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    Cpl Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Alan, Why consider believing what another says, be it a fellow forum poster, shaman, or Billy? It seems you want to let Billy be your guru and decide what is true for you. There is no substitute for finding the truth oneself. That may be uncomfortable if it is not seen as an enjoyable challenge, but that's life. Believing is the way of religion, and as the Ps pointed out in Contact Notes 4, it is each person's responsibility to find out the truth for self and not depend on another, including the Ps. If Billy said something was not true, how would you KNOW that it is not true? It would merely be a belief and a belief can always turn out to be wrong, because it is chararterized as lacking knowledge. Also, to me, Billy represents the best in-the-flesh contactee on the planet, but he is only human, and ALL humans can and do err. As for Truthseeker's shaman. I have not met him so cannot comment. If I had had that pleasure and also the pleasure of sharing some experiences and dialog with him I could comment on that. Other than that there is not enough given on him to discuss. Very best regards, cpl | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey james that sounds pretty reasonable, your choice of waiting. about who those ufo occupants could possibly be, well i've also heard accounts of other e.t. races having various bases in either south america or the southern hemisphere somewhere, but i am not an expert in that field, if i'm close then it must be something i propably thought of before. "not even there"? well i dont know what to say to that, can you elaborate on that part? you mean they look like holograms etc or? i also remember hearing about some guy that's many thousands of years old, but i thought it was concluded that that was some joke or something? so what would this person be if he is geniune? if he's an e.t. then that makes the plejarens either liars or that they have once again overlooked something. is he some mutant from long ago with a long life span? seems like the possibilities are endless. hey if you see what the ufo looks like up close, could you draw a picture (or take a photo) and post it on here? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 861 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi James, I think you may be referring to Gilgamesh, which to the best of my knowledge is true. He is not immortal, but his lifespan is considerably longer than current earth people. Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Scott and Peter, Gilgamesh, yes that be the guy I'm talking about and the funny thing is, about 2 or 3 years ago I was some-what skeptical of his existence and then all of a sudden POW!, I run right into the guy, or at least someone who very much resembles him in almost every-way I can think of. And quite the story he has indeed. I only refer to him as immortal because of the thousands of years he has lived, but yes you're right, even he won't live forever. It was actually not my intention to mention him here, but since the topic of Cris Angel came up, I kind of figured it would be no big deal. But since we're now on the topic, I'd might as well relate to you some of what I know concerning his history if I understand him correctly, etc. Should you accidentally meet up with him, don't tell him I let you in on to his secret, since I still don't know absolutely for sure that he be the real Gilgamesh. Here's his story, but don't quote me on this. Let's see I think it was just over 10,000 years ago when he along with other ETs crashed here on Earth in a UFO somewhere in Tibet near the Chinese boarder where the locals referred to them as the Droppa, a name just recently rediscovered. From there he introduces a kind of "fountain of youth" to a group of local Tibetan and Chinese, and is even honoured among the emperors for his wisdom, and also founded a kind of shangrala, which lies in that part of Tibet now called Muli. From there he befriends a kind of Yeti (Enkidu) and journeys to Sumer or Sumeria where he came across the genesis tree, now no longer found here on Earth, but which to this day still remains to him as a very sacred tree. I'm not sure if he actually planted the tree or if someone else he knew did, since I have yet to ask him. Then from there I think he eventually ended up in Europe, then to Greenland, and then finally to North America where he lived in peace with the Native peoples for many more hundreds of years, where he becomes known as the dragon or phoenix, and the ancient one, or both. Note; the dragon legend was always well known in all the countries he had travelled through and like the phoenix, the dragon was also a creature of fire and likely one in the same in many cultures around the world, like when a dragon becomes resurrected within it's own ashes to immortality. Likewise the wizard always referred to himself as like a dragon phoenix who is indeed the last of his kind existing here on Earth. In recent years, he's taken quite an interest in UFO crashes and crash debris from ancient to modern days, from which he makes every attempt to collect what ever fragments or possible extra-terrestrial artifacts he can find, which may even included meteorites of a most unusual nature. I need not test the sample I have because other people have already tested similar samples. BINGO! You got it Peter. I actually was referring to a group of ET like human beings existing within subterranean lands under South America, but this group is not exactly ET anymore, because they replenish their society with human inter-breading with Incans and now even normal folk living within South America. Although they are now believed to be descendants of ancient Pleiadians who were at one time in contact with the ancient native peoples there, and where they have pretty much become their own existing well hidden micro nation. In Peru they are called "Apunians" and the X-Nazi's in Brazil supposedly went in search of these GODs of the Incas, but didn't succeed in doing so while under the influence of the Giza. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 01-2004 |
what do these south american e.t./earth group dress like? do they al have one skin colour mainly or all kinds? so if this guy really is gilgamesh, then i guess the plejarns are once again with holding info or overlooking things. does this gilgamesh (if it is him) not want to make a beamship and go back home? | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2006 |
Kiril "Alan there is no such thing as "supernatural"!! - if you wish to rebut I suggest you consider what object, property or event your referring to when you use that word - you might aswell have used " ddljifjd" or "djfdddddd" - in either of the three cases your referring to thesame thing(rather, no-thing)." Kiril, I already mentioned before what I am referring to as being terristial supernatural. Is some of this not supernatural? - James "Speaking of which, I actually got to know a certain person who presently lives in isolation way out in the desert in New Mexico who can actually do some amazing things such as reverse peoples age, make people taller or shorter, take people into portals, call down UFOs, heal, etc, etc. Last year, he even gave me a little something special and refers to me as the Peaceful Pilgrim. He's even said that he's lived for thousands of years and has shared with me some of his ancient adventures over the the eons while using different identities in many lands." James "I seem to recall Billy Meier already did mention such a person who already does in fact live in isolation somewhere around the American South near a nuclear reactor, who is in fact of an immortal nature. Kind of fits the description of my friend the wizard, so I'm not quite ready to push the issue as of yet." Wasn't Billy reffering to Gilgamesh, the 100,000 year lifespan extraterestial there who works at a nuclear power plant because he needs to drink heavy water? Cpl "Hi Alan, Why consider believing what another says, be it a fellow forum poster, shaman, or Billy? It seems you want to let Billy be your guru and decide what is true for you." Cpl, then why should anyone believe anything that Billy says at all then????? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 06-2006 |
James, It is interesting that you mentioned about the Dropas. Does Meier's notes speak anything about it, maybe we can ask him because it is clear that they were from other worlds and it is also mentioned that there existed groups of people in China before their arrival. I have read little of them. Some research say that the 'Dropas' landed 12,000 yrs ago. There are 712 discs that mention their arrival and it seems that their Beamship(?) crashed and couldn't be repaired and they stayed on Earth. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2003 |
Well I do not know if Billy ever talked about the Dropa or Droppa specifically, nor am I aware of at any time as to whether Gilgamesh, or the wizard had ever worked at any nuclear power plant. The Wizard did say that certain items he once had back in ancient China, did eventually find it's way back to him again. Also I do not know the specific time frames. As for what we classify as paranormal, we did discuss the concept that the material universe is in fact like a virtual reality hologram which we are all connected to unconsciously, which makes waking reality like a constant collective dream, which holds in place the idea of physical matter. This would mean that people still have a long ways to go before they can "Independently lucid dream" within physical waking reality without the aid of using outside sources to make this connection to reality consciously. I do not know the exact life span of Gilgamesh, nor the wizard at this time, nor when the Dropas came to Earth. I do suspect that Merlin and Gilgamesh could be the same person, but don't know yet. The wizard does not appear to have an interest in leaving this world behind him. It seems to me that the Plejarens are simply respecting Gilgamesh's privacy. I do not know what this South American group looks like other then I hear they look perfect, but as different appearances of normal people. People confuse them a lot as being Pleiadians. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2005 |
Alan this word is a product of the religious mentality that pervades nearly all cultures on this planet, in epistemological terms this is called a 'false-concept' - religious because it claims the existence of something beyond existence, beyond nature - the acceptance of such a falsity is to accept that there exists no standard for mans ideas and actions - that is, to fall into the abyss that is subjectivity(and then how is one to answer the questions - What should I do? Where am I? and How do I know it? - those questions upon which the success of your life depends). Its use in any form of human communication or thinking will lead only to confusion and conflict! The answer is NO! - because there is nothing beyond existence(I'm not referring here to material or concrete existence). Proper reference to such things include - phenomenon, effect, event - if you don't mind me suggesting. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2006 |
Kiril, I think your misunderstanding me because what I have been saying is that I don't believe in anyone being supernatural because I don't believe theres no such thing. I don't believe that Shaman can do some of those things that James said he could do (make people taller or shorter). I am aware that every spirit in the universe is the same. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Alan, "Cpl, then why should anyone believe anything that Billy says at all then?????" Exactly. Why should I believe it? I want to know. I'm not content with believing. Not "believing" doesn't mean one can't have an opinion or think something more likely than not, or that something makes sense to one. Belief is also fine IMO if one realizes its possibility of being wrong and therefore of its possibility of being modified upon finding more accurate information or knowledge -- this, of course, obviates the need for most beliefs anyway. Just believing what Billy says, because he says it, doesn't fit that category; and I think you'll find the Ps would agree that believing in that way is not desirable. Billy presents his truth and it is for others to make of that what they will through their own discernment, reason and powers of spirit within. Merely believing it just turns Billy into yet another guru and the world making yet another religion based on belief. One of the great challenges here is that there is a noticeable tendency for many to want to believe what Billy says. That's natural for humans here, because it's been the history of humanity, but we will change that beginning presently. The subject under consideration was not a matter demanding belief. Belief is required when a decision MUST or NEEDS be made and one doesn't have the facts or truth available in any form or way -- and one cannot Divine them, which, of course, most cannot. In such cases all one can go on is ones, essentially blind, belief. "I believe I can make it up this cliff face, because if I don't it's SPLATT!" This kind of belief can help manifest positive outcomes -- unless there was no need to get on the cliff face in the first place and it was entered willingly without due consideration, in which case the initial belief that one could get to the top might just be what gets one killed. When talking about an alleged shaman, casually introduced without proof, belief just is not necessary. There is no need. Why not just ask oneself whether that sounds reasonable or unreasonable, likely or unlikely, possible or impossible, etc. to oneself? Or one could just opine honestly that one doesn't know what to make of it. Kind regards, cpl | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2006 |
Cpl, I believe its fine to believe what Billy says is the truth about something because Billy won't say something about something unless he knows its the truth. On that basis i believe its fine to believe whatever Billy says is the truth about something. Also we havthe vast majorit | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 04-2006 |
I have put Billy`s prophecies,studies,statements and answers under heavy skeptical fire in the last 12 months. It is very very difficult to prove him false.Personally i think he says the truth in 80-90% of all his teachings.Then there is the other 10-20% that is always under heavy criticism,logical analysis,skepticism and refusal. Billy says it correctly.....Information,regarding the spirit lessons and many things more,has to be " digested" ,assimilated,cut into small bits,otherwise it would be simply excreted o that information would "poison" the student`s intellect. So there MUST be a skeptical part in each and anyone of us,that is responsible to try to digest or not some of the unfamiliar,unfriendly,unsuited information that Billy is presenting us.Most of earth`s population is not ready yet to digest Billy`s information. Once your skeptical side finds its way to the truth,which is verified and validated through experiences and hard research,you are legitimate to say "Billy was right". | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 177 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Alan, With Billy and the Ps having said it is not best to just believe what they say, because all humans, including them err, it is difficult to reconcile just believing -- in principle -- what they say. What do you think about not following their advice in this respect? You need not reply to me but just to yourself. Best to you, cpl | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 864 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please lets get back on the topic. | ||
Zefram Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi all. Does Billy have say something about the atlantis?, it is supposed that was a very advanced people who doesn´t learned themselves to create a harmonic society and was part of the old generation of our planet. Thanks Salome, Zefram | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 375 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, I thought I’d take a break from translating Sfath’s monolog for a few minutes to share this weird one with you. A old friend of ours is a retired archeologist named Lesley Maynard, who specializes in Australian Aboriginal “stones and bones” and spent quite a while in the Outback admiring the prehistoric rock art. Last week she sent a couple of representations of a couple “that aren’t in any books.” Don’t you just love the way science tosses out the distant data points, like 75 foot tall bipeds engraved thousands of years ago by the local historians? These were “nearer Marble Bar than anything on the maps.” The three creatures attacking whateverthehellitis are dingoes. Here’s another one in the same series, this time with it’s background context also depicted. www.gaiaguys.net/rockart.marblebar1.jpg I just wanted to save these images somewhere. Someday I’ll hide them in our site somewhere. Cheers! Dyson  | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 361 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Could he really be the budda incarnate? How do they know? http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C23599%2C20974789-1702%2C00.html Cheers Matt | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1096 Registered: 02-2000 |
I just saw that fictional movie The Queen about the Queen & the death of Diana. I was wondering if Billy ever said anything about Diana's death. Or even JFK Jr. There are many conspiracy theories out there. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Norm i found this in Wendelle Stevens' Contact from the Pleiades. "In the time of Chruschetschov will be elected a new President in America..., but to be murdered in 1963 by secret order of the American security service, the CIA....A second political murder will follow the first, only five years later, when by the same order-givers, a new President candidate will be killed the same way..." Recently, your administration has been ordering scientist and industry to remain silent about climate change see( http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/30/negroponte-global-warming/ ). In the days of Kennedy they just killed anyone who threatened the secret powers.Include MLK in that list.Unless your country stops the atrocities of the CIA all around the world and reduces the tasks of the president, you cannot categorize american democracy as a real democracy.(I'm the decision-maker decider in chief...) Diana posed no threat, in my opinion her case was a sad traffic accident. | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2003 |
Contact 213 (December 2, 1986) has some discussion about the death of Princess Diana. It is located in Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte Block 5. There is no English translation at this point that I am aware of. As a side note, this Contact also discusses the mysterious disappearance of Glen Miller. | ||
Oo1oo1 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi Hector, Do you think Bush really matters anymore? Today, Bush’s poll numbers are mired at Nixonian levels circa Watergate. He is similarly isolated, similarly aggrieved, similarly blinded to his own faults and follies. Similarly out to lunch, that is. (Though he hasn’t yet invited Dick Cheney to pray with him in the Oval Office—at least as far as we know.) And he is also similarly unloved and unlamented by the very pols who so recently fetishized and fawned over him. How unloved? How unlamented? After the State of the Union, ABC’s political director, Mark Halperin, speculated that, if a secret ballot were held in Congress to end the Bush presidency, it would pass “by a margin of, oh, 500 to 35.”  You can read more here: http://nymag.com/news/politics/Bush/26997/index.html | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1098 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hector, I know about JFK. I said JFK Jr. who died in a plane crash with his wife. My Website |
