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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 1031 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I found these images recently from an old Dean Martin show, which I believe depict the original actors who were used as part of the forgery of the Asket and Nera photos. The blond woman's name is Tara Leigh, but I don't know the name of the darker haired woman. I froze various images from the video, to get them up close. The women appear to be older than the originals used in the forgery. I know they are not Plejaren's, but I believe the images give a better impression of what possibly Asket and Nera looked like, except possibly Asket's hair coloring and the ear lobes which are not part of these women's natural features.   | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 10-2000 |
Here's a comment from Wendelle that he made, a while ago, in response to some skeptic about the photos: Dear Gary: The fuzzy photo of Asket, a DAL, was taken inside the ship in a room only about 10 feet wide, and well inside the jammed focus ring adjustment on Billy's broken camera, thus the "fuzzy" out of focus reading. As for the alleged, and never supported story that she was first a German Fashion Model, then Billy's brunette wife in a blond wig, and then finally one of the dancer's in Dean Martin's program, all were quickly dispensed with by video split-screen imaging, where all can see that the faces simply do not match any of those allegations. That should have been done by the proponents first, but of course they all knew better and did not want such technology to interfere with their cute judgements. All should do their own homework before making such silly allegations, or even accepting such. Regards, Wendelle Stevens Michael Horn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1032 Registered: 12-1999 |
Michael, Weren't the images of Asket and Nera composites of the real images mixed in with the actors from the show?, | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1033 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I would like to point out more evidence in regards to photo manipulation of the Asket/Nera images. The first image as you see shows "Asket/Nera", the second image I faded out the facial area of Nera and you can see the outline of a "male" image or what appears to be a male image, with a white shirt collar, hair parted on the left side (from the viewers angle) and a facial outline which is fairly obvious, at least to me....could this be when a studio camera is cutting away from one image and a second camera is fading into the next image?   | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 418 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Scott ; The male in the photo is Dean Martin . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2004 |
Scott, Yes, I brought that Asket and Nera pics topic some years ago in this forum and pointed out to the man, who seems to be Dean Martin... or a Dean Martin look-alike  What is never mentioned about it is that even though it is a forgery, it is a high-tech one. There were no home video recorders at the time (1975) and tv's lower resolution was easy to see in pics (and not present in both photos)... Even more: the show was aired in America, while Billy, of course, was living in Switzerland, so we have a proof that MIB really existed. Best regards Mario | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Scott, Good work. In the photo with "Nera's" face shaded out the figure in the back certainly seems to have the characteristics of Dean Martin (the hairline in particular). I think your assumption about that image resulting from a camera fade is probably correct. The Nera look-alike is Susan McIver [a.k.a. Susan Lund, a.k.a. Suzan Lund]. Both women were members of The Golddiggers on The Dean Martin Show. I think that information comes from the Plejarans_Are_Real_2005 forum photo files. Perhaps James Truthseeker would know (?). | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1034 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks guys, Yes I thought the background image might have been Dean Martin......it's funny I never studied the image really before, then all of a sudden I noticed it...it makes me wonder what resources the MIB had at their command to be able to spot these look alike women... | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 03-2004 |
Brilliant work, Scott! Thank you very much for clearing up yet another part of very old controversy! And I never did see Dino before in #109, (although I never spent much time looking). Did anyone other than me gasp when he saw the photo of Ms. Leigh? My question, “Where are these women?” being finally answered, my creative notion - expressed here many months ago, that the women shown in the Meier photos may have actually BEEN A & N - bites the dust! I’m 99.9% convinced we have a match on Asket (from photo #110) with Tara. I resized and tilted the photo you made so they can be better compared/superimposed. See below. Now let’s try to figure out why Phobal Cheng said Asket looked dark and Eurasian, and in vol. #1 of the contact notes, Billy describes her as “brunette”, but reportedly didn’t notice the difference when Tara Leigh’s picture came back from being “developed.” ;-) While sharing a laugh with Vivienne at the MiB’s resourcefulness in contributing to the controversy Semjase said was so necessary (also mentioned here: www.gaiaguys.net/meier.56.ratgeber.htm) which is so baffling to the intellectually developmentally challenged contributors @ http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopic-59636-days0-orderasc-0.html - Vivienne suggested (facetiously) that these two ladies could indeed still BE Asket & Nera, because they would be smart enough to learn some dance routines, etc. very quickly, in order to get jobs in Hollywood for the planned photo opportunities. I suppose the holy grail in this bizarre saga would be to find the same episode of the Dean Martin Show, and then the same frames. I agree that #110 was earlier. Notice that Tara’s hair has grown out a bit from her clipped off locks which look a little like long earlobes? I wonder what these two Hollywood entertainers are doing now, and whether they are aware that they once unwittingly impersonated extraterrestrials, thus getting a mention in the history books to come? Cheers! Dyson  | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2003 |
In Contact 54 (June 8, 1976) Semjase mentions that Plejaren women "like to color" their eyes, in other words, change their natural eye color (Plejadisch-plejarishe Kontaktberichte Block 2, page 192, sentences 24-28). Though Asket is of the Timmers, perhaps the difference in hair color mentioned by Phobol Cheng (in her rememberance of Asket in 1964) is simply a matter of...she dyed her hair (just as women do here on Earth) later in life when she met up with "Billy" again in 1975 during his "great journey". Just a thought... | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1035 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Dyson and David, I came across 3 episodes of "Dino", and only one had the dancers. When I first came across the video and saw the dancers it sent a chill through me...I couldn't believe it..wow! I will keep looking, and possibly the original will pop up at some time David, good thought..I was thinking would I remember someones hair color after 20 years or so?..looking at the photos of the dancers it seems "Tara" has dyed hair at least from what I can tell.. Regards Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1036 Registered: 12-1999 |
One more thing, from what I understand the show was cancelled in 1974, therefore the images must have been extracted from recordings of the show, which would negate Billy having recorded them from a TV in 1975 during the time he took his great journey. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys, I really like it when progress gets made on these questions, because the MiB deserve the exposure. It's so unfair when liars claim that they are telling the truth when they say that someone else is lying when he isn't. So how ELSE could Billy have gotten those pictures? And they even sent him a ghostly image of ol' Dino, as a touch of trademark audacity. I go along with David's theory. Here's what I posted on May 14, 2006: (snip) Ms. Cheng described Asket as appearing Eurasian, “dark”, and with “dark” hair. Billy also said she was a “brunette”, but, in the FIGU sketch by Christian Krukowski (@www.gaiaguys.net/Fermi.htm) Asket is IDENTICAL to the infamous Asket/Nera photographs! Very blonde! When asked, Billy said he hadn't noticed. The contact notes mention that Semjase – at one stage – died her hair red. (“Our women are not without a certain vanity.”- Ptaah) and if their cosmetic advances over us in 2006 are in line with all the other ones, I would imagine that ET women would not have to resort to painful and dangerous surgery to obtain “the Paris lip” or whatever is the latest trend in feminine beauty. When the fashion gurus dictate that “Legs are long this spring”, all the extraterrestrial fashion victims could go off to the beauty parlor for leg-lengthening. Could this explain (part of) the confusion? http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6102.html#POST20647 (snip) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 08-2004 |
There's nothing confounds a man more than a woman. cpl | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 371 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day everybody Call me dimwitted, dumb and stupid for saying this but I've seem to have missed the boat or at least went to the wrong terminal but regarding all those pictures of forged MiB materials on asket and nera are all of them and not one single one depict 100% accurately of asket? If this is the case then we are still left suspending in the air with a big question mark over our heads as to how exactly asket really, truly, verily, looks like. From all those photos of supposed asket pictures at PAR forum, I've counted at least 4 different people who supposed to be asket. So I wonder whether there exists in possession by somebody, an uncorrupted original photo of asket that unequivocally depicts the real asket as she was back when her photo was taken by Billy? And if so, I wonder whether anyone can have access to them? Scott, I was wondering if you've read my post 9906 back at PAR? Thanks everybody cheers Matt | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2006 |
I am a little confused here in Steven's account of Meier's first meeting with Asket it says: ".....She incited the appearance of an angel as she wore a long dress of sliver-white color that was cinched at the waist. Over the shoulders, fell her long blond hair............" So, is this an incorrect translation? Does anyone who has the original know? R | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1037 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matt, Yes, I saw your post, It again proves to me we are all connected in mysterious ways, that seldom are known to us in a conscious way. Robyn, here again is an example of what I just stated, I was looking for that quotation, and here you go bringing it up! Here is an unofficial translation from the book "From the Depths of Outer Space" about Billy's description of Asket "Over her shoulders flowed long, blond hair, loosely and not held by a ribbon a clasp or the like" (Dyson I don't have the original German with me) ...so this really makes me wonder maybe Asket had indeed changed the color of her hair at some later point?? By the way, I found another pix of Asket's look alike, which sort of resembles Billy's description of her..I guess one could sort of imagine this image of her stepping out of her ship  | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2003 |
I wrote to the Dean Martin Fan Center to get their opinion of, or information about, the forged Asket/Nera photo. I received the following response from Peter Ruffini (Web Director, Dean Martin Fan Center): "The photograph is a blurred shot from the Dean Martin Show during one of the concert spots in 1971. The two girls are (with their names back then): Susan Lund (Brunette); Michelle Della Fave (Blonde). Our organization's founder is still in touch with both (and was there on the set of the Dean Martin Show when these were taken)." | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 414 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear all, Gosh! “Asket” comes alive! Sterling work, Scott! I hope Billy drops in here for a look! (I was surprisingly moved by the accounts in the most recent contact notes about Semjase’s and Asket’s brief contact visit with Billy not long ago after many many years. Billy was also quite moved, and the gist of the conversation was touchingly awkward and shy, with Billy sharing some chocolates with his former teachers, everyone agreeing that it was certainly very fine chocolate.) I’ve mentioned the brunette hair a couple of times, but never the exact reference. I’d forgotten that the “blonde” word came from the Stevens’ translation. Here’s the exact bit. Your guesses are as good as mine as to how all this came about.  And I was sufficiently taken with David’s good idea to digitally remodel Tara Leigh’s (about) 33 year old photograph into what we have been led to think Asket looked like, that I colorized her a little and borrowed her colleague’s hair to see what we’d get.  I didn’t put a lot of time and effort into it, but you get the idea. I wonder what Ms. Cheng would make of this? Has she submerged again, I wonder, or is she following the Mission’s current encouraging progress? Cheers! Dyson | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey David! Great information. You are lucky! I tried to find out this same topic back in 2000 and I wrote to the Dean Martin Fan Center to see if I could find out about the dancers, specially Tara, and this is all I got from them: ------------------- De: Dean Martin Fan Center <webdir@deanmartinfancenter.com> Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Agosto de 2000 03:33:40 a.m. Para: "mario renteria" <mariorenteria@hotmail.com> Mario, Thanks for your e-mail. We get this question asked a lot... sorry we have not heard from or about or had any contact with Tara in over 25 years. DMFC ------------ So does it mean they lied at that time? Whatever it is, I see there are improvements and this matter is becoming clarified... Best regards Mario | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1039 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Mario, You know I completely forgot about this conversation we had on the forum back in 2000. I can see we have made a little progress here. You mentioned something about a car in the image, haven't seen that, maybe you could point it out? Thanks Regards Scott | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2003 |
I located a webpage with an interview with Michelle Della Fave (a.k.a. "Asket" of the forged FIGU photos) from September 2006, which also contains the photo below: http://www.super-hair.net/qs-0906.html  | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 06-2006 |
I don think Plejarens allowed to give their pictures to Earth people, but wats the reason fer that? That lady from the Dean Martin show is a Asket look alike but did Asket actually give her pic? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1040 Registered: 12-1999 |
Excellent David, thanks very much for your contribution here and everyone else! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 417 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Brilliant, David! I REALLY admire people like you for doing the hard boring work that leads to real results. This is where the most gold comes from, not the high-handed theorizing and chatter we see here so often. Wonderful to bring this attractive woman to life for us here, and we get an idea how Asket might look a few centuries from now. And if anyone is interested, the link David found also shows a few other "Asket-era" stills from the TV show. Billy's contacts from this DERN universe don't allow photos because they would be worshipped (and/or cursed) as (religious-like) icons, and that evidently sends dangerous vibes in the direction of the subject of the photograph. Asket and Nera live in the DAL universe, where these bad vibes can't reach, so there was no danger to them. Cheers and congratulations all around! Dyson | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Scott! I remembered that thread about Asket and Nera forged pics on this forum six years ago, but I didn’t remember it was you who made the followed-up. My postings were made at the time I was making my first studies on the pics. At first glance my impression was there was a man sitting on a back seat of a car with rear window being noticeable. What I found after I didn’t post, because it seemed my postings were not well received back then. Curiously enough I read yesterday some posts regarding why being 500 members in this forum, only about 20 post regularly. My reasons to not posting most of the time are well represented at the end of that thread (among my bad English, which can make some misunderstandings happen). Before I put my posts on the forum, I sent a mail to Andrew Cossette and he replied I should keep on analizing the pics, maybe I was onto something. Later I found the man could be Dean Martin himself, though a friend of mine said jokingly the man was Elvis and that was an evidence of Elvis being extraterrestrial I liked a Norman comment and I tried to separate the two faces from the Asket/Tara pic and it was very interesting. I’m sorry I don’t have those pics any longer, because with your recent posting of better photos of Tara it could be easier to see the real Asket face… The only thing I found odd was that in the “better” pic of Asket and Nera/Tara and Susan there is a very evident curtain or back drop which made me think if there was something similar in the beamship where the pic was taken. But it really doesn’t matter. You explain it very well in your post from Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 08:55 pm: “You know I studied the blurred image of "Asket and Nera" and sure enough I can see the outline of a man's face behind the image of Nera. Also it appears that their is a person to her right, but I cant see any part of the head. ”If this image was generated from a photo of the TV show, then possibly this dual exposure occurred just as one scene was changing into another. I dont see a car, but possibly what appears to be the side of a car, from about the bottom of the side windows to the top of the windows”. When I realized that the forgery itself was more a validation of the Meier Case than a proof of hoax, I left the issue and went to study other sides of the case. I'd like to post the mail from Andrew, but it was deleted by "someone"... when the events of 9/11 ocurred, I had a thread of mails with John Hogue, Nostradamus scholar, where I asked him about George W. Bush being Mabus, the third antichrist, and explaining why I thought so. At the same time I published a two-part article on the Talmud of Jmmanuel in a weekly local newspaper, and I tell you: for 5 years and 5 months I’ve been leading a very hard life. I lost my job on the newspaper, no other newspaper or magazine wanted to hire me and I had to go a very low income freelance career to survive, many of my “dangerous” or “suspect” e-mails were deleted from my “private” account, catholic church members even sent death threat letters to me… and the second part of the article was never released. A copy of the whole article I sent to some FIGU Passive Members and one of them wanted to give it to Jaime Maussan, but I never knew what happened. I read the complete article on a radio broadcasting and soon some members of a christian sect were angry calling on the phone and waiting for me by the time I went out of the radio facilities, but I was faster than them. The funny side was that this article even was a part of a discussion in a catholic University, so the students of Journalism pondered if my human rights/rights to free express myself were violated!!! This post is becoming too long. But I think I explained myself regarding your original question. All the best Mario | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1041 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Mario, Thank you for sharing all of this information., Your English is fine...I am sorry to hear about your misfortune, yes, it must be difficult for you to survive... So much for the Catholic church and all of their false piety...I guess it shows you who the true enemy of truth is. Be assured your efforts will bear good fruit.. Kind regards Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1084 Registered: 02-2000 |
Mario, Post the article online, i'm sure someone here will host it for you. My Website | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello dear Norm, Yes, I thought I could post my two works in the FIGU website, as the spanish section has very few information or maybe at Jaime Maussan's. The first work is about the Meier Case in a general view ("There's no darkness equal to ignorance: The Billy Meier Story"), it was published in four parts in early 2000 and it was revised and corrected by Christian Frehner after someone translated it into english and I can say it is approved. Billy kindly gave me his permission to use his photos and Christian even sent me the new drawing of Semjase before it was released to the public! The second one is about the Talmud of Jmmanuel (The Talmud of Jmmanuel: Truth or Heresy?) which was not published complete as I explained in my previous post. I think this is the best one, because I counted on a great support from James Deardorff who allowed me to take some portions of his monumental work, specifically on aramaisms, and answered many questions and I made a lot of research on the New Testament, Paul, The Q Gospel, the Magdalen-17 papyrus, Mithra, Buddah, Mohammed... there is an episode in the Mohammed biography, in his childhood, that confirms Jmmanuel's prophesy, which I haven't seen in other works. And Scott... I thank you for your sincere words, it seems that the "punishment" from catholic church is over now, after 5 years and 5 months. I guess number 5 has to have a meaning... These people put a lot of pressure on my bosses and I had to quit the newspaper. But now I breathe fresh air all around. I'm on my way again. No matter what happened before, I'm glad I did it and I enjoyed it. And as this discussion is about plejarens, I think I'm coming back to the subject now. Or I better leave it to you guys... Best regards Mario | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dyson, what about Billy's pic would people probably 'surse' that too. But I don't understand as to how people like the Timars and the Plejarens with such great technology could be cursed by thoughts of humans, isn't there a way to fight that curse? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 420 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Celestialbrother, Good question. Short answer: I don't know. But, I'd guess that Billy's power of consciousness - given who he is and his spirit form’s unique background - is SO much greater than anybody else’s, that this stuff couldn't do him much harm. And of course it would be practically impossible for him to hide, and still do his job. Protective technology? I don’t know, but Quantum Unified Field Theory posits that consciousness is the hierarchy which contains all else as subsets, like space-time, gravity, magnetism, atomic forces, etc. So the “monstrous” power of thought Billy teaches us about cuts both ways. Which is why, in order for their survival, the Ruling Elite needs to keep everybody mindlessly preoccupied. Salome, Dyson | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2006 |
But what I still don't understand is that how can you with someone's picture cause harm to them, who practices such things? Is Billy the only man who would be 'immune' to such negative telepathy. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 432 Registered: 03-2004 |
Read up on Q.U.F.T. Some folks are quite open about their curses. There's one at the bottom of this "holy scripture" www.gaiaguys.net/book.of.law.htm , but they don't always work! Niether Vivienne nor I have even had a cold since 2001, so, as I said, the power of thought cuts both ways. But I don't reckon anyone would be totally immune, it's just a matter of strength of consciouness, plus the elemental power of truth. Cheers! D | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 03-2003 |
I've compiled a document with links to the various webpages concerning the Asket/Nera photos. Also included is an email exchange I had with Michelle Della Fave (the Asket look-alike) stating that she is indeed the (blonde) woman in the photos. http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/askner.html | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings there David, Very impressive work you've been doing there. Also it is my understanding that "Michelle Della Fave" was back then known as "Tara Leigh" and it would be interesting to also get a picture of "Susan Lund" as she now looks today if you can find this too. Also here is a comparison photo I once downloaded a few years ago from a skeptic's website, believe it or not, who was attempting at the time to debunk Billy Meier, but when I drew in the red lines pointing out the differences in their hairlines, the picture was pulled from the site. I beleive the site at the time was called: roswell.org  Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings again David and everyone, I've just been going through older posts here regarding the Asket look alike photos and see now that I've missed the conversation from last month. As a further note I also just found out that the names "Tara Leigh" and "Michelle Della Fave" were in fact two completely different people. Tara Leigh, I understand was a name first brought up here by Mario, from which most of us had assumed now for the past 5 or more years was "thee" woman to appear like Asket, but thanks now to David, I think we finally have been corrected for the true name of this woman. Tara Leigh / Michelle Della Fave   Also here is the link for the best reference along with some very clear new pictures: http://www.womwam.net/rl/tv/60s/Dean_Martin/Dingalings Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 03-2003 |
The more I learn about Michelle Della Fave, the more I like her as a person. I was thinking, if the Plejarens have look alikes here on Earth, then I wonder if anyone here on this forum has ever come across their look alikes. I have not met anyone who looks like me yet, however, a friend told me once that he saw a look alike of me in the Seattle Wa, USA, and he even wore the same cloths as me. So just think, anyone of you could have a look alike hear on Earth or in the Plejaren system. You just never know! | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Truthseeker, Good to see you again in the forum. Just a little clarification: the name of Tara Leigh was not brought up by me, I saw this name in some texts (pro and con) regarding that forged photos unpleasant matter at the time (1998-1999) and it is mentioned in Guido Moosebruguer's book "And still... they fly!". You can find this at http://www.gaiaguys.net/Cnotes.html Best regards Mario | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Maria, Thanks for the clarification. By the sounds of it, it looks like someone goofed, and I'm glad this time that it isn't me. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 06-2006 |
If Asket can give her pic, then why can't the Plejarens give theirs..? I really don't understand this reason behind this, I mean the same 'curse' could affect both of them, then why did Asket give her pic in the first place? | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 03-2003 |
Because unlike the Plejarens she does not live in our universe and she has no further missions involving Earth. | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Truthseeker, Good to see you again in the forum. Just a little clarification: the name of Maria is a proper name for a female human being. My name is Mario, a proper name for a male human being. By the sounds of it, it looks like someone goofed, and I'm glad this time that it isn't me.  | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 03-2003 |
Actually I did not goof, because I had realized my mistake and reposted the same message again with the correction, but it looks like one of the moderators still posted up the wrong posting. | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Truthseeker, Hey, I was just kidding, don't take it so personal. I do goof many times in my posts, but I'm here to learn and I come here with an open mind and open eyes, it's not important if I look foolish by some things I write, what matters to me is that there is always someone here who brings knowledge and truth shines. But coming back to the Asket look-alike... Years ago I did this simple exercise using photoshop to see if I was able to separate the face that apparently was overimposed on Asket's. a) Evidently, there are many differences between the Golddigger and Asket, considering these pics. Head shape is rounder in the left pic, the nose is bigger and has a different shape, different nostrils, forehead slightly different same as the eyebrows...  Now, in this image you can notice all the differences I mentioned above. But the most interesting thing for me was that it seems there is two faces that don't match exactly in the left pic. Upper half is different than lower half... this was what made me think I could see the "real" Asket... Compare the two faces, specially the nose and left eye... is Asket there?  Finally I removed the eye that didn't fit which seemed to be the Golddigger eye on the right, I assumed Asket wouldn't wear that so heavy make up, left the lines that fit from eyebrow to nose, and I remove hair form the right so the earlobe could be seen clearly. I don't know, but the result was a very different woman than Michelle Della Fave or Tara Leigh or whoever is the other woman in the pic.  Of course, I'm not claiming absolutely nothing. It was just an exercise and that was what I found, there is an extremely high probability I am wrong on this. I'm just sharing this image, but don't take it too seriously, please. Best regards Mario | ||
Mario Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 03-2004 |
A different version just trying to imagine a brunette Asket, based on the american Asket look-alike photo...  Best regards Mario | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hmmm, now that is interesting. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 03-2003 |
Just to let everyone know, I just learned from Michelle herself that her last name is all one word like this, "Dellafave". | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 03-2003 |
Also I forgot to add the "F" is capitalized in DellaFave, and Mario, I didn't take your comments personally. | ||
Joel New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2006 |
I bet plajerans have thick callouses on their feet, from standing around all day. I also bet they underappreciate the earth people because they are too scientific, same with figu members, they are too serious, thus leads them to feel that everyone else is immature, ignorant and egomaniacs. So they have the obvious on their side, but this attitude leads to an injustice in their personal lives without them ever even knowing it. Take for an example the assumption that some figu members boycotting their loved ones for this self created duty (billy meier disciples). I think (if true) that is horrible, because your family members are not ignorant they are innocent and your ego is underappreciating and cause unnecessary drama and stress for those poor people. I believe the Plarjens want the world to crumble anyways with this peace talk, same you figu members ( think about it, have you accepted it already or are you forever protesting it your heart) in order to correct our enslaved butt cheeks. I also feel the discussion board members engage in senseless bigotry that insults the self exploration of this billy meier case, watch some member will feel offended with this assumption. Assumption! And I think it would neat if, to test your faith, the figu disciples should walk into the heart of Jerusalem right now and preach the truth. That could get world wide attention with all those camera down there. Plus you could possibly stop the war. Thats my opinions for the month of march, I will get back in april.... | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 460 Registered: 06-2000 |
I think the word "Assumption" says it all . Therefore I have said enough . Mark Campbell | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 06-2006 |
Firstly, How do we know that the Plejarens are having good intentions? I mean, I may sound stupid here but we are just like a small island cut off from the rest of the Universe, do we really know these people? And forgive me if you have to, but this is what I can think to be on the safe side. The Plejarens don't trust us so much as to even make a public appearence. The Plejarens have spoken contrary to many customs and have weird rules which is okay and may be true and good for the progress of their mission. But, it seems as thought they are making a new world order with German as the language etc, etc.. but what for reason are they making German the 'official' language of the Earth? I don't like the idea of German being the new world language and I am sure there will be a great war over that. I had heard that when the Plejarens contacted Muhammed they spoke to him in Arabic, did they make Arbic the international language then? Then why German now? But other than that Billy has only been contacted by the Plejarens, Timars and Vegans, were are other races to testify what they are saying? Secondly, Semjase in her second contact note mentioned that ETs that beings that take men into beamships and study man’s anatomy with their tools and then let them free are more humane than the Earthman. Firstly, what does she mean by 'Earthman' the men of Earth are different from each other, not like the Plejarens that live like one race on their planet. And how can such beings be 'more humane' than the Earth man? What is she trying to say here or do the Plejarens have a hand in the abductions. I feel Semjase has a low understanding of the people of Earth and that just reflects her 'wisdom'. Also, though any questions are permitted here (to Billy), we can't argue historical facts through logic as they may or maynot have happened. Also, many specific questions are not known by Billy, also it is difficult for a person of earth (other than Billy) to meet the Plejarens and Billy is not allowed to ask specific questions to the Plejarens with his knowledge confined to few matters, so such questions go unanswered. Check how many questions have been answered 'Billy doesn't know' after one month of waiting. I am not blaming Billy here, all men have limited knowldege but why is he 'not allowed' to ask these questions? And frankly speaking, I still didn't understand what Billy thinks of the Jews, now I don't wanna start this topic again with all complicated ideas but I still haven't understood why he pulled them in the conversation with Semjase for her to speak of them as dregs. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey celestial brother... i too had the thought that the plejarens are steering us the way theye want. the only thing i can think of why german would be pushed (no doubt by them) as the official earth language is three reasons,,, in my opinion. so 1. more people could have access and understanding to meier's teachings in german, 2. the fact that german seems to have a wider vocabulary than i figure most languages 3. from what i gather, german came from lyran, so perhaps it's also a traditional thing. the plejarens came from lyrans, so maybe some cultural ancestral pride is in play here. look at the plejarens closely for a moment,,, the plejaren quetzal or whoever which one, collects cars, auto mobiles.... pollution machines. this fascinates or interests him, them for some reason. how long will this collection of cars go? even billy i think said not to be attatched to the nmaterial aspects of things, yet here we have a spiritualy evolved plejaren treating earth like a toy's r us for his own kicks. yet semjase wont ride a moped for it is too dangerous. two different people, two different ideas, yet she (semjase flies around in a machine that can race through space at great speed, that can kill a deer) bias i tell you. but the plejarens confidence in themselves can be their curse aswell as their benefit it seems. i heard a guy named yao man on survivor fiji say something that stuck with me, "trust few, love all and do harm to none". i guess that can work for us earth humans, eventually we'll have to trust many. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 02-2006 |
Celestialbrother: "But, it seems as thought they are making a new world order with German as the language etc, etc.. but what for reason are they making German the 'official' language of the Earth? I don't like the idea of German being the new world language..." hi Celestialbrother. well I'm not sure what you mean by the Plejarens have an agenda to make all the people of the world speak one language, but if they were, or if the world did all speak one language, I can see some great benefits from it. For one it would bring all the people of the world a lot closer together. And whats wrong if it is the German language anyway. From what i understand so far, its supposed to be one of the best and most complete languages. Celestialbrother: "Secondly, Semjase in her second contact note mentioned that ETs that beings that take men into beamships and study man’s anatomy with their tools and then let them free are more humane than the Earthman." Celestialbrother I don't think any of those contacts ever happened according to the latest http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s25/the_newest.htm Peter_brodowski: "look at the plejarens closely for a moment,,, the plejaren quetzal or whoever which one, collects cars, auto mobiles.... pollution machines. this fascinates or interests him, them for some reason. how long will this collection of cars go? even billy i think said not to be attatched to the nmaterial aspects of things, yet here we have a spiritualy evolved plejaren treating earth like a toy's r us for his own kicks. yet semjase wont ride a moped for it is too dangerous. two different people, two different ideas, yet she (semjase flies around in a machine that can race through space at great speed, that can kill a deer) bias i tell you. but the plejarens confidence in themselves can be their curse aswell as their benefit it seems." Hi Peter, I'm not sure what you mean there too because you know the collection of cars on erra is not a toy's r us for the owners/errans own kicks. It is firstly a museum. And if the errans are into playing with toys, I'm sure they have much better toys on erra then any of those crumby earth vehicles. I also don't see how semjase flying around in a beamship could kill a deer? Besides with their level of technology, I'd imagine the Plejarens beamships/vehicles have got some sort of automatic safety device fitting into them to avoid hitting animals/birds anyway. Billy did say that all machines/equipment the Plejarens build is built perfect/faultless. And I also don't follow what you mean by saying "but the plejarens confidence in themselves can be their curse aswell as their benefit it seems." because their confidence in themselves comes from knowledge. Perhaps you can explain how their confidence in their knowledge can work against them, as well as for them? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 462 Registered: 06-2000 |
Fair enough questions , since you have them . I think you have taken the information only partially , with the assumption that German should be the language of the future . This is their opinion , but wouldn't it be nice if that was all that is required to convince even one other person , just having an opinion ? Of course , none of the Earth languages are their native speak , so easy for them to say that , I see that as being a common response .Just the other day someone sneezed and I said "Gesundheit " . So you see, it has already taken over my country , mein herr . Also I notice that your assumed name indicated that you are "celestial" in some way , which seems entirely inappropriate for you , and misleading . You seem rather earth-bound to me ; no offence .I mean , I can't take the time to reeally get to know you , but I thought that you were one of the cool ones here . Sorry to have misjudged you ! My point given to you in all respect is to read as much as you can until you read some more and then still more . The questions you ask reflect that you haven't , and noone can answer your questions for you ; only your analytical mind and factors of reason can . I don't think that I'm being judgemental at all by saying that I don't think that this study is for you , because all you do is complain . A complainer will never get past his own self-abuse . Mark Campbell | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Peter, thats a nice post. But I still don't get somethings like as you said English doesn't have a great vocabulary, right. But then why German, I gave the example of Muhammed to whom 'the Truth' was given in Arabic as he could understand it, but did Arabic become the 'international language then? And making one laguage the international one seems biased. About Quetzal and Semjase, they are two different humans and hence, they have different personalities. Semjase wouldn't wanna ride that moped coz of its bad engineering perhapes, she is being safe and she is comfortable with the beamship (that can kill a deer? when did that happen?) coz she knows its superior, safe and u no thats all fine. But, I don't like Semjase looking at Earth humans as evil guys, an magnification of how bad we are. our history iz filed wid wars an stuff but thats not ALL we have. I mean do you think beings that take men into their space machines and do all sorts of experiments on them are more humane than us? I don't think so. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2006 |
Vestri, I have to tell you that there IS a problem with German being the world language, ok. What ru talkin abt bringin people togther? Do ya think people in Africa know about Billy's contact? You call german a complete language but I have heard german it sounds like they are hawking somthin in their mouth and just because English has a poor voca. or what ever there are many thousand languages that are good. And after all this happens Germans can once again go like 'We have the most superior language on Earth' and stuff. About Semjase, I wanted say that I don't like her using the term 'Earthman', that just shows her lack of knowledge about the people of Earth and that is that they r all varied. Her contacts to Billy give me the feelin that she think damn low of Earth people. Continually mentioning their (that is our) war nature. Plejarens are one kind of humans, if there is a planet filled with people of different races wars are bound to happen and its not like we are not trying anything to stop them. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 03-2004 |
Semjase in the early contact years had just gotten a new ship. Since this new type did not emit the radiations that warn animals of their approach, Semjase accidentally crushed a deer under her ship since the deer had no warning that it was coming down from above. This was corrected later by adding technology to prevent such an event from reoccuring. If the Errans/Plejaran are real, then they too are not perfect. By the way, Billy said that the beamships were free from technical breakdowns and crashes, NOT flawless in all manners such as avoiding accidents due to the pilot's actions. As I understand it, safety devices can be activated but are not necessarily always in use as was illustrated when Billy accidentally was beamed into a tree by mistake. That is a whole other story... | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 02-2006 |
Celestialbrother: "Vestri, I have to tell you that there IS a problem with German being the world language, ok. What ru talkin abt bringin people togther? Do ya think people in Africa know about Billy's contact? You call german a complete language but I have heard german it sounds like they are hawking somthin in their mouth and just because English has a poor voca...." Celestialbrother, I meant that if all the world spoke just one language, regardless of what language it was, that it would bring all peoples of the world a lot closer together. I thought that was obvious that was what i meant there. Billy and the Plejarens refer to German as being the best language the world should convert too. And I'm happy to take their word for it that it is. Also you can't judge how good a language is just by listening to how it sounds. Your starting to be silly now. Hi Thomas, thanks for clearing that up for us/me about the matter with Semjase's ship and the deer. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello vestri, no, i dont know. i am only told things by people i cant touch or see or hear. it's a personal collection as i read it on the figu board, it's not some plejaren museum exhibit. correct me if im wrong, so i dont give anybody the wrong idea about the deer, see thomas's latest post here. apparently some of their confidence comes from assumptions, mistakes are'nt made when you have all the facts, mistakes are made when either you think illogically or assume, or make decisions without all the facts. the plejarens are not perfect right, they make mistakes? yet there high level of evolution might cause them to be at times confident in their conclusions... are we to think that they make every decision with 100% facts and information, hmm, i dont think so, other wise as i just said, there would be no mistakes. that is what i meant by their confidence can be their curse and their benefit. sorry if my point was not clear. and to specifically answer your question "how their confidence in their knowledge can work against them, as well as for them?" let me answer your question with a question... are the plejarens void of all traces of arrogance or ignorance? ignorance can cause arrogance and the other way around. confidence in ones abilitiy can at times lead to carelessness, which can result in ignorance and so the circle spins. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 03-2004 |
You are welcome :-) | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Thomas, Reading your post #181 above about how Billy was beamed into a tree made me laugh and at the same time I am glad that I am given this opportunity to read such small detail although a very important one none the less because it just reiterates the fact that indeed WE are all human beings and while some are more advanced others choose not to be so. If you know more about this incident can you please share it with us here? Although I am not a mechanically minded person (I am very meticulous pulling things apart and yes I can reassemble them back again, Lego is wonderful too) I wish I could understand even just a little about how the "beaming" actually works. Star Trek movies show it but when it actually happens to the Plajarens..... now that's something very human and earthy in my opinion and strange as it may read to some it actually makes me feel closer to them than I previously thought or imagined. You see it's the small things in life that make the biggest difference! Bianca | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey celestail brother... well why german, well does german not have an in depth extensive vocabulary more so thatn most if not many languages on earth, and the lyran simmiliarities in that german supposedly is some sort of ofshoot of lyran (uless i am mistaken) i recently heard from a friend that lyran and german have no connection what so ever. i agrre in a sense to what you say regarding semjase's view, but i cant think of any direct quote that has her saying akll men are evil on earth etc. i think of it this way,,, she is involved in this, and most propably worked hard studying and learning to be fit to be a lead role in this mission of theirs. the only reason they are helpping us is if i recall correctly, that they feel somewhat responsible for their ancestors actions. it was stated that quetzal and others had incarnations of various gods and other menacing or scheming people in ancient times. this tells me they take responsibility for previous incarnations because they see that it's one long life i guess. so tying this into what you and i were talking about in your last post to me,,, the plejarens would be in a sense tens of dozens of times more vile than us. perhaps why they are hear, self responsibilty in the utmost scale. after all , is'nt billy here because his sprit form is responsible for the chain reaction of many events that have happend, as detailed in some of his historical writtings? | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 06-2006 |
Vestri, how exactly did the Plejarens and Billy conclude that German is THE BEST language on earth, just because it is of some lyran origin or whatever. I mean wats the criteria for the Best langauge, we don't even know how many languages exist(/ed). And I include the Plejarens in that. Also, Vestri how can Billy say something like a contact (like no. 2) never happened, what does that mean he's been lyin abt it for so long? I really don understand how things just spill out and then 1 goz like 'that never happened'. Cn u explain how the contact thn came in the first place? And with Semjase killing that deer, I don't understand if she can't handle a simple manuverin of the ship then what she's doing. And as far as I recall, Billy once said that EVERYTHING is perfect in the Plejaren Beamships. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 03-2004 |
As I recall, the security and safety device that allows only the assigned pilot to control a beamship was turned off in order that Billy could fly the ship. This comes into play later as Billy is allowed to beam down without the security control being reinstated. As I understand it, this control, among other things, handles the safety features in the beaming/teleport process. With this control turned on, the process of beaming is automated and safe. However, with it turned off, the person beaming can influence where the destination of the beaming is and, if they aren't careful, prepared, or knowledgeable in how to control this process, they can be beamed to an undesired location. This exact thing occured and Billy was inadvertently beamed into a high tree where he was luckily able to grab onto branches in order not to fall before being rescued. From then on, Billy always has made sure that the security measures are in place before he beams down from the ships. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2006 |
Celestialbrother, I could take the time to go and fetch all the Plejaren/Meier material source to backup those few things I mentioned in my number 82 post, but how about you do it instead, because you made those few claims/statements first and i was only responding back to you. No offence but i think you should do your research of the Meier material before you decide to spout nonsense off like that, because thats what it clearly was. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 07-2004 |
Could Billy have been beamed into the actual tree material, mixing his atoms with the trees? That's what I first visualized when I read the above posts of that Plejaren beaming mistake. Was this incident included in, "And Yet, Still They Fly". I don't recall that event. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 06-2006 |
Vestri, What claims did I make? I only say that it is impossible that Billy's conatct no.2 didn't happen. From searching Billy's material will you try to prove that contact no.2 in which Semjase used the word 'Earthman' and said that aliens that abduct men are better than us didn't happen? Well, I think contact no. 2 did happen and Semjase has a wrong notion of the Earth human. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 03-2004 |
This was not mentioned in that book, but in another book. I don't believe that mixing could have occured due to the energy packet character of beaming technology as mentioned in several FIGU resources. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey can anyone tel me hw, Billy can just say that da contct no. 2 didn't happen. I mean how did he say it happened in the first place then? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Celestialbrother (what's your real name?), I haven't been following this thread so I may have missed something, but I never read that Mr. Meier said that Contact 2 didn't happen. In fact, the English translation of the contact is online at: http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/2.htm As far as Semjase having a wrong notion of Earth humans, on the one hand it has been stated many times that the Plejaren are not perfect (thus may have, and have had, wrong notions about Earth humans), and on the other hand, early in the contacts between the Plejaren and Mr. Meier it can be seen that there were incorrect assumptions and ideas about Earth humans that were later cleared up. As to your comment in post 72, "contact no.2 in which Semjase used the word 'Earthman' and said that aliens that abduct men are better than us", what was said by Semjase in regards to some extraterrestrials abducting Earth humans can be read on lines 40-55. There you will see that in regards to abductions of Earth humans she talks about some extraterrestrials that "often are more humane beings than man on Earth" and "without exception, though, they let these human beings go again, for they do not wish to harm them". She also talks about some other extraterrestrials who are "power hungry and evil" and "they kidnap and abduct human beings from Earth, as well as from planets in other systems, and bring them to their home planets. These poor creatures then lead a life there as objects displayed in exhibitions or used for experiments." | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1121 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi David, Did you ever receive that edition of Geo you requested? Scott | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Scott, The GEO magazine is coming from Germany so it may take another few weeks to arrive (so I'm told). As soon as I receive it I will scan and post the photo/illustrations. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Celestialbrother and Peter, As mentioned by a few guys already you don’t seem to have spent a lot of time reading to be able to be sure of what you are talking about. And your views towards the German language makes me think that you are not learning it and not planning to, my advice before making any assumptions learn the German and read as much info as you can. I guess half of the 24’000 pages would help you in understanding things a bit more, and make things clearer. Let me tell you one thing and hope it will be clear to every one, when Billy or the Plejarens talk about things in general like the Israelis are evil, or the Americans are materialistic and only care about money, or that earth humans are barbarians. In most earth humans views that is a generalization but in fact when they say Israelis are evil they are only referring to the ones that are evil and trust me you would know when you are included in this, or that Americans are so or so.. if you are not the same that means they are not referring to you. And when they say earth humans are barbarians, is because of the many wars that have been going on and they do not refer to each and every human on earth being a barbarian. Humans like to get offended very quick, like when one says something negative that might seem to be generalizing something, if one is evolved enough one would understand that when a person says that that men do this or women do that, Chinese are like this, or Europeans are like that… in most cases one doesn’t generalize to include every single one, every person with a logic mind will know that although the majority are like this or that there are always exceptions. If you are not ready to learn the German nor to read the information first hand and decide to continue to make such assumptions I would suggest find something else to do.. because you are not doing any good here nor to yourself. Salome, Badr | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1123 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi David, Thanks for the update. Scott | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello junior, about your 2nd paragraph, shame on you for assuming others have not thought of this. have some confidence in your fellow neighbours in short, dont bunch me up with celestial brothers ideas, much of what i said is possibilities that i suppose could be true, i never wrote anything with 100% confidence that it is true, just throwing around ideas in regards to another persons own assumtions and conclusions, that is all. it seems to me there's a group of people here on the figu forum that seem to press there ideas on others and act like police or even bullies. i dont need german to live and learn about my spirit, i can speak about anything i want and give the opinions and suggestions i choose regardless of wether or not you think you know the reason for it etc. i am doing good to myself , and you cant sit there and say otherwise, you arent in the position to. just because i take an interest in the meier materials does not mean i have to learn german. you can rely on billy's books, i will take interest in them and rely on my own will and common sense. if there was something wrong with the thoughts i shared with celestial brother and others, then scott the moderator would surely have let me know that something isnt appropriate or may jeapordize this and that on the forum. my advice to you is, with all kindess and respect, that you should focus on yourself. and for the record, i think well of the plejarens. i often try to put myself in their shoes when i stumble across something that seems unfair or hypocritical. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 608 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Peter, Have you read www.giaguys.net/kritikundkritik.htm? If so, I'd be curious to know your opinion of it. Salome, Dyson | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 01-2004 |
dear dyson, the link does not work for some reason. if it works later, i dont intend on giving you my opinion because i feel you are not interested in my opinion, there is an alterior motive to your wanting me to read whats on that link. it's a shame that now all of a sudden you want to hear what i have to say... it is a shame to me because months ago when i wanted to have a kind and honest discussion about missing children and masons, you shut me out. and the reason you gave was truly hurtful to me. it was feeble to put it softly. thankfully you have many friends on figu. not that i hold some grudge. i just feel i dont need to talk with you. nor do i want to. and contrary to what the tone may seem like, this reply to you is a very positive and well meaning one. i hope you get my point. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello, I read the article Critisim & Critisim twice thus far and felt like each phrase hit a different note. I feel like my life is lived as a paradox almost as a daily routine and I am aware of it but sometimes being able to control the thoughts is the hardest thing to do because these easily develop into silly emotions... One example is the fact that I feel this compulsion to explain things to people who I know are thinking wrong and have their facts completely spun out of logic (in this case I would be criticising) so I want to help them and my intentions are good yet I am upset that people choose to be ignorant, or they feel the need to 'double talk' (which really gets me going...) because then I have to remind myself that each and everyone of us has to make their own mistakes and learn and evolve as a consequence, it's not for me to preach to them. Never the less I feel frustrated that people choose to be ignorant and as Billy once said ignorance is chosen stupidity. I guess there might be a bit of ego at play here, but not entirely because my intentions are always positive but I guess not everybody wants to hear the truth so I figured. It's like Dyson feels the need to correct and translate and put every word in its right place, so I too feel like I must do the right thing except I know that I shouldn't....but I must... but I shouldn't because therefore I am 'judging' and I musn't do that either. It's a very difficult exercise to practice and be constantly aware of oneself thoughts and feelings because each and every action and thought we have, we have as a result of our own judgement of what our eyes can see and what our ears can hear. Positive criticisim was always my preferred approach to life and I find that children accept corrections easier than adults, naturally. "Every positive, good criticism in regard to mistakes and wrongs must always be based on effective facts and thereby on absolute truth, whereby the person exercising the criticism must be completely free from the critically contested things which are pointed out in the neighbor". I think this verse is almost impossible to achieve because we don't know all the facts about the person we are talking to and so I think that we might as well stay quiet for fear of saying something wrong, somtimes silence speaks volumes. I would really appreciate if there were more articles in that vein this Modus Operanti. I feel that these are very important for everyday living, for myself and others too just as the article "Honesty" by Philia Stauber. I feel that such important articles can be very helpful given the fact that many people from varied backgrounds read them especially the English translations, hence it may help them master the courage to think and do things differently thus hopefully expanding the conscious awarness of creating Peace and freedom of thought and taking responsibility for one's life. Bianca | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2006 |
Generalization is one of the barriers to proper communication. Why should the Semjase (being so-called wise) indulge in such talk at all? Junior, I don't think only humans but even the Plejarens would look for explntion if we said anythin negative of em. That too Semjase's remarks on people of the Earth are real bad and over exaj, we don really know what the Plejarens were in their times of war. And how do we know that when Semjase said things about the Jews she was only speaking about a few of them, were in Billy's notes is a thing like dat mentioned (that she was not speaking about everyone), or is dis another assump. we take to save the Plej. Living under technology is easy, that doesn't mean you are evolved, that just means you have pampered ur body and mind. I can't say anything about the Pleajren thinking, I don't know about their math and science, they would be pretty advance, but Semjase got her brain damaged so easily, dat jus sowz watta weak skull she's got, I jus hope she's recoverin. Even technology no matter how gud shouldn't be lik it makz ur muscles and bones weak. Know wat m sayin? The Plej. say that evolution should not be forced an stuff and they keep givin us these stuff we should and shuld-not do. Da advises are okay, but they somewhat seem like they are forcin it on uz. Thats because I don't see a quez and answer form of the contact notes, its like Smejase goes blah blah blah on the Creation laws or watever and Billy juz listens. Semjase speaks like she knows us humans in and out and thats somethin I don like, coz she doesn't really know us. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Peter, Thank you for your response, you said “shame on you for assuming others have not thought of this. have some confidence in your fellow neighbours” I am just trying to make a point since it is not the first time somebody comes up and says why is Billy or the Plejarens generalizing things.. that’s is why I mentioned it, and if you know that already then ignore my point because you already know it. I thought it should have been clear what is addressed to you and what is addressed to Celestialbrother, in my post 151, I didn’t think I would have to split every thing into two parts. I just sometimes get annoyed by people just reading the English sources and start talking and coming up with theories as if they know the whole deal, I know German and read a few books and I am still far from knowing what the whole deal is about. So till then I won’t come to the forum and waste time talking about theories about things, that in most cases wont change any thing, I would rather spend the time reading what’s there and asking questions of things that are not clear if needed and not coming up with theories, about how the Plejarens think or trying to understand their actions by coming up with theories that in most cases just confuses things even more. *This is my own opinion…* It seems like you misunderstood me (read my last paragraph again, post 151), I wasn’t saying that you have to learn German, and Billy and FIGU also don’t say you have to do this or that, they advise you. So my advice to every one before sitting on your chair and start to imagine theories of how you think things are because you are bored or something, spend more time reading the sources first hand, instead of coming up with theories that just confuse the whole message and mission and fellow readers and members. PS: Dyson, your link didn’t open.. Salome, Badr | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 01-2004 |
hello junior, i think both of us misunderstand each other somewhat, for example... when i say that i dont have to learn german, i do not mean that you are telling me i have to and that i dont want to. you know what i mean? i can see it from your point of view, i can understand where you are coming from. also i think that if i were you i would'nt preoccupy myself with things that annoy me or bother me. if one cant tell truth from fiction one does not deserve the truth in question. sorry if i said this or that what you said was a shame, it really was'nt shameful, but neither was it beautiful. i respect criticism, i also respect my own opinions. i cant read german, so i cant read the sources you sepak of... i have to read the clouds and the birds etc. i'd like to learn german, but there are other all encompasing priorities in my mind. i have to do something in this life to take all of humankind one step foreward, not just me. maybe when im older i will sit down and learn german well. i understand these ways to act and behave are only suggestions passed on by billy. i think it is okay to make a mistake and work through it. therfore i think it is okay to ponder things and share ideas. realistically, you have no single shred of physical proof in your hand of the existance of a plejaren, so for you to even speak about any material relating to what ptaah or this and that person said is pretty illogical , so for you to get worked up over somebody mis quoting indierectly someone you have no proof of being alive, you really are sitting in your own urine. what do you think a plejaren is thinking in regards to people who treat them like they do exist without a doubt, yet have not ever met a plejaren face to face... yes, i too feel they are real, but there is no experieence to back it up, only a feeling that they are real based on perhaps impulses rooted in the spirit and conclusions rooted in logic. look at what happend when the plejarens apparently came to earth and defined humans by the plejaren logic? not all truthful conclusions. sorry, a bit of trailing off in thougths there, but i had to put in some plejaren info/discussion. i hope you see what i mean by all this, that 1. i dont mean to offend you and 2., while one is teaching one lesson, one is missing out on a dozen lessons him or herself. have a good day, i will try to understand you better in the future. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 614 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hiya, Norm! Howya been? I reply here to http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/46.html?1174846523#POST26214 Ptaah mentioned the "our women are not without a certain vanity" and sometimes color their hair, but I don't understand why that's OK, but face paint is not. Hair colorings there are reportedly for medicinal reasons, and can prevent headaches. (?) All terrestrial hair-colorings have been tested as dangerous to health here. (Have stupefying effects, etc.) I don't remember reading anything about Plejaren feminine fashion, but I think Semjase said (about 30 years ago) that Earthlings would be wearing more practical (less fashionable) clothing in about 50 years. One-piece jumpsuits and that sort of thing. Maybe after WWIII? Cheers! Dyson P.S. There is something over on Mission:misc. from me in response to some of the above posts. | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Peter, One thing that I like in this forum, is how most of us communicate, occasionally things get out of hand, but still most of the time one is able to clear ones differences and to understand/respect each others opinions. At this point in time most of us have other things to deal with in fixing our material existence be it a job or a roof on ones head, but I guess one thing that most of us are working on is trying to find a balanced life, and help others on the way. True we all don’t have any solid proof of the Plejarens existence, we only have what Billy tells us is their words and some of their behaviors, personally I have not have had time to read the 9 books of contact notes yet in detail, therefore I am not able to give an opinion about the Plejarens or others from the federation. The way I see it, if somebody wants to give an opinion about the Plejarens they should have at least read all the contact notes, to be able to give an opinion that is worth while. My intentions were also not to offend you, but there are something’s better left to ones own imagination, as it might confuse others in search for the truth. And I respect your ambitions in bringing humanity a step forward.. When talking to people I always like to reflect on how I dealt with a situation if there is any thing to learn from. And most of the time I find something. Thank you, you too have a nice day, and a good start into the week… Salome, Badr | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 617 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys, There's a new artcle by Billy in Stimme der Wassermannzeit that explains that nothing can be proven by anybody to another person. Proof can only be proven to one's SELF. In the same way, it seems logical that nobody can really "teach". All we can ever hope to do is help others to learn, that is; teach themselves. I hope to translate Billy's new article as soon as I make time to do it. This is worth a read: www.gaiaguys.net/meier.truth.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2006 |
Billy and Truth go hand in hand. That short piece was definitely worth reading, thanks Dyson. "Therefore he(earth human) has turned to the erroneous form of thinking", man, that is soo deep... I have read somewhere, that the only way to think coherently, is not to think at all. ( In other words, to shut off the internal dialogue) Our minds need to be flooded by inner silence, (according to this person). Anyway, what I was about to say is... The Pleijaren don't use fuel like they do on Starwars, right? So, what does their fuel look like, where does it come from, and most importantly, why can't we see it, why aren't we aware of it? Under extreme circumstances the earth human can perceive these energy strands directly as it flows in the universe. Unfortunately, these people don't usually share their experiences, because of obvious reasons, like ridicule for instance. We all know that action speak louder than words, right, so today, instead of uselessly trying to explain it verbally, i am going to give it to you, straight from the horse's mouth.  Could this be the reason why they still fly? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 628 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Jacobus! Nice picture! How'd you do that? www.gaiaguys.net/csetineedstoknow.htm has some leads on the P's power sources. It ain't oil! Cheers! Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2006 |
It was drawn with a mouse using photoshop. An animated version of this image would be more truthful, because these intertwining filaments "were" not standing still, they were(are) constantly changing position. But obviously, nothing of what I am presenting here can accurately describe this mystery. That is really why people stay quiet, it is utterly useless even to attempt to describe "it", because through the process, something extraordinary is turned into something ordinary. But thanks for the link Dyson, definitely worth reading. Why is the Disclosure project ignoring the most important information? Were CSETI created so that attention could be diverted away from Billy, away from essential truth, and towards disinformation? There is something fishy about SCETI. If you take the initials "CSETI" , mix it up a bit, you get "SECT I", which could, and probably does stand for "sectarian intelligence". (Just a theory) | ||
Robert_p New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2007 |
Does anyone know anything about the Plejaren Mothership stationed in our solar system, and whether it is visible in the night sky ? I had an experience that was rather shocking one night, about 15 years ago. And then an entirely different experience in day light hours, in a very remote area when I was at work in my forestry job in the Northern region of British Columbia Canada. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 631 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jacobus, "Why is the Disclosure project ignoring the most important information?" The DP confines itself to ex military-corporate-intelligence service deep insider whistleblowers, so some Swiss civilian or a united federation of independent extraterrestrial planetary inhabitants making formal contact with Earth therefore do not fit into those categories are of no possible interest whatsoever to CSETI. They are Age of Horus people now. "Were CSETI created so that attention could be diverted away from Billy, away from essential truth, and towards disinformation?" I'm not sure that it was specifically created for that reason, but that is what it has become. "SECT I"? Interesting! :-) It is certainly a sect, but without the intelligence. "Fishy"? Very. They lie about their (scientific) methodology, and their mission goals. Dear Robert_p, It's not stationed in our solar system, thus not visible from Earth. Even if they did come close, I think they would remain out of sight. There is a lot of deception going on from the terrestrial military/industrial complex. Salome, Dyson | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2006 |
So, if CSETI wasn't intentionally created for that purpose, then does the possibility exist that they could have been hijacked somehow, infiltrated by malevolent forces? All this scepticism is based on their response from the link you gave me to read, Dyson. “We are teaching people to do the contact work for themselves and not rely on other people. The Billy Meier materials aren't appropriate for us to use as witness materials in the Disclosure project since we are using only military and government witnesses.” I think that Cseti are well aware of the consequences that would unfold, if they decided to support the Billy Meier case. They are a bunch of liars, claiming to be risking their necks, when in actual fact, they are doing humanity a disservice by not mentioning the Billy Meier evidence. "The Billy Meier materials aren't appropriate for us", even though they claim to be "fully disclosing the facts about UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligences" Are they not contradicting themselves? And whats up with that Phil Schneider bloke? Was he part of the original team? If the Disclosure Project supports the claims that this man has made, claims that suggest that the Plejarens are "from the Pleiades star cluster" and that aliens "use our glandular secretions as part of their food base", then there is nothing more to say, besides that this "project" supports nothing more than disinformation, confusion and fear. | ||
Artie3000 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2007 |
To Eduard Billy Meier High Council of Andromeda People in the rank of Jshwsh of planet Erra Nation of Planet Erra Nation of Timars of Dal Universe Nations of Interplanetary Federation I would like to forward accolades and highest respect, in my modest name and all people of good will of planet Earth.For all those years of bringing help in spiritual teachings, inspirations, meditations and protecting our planet from cosmic threats. It is topmost time for all people of planet Earth to recognize You as teachers and advisors, where is possible partnership and cooperation at the level of honest diplomacy. It is topmost day for all my compatriots to gain very valuable ability to learn and listen to wisers and more advanced ones, that is from You. I hope that the day when conditions on planet Earth to see You and make You very welcome will not be too distant. With Great Respect Arthur Europe Continent Planet Earth Sol System | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1113 Registered: 02-2000 |
People that live out side of the USA don't seem to understand the damage Kal K. Korff & his Repeater Parrots have done to the credibility of the Billy Meier case. All major USA UFO Organizations & so-called Professional UFO Researchers slam Billy over & over using Korffs material. They don't even do their own research on the case anymore plus they wouldn't even bother to look at the case today. As far as they are concerned the Meier Case is a proven fake with many holes in it & that this case has been solved & closed for years. If I were starting a USA UFO witness disclosure type group like Greers. I sure can see why he wouldn't want to touch the Meier case if at all possible. All it does is get the entire USA UFO community & USA News community against the new group & you will never even get in the door. Steven Greer is a genius for ignoring the Billy Meier case because he knows what will happen to his group if he doesn't. So maybe we need to applaud the different approach that Greer has taken instead of slamming him or accusing him of being a part of some conspiracy. Example: The Billy Meier case hits the news with a short news story, then just MAYBE it causes a stir with the public & media. So then the News Media calls all the so-called top USA UFO researchers to interview (Stanton Friedman, Bruce Macabbe, etc etc. and they'll repeat Korffs crap but don't mention Korff name & add their uneducated opinions to the mix. Or they mix up other stories with Billy's like abductions or they steer the topic to some other place like the military. Then they bring on the Skeptics like Michael Shermer, Nasa's James Oberg, Joe Nickell, Robert Baker or in the old days a Philip Klass , to put the slam dunk on Billy & every other UFO case. So by the end of the show the UFO stories are ALL fake. The people leave their TV & go back to their 9-5 jobs & their six packs, Sports & Soap shows. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 641 Registered: 03-2004 |
Sorry, Jacobus - can you just refresh my memory please? Who is Phil Schneider and how does he fit into CSETI? Yes. It appears to have been hijacked. The efforts to infiltrate any genuine organisation are HUGE and this has been done by guile, ("charm offensives"). If you read our articles, you can see who's behind it. They target "Plieadians" in particular and add toxic pinches of lies to what is otherwise true, when not outright falsifying. But the judeo/christian ethic preludes their effective opposition. Salome, Dyson | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 01-2006 |
Norm, wasn't Steven Greer given the 'green light' by the powers that be to go ahead with his UFO Discloser. How do you know if they gave him the green light only if he didn't mention the Billy Meier UFO contact case? | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2006 |
Well, Phil was just a guy who claimed to have been attacked by grey aliens. who cares? Honestly, it is a wast of time, obviously there was something terribly wrong with the poor bloke. Did you know that, at the age of 22, Dr. Steven M. Greer, moved to Israel and lived there for three years, working at the world headquarters of the Bahá'í religion on Mount Carmel in Haifa?This guy is not what he appears to be...(So, the possibility does then exist that CSETI could have indeed been created for that purpose of diverting essential attention away from Billy Meier's evidence.) Steven Greer just don't want us to know about his little secret. SO...for a belief system that accepts the validity of most of the major religions, what would be considered it's greatest threat? What would become their greatest enemy? Well, undeniable truth that will prove that worldwide religion is just a fallacy. It would not surprise me a bit if it was one day discovered that a sect like this one, was behind some of the assassination attempts made on Billy's life. The Bahá'ís believe in a single, imperishable God, the creator of all things, including all the creatures and forces in the universe. TheBahá'í teachings also state that "God is too great for humans to fully comprehend" Does all this rubbish ring a bell?  The haykal (Arabic: "temple"), a five-pointed star, was established by the Báb. He wrote many letters, tablets, prayers and more in the shape of a star.  And the famous ringstone symbol The lower line is said to represent humanity, the upper line God, and the middle line represents the special station of Manifestation of God. The vertical line is the Primal Will or Holy Spirit proceeding from God through the Manifestations to humanity ...mmm, I don't see anything wrong with that. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1136 Registered: 12-1999 |
This topic area is for the discussion of the Plejarens | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 645 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jacobus, I've gone over to FIGU's Discussion Board » General Area » Non-FIGU Related » Religion with my reply to you. Dyson | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 04-2006 |
I never read or heard anywhere what the Plejaren's thoughts are of Billy's spirit books. Have they read them, and have they taken them back to Erra? Have they learnt anything new from them too? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Matt In Contact 328.29 (April 2002) onward, Ptaah thanks Billy on behalf of the Erran Spiritleaders (Geistführerschaft)for the spirit lessons he has given to them, that he had produced in the previous 78 days or so -- that were of high quality and value, and that they had not had access to before. He goes on to say that as Billy is the only one who can access the storage banks of Nokodemjon, Henok, and Henoch, that he alone is able to give them the lessons contained there and that Billy is the most knowledgeable on such matters over the 29,000 Spiritleaders and Ischwischs on Erra. The Spiritleaders on Erra do not have access to this information, and so the Spiritleaders collectively and unanimously decided that Billy should be their official and uppermost advisor. This is because many questions have arisen from the lessons given, and Billy is deemed to be the one to explain them. This is my understanding of the translated text. I have not included the German, however will, if anyone would like to see it. in peace Robjna | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2005 |
I'd be honored as well indi to read that also german included..my email if needed is chase747@aol.com.. The Law of Love places the welfare and the concern and feelings for others above self, it is that close affinity with all forces that we associate with being good.The law of Love denies a place for evil in the world, that resists not. Love offers the path of least resistance by cherishing, nurturing and protecting the beloved.Resist NOT evil. Expose it YES | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2007 |
Wonder then if Billy and Christian answer questions from the Erran Discussion Forum? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 737 Registered: 03-2004 |
This is in reply to postings on the Translations page @ http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi Dear Bob, You write: “…do you know if they have used more specific language in the German to express the concept of "sarcasm" and, if so, its possible impact on the psyche?” Short answer: no. But you raise an interesting issue. Of course Billy is first and foremost an Earthman, and (like me) quite enjoys exercising his terrestrial “natural barbarism” when it suits him. We Earthlings are not Plejaren, and we do not share their high culture, tastes, or sense of humor. Billy often teases Ptaah for being humorless. According to the early contact notes, the Plejaren say that – after dealing with Billy’s sometimes sly wit and often refreshingly earthy (no pun intended) style of behavior for a while - the Plejaren collectively came to the realization that they has “positively degenerated” in the direction of being to buttoned down with the expression of their emotions. They then launched a planet-wide campaign to get everybody to unwind a bit, loosen up, and feel more free to express their emotions more openly. But they are not without humor. Quite the contrary, in my opinion, and humor traditionally is at the expense of those among us who are somewhat developmentally challenged (dumb). So Semjase and the gang must have wet themselves laughing during the flight demonstrations while making their beamships swing back and forth and oscillate like a hubcap on string. Semjase, believe it or not, is a bit of a tease. When she took Billy on his Great Space Journey, she told him he’d be gone for a day, so he squared it with his rather critical wife. Semjase neglected to tell Billy that – although he would be gone for a day, the trip itself would last a week, due to their concomitant time travel. After many hours, Billy glanced at his watch and expressed dismay that his wife would be angry that he was not home, to which Semjase feigned indifference, saying it didn’t matter. Billy replied, “You don’t know my wife! She can be an entire Greek chorus!” Semjase continued to let the poor man suffer until she informed him of the time-travel component of the trip. That degree of what can only be seen as cruel humor surprised me, but – who knows? – it might have been a cunning strategy to de-deify the (then) demi-goddess. And she said she laughed at the expression on that fighter pilot’s face when she cooked his camera circuitry. Billy also evidently delights in teasing some of the more stuffy and overconfident extraterrestrials with little inside jokes which go way over their heads. He particularly likes to tease the young women, it seems. A universal male fault perhaps? I think it was Florina and others who sent up Quetzal’s idiosyncratic German, and Sfath used to make the others laugh with his perfect Swiss-German dialect. Swiss-German sound very funny to native German speakers. Anyway, to answer your question a little further Bob, I don’t remember any discussions of the impact of sarcasm on the psyche in the notes, but the psyches of the advanced ETs seem proportionally advanced, and probably equally robust, and although I’ve seen (read about) Ptaah getting quite angry at times, and using (for him) rather strong language, I don’t ever think sarcasm accompanied it. It is, after all, the lowest form of wit, and he is, after all, a god of wisdom. I don’t remember any puns either, which is a little unexpected, and would be a less punishable offense, in my view. Dear Norm, Of course you are quite right. They are not omniscient. Like us, they are only human. P.S. Further reading: “…the ability to understand sarcasm depends on a carefully orchestrated sequence of complex cognitive skills in specific parts of the brain.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,1489902,00.html Cheers! Dyson | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 06-2006 |
So, Dyson what kind of jokes do our space friends enjoy? Whats the natural barbarism you mentioned, I didn't quiet understand it in full detail. | ||
Deeh Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2000 |
Hi Spaceman, I believe Billy was once told they see humor in acts that are not logical. For instance someone once stole an elephant from a zoo. A totally illogical act since "what do you do with it then'? they thought this was humorous. Dee | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2007 |
According to the early contact notes, the Plejaren say that – after dealing with Billy’s sometimes sly wit and often refreshingly earthy (no pun intended) style of behavior for a while - the Plejaren collectively came to the realization that they has “positively degenerated” in the direction of being to buttoned down with the expression of their emotions. They then launched a planet-wide campaign to get everybody to unwind a bit, loosen up, and feel more free to express their emotions more openly. That has got to be one of the most interesting things I’ve read in a long time! I can just visualize them repeating “Billyisms”! Billy replied, “You don’t know my wife She can be an entire Greek chorus ” That is SO vaudevillian. I can see his next one-liner: “Take my wife... PLEASE!” ;-) Bob | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 06-2005 |
I would like to add my thoughts to Bob's comment which made me laugh; as I was reading Dyson's post I wondered if such information will actually make people feel more accepting of the fact that that there are other races out there and that they are Human Indeed, just like we are. As to their humour I think it makes the whole notion so much more realistic and inviting which is naturally without under tones of competition nor malice. There is joy and harmony instead because everyone wants to learn something new! Still I would like to know what they did to get their people to 'unwind', maybe there still is hope for this civilization? But in the meantime my advice would be: Do NOT watch telelvision nor listen to the radio or become a discerning listener because all the info. we receive is filled regularly with doses of daily fear which creates bad vibrations around us and affects us on the sub-conscious level and then we become confused, angry, anxious and the ego takes off and we feel helpless and hopeless etc, etc... Instead why not listen to Michael Horn's music CD and let the imagination take you away~~~~ | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dyson, you say that we Earth humans don't have a share of the high culture, tastes or sense of humour of the Plejarens. What do you mean by this. I just see our sense of humour as different from theirs, not that they are 'higher', whatever that is supposed to mean in this context. Speaking about culture, what do they have 'higher' than us? Billy hasn't mentioned their art or dances. He hasn't recorded a music of theirs so that we may listen to it, so how can we judge? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Melli, I disagree with your concept of tuning out TV and radio. Although I do not watch TV( except at other peoples homes) I listen to various radio programs. We need to hone our critical thinking skills and to look past this type of thinking and use the streaming, agenda laden source as a tool in that respect. Anything less is shortsighted. We must be able to filter out the bits of real truth in the information available. Garbage in, should become garbage out, and any truth retained. Sense their tactics of fear. Separate what they input for your programming and use it to know their game plans. To not be involved otherwise is sure to not be healthy. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hey Spaceman are you TerraX that used to be on this board? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 740 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Spaceman, You ask, “So, Dyson what kind of jokes do our space friends enjoy?” The existence of this forum would be a good example of their evident universal human hilarity at the expense of the stupid, but for all-out belly laughs, how could we go past the “Wedding Cake” beamship topic? www.gaiaguys.net/meier.v7p406,7&460,1.htm You ask, “Whats the natural barbarism you mentioned, I didn't quiet understand it in full detail.” I’ve answered this question here before. You can either search this forum for “natural barbarism” or read And Still They Fly, or go to www.gaiaguys.net/ET-ETHICS.htm You continue, “Dyson, you say that we Earth humans don't have a share of the high culture, tastes or sense of humour of the Plejarens. What do you mean by this.” I wrote, “ … we do not share their high culture, tastes, or sense of humor.” I didn’t say, “that we Earth humans don't have ->A<- share of the high culture, tastes or sense of humour of the Plejarens.” This is a small but not insignificant semantic difference in your misquoting me. But – very obviously - we are very less highly spiritually (and as pertains to consciousness) evolved than they are, and our culture (such as it is) naturally reflects this ineluctable fact. We are taught that planetary inhabitants are not considered fully human until they accept the obvious truth that they are not the only humans in the universe. I have confidence in the integrity of the Plejaren and have no reason to doubt that they represent the other extreme end of the spectrum. We can learn from them if we want to. You say, “I just see our sense of humour as different from theirs, not that they are 'higher', whatever that is supposed to mean in this context.” You are evidently unfamiliar with the material, or you would probably not hold that view. In broad brushstrokes, I could sum it up this way - they are generous, modest and diligent. We are selfish, high-handed and apathetic. No personal offence intended, Spaceman, just the painful truth. We even laugh when other humans HURT themselves! Do you have a “Funniest Home Videos” program on TV where you live, Spaceman. (I’m assuming you’re an Earthling. You seem like one.) “Speaking about culture, what do they have 'higher' than us?” Ummm. Is this a trick question? :-) It would be easier if you asked me “What DON’T they have higher than us?”, so I could just answer, “Nothing, in so far as I am aware, except stuff like traffic accidents, crime and violence statistics, and so on.” “Billy hasn't mentioned their art or dances.” This is something that is dealt with to some extent in OM, and full humans have very strong feelings about – for instance – dance. I personally think that that is one area where this forum is not yet “ripe” to be told about that from me. But if you are curious, do as I did. Buy the book if you want to know this stuff, but just because you don’t know the material, please don’t simply state that “Billy hasn't mentioned their art or dances” in such a way that you mislead other ignoramuses here that this information has not been delivered to those who have made the effort to read it. “He hasn't recorded a music of theirs so that we may listen to it, so how can we judge” Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/meier.truth.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 06-2006 |
Vestri, I am not Terrax. Why did you think so? Dyson, About 'Earth' culture, just what do we mean when we say that. There are so many cultures in Earth, there is nothing like Earth culture. You say, we are less spiritually evolved than they are, I agree a great number of people of earth are, but again you can't generalize that all are. There is always this relating of technology with Spiirituality. Here is, my question is what is the level of spirituality of the Plejarens? They live under technology, many problems are easily solved due to this. Does their MIND evolve as a result of this? If a Plejaren was left in a jungle (without technology) his survival skills would be put to test, in such conditions would he survive the heat, and the climate? I don't think so. The Plejarens are too protected by their technology. Dyson you say 'We even laugh when other humans HURT themselves! Do you have a “Funniest Home Videos” program on TV where you live, Spaceman' Answer: NO, I don't find those shows amusing either. We humans are varied, we are all diferent races, unlike the Plejarens who are essentially one race (?). Semjase continued to let the poor man suffer until she informed him of the time-travel component of the trip Do we not see Semjase finding amusement at Billy's suffering? Dyson, you say, 'I could sum it up this way - they are generous, modest and diligent. We are selfish, high-handed and apathetic' Don't you think this is a brash comment, what do you know of the Plejarens. What is Semjase diligent in? After being entitled as a 'cosmonaut' she makes a mistake of killing a dear in a reverse or whatever. And, how much of what's happening in their sphere do we know about? I am sorry, but to me it seems 'weird' that one party comes in this manner and they know nothing that I ask of, in Hindu mythology directly relating to the Pleiades and yet they claim that they have a record of all thats happening on Earth. I can't really say that Plejaren's are NOT selfish, we just don't have anything (physically) that they want. And Dyson, I am sorry for you that you have such a low view about Earth humans. Pleajren's generous, where from did you get that. Humans generous, yes, that is how countries like Somalia, Ethiopia are still coming up. Dyson, My mistake I should have said that 'Billy hasn't said anything about their dances and arts', but as their was no talk about it I said so. Excuse me. I try to find the books, but there aren't availiable here where I live currently. One forum member asked in the round of questions for Billy to make the contact notes and books availiable for free on the internet. I think that would be a good idea, it would be availiable to all. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 554 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Dyson you said in post 737....... she told him he’d be gone for a day, so he squared it with his rather critical wife. Semjase neglected to tell Billy that ?although he would be gone for a day, the trip itself would last a week, due to their concomitant time travel. ................ In contact 31 of 'great journey' part 3 thought transmission (Tuesday, 16 September 1975) from 17th of July 1975 aboard the Great Spacer, it is written This great journey has lasted for more than 2 earth days (by meier's watch) and another day will be needed "before we will bring you back", Meier worried about his wife's complaints of him missing fro more than 3 days, Semjase reassures him that they will undertake a time travel which will result in him only appearing to have been away from home for 24 hours. ................................ I know its just a small error but I am uncertain as to Wendelle's or yours. :-) Thanks Dyson cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 746 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Matt, What sharp eyes you have! It’s hard to say exactly how all the blame should be apportioned to this, but I’ll accept some of it, since I was operating from memory of page 205 in And Still They Fly, “Billy had such a thick beard it seemed as if he had not shaved for an entire week.” “This extraordinary excursion, never before granted to an earth person, lasted as long as five Earth days. The fact that Billy, despite a five-day absence, returned home twenty-two hours later is extraordinarily puzzling.” You wrote that Wendelle wrote, “Meier worried about his wife's complaints of him missing for more than 3 days”. 5 is “more than 3”. No big deal, but the devil IS in the details, (and there are a LOT of them!) so keep your eyes peeled and let me know if I get it wrong again, thanks, matey! I’ll be more careful next time. :-) Dear Spaceman, You write, “Dyson, About 'Earth' culture, just what do we mean when we say that. There are so many cultures in Earth, there is nothing like Earth culture.” -> Spaceman, try to uses common sense. We are discussing the culture of one planet compared to the culture of another, not the different cultures on the one planet Earth. Earth has a collective culture, as do other planets. Of course everybody knows that there are so many cultures on our planet, but – as a whole – I think it’s safe to make the generalization that Earthlings are - by and large, on the whole, collectively speaking – greedy, destructive, underhanded, treacherous, suicidally-overcrowded, hateful, soft, stupid, ignorant/arrogant, parochial and terminally lazy, not to mention violent, selfish and very short-lived/short-sighted and afflicted with a nauseatingly religious canine humility and entrenched materialism. We soak our overworked soil in the blood of ubiquitous, never-ending, mindless, vengeful, global religious/sectarian wars and conflict. Half the planet wallows in overstuffed obesity while the other half starves to death. Our best and brightest are traditionally cut down in their prime and those with the very darkest imaginations rise to the top like the scum that they are. That what I mean when I use the expression “Earth culture”. And I am also sorry that I hold this view, but it is arrived at logically and I do not resile from it one jot. You write, “You say, we are less spiritually evolved than they are, I agree a great number of people of earth are, but again you can't generalize that all are.” Spaceman, what do you think a generalization IS? Africans are generally darker-skinned that Scandinavians, but that does not mean that every African is darker-skinned than every Scandinavian. Do we have a language problem here? You write, “There is always this relating of technology with Spiirituality. Here is, my question is what is the level of spirituality of the Plejarens?” Spaceman, if you read and understand the spiritual information, you will quickly come to the realization that their level of their spirituality is profound to the point where we can hardly conceive of it. You write, “They live under technology, many problems are easily solved due to this.” Spaceman, please don’t put the cart before the horse. Earthlings also have a high level of technology (mind-control, free energy devices, antigravity, electromagnetic panaceas, etc. etc. etc.) but what do WE do with it? Do we solve our collective problems with it or do we just exacerbate them? You write, “Does their MIND evolve as a result of this?” Spaceman, please put the cart behind the horse. Their freely available constructive technology is a result of the evolution of their minds, just as our suppressed and secret weaponised technology is a result of the level of evolution of OUR minds. You write, “If a Plejaren was left in a jungle (without technology) his survival skills would be put to test, in such conditions would he survive the heat, and the climate? I don't think so. The Plejarens are too protected by their technology.” Spaceman, you are very obviously very unfamiliar with the material, and the nature of the Plejaren, so I don’t see a lot of point in trying to point out to you how silly this idea of yours is. They continuously bemoan how soft and degenerate Earthlings are and how we have separated ourselves from nature. I think they would do very well naked in a jungle as opposed to some soft, flabby, air-conditioned Earthling who has never taken off his shoes, never held a hoe in his smooth white hands, and thinks that the light of Creation shines out of his pressure-sored backside. You write, “Dyson you say 'We even laugh when other humans HURT themselves! Do you have a “Funniest Home Videos” program on TV where you live, Spaceman' Answer: NO, I don't find those shows amusing either. We humans are varied, we are all diferent races, unlike the Plejarens who are essentially one race (?).” Listen, Spaceman. You’re the nameless space-man. I’m the real Earth-man. I am only too aware that we are varied. You are the one asking about my planet, not me. At least you know about terrestrial entertainment, but you still seem unable to understand that what appeals in general does not mean that it appeals to every individual. But according to the FIGU literature, which I think you should read, we Earthlings are NOT of different races (or subspecies, to use a more scientific term) but are all the same race, that differentiation being defined by number and placement of limbs and facial features, etc., not dermal pigmentation. You write, “’Semjase continued to let the poor man suffer until she informed him of the time-travel component of the trip’ Do we not see Semjase finding amusement at Billy's suffering?” Please draw the reasonable distinction between, on one hand, gentle teasing between two affectionate humans which elicits mild and very temporary and harmless psychic angst, and, on the other hand, serious physical trauma delivered for the sake of public amusement and commercial profit. I should have originally said that Semjase – who Billy has gently teased on more than one occasion himself – was scolded by her father, who told then Billy about the time travel shortly thereafter. You write, “Dyson, you say, 'I could sum it up this way - they are generous, modest and diligent. We are selfish, high-handed and apathetic' Please, Spaceman. If you genuinely are seeking clarity, STOP mis-quoting me. Are you just trying to discredit and publicly humiliate yourself, or are you also here to waste my valuable time? I wrote, in reply to your very general question which demanded another generality, “IN BROAD BRUSHSTROKES, I could sum it up this way - they are generous, modest and diligent. We are selfish, high-handed and apathetic. No personal offence intended, Spaceman, just the painful truth.” You write, “Don't you think this is a brash comment, what do you know of the Plejarens.” I do not think it is brash at all, Spaceman, unless you have your own idiosyncratic definition of the word “brash” of which I am unfamiliar. I have read a very great deal about the Plejaren, and - unlike terrestrials – they are very very good at communicating, so I have been able to form a very cogent and lucid picture of them simply by combining the logic and wisdom granted me by Creation and my own hard work. That is the only way you will learn about the Plejaren. I cannot tell you in such a way that you will learn. You write, “What is Semjase diligent in?” She studied hard to achieve the designation goddess of wisdom (JHRH). See? www.gaiaguys.net/OM.K49.htm and she is diligent in persisting with her role in the mission despite all the attacks, all the slander, all the difficulties, in order to get his information to us. Earth people would have given up in DISGUST. You write, “After being entitled as a 'cosmonaut' she makes a mistake of killing a dear in a reverse or whatever.” She is not a perfect deity. She is only human and subject to making mistakes and having accidents just like all humans everywhere. At least she doesn’t kill dear for FUN the way Earthlings do. (No, Spaceman. Before you object, I am not saying that you are a “sports” dear-hunter.) Mistakes are vital for our evolution. You write, “And, how much of what's happening in their sphere do we know about?” As above. They are very very good at communicating, and I am logical enough to have confidence in their integrity. You write, “I am sorry, but to me it seems 'weird' that one party comes in this manner and they know nothing that I ask of, in Hindu mythology directly relating to the Pleiades and yet they claim that they have a record of all thats happening on Earth.” You’ve finally lost me, Spaceman. How have you arrived at your conclusions? You write, “I can't really say that Plejaren's are NOT selfish, we just don't have anything (physically) that they want. And Dyson, I am sorry for you that you have such a low view about Earth humans. Pleajren's generous, where from did you get that. Humans generous, yes, that is how countries like Somalia, Ethiopia are still coming up.” Spaceman, you are right out of your depth here now. You know very little about the information on offer and are not sufficiently logical to even understand that, burdened as you are with your own breathtakingly ignorant erroneous assumptions and dim preconceived notions of reality. Have a read of www.gaiaguys.net/specialbulletin16.htm and try to draw your own conclusions about the nature of profit-driven commercial “aid” organizations. If you don’t think that the hideous suffering and violence in Africa is deliberately engendered by the Oil Oligarchy in order to get their USA/NATO killers into the oilfields then you should spend less time in orbit and re-enter from time to time in order to have a look down here among the killing fields. You write, “Dyson, My mistake I should have said that 'Billy hasn't said anything about their dances and arts'” What you wrote was, “Billy hasn't mentioned their art or dances.” ? Sorry, Spaceman. Reception is poor. You’re breaking up. You write, “ … but as their was no talk about it I said so. Excuse me.” No problems, but bear in mind that there are 24,000 pages in the German language, so it’s not safe to assume that if you haven’t heard talk about it on the English language forum it doesn’t exist. You write, “I try to find the books, but there aren't availiable here where I live currently.” Yeah it’s a bummer that our planet’s international postal service doesn’t deliver to outer space, eh? Next time you visit Earth, pop into the shop in Switzerland, or arrange to have your material delivered to a terrestrial postal address as most of us Earth-humans do. You write, “One forum member asked in the round of questions for Billy to make the contact notes and books availiable for free on the internet. I think that would be a good idea, it would be availiable to all.” This horse has been flogged to death. You can go back and paw through its entrails on this forum, if you feel the need, but I have no intention of trying to give it the kiss of life. Salome, Dyson | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 341 Registered: 09-2000 |
The contact notes give a bunch of examples of the P's humour, if one wishes to look for this. Like the "laughter" over the mothership's intercom, while Billy was "bad-mouthing" the P's leader drawing a comparison to the "old gods" while speaking to Semjase... Billy has his sense of humour as well!! Like bringing a hack saw to a contact, and asking Semjase if he can cut some small "useless" piece off her ship to get a metal sample. Or trying to "hide" someone under a tarp, on his way to a contact, on the back of his moped !?! Other silly stuff also, like Semjase's sister just itching to drive Billy's moped, while Semjase herself wouldn't go near the thing? These are only a very few examples... i'd say that subjective interpretation of all these & other examples makes it so, to get a decent idea on all this, one should read through the contact notes for one's own self. Oh yes... as always, the Stevens' stuff is FULL of errors & omissions, best to read from the original german or at the least, from better translations. Of course, the stuff above is mostly from my interpretation of Stevens' interpretations... etc. Any and all corrections welcome!! Salome, JP | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 750 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, There are heaps of examples of Billy's humor. He's quite well-known for it. But Billy's an Earthling. This one is completely new to me: "Like bringing a hack saw to a contact, and asking Semjase if he can cut some small 'useless' piece off her ship to get a metal sample." ???? Did I fall asleep while reading that???? (It's possible!) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dyson, It seems to me that many Figu members have just started accepting the views of the Plejarens blindly or interpret them in a way that may seem correct. Like the Hebraons being dissolved. You said Spaceman, try to uses common sense. We are discussing the culture of one planet compared to the culture of another, not the different cultures on the one planet Earth. Earth has a collective culture, as do other planets. Of course everybody knows that there are so many cultures on our planet, but – as a whole – I think it’s safe to make the generalization that Earthlings are - by and large, on the whole, collectively speaking – greedy, destructive, underhanded, treacherous, suicidally-overcrowded, hateful, soft, stupid, ignorant/arrogant, parochial and terminally lazy, not to mention violent, selfish and very short-lived/short-sighted and afflicted with a nauseatingly religious canine humility and entrenched materialism I have to disagree with you, perhaps you have met only such people in your life. But, violence, selfishness etc, etc. is not a part of many cultures I know. You can't call that 'Earth Culture', its the culture that you may be exposed to. And when you said that we are comparing one planet's culture with another, I think you again forget that Erra is filled with ONE race, ONE culture. Earth is filled with many, I know you mentioned that Earthlings are ONE race, but Dyson our differences go beyond dermal pigmentation. You can read History books to find how the thinking of different races are. The cultures are so different, you can't possibly club them as one to compare them to that of Erra. To me it is clear that Earthlings are NOT one race, do you think races are only differentiated by pigmentation? Dyson, Semjase is human, why are you referring to her as a deity? Yeah it’s a bummer that our planet’s international postal service doesn’t deliver to outer space Now that’s the humour I enjoy! A word about the deer hunting. The Plejarens say that one needs to eat meat, at the same time hunting is wrong. Did the Plejarens hunt for food, when they didn't have the technology to make meat as they do now? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 556 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Contact 31 Thursday, July 17, 1975, 10.14am The term 'transmit'= timetravelling' Semjase...."Distance are no problem for us and we can unhesitatingly jump anywhere back and forth through space and don't have to do this in any sequence" Great leap (hyperleap) jump 7 minutes into eternity, feeling and sensations at the time are different than in normal material life. During hyperleap, Meier's ecstatic experience in the timelessness. ...................... My assumption is that the plejarens enter the 'fine matter sphere' or the 'spiritual realm' when they transmit (hyperleap) through space without incurring any time loss. Since Semjase told Billy "under no circumstances or conditions are we allowed or able to remain until we have reached that level of consciousness" when during the transmission, Billy was experiencing 'feelings of tranquility and peace, all encompassing love, I am eternity and I am inside of eternity'. So this maybe how millions of times the speed of light can be achieved by the plejarens. Correct me if I am wrong but the speed to which the spirits within the spiritual realm travels is somewhere in the order of 10 to the power of 7000, much the same as the speed of the 'Big Bang'. This indicates that the whole mothership transmitting to any destinations around the universe may somehow replicate the power of the spirit within the spiritual sphere or at least harness the spiritual power within the spiritual realm thereby enabling it to travel so fast around the universe. Dont know, this is just my speculation Cheers Matt | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 342 Registered: 09-2000 |
Thanks for the "heads up" !! It seems i was referring to Stevens book 2, contact 45, page 154. "Semjase- 31/Your question is just remarkably illogical. 32/ Perhaps you have the thought that I could leave a piece of the beamship to you? Meier- Not a bad idea, girl. Let us at once sabre a piece down from it. Do you have a suited saw, or else a suited instrument?" According to this, Billy did NOT bring a hack saw to the contact!! Or if he did, this was not mentioned here. Where i got this, i'm not sure at this point. Perhaps my sometimes over-active imagination? Another story here. Mind you, on the other hand, it could be taken as including humour from Semjase? That is, if Stevens stuff is even close to what was really said. Either way, thanks for the correction, Regards, JP | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 02-2006 |
Spaceman: "Vestri, I am not Terrax. Why did you think so?" Just a whacky idea I had that you and TerraX could be the same person. Both of you are Dutch. Both of you have very (disguised/contrived) idiosyncratic writing styles. Both came onto this scene at the same time. And a while ago you appeared to be all over Dyson like a rash, asking him a LOT of personal questions, which was at the same time that TerraX and Dyson were fighting on various lists. And now your back all over Dyson again like a bad rash, asking him multiple personel questions. I thought maybe you could be playing a game of Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde with Dyson is all. But not to worry because like I said, it was just a passing wacky idea I had was all. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 06-2006 |
Both of you are Dutch What does that mean? Vestri I can tell you that I am not of Dutch descent. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 753 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear (because you cost me so much of my valuable time) Spaceman, Please go back and re-read our dialog very slowly and carefully, and try to think hard about the questions and comments you have just made to my latest reply to you and see of you can figure out where your misunderstandings lie. If you do that thoroughly and diligently and still cannot see where you made your errors, then write me again, and I will patiently try to explain where and how you went wrong. But you should be able to do this yourself. When we are in basic disagreement, try very hard not to twist, in your mind, the things I write in such a way that they may simply seem wrong to you. You may look on this as a test of your thoroughness and logical thinking. But just tell me this, please. Where in the world did you get this? “Like the Hebraons being dissolved.” Certainly not from the Meier material. Salome, Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1131 Registered: 02-2000 |
Spaceman The Plejarens eat meat! My Website | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 343 Registered: 09-2000 |
Do Tx and Spaceman have anything in common? They both sure seem to think & behave the same. Remarkably so, actually. Mind you, Spaceman seems a bit more literate perhaps than Tx. He would lie through his teeth, maybe he's from the CoS. Spaceman if Tx, would do the same. Could this similarity between Tx and Spaceman within "our" perceptions, have anything to do with spirituality? I'm sure it does, somehow. Very unfortunate i'm not able to do the spirit lessons. Looking forward to my next life, in this regard. I really don't think Spaceman will be able to see things any differently than he/she seems to now... perhaps i should cultivate a better sense of optimism? On the other hand, could be a waste to expect so. Maybe. Either way, you guys on this forum have far more patience than i do with guys like Spaceman etc., something for me to aspire towards. Spirit wise even, and all that. In fairness, just one tidbit for Spaceman: There's stuff "we" FIGU (& FIGU friendly) people do not agree on, but there are those among us who recognize this as an expression of our own individualities, which is also within my present understanding of the "Meier info". In other words, if you're looking for a cult or similar, you'll need to go elsewhere. Salome, JP | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 06-2006 |
Norm, I am aware that the Plejarens eat meat, my questions was: wouldn't they have hunted for meat at a time when didn't have the technology to make it genetically. And if hunting (indiscriminate and even otherwise) is wrong, is a vergetarian diet fine. Norm, when the Plejarens said that a vegetarian diet makes a person light-headed, I found it hard to believe because I know many people who are pure vegetarians and they don't suffer from any disorders (mental or physical). I eat meat, but not very often. JP I am from the CoS? Whats that? JP, I am NOT looking for a cult, I find few place where people exchange such ideas, but I do feel that people are easy in accepting what the Plejarens say without thinking for themselves. I don't think Creational laws can be learnt from a book, but rather by experience. I find it ridiculous that we are given things to DO and NOT to DO by some place, as commandments rather than advices, yet I don't see Billy following those rules himself. There is a marriage law that one should divorce, but then Billy himself has divorced thrice (or twice?). | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Spaceman, Am in total agreement with the Creational laws... Also the idea of not just taking everything word for word. For example commandments... directives or advices. Those are semantics. And yes, thinking for ourselves... it's about us... not the Plejaren... but we can indeed learn from them via Billy.  | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2005 |
56. Creation itself never gives commands because it embodies the greatest power in this universe, and never has to resort to commands or religions.  | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2007 |
Scientific statistical studies have been made which prove that people who never eat meat suffer often of dementia (intellective disorders) after 40 years old. Even eat fish is not enough to avoid that. So Plejarens right again. NATURAL HEALTH: WWW.GETPERFECTBODY.COM | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rarena, I don’t understand why you are redundantly posting the peace sign. What is your point? And I question whether you even understand what you are saying when you refer to the “commandments, directives, and advice” as “semantics”. A great deal of time and effort was expended to introduce them to Earthlings sans doute for you to flippantly refer to them as “semantics”. And why do you use this forum as a billboard to advertise a book about the Zeta Reticuli Incident? I think you just like to chase rabbits and want others to chase them with you. Regards Bob | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 560 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Randy Rarena Randy you have done us an enormously displeasurable harm and you should be ashamed of yourself. I am naturally a forgiving person but on this occasion you have brought this group into disrepute. I thought that the mistakes you've made to which Dyson had helped to pointed out and correct, was one of those innocent varieties, but now it appear unequivocally clear that not only was it intentional but malignly spiteful to evoke a reaction of sorts. You should be proud of yourself for having done what already intrenched nefarious machinations of naysayers have not been able to do. You've knocked off Dyson cold straight out of this forum which this whole group now must thank you for. You idiot! Hear this Randy and hear it good, whatever it is that you are hiding behind the veil of your name, your conscience will be the judge of you which you will not be able to hide from one inch. Thanks for f***ing up for everybody here. Now bring us back Dyson, you broke it you fix it! Matt | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 10-2000 |
Matt, Just a thought here. Neither Dyson nor anyone else here, should view themselves as, victims. People are free to come and go, to post what they have to say, correct or erroneous, and it's up to each of us to take responsibility for our thinking, interpretations and understanding. It's also extremely helpful when erroneous thinking is pointed out, of course. Let's see what we can learn from the thinking of others, Dyson's a good thinker, let's study it and evolve our own thinking. Salome, Michael Horn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 561 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Michael It's always a pleasure to hear your wise words Michael. I guess like everybody else here, I am trying to find my way, my way back home. Everybody deserves a chance to find themselves here, who they really are and what existence is all about, that applies to Randy as well. I said my words in frustration in the context of what took place previously in the last couple of months or so that culminated in Dyson leaving this joint. If someone makes an honest mistake, is corrected, atones for it and learns from it, there is no problem there but when somebody deliberately repeats a mistakes for attention or to p**s people off, that in my opinion should draw the only response worthy of the crime. If one has diligently applied one's will to learning, the recognition comes that the truth delivered is not some science fiction novel we read from time to time in front of the fireplace for enjoyment but what is contained therein is real and its some very very serious stuff that we should not ever take lightly and so when we need a mentor like Dyson the most at this critical juncture, if I can use a crude analogy here; us soldiers of truth have not even understood the plain guidance from our general on where we should turn our heads in the direction of the enemies of truth, even if they are right in front of our noses. Would this not be disheartening to the general or what and on the evaluation of the futility of the no win situation, the general decides to look elsewhere to recruit able men who'll help him win the war and thereby relegating the lesser performers to the boot camp. Dyson mentioned that Wendelle hasn't returned his e-mails to him, so that says a lot then and there and for Randy to come in with his recent posts evoking Dyson of what he had been through with him in the past must have surely tested even the most patient individual on this earth. I gather that in fairness to Randy, I am sure other forum members including myself would have contributed in someways in Dyson deciding to leave. I am sure most members here would be thinking "what the heck is this all about" as maybe they might have missed Dyson's last post in the Forum Structure thread. I know life goes on but this forum will never be the same without Dyson. Now the daylight in the maze has turn to dusk and we'll all be tripping over each other in the darkness, wrangling, bickering, ignoring and antagonising over trifles. Good to hear from you Michael and thank you for seeing this situation through my eyes. cheers Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Forum members, My point in displaying the peace sign is to promote peace. The laws of Creation were written in many different languages... far more discriptive than English or German and nothing more should be thought of as hidden or taken out of context. We are on the same side. The force of Creation. The most advanced form of language is the peace sign. The Plejaren have shared it with us. Use it. Respectfully, Randy Arena | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2007 |
Randy, Initially, I was puzzled as to why you kept posting the Peace Symbol. Especially when it had no connection to the context to what you were writing. And then I remembered something I had read in, “The Hidden Persuaders”. You were trying to lend credibility and legitimacy to your posts. The peace symbol is probably the strongest image associated with the Plejarens. It also just happens to be displayed prominently on the Gaiaguys website. Transference of respect and authority? An attempt to elevate your status to Dyson’s? The posting of the Zeta Reticulli Incident was also equally puzzling at first. You offered up a scan photograph of a book jacket without any explanation whatsoever! Who does that? It reminds me of subliminal techniques using images to bypass the critical thinking of the mind. And you knew in the confusion that would follow it would bring up an example where the Plejarens had reversed their stance. It wasn’t your fault. It was the Plejarens fault. Let’s blame the Plejarens for our confusion. I noticed by the posts that followed yours’ that it had the intended result. A classic redirect of blame. But your Waterloo was trying to sell the concept of “commandments, directives, and advice” as “semantics”. You knew it was going to be a hard sell so you couched that bit of disinformation between TWO peace symbols that you managed to post right next to each other. Again, a little odd, but people by now had bought into your simpleton ways that they thought nothing of it. After all, you had survived previous “upsets”. Maybe by now you thought your “innocent persona” was bulletproof. I noticed your post 208 under Pleiadians/Plejarins and post 210 under Creational Laws & Commandments are exactly the same. A very diligent “twinning” technique right out of MKULTRA. You know your stuff. I hope I’m wrong about all of this. That you’re not an agent of disinformation but a simple man like the persona you crafted - but through a series of unfortunate circumstances, just happened to stumble on the same techniques that produce the same results as disinformation. What are the odds? I’m just a simple man like yourself, trying to find the truth. In any case, time will tell. Regards Bob | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 562 Registered: 07-2005 |
Oh Randy randy randy randy oh my oh my oh my Is this the best you could do????? Doesn't your conscience prick even a little??????? After much vexation, inconvenience, damage and heartache you've caused Dyson and thus indirectly to the whole group, this lame response of turning this whole conversation as if it was all about the cover of the zeti reticuli incident you've posted is r e a l l y a shameful act of cunning sophistry to say the least. Sorry Randy but I don't buy this b**s**t of yours. For someone who had supposedly assume the tone of a teacher, who is now playing innocent and dumb just makes me sick, harsh as it may be, do you realise its against the laws of Creation to knowingly and willingly ignore the truth and act against your knowledge, thus you are harvesting the fruit of your illogical actions right now. Hear the underlying sentiments of my words please! YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS GROUP INTO DISREPUTE! Dyson has left indicating in no uncertain terms why he left. Now what do you think is the most appropriate thing for you to have done instead of this empty apology you've given in the other thread. Can you not see the reason why people like me are flustered and still cannot simply let go of the past just yet.!? Yes it pertains to YOUR lack of appropriate actions following thereafter. Not a word about Dyson Not a word of some explanation due to this group who you have offended. Your terse silence indicates you have absolutely disregarded the feelings of your fellow members including myself here who is indelibly and quite adversely effected by the actions you have chosen to partake and now I and rest of us is reeling from the detrimental effects unleashed by either your highhandedness or your blatant stupidity. And yet you probably have the temerity ask "what the f**k do you want from me". It appears the silent approach that you'd continue to take on this is a sign of a person who is not only a coward but one who doesn't take responsibility for his own actions. To that I say, Thanks a plenty....... Before my take on Jmmanuels advice that "punish wherever the law of nature demands punishment" turns into a transgression against Kanon 20/158. advice that "do not revile your friends and do not revile your enemies and do not revile the righteous and not the unrighteous because they are altogether creatures of Creation". My parting advice to you is this:- if you sincerely love Creation, if you have sincerely recognised your spirit within and if you have truthfully experienced oneness with everything around you, you would have sensed this universal love for everything around you because you have thus identified yourself with everything as part piece of your existence and your own existence as part existence of it, then how could somebody who has experienced the joys of this universal love offend against the group in such a way that he is guilty of offending against a directive of the order and against a law of the determination by not exercising universal love to all. To this, each to their own but as long as its done here, you will not be able to hide from the judgement. Matt | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Bob, Please do not read into it as some secret hidden society or as if I have woven some intricate, materialistic, pseudo-intellectual, diligently crafted persona. If you knew me you would also know that I am vehemently opposed to deceit, lying, social engineering and hate in general. Am not a brainwashed, robotic, mindless, narsasistic, messianic, meglomaniacal puppet who has to hide behind the Plejaren peace sign blaming things on others. I am responsible for my actions. People loved the Americans during nine eleven. Then two years later they hated us. There are hidden adgendas yes, but I am on the same side as you. I only seek peace and the truth. Look at all the wars that have been fought. In the late 1600's we were to hate the French, the Indians and whomever else we were told to hate. Then we were to hate the Spanish in the early 1700's. Then we had to hate the English we could now like the French and the Spanish. And these were real Wars... just like the terrible atrocities happening right now in the middle east. Women and children are dying over this. It's not like we were shooting with paint guns, this is real terror. Watch TV in Europe for awhile... they do not censor it as they do here in the US, they show the blood and guts because they are not so "sensitive" like the American population is said to be. Then we could like the English... but we had to hate the Germans... Then we were to hate the Italians and then we were to hate the Japanese and on and on and on and on it goes... Always we are told about who it is we were to hate. The real enemy here is it's not about who we hate. The real enemy here is hate itself. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1182 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, This conversation is getting way off topic...Just to add something..I received a long e-mail from Dyson yesterday regarding some of the reasons for his sudden departure. He mentioned it would be permissable to post it, if I chose to. I am still thinking about it, because it is a little personnel and mentions correspondence with an individual on the forum. Scott | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 02-2006 |
Scott, can you post the email correspondence you had with Dyson please? There's probably many others here like myself that would like to read it and know the whole story behind our good friend's sad and sudden departure. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 07-2004 |
Scott. Sorry if this is not the place, but any in-depth response we hear from Dyson, would help stop the future loss of any further brain-drain. Not to place Dyson on some pedestal, but here we had an incredibly dedicated, articulate, scholar of Billy's info and so much more, having his experience become a tiresome task of fending off time wasting responses of others who 'seem' to believe in somewhat illogical aberrations of many of Billy's published writings and observations. Yes, we all make mistakes in our attempts to share our studies, but patterns are created and new insights can be seen from the totality of what anyone person posts here and I will be hard to convince that Dyson made a poor choice. Let's hear the man out. I have learned much in researching his responses and have found a solid track record of integrity, and have always felt the love he shares for his fellow mans well being. Thanks Scott a friend in america Shawn | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 563 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Scott Scott I guess you have a heavy weight of burden and responsibility to do what is deemed the most appropriate thing to do, one of which you may have to wrestle with your own conscience to. Because on the one hand, being the good person behind the title 'moderator' that you are, your responsibility to remain impartial would be tested against your other responsibilities of due diligence towards this group, thereby not overlooking this episode as some unimportant event that has no bearing on the evolution of the people concerned. That being us therefore the hard decision is yours to make. If you feel that Randy or whoever else is hard done by and posting Dyson's letter, for which he gave you his consent, would be to the detriment to Randy's or whomever's dignity then you shouldn't post it. But what I would say is this. If we are to become a group consisting of various different individuals who have recognised our own unique place in this incarnation to help influence the world for the better by having inevitably come to the conclusion of our responsibilities towards the truth and to our fellow human beings, then it starts with getting our own houses into order as a collective here. This inevitably entails learning to take responsibility for our own causes we have created and either suffering from the consequences or reaping the good we have sown. So if we can't sort out the fundamental basics here as individual and as a group, how can we then hold our heads up high out there in the world, if we have nothing to show for in the way of us becoming more spiritual, we'd have nothing positive to offer the world.. So having said this, this episode presents each and everyone of us, including Dyson, myself and especially Randy, its unique challenges that we can draw hard lessons from. So in this context, I urge you to overcome the conventional sense of what decency, loyalty, honesty, integrity, right and wrong is and to unshackle yourself from the guilt assuaged by the conflicting inner voices within yourself and let higher reason prevail. Just as well, since we are our own brother's keeper, it is just as much our own individual struggle to come to grips with our own conscience as the one who has judged as it would also be for the one who has been judged. For whatever judgement falling on Randy, it equally applies to all of us. So what has set in motion should meet its end and resolution so that we can move forward, renewed with new lessons under our belt. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1183 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Everyone, I am not going to post Dyson's letter. I don't see at this point how any further fanning of the flames will do justice to the situation. I will protect the privacy of those involved, and do not want to turn this into a public debacle. If anyone chooses to contact Dyson or other forum members, that is up to each person. Scott-FIGU Forum Moderator. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 01-2006 |
Thats so true what you said there about the situation with Dyson, Shawn! Dyson was good in so many ways other then just translating. A few people like Jo_jo http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/7510.html?1178014682 like to always point out to everyone here how some of Dyson views and beliefs on a few matters are wrong because they don't fall in line with Billy's opinion. But Billy said himself that not everyone is going to agree or share the same opinion as him on various matters. Billy also said that he is not always right too. And I'm unsure if everyone here was aware of the fact that Dyson isn't afraid to be seem having an opinion that is his own and not in line with Billy's. 10 points to Dyson for having the courage and wisdom in choosing, and not being scared to formulate/stick with an opinion (s) that is all his own/against Billy's on various issues, if his research leads him to believe that is the truth there. I like people like Dyson who prefer to get off their ass and do their own research. Dyson's the only real researcher/truthseeker here out of us lot. Everyone else (including me) blindly follows and believes everything Billy says. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 01-2004 |
heyu tony, that's crimianly igonorant... "Dyson's the only real researcher/truthseeker here out of us lot. Everyone else (including me) blindly follows and believes everything Billy says." what is your reasoning for this and where is your proof? | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 01-2006 |
"heyu tony, that's crimianly igonorant... "Dyson's the only real researcher/truthseeker here out of us lot. Everyone else (including me) blindly follows and believes everything Billy says. what is your reasoning for this and where is your proof?" No its not criminally ignorant, thats your opinion, and that was mine. There are a few reasons why I said that, and still stand behind what I said there now. A real researcher of truth is not someone who found out about the Meier material, and who just sits lazily back here reading, waiting, taking in or glossing over everything Billy and the P's say. A real researcher is not someone who readily accepts as a truth, what other people are telling them or saying is a truth, regardless of who the others are. A real researcher of truth is someone who thoroughly researchers, studies, and investigates everything they are reading and looking into, and then who formulates an opinion based on their independent research. And we know the vast, vast majority of people that read and follow the Meier material, read it, and then readily accept it as the truth just because its coming from Billy or the P's. Thats not research. Dyson is the only person here I know who does that, and who formulates their opinion based upon their own independent thorough research they done, and who's not afraid to publicly voice a difference of opinion they have with Billy or the P's, on an issue, if they have one. Another reason behind why I said that remark was based upon the time Dyson (and Vivienne) spend researching the Meier and other material compared to most other people here or elsewhere. They research it morning to night everyday, 7 days a week, 350+ days a year! THATS DEDICATION MATE! Who here (or practically anywhere else) come close to the time Dyson and Vivienne spend/dedicate to research?? Thats one of the other reasons behind why I said: "Dyson's the only real researcher/truthseeker here out of us lot. Everyone else (including me) blindly follows and believes everything Billy says." | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 06-2006 |
Tony, "Dyson's the only real researcher/truthseeker here out of us lot. Everyone else (including me) blindly follows and believes everything Billy says." I think many have already guessed that I am not in full agreement to everything Billy says. Also as Peter asked, What is your reasoning for this? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 04-2006 |
There are many ways to gain spiritual enlightment.The ancient Geisteslehre is just one of them.Perhaps its the fastest way, but not the only one. Research, effort and striving means not only reading Figu's books, but recognizing creational laws on your own, and applying them to your daily life. Billy tells us non-intervention is a creational law.You cannot intervene unless there is a bigger threat.For 8 months I have been posting and participating in liberal, conservative, anti-war blogs to find out what people think about foreign american policy, american financed governments throughout the world, the Iraq war and WWW3. Thanks to that sharing of ideas, i have finally understood the concept of non intervention. We all want to help the mission.But HOW do we help best? Dyson's case is obvious, he helps best concentrating on the translations and forgetting his efforts to correct every forum member individually. Rule Nº1 if you want to change the world, first change yourself for the better.It's here: http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierazlp9,1.htm | ||
James Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 07-2005 |
Tony, I'm sure there are a lot of us here, if not most, that are forming individual ideas and processing the teachings in a myriad of ways. If not why else would we be here? Blindly believing is the world of religion, and I'm sure we are beyond, or getting beyond this mode of reasoning. Yes? Not everyone can, or should, be working like Dyson and Vivienne. We are all moving at our own pace and in our own unique way. Although the gaia team have done an awesome job so far, It shouldn't mean we're any less committed to improving ourselves or helping others. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Chasekahn747 Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2005 |
You insult alot of people who do research..and present a case for your own lacks in what you just said tony..an opinion like that should be backed by what u know not by what u suppose about meembers here or Dyson..it is an opinion not justified on anything but feeling and in short by feelings based on self...how many people here do you know personally to say what you have said...Dyson is very credible in his work..very much so..but how do you know no one else here has or is not doing the same thing as he..but on a private level..not everyone must or will share there expierieces..it is good and honorable to stand by what you said ..but even more honorable to take time to rethink what you said and how u actually came to such a conclusion..validation by feeling/opinion alone does not substantiate anthing..cause if it did ,,we would all know the Bible, Q'ran...Talmud..and any other religiou sbook to be true ..on word alone..and many of us here know better .. which is why we are here searching..not all here are satisfied with Meiers side of the story...but there are yet still things that stil ring true..many of us has gone to many lengths to even get here.. the spirit guides many to this place to correct the damages done from previous false information...which has made many a docile mind dependant on external forces for salvation... In short there are many people who do as Dyson ,but are quiet storms ...Dyson is a definite example to be looked upon..but with his departure from the scene it means those whom sat back will step up..and those who did no research as you mentioned will now be forced to do there own research.. I Like you am searching for the meaning of Truth in The spirit teachings...since I am human like you..I too have to search and perceive..and in so doing may grasp the laws of Creation,,judging according to the laws of nature which are of creation...so be it.. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 310 Registered: 01-2004 |
hector, you dont know what everybody is doing at every moment, if i told you what i do with my day and spare moments, you would change you opinion about dyson being the only one....e tc etc. the same goes with other people too, what they do and how hard they strive for truth. your opinion is stated like a fact, that's what's disturbing to me. oh well, your opinion is your right, good luck with that. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1184 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please let's get back on the topic regarding the Plejarens and the Mission. | ||
Raphael New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007 |
Regarding the P's time travel... I seem to remember the questions answered to billy claiming there are three ways to time travel. It is stated over and over that you cannot alter the past, and then somebody said you can bring a flash light back. I don't know how time travel is possible? I am figuring much as been said on the topic, however if somebody knows how to bring some clarity to this issue, I would appreciate it very much! Raphael the Healer | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Raphael, I could perhaps help you here, but your post should be in the topic of "Time Travel. Here's a hint. Time travel as people believe it is impossible, but real time travel as it is done is possible. | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2006 |
I have a question about the Plejaren spirit forms. Since the Plejares were settled by Asael and his group about 230,000 years ago,then the spirits of the Plejaren must have originated in Lyra-Vega. This is backed up by Billy when he has stated(In a videod interview at least)that the ony ET spirit forms on Earth are Lyra-Vegan(despite Pelegon and his 70,000 coming to Earth and many dying here;also the Tunguska incident-maybe they had L-V spirit forms).But what about the original inhabitants of the Plejares(as with us);surely some of the Plejaren who came to Earth and died here must have had spirits originating in the Plejares? And by the way Chasekahn747(Post 25),a correction:The Talmud(Jmmanuel)is not a religious book;it's a book of truth! Charles. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 03-2004 |
Raphael, you CAN bring things into the past or future. You CANNOT UNDO something that was done in the past. Pure and simple according to Eduard Meier. There is no conflict in this idea. It is just foreign to what some people are used to thinking of in normal terms... | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 06-2006 |
Well, Thomas if you CAN bring something into the future or past then aren't you changing it..? Like if someone from the future takes my homework Im gonna be dead the next day in school!  | ||
Raphael New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Truthseeker, I am sorry, I didnt realize there was a topic on time travel. I will reinstate the question. Thomas, this my pondering exactly. If I bring back a flashlight to the dark ages, I could possible bring them light. What I am saying is that they could somehow alter their understanding on how technology works. I dont know? The response that there is no problem and that you cannot change the past seems irrevelant. I dont know I will post a new message in Time travel topic forum, if I can find it... Raphael the Healer | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 03-2004 |
No you aren't changing the past Celestial because if it is GOING to happen then it has already happened in a sense via cause and effect. In other words if you were EVER going to bring a flashlight back in time to a certain date, then you already have! Thus you have changed nothing. See my latest post in the time travel section please...We should continue there. |
