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    James Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Trevor, welcome to the board. To answer your first question, I asked the same one to Billy and you can find the answer to that going back a few months ago. What he was that the spirit would not go back to the "original" time it left. I also asked another question about time travel three times but judging by the answers I received, he either doesn't know (or neither do the Plejaren) or it is too sensitive to give a true answer at this time. I forgot where I read it, probably in the "And Still They Fly" book, that the Plejaren also have a lot to learn about how time works and that one of them said(was it Semjase?) they sometimes prefer not to think about it too much because it's very confusing to them also. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1223 Registered: 12-1999 |
Trevor, As I understand it the spirit would then continue to live its life forward from the point in time where it had its last physical life. In this case if you went back in time and died in the 1600's, you would then start your next life somewhere during that time period. In regards to Eduard meeting Jmmanuel, this question has been asked and answered more than once. The spirit which resides in Eduard is not identical to the spirit in Jmmanuel. While it is the same spirit, it is not at the same stage in evolution, therefore it is not identical. Regards Scott | ||
Trevor New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks very much James and Scott. I should have been more specific in my question because when I said someone dying in a time travel trip, I meant like millions of years back, like the Dinosaur period, some 200 millions of years back. What would happen there? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 03-2004 |
Trevor, I couldn't resist but to respond to your question since I have read some info directly about your questions. As far as time travel is concerned, according to BEAM, there are multiple types, so it seems to depend on which type is used as to whether your spirit would stay in the past or return to the present. As far as the spiritform of BEAM meeting Jmmanuel, it is very simple. They are the same LINEAGE but not the same spiritform. The spiritform changes over time as it evolves and it does not occupy all time epochs at once. It has access to the past but it doesn't co-exist in its PRESENT form both now and in the past. It is no more mysterious than if you took a Rubic's cube into the past and set it in front of its earlier self. Each second in time produces (in my understanding) a new physical universe and thus each second that passes creates everything anew as far as the physical form goes. This is partly because the physical universe is chopped into tiny tiny units of time called chronons, and thus doesn't exist continually relative to the spirit realm. By the way, the spirit realm also has its own time values though immeasureably higher in frequency/smaller in wavelength... Hope this helps. (Sources: German FIGU Forum, contact notes various, Flugreisen Durch Zeit und Raum, and others...) Thomas | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 04-2006 |
I was reading the German forum time travel section yesterday and i want to add some lines. I was surprised to read (From a moderator)that time travel demands huge amounts of energy to be performed.If the energy flow ceases, you are forced back into your original time.There is some kind of creational force that tries to keep you tied to your present time.If you want to overcome it you have to spend huge amounts of energy. It's like creation wants each spirit to stay in his original time in order to avoid conflicts/illogical situations.It is absolutely impossible to stay your whole life in the past or in the future because creational laws do not allow this. I also read that there are a few variations of time travel, there is one where you can interact with humans of that time (because you have lowered your vibrational levels to match those of the target time) and the second variation is time travel without any kind of interaction, which is the common one, you cant be seen and noticed because your vibrations and your "time config" do not match those of the target time.Its like you wear a protecting bubble with you that avoids interaction. That is a creational measure to avoid two identical spirits with different vibrational levels (Immanuel and Billy)to interact with each other.But this can be overcomed for a short period of time. Creation is 100% logic and it cannot allow two "identical" spirits to share the same time, doesn't matter if one is alive and the other one in the beyond (dead).Creation would fix,resolve, correct this illogicality,paradox blocking or hindering the time travelers death.How this process occurs has not been understood by the plejaren yet. The original german explanation is here:http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/3/2144.html#POST2326 Best regards | ||
Trevor New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks very much Thomas and Hector! I suppose when you think about it, its only logical that creation would have created some sort of creational force there to stop people changing the past and creating mayhem (paradox's) in the universe. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Trevor, Time travel is indeed interesting to me as well, in fact my whole life. Am just starting Guido's new book Flugreisen durch Zeit un Raum.. Flying Journeys through Time and Space or simply Time travels. Guido is pretty much an expert on this subject and "And Yet they Fly" is another excellent book by him. Another person very up on this is Hans Georg and am translating his Diskussionsforum post 2326 that Hector was kind enough to provide. Please be aware, my German is from high school many years ago, and my dictionaries are not very good so interpretation may be incorrect and correction is most appreciated: Hans starts out his document with the caveat that it is probably impossible for us at our stage of evolution to fully understand time travel. He mentioned there are three different forms of time travel. 1.) Dimensional traveling which is done in the same time but into different dimensions. 2.) Contained time travel whereby the traveler is encased in a protective bubble or suit similar to a diver and is surrounded by his own space-time while traveling in a foreign atmosphere. The native time folks cannot see the time traveler but he can see them. 3.) In material time travel both parties can see each other and talk and possibly inflict harm upon each other so a precautionary creative backup reset system prevents or hinders a possible Time Paradox. Only one mind allowed per person so if there are two minds of the same person near each other, a mind oscillation can occur for a short time but is corrected by creative forces since it is not a normal/natural steady state of being within creation. Hans also agrees that great quantities of energy are connected with Time Travel. Because of this, these travels are often short because there is just not enough energy to maintain long journeys. Once the energy is depleted the travelers return to their own time. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 03-2004 |
Randy, where did you find the stuff about the "mind oscillation" thing and the "backup reset"? I have read the ENTIRE german forum and the ENTIRE book Flugreisen Durch Zeit und Raum and never seen those two things you mentioned. Maybe I am just not understanding the way you are saying whatever it is that you are saying, but it doesn't seem to jibe with what I have read entirely. Respectfully, Thomas | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 03-2004 |
In addition I would like to mention that Jmmanuel and BEAM are in NO WAY the same person as was mentioned. The only thing they share is spirit lineage. There is no mind in common between them, no actual same spirit form, nor personality. Nothing is the same between these two entirely different, yet spiritualy related people. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Randy Seeing you asked for input on your translation, I would like to mention a few things -- bearing in mind that I am no expert either. Randy wrote: Hans starts out his document with the caveat that it is probably impossible for us at our stage of evolution to fully understand time travel. The way I read Hans's post, it did not seem like a 'caveat' rather just a simple comment that the topic of timetravel is a complex one and hard for mankind to understand in our time, for the simple reason that it is difficult for some to imagine. You used words like 'caveat' and 'impossible' -- which creates a different understanding. There are probably quite a number of people who can get their minds around the concept of time travel -- but of course, at this stage it is only theoretical, so until experiencing it, it will remain in that realm -- but some find the concept not that difficult to grasp. Randy wrote: Only one mind allowed per person so if there are two minds of the same person near each other, a mind oscillation can occur for a short time but is corrected by creative forces since it is not a normal/natural steady state of being within creation. My interpretation of the section where Hans mentions this topic, is only that: because a spirit form from one time has a different vibration/oscillation than a spirit form from a different time (the words 'mind oscillation' I could not find there), if both these spirit forms 'met'it could only be for a very short time, as it has not been anticipated by Creation (which in itself is something to think about - what that could mean) -- and that in order to even allow that short time near each other, requires the use of Creational power -- so, how long it occurred may depend on the amount of 'power' available to enable the meeting, and I think that is referring to the power that the spiritform possess, but I may be incorrect there. You mention above also, that 'only one mind per person is allowed' Did you really think about this before you wrote it? :-) Maybe what you were trying to say is that a spirit form only has one material consciousness/personality, and that there cannot be one version of the same particular spirit form/material consciousness from a particular incarnation meeting another time version of itself in that same incarnation? or something like that? but then, you said 'two minds of the same person' -- which is not clear at all what you really mean. Randy, I think you may have taken a little creative license with your interpretation above -- and from my perspective, it is slightly misleading, albeit unintentional. I hope you don't mind me offereing this, but I think it is wise to be very careful how you word things, so as not to confuse people who are new to all this information -- it is difficult enough to take on all these new concepts, without there being information that is close but not exactly what is, offered to novices. I have noticed with myself in this regard, that when I am reading something for my own benefit, I may take shortcuts with interpretation, but I am also aware that if I am trying to 'share' that interpretation with others, I feel impelled to spend more time and effort to make sure that it is close to the intention of the author as possible -- and sometimes that means running it past someone else, who may be able to help. It is difficult for us English speakers living in our respective countries, to find a German speaking person, who also has an understanding of the material - but they are there, and here on the forum -- few and far between though. As Bob alluded to recently in another post, the detail contains important information if one is prepared to examine it. (or I think that was what he was referring to ). It is this 'detail' that makes all the difference in being able to correctly understand something -- especially when one has to translate it first. Randy, it is obvious that you have been enthused by your recent trip to the Centre, and it is nice that you have had that experience. I also personally take on board this advice I have offered, as I sometimes provide my 'interpretation' of Billy's teachings on this forum as well. I am open to correction always, and continue to learn more and more so as to avoid errors in the future. in peace Robjna | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 507 Registered: 06-2000 |
I hope you will take my comments with the intention that they will be given with . I think it's fine for someone to read the German language text and give their interpretation of it , no harm there . As long as someone else comes along to challenge it , help to refine it , then it's all productive , at least to those of us who are learning idiomatically on their own terms - slowly . I'm sure that noone will take the information and get lost in a makeshift time device .After all , the topic is open for discussion , so we can all relax on the matter. Of course , I do not mean that anyone should go on tangents of their own ideas and claim them as being Billy's . I already understand the time travel concepts much better a year from now . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1228 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I think it is important and necessary, if one wants to post his/her translation of something, that the original German text also be provided. This will at least allow others to see the original text if they do not have that particular book or booklet etc... Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 03-2004 |
Interpretation of understanding is one thing and saying that something is an exact translation is another Scott. If we say that these are only our interpretations, we are under no obligation to post our side by side translations. As I understand it from FIGU, that is only necessary if the book is quoted, or any other writings from FIGU. I am careful to note that I am no expert of german and that the interpretations that I state are my own. It is up to each individual to do their own work and searching if they want more details. It is great to help each other, but spoon feeding is worthless. Let's continue this in the appropriate section Scott. You as a moderator should know better than to stray off topic...teasing but true!!! :-) | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to All This may sound very silly but i was just thinking that the Billy we have now is not from the present but from the future  . I mean after the trip to the great spacer and going to other galaxies, i have taken to understand that several days had passed by. So when they returned they put Billy back in such a way that only a few hours had passed here on earth. So that means the "real Billy" or the Billy of our time is in the past. lol ashwin | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 968 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Sirashiwn..... No, Sirashiwn, your question does not sound silly.... Well, if Billy is in the process of being projected back into time - via, the Great Spacer -, which took an amount of days, and when brought back to Earth, indeed, a number of days had gone by, aberrantly: this shows the Time Configuration Differs in Space, and/with Earth. Very obviously, speaking. And which is common knowledge.[This was the result, of Billy's facial hair growth: of Billy having to have kept his beard, from that point on.] Thus, I think we can speak here of a TIME difference. And thus, TIME itself, can be defined/adapted to the mentioned process(ing). Thus, Billy did more or less....Indirectly...go/project back into time....I would say. The same would apply, to Jmmanuel...when he was taken into the heavens with/by Gabriel. The 40 days and 40 nights(Earth Configuration), I think it was; and to Jmmanuel, it was as if, it was about a week (or more?: Space Configuration), or something....from his prospective. Thus, the similarities are present. Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Edward Thanks for your response. This is indeed very interesting and thought provoking. One could keep thinking on and on about this. Perhaps we are not evolved enough to truly comprehend time travel; but that puts no restriction of not pondering about it  . Regards ashwin | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Folks, Thank you for the constructive critizims and guidance... it is most appreciated when it is true and correct. Not being a perfect being... yet striving for perfection... it is useful to hone ones' knowledge and strive towards that goal eliminating that which is proven incorrect. To me a caveat is merely a warning. And as to impossible, only the square root of minus one is impossible and even THAT may be. My concept words were " not yet fully understandable" which is the ISHWSJH knowledge or total knowledge of which, few... on Earth know. Still reading Guido's new book on Journey into Time and Space, many of these areas are coming into focus much more clearly. Will share when finished. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi Rarena, In applied math, the square-root of minus one is written as = j. This is a useful value, in as much as it implies a dimension beyond the X / Y / Z axis of three dimensional space-time. The value of j is also useful in theoretical physics & etc. This is not criticism. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2007 |
Let me correct myself. The square-root of minus one is written as = i instead of = j. My last calculus class was over 40-years ago. Please excuse my faux-pas. Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2007 |
Well, OK, one last time, this time. Actually, both = i and = j are correct. My mind went back and forth several times in a time loop, pondering this. Went to Wikipedia to check: >> "In mathematics, physics, and engineering, the imaginary unit is denoted by i or the Latin j or the Greek iota . It allows the real number system, to be extended to the complex number system, Its precise definition is dependent upon the particular method of extension. >> "The primary motivation for this extension is the fact that not every polynomial equation with real coefficients f(x) = 0 has a solution in the real numbers. In particular, the equation x2 + 1 = 0 [x2 is x square] has no real solution . However, if we allow complex numbers as solutions, then this equation, and indeed every polynomial equation f(x) = 0 does have a solution. Is everyone thoroughly confused yet? ;>) Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Mqhassan Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dear Forum Members, I was looking for a place at the forum to discuss the Great Spacer in terms of specifications and time travel capabilities. I think that this technological marvel was not given enough discussion that can lead to interesting conclusions about the Plejaren Space Travel. Could we consider it as a world ship that can actually travel in the DAL universe as well, after going through thetunnel that connects both universes ? Salome Mohammed | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 05-2008 |
Does anyone know of the truth or falseness in the timetravel experiments of the Montauk Project. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_montauk_16.htm I've spoken with someone who grew up a few miles from the site, had routine access to anywhere on the base, was acquainted with many working there. He said its all nonsense. The author of a book on the Montauk Project says this person was one of the boys who was used for experiments. My friend just laughs at the absurdity of the authors comment. I haven't seen anywhere that Billy has mentioned this. Any comments appreciated. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 605 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Earthling When asked about the Montauk Project, Billy answered "It¡¦s a legend. " Perhaps you may like to check the Q&A section. Salome Savio |
