows -- well, I think you will find that that may have been a reported thing when cows had 'cow pox' - that those exposed to the cow pox were more immune to small pox (due to its similarity) than others -- I remember studying something to that effect back in my homoeopathic student days. CPL I am surprised that you would ask these questions! It goes to show that quoting even a small amount without the accompanying text, which gives full explanations, can lead anyone to the wrong impressions I guess. in peace Robjna | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 06-2005 |
Quetzal may have cows on Erra but that does not necessarily conclude that he himself is milking them. Maybe robots do this kind of work rather than humans themselves. And from what I now know about dairy consumption I doubt they would be drinking such contaminated fluid. BTW when I spoke to Billy about Milk, he said that the practice of milk consumption is only (only?) about 8000 years old. From my very long bad health experience I came to a final conclusion that primarily because we are a Different Species to animals, we should not be consuming animal parasites/viruses etc. because these eventually cause endless diseases in our Human body. And those who benefit at both ends are the pharmaceuticals and The Powers That Be. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 03-2004 |
According to BEAM, Quetzal does milk his own cows whenever he is home. Just an FYI :-) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2007 |
Robjna: “--- all I can say would be that if he does touch animals, i am sure he would wash his hands afterwards.” Oops! I think you meant “hand”. Robjna: It is unwarranted killing of anything, without a logical reason, for the benefit of those healthwise, that does not fit with Creational Law. And as I understand it, this carries over to the plant kingdom as well, not just animals, (just to drive your point home). As Guido writes in ASTF, the Errans will not even pick flowers, "No one would ever consider uprooting even a blade of grass to take home and stick in a vase, as is customary here among us.” “The viewpoint of the entire population basically considers every plant , no matter how small, as an integral part of Creation.” Kind regards Bob | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1149 Registered: 02-2000 |
There are different rules when it come to killing a human & killing insects. You guys are cutting it close. My Website | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2007 |
Norm: "There are different rules when it come to killing a human & killing insects." No one has said otherwise. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 03-2004 |
Actually there is only ONE rule (basically speaking) about killing from which the other minor rules come, and it applies to ALL life forms equally: One shall not kill in degeneration (meaning without Creationally lawful just cause) PERIOD | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 271 Registered: 10-2005 |
Insects are valuable in their ability to help in plant pollination...  | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 06-2000 |
Insects also provide a coating on your windshield on your car against larger animals splatting up against it . Mark Campbell | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 05-2007 |
Infact speaking more of what Randy (ô¿ô) said; a few weeks ago i was seeing this program on Animal Planet called "The Private Lives of Plants" presented by Sir David Attenbourgh, it is a really good show. That day they were showcasing the very strange symbiotic bonds and partnerships between plants and insects. Salome ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 03-2007 |
Norm: “There are different rules when it come to killing a human & killing insects.” Thomas: “Actually there is only ONE rule (basically speaking) about killing from which the other minor rules come, and it applies to ALL life forms equally: One shall not kill in degeneration (meaning without Creationally lawful just cause) PERIOD This is a bit of a late response, I know, but after careful consideration I think I am ready to articulate the difference. The “directive” to not kill in depravity is the same for all life forms, as Thomas states. But the “consequences” of violating that directive is different. By that I mean the impact on the human psyche and spirit evolution. As an example, I cite the following from, “Die Art zu Leben”: “If the human damages the next human, then, first and foremost, he damages himself, because thereby one's own evolution is impeded.” I do not think that would equally hold true for insects. These are just my thoughts. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob (Moderator this might go a bit out of topic) Well if all humans would inevitably get their psyche damaged if they damage other humans; then i was wondering the case of doctors who by accident loose their patients. Would the doctor's psyche be affected too? Thanking You ashwin Ashwin, You can post in the correct area, and most likely Bob will see it, or you can post in this area asking him to check the correct area. Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 319 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hello all, Some of you may find these figures of interest or useful. The Ps warnings seem right on. It will take TWO planet Earths to sustain humans in less than 50 years. One Planet's Worth of Natural Resources Is No Longer Enough! In fact, the human race is gobbling up the earth's resources faster than ever before. The planet is quickly going into an ecological deficit. According to recent calculations from the Global Footprint Network, a foundation whose mission is monitoring the world's natural resources, our consumption of Mother Nature's offerings soared from half the planet's total capacity in 1961 to over 1.3 planet Earths in 2007! In other words, the world is consuming 30% more in natural resources than Mother Earth can pony up in a year! Think about that: It takes the planet a year to regenerate what humanity consumes in a little over nine months time. And each year it gets worse, with "Ecological Debt Day" coming earlier and earlier. From the looks of it, there's no reversing the trend: At current consumption rates, it will take TWO planet Earths to sustain humans in less than 50 years. That includes "renewable natural resources," which regenerate if they are not over-harvested. Of course, they are already being consumed at a rate exceeding their natural rate of replacement. Meaning, in effect, that even our renewable resources are becoming non-renewable. Source: Larry Edelson’s "Money and Markets" eletter@weissinc.com. “The Biggest Boom You'll Ever See!” 18 Oct 2007. cpl | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 331 Registered: 04-2006 |
Yes Cpl, Billy is right claiming that overpopulation is this humankind's biggest threat.It took me long to accept his warning as " immediate".I did not consider 2 years ago that overpopulation was an imminent threat.But i do now. It seems like in the future wars will be triggered to control the worlds limited resources, spring water, food, fossil fuels, minerals......Today we can see the clear example: Irak and its oil. So it seems inevitable that today, oct.2007, we are heading a major disaster.We are in autodestruction mode.In this forum we have a few priviledged minds who have identified the problem.We cannot reverse it without external help, but at least we do not deceive ourselves like the vast majority do. Praying with the example, more people will slowly get the idea that sustainable growth is intimately linked to population control. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1335 Registered: 12-1999 |
You know Hector we have already received external help, but to no avail...I don't know what can be done? Even in my area, people are continuing to have children for the wrong reasons...I know a woman (unmarried), who mentioned to me the other day she was pregnant...and I asked her why and her response was, because I want to have my own baby...I mentioned to her how this planet already has over 7 billion people, and she just laughed...totally unconscious in my opinion...how can you teach someone like that how critical this problem is becoming?? In addition her friends are congratulating her for her decision, so she receives positive reinforcement that she has made the right choice!! | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 332 Registered: 04-2006 |
I remember very wise words from Billy and Christian about this topic from the Q&A section: Can you tell me, what can be the maximum possible number of Earth inhabitants, before the ignorant majority of people realize the danger of overpopulation, and start to practice the birth control? Thank you, Salome, Dejan This depends on the human beings’ intelligence. If humankind doesn’t want to accept the fact that overpopulation is the principal factor of all the great ills here on this planet, it can well be that we will have a population of 10, 15 or even 20 milliard/billion people until real and effective measures are taken against this catastrophe. (Note by CF: As long as the population of all nations, including the governments, do not accept the fact that there does not exist a right to have/beget children, unless certain basic conditions are fulfilled, as long there will be no real and effective measures be taken against overpopulation, and all the big problems of our time will constantly worsen.) I may understand your point Scott, that many men and women want to have children because they "want to have them", in the worst meaning of the word -have- (possesion, private property).They do not see birth and kids as a natural process of reincarnation and endless learning, but as fulfilling a material wish, a caprice, a desire. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 02-2006 |
I'm 38, been single past 15 years and will stay that way, no kids and no intention of having any, and have Figu as being the ONLY beneficiary in my will to get my house and also get part of my mothers million dollar inheritance when I get that too after she passes away. Thats the best investment I ever made in my life for my futures benefit. (next life) | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 06-2007 |
If the good peoples stop having children the bad peoples will continue to have children any way. Those children will become the descendant of evil, a descendant that will grow-up, and with that grow-up the crime will grow-up. The overpopulation in this world is due to the degenerate sectors of the societies. Those sectors don't have control, they have 5,8, and even 10 children because the government support them. We need a program of castration, to castrate criminals. The only peoples that have right to have children are the responsive peoples that creates decent families. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Vestri, Good for you in not having any kids as your way to solving overpopulation... As to having FIGU inheriting your will... It is my understanding this may or may not help in your next life. Our future benefit is in learning from truthful knowledge in each consecutive lifetime. It is my understanding that giving money is a more materialistic device and does not really have a place in the consciousness spiritual fine matter realms. Another thing that has recently become my pleasure to learn from Deitmar Rothe and will now be passed on to you for you to ponder... is that karma, does not travel from life to life. Our knowledge and wisdom does somehow make the transition though and we will not have to relive those situations exactly, as we have correctly learned them in this life. One reason for this is that our personality dies with us and we become a differet person in our next life. (E.G. Jmmanuael and Billy carry the same spiritform yet they are different people) | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Rarena, my decision mot to have kids had nothing to do with solving our population problem. I wanted to have wife/kids when I was around 20's onwards, but after being single for so long now, I've gotten used to being single and now wouldn't want it any other way. I left everything in my will to Figu Switzerland to help them get their word out because I want the world to be in much better shape the next time I incarnate into it. Also because it is the only thing that I can do in this incarnation that could help me in my next incarnation to hear/find about Figu and Billy Meier case. Even if I had wife/kids i would still have left half of will to Figu. Unfortunetly they won't see that money for another 30-40 years. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1337 Registered: 12-1999 |
Rarena, Please read my reply to your post in the Reincarnation string. Scott | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Vestri, That is a noble thing to give to those who want world peace. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 932 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashwin..... I think this is the suited place to discuss further.... About last year, I was looking for an image but then, I came across this image, which then reminded me of what Billy mentioned in the Prophecies concerning the: Columns/Pillars Of Fire. But than, we must imagine them in greater formations; seeing that the one in the image is smaller in size. And Fire-fighters do describe such phenomenon, as an 'entity'...which almost seems to be alive, and as if, Consciously moving about; which can be frightening. And there seems to be an increase of such phenomenon, during the fires. Edward.  | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Edward, If you've ever had a chance to witness a large fire in a cold region you'll notice that small, yet tall, tornadoes are created from the temperature differences of the air and the fire. These are created one after another like a line of people. We're told that the weather will become more extreme due to man's consumptions and when a fire and heavy winds coincide, we could well experience those prophetic columns of fire. Things like fuel for the fire being plentiful and laid out in the path of the fire would also be needed for such scenarios. Drought, dry air, heavy winds are all part of the Global Warming future and make for these potential firestorms. I live in southern California and have lived through a few fires that have surrounded my city making for a strong impression on a young boy. The recent fires are good examples of columns of flames being created by elements coming together. We can be certain fire will be a major problem for our warming world. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 935 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Shawn..... Yes, you fully have the concept of how they are generated. They are indeed the so-called Tornado Columns Of Fire. Yes, have seen that they do look like Individual Entities...wandering in the sea of fire. Positive to hear that you (and your family), have survived such experiences. Please take care in the near future... Edward. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone, A while ago there was a discussion about Sports and how it could affect a human being, and Harvey has posted a new post which reminded me that I wanted to write something short about this issue. But from a point of how sports impact nature or the environment. There was a brief mention by Billy of how sport complexes affect nature in a sense that it doesn’t leave much place for nature, in Sonder Bulletin No. 16. As an example we could bring up Golf, as I remember this was mentioned in the discussion before. Now think of it this way, imagine having a forest or jungle with lots of trees and plants and rivers which can help thousands of insects and bugs and hundreds of animals to find a home or shelter.. and have it all taken down and flattened just so a few rich people can enjoy Golf, that is as far as I know as its quite a costly sport so in most cases only the rich can afford it. It obviously applies to all sports that require large spaces such as stadiums of all kinds. Therefore its is up to everyone’s own views, as for me I would rather relax and enjoy walking in a jungle or forest and see nature as it is, then to relax by playing golf. Salome, Badr |
