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Vestri
Member
Post Number: 213
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 01:25 am: | 
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Hi Badr,
The discussion on Golf was based on the discussion of how sports affect not only the psychological well being of the person playing the sport, but also the community of spectators/fans too. It was not about the enviromental damage. The point of what I am saying is that Golf Courses would not be a problem if we had a world population of 500 million. The other thing too is that around 95% of Golf Courses are in cities and suburbs. Sorry but I disagree and think the negative thing you just said there about Golf is wrong/irrelevant.
Playing Golf (your own game-not competition) brings many psychological/spiritual well being things. |
Vestri
Member
Post Number: 213
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 01:38 am: |
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The other thing too is that most COUNTRY Golf Courses (well here in Australia) are not fenced off and closed to the surrounding areas animals. They (animals) are all free to come and go as they like.
"In modern urban Australia there are many animals that live alongside people. Golf courses, with their well-watered grass and shady trees are a great attraction to kangaroos. There's plenty of green grass and water, so kangaroos can thrive in large numbers, and they are quite relaxed while people play golf around them. Some of them live their whole lives on the greens, raising their young exactly as they would in the bush. White ibis (aka sacred ibis) know when there's a free feed. These birds are regulars at a rubbish tip next to their swampy roosting site near Brisbane."
http://www.abc.net.au/nature/australasia/ep6_pic6.htm |
Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 254
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 04:35 am: |
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Vestri,
I know what the topic that was being discussed, and that’s why I didn’t post it under that topic, because what I wanted to mention is not related to the psychology of sports, but about the environment.
Well in Switzerland there are many forest patches around cities, if it were to be replaced with Golf courses then that is what I am talking about. Or the opposite why not change Golf courses to forest patches for the benefit of animals, and not only always thinking about ourselves. And I am not talking to you directly, I am talking in general. Why do animals always have to fit in with us? It’s not a question to be answered but one to be thought about.
Every one has his own opinion about things… and is entitled to it.
Salome, Badr |
Vestri
Member
Post Number: 216
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 02:19 pm: |
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Badr,
and I too knew what you were talking about and why you posted it under environment and I posted why what I posted because you referred back to the discussion I had in another section about the benefits of playing golf and then discredited playing golf by making it sound like all golf courses are built just for the rich and all of them are built in pristine conditions too. Thats wrong.
You obviously know nothing about golf and golf extends well outside Switzerland too. Firstly Golf is the most popular sport/passtime in the world. Go to any golf course on the weekend, and even during the week, and you will see it full with normal everyday folk playing it, so your wrong for making it sound like all golf courses are built just for the rich. The other thing is that golf courses don't have to built in pristine environments. They can be built, and MANY are, in baron wastelands, deserts and sparsely vegetated/wildlife areas and use bore water to water the course. These don't fit in with what Billy was talking about.
Again it was wrong to refer back to that discussion and discredit the sport/passtime of golf by making it sound like all golf courses are built just for the rich and built in pristine environments because worldwide they are the minority.
I will quote you coz the page has changed.
A while ago there was a discussion about Sports and how it could affect a human being, and Harvey has posted a new post which reminded me that I wanted to write something short about this issue. But from a point of how sports impact nature or the environment.
There was a brief mention by Billy of how sport complexes affect nature in a sense that it doesn’t leave much place for nature, in Sonder Bulletin No. 16. As an example we could bring up Golf, as I remember this was mentioned in the discussion before. Now think of it this way, imagine having a forest or jungle with lots of trees and plants and rivers which can help thousands of insects and bugs and hundreds of animals to find a home or shelter.. and have it all taken down and flattened JUST so a few rich people can enjoy Golf, that is as far as I know as its quite a costly sport so in most cases only the rich can afford it. It obviously applies to all sports that require large spaces such as stadiums of all kinds.
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 255
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 05:23 am: |
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Hi Vestri,
Look I don’t understand why you are taking this discussion so personally, am I not entitled to share my opinion that I find walking in the forest more relaxing then playing Golf! I didn’t even remember who was talking about the topic.
Since you quoted my post again, you might have seen me add “that is as far as I know”. So I guess you gathered I don’t know everything there is to know about Golf, but then again there are exceptions in everything, as in even here in Saudi they got Golf courses in the middle of the desert and one in the middle of the city. So I do know that there are cases were Golf courses are not in the middle of the city only. But that is beside my point, Golf was just an example.
Well seeing that you gave your opinion about your views and I have mine what’s the point in posting anything more. As I said before my post seemed to be clear. I will repeat again Golf was just an example, then again I am sure you might come to the conclusion that I am not much of a sports guy, that’s why I didn’t come up with a better example.
Salome, Badr |
Vestri
Member
Post Number: 218
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 07:42 am: |
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Badr I sorry but I didn't mean to end up starting this arguement with you about that matter. Your right about you being entitled to your own opinion on the Golf matter. I just didn't like it the way you referred your opinion you just said here back to the Golf discussion in another thread where I and couple others had commented our views about the psychological/spirit benefits of playing golf.
"As an example we could bring up Golf, as I remember this was mentioned in the discussion before. Now think of it this way, imagine having a forest or jungle with lots of trees......"
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this discussion on golf in this thread http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1180.html#POST29551 the only other discussion on Golf on this forum besides this one here?
Like I said I didn't think that was fair or right the way you condemned the building of Golf Courses and then referred it back to the discussion I and others had in the other thread where we mention the benefits of playing golf. But playing golf and building golf courses are two different things. Not to mention what your opinion of where and how golf courses are built is the minority worldwide. I'm sorry if I am wrong here about all this but I just seen it like you were bagging what we had said in that other thread.
I regret saying what I said to you here because I don't believe you really meant it the way I was getting all worked up here. I guess it don't help I been a golfing fanatic past 20 years too. I'm sorry for biting at you Badr but I am not as mature as most people here. I wish I was though. |
Vestri
Member
Post Number: 219
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 11:19 am: |
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Badr I'm not trying to continue this any further, I just want to fix up the mistakes I made in a couple of sentences there in my prior post because I want you to understand what I really meant there. I guess its obvious I rushed that post in and didn't even bother to checking it before pressing the post message button. I meant what I said in the last paragraph though. I accept most of the blame for this causing arguement between us both.
But playing golf and building golf courses are two different things. ---> Not to mention your erroneous belief about where the majority of golf courses are being built is truly the minority worldwide. I'm sorry if I am wrong here about all this but I just seen it like you were deliberately attempting to bag everything I was talking about in that other thread. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 953
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 05:58 am: |
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Hi Badr and Vestri....
Yes, Badr...you did bring up an excellent point: The Environment!
I would agree with you, and also with Vestri.
But, aside of the Golf Courses, there are also many other sports factors that
are of grave environmental concern. Just like, building the immense stadiums,
as well as the Car Races terrains, Motor Cross terrains, Speedboat lakes
(artificial made) and go so on. Not to forget - Military Practice terrains -!
We have these issues ourselves, here also. And the last mentioned are very
grave Polluters also! And consume a gigantic amount of Fuel, even!
So, it is indeed a Universal issue, when it comes down to the Environment.
But, I guess, most of us all KNOW this. Which is indeed the "Cons"!
But, still, (midget) Golf itself, can be a Relaxing and Meditative experience,
as a Sport...and benefit our Body, Mind and Spirit as well as our
Consciousness, as Vestri was referring to. Which is indeed the "Pros"!
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 977
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 03:27 am: |
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Hi Unluckyguy and Sirashwin....
Will Post here, OK. This looks like the suited place.
I have heard and read of the mentioned -"heard explosive going off"- scenario.
As far as I know: it was just a fabrication of some sort!?
Such mentioned explosions can as well be Electric Electrons unloading
themselves; which can cause Thunder like Sound explosions, to occur. Which
does indeed, sound as if a conventional explosion has taken place.
Thus, it would be just a Misinterpretation of One's Hear(ing) organ; not
identifying the Audio Sound(Electric Electrons unloading) properly, as it
should have.
Thus, a Deception of Sound capture, would explain this mentioned phenomenon..I would think.
One must imagine, how Chaotic Deceptions, such an event(Katrina) can conjure
up. When in such a predicament: surely One will loose..One's Orientation
senses, as well...as not utilizing the other human senses correctly at the
same time, as they should. So, One can indeed, interpret Sounds...in a most
unnatural manner, due....to the circumstances, he/she is in. Which can be very
Deceptive.
Billy did say: that Katrina was a Man-made disaster. By, Man's own doing:
Overpopulation, Pollution, Greenhouse Effect....etc....etc...; this would
indeed give Mother Earth, a good Reason to Remedy herself, as much as
possible!
It is all about: Cause and Effect!
It is as Simple....as that!
Edward. |
Psycloud
Member
Post Number: 75
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 07:55 pm: |
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Here is an interesting link on the US climate for this year, 2007.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/20071213_climateupdate.html
This is man made.
Ken
I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth.
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 187
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 09:02 am: |
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AT $1 PER WATT, THE iTUNES OF SOLAR ENERGY HAS ARRIVED. A Silicon Valley start-up called Nanosolar shipped its first solar panels -- priced at $1 a watt. That's the price at which solar energy gets cheaper than coal. Curious that this story is not on every front page.
How did Nanosolar make this breakthrough?
While other companies have been focusing their efforts on increasing the efficiency of solar panels, Nanosolar took a different approach. It focused on manufacturing. Here's what it says on the company's home page (http://www.nanosolar.com/index.html):
Nanosolar has developed proprietary process technology that makes it possible to produce 100x thinner solar cells 100x faster.
Essentially, they've figured out how to print solar cells on thin sheets of aluminum with a printing press.
This could be a big nail in the dirty coal coffin. Remember when the owners of Google announced its' initiative to develop renewable energy that's cheaper than coal? Here's one Google investment that is already paying off. Other developments worth noting:
* IBM's top manufacturing executive has joined Nanosolar
* The company raised $100 million to build a factory, and has secured more than 600,000 feet of manufacturing space.
* It already has orders for the first 18 months of manufacturing capacity
For more details on what Nanosolar is calling The Third Wave of Solar Power, check out their web site and discussion of 7 areas of innovation they've mastered.
Bob |
Dae_il
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 05:36 am: |
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Hi!
I am going to leave Korea to live other place.
I want to live in Newzealand, Austrailia and Canada.
I have been there all.
Newzealand is best to my children but by Edger Casy(?)dangerous in future.
Well I know it is my personal situation but I would like to know about Earth future.
I know only Earth is big change now.
Would you give me some information please?
Dale Ko |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 343
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 08:48 pm: |
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Hi Dae_il,
Canada is nice.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Dae_il
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 11:53 pm: |
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Thanks Shawn.
Could you tell me why Canada is nice
and which area in Canada is nice?
These day I am looking for house through the internet.
Thanks
Dale Ko |
Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 290
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 12:06 am: |
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Dear Shawn and Dale,
Please continue this discussion through private emails and not the FIGU forum.
Salome, Badr |
Fisher
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 12:26 am: |
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Hello Dale, I live in New Zealand and I also speak Korean. If you need any help or information then feel free to email me: davefisher@xtra.co.nz
Saalome |
Dae_il
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 12:11 am: |
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I saw the future map from Gordon-Michael Scallion.
Of course it is small size.
If I want to see a detail size,I have to buy the map.
Is it true the future map of Gordon-Michael Scallion? |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1066
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 01:43 pm: |
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Hi Dae_il....
I am not so familiar with Gordon-Michael Scallion. Yes, I have seen his map of
the World Changing. Naturally, the Earth WILL Change, it be through Natural
Causes or it be through any World War of any type; or Cosmic events
(asteroid(s)...etc)
Naturally, our planet Earth is Alive and constantly processing herself,
Changing just as all life forms around her as well as within her. That is the
NATURE of NATURE, if you will. The True Wonders of The Creation.
If we take the World War scenario, of course, here too, will Cause all sorts
of Changes within Earth. But of course, the Changes will occur in a much more
Accelerating manner. Which is of course, not a real wise manner to process,
itself. ALL, must process itself, as "Naturally" as possible. Going against
the grain with Mother Nature, will surely Shake-her-up, and react in the same
manner that she is being attacked, upon.
Not to forget the Earth's Overpopulation! Which will surly Contribute to the
upcoming future evens, of the Changing of the Earth, as it has been foreseen
by the True Prophet lineage, and as Billy has Warned us, hereof...anew.
TJ Chapter 36:
4. "Humans, however, should also look downward upon the Earth for there, as
well, is Creational activity and endless becoming and passing away, and life
and existence, toward ever newly developing forms.
5. "Greatness, excellence and beauty rule harmoniously where nature is left to
itself.
6. "But where traces of human order are at work, there pettiness, disgrace and
ugliness testify to alarming disharmony.
Edward. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 04:50 pm: |
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hello,
I recently read an interesting non FIGU article regarding the study of photosynthesis of plants (light harvesting pigments of plants that absorb photons of a particular color, which releases electrons) and how plants filter different kinds of starlight or sunlight, which is thought it can be used to predict plant life color itself based on what starlight (M,G,F)is filtered on that particular planet.
Interesting, I remember growing up in the 80's I used to hear about plant life and the different responses to various forms of music, and photosynthesis and such but haven't heard about that in a long time.
I know Billy values plantlife very highly, and the Plejaren have gardens in their spacers. I'm interested in learning our human relationship to terrestrial plants and the planet itself, is there FIGU buch oder bücher, downloadable bulletin or article where I can read for myself more of Billy's stance on das Pflanzenleben?
thank u,
Corey |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1096
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 07:23 am: |
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Hi Corey....
Welcome to the FIGU board.
Well, there is very much spoken of 'plants' and their relationship to
humans/mankind in Billy's materials. You will just have to come across them,
when destiny permits, I would say.
Example: the Plejarans do tell us, that in the future Man on Earth will
discover by genetic manipulation, how to produce - the animal protein -...from
PLANTS! Which is remarkable! And which the human body needs dearly.[Than
Man does not have to derive the mentioned from animal consumption]
But it will be kept form the mass for some time, before it makes its way
through the mainstream, of acknowledgement....alas.
Edward. |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:04 pm: |
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That is amazing, I thought there might be a lot, I'll keep my eye out for it. 
"Rettet Erde, Leben, Pflanzen, Mensch, und Tier"
-FIGU
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Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 113
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 08:27 pm: |
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Note:
Nature-Being = Naturwesen = Elf = Hexe, was verwandt ist mit "hegen". = Hag/Hex, which is related to the word "hegen"=nurture/foster.
"Das Höchste, was wir von Gott und der Natur erhalten haben, ist das Leben, die rotierende Bewegung der Monas um sich selbst, welche weder Rast noch Ruhe kennt; der Trieb, das Leben zu hegen und zu pflegen, ist einem jeden unverwüstlich eingeboren, die Eigentümlichkeit desselben jedoch bleibt uns und andern ein Geheimnis."
"The highest what we have obtained from God and Nature is Life, the rotating movement of the Monad around itself, which knows not rest nor pause; the drive to nurture (hegen) and care for (pflegen) life, is durably endemic to each and everyone; the character of the same, however, remains to us and to others a mystery."
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Note that in a subtle way, hegen relates to the masculine instinct to protect and defend (think Gehege), and pflegen to the female instinct to nurture, both of which are utterly necessary to the survival of the human species.
Maybe if you're good enough to the Earth, you'll just see one. ;)
Salome,
- Matthew |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 320
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 03:08 pm: |
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Corey: “I recently read an interesting non FIGU article regarding the study of photosynthesis of plants (light harvesting pigments of plants that absorb photons of a particular color, which releases electrons) …”
Now it seems that photosynthesis is the inspiration for a promising breakthrough in solar power and weaning us earthlings off of fossil fuel dependency as urged by the Plejarens and discussed in FIGU-Sonder-Bulletin Nr.40, the endorsement of the Earth Charter and an ecologically sustainable planet. See full article:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/04/10799/
"Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera’s lab, have developed a new process that will allow the Sun’s energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen can be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power buildings, homes or electric cars - day or night."
James Barber, a leader in the study of photosynthesis who was not involved in this research, called the discovery by Nocera and Kanan a “giant leap” toward generating clean, carbon-free energy on a massive scale.
“This is a major discovery with enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind,” said Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College London. “The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and addressing the global climate change problem.”
Regards
Bob |
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