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    Dplotmach Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 09-2004 |
Hi people, what do we know about the sirian "men in black", and what are they capable of? Can they for example transform their appearance? I think i was "visited" by them in june 2002, here in Norway, just after i sighted UFO's and got seriously interested in the Meier-case. The classic old black cars you know... One who looked just like Billy which i saw in the car along with a strange "grey" individual(I have a witness) actually asked to sit beside me, and i think he touched me while sitting behind me. German accent. I felt an incredibly intense warmth suddenly, and i had to go drink some 4 or 5 big glasses of water just to survive, i think. Is there anything to it? I can't forget that incident... Had a total mental breakdown some weeks later  | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Dplotmach, After siting a UFO in California above the treeline in February of 1995 or 1996 that looked like the typical beamship "sport" model... a black helicopter circled a few times the next day... Unrelated? Coincidence? MIB's? Don't know. There is a recently placed article regarding Sirians on FIGU.ORG.: The Newest In Regard To Matters Of Extraterrestrials, UFOs, Pleiadiens/Plejarens, Contacts, Abductions, Examination Contacts and Implants 424th Contact, Saturday, June 17th 2006, 5:03 pm. Have heard their eyes are a little different than ours. Also, if memory serves... they were kind of "released" to another location to spend some time (off Earth) AKA Giza Intelligences... may be wrong about that... There are many secrets honest men are not privy too. So many in fact, that truth seems like fantasy at times. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 04-2006 |
This was told by Billy recently in the Q/A area: Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 11:44 pm: Were there any other ETs controlling the minds of people as Bafath did Hitler’s? Are there any ETs doing the same to any people currently? Answer :No, there were not and are not. The Men in Black were deported to Sirius, where they came from.Fact is, no ET on earth (at least "malevolent" ones) may threaten terrestrial people, be it either physically or psychologically.Good to know.But beware of harmful terrestrials...! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 10-2005 |
Another article about the Sirius origins can be found here: http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/Contact251Part1.pdf | ||
Mike New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007 |
New member brief Introduction... Greetings to all people on the discussion board. My name is Mike, and I am from Ireland. I have a lifelong interest in Astronomy & UFOs and recently SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) & SETV (Search for Extraterrestrial Visitation). From what I have learned & experienced over the years looking at the sky is that I have witnessed unexplained aerial phenomena that I cannot explain easily. Therefore this leaves me open to other possibilities and realities (like the possibility of intelligent ET life elsewhere in the universe or indeed universes and its implications for us as a species on Earth) and I am interested to find out more from the knowledgeable people on this discussion board about the subject of ET life and what I consider to be the extraordinary case of Mr. Billy Meier which has suddenly taken my interest for some unknown reason. I will therefore take a neutral stance on the case of Mr. Billy Meier until more knowledgeable people than me would be so kind as to guide me along as it were. In the meantime I will delve more deeply into any literature (recommendations most welcomed) or other available media and start researching for myself and make up my own mind. I think it is always wise to approach a subject such as this with openness, a willingness to listen and carefully evaluating as best one can all the necessary information into a coherent logical framework, even if it does not fit well with ones ingrained perceptions. Please forgive me if I ask questions regarding Mr. Meier and his alleged contacts that has being asked before (I have many), I will try my best not to do this. Thank you for reading my post and looking forward to sharing with all of you. Mike | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 430 Registered: 06-2000 |
Welcome Mike ; ... and thank you for the introduction to yourself . Your intentions are well stated , which I think is important for true communications on the inter(personally challenged) net . I think it is important to say that noone here needs to convince you of anything , although as conversations go , some will get intensely involved , as in any exchange of ideas and opinion . Here is a list of other websites for corroborating information : http://www.Theyfly.com http://www.gaiaguys.net http://www.tjresearch.info This is to be enjoyed , it's nothing to argue about , but to learn from . Kind thanks , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Mike, i don't understand the point that the scientific community has to prove the existence of extraterrestrial life.A more logic approach to this issue is "how can we prove there is no et life outside this solar system". Bacteria, viruses and other life forms export life via comets and asteroids.And life always conquers any environment. Thing is, there are too many powers interested in ridiculing extraterrestrials and blocking any attempt to make this question a general public question. Seti's approach to the ET reality is ridiculous.The ETs (and intraterrestrials too) are already here.Make use of the search machine in this site and type the word seti, you will receive many forum members opinion of seti's farce. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 454 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Mike! Welcome! :-) The good news is that you seem to have all the right qualities to find what you seek. The bad news is that you'll have to learn German! But most of what we see as UFO's are not ET. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/meierv7p438-444.htm and www.gaiaguys.net/DPETC-AllthatGlitters.htm Billy and the Plejaren teach that STRIVING is absolutely essential, and their info is organised that way, and in such a way that it is superficially often misleading for those who do not dig down. This protects Earth people's inadequate psyches. Please see www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm Happily, there is a lot (about 2%) now in English, and the book "And Still They Fly" is a MUST, as is the "Key to Our Future Survival" DVD. (Please see www.theyfly.com) And please visit www.gaiaguys.net/ufology.htm for the freebies, (particularly the Disclosure Project documents) and don't miss www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm once you start to gain speed. Happy learning! Dyson | ||
Mike New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dear people Thank you so much for your advice, thoughts, comments and time, yes definitely a number of issues I need to think about and re-evaluate. On this side of the world there seems to be little known about Mr. Billy Meier and his alleged extraordinary experiences. I tried to order Mr. Guido Moosbrugger book “And Still They Fly” from my local bookshop but was unable to, apparently something to do with book sale licences. I therefore managed to order the book from a very well known internet book company. I also managed to acquire “Contact from the Pleiades” by Wendelle Stevens again from the same well known internet book company. I think this story needs to be brought directly to people on this side of Europe. I am lucky to actually know two German acquaintances that have now settled in Ireland, but I am unsure whether they can provide the time for me or indeed cope with the material available. I agree in one sense Hector that SETI is questionable, after forty years of searching based on the 21cm hydrogen line for ET artificial signals the result has been zero. There are more worthy scientific endeavors such as SETV which has progressed beyond what SETI could ever be in scientific results. I am somewhat aware of the theory of simple organic compounds to bacteria been possibly transported through space by means of comets, asteroids to arrive eventually on planets. I think it is called the “seed” or “seeding” theory. Whether these simple compounds or bacteria establish themselves as a prime directive and possibly evolve to a level of intelligent species is one for debate. Sorry, I don’t have the credentials to offer a more in-depth discussion but I believe the theory you mentioned to be valid for many logical reasons. Sorry I am not familiar with “certain powers undermining the question of ET possibilities”, my knowledge is lacking in this area, but I believe this statement has an element of truth, one only has to mention UFOs, ET etc and the giggle factor automatically kicks in by uninformed people. The media seem to be the worst culprits for this effect from my experience. In the meantime I will study the links provided for me and get stuck in as it were, again many thanks to those that responded and take care. I appreciate the sharing. PS With honesty, I am not a self appointed expert in any field of study, I think one is always learning and therefore never an expert in anything. Mike | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 04-2006 |
You are no expert in any field and neither are we....One day we came here looking for answers.The answers given by Meier and the plejaren are hard to digest and evaluate, at first they defy what Meier calls "old school teachings", or just plain wrong teachings. I said Seti was a farce because if lightspeed is the limit, we would need 10 years to get a response from alfa centauri, 960 years (at least) from the pleiades....Since lightspeed is no barrier, extraterrestrials do not communicate via radiowaves....they travel the universe with their spaceships, but do not attempt wide contact with terrestrials.They still consider us to be quite barbaric in our "spiritual evolution". You do not have to agree with this, only make your own judgement and accept/reject Meiers statements based on your own reason and logic. Be welcomed | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2003 |
Melli, Here's something Billy said about the vehicle collection: What you don’t know, but will learn now, is that this “Museum of Vehicles”, as you call it, does not show vehicles only which were produced during the last 150 or so years, but encompass all means of transport from the first invention up to today; from the first wheel of stone, chariot, bicycle, etc. up to a Ferrari. The man who is collecting those vehicles is a friend of Quetzal and has the same passion as had his father and forefathers. This collection goes back thousands of years. The vehicles were bought with gold, rubies, money etc. etc., either by androids or by the collectors themselves (who were protected by their security devices). The full posting is here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6520.html | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 06-2006 |
does anyone know how androids were able to buy and collect some of the vehicles themselves without being seen? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 445 Registered: 06-2000 |
The androids , Alan , were very realistically human looking and acting . Billy was shocked at the human-ness of the ones that he saw on the Great Spacer on his huge voyage ..... long journey ... big trip . The new improved models are due in April ( ok , this last one's a joke , y'all! ) Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 504 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Just a quick one about Tony's contributions over at http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/72.html?1171623187#POST25529 about satanic music. I used to ridicule the Jesus-freaks who were upset about "Satanic" pop music. I had never heard of Aleister Crowley or the OTO, let alone the BAFATH! Tony's 100% correct, and the works of the Bafath are NOT to be underestimated. Their minions take both sides of every argument. I strongly suggest that you read www.gaiaguys.net/bloodonthealtar.htm and check out our latest gaiaguys-v-satan items @ www.gaiaguys.net/OTO.Ireland.16.10.06.htm TJ29:5 Truly, I say to you, many dogs will kill a hare, regardless of how many turns it makes. Salome, Dyson | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Dyson, I had a strong hunch that the alignment and idolization that some of the past/present biggest rock bands had with Satanist Aleister Crowley somehow lead all the way back to the Bafath, but because I didn't really know if it did, I was bit afraid and not confident enough to go as far as to say that to people here because of all the replies I received so far which were all of skepticism. So thanks Dyson for giving your opinion on the matter and helping me to further see that there really is more to the satanic A/C alignment then just being for a "cool image". | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 01-2006 |
A startling comment that JOHN LENNON said in the 1975 "THE PLAYBOY INTERVIEW WITH JOHN LENNON AND YOKO ONO" which only further seems to add truth to what was mentioned here in "THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK" article that read - "Little do most people suspect that it was with those innocent-looking Beatles, that most of the trouble started. Modern electronic-rock music, inaugurated in the early 1960s, is, and always has been, a joint enterprise of British military intelligence and Satanic cults. On the one side, the Satanists control the major rock groups through drugs, sex, threats of violence, and even murder. On the otherside, publicity, tours, and recordings are financed by record companies connected to British military intelligence circles. Both sides are intimately entwined with the biggest business in the world, the international drug trade. The so-called "rock stars " are pathetic puppets caught in a much larger scheme....." THE PLAYBOY INTERVIEW WITH JOHN LENNON AND YOKO ONO: JOHN LENNON - "We must always remember to thank the CIA and the army for LSD, by the way. That's what people forget. . ." ("The Playboy Interviews with John Lennon & Yoko Ono", by David Sheff & G. Barry Golson, p. 123) http://www.johnlennon.it/lennon_playboy_interview.htm Peter, just a quick pointer to what the truth is in regards to the two questions below that you just asked me before in the other section. ".......and for the record, ozzy osbourne is fairly religeous from what i have seen. also, where is the evidence that crowly sacrifieced hundreds of children? "satanic evangalist" ozzy? note how this religeous spin doctor is paraphrasing and telling people what this or that person really means etc....." Ozzy Osbourne and Satanism Photo below: Album cover for Ozzfest 2002. The beast is "Pan" (the god of sexual deviance, pedophilia, and rape--who represents Satan). Although Ozzy denies being a "Satanist," this photo clearly exposes him as a liar. Every witch and Satanist knows exact who pan is, and so does Ozzy!  Ozzy - "I really wish I knew why I've done some of the things I've done over the years. I don't know if I'm a medium for some outside source. Whatever it is, frankly, I hope it's not what I think it is - Satan". Ozzy Osbourne (Hit Parader, Feb., 1978, p.24) http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/ozzy.htm I think most people would be astonished to say the least to see a list of how many musicians and bands there are in the world's past/present music scene that the CIA's, Freemasonic, ect have succeeded in deliberately setting up and infected with Aleister Crowley's influence of satanic teachings is amazing. The list of names would be too long to list here if list had to also provide some form information/material there to show some form of support for each bands name involvement/influence. The famous pedophile musician called Michael Jackson is another one of the many big musicians names out there, that are helping to spread Aleister Crowley's satanic teachings and influence to the populace, and who also has that low life A/C satanic pedophile as their idol too. ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY: "Michael Jackson known as the king of pop..... regarded as the great entertainer of all times. responsible for selling best selling album in the world may not be known to be linked with the Freemasons, however , the cover of his "Dangerous" album has some interesting features. On it the FreeMasonic symbol of one eye can be found. It also contains a picture of a watery lake, behind which lay burning flames. It seems though anyone entering the water would really been entering into the fire. The cover also has a picture of a bald headed man well known to be the Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley himself was a FreeMason who became a Satanist and wrote a book "The New Law Of Man" which stated in it that it would one day replace the Quran as the law of man. Links between the FreeMasonry & the occult dont end here. The producs of the Masonically controlled music industry are riddled with the Satanic messages. Backtracking is the means of placing the recorded messages into the soundtracks in such a way that they only become clear when the track is played backwards. When its played forward however, the listener would be totally unaware that a message is being played. Although the listener may be unaware, the subconscious mind can pick up and understand the messages & in the long term these can be stored in the subconscious mind & may effect the person's behaviour or judgement. In many ways backtracking is form of hypnotism or brain washing & has the power to be very destructive." http://antimasons.8m.com/signs.htm The high percentage number of past/present bands/musicians that are aligned with satanist Aleister Crowley can't be all to use as only a "COOL IMAGE" thing. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 01-2006 |
I apologize Scott/people for posting again, but I accidently forgot to put in my prior post an important statement that Paul McCartney said in an interview which I was supposed to put and go with the statement that John Lennon said in the Playboy interview mentioned in my previous post. "The album's cover featured a picture of Crowley. One month after the album's release, the Beatles shocked the world by announcing, publicly, that they were regularly taking LSD. Beatle member Paul McCartney, in an interview with <life> magazine said, "LSD opened my eyes. We only use one-tenth of our brain." They also publicly called for the legalization of marijuana. The cat was now out of the bag, but the protests were few and minor." http://100777.com/node/151 THE PLAYBOY INTERVIEW WITH JOHN LENNON AND YOKO ONO: "In 1975, the Lennons became unavailable to the press, and though much speculation has been printed, they emerged to dispel the rumors -- and to cut a new album -- only a couple of months ago. The Lennons decided to speak with Playboy in the longest interview they have ever granted." JOHN LENNON - "We must always remember to thank the CIA and the army for LSD, by the way. That's what people forget. . ." http://www.johnlennon.it/lennon_playboy_interview.htm Photo below: "Most people recognize the Satanic hand sign which John Lennon is making at the bottom right; but, few people realize that the "ok" sign which Paul McCartney is making at the bottom left is also very Satanic. The "ok" sign is actually three 6's, each of the three vertical fingers forming an individual 6. 666!  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/aleister_crowley.htm | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 505 Registered: 03-2004 |
G’day, mate! Not my opinion - JHWH Quetzal's knowledge. In so far as I am aware, the ONLY place I’ve seen italics for emphasis in the thousands of pages of contact notes I’ve read is for the word “ALL” in the following sentence. “Wie kein Herrscher zuvor zwängte Kamagol l. alle irdischen Religionen in den Rahmen bluttordernder Kulte, die sich leider bis zur heutigen Zeit auf der Erde zu erhalten vermochten.” ("Like no ruler before, Kamagol the First forced all terrestrial religions into the frame of blood-demanding cults which, unfortunately, were able to be maintained on the Earth up to the current time.") - Quetzal, November 13th, 1975 www.gaiaguys.net/meierv1p490-492.htm That means “all” - is in “every single solitary one, without exception” - including Freemasonry (of all stripes) Satanism, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Raelianism, Scientology, Quakerism, Rastafarianism, atheism, sciencism, capitalism, militarism, etc. etc. ad nauseam. And I guess that could include the degenerate religious worship of pop idols and Mozart too. (But not Bach, of course. He’s different.)* Salome, Dyson *joke | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 01-2006 |
Because this discussion about satanic rock music has come to this section from another section. I just like to repeat in asking anyone who may not have read this article/report yet to read it because it is a MUST READ. The author is not religous btw. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK by Donald Phau start of 2nd chapter in article reads - Lockwood and EMI EMI, led by aristocrat Sir Joseph Lockwood, stands for Electrical and Mechanical Instruments, and is one of Britain's largest producers of military electronics. Martin was director of EMI's subsidiary, Parlophone. By the mid-sixties EMI, now called Thorn EMI, created a music divison which had grown to 74,321 employees and had annual sales of $3.19 billion. EMI was also a key member of Britain's military intelligence establishment. After the war, in 1945, EMI's European production head Walter Legge virtually took over control of classical music recordings, signing up dozens of starving German classical musicians and singers to EMI contracts. Musicians who sought to preserve the performance tradition of Beethoven and Brahms, were relegated to obscurity while "ex-Nazi" Party members were promoted. Legge signed and recorded Nazi member, the late Herbert Von Karajan, promoting him to superstar status, while great conductors such as Wilhelm Furtwangler were ignored. From the beginning, EMI created the myth of the Beatles' great popularity. In August of 1963, at their first major television appearance at the London Palladium, thousands of their fans supposedly rioted. The next day every mass-circulation newspaper in Great Britain carried a front page picture and story stating, "Police fought to hold back 1,000 squealing teenagers." Yet, the picture displayed in each newspaper was cropped so closely that only three or four of the "squealing teenagers" could be seen. The story was a fraud. According to a photographer on the scene, "There were no riots. I was there. We saw eight girls, even less than eight." (Philip Norman, Shout! The Beatles in Their Generation, p. 188) In February 1964, the Beatles myth hit the United States, complete with the orchestrated riots at Kennedy Airport, previously mentioned. To launch their first tour, the media created one of the largest mass audiences in history. For an unprecedented two Sundays in a row, on the Ed Sullivan Show, over 75 million Americans watched the Beatles shake their heads and sway their bodies in a ritual which was soon to be replicated by hundreds of future rock groups........................ | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1088 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please let's back to the topic heading | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott, I don't understand why you asked for this 'interesting' satanic music discussion to be taken out of the "Poetry, Music, and Art" section. I would like to hear more about this matter, but if it can't be discussed in the "music" section on the forum, or in this section either, then I ask you in which section do you suggest and would allow this particular music discussion to continue? Being a music topic and discussion, I fail to see the reason why it was taken out of the music section. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1089 Registered: 12-1999 |
Alan, the topic description for the Music section is "Please feel free to post your misc. poetry, music, or art here in this area."...now how does this relate to all of the postings that have followed....secondly even these previous posting in this section really don't have a lot to do with ET Intervention...granted Dyson has mentioned Kamagol and the Bafath, but everything else comes mainly from earth people and their distorted views....how can there be such a thing as "Satanic Music"...when satan really does not exist......its all part of a degenerate view of life, which enslaves people into fear and dependence..nothing more.. Scott | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey guys,   I stumbled upon these photos today without any knowledge of its authenticity, history or age. If someone has seen these before or even read info in one of Meiers writings please let me know. I find the evidence of Giants inhabiting Earth fascinating! I attribute some of these so called Giants as being possibly the Lyrians in transition between being truly giants letting gravity (after a few generations) adjust their heights to just really large people... still giants by any stretch if one looks at the photos. If these are authentic photographs and excavations I know of no other migration of ET races than those of the Lyrians that would fit this description. Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 508 Registered: 03-2004 |
"... how can there be such a thing as "Satanic Music"...when satan really does not exist"? How can there be such a thing as "Christian music" when "Jesus" really does not exist? Just my 2 cents. :-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1090 Registered: 12-1999 |
Wow Tim,,,where did you find these photo's? Found this one last year...  Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 04-2006 |
Astonishing and spectacular to say the least, Tjames.The first picture seems to be located somewhere between egypt and the middle east, and that is exactly where the Aryans settled. The second pic shows an enormous giant, at least 30 feet.I think the photos are authentic but somehow classified material.Anyway the vast majority would claim they are fake/false/fabricated, just like the case of Billy's. To get more information about this subject, please read http://www.tjresearch.info/OM.htm Excerpt:"However, many reputable reports do exist on fossils of giants. Here's an example from Essex, England, and here's a report of tombs with 15-ft tall giants from the Euphrates Valley in S.E. Turkey. There are reports of their graves within mounds, and of giant petrified human footprints. There are Australian giant fossils & tools that date from 10,000 to 240,000 years ago" Also,here i found a video where supposedly Randolph Winters takes a look at Billy's private photo collection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSGoOpCpoM | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2003 |
I think if you check out this link, you'll find that the picture is a hoax. http://www.rationalistinternational.net/article/20041001_en.html Original earlier picture:  | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 510 Registered: 03-2004 |
Source of giant femur replica: home.att.net/~warplover/06_the_nephilim.html Hint: 1st research, then post. (The giants in the Solomons Islands rainforests are evidently still active and they reportedly have femurs 8 feet long!) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey james, i dont know if this is any relevance but go to ... http://www.thesolomongiants.com/ interesting bit about triangular ufo's with humans piloting them etc. it may interest you. but for the most part they talk about the giants living there | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2003 |
I think you'll find more then just giants in the Solomons Island's rainforest. http://www.thesolomongiants.com | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thanks everyone, I'm still awaiting the source of these photos as I write this. Truthseeker, The picture you provided I have seen before and as claimed is the "adultured" photograph? It appears the photo with the skeleton is the correct photograph, correct? The bone colors let alone the shadow inconsistencies don't match with the tones of the color of the mud. The picture with the two skeletons appears to be in Northern Africa or the middle east and the surrounding environment appear to match the skeleton fossils hughs (or shade of color scheme) and is the same case for the skeleton with the darker earth and the two archeologists. Hector thank you for directing me to the passages in OM, this is exactly what I was thinking these people (skeletons) were when I posted the pictures. Dyson thank you very much for translating the OM for us to read. I am translating the monthly newsletters and other books, I have not started on the OM yet but WILL in due time, thanks. I will read up on the solomongiants and in the meantime await the response of the source for these photos, which I will be sure to update here. Thanks, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Tim, To be honest, what I posted was found by a friend of ours in Brazil who from time to time posts here on this forum, but as for the shadows not matching in the original photo of the one I posted, that sure brings up a whole new set of questions of yet another possible coverup. As for the Solomon giants, I believe this could also be the source from where we get the inspired fictional story of King Kong and skull Island when looking at the history of Guadalcanal. Let's not forget about Bigfoot. -Truthseeker | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 511 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Tim! Who sez I'm translating OM? Only timy bits here and there, not the whole thing. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 12-2004 |
LOL!! I see someone enjoys the Tim Hortons miniature donuts. Me as well, but with the translations i'm all over the place. Regarding the bones, here is a response I got when asking a fellow about the picutures I retrieved off of his "myspace" acccount. Here goes: (As a not to readers I (Tim) do not endorse the Reptilian theory) "Greetings Tim, I have been aware of that type of information for years and have heard of several excavations in which giants were uncovered (of course you will never see this on the main media unless Brittney Spears get's eaten by a giant or something). There was even a giant bed found that belonged to one of the ancient kings (I forgot the exact name off the top of my head). To actually SEE them adds a whole new perspective. Even I was breathtaken to see the remains of what the ancient texts and archeological marvels indicate. However, being an expert with photoshop and knowing the deceptive nature that sometimes comes in the field of archeology, the first thing I did was begin to study them for evidence of manipulation. . . . ....and thus far, I have not noticed anything that shows they are fakes, as one such as myself develops a keen eye for slight details in graphics over the years. In fact, I read somewhere that one of these images had been photoshopped (poorly) to make it NOT look like a giant. I then tried finding the pic's source, and did not get lucky. Perhaps I didn't did deep enough, but I am just so busy right now but the info I did find was pretty good. I did however google keywords relevant to the images, and did find a couple sites that had them and a few others. If you want my opinnion, based on my own research of the ancient world and what I have heard in different circles of archeology, I'd say these are real . . . one of the sites even proports one of them as being reptilian . . and if you look really closely, there are features that support this claim. Another reason I say they are real is because if they were a hoax, I guarantee they would be all over the news in order to shape and control mankind's beliefs about our ancient masters. I hope this was of help. Let me know how I may be of service.---Merlin." Well, the picture he speaks about Truthseeker I believe is the one you posted, so it is globally recognized as a fake by some circles of conciousness. As for a knowledge of "where" the alledged originals that I posted came from... we are still at a loss. I'll continue searching... Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 427 Registered: 07-2005 |
Could this be true Another claim with a big question mark Sex with an alien geeeeeeesssssss http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/02/07/01353.html Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 556 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, This one’s very interesting! http://www.bltresearch.com/eyewitness5.html Nancy Talbot is a log-time “crop circle” researcher, and she investigated a CE3 in Poland where the flying saucer evidently left the same sort of landing tracks which Billy photographed in 1976. Nancy writes: (snip)“The "leader" (who was the only communicator) then stated that they had come to deliver a message to the inhabitants of Earth, and Lech had the impression that he was being charged with the responsibility of spreading this message as widely as possible. In essence the message was that we must "care" for ourselves and our planet, and that if we continue to disrespect the laws of Nature, the result will be catastrophic. (snip) So far as we know this is the first detailed eyewitness report of a "solid body" type UFO and "humanoid" beings being directly associated with the creation of a crop circle. (snip) Addendum, March 1, 2007: Dr. James Deardorff, now Professor Emeritus in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University, and a meticulous student of the intensely controversial Billy Meier "contactee" case in Switzerland, has informed me that Meier found similarly-swirled imprints in grasses in conjunction with some of his UFO/humanoid encounters during the 1970s. See: www.tjresearch.info/BillyYes.htm - about 80% of the way down the page, Figs. 13, 14, 15). See also: www.ltjresearch.info/hasenbol.htm (about 60% down the page, click on "swirled patterns"). One photo (taken from the video "The Meier Chronicles," produced by Lee & Brit Elders) shows a set of 3 circles with counter-clockwise swirls (another set is at the extreme left of the photo) which Meier found after one contact incident. Second photo is a close-up, showing the swirling pattern more clearly. I have no direct knowledge of the Billy Meier case and, thus, no informed opinion regarding it. But I do know that Dr. Deardorff is a professional, well-educated scientist who has published a considerable volume of work in mainstream peer-reviewed journals during his academic career. My knowledge of other serious scholars indicates that they generally utilize the same skills and training in their evaluation of any subject they study, and so I have to consider this information about the Meier case seriously.” We thank Nancy for her comments, (and her great research into CCs!) and thank Jim for saving me the trouble of contacting her. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 499 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum I don't know what it is about ABBA but I've got to tell ya their songs are timeless and intoxicating. The innocence in which ABBA exudes is an infatuating quality to people of this era who are so numbed and inured by the whorisation of everything that moves and wiggles that it is a welcome change for people to go back to the past from time to time and enjoy the real music that we all reminisce (by earthly standards). Yet how could it be that 4 unique lives (agnetha, born, benny, anni-frid) could come together to bring us So I say thank you for the music For the songs I'm singing Thanks for all the joy they're bringing Who can live without it I ask in all honesty What will I be Without a song and dance What will I be So I say thank you for the music For giving it to me So I say thank you for the music For giving it to me. The incredible voices of A&A The genius of song writings of B&B The quirky costumes that resembles space faring fashion. The idolisation initiated and the history that they've created through their unique songs It appears as if like Elvis Presley, the creation of the group ABBA could not have been by chance but through ET intervention, that their songs will outlast many generation to come. I dare say their influence of pop culture had not been all too positive. The lyrics seem to condone a lot of whats wrong with this society. Songs like money money money glorifies materialism epitomised in a rich man Fernando glorifying heroism in war Dancing Queen glorifying the women's right to just let loose and have a good time on the dance floor. The winner takes it all glorifying the idea that you should be the winner and take it all. I have a dream glorifying angels and misguides people into thinking that angels do exists. etc etc etc etc etc etc. ABBA came into being whilst the Bafath was still at the helm of their underground nexus of power. To mesmerise the common people, what ingenious way to dilute the power of the people by off setting them with such infatuating choruses of the ABBA music on which many other genre and off shoots had surfaced in the pop world of music. So in conclusion, My conjecture is that ABBA and other celebrity musicians of that era had been influenced telenotically by Bafath to induce idolisation and wrongly lead people away to other distractions besides religion. I believe in angels something good in everything I see I believe in angels When I know the time is right for me I'll cross the stream I have a dream. angels/bafath????????? cheers Matt | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 04-2006 |
I agree when you say many artist may have been influenced by impulses, be the positive or the negative kind.There is a whole genre called christian music, and maybe gospel too, constantly tuning and conecting to Bafath telenotic impulses.When such authors/ think "im inspired today", it is not true, they are only borrowing other's ideas. Next question is what artists have been influenced by neutral-positive impulses, people who write & sing about higher values like spirit, reincarnation, immortality, creation? Such artists will never be mainstream.I recommend a band called The Chameleons (UK).Their topics include introspection, reflexion,alienation, the absurdity of today's society, hints to reincarnation, denounciation of religion and hipocrisy...etc.Here you can listen to them http://www.kexp.org/aspnet_client/KEXPViewMediaGroup.aspx?rID=180&pID=528&fID=539&artist=AI fans reviews: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000006XJ2/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-9337324-2928820?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=5174 Saalome | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1117 Registered: 02-2000 |
So now the Bafath are great musicians?  I'm sure there could, or is influence there but it could be more after they became famous. Elvis believed in Aliens & Lennon saw a UFO in the 70s. But it sure doesn't make them evil. My Website | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2007 |
I thought the Bafath left planet Earth some 30 years ago. How are they still causing telenotic impulses? Do you mean maybe tuning into Bafath impulses from the akashic records? Maybe artists are just tuning into their own bad thoughts and feelings, like the blues. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 693 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, As I mentioned here more than once, Ptaah said that the Bafath impulses will continue to linger for another 200-300 years. And the Plejaren said they (the P's) don't do their thought impulses to scientists, sci-fi writers, etc. any more. I've got a translation underway about the secret global conspiracy involving pop music and language degeneration in the works. Gimme a few days. (Elvis was a mason. The Beatles were Crowley freaks.) Salome, Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 509 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hey Hector Yeah I am thinking that it is plausible especially of that tumultuous era of the 70's where vietnam war was raging, massacre in Laos, the watergate scandal, Cambodian social engineering by khmer rouge with millions massacred, and throes of numerous other conflicts which had happened then. Hi Norm Yeah precisely, you don't have to be evil to create evil. Even with the best of intentions, people can be evil without them knowing it. My reference about ABBA is that what seem on the surface to appear harmless could quite dramatically turn out a poison pill. Case in point, the air we breath gives life but highly compressed air could kill. Hi Fedor It's much more complex than that Fedor, what has set in motion such as a runaway train can only be stopped when it's stopped. Just as parents pass on good and bad traits to their children, so will those values that will inevitably pass on inter-generationally to the next and so on. Ever heard children say 'I don't want to be like my parents' but as they grow old, they become a mirror image of their parents with both good and bad attributes instilled in them by their parents. It is I think in this context that certain attitude will linger inter-generationally until some drastic measure have been instituted for a change. The attitude and thoughts instilled by the bafath on world leaders works the same. Hi Dyson Dyson in respect to the term Plejarens, are you including the other federation members into the same package? I wonder what roles other federation members play in our earthly affairs. I mean the Baawi race is one group who has had a hand in our terrestrial affairs since the time of Jmmanuel, I wonder what of other races who has recently joined the federation? If not the Plejarens, could they have taken over where the Plejarens have left off and continue to send impulses to terrestrial scientists etc? cheers Matt | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 695 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matt, Ptaah says, "we", so I assume he means the Federation. Would others have taken over the task? I doubt it. Terra is evidently the P's job. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1118 Registered: 02-2000 |
How do these telenotic devices work. Even though the Bafath are no longer here? Can't the Ps disarm them. It cracks me up how to this day they let those bastards have any type of influence on earth. I also would love a detailed explanation from the Ps on why it would be such a big deal to land take over the planet. They could reorganize the planet. As we know everything would for the better. I'm sure that most the earth population would love a change for the better & those that flip out in the beginning would see the positive changes & come around in the end. Infact those that wanted no ET influence could still be given their own area of earth to live in their old stupid ways. I'm just so sick of the Scum having their say ruining this planet & the F**kin Bafath still influencing things. You can't even go to the Hospital today with being treated like a piece of crap in a place where you are sick & in need of care the most. Mankind is degenerating into a piece of slime. My Website | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dyson, do you mean Bafath impulses or influences? Or maybe the influences of their old impulses? Since they are not here, they cannot be generating any new impulses, though their influences may still linger. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 07-2004 |
The influences will only be completely dissipated when the several hundred or so world/religious leaders who became effected by the Bafath, have passed on and their offspring have not carried these vibrations as a heritage. With the powerful corrupt organizations lurking as the new 'Bafath' evil, the old residue left stinking from them will hardly be remembered. As far as the Ps taking over the helm and steering this planet for us, it is clear we must be the ones who correct our path. If we are being given all our answers without the knowledge that our mistakes create for us, we will still be the primitive and dangerous human race that hasn't grown from a place of learned wisdom. Our past civilizations show signs of being led by greatness and then sudden periods of being lost, decreased intelligence and of grievous treatment towards other humans. These appear to myself as if we were under the control of smarter humans that eventually left and civilization crashed from the void of their oversight. It will be necessary for us to overcome any gaps we have in our evolution. Being fed will not teach us to grow our own food and the Plejaren maintain the position that we must help ourselves in this aspect. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 703 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Fedor, Yeah. Sorry. I should have been more precise, but often the wording of the contact notes is such that an unambiguous meaning is unattainable. Contact 264 of May 14th, 1998, Billy and Ptaah are talking about the USAmerican Men in Black who accomplished the Asket-Nera photo hoax, and how the Giza (Bafath) impulses had been influencing the baddies for decades. Billy asks, “Doch wie lang warden diese Giza-Impulse noch auf der Erde wirksam sein?“ (Indeed, how long would these Giza impulses still be efficacious on the Earth?) To which Ptaah replies, (v.33)“Das kann unter Umständen noch 200 oder 300 Jahre dauern.“ (That can, under [certain] circumstances, still last for 200 or 300 years.) But this is like someone whispering in an ear. It’s not an excuse for inaction on the part of people who know the truth and remain apathetic about fixing the mess. Dear Norm, I don’t know the details of how these impulses are generated, etc. But the P’s tell us that there are seven more characteristics of electrons which Earth scientists know nothing about. (We don’t know about photons either.) I empathize, believe me, with your unhappiness, but the answer I provided to your question remains the same since the last time you asked it. It’s in the archives somewhere here. In short - they won’t do it for us because it won’t work. We have to do it for ourselves, and they are wise/loving enough to tell us how. The rest is up to us. (Change your own thinking. It’s up to you.) Dear Shawn, good point in your last paragraph. I hadn't thought of that. But you initially write, "The influences will only be completely dissipated when the several hundred or so world/religious leaders who became effected by the Bafath, have passed on and their offspring have not carried these vibrations as a heritage. " Logically, the influences will only be completely dissipated when our race somehow overcomes the terrible disgenics of millennia of war, were the best and the brightest of our youth die in the mud and the blood, while those unfit to serve stay home and breed. Salome, Dyson P.S. Just something which has been bothering me since read it somewhere on this forum a few weeks ago. Somebody twice mentioned that Semjase had said that the Jews were dregs. Still wrong, and I continually correct this pernicious error of fact because nobody else here does. She said the Hebraon alliance were “scum” (Abschaum). Not “Jews”. Not “dregs”. Please look up “scum” and “dregs” in the dictionary. They are not just vague deprecatory terms. They mean something. They are opposites. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 766 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm.... Elvis even witnessed UFOs above Graceland, as far as I know. On some occasions. Just as John Lennon, the Rolling Stones when giving a concert: 3 or something Illuminating Objects during an outdoor concert; which I once read in one of their Biographic books; even Keith Richards...had a very 'heavy' story: him saying he woke-up one night and heard a noise coming from outside, and he opened the door, and witnessed a Disk or Saucer on his lawn(was he...or was he not TOO STONED...maybe, at the time!??)! Well, he was very convinced of his/this encounter. And some say it is all linked to one Kenneth Anger, whom was a disciple and practitioner of Alester Crowley??? And it seems that the Stones(Keith/Mariann Faithful) were very deep into it?? And not to forget KISS; whom also said that they had had, on occasions when on their airplane flights to cities said of fireballs or illuminated objects flying with their private plane. And not to forget....Steve Miller (Band); whom said he was saved by UFOs during an automobile accident; he witnessed them before the accident happened. So, there have been many many known musicians as well as other artists whom have had some sort of UFO encounters....at one time. Edward. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Dyson, could you please tell me which contact number was the one in which the seven other characteristics of electrons were mentioned in, even if they were not specified. That is very interesting stuff and if there was anything else in that contact or others about electrons, could you paraphrase what you understand from those contacts in regards to this subject? Much appreciated if you can. I am a bit of a hobby physicist and this stuff is FASCINATING!!! Thanks! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 711 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Thomas, My pleasure! I'm a little busy with SB34 at the moment, but try v5, p382 & p452 for electromagnetism, and v5, p289 for photons. Not much is given away about electrons, but we learn that photons have an invisible characteristic which penetrates kilometers into solid rock, and keeps the cave-fish alive! The contact notes are full of stuff like that just waiting to be found by ignorant/arrogant scientists, but we chose to translate what we think is most vital first. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 07-2004 |
The specifics of war to our race has been the one catastrophic unchanging trait that continues to doom our chances of evolving either into a galaxy wide member of merit, or an advancing physical being that has a chance of growing their spirit mainly on this planet. As it may well turn out, our spirits could end up searching for the next nearest planet to continue its growth as our planet marches forward to an unforgivable destruction. As obsolete as war is to overtake a country, mankind clings to the barbaric trait as a rallying cry to appease some damn genetic code our weak leaders abuse. Being that we never asked for this genetic change there should be some help in resolving this from the ET's. The pendulum needs to swing back in this area as we've been to the far side way to long. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 06-2006 |
Edward: "So, there have been many many known musicians as well as other artists whom have had some sort of UFO encounters....at one time. " Edward, you might believe them, but I don't believe what any of those Crowley followers/musicians say. I don't believe anything that 'bad' people have to say. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 06-2006 |
In fact I wouldn't believe what any 'good' musician or celebrity has to say either because they are all attention seekers. | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2007 |
Alan, so by you, anyone you judge to be "bad" has no redeeming qualities or characteristics? Like if a man cheats on his wife but is a good father to his children, he's kindling for the fire? Or a man could be a failure as a businessman but an excellent technical expert in his field. Should his expertise be disregarded because he couldn't cut it in business? There are millions of examples like these. Don't you think it would be better to take into account the totality of a person’s actions, all the good and the all bad, before making simplistic judgments? But of course, why would you want to BELIEVE anyone, anyway? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 714 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey, Alan! Steady on! A LOT of us here are musos! Don't be so hasty. Many of us find our inner spirit (Creation) through the joyous magic of music. Dr. Greer has discovered that dance-party light shows often seem to attract UFOs. (Not the ET type.) There is a distinct connection between Crowley and pop music. There is also a history of anti child-abuse activists being abducted by flying saucers and tortured. Did you read this? www.gaiaguys.net/Call.me.Laure.O.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Fedor and Dyson, I am talking about not listening to what any of the famous musicians and celebrities have to say when it comes to them talking about seeing UFO's or having encounters with them, because of how their job is attention seekers. I wouldn't believe someone in the street if they told me they saw a UFO (because so many people say they have), so why would I want to believe a famous person. The only type of person I would or might believe is someone I personally know and who I know is honest and wouldn't lie about such things. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 212 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks for the response Dyson. I understand about the page numbers but what does the little "v" before the page numbers stand for? Is that the Contact Block Book number or something else? Thanks again and have a good day :-) Thomas | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 768 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Alan..... The case is not, if those musician or other artists: are what you call/name - 'BAD' -; they just make their music sort in their own ways, which can differ from other sorts of music types...as well as your own taste! It is the individuals around/surrounding these musicians that have some sort of 'Agenda' in mind! And want to Force their - Religion or Cult or what ever (non-sense), practices upon them. We must keep in mind: that many very rich bands(making 10's of millions) have been approached by the likes of Kenneth Anger, as well as Alester Crowley and other types...etc....whom want to - Get On The Bandwagon -, so that they can further expand their Negative Cult teachings(Satanism, Devilism, Lusiferism... and what not, for other non-sense!: UFO related or not!)influence upon those musicians that SEEK(just as everyone else does: SEEK); but, alas...there are...out there, musicians that are very unknowing to the true facts of Life and Existence, and thus, by own 'Naivety'...- fall in the trap -, so to speak. So, we must indeed...'Distinct' the musicians and their music from the likes of individuals as Kenneth Anger and Alester Crowley...and what have we more; whom think in a very 'Unbalanced' Frame Of Mind! Thus, the naive musicians whom fall in their trap...can as well, be compared to a/the common individual(s)....that falls in that trap of, what every 'Mainstream' Religion Cult: it be Christianity, Judaism, Catholicism....etc ....etc....etc.......!!! So: it is best not to put them all in the same pot of peas, if you please! But of course: those musicians and artists, as well as those common individuals converted to Christianity, or what ever: CAN ALWAYS SAY 'NO'! So, they just - Self Determined - their own destiny(as any Creature Of CREATION is granted: FREEWILL!). THUS: this does NOT mean....that those Musicians and Artists, and Common individuals...are what you call - BAD -, which they Truly are NOT! THEY, are just 'Misled'...Human Beings, just as YOU, and as others have been on this board! And thus, I would not say that even Kenneth Anger and Alester Crowley are BAD individuals, as you define; but they are just - Unbalanced individuals in a Confused State Of MIND! THEY TOO....HAVE BEEN 'MISLED'! Alan, if you have STUDIED...the FIGU materials and all of what Billy has to say; you may...positively, understand, or maybe even....comprehend, what I am referring to? But, untill than.... Pleasant studying, I should say.... Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 718 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Alan, OK. "Famous pop musicians", as opposed to the rest of us! :-) Point taken and I tend to agree with you. Less ET intervention on Earth than USAP intervention on Earth. Don't forget the weird Crowley-NASA connection. Dear Thomas, "v" for "verse" or numbered sentence. Just my shorthand. Are you familiar with Crandall's vacuon theory? www.gaiaguys.net/masons.vacuons.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 06-2006 |
"So: it is best not to put them all in the same pot of peas, if you please!" Edward, you've said a lot there, but very little in relation to the point of what I was talking about. I wouldn't believe a thing they say because All musicians and famous people are ALL a bunch of attention seekers. So: it is best to put them all in the same pot of peas! | ||
Fedor Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2007 |
Alan, I would respectfully suggest that not all musicians and famous people are attention seekers, and not all attention seekers are "bad" people. Everyone has value, and everyone deserves to be heard. Now, I do agree that a cult of celebrity has overtaken the world which distracts from the important facts/world events at hand. But I wouldn't blame the musicians/artists for this negative development. They are used for this purpose by the money-making media people behind the scenes. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 723 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thomas, "V" or "v" could also mean "volume" if I write, (for intstance) "v5". Sorry. Pretty dumb. :-/ I get my merms tuddled between languages. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2006 |
Fedor, I suppose it depends on how you feel about it, but as I said, I wouldn't believe what any 'good' or 'bad' famous musician or person says about seeing UFO's or having encounters with them. The only people I would believe is people I personally know, or persons from the discloser project testimonials. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 06-2006 |
btw, speaking of 'good' musicians and celebrities, has any of these rich famous persons or musicians ever donated any money to Figu to help in translating Billy's spirit books or whatnot??? (help the mission) I bet that quite a few of them know and follow the Meier material. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 03-2004 |
I have read about it but threw it out Dyson for various reasons, but it has been a while since I dealt with it... So does "v" stand for verse or volume now? I am a bit confused but I am assuming it means volume??? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 769 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Just a correction: 'approached by the likes of Kenneth Anger, as well as Alester Crowley and other types...etc' When mentioning Alester Crowley in the previous posting; I am referring to Alester Crowley's Cult Religion false teachings, and those whom practiced it after his death, and tried to keep it alive. Crowley was already deceased in 1947. Just to put this all in the right context...  Edward. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 729 Registered: 03-2004 |
THEY'RE BACK.  http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2007/oliverscastle/oliverscastle2007.html www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 541 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Dyson Wow Dyson, the number 333 is reminiscent of satanic number 666 divided by 2. The number 33 minus the another 3 representing the number of people killed at VTech. The satanic sacrifices always seem to happen on the month of April such as the Oklahoma bombing, columbine shooting, Branch Davidian slaughter. Its just my speculation but the crop circle looks like a forewarning of the events to come on the 15th April. Seeing as an event like this has a stupendous worldwide ramification, what looks like the rings circling the sphere is symbolic of an event encompassing and spreading throughout the whole globe originating from a central source. Whats with this VT at the backdrop of Bush's speech, it looks ominous and must represent a hidden symbolic meaning other than Virginia Tech. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Anyway the satanists have done it once again The ritual sacrifice and killing. The slaughter of innocent lambs (young people) The murderous rampage of a brainwashed clone doing the dirty deed. The onslaught of media frenzy doing the usual spin, painting a picture of a mean and very disturbed individual but nobody seemed to be asking the right questions, least of all what was the killer's life like outside of the VT, in his home with his family. Why aren't they brought out of hiding to answer some questions? What other activities besides his studies at VT did cho engage in? Since the witnesses tells of a man very adept at shooting with this blank ominous expression reminiscent of brainwashed assassins, how was he able to acquire such a skill? Since drugs and hypnosis may have been involved, who was giving it and hypnotising him, if ever it occurred? What other days with symbolic significance will be used throughout this year and beyond for such similar happenings to occur? Shocking, its truly shocking and people are powerless to do anything about it like a dog chained and brutalised everyday into submission, made to quiver at the sight of a single strand of hair of it's tormentor, subjugated in spirit, mind and body and unable to free itself from its own fear. Truly shocking. cheers Matt | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1166 Registered: 12-1999 |
Looks like the AT&T Symbol  | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 07-2004 |
The crop circle seems to represent the idea we are now totally immersed in the influence of some sort of frequency or resonance. The whole circle is completely saturated with a visual concept of a wave movement. Some aspect of our society is now permeated by what this wave represents. The recent killing spree by an obvious mind control subject and the nation as a whole reacting( an extremely important word in the mind control program ) to this event, may be a part of what this crop circle entails. With this in mind (assuming) I can describe either, we as a human species are now at the peak of the control of our mind and we are being given all they have( they will only be able to apply more of the same effects ), or, we as a human species are being bombarded from elsewhere with some all encompassing resonation that floods us on a frequency level we need not be told what it is because we all will respond to real feelings of true emotions of universal love. Or for a short moment, all on our planet felt the loss of life and the depth it can reach, even on the most hate filled levels people exist on. I don't know if any of that makes sense, but I have recently, again, been exposed to the tale of Cathy O'Brien, and if you watch this video, you will know a great deal more than you have ever known before. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7850559484065398098 a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 07-2004 |
Yes Scott, that is a very good observation. The difference being a range of interference that is used on the AT&T symbol. I assume AT&T are promoting their complete coverage of the globe with this icon. May be a similar idea with the crop circle. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 731 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear all, Look again. It’s a hole.  These people love optical illusions and have introduced some new ones. And the width of the circle is exactly 33 feet. (33 degrees of open Freemasonry, 33 dead at Virginia Tech – “Virginia” as in the sacrifice of virgins) The AT&T logo is the classic netted globe, but the shape of the latitude lines also evoke the ellipse of the Eye of Horus. Once you learn their symbolic language you can read the crop circles, too. As they wrote in 1991, in the ancient Latin secret Freemasonic code language, “We are opposed to cunning and deceit”, and of course as is written elsewhere “He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe.” And again just ten years later, “Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. … We oppose DECEPTION” was written for us in the fields The extraterrestrials are not allowed to assemble the puzzle for us but Creation allows them to help. Cheers! Dyson | ||
James Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2005 |
The circle has 7 arcs like our universe contains seven belts. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 543 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum So it isn't actually the ETs and hoaxers alone who are making these crop circles but also the military financial industrial complex groupies. Then it might be safe to say that what Ptaah mentions about cosmic electromagnetic influences that compels certain people to make these forms are none other than the military industrial and financial complex using electromagnetic technology to imprint these field forms. Then this must allude to satellites stationed in orbit that not only is a space based weapon of various sorts but also an avenue whereby the crop circles are formed with it. Then the question arises, how extensively are these weapons being deployed in Iraq and Afganistan. And what of neat giants holes in the clouds the meteorological senors are detecting over parts of America that may not be attributed to HAARP. If they can set off earthquakes with this technology then surely Iran must be a clear target in the foreseeable future as has occurred before. cheers Matt | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Dyson, It also reminds me of when I was a kid and I saw a rattlesnake in a gopher hole. The snake was in a hole that had a cross section removed and I saw only the tail with it's banded stripes move across the opening. I never forgot that quickly changing moment of danger and excitement, two things that help photographic memories. Wasn't their another crop circle that was similar but also showed the other end/opening of the hole. If you recall it showed a small circle at the bottom and similar rings that circled around it but offset some what. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 04-2006 |
Represent crop circles some kind of warnings, graphic prophecies? Reducing the image to simplicity, what i see is a planet diminishing in size.Maybe they are telling us something about the environment, global warming and overpopulation. If we follow this destruction-exploitation course we'll have at our disposal just a fraction of the resources we enjoy today. Just a thought... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dyson, I know that you are heavily into conspiracy theories, but I am from Virginia, and it was named after Queen Elizabeth I of England, who was known as the Virgin Queen. Maybe you were just being humourous with your Virginia reference but I am beginning to wonder about your clarity of thinking in these matters if not... | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1128 Registered: 02-2000 |
Conspiracy buffs will find a conspiracy in everything major incident look at David Icke's books. I also at one time believed in all of them but not anymore. I was spining in circles because of it & felt like some of them were true but others were just disinfo or just plain creating something that wasn't there. Like no one bought into the Apollo 11 one until Billy pointed it out. And if you did buy into the Moon conspiracies you couldn't tell one from the other, you thought they were all faked not just Apollo 11. My Website | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 07-2004 |
Regardless of who has created this icon in the fields, they were created and done so with intelligence. Of course knowing which group was responsible helps, but with critical thinking an answer can be had. Many questions we can ask will lead us to a better idea of what it is meant to depict, regardless of how simple a question may be. Like if this is the first crop circle of the year. Examples of similar ones. Breaking the details down piece by piece. Comparing it to similar images that aren't crop circles. There's much we can learn as we attempt the decoding that are the unintended knowledge bits. Hi Norm, Critical thinking, deep thinking can dissolve the fake conspiracy theories. It's like you say that you no longer believe in all them which was a part of critical thinking. The conspiracy of just about anything exists in someone's mind. But conspiracy just notes that more than one person is involved in the event. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 741 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Thomas, Please do not concern yourself about my “clarity of thinking in these matters”. If I am to be very charitable and take you at face value, I’d say that you had “misunderstood”. As it is written in OM K47:44 Der Afterweise ist der Schrecken aller Menchen, denn mit Glauben betrügt er sich und alle andern. (The sophist is every human’s terror, because he deceives himself and everybody else with belief.) I am from Massachusetts, so of course I am very aware that your state was named after ERI, and your insinuation that I was in some way suggesting that Virgina was named after anything else is risible. Nor was I “just being humorous” with my reference to sacrificial virgins. There is nothing funny, in my opinion, about ritual child sacrifice. The perpetrators have many very recklessly audacious evil ideologies and methodologies, so please do not conflate my relating of them with my invention of them. Do your homework please. Have you personally communicated with any of the survivors? Have you read "The Franklin Cover-up"? Please see www.gaiaguys.net/vic.links.htm (For that matter, what do you know about, for instance, the truth about permanent magnetism and/or Electrical Power Engineering, and the ruthless historical squashing thereof?) Do you own the contact notes (V1-8)? If so you will be aware that Billy and the Plejaren inform us that there are far more conspiracies functioning on this beleaguered planet than I could begin to innumerate here, and they tell us that our world is bristling with CIA and Mossad agents. If you look at the opening page of our website you will see the conspiracies we are busily uncovering, as opposed to “theories”. This is - we are informed - one of the main reasons why we count our website's daily hits in millions. Salome, Dyson | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2007 |
The only way to build a complex crop circle is to attach a computerised microwave beam equipment to the irrigation system of the field, so that it work as a plotter over the fields. but such equipment would by very complex and expensive. And I don't think that anybody lost his time in that hobby. Maybe to attract tourist to the area and raise the business of the area. But. I don't believe that those crop circles are made by earth humans or earth industry. 1. Many crop circles are made from night to day, and are too complex to be done by artists. 2. the peoples have reported weird things that happens near some of the crom circles; such as strange sounds, nausea, and weird substances in the areas. 3. Some peoples have seen little spherical "ships" flying near the circles. In my opinion those crop circles are a type of alphabet used by an extraterrestrial race in the spiritual telepathy. Maybe they want that we learn those symbols to communicate with us in their spiritual telepathic symbols. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 270 Registered: 08-2004 |
Earth humans are capable of constructing very detailed, complex and articulated crop circles, and have done so. One group were on Japanese TV demonstrating one or two beautiful ones they made for them overnight in total darkness. The celebrated "rose" crop cirlce in England was one done by them. Anything geometrical can be easily constructed. This group even takes orders from people and fulfils them. One ordered crop circle was of a sushi shop owner's family seal which was made in England. They interviewed both the shop owner and the very computer savvy English crop circle making group. The group works out the design on computer first and then plans out as a team how they will create it in the field using pegs, sticks, string, boards and their bodies. They are a smart group of young men. I remember one of them was called Matthew. Of course, as you mention in 2. and 3. above there are many anomalies associated with many crop circles. It is unfortunate that recently these ones are usually those to receive the lesser attention, because they are usually visually less spectacular; but, it is just these that may hint at or relate to extraterrestrial activity. Basically the more gemetrical a crop circle is the easier it is for humans to construct in the dark without lighting. This has been proven by the above crop circle making group, and filmed and shown on nationwide TV throughout Japan. There are all kinds of crop circle out there from all kinds of humans. Discernment is the order of the day -- and hard detailed investigation that leaves no possibility, evidence, or clue out of the scene if one is not to be duped, and there are probably many who would love to dupe. Best, cpl | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2007 |
The experiments that some extraterrestrials perform here on earth on humans in my opinion are polemic experiments on their worlds. And so they come to us less evolved race to do the experiments. Many peoples that where abducted by extraterrestrials and where submitted to experiments have died of cancer and other unknown illness. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1227 Registered: 12-1999 |
Incredible, Have you read any of Billy's information regarding abductions. If you read Bulletin number 2 to start with, you will find abductions by ET's is considerably very rare. There is really no proof to much of this, except in many cases just the person's word concerning his or her alleged abduction. Scott | ||
Trevor New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello, I have a question about the Tombs in the The Valley Of The Kings in Egypt. I just read about how the Pyramids were built around 75,000 years ago, but it didn't mention the Tombs, and wondered what the correct time/year was when most of the tombs in the The Valley Of The Kings were built. Were they between 1539 BC to 1075 BC as what we are told they were, or were they built in the same time as the Pyramids? The reason I asked is because of how most of the Pharaohs Tombs there have a solid granite sarcophagus in them weighing around 7-12 tons, which had been brought down there with, in most cases, only inches to spare between the walls of the corridors. I can't see how these sarcophagus's could have possibly been carried in there, if it wasn't with the use of spiritual forces, the same as the Pyramids, but the people that built them were here 75,000 years ago. So I am just wondering if anyone knows the time when those Pharaohs Tombs were built and who built them too?  Floor plan of some of the Pharoah's Tombs "In the middle of the burial chamber is the pharaoh's colossal granite sarcophagus. "It is the largest sarcophagus in the Valley of the Kings weighing 70 tons." http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/422/travel.htm | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2007 |
Now that Trevor starting talking about acient pyramids, I would like to ask something thing too. Well i was reading some contact notes between ptaah and billy on gaiaguys about the gizas,ashtar sheran,and kamagol, ect ect.... and it came to my attention that ptaah mentioned that kamagol made some type of bases hide outs deep under the giza pyramids. so i was wondering if billy has ever mentioned them still being there. this really got me interested cause just yesterday i watched a documentary about the pyramids of the world, and some archealogists and historians/researchers were claiming that deep under the great sphinx they have found with some sattelites and other equipment some type of chambers/tunnels which they think acient atlantians left some type of historic writings about atlantis. so maybe there's some type of connection and there actually kamagols hideouts. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 03-2004 |
The large spaces under the pyramid at Giza was eradicated/filled in by the Plejarens after the exile of the Bfath so that it now appears as though the space was never there. Don't recall the exact contact number. | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello, isn't it risky of the Plejarens to have mentioned the bafath having a vast headquaters chamber and beamship underneath the pyramids. Whats stopping a power hungry corrupt country like the US going there and digging through the remains and making use of any ET technology they find there to rule the world? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 03-2004 |
There are NO remains to dig through Trevor. It has been filled in with natural materials and the technology is gone. | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks for letting me know that Thomas! I should have realized the Plejaren's were not that silly or careless to do that anyway. I wonder if you can you also help me with the answer to my number 4 post above? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 03-2004 |
Trevor, I do not know the answer to that question. | ||
Seeker New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2007 |
I apologise if I post this in the wrong forum as I am new here. Has anyone encountered Dan Burisch, I believe the name is. He is a scientist who supposedly works in the US black ops and has these fantastical tales... Are they just that? | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 05-2007 |
fantastical tales, are you mocking us. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 312 Registered: 04-2006 |
Mr Burisch belongs to a long list of hypthetical scientist who work for the US government in the shadow, doing and investigating incredible things. I would only take 10% of the presented information as true.Disinformation, confusion and deceit is the government most powerful weapon when it comes to silence or cover up the UFO controversy. Seeker, welcome here! | ||
Seeker New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2007 |
I dare not mock, dear Original Dave. I just really want to get an understanding for what Billy has said and if there is anyone out there who independently confirms what his work has been saying for so long. I have seen enough evidence of his preditcive power, but am only looking to find truth in the other aspects of his story and this case. | ||
Seeker New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2007 |
Thanks Hector I tend to immediately discount his abductee story and the 2 different time lines trying to alter the past story, as well as stargates bit, yet some other things do sound plausible, which is why I asked. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 08-2004 |
"2 different time lines trying to alter the past" would just be Burisch's take on it -- or your interpretation of his take on it. To those two j-rod groups, IF they exist as stated, they would just be attempting to guide mankind toward the future as they see and experience it. They would not be attempting to change the past from their perspective -- merely assisting some people (us) to "evolve" to their present. | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi “Seeker” no need to apologize at all! I’m personally erring on the side of caution regarding this man and his claims and would tend to agree with Hector; there is a lot of mixed opinion about him in general, most of it appears not to be in good light. Perhaps there is an element of truth to what he is telling us, but I would like to see some evidence to sort the wheat from the chaff! Why the caution? When compared to the Meier case which by the way I am still getting to grips with and learning about you will find evidence of real interactions / contact with Human extraterrestrials through Mr. Billy Meier given in the form of many hundreds of astounding 35mm photographs, 8mm film, actual BeamShip sound recordings, multiple witnesses, manufactured metal / crystal samples given to Billy by the Plejaren people for terrestrial tests, predictions that can be verified, detailed information in the contact notes, etc. etc and so on. There are of course some things I find difficult to get my head around regarding the Meier case and some things I flatly disagree with, but I guess that’s all part of the learning and progression until things become self evident to oneself and factual. Please read these articles (follow links) to help with what you ask regarding information on Mr. Dan Burisch (aka Mr. Dan Crain or Dan Catselas?). He appears to be just as confusing (to me at least) as our friend, Mr. Kal K. Korff or should I call him Mr. Steve Thomas? http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=4190378 http://www.irishufology.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1173 What is Dan is up to on “The definitive site about Dr Dan Burisch”… http://www.danburisch.info/ “AUG 22, 2007: BREAKING NEWS.... Dan Burisch has been summoned back to active "black-ops" duty by the successor group to Majestic(SION being the Priory of Sion, but only for the former MJ-1 ---- now DNI 'Dadmiral' John 'Mike' McConnell ---- one of his former aides, Dan Burisch and of course Marci McDowell, as well as Dan's wife Deborah Burisch). He has had to swear a new National Security Oath (for all government employees; if they so much as breathe a rational word about Planet X - Nibiru - Wormwood - Hercolobus, their lives are to be terminated immediately). He has also been ordered to cease ALL public contact until after Friday, Dec 14, 2007”. Looking forward to December 14th, I wonder if it is it OK to mention Nibiru, Wormwood and herco-what ya may call it – lobuss! Mike Figu discussion: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/3766.html#POST12929 Your questions to Billy Meier answered: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3791.html | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi Everyone Just a thought from my last post from the very last link I gave at the end: (http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3791.html) Billy states: “Billy doesn't know about that "Ganesh Particle". --- There are no stargates here on earth”. Is Billy saying there are actual physical Star–Gates (in the sense of nullifying time/space for physical travel to other time/space points elsewhere), but definitely not here on Earth? Would other members of the forum more knowledgeable on Billy’s information kindly share some thoughts! Education required and just curious! Mike | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Mike, Billy said Planet X, The Destroyer, whatever people call it, is not coming back now, but The Red Meteor (a rouge one-off event that is not The Destroyer) is coming here. You could search Red Meteor for more. cpl | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi CPL Many thanks for the reply; I do not understand the connection between what is termed “Planet X” and the “Red Meteor” with the possibility of actual physical “StarGates” elsewhere on other planets. I have tried to cross reference these terms with StarGates in the search engine but have come up empty handed Billy has stated there are no “StarGates” here on Earth, I wonder if there ever was in Earths past history or indeed was there ever devices of a similar nature utilized by non-terrestrial people/s (in the sense of nullifying time/space for physical travel to other time/space points elsewhere) here on Earth in the past. From what I have read and if I am not mistaken (do correct me please), Plejaren Beam Ships that Billy photographed in later years (newer improved type) can nullify time and space to travel immense distances without time dilation effects, this is very interesting indeed and perhaps a quantum leap over hypothetical fixed StarGate’s on other worlds which makes me wonder how did they that these hypothetical StarGates to these worlds in the first place or indeed is there such a thing as a StarGate? Sorry for been a pain in the a** in asking these questions! Mike | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 03-2004 |
According to the contact notes and Flugreisen Durch Zeit Und Raum, there are things that you might call stargates because they allow a person to walk through them, or a ship to fly through them, and arrive somewhere else in the universe without having to make a normal so-called hyperspace jump. The latest techniques are based on spiritual/mental energies and allow the user to carry a small device on his belt which opens a portal (preprogrammed into the device) of choice based on the thoughts of the user. Don't ask me to explain it further because I don't know much more about it. Just read Guido's book if possible to find out as much as I know... | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Mike and Thomas, It is also my understanding that the Plejarans use the transmitter door technology. Same as seen in the tv series Stargate. And they can travel through enormous distances within our Universe this way. How it works, I am not sure of either. But as I also further understand it, to travel to, or more correctly to cross over to another universe that is not our twin universe like the DAL, and in which case a relatively short tunnel can be opened up for through pass, the Plejarns have further developed a far higher technology than the stargate technology they use within our universe. Because apparently to cross over to another Universe, that is not the twin like DAL, an enormous energy is needed for constructing an energy tunnel. The energy needed per second is more than the energy our sun radiate per second. And to construct this tunnel they harvest the required energy form black holes. As I understand it, the way they tested that the energy tunnel was successful, was to first transport over a transmitter station to the to other universe which sent back thousands of test objects through the energy channel. First when all these tests were successfully carried out, did they let Ptaah’s mother ship go through. Regards Kaare | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Mike, As far as I understand, there is no connection between Planet X, The Red Meteor, and Star Gates. Best, cpl | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 03-2004 |
Kaare I have to correct you slightly. The object retrieved by Semjase in the desert was sent from the DAL (if that is what you are refering to) WITHOUT the use of a gate between the universes such as used by the ships at that time. In Wahrhiet uber die Plejaden it mentions that Asket's people were experimenting with the ability to send objects even between the universes WITHOUT the use of the aforementioned gates. Also you seem to think that the gates I mentioned are things rather than phenomena. The newest technology mention uses the belt worn device to CREATE a TEMPORARY gate and this is nothing like the Stargate TV series since in that show a hard and fixed device is passed through. The gate technilogy I mentioned dissappears from existence when the device on the belt is turned off. Hope this clarifies things a bit... | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi CPL, Thomas & Kaare Many thanks for taking the time out to reply and the pointers; now that information is even more interesting! Thomas you said that these are the “latest techniques”, this would seem logical to me as a progression in Plejaren technology (provided of course it was developed by them and not given to them by another advanced race of people) was their such a thing as an actual physical StarGate as part of Plejaren technological evolution in their past? What I find really intriguing is that this new technology can be coupled with a person’s mental / spiritual energies in order to physically go from point A to B, to, in effect; nullify time/space partly by thought to manifest physical matter from one point to another, that is simply astounding as is the human potential! From what I have read so far about the Plejaren people they are appreciably ahead of current terrestrial technology by many thousands of years and much further advanced by many millions of years in mental and spiritual know-how / abilities, this would seem also plausible that such a feat could be accomplished. Imagine the freedom, discoveries and additional learning and knowledge attained one could make with such abilities and technology with wisdom and higher good applied. I’m aware of some of the work of the late quantum physicist David Bohm, he talks about implicate and explicate orders, both enfolded and unfolded respectively. If an advanced extraterrestrial human such as a Plejaren person has an appreciable awareness of these so called deeper orders then the feat as described above (and much more) is also plausible to me, I believe this potential is currently way beyond the scope of terrestrial human’s understandings and experiences at the moment (understatement intended)! Quote…………… “Bohm believes that life and consciousness are enfolded deep in the generative order and are therefore present in varying degrees of unfoldment in all matter, including supposedly "inanimate" matter such as electrons or plasmas. He suggests that there is a "protointelligence" in matter, so that new evolutionary developments do not emerge in a random fashion but creatively as relatively integrated wholes from implicate levels of reality. The mystical connotations of Bohm's ideas are underlined by his remark that the implicate domain "could equally well be called Idealism, Spirit, Consciousness. The separation of the two -- matter and spirit -- is an abstraction. The ground is always one." From Michael Talbot’s excellent book “The Holographic Universe” page 271. Following on from this I also came across an interesting translation from FIGU material that Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg completed on their website “Gaiaguys”, (please read their disclaimer about the translations for clarification). The link is…http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.elu.p169,192,280-282.htm In it, they have selected excerpts from “Existentes Leben im Universum” or in English “Existing Life in the Universe” by Mr. Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier written in 1978. On pages 280 – 282 the Extraterrestrials talk about the “TELONIN” particle our as we on Earth know it to be termed a “Neutrino”. Perhaps here as described we have the power source behind the StarGate technology whether it is a physical object or a controlled phenomena. It is a very interesting read and may go to explain some other universal processes such as why we only see ~10% of “normal” baryonic matter in the universe, where or what is the other ~90% perhaps the explanation in the last paragraph goes someway to explain this! Earths history and evolution (including human history and evolution ) as I have been thought at school seems to be of little relevance when one digs deeper into what the Plejaren people are telling us through Mr. Meier, its all starting to get very interesting indeed! Mike | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Thomas, No I did not mean the DAL universe, but another universe. And no, I was not talking about the object Semjase found in the desert, I was talking about thousands of test objects. Also I do not entirely agree with your definition of Stargate. Yes there are differences from the Stargate on TV, not only because it’s fiction, but because in that Stargate the technology is on the outside, whereby the door activates and transmits the person the moment the person walks through the frame/door. Meaning the devise is not on the person but outside of the person. The air can be seen to flicker. In your case the devise that creates the stargate is normally inbuilt in the Space suit that the person wear, but it is still outside of the person. Without this devise – no stargate. This is how it is written in Flugreisen durch Zeit und Raum on page 302 (my own unofficial and preliminary English translation beneath the original text in german) Quote Bei dieser Transmission, die wie gesagt ohne Zwischenstationen auskommt, muessen sich die Raumreisenden sehr stark gedanklich auf das Ziel konzentrieren, das sie erreichen wollen. Diese Gedanken werden dann mit Hilfe eines im Raumanzug eingebauten Verstaerkergeraetes, das so gross wie eine Streichholzschachtel ist, dermassen intensiv verstaerkt, dass ein Transmittertor entsteht, das man maximal auf drei Meter Entfernung und auch nur am Erzeugerort sehen kann. By this transmission, like I said gets by without intermediate stations, the space travelers must very intensively mentally concentrate themselves on the destination that they want to go to. These thoughts, with means of an amplifier devise, which is at the size of a match box, built inn to the space suit, then becomes strengthened to such an extent that a Transmitter door emerge, which one can see from a range of max three meter distance and only at place of origin. Unquote Although the Stargate on TV is fiction, for the sake of comparasion I do not agree with you when you say that the above is a phenomena whilst stargate on tv is a thing. Without technical devise in place there would be no stargate in either case as I view it. And yes there are other differences as you pointed out, but I view them both are transmitter doors. Regards Kaare | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 353 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Kaare, I will clarify my explanation a bit further. I was trying to say that the stargates on tv are freestanding devices that you walk through and there are stargates on each point of the journey, beginning and end, whereas the tech used by the Plejaren creates a stargate that is a phenomenon rather than a freestanding piece of equipment. Ptaah said, in the part of Flugreisen that you mentioned, that the doorway phenomenon can be created such that it arrives anywhere the user desires as long as he is familiar with the location and it has been programmed into the memory of the device. That is from my recollection only so take it with a grain of salt :-) | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 355 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Mike, I have only conjecture of my own and some ideas but I am no expert. I am glad you found the info interesting as I did :-) | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hello All who remember me!! I have read a bunch of material at this site which includes the billy meier material: http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/udxen.html I have a question(s) to impose (to anyone) about ET intervention. now, as I understand from the books I have read and other research it seems the earth is important to other worlds for many reasons of which many seem to make sense but what does not make sense to me at this time is that they do not go beyond our "leaders" to give us the "truth" about our universe because our leaders think we are not ready for that truth. now if the leaders have a history of lies and deceit, what difference does it make?? in my opinion, that is like asking the slave master to release it's slaves for the sake of love, love which the leaders (slave masters) know nothing of it seems. the point is why do the benevolent ET (not just plejarens) not extend these offers to masses one individual at a time? and if they have, its seems to far few?? In my opinion, the many leaders we have that cheated their way to their positions of power (how many is that??) should not be considered for such extends of help. so the question is, why do they go to oppressing leader when they know they will be rejected anyway, why not go to the one's that "know" or want to know?? please forgive my frustration, any insight would help. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 05-2007 |
Welcome back Someguy. Billy and the P's has stopped trying to get the message out to the our leaders long ago, Billy and the P's have for a long time now been focused on warning the population of earth about the dangers we face. Billy, the Plejaran aswell as all the FIGU members have said on countless occasions not to waste our time on people who do not want to accept or know the truth but to teach the people who want to know the truth. The P's are trying to spread it to the masses just not directly, they got Billy and all the FIGU members to spread the teachings around. As you know that is no easy task. It is hard to get the truth out to the masses since so many people are just blind and do not want to listen to reason. Not only is our population full of false belief's and ignorance but Billy's name has been slandered for decades and it will be hard to get people to listen to a ''fraud.'' As you know, our leaders plays a big part in this since they want to silence Billy and they'll stop at nothing to make the people think his case is a hoax. Our leaders only want people to keep destroying each other in wars and reproducing like farm animals just to gain profit for themselves. Try not to get frustrated, we all know it's incredibly difficult with the world we live in and all but hey one day the truth will prevail. Salome David | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2007 |
The blame is not only for the leaders of this world. From where raise the leaders? Obviously, from the people. A world with the type of people that we have in this world creates those leaders, Because most part of the population of this world is composed of this type of men. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 12-2006 |
Salome David! Thank you for responding, I understand, I guess what I am getting at is, In my opinion, they need to start contacting all the believers more directly, they need to be more effective it seems, I cant help feel this sense of urgency, I just feel we need more than knowledge, it just seems like the right time to move on to the next phase I guess, I do not need to be convinced there is more out there, I guess I just want to experience it, we have suffered enough, we stand back and watch everyday helpless with nothing but advise to be patient, we need more now, I want a real oppertunity at this point I guess. thank you for responding!! Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Someguy Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hey Incredible, I understand, but they (not just plejarens) say the leaders denied the offers of help and I cant help think we all suffer for it. I understand it is partially the fault of the people that let it happen, but the people who would like to do something about it are left with suffering as well as with great odds to overcome such as the leaders who put all the blocking in place, the plejarens say they want to mind their own business as much as possible as well in one way or another but then they say they are our relatives, so the obligation would be there in my opinion. you cant ask a few for a whole civilizations opinion, I cant help feel they need to start picking up the pace, find the people on earth who care and roll out a better plan, sometimes you need much more than words to wake a person up in my opinion, I feel I should not be condemed/ignored because of others opinions such as leaders who denied the help, when I know well these leaders could care less about the ones they lead and reserve their interests for a chosen few. I was born into this world with this structure, I did not ask for it, I felt the suffering and want it to end, yes it is people's fault and we deserve the government we get, but I think they (the ET) are being side liners just as the people who let the leaders make life hard are side liners, I want to do something about it more than making websites and discussing it, seems like more is needed, if they are our ancestors, they should feel more obligated to help us. form what I have read, they went through something similar as far as being controlled and manipulated so it makes even less sense they are taking such a distanced approach, they contact one human out of billions?? again please forgive my frustration, but thank you for your response. Know Thyself (kennen Sie Ihr Selbst) | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2007 |
@ Someguy, i completely agree with you because i feel the exact same way. i cant talk about it anymore because no one believes me about life out there or aliens on this planet. They always use the excuse in saying "if their on this planet the government would know about it" or my grandfater would say "if the government has secrets the press would LOVE to publish that". I didnt even bother telling him that the media is controlled by the government or by a very few selected people. i cant keep going like this. People constantly ask for solid proof. They Need to encounter a ufo or a spaceship or an ET, to experience themself so they cannot say the ignorant things. ETs need to give more people the message that they are here for peace and that their misguided and so forth. Give them a warning of whats to come. Tell them to grow up and so forth. Tell them that your very own government is keeping secrets that should have been known. Hell my friend was seriously convinced that the Roswell was a down helicopter... The p`s need to step up and move quicker because i fear people are giving up and that it may be too late to save people. The government is gaining more and more control and no one is stopping it!!!!!!. The world needs a global announcement of what is truly going on. Some thing needs to be done now or in the near future before its truly too late.Someguy is exactly right.Most of us are born into this suffering world and ET`s know all to well that what is going on and all the believers feel that they are not doing anything about it. I dont blame Someguy to be extremely frusterated because im getting to that point. Humans needs their eyes open!! As a closing point. The p`s may be able to predict on whats going to happen but it can be changed. We need to be saved if only briefly. With all respect to Billy Meier 1 out of the whole world that is known is far to being enough more Sages are needed in desperate times. And who knows maybe the human race will not backstab the p`s or andromedons for when something goes wrong that we immediately blame them. We will be so thankful im sure we would overlook it. So many people would do anything to have the medical knowledge the p`s have and so forth. If we have just 1 encounter or intervention with outside forces it would benefit EVERYONE!!! They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2007 |
Dont think wrong of me...im just extremely frusterated it feels like i should just give up on trying to spread the word because i feel its not going anywhere and that im going through hell right now..been homeless 2x, lost my gf that i love and i lost my relatives to this lost my job offers and the list goes on but i try my best to go on. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 572 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Syn ; If you can possibly concieve of taking this information for your own growth and development ( evolution) and not trying to convince anyone of it , you will benefit greatly . Religions have induced a kind of tradition of influencing others that pops up everywhere , even offering rewards for bringing others in ( renter's incentives for example ). Just keep it to yourself . There is no "blessing" for doing what you've been doing .It has obviously harmed you , and not everyone can stand the pressure of that . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Someguy ans Syn, The only thing we can do is try to get the message out there even more. I suggest instead of sitting around and complaining in front of your computer stand up and start doing something about it. A bunch of words won't solve anything, get out there and do something! start spreading the mission around, try getting it on your local news papers, try to get on the radio, you know. The P's will not change there/our gameplan since it is effective. It will work out in the long run but we have to start doing something NOW and not wait around for someone else to do it for you. I am also frustrated with earth's current situation but I try not to bring myself down with it since there's not much I can do about it, especially since I am just a teen but you guys are adults and can get out there and do some serious work for the mission. This is not a personal attack against you guys, this is only a suggestion. Salome David ps. I almost forgot to mention the Peace Meditation. |
