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Author Message Norm Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 05:13 pm:        Does Billy or the Plejarens have any information on this Terrorist attack? Michael Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 09:34 pm:        This man has been pretty accurate with his astrological predictions as this shows: http://www.rense.com/general13/louisturi.htm And this guy seems to have an uncanny track record: www.sollog.com Marc Juliano Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 10:24 pm:        Hi Norm, The FIGU Core Group has not yet seen any information within contact notes or otherwise concerning this attack. Maybe FIGU will discuss some things this weekend, but they will let me know if anything could be posted here in the Forum about this terrorist attack. Marc Michael Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 07:49 am:        I believe that in both the Contact Notes and the 251st Contact Billy spoke of the rise of terrorism and Islamic Fundamentalism as forthcoming dangers. You may also want to read the 251st Contact regarding WWIII and read the TJ regarding the origins of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as well as the Prophecy wherein Jmmanuel appears to describe a nuclear attack against Jerusalem, something which the Sollog fellow above also foresees (along with Rome and Washington.) Jmmanuel also describes the use of nuclear as well as biological missiles as I read it. I also wonder if China will use this as an opportunity to accelerate their takeover of Taiwan. Michael Norm Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 11:49 am:        Nostradamus Prophecy And The WTC Destruction - Beware Of Hoaxes http://www.rense.com/general13/hox.htm faeriedust Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 12:44 pm:        what can we do as citizens of Earth and the US to stop this tragedy from going forward? everyone is calling for war here and i see no signs of solidarity- i only see fragmentation and anger. Michael Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 10:00 pm:        In addition to Norm's question for Billy and the Plejarens, there are a lot of items floating on the Internet that suggest that there was complicity by certain westerners, even Americans, in this terrorist conspiracy. I would like to know as much of the truth as (I presume) they do about this so that we can evaluate it and go forward with that knowing. Michael Chris Frank Posted on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 11:37 pm:        It would be nice to know what is happening. I find that usually if I know something I feel an inner peace inside, just from the knowing. That probably sounds strange, but it is a feeling I cannot fully understand, that feeling of peace. Norm Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 08:21 am:        I also don't trust what we have been hearing. It just seemed to easy to do those hijackings. The US Gov't & the News Media have been lying about TWA flight 800, JFK, UFO's etc.. Why should I trust what they are saying about this hijacking! Scott B. Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 09:10 am:        Hi Norm The one thing that bothers me is how were they able to navigate these planes through a very busy airspace and not be intercepted or stopped somehow? Im sure the air traffic controllers were aware these planes were off course. Yes the Pentagon is part of the Military Industrial complex, but I think the REAL government has set up shop elsewhere. Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 03:53 pm:        Hello all, The moderator and I had corresponded about Norm's post/link above concerning John Hogue's (a so-called scholar's) comments about Nostradamus. One thing that is truly fascinating to me is that, on the website, he does not give the actual French quatrains he is calling a hoax. He just calls them hoaxes and wants you to buy his books at the end of the page. I looked up this French quatrain from different sources and the translation is almost completely accurate. Personally, I think that there is something 'fishy' going on at rense.com. When someone wants you to be 'on his side only' and believe 'only him' -- that makes me wonder. Following the works of Michel de Nostradame for over a decade, I have known of this prophecy and others (regarding it and New York) for years. As most of you know, Billy Eduard Albert Meier was also prophesied by Michel de Nostradame, as was already confirmed by JHWH Ptaah (with Billy's stubborn agreement). Moreover, these prophecies have a code (that Billy is very aware of) that involves deep-seated information to the 'one' person (coming in the future/which is now) that will finally break the/this code. So, with that said, I will put my head towards the French quatrains themselves and not Mr. John Hogue. To be sure, there are more Nostradamus 'scholars' out there than daily earthquakes. So I return Norm's post with the comment, "Beware Of Hoaxes!" ------------------------------------- To the girl with the cute name, "faeriedust," I would respond by saying a few important things. Truly, these are important times. However, as stated in the teachings, over and over again -- indeed in the Talmud Jmmanuel -- one can only fix and correct themselves and 'know' that these things must happen. There is no other place to start, or stop. This has been said again and again in many different sources from the books of Mr. Meier. The 2nd (possibly the first) most important thing, however, is the Salome Peace Meditatia (Meditation). Today was "Salome" weekend and I dare any Passive Members out there, who performed today's meditatia, to admit that the overall feeling as one started the mantra was more powerful, sincere, heartfelt and important than any previous Salome before. As I sat down, I felt the same as all Passive Members around the world. Indeed, more people probably performed this weekend's meditatia than all weekends before due to this disaster, the likes of which could have been committed and perpetrated from America's own backdoor(!). So with that said Miss Faeriedust-djflowerchild (great name), I would suggest getting a FIGU pyramid and placing your heinie on the floorie every 1st and 3rd weekend... Regards, Andrew C. Cossette Norm Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 04:12 pm:        Andrew, the people at Rense.com, post stuff people send in, they don't necessarily endorse it. Norm Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 05:34 pm:        From the booklet "Those Who Lie About Contacts/and questions about Mohammed" pg.8 At the time, i.e., the days of the prophets Mohammed and Jmmanuel, it was already known through revelations and prophecies, that during the New Age of the future 20th and 21st centuries the destructive beast bearing the number 666 would become active, that is, religious cults, unequalled sects as well as secret organizations, would flood the entire mankind with their sectarian madness and delusional beliefs. Michael Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 07:16 pm:        Andrew, The folks at Rense always refuse to publish any of the stuff I send them of Billy's, I think his webmaster has made up his mind that the case is a hoax (based on the usual absolute ignorance of the material.) Of course they fill the site up with reports of lights in the sky over New Jersey and dead aliens in freezers. Regarding Billy being mentioned by Nostradamus, I for one know nothing about it and I think that we all would like to have that pointed out as it would be further ammunition. I also remember some time ago seeing the Nostradamus prophecy about the "king of terror" coming from the sky. Also, a little clarification please on "...this disaster, the likes of which could have been committed and perpetrated from America's own backdoor(!)." Michael Simpson Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 01:30 am:        Hello everybody isn`t it strange? The terrorists build up years and years their net of logistics and information system with a huge amount of money and time. They manage not to be found by secret services, putting probabely millions into their bloody project. Then, just before they`re going to realise their project, on the way to the spot, they are carrying the Koran and other evidences in their car. Just waiting to be found from the investigators and the media. How stupid they think we are? It might be a good advice not to make your opinion out of CNN or any other brainwash media than with your own brain. Greetings from CIA and Mossad, Simpson Norm Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 06:58 am:        Michael, Over the years they've put all the articles on Billy Meier that I've sent them. Years ago they also had Randolph Winters on the show debating against Korff, at my urging. I bet Jeff Rense would put Guido on in a minute,and help him promote his book. Also Art Bell would put Guido on, but Guido needs to contact them. Scott B. Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 08:53 am:        Hello Andrew Yes you are right, my dedication in performing the Salome Meditation is stronger than it has been for quite awhile! Salome (Peace in Wisdom) ScottB. Norm Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 10:50 am:        Michael, One more thing. You had a problem with their Webmaster. You should email Jeff himself and explain to him the problem you had. They have a few different people that post the articles on the website. Michael Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 11:56 am:        Norm, If that's the case perhaps you could send Rense info from Meier that even predicted the rise in terrorism, and or other material that you think he might post. Michael Michael Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 12:34 pm:        I received this from a journalist in Israel named Barry Chamish. Not surprisingly he has not been receptive to the idea that Israel has contributed greatly to the problems that exist so the article reflects that but perhaps it contains other insights that may reflect what Andrew has said above. "WHO CREATED ISLAMIC EXTREMISM? Well they did it again. For the third time is less than a century, the illuminati manipulated a world war. They succeeded in creating an issue of good and evil that cannot be ignored. Yes, the Muslim extremists present a danger to the planet and have to be extinguished, just like the Nazis. So who created the Nazis and who created Islamic extremism? For hundreds of years the Arabs were quiescent and obedient servants of the Ottoman Empire. Then in 1917, the British expelled them and took over Palestine. They, and their secretive Round Table, approved a declaration permitting Jews to re-establish Israel, thus offering them a shelter from Europe's pogroms, which were fueled by the illuminati for just this purpose. Then they set Arab on Jew, creating such animosity that Islam gleefully allied itself with Nazism. After that, the illuminati ignited the Holocaust and when it was ended, the Vatican's Jesuit rulers, with Allied approval, shipped the worst of the genocidal criminals worldwide through its appropriately named "ratline." Europe's Jews were then shipped to Israel and a war was ignited which the Jews were supposed to lose, thus completing stage two of the Holocaust. But Israel overcame the odds and survived. Since then, the planet's hidden rulers have done their utmost to turn Islam into an improved version of Nazism. That is how Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban were created. Who created the Taliban? President Jimmy Carter of the Council On Foreign Relations. Who originally funded the Taliban? CIA chief George Bush of the CFR affiliate, Skull And Bones Society. Who supplied the Taliban with all the sophisticated encrypted telecommunications equipment, which made its attacks on the dead twins and Pentagon possible? President Clinton of the CFR, who approved sales of the high-tech wonders to Syria, where it was inevitable that radical Islam would inherit it. Who handed the Taliban $48 million, to eradicate poppies, knowing full well it wouldn't be used for that purpose? Why our current American President, like his father, a Skull And Bones graduate. Who is Bin Laden's brother's business partner? Why Percy Rockefeller of the CFR-founding Rockefeller family. Who owned the land the World Trade Centers stood on? Why those pesky Rockefellers again. And who created Islam in America? The same gang who imported Islam to Europe. No American black should identify with Islam. This religion captured territory in Africa in Medieval times and looted its conquests for slaves. Without Arab slave traders, it is unlikely the European industry would have taken hold. Even today, Muslims enslave huge numbers of Christian blacks in the Sudan and Mauritania. American blacks picked up this religion in the late 1950s and it was spread in the prison system. Who is enforcing those laws, especially the drug laws, that assure most blacks of some prison time where many will have to adopt Islam or face the consequences? The hidden rulers have created an angry community of Moslems in America and if they object too vigorously to this new war, there will be a race war in America. The same goes for the Moslems of Europe, imported by the millions for just this moment in history. We've all been set up for a period of bloody, murderous chaos. Then lucky us, we get a new planetary order with guess who in charge? And if enough people choose not investigate how this war was really started and who was behind it, we'll all deserve this new world order as a punishment for human stupidity." Michael Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 12:38 pm:        ...and this is from an Iraqi newspaper: http://www.rense.com/general13/amer.htm Phil McAiney Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 03:53 pm:        Billy once calculated in the early 1990's that World War Three would begin in August 1998. When he showed this to Ptaah, he was told that the prediction was off a few years ("einige Jahren"). Also, remember the section of the prophecy in Contact 251 where WW III was to begin in November and last 4 years, precipitated by 4 Heads of State being killed all within one week? However, there will be enough war-shrieking around without those of us who stand for peace and reason being drawn into their whirlpool to drown with all the others. Norm Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 04:04 pm:        Michael, email me what you want me to send to Jeff and I will. Norm Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2001 - 04:16 pm:        Michael, Go to this link to see YOUR article on Billy, that I got on Rense's page years ago. Plus Michael Hesemann's. http://www.rense.com/ufo4/meiercase.htm http://www.rense.com/ufo2/heseman1.htm Michael Posted on Monday, September 17, 2001 - 09:32 am:        This is definitely worth reading: http://www.rense.com/general13/WTRAP.HTM Michael Posted on Monday, September 17, 2001 - 01:17 pm:        In reading the TJ I see that Jmmanuel makes it very clear that as long as humans don't live by the laws and directives of Creation, and keep churning out man-made laws, we will make terrible errors, have wars, etc. We seem to be at a disadvantage as we don't yet know all of these laws and directives, not that we're living by the ones that are obvious and that we do know. We are also told to observe nature and see the laws in operation there. Of course there is warring in nature among different species from insects on up. Perhaps a lot, if not most, of it is about territory or food, survival on some level. Maybe we are meant, as humans, to THINK how we can solve these problems with each other without war and to where and how nature indicates solutions. While we are all discussing how to deal with the enemy, how to respond militarily, etc. it seems that, as long as we stay in our limited and unaware thinking patterns, we will only perpetuate more war and suffering. Of course we can't expect sudden change, especially in this ridiculously religiously polarized world. And we shouldn't forget that even so-called more advanced beings than we have been (and some probably still are) involved in wars of unfathomable proportions, despite their presumably more advanced understanding of the Creation and its laws. Savio Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 02:32 am:        Hi Andrew As mentioned in your recent post that Billy was prophesied by Michel de Nostradame and was already confirmed by JHWH Ptaah. Could you please tell us what Nostradame has said about Billy and when/where did Ptaah confirmed the case? Thanks in advance Savio Norm Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 07:06 am:        Simpson, You can also look at it this way. Maybe they didn't care about what was found, or maybe they wanted to leave a trail to notify the Islamic World that they did it, with out directly saying exactly who did it. This is why it would be nice to get a statement from Billy on this incident. Billy, whether he likes it or not, is now part of the online Global community with supporters that would like to hear from him. Norm Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 02:16 pm:        FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html Simpson Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 02:42 pm:        Norm the way You see it makes the manipulation even more simple and efficent. All my respect to the victims of this tragedy. But anyway, the real terror seems to be the ignorrant western wealth-fanatisme... I need to think about it and read the article suggested by you. Me too, I`d really appreciate a statement from Billy. It`s good if he`s taking his time to react i think. Simpson Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 03:22 pm:        Hi Norm, Now THAT is a good link post to this forum. Very well done. Regards, Andrew Michael Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 07:22 pm:        Two links worth reading, considering while everybody is being directed to the obvious: http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2001/010914kosyakov_lar.html http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2837_philippines_interview.html Michael Horn Anthony Alagna Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 08:17 pm:        Hello, A nice big war of good over evil; only who are the enemies? It seems the end result of the ills of all religion leads to some major destruction of mighty proportions. If only people could take a Universal approach instead of pushing who's "God' is bigger, this world could live in peace in wisdom without senseless wars. Anthony Michael Posted on Friday, September 21, 2001 - 09:57 am:        There are a couple of items worth reading from: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ such as: http://www.indiareacts.com/Story33.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reflection.html and also this: http://www.latimes.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=la%2D000075060sep18 Michael Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 11:42 am:        I don't know if this article is true but it certainly is mind-boggling: http://www.rense.com/general14/skolnick.htm Michael Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 01:26 pm:        One more step towards the Beast?: http://beta.kpix.com/news/scripts/fri5pm.htm#77tz:_Ellison Michael Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2001 - 05:43 pm:        Not wasting any time, are they? http://www.drudgereport.com/id.htm Michael Posted on Monday, September 24, 2001 - 09:32 am:        I have just received this from Andrew and have his permission to post it: At the moment myself and a CG49 member (aside from the OCT project) are preparing (per Billy) a public release in English of the bulk of Bulletin 36 regarding the World Trade Center Bombings. This is an urgent task that I would guess should be done within 1 week. It includes all of Billy's responses to the disaster/terrorism. You may release this to the forum (as an FYI) if you wish. Otherwise, it most likely will go to the "What's New" area on the FIGU site due to its length of many pages. Scott B. Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 07:00 am:        Hi Michael/Andrew I havent been able to locate the "Whats New" area on the new FIGU website. Could someone please point the way, thanks. Salome Scott Norm Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 - 08:45 am:        Try the left side of American site. www.billymeier.com , Its still not up yet, try at the end of the week. Jani Metso Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 11:07 am:        Hello all, Number eleven and one: - Date of the attack = 9/11/ = 11 - September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2+5+4 = 11 - September (numerological value for that is 11) - After September 11th there are 111 days left to the end of the year. - 119 is the area code to Iraq/Iran.1 + 1 + 9 = 11 - Twin Towers - standing side by side, looks like the number 11 - The first plane to hit the towers was Flight 11 by American Airlines or AA: AA = 11 - State of New York - The 11 State added to the Union - New York City - 11 Letters and the numerological value is 1 - The USS Enterprise is in the gulf during the attack; its ship number is 65N (6+5=11) - The World Trade Center was built from 1966 to 1977 ... taking 11 years - Remembrance day is November 11.. - Afghanistan - 11 Letters (num. value1) - The Pentagon - 11 (Pentagon: num. value 11) - Flight 11 - 92 on board (9+2=11) - Flight 77 - 65 on board (6+5=11; num. value 11) - The # of story is 110 (2x) 110 - 110 - Skyscrapers (11 letters; num. value 33=3x11) - Air Force One (11 letters; num. value 1) - George W. Bush (11 letters; value 11) - Bill Clinton (11 letters; value 1) - Saudi Arabia (11 letters) - Colin Powell (11 letters) - Mohamed Atta, the pilot that crashed into the World Trade Centre (11 letters; num. value 40=4x10) - The American Zip Code for NYC is 10001 There are more like these.. (I hope this topic can be discussed here? Sorry if I'm wrong!) Also, please correct me if there's any mistakes. Salome, Jani Metso Norm Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 11:34 am:        Who Benefits from the World Trade Center/Pentagon Attacks? http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/currentevents2.htm The On-Going Conspiracy To Create A One World Dictatorshiip http://www.rense.com/general14/theongoing.htm Richard G. Posted on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 11:29 am:        Greetings from Arizona I had hoped to see a statement from the group by now, but I guess we will have to wait. My only reservation is that most statements seem to validate information already circulating, i.e. never anything profound. As an example, the flight 800 incident, the group stated that our Navy accidently shot the plane down. This information was already circulating worldwide before it was published on the site. I think most people would like to see more profound info. generated too. As an American for the last 41 years, this incident has greatly affected our thinking and has been very disruptive to daily life. I don't know how many on the list are American, but it doesn't quite sink in until it's in your backyard. I'm all for world peace, but I don't see it ever happening here. Keep in mind the Plejarans apparently are not integrated with hundreds of different races co-exisitng on their planets either. Why would it be any different here? It's sad to think that we went to the moon in 1969 and while it looked like we might progress as a whole, here we are fighting with sand baggers making mudpies in the desert. Obviously due to a dependence on oil and strategic planning. So I will continue to live my meager but very comfortable life, only this time looking over my shoulder. Peace and Love! Richard G. Scott B. Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 04:55 am:        Hello Richard You bring up a good point. Is the mixture of races on this planet a contributing factor to the difficulties we are encountering? It would be very interesting to know if there are other worlds in which more than one race inhabits the same planet and can maintain peace. Although I think maybe race may play some part in our world difficulties, the religious differences are what seems to fuel many conflicts. I know for instance the area in which I live has a mixture of several different races. I have noticed people can co-exist peacefully, but at the same time the different racial types seem to stick together. This is unfortunate, but this seems to be the way it is right now. Its hard to know whether different racial types are meant to live together on the same planet or not. I think partially what creates difficulties is the barriers in communication. When you do break through I have found people do think alike. As I stated before religion has created such a toxicity among humans for so long I think its really hard to know whether we can live together. I think we all want the same things, but our level of evolution requires a jump before some of these things maybe possible. Salome Scott B. Chris Frank Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 12:17 pm:        I think that one of the words that I find objectionable is the word RACE. To me race sounds like some sort of contest or something.... We have words like WHITE RACE, BLACK RACE, etc. Even the word HUMAN RACE depicts some sort of contest. I sort of prefer being called an EARTH HUMAN, it shows that we are still part of the various humans out there. Later on, if we do end up incorporating some other humans through DNA or whatever means, from other species, and if they carry any part of the Earth Human genes, then they would also be Earth Humans, thus, we do not have another RACE here. We are all part of the same family and that should be respected, now and in the future. But that is just my opinion.... Mark Campbell Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 12:21 am:        As for profound statements , think about this : By now we have a situation in the U.S. by which it is clearly understood that the government can shoot down passenger planes , in case of a terrorist threat . It shouldn't take Shakespeare to deliver the facts , but then, some people forget that these facts are given to us from people who can see through walls , travel back in time , read minds , among other abilities . To me , it's profundity in it's simplest form . Richard Garrison Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 07:08 pm:        Personally I don't find anything wrong when defining people of different race, but I understand your point.Until we start living as one population of peace loving people, segregation of beliefs and cultures will continue. If everyone in the world had the spiritual knowledge that the Pljarans have, and I don't mean 4000 years worth, I mean just the same basic understanding of creation as the focal point and not the pearly gates of heaven. Then I think we could stop classifying people. It's the fact that we have 3 billion people with 3 billion different viewpoints that makes it difficult. As for the profound statements, I am hungry for knowledge. Basically all I see happening is Meiers group substantiating info. already out there. So at that point you still have to believe them on top of the conspiracy theory's. I don't mean to get off track here, but this tradgedy is a direct result of the differing beliefs. I guess some people would rather be making sand pies in the Sahara as opposed to drinking a Mai Tai in the Caribean. Go figure! Christian Frehner Posted on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 12:29 pm:        To Chris Frank: Just a short explanation regarding the word "race": It's a neutral word and has nothing in common with some contest. It is only a classification of human beings in regard to their appearance and shape (material bodies). It hasn't anything to do with spiritual matters or with character, responsibility, love, wisdom, and so forth. Anthony Hall Posted on Monday, October 01, 2001 - 11:07 pm:        World Trade Center: Who Did it and Why? The terrorist event on September 11, 2001 that destroyed the symbolism of the Rockefeller financial empire, the World Trade Center twin towers, was inevitable. The shadowy cabal of Anglo-American-Israeli (Bolsheviks and Rothschilds in America and England, and Zionists in Israel) alliance through the sympathetic mindset of their public voices, continue to steer America toward their objective of world domination, and if necessary World War III to deliver the prize. In the 1970s, then National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski in the Carter administration was the one who initiated and controlled Osama bin Laden. He did this using the British, United States, and Israeli intelligence services during the days of the Afghan War. The idea was to install bin Laden to run the Afghan war on the borders of then Soviet territory. Brzezinski foresaw the usefulness of this type of geopolitical operation and Islamic Fundamentalism became a very useful tool. This type of mindset created hotspots around the world, and in return Islamic forces became very belligerent against America. Segments of these militant forces immigrated into Britain and America where they were financed and trained by special forces of those countries. Divisions of these militants, mostly commanders, were them sent back into their country to fight against anti-western forces in Eastern Europe, Middle-East and Asia. These Islamic militants cultivated by the Western shadowy cabal were only employees who carried out the terrorist attack in New York City to terrify the American people to bring about a change in government, staging a military coup d'état by the Pentagon, to install a dictatorship to conduct the ultimate geopolitical war in Central Asia to secure oil and natural resources and corridor development.. It is now obvious that George W. Bush comments about dictatorship was no joke. And since Central Asia consists of nations like China, India, Pakistan and Russia, the shadowy cabal would like to create a big war over time and Afghanistan was the right place to start this long drawn out conflict that would probably breakout in the 2020s into a world war. And in the words of Brzezinski, Samuel P. Huntington and Henry Kissinger, "Clash of Civilizations" and "break it up" are the only way to solve the problem as it relates to their plan for world domination. The terrorists were able to carry out their master plan using intelligence networks penetrated by the shadowy cabal. The after effects of the event were to injure the psyche of the American people and motivate them into a patriotic stance via neo-conservative voices to war and convince them that they need more efficient surveillance means, encroaching on their freedom. The cabal is also using the event to buy time to find a new way to avoid the looming financial crisis, but more powerful and positive forces are making sure that this does not happen. And according to Lyndon LaRouche, this same combination forces are stirring up trouble in Central America, Guatemala; behind the drug trafficking ring; the Iran-Iraq War; tribal war in Africa, etc. They are also trying to buy time to prevent their old monetary system in America and the world from collapsing when the Paper H- Bomb hits, and are afraid that a new economic recovery of a new system in cooperation with Eurasia, Russia, China, India, Japan, Western Europe and other countries will defeat the power of the Anglo-American oligarchy financier lobby, removing them from monetary power. A List of people in the neo-conservative Pentagon War Faction: Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel P. Huntington, Henry A. Kissinger, Joseph Korbell, Madeleine Albright, John Ashcroft, Richard Armitage, Paul Wolfowitz, William Bennett, Jeane Kirkpatrick, etc. They want George Bush jr to go to War and "break it up": http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2001-09-27-ncguest1.htm The Peace Faction got to Bush jr and Secretary of State Colin Powell and is the reason why the war is being stalled. If Bush jr fails to obey the War Faction, his administration is in trouble. The Peace Faction, using impressive means, is trying to get a peace deal between the Israelis and Palestinians soon. Osama bin Laden is a scapegoat. George W. Bush Comments About Dictatorship Was No Joke: Before Gov. George W. Bush had finished assembling his presidential team for the White House, he met with top House and Senate leaders from each party and afterwards jokingly said: "I told all four that there would be sometimes where we don't agree with each other, but that's ok. If this was a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier...just so long as I'm the dictator." In July 2001 he made another similar comedic comment that "a dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier." This was what the September 11, 2001 coup d'état was to accomplish, dictatorship for Bush jr. Anthony Hall Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 04:04 pm:        Hi Savio, I don’t know if this refers to Meier. Only he can answer that. Nostradamus Century V-79 The sacred pomp will come to lower its wings at the coming of the great lawgiver. He will raise the humble and the trouble rebellious; his like will not again appear on Earth. This is the only one I can quickly remember offhand. Anthony Anthony Hall Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2001 - 04:35 pm:        Hi Phil, >Also, remember the section of the prophecy in >Contact 251 where WW III was to begin in November >and last 4 years, precipitated by 4 Heads of State being >killed all within one week? There is a Nostradamus Century that seems to refer to these 4 heads. Nostradamus Century VI, Quatrain II The SEVEN branches will be reduced to THREE, the elder ones will be surprised by death. Two will be attracted towards fratricidal: the conspirators will die while asleep. A clear indication that four is taken out. Appears to be some type of infighting going on. Regarding World War III and four years--3 years and eleven months. Nostradamus Century VIII, Quatrain 77: "The Anti-Christ very soon annihilates in THREE; twenty and seven years his war will last. The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled; with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the Earth." Anthony Savio Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 03:00 am:        Hi Anthony Thanks for the response However, I am afraid I cannot see the image of Billy between the lines. Perhaps Andrew can share with us his information? Regards Savio Anthony Hall Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:56 am:        Hi Savio, After posting, I went and read the related Contact Report #241: "...just as Nostradamus had already prophesied about you when stating that you would be derided at the time when the Great Earthquake was looming in California and The Wall in the German Democratic Republic was coming down." This appears to be interrelated Quatrains: Where another continued where the other left off. The Quatrain about the Great Earthquake in California and the fall of the Berlin Wall does not fit into what Ptaah told Meier. The assumption from reading the Contact Report is that all was said in one Quatrain. Yes, I myself would like to see the Quatrain selected by Andrew C. Cossette. Anthony Richard G. Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 12:13 pm:        My last message appears to have been hijacked, but not really worth repeating. In response to the WTC,"who did and why"post,I don't think I like or agree with the term world domination by the USA. I think it is the duty of any superior nation (society) to step up to the plate and show some leadership. There is a big difference between offering a better way of life vs forced way of life with an iron fist. Or some by way of some societys demented religious version. I can't say one way or the other what my government is doing behind my back, but as screwed up as things are every- where I thank GOD!(Creation) or whatever, that I live where I do, and how I do, and with the opportunity's I have. As long as there is a human factor involved in anything done on this planet there will be scandal, deceit, lies, and all of the other nasty traits that follow humanity. That's what makes us human. That's who we are now! Like it or not. As long as there is some kind of higher society (Plejarans) stepping up to the plate and giving some kind of wisdom to guide ourselves by, at least a few of us will coninute to aspire into the next level of being, and maybe someday it will be contageous. Regards, Richard P.S. I hope this ones worth posting. Linda Williams Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 08:17 pm:        Here's a Nostradamus quatrain that I don't think has been posted yet: "In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will come a great King of Terror. The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city . . . In the city of york there will be a great collapse 2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb third big war will begin when the big city is burning." Eerily recognizable? Linda Scott B. Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:07 pm:        Hi Linda Would you know which quatrain this particular passage comes from? You may find that this passage has been floating around for a few weeks and for the most part does not exist in any of the known quatrains written by Nostradamus. Salome Scott Linda Williams Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:21 pm:        Hi Scott, Wow! I certainly don't know the source of the above quatrain. It was forwarded to me recently by a sincere and alert friend, especially someone attuned to the recent tragic events and to many historical readings. It did not occur to me that it could be "dis-information" or "mis-information." I will try to get to the bottom of it! Thanks for your "Eagle Eye," Linda Mark Campbell Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:23 pm:        Hi Linda ; I couldn't find it in my copy of Nostradamus .I have heard that it was a hoax . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 12:55 am:        Yes ,it's peculiar how different nationalities go along with their 'government issue' beleifs. It's because few bother to think , without a thought in their heads , except for all things impermanent .Also , religions are tribal , and the tribe must agree . Since various intelligence levels are present in any given society , they really have had to pander to the least common denominator , and that's where the decline of awareness takes an already faulty system down even further. At least that's an aspect of it , reckon . Now that you mention mudpies and Mai tais, Richard , it brings to mind the 'underdog' factor , making the more materialistic party automatically the protagonist(the bad guy) in the story .Interesting enough when you consider that some portion of each society does indeed play the part of the 'heavy'. Neither side would be completely right , but of course I would have to at least be more familiar , and therefore more comfortable with what I know , like the guy who is used to the mudpies . I'm just not sure if I would order a Mai tai. Richard G. Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 07:40 am:        I don't see religion as any kind of democracy but rather a dictatorship, or rather a shepherd with sheep. When the shepherd moves the sheep go with him, if a few stray then they are huddled back into the fold. Usually there is one person leading the pack. These people simply tell everyone what they want to hear. And yes many don't bother to think for themselves, but rather see others and simply follow. The USA put a man on the moon in 1969, if the rest of the world had followed this lead, we would probably be pre occupied by space travel or something more constructive than baby sitting sand baggers. That is the kind of lead you want to follow. i.e. success. If you want to be successful then surround yourself with successful people. BTW, if you haven't had a Mai Tai in the Carribean, then you haven't lived. Anthony Hall Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 09:42 am:        Part II World Trade Center: Before and After Effects; Dictatorship Ambition For America By Anthony Hall The breakup of Yugoslavia and the fighting in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indian, Chechnya, Kosovo and Macedonia are all related. The shadowy cabal of Anglo American oligarchies, used Osama bin Laden as a front, who then used his Al Q’aida network throughout the world. All the above countries were then infected with a measure of extreme Islamic Fundamentalism. Then the shadowy cabal would use “humanitarian intervention” as a instrument to secure its place for One World imperialism. Knowing that the demise of the Soviet Union was near, the shadowy cabal claws were already sharpened and waiting, but the new Russian rulers, the Orthodox Christians had already sharpened their claws and put them to use after Stalin died, fighting the shadowy enemy until they were ousted from the country. With the network usefulness in mind, a war was simulated by elements beholding to the shadowy cabal in the New York Council on Foreign Relations (C.F.R.) for Chechnya to fight for independence and breakaway, but Russia was determine not to hand over the golden egg. And the war in Chechnya left the shadowy cabal and the Pentagon on the loosing side, barely hanging on through Western media propaganda war scrutinizing Russia through human rights lies. Onto its next target, the shadowy cabal through the C.F.R. did strategic analysis regarding warfare in Yugoslavia. The war in Yugoslavia involving Bosnia-Hercegovina and Croatia with a dose of Islamic elements, was fought under the banner of freedom and democracy. And later the Kosovo war strategy used Albanian Islamic extremists, fighting under the banner of freedom and human-rights, all initiated by the same shadowy cabal. But as the Kosovo conflict was winding down, Russia stunned Washington and London by outmaneuvering Western military forces (with the help of above equipments), securing the Pristina Airport. Both shocked in amazement, as Russia foiled their plan to secure corridor regions throughout Kosovo to the Mediterranean Sea. But why all the false reasons to protect these covert operations? The bounty of oil in Chechnya through the Caspian Sea region! And the Anglo-American oligarchies want to control future construction of the pipeline and so they organize to secure land for corridor development. Two places that have been eyed for corridor development to flow Chechen Caspian Sea oil are either through Kosovo to the Mediterranean Sea, or through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean and, the latter is the most likely prospect. That is why the shadowy cabal has also been stirring up trouble between Pakistan and India to stop Russia’s ultimate plan of corridor development which excludes the shadowy cabal. With one end of the problem weakly tied, plans were in ernest to try and knot the other end. Another C.F.R. meeting was held in July 2000 to simulate war in Afghanistan and to find offensive ways to defend the interests of Anglo-American oligarchies against the pending financial crisis in America and the world. Over a span of weeks, a propaganda scheme was set in motion to create a certain mindset from media imagery, regarding Afghanistan. All of a sudden, America and the world were bombarded with audio and imagery of Afghanistan: women being oppressed, western missionaries under U.N. taken captive because they were spreading Christianity to the Afghan people, the Talibans were blowing up holy Hindu statues because they represent idol worshiping, etc. World opinions now held captive under the Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry A. Kissenger, and Trilateral Commission underling Samuel P. Huntington mindset of neo-conservative shock media were not enough to demonstrate a convincing reason for America to go into Afghanistan. The next phase was to thoroughly demonize Osama bin Laden to create a convincing reason to go to war and try to knot the other end. A target was chosen, the shadowy cabal enemy in America, two building towers symbolizing the Rockefeller financial empire. Together with the Pentagon damage from the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack, it was enough to convince the American people and the world that Osama bin Laden and his network had to be destroyed. This was a cover for the shadowy cabal to go in an secure the Afghan region corridor that the pipeline would occupy, through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean. Russia gave orders to place several satellites over Afghanistan before any Western military succeed in invading the country. While back in America, the Russians were just waiting for the Peace Faction to motion George W. Bush to signal them into an alliance to help America choke the shadowy cabal, and U.S. Secretary of Sate Colin Powell announced the fight against terrorism pact with Russian Foreign Minister Ignor Ivanov. President Bush jr now had the force behind him, and behind the scenes, efforts began to stall the Pentagon war plans and make a mess of it. The name of the Pentagon anti terrorism war mission changed from “Crusade” to “Infinite Justice” and finally, to “Homeland Defense,” then President Bush jr began pushing his stall tactics in media. Saying things like, long war, covert war, gathering intelligence, we need to understand this new enemy before we rush to war, etc. Incidentally, before N.A.T.O. had launched their war to break up the Balkans, Prime Minister Tony Blair described the mission as a “New Moral Crusade” to Newsweek in June 1999. It was now time for the Russians to put N.A.T.O. into a choke hold. As President Putin delivered his speech in fluent German before the Bundestag in Berlin, Germany on September 25, just 24 hours after, N.A.T.O. activated its “common defense” clause in preparation for a massive military operation against Afghanistan by the shadowy cabal world military machine. But it was too late, because President Putin had already Judoed the whole N.A.T.O. war operation plan before he took the podium in Berlin. Now, N.A.T.O. is suddenly friendly toward Russian interests. With comments like, Russia’s eventual membership in N.A.T.O. is not “beyond consideration...and nothing is beyond consideration these days. I also hope this will begin to shape the discussion we’re going to have over the next year leading up to the Prague summit (in November 2002) on how one might enlarge N.A.T.O. and do it in a way that no one will find threatening,” said Secretary of State Colin Powell in Washington on October 3, 2001. He then conceded that U.S. relations with Russia had experienced “a seismic sea change of historic proportions” in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States World Trade Center. And Russia said crystal clear in late 2000 that if it becomes a member of N.A.T.O., things would have to operate differently and, that the structure must transform from a military block into an organization ensuring security. With good news regrading the alliance, the freedom of Americans are under attack at home subjugated under the disguise of “Homeland Security” imposed by the shadowy cabal using their agent U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to convince Senate Democrats to give him Hitler-style dictatorship measures. During Ashcroft’s nomination, Peace Faction agents well armed at the hearings tried to stop him, but the neo-conservative sympathetic voices in media overpowered them. It is obvious why the shakeup in the Senate was necessary to tip the balance of power away from the neo-conservatives, whose goal was to hand the shadowy Pentagon cabal emergency measures. But Americans are still unaware of the attempted coup d’état in their country and are led to believe that the delayed legislation in the Senate to evoke emergency measures is to protect them from future terrorist attacks. Anthony Mario Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 03:29 pm:        Hello Linda, Those quatrains are certainly a hoax. The first quatrain is "composed" from two different ones, but the first verse is false. The original reads: "1999, seventh month, from the sky will come a great king of terror..." The next two verses are from another quatrain. The last quatrain is completely a hoax. I don't know why Andrew wrote that those quatrains were "almost completely accurate" from french in his post from september 16, 12:53 a.m. If you want to see the original quatrains in french and the translation to english, you can go to: www.astrologer.ru/Nostradamiana/cent_english/ I hope this helps a little. Mario ed Posted on Friday, October 05, 2001 - 04:03 am:        http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/plot_within_a_plot_part2.htm Puppets on a string, we are. Anthony Hall Posted on Friday, October 05, 2001 - 08:58 am:        >My last message appears to have been >hijacked, but not really worth repeating. >In response to the WTC,"who did and why"post,I don't think >I like or agree with the term world domination by the USA. In America today, there are two factions running the country, and they are enemies. Michael Posted on Friday, October 05, 2001 - 09:47 am:        Regarding Ed's post...WOW! Michael Michael Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 02:33 pm:        Billy has posted comments on the present circumstances at: http://www.figu.org/us/index.htm Victor Diaz Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 04:04 pm:        Hey! Had you seen the OVNI near the second tower crash site? When I was watching the video through CNN I saw very clear a big white light as a cigar shape in the begining of the second crash tower, even the camarographer moved its video camera for a few seconds to zoom the object, but the interest was on the crash and returned the frame to the building into flames. I had a copy of that video in .ppt file but unfortunately I can't posted here if anyone want to see it I could send it by e-mail. The ship looks big as it had a distance from the capturer in a relative site near the twin towers. It had a twin light or energy source in the middle of its structure and behaved quit steady during the crash episode, but it tilted slightly after the crash showing this twin light source. The commentor says that these lights are engines, I don´t know, I can say that something was on the picture at that moment and it was not a plane or helichopter. It could be quiet interesting that Billy could give us a light on this, that if plejarians or anyone else from the outer's was carefully watching how the stupid humans were destroying each other. Very funny isn't it? I recommend to see the video. There is some kind of a custom that when something important happens a kind of a ship is been watched and some people film it by ocasion. I don't know if out there is a CNN or similar to transmit those events at first hand too the difference is that they are very sharp just right on place and time, I think they had a better reporters announcing the events before they happened. This doesn't descredit that humands whoever they were were the only reponsable of this atrocity. Volcanic eruptions, solar eclipses, etc, always are been watched by someone else regards its origins, in this case I don't know who could it be, I supose watchers too. Regards Victor Michael Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 05:46 pm:        I want to open some dialogue here (or wherever the moderators prefer) on Billy's comments. There are many people who quickly say that, contrary to Billy's point of view, it's better to attack people, as was done to the Nazi's and the Japanese, and which contributed to ending the war more quickly. The media is full of justification for the American attacks and "eliminating evil", etc. There is a myopia here, an unwillingness to see that we don't have a universal right to make war as the only response to the terrorism. What do you think? Lonnie Morton Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 07:14 pm:        Hi Michael, Good topic to open! As Billy said several times in his comments, violence will breed more violence. The people in general, misguided as they are by all the hoopla, frenzy and spirit of revenge along with the irrational religious thinking that influences them, cannot see the more serious consequences of their actions. Only about 30% of the people have enough reason and understanding to want to look to alternative means to bring justice and peace. Indeed, the quest for true freedom and peace and the way to bring it about in such a way as to benefit us now and in the long run, is not popular with the world. Really, even less than 30%, only a very few as foretold by the prophet Jmmanuel at TJ 7:20, are no part of this anti-logical world. As Billy so rightly summed up, and has implied many times, we must be neutral to all of this, and distance ourselves from all of this insanity. One thing I am very concerned about is our own individual standing toward National warfare and revenge, and how the authorities will respond to this. If a young person or older person for that matter, who has a high regard for the spiritual teachings is drafted into the military in a country that goes beyond serving as a justifiable defense army, such as Britain and America, the question is this: Is conscientious objection the right stand to take for one who truly wants to live by the Creational Natural Laws and directives and persue peace with his fellowman regardless of what that country will do to him in the form of persecution or imprisonment? I myself am past the age of military involement. I ask this question on behalf of all young people everywhere who may be faced with this decision soon if not already. Any comments welcome. Anthony Hall Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 08:50 pm:        WTC: One World Government Shadowy Cabal By Anthony Hall From July 12, 2001, Russian strategists familiar with the movements of the enemy began to drop hints worldwide about a pending "financial attack" against the U.S. approximated from August 19, onward. The purpose of the attack is to collapse the U.S. and world economy in stages. Economist Dr. Tatyana Koryagina in an article titled "The Dollar and America Will Fall Down on August 19?" for Pravda.ru, predicted the attack and encouraged Russian citizens to cash out their dollars and buy rubles, chervonetsy gold coins and convert their dollar accounts into euros. Because over time, the American dollar will become more and more unstable to be business with. Newsmax.com, a neo-conservative mouthpiece took the Pravda article and muddied the information in a commentary written by Dr. Alexandr Nemets, a former immigrant of Russia. This type of mindset behind this and similar mouthpiece media like Newsmax, still believes that the Communist blood installed after the 1917 Revolution rules Russia today. Newsmax noted that the "page-one report in Pravda--still considered the establishment voice of Russia's old guard communists who control the military and intelligence agencies." This type of mindset is too deeply seated to reason. Knowing about the pending financial attack, the Russian State Duma held a conference titled "On the measures to provide the development of Russian economy in the environment of destabilization of the world financial system." The discussions were headed by Dr. Sergei Glazyev of the Duma Commission on Economic Politics. This very event was to insure that financial measures were in place to help defend Russia against this attack. So this attack, in their minds had far reaching consequences. The few prominent foreigners who attended to seek measures and information, Lyndon LaRouche was among the participants. Who incidentally has become a brilliant asset to helping America fight this shadowy enemy. In summary, at the end of the Duma hearings, Dr. Tatyana Koryagina noted that as an expert, she analyses the shadow economy, shadow politics and conspirology of the enemy as senior researcher at the Institute of Macroeconomics. So this was her job to monitor rogue elements interfering with world economies and then offer suggestions to the Putin Government on the necessary healthy measures to take. In the Pravda article, Dr. Koryagina revealed that America is a huge financial pyramid, and the economic crash that is happening, it's difficult to understand how this could have happened in the richest first world country without a war. "The U.S. is engaged in a mortal economic game. ...There is a shadow economy, shadow politics and also a shadow history, known to conspirologists. There are forces acting in the world, unstoppable for countries and even continents." These very forces, said Dr. Koryagina, intends to break America. And they are an "international super-state and super-government groups." In accordance with their tradition, their "mystical and religious components play extremely important roles in human history." One must take into account their shadow economy, shadow politics, and their religious component..." Their shadow financial activities amounts to some $300 trillion hanging over the planet, and at "any moment, they could fall on any stock exchange and cause panic and crash" all over the world. "The recent crisis in Southeast Asia, which touched Russia, was a rehearsal" by the shadow group, said Dr. Koryagina. The U.S. was chosen as a target by the shadowy forces to launch their "financial attack, because the financial center (bubble) of the planet is located there." And once the U.S. economy begins to fall, the symbolism alone influences other economies throughout the whole world. Positive and "serious forces are acting against those (the shadowy forces) who are now preparing the attack on the United States. ...The last 10 days of August have especial importance from a religious-sensible point of view," said Dr. Koryagina. As a result of all the news of a pending financial attack on the U.S. coming out of Russia, the Russian-language cable channel NTV in New York, whose owner, Israeli citizen, oligarch Vladimir Gusinsky, now fired, in early August was forced to denounce the news coming out of Russia as rumors and ungrounded. So, this shadowy force in America did not want the people to know about the pending economic attack. Vladimir Gusinsky NTV media was the entity that was helping the shadowy cabal spread the propaganda Chechnya war lies to neo-conservative media in America who then use it to intensify human rights lies toward Russia through the American airwaves. When Gusinsky was arrested in mid-2000, Itar Tass reported on June 14 that the Jewish Congress said that they want its leader out of jail. After the muzzle was put on Gusinsky, neo-conservative sympathetic voices in America began to scrutinize, accusing Russia of suppressing freedom of the press. Another one of these shadow agents is oligarch Boris Berezovsky who works with the U.S. State Department to help stir up trouble in Russia's industrial regions, and at a press conference in New York early 2001 he said, "we arranged the real revolution in Russia!" Although Berezovsky's image was bruised in Russia from his mischiefs, New York Community cable television BCAT, etc ran a half hour professionally done documentary for weeks about the life and accomplishments of Berezovsky. So, Russia is well aware how these shadowy forces play their games. And Dr. Nemets of Newsmax was right on target when he said: "A network of terrorists groups--mostly in the U.S. and Middle East--were merely the fingers implementing the terrorist strikes. ...These countries are 'hands.' U.S. needs to look at the source. And where is the body, the heart of the beast?" Pravda later re-interviewed Dr. Koryagina in September for her analysis on the September 11 terrorist event: "As a result, a significant part of the world financial network was paralyzed. This strike was aimed at destabilization and destruction of America and all the countries making countless billions of dollars." The U.S. is disseminating a false image regrading who was behind the attack and that it was the work of nineteen terrorists. The operation was the work of a larger group whose aim is to reshape the world, said Dr. Koryagina. The group consists of extremely powerful and private persons, whose total assets amounts to almost $300 trillion, and they intend to legitimatize their power by becoming the New World Government. And the New York terrorist event on September 11 shows that this group is afraid of nothing and human life is of zero value to them. And for countries to protect themselves, gold standard economies are coming back online. The late Dr. Peter Beter noted that during an international monetary turbulence, only gold or strongly gold-backed currencies will be trusted. And that leaves the United States at a terrible disadvantage. The shadowy cabal had forced then President Richard Nixon in 1971 to axe the United States gold standard policy, and this created a wave of negative consequences for his administration. So, in reality, the United States currency is worthless paper money backed by the symbolism of "In God We Trust." That is the reason countries are starting the de-dollarization of their economies to help protect themselves. So, it becomes obvious that the shadowy cabal had been planning this violent financial attack on America, many years ago. And Russian economists believe that the ruble will become a valuable legal tender and are taking steps to link it to the euro currency. President George W. Bush National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, a shadowy cabal agent, in a speech she gave in March 2000 prior to her position is the administration, said: "We need a common enemy to unite us. We need a new threat as a marker to where we will lead. Separation of powers is a problem for foreign policy." These types of comments, generally done in a docile tone, are typical of the shadowy cabal agents. Another mouthpiece of the shadowy cabal, Henry A. Kissinger, addressed the Bilderberg group in Evian, France, May 21, 1992 saying: "Today American's would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." Former President Ronald Reagan, controlled by the shadowy cabal, made a similar reference in his version of the "United We Stand" speech before members of the United Nations general assembly after taking office: "Perhaps we need some outside universal (worldwide) threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien (foreign tyrant) threat from outside this (Western) world." Many have yet to realize that it was a threat to those not in alignment with the One World Government movement. And these nonaligned forces were interfering with the plans of the shadowy cabal in America. The threat implies that the shadowy cabal will get the people on their side even if it means creating a threat, and once that happens, other countries will ignore the benevolent side proposal. For the shadowy cabal to have full financial advantage over the world, its aim is to destroy America's economy by removing its old backers, the Rockefeller management from the world financial scene, and install their new One World Government economy. But, there are counteracting forces who do not want the shadowy forces to bring their new economy online, because this will devastate developing countries and create chaos in countries maintaining bubble economies. So, America will have to make difficult choices. Will they submit fully to the shadowy cabal and finish their globalist conquest, or forge new alliances to help dismantle them? And the enemy will not go without a fight, if that is what it takes to unseat the current economy. Will America listen to Russia and save herself, or will she obey shadowy cabal neo-conservative agents? And it appears that America is slowly choosing the first, forging new alliances to help clean up the dirty work of the shadowy cabal--cells of terrorist networks throughout the world. But, if elements of the shadowy cabal forces infiltrate the mission and carry out mastermind schemes, America could fail to accomplish her publicly stated goals and the operation may develop into something else. Russia already knew the enemy and took measures to counteract them. The United Nations then followed, but Washington and London were reluctant to join in to help dismantle the networks (created through the shadowy cabal's influence). And it's understandable why they did not, at the time, because the shadowy cabal controls a substantial amount of money and political influence in those countries. Twenty-one days after the terrorist attack, President Bush jr told reporters after meeting with congressional leaders that the creation of a Palestinian state had always been part of the United States' vision for the Middle-East, and asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to draft proposals for a comprehensive settlement. This was a clear warning shot over the bow of the shadowy cabal's powerful battle cruiser. And their media agents, the neo-conservatives, are still in shock over the unexpected warning shot fired by their beloved Mr. Bush. Richard Garrison Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 09:38 pm:        As an AMERICAN (and damn proud of it!) I was extremely less than impressed by the comments from a few poorly misinformed citizens of Switzerland. Comments such as "Oh the Americans expect pity from everyone for their problems as if the rest of the world doesn't have enough of their own problems. Give me a break! We don't need your pity or anybody elses, because unlike your tiny and insignificant country, we have the balls to take care of our own problems. This isn't directed at all citizens of Switzerland obviously but only to those comments on the FIGU site. Just as our governments decisions are their own. We vote these people into office yes, but we don't always agree with all the policies, and just as you can't guarantee you won't get your throat cut ear to ear the next time your walking down town, we have to except most decisions because that is what our tax dollars pay these people to do, THEIR JOB!!!! not everything they do can be guaranteed smelling rosey!!! You people need to wake up over there! Those people talk about how Americans go around forcing their will upon the whole world. Well let me ask you people of Switzerland something, and think about this good! Who do you think protects your way of life and from other countries forcing their way of life on you! Do you think your own country? Ha what a joke! You people wouldn't last a New York second in any kind of war. Peace isn't something you buy off the street corner with your swiss banks. Peace on this planet is earned. I will tell you this! If you want to start slinging mud around at my country, don't even go there! Or we can discuss how your country cheated, stole and lied to the jewish people when your banks had to be sued to give back all the money you stole after harboring all the Nazi loot. You want to sling mud? Have at it! I'm locked loaded and ready, because the difference here is that I am ready to die for my country and for what I believe in, are you? It's ironic, because we all had the same attitude you people did when it happened to someone else, your attitude would change if it was your mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters. But then what would a tiny little insignificant country like Switzerland do if was in our shoes??? Don't judge us until you've walked in in them a good mile or two! BTW, name one thing your country has done for the benefit of anyone else but yourselves! in recent times. Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 09:59 pm:        Billy's writings from Bulletin #36 represent the first sane view I've heard on this whole mess so far. Mark Campbell Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 11:15 pm:        That's right JP .Billy really shows us some of his inner mind there , neutral and clear. What is not apparent , is whether the correct reaction of bringing the criminals to justice by 'no bloodshed 'is even possible . I find it hard to conceive of a scenario in which they could apprehend the terrorists and merely put them under arrest. Predictably , there would be armed fire ; and in another scenario , the arrests would likely aggravate the same counter-retaliation and unsuing death toll as the already real bombings .The extremist attitudes of both sides really do scream for blood . The mechanations of the covert groups on all sides rally for an outcome that is both confusing and disheartening ; that is , if what Anthony Hall posted is in fact accurate . I have to admit , what he indicates is intriguing ,(pun unavoidable ). Anthony Hall Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 06:47 am:        Sham reasons to accomplish other things. Shadowy cabal elements in America and London = elements of Taliban, whose tyrant leader Osama bin Laden gives orders to the Networks. The TV crew connection that interviews Osama bin Laden is based in London. And yet he is so difficult to find. You can see how the Taliban mindset (and similar) can become dangerous. It is a fanatical mindset. But Osama Bin Laden is just the hands and scapegoat. His false trail is being hyped by the U.S. Media. Bin Laden often hides his British connection, the headquarters of his movement is in London, and not in Afghanistan or Sudan as the U.S. Media often claims. His mouthpiece, Omar Bakri, is based in London. And the Arabic daily Al Sharq Al Awsat there said that "we have a covenant of peace with the British government." He told the daily paper Al Quds Al Arabi in August 1998, consoling the British that he was "only interested in hitting the U.S. and Israel" because of their attacks on Afghanistan, and not Britain. Remember, Bin Laden and his network are assets of the British shadowy cabal geopolitical destabilization agenda. faeriedust Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 10:00 am:        Mr. Garrison, you are ... <comment edited> Moderator To All Readers: Personal attacks on someone's character or name-calling will not be allowed in this Forum. Please use caution when making your posts, no matter how sensitive or "combustible" the discussion topic, or your post will be removed. I am a proud American myself, with two generations on soldiers on the front lines of wars. what i have learned from my father and grandfather is that war is unnecessary and does not help any matters, only the peaceful negotiations after the killing has solved anything. And to sit there and sling mud at other countries as if we are totally innocent when it comes to matters of racism and extermination of cultures and lifestyles that don't agree with our ideas? The point of this site is to try to get past these petty squabbles and live together in unity. Do you even know what that means? I have personally lost relatives in this horrible event and I'M NOT GOING AROUND ACTING LIKE A HOMEY WITH A GLOCK AND AN APPETITE FOR VENGEANCE. I am hoping that we on earth can stop the terror- and the only way to stop terror is to stop fighting! thats something you learn in kindergarten! i dont understand how we as American's will sit there and try to think we are civilized when in reality we are acting like an LA streetgang shootin them <expletive removed> up... are we any better? i hope you find peace and wisdom in your heart but until then quit showing your <comment edited> around here- no one is impressed. Mario Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 10:00 am:        Dear Richard: Before you criticize someone, you must walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes too. Come back in some thirty or fourty lives later. Best regards, Mario PS Most of the posts here are from "americans" Richard G. Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 10:15 am:        It really amazes me how gullible people are on this site. I also sense a little hipocracy as well. My point is this; people will read things and believe if it's what they want to hear. The same applies to the Meier case. I have seen people from the Meier group criticize the critics for not researching the Meier case much more thoroughly before making what they call ludicrous and crazy statements. I have also seen some pretty harsh words from Meier himself regarding Lee Elders. It's personally none of my business, but Lee brought the Meier info back to Arizona which was how I got the info way back in the late 70's. That's another story, but I found it pretty tasteless to slam somebody like that publicly, right or wrong. I think Meier has a legitimate case, but I found his lack of verbal control a little suspect especially coming from someone who is supposed to be so much more evolved than the rest of us. I sense maybe a little more contemporary humanity rather than the latter. So why do you people read these conspiracy theorys and believe them blindly without a shred of proof? How many of you that post those stories have researched these claims? I will admit there seems to be some truth to some of it, and I am as open minded as the next guy, but give it a break. A good example was the Nostradamus claims. So many people believed this wihtout even so much as looking it up themselves. Finally some people took the initiative and found out it was lies. Do I need to say more? It's free speech to post that stuff, but for the love of God, Creation or whatever you believe, try to back it up with a little of your own research. As for Mr Meiers opinion, I have stated the same problem before, tell us something we don't already know!!!!!!! For god sakes, it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a 1000 year old Plejaran to figure out the world is screwed up. Wasn't it stated that this planet was a dumping ground for experiments? And that no other planet in the known universe was like this place? Why else are there so many different cultures here? We are human, we are not perfect, personally I have no desire to speak Russian or Chinese, so as long as there are threats to the rest of the worlds freedoms and ours, the USA will continue to police, like it or not. My suggestion is to live your own life in peace and let things take care of themselves. I don't like the way life is here any more than anyone else. But don't disrepect my country just as you would or should demand the same respect. Opinions are just that, nothing more than opinion and everyones got one. Michael Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 10:17 am:        Hi Mark, I too am trying to figure out the "how to" part of it and think that it necessitates not just an action now but rather a different mindset that creates true unity among peoples and nations so that effective apprehension isn't just an abstract idea. I thought of a condensed representation of what was being said, which didn't of course fully encompass the "how to" part yet: If someone bursts into your home intending to do you harm you are quite justified in protecting yourself and your family, even to the extent of taking the intruder's life. However, our own legal system forbids us from running down the street, even right after it's happened let alone weeks later, and shooting at the one we believed was the intruder or his associates. We have legal procedures in place for apprehending and prosecuting attackers. Should we nonetheless run out to find and shoot the attacker, and in the process also injure or kill other parties, we are held responsible for the crime. It could then be said that our after-the-fact attacks perpetuated and compounded the violence and we, the former victims, now have become culpable. Wouldn't it be wiser for us to lock and secure our homes while the designated authorities apprehend and try the culprits? Michael Scott B. Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 12:37 pm:        Hello It seems that the recent events have triggered many aspects of human behavior. These include fear, anger, hatred, patriotism, revenge, solidarity, justification etc. From my observations most people that live on a day-to-day basis are somewhat confused on how to act and respond with regards what's been going on. Many of us are still going to our jobs and dealing with daily stresses and hoping somehow things will work out. I don't think this is a weak approach, but rather a wait and see attitude. I notice that in America that there is a real push for everyone to become united and support the stars and stripes. This to me is a bit alarming, because now there is this division amongst people that support the government and those that don't. How many of us have seen this national campaign to display the flag wherever you go. People everywhere are wearing flags, selling them, distributing them. I feel now like if I don't participate that either I'm rejecting the US, and or I'm against the US which sets me apart and makes me suspect. This nonconformity then creates fear, which then cause everyone to suspect everyone else. The media on many levels also generates so much of what is happening in the minds of people. From radio broadcasts, talk shows, to continual bombardment from almost every Television station on the latest developments. I'm at the point now that I will intentionally turn the TV off, because it does not tell me anything that either I already know, or its just creating more fear and uncertainty in the minds of people. Sometimes I catch myself just pausing and looking around my surroundings and saying what is going on. I don't see any bombs dropping from where I stand, I'm feeling ok and I still hear birds in the trees. Granted things are happening in other countries and I'm not going to pretend these things are not happening, I have participated directly in an earlier US conflict so I know these things are real. All I'm saying I think it's important to not get completely caught up in all of this craziness that is going on. Fear breeds Fear..... I'm not intelligent enough to even begin to understand the nature of religious hatreds and the many confusing politics of many countries and all the interrelationships that exist in this world. I feel that's it important to live by example and to treat each being with a degree of respect and understanding. I feel most people don't relish the idea of bloodshed and hatred, but it seems we as a species have somehow allowed this to happen now to the point where it appears out of control. It seems that terror leads to revenge which leads to war, which leads to revenge and it goes on and on. My best to everyone. Salome Scott B. Linda Williams Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 12:56 pm:        Hello all, At the risk of sounding "gullible," I remain glued to CNN primarily as the source of information about this war on terrorism. Do I believe that "we are aborting our air strikes if we suspect collateral damage"? No, I don't believe that. We are already receiving confirmed reports that innocent civilians have been killed. Do I believe that it is possible to peacefully, logically and reasonably negotiate with warmonging, fanatical and insane enemies? No, I don't. It seems that we are attacking these terrorist cells much in the same way that we attack cancerous cells in the human body. We are aggessively eradicating them with the hope of securing remission and health. The "how to" issue is of major concern to me as well. My initial outrage at the 9/11 events was with an egregious intelligence failure. What made things worse were the media's claims that the FBI had "tracked" two of the hijackers for weeks before the event. If that was the case, I asked, how did the operation succeed? The FBI already has had enough egg on its face, and these claims only seemed to splash on more. I believe that preventive medicine, if you will, lies with the intelligence community. We evidently realize that now as we are attempting to beef up our intelligence operations that must penetrate military installations, biological and chemical warfare, and all other insidious means of terrorist activity. Do I believe this can be done without warfare? I'd like to, but . . . Our space neighbors, according to much military, government, and intelligence witness testimony, do one of two things with our space-based weapons: they either disable them or they intercept them. Perhaps this "how to" paradigm contains some answers for us. Sincerely, Linda P.S. Richard, mea culpa! Mea culpa! I didn't research information that I believed came from a reliable source. I embrace my human imperfection and my mistakes. Marc Juliano Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 01:12 pm:        Hi Scott, Thanks a lot for your post. For the most part, I think it speaks my thoughts. In addition to treating people with the respect and dignity they deserve, if people would just take that little pause before they speak, accuse and act in order to think more than just one level ahead, you can guarantee things would be better. Salome, Marc Anthony Alagna Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 05:12 pm:        Richard, You missed Bernadette Brand's point in her "Overcoming Shock" article. She (the FIGU) is not insensitive; she's saying that people need to distance themselves from the repetition of the experienced horror, in order to think clearly and come to an understanding about what is happening. Seeing it for a little while is one thing, but being consumed with fear, grief, pity, or hatred does not accomplish anything, and your mind is not free (relaxed) to think about things logically. A "tit for a tat" is for cavemen. I can't believe that the majority of American people are cheering on a war that will cost thousands of lives like it was a football game on TV? Why has it become almost a crime in America to even suggest an alternative to war? Look around, these people are getting scorned by the masses, called cowards, and unpatriotic. How American is the media? Since when is it patriotic to chase "ballooned" financial market "casinos" rigged by greedy banks? Show me in the U.S. Constitution. And why then are these same types telling you to get into never ending debt to spend money on more material nonsense in a shrinking job market, when people should be cutting back for hard times (economic recession) and saving money for necessities? Regards, Anthony Richard Garrison Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 11:22 pm:        In my first comment, I was at my boiling point over the "USA is trying to conquer the world" rhetoric. Any half way intelligent being on this planet will tell you war sucks. So please tell me how this peace is to be preserved. I mean the Plejarans posess weapons capable of destroying an entire planet, but have stated that it's for defensive purposes only. Now, how does a completely assumed pacifistic peace loving society condone having weapons like these? I will tell you, it's called self preservation which is the first primal instinct to kick in under the same circumstances. If we didn't have this,in fact if our benign benfectors didn't posess this most primitive instinct,( they are our distant relatives) then they might cease to exist as well. Somehow I don't picture them eating crumpets and drinking tea while another race is ionizing their planet. Does anyone get the picture here? Remember Semjase's quote? " There are good and bad people in the Galaxy" even races advanced enough for deep space travel have their problems. Problems will exist wherever you go, rememeber only creation is perfect? I believe Immanuel was trying to tell people to aspire to be godlike or perfect as in nature as a goal to be forever trying to achieve. It doesn't matter what you do or how you do it (anything), somebody somewhere else isn't going to like it no matter what you do. I wish it were a perfect world also, but it's not and probably won't be in our lifetimes. If you have children, that's what I would be worried about. I have to admit, I have been puzzled as to why Billy even wanted to bring children into this world knowing far more about it's faults than the rest of us. So why bring life into this? only to suffer? I can guess that maybe as bad as things are there is always a shred of hope. Whoever said that life on this planet would be easy? I had the same attitude as most of you, Peace and love thy neighbor etc. but after working my backside off for the last 25 years I have a pretty nice house a decent car and a decent life. and I am not about to have it rendered useless by anyone here or overseas. That is why you have people cheering like it's a football game. We have all worked hard for what we have. Were not going to roll over and play dead pacifist, sorry but that's reality. Think about this before reading the next USA dominaton of the world conspiracy theory. If anyones going to conquer the world, would you rather be speaking Chinese or English? Or Arabic?I truly wish it were different. Let's see, Hey fairy dude what are you anyway? guy or girl? or do you have a real name? For Mario, no thanks! one life here with you guys is one too many. Regards Christian Frehner Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 08:23 am:        Hi people, We just noticed that there are some false translations in the texts about the assault from September 11. The corrected translations will be online again within 48 hours. Regards, Christian George Madeyski Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 10:36 am:        Hi everybody. And how would the King of Wisdom - Ptaah react to all that? What would be his solution? Marc, do you think it is possible to get opinion/and correct solution from him? Via contact with Billy of course. Isn't that what the Kings of Wisdom are for - To find the right solution to the most difficult problems? Regards George Christian Frehner Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 03:00 pm:        Hi all, The corrected texts about terrorism (and terrorists of all kind and nations!) is online again. Salome, Christian Richard P. Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 03:02 pm:        I would like to add a post from another individual, also named Richard, who has been following this particular discussion with great interest. One reason, perhaps, is because in my career, I have worked in both the WTC and that portion of the Pentagon that got devastated, as well as a considerable amount of time in the military. I am glad to see what may be a "common theme" in many of the posts. It is a theme of stepping back to think rationally about the situation. Specifically, I am talking about Scott B's quote; "All I'm saying I think it's important to not get completely caught up in all of this craziness that is going on." And, in Marc J's post; "... if people would just take that little pause before they speak, accuse and act in order to think more..." And, in Anthony A's post; "... people need to distance themselves from the repetition of the experienced horror, in order to think clearly..." These three quotes, even out of context, seem to portray a wise procedure for one to sit quietly and consider where we are, without being consumed by irrational emotions we are seeing so much around us right now. If you would permit me to please add yet one more, out of context, quote, it is from the recently translated English excerpts from FIGU Bulletion No. 36 (Part I); "... because those who are not capable of rational thinking cannot be brought to accept rationale and logic." That is, of course, Billy, who is being quoted here, who seems to summarize the three quotes and common theme that I am beginning to see in this discussion. To continue on this similar theme, but with a concrete example; today, a seemingly to me, terrible thing happened in this long chain of events. CNN and other media have come under a great deal of pressure to stop any future broadcasts from this Osama bin Laden individual. The reason given why this pressure has come to bear is that such messages may contain coded instructions to operatives in the USA. This may be true, but perhaps, there is a far more greater cost of what this policy of wartime censureship has on the ability of many calm, rational minds to just have the information to determine what is true for oneself. For just one item out of the text: In the CNN video broadcast of Osama bin Laden, he said; "Our nation has been tasting this humiliation and this degration for more than 80 years." Now, this is a good statement because it gets one to think. A calm and careful evaluation of that text will cause one to consider how the Middle East left the domination of the Ottoman Empire approximately 80 years ago, with the establishment of Turkey as a non-colonizing Republic following its defeat in WW I. Further consideration of history will bring one to remember that Great Britain and France moved into that power vacuum. Later on, it would appear that many people believe that the USA took over their position of dominating the politics of the Middle East, and so on.... Again, my task in this post, is not to just bring up a lot of different quotes in posts from others, nor to argue who is right/who is wrong. I, like others in this discussion thread, are perhaps just looking for a moment or two of calm reflection to arrive at a rational decision of what is true for oneself. And then, to follow that self-decision through in order to effect this spiritual growth opportunity. Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 05:49 pm:        Hello all, We have released the final WTC text today, however, with two small errors that were caught just minutes ago. Because of the nature of these documents, we were hasty (and pushed) in getting them out. After more than 7 straight hours (35+ total) of work today, they are more understandable and better translated for the English speaking population, and many might catch the two (currently posted) mistaken words (an "und" instead of an "and" and the sentence by Billy; "Never am I opposed to or do I despise people of a different faith for the sake of pure faith, because for me love towards my fellowmen is a very important thing, as well just as my reverence towards his opinion, his faith and his life is). No problem, however, since they will be replaced in the morning (Swiss time). Thank you for your patience in this matter. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette PS - There was an imprudent decision (due to lack of communication) to release the document some days ago before it was finished. We apologize for any misunderstandings that occurred because of this (and for any misinterpretations in the texts themselves). All is better now, thanks to many hours of cigarettes, blurry eyes, coffee, Coca Cola, laptop batteries, etc., or, in Christian's case, much spring water.. Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 05:51 pm:        Oh, and telephone bills!! Scheisse! Michael Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 - 07:39 pm:        This has not been addressed, at least directly, by Billy or FIGU but it is glaringly relevant: http://www.rense.com/general15/whywerereally.htm faeriedust Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 06:46 am:        Hello! Richard I have to ask your forgiveness for attacking so vehemently. Its been the longest month for me. Your viewpoints are merited, and I feel I was a little harsh. Let me explain where I am coming from. I am not a pacifist-- in fact I have had to take many pains to become as peace loving as I am now. I used to be in a gang of punks, thankfully never killed anyone, but I lived my life with anger and with vengeance in mind. I realized that I would not survive unless I overcame these natural tendencies and start to think about things. Apparently I am still young and i don't think about EVERYTHING i say and do. but i feel i'm getting there. The current state of affairs in my country worries me as it does many others on this board because i see a lot of cries for unity- but only if you totally agree. and from where i stand, I CAN'T. Bush's posturings and the way most americans are reacting in support remind me of the things my gang and i would say in order to get the courage to hurt others- which in hindsight really didnt deserve the hurt we dished out. we reacted and then pondered after. along with this worry i also am getting the feeling that i cannot state my observations b/c people automatically feel i am an enemy of the state. so i react in anger, and i am sorry you had to feel the brunt of it. i understand your arguments for self defense and conservation of your property. i just ask that we as american people should get the whole truth and react accordingly, when you and i both know that we probably aren't getting whole truths. i have had personal experience with our media and had to experience the reprocussions of the dishonesty and propaganda our country's news organizations tend to embrace. They sometimes lie in order to appease the general public, and leave those involved slandered and alone to pick up the pieces. By the way, faeriedust is my nickname and deejay name. i am a young girl, and a beautiful one at that-- but i'm just learning, the punk in me still comes out... Michael Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 08:51 am:        Billy's comments about the depth of the human problems that cause these things to happen were true and perceptive. We all know that there are various conspiracy theories abounding regarding cabals and multi- or inter-national secret forces actually behind the terrorism so I have a question of our friends the Plejarens. As they have often said that they can't comment on certain human machinations as it may interfere with terrestrial military or governmental matters, I now ask that such considerations, should they exist, be set aside and that we are given the benefit of their perspective (seeing as even Billy sees the imminent possibility of WWIII arising out of this.) So, were there any such parties as mentioned above (a la conspiracies)involved or directly connected to this event, were explosives from inside the buildings used to bring them down, where the planes actually remotely controlled by other parties, is there complicity from within certain parties connected with the U.S. government? Should the Plejarens actually have answers to these questions they would be welcome. While we have to think certain things out for ourselves, there are some matters in which we may not have access to the correct information and there are circumstances like these where we may not, literally, have the time to find out. Should things be simply as they appear, which is bad enough, we can at least get on with not being distracted by groundless disinformation. Considering the intimate relationship to the events of our world, long past and present, and the perspective available to the Plejarens, I for one think we're entitled to know as much as possible. Michael Anthea Cossette Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 09:46 am:        Hello Michael, Reading your comments, I want to add my own thinking on this. Too much information can be dangerous. By this I mean that it is prudent to not say too much about the exact details of what happened, or will happen, until well after the proverbial dust has settled, as this could endanger the position of the Mission within the United States and/or Switzerland or other locations. I for one think that it really is not that important to know these details - what purpose could it truly serve? Best to let sleeping dogs lie - the truth of matters will be exposed eventually. I think that it is best to focus energy on where it is most needed, towards Peace, and this of course means that the Salome is of utmost importance, as is our own world of thoughts. Kind Regards, Anthea Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 11:41 am:        I most certainly agree with Anthea. Whether the Plejarans have any info on this at all is another matter entirely. Also, if one looks at this in a particular way: What REALLY happened was already put forth in Bulletin #36. These are just my own thoughts also. Richard P. Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 02:57 pm:        I also add my agreement with Anthea Cossette's opinion that; "Too much information can be dangerous." If a person were to indicate in public that one knows who really was responsible for a hideous crime, the criminal agents, who were willing to do such a terrible carnage, would have no scruples about doing the same to the whistleblower, and any organization associated with the whistleblower! I am very impressed with Billy's wisdom in Bulletin 36, by sticking to the basic facts of Earth human nature (which has been repeated often enough on this poor planet). Likewise, Anthea's husband, Andrew, is to be commended for his major work on translating the German text into English for us all to read. Richard P. Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 04:03 pm:        Hello all, Actually, what I gather is that Billy said a lot(!) in his comments, but his clues are between the lines and hidden to the casual reader. During work on this monster, I had to read the damn thing over 100 times atleast, piece by piece, word for word. His writing style is very clever and always has been (he is widely known as one of the greatest writers in the world, if not history itself). As it is in Contact 251, he might jumble certain repetitive and redundant info around -- there is where some clues are. Keep in mind that that is his style. This way, things are keep hidden to the uninitiated reader. This is the beauty of his cunningness, tact, prudence, and adroitness (things everyone should learn). He is a true maven in its deepest sense of the word when it comes to speech and writing. Just my thoughts. Have a nice day. This is all so exciting watching fear from afar, hmmm? Finally the people are getting a kick in the hindquarters of humbleness. It's about time... Regards, Andrew Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 10:15 pm:        Hi all, Bulletin #36, regarding allowing criminals (etc.) a way to "work out" their "issues" instead of killing them off so they don't... I have been pondering this most of the day. For some reason, the destruction of Atlantis & other past societies keep coming up in my mind. Will "we" all do this again? If we simply kill all the terrorists off... perhaps their spirits will come back with at least a portion of their same "unresolved issues" another day? Will "we" all have to deal with these same spirits' issues again in our future? Perhaps an elaboration from somebody who knows more on all this might be productive, but only if appropriate. Also, a discussion of the distant past would be "emotionally neutral", compared to present issues. Also, is it possible that we take "false comfort" through the "predictions"... by assuming that our present society will survive as is? JP Anthony Hall Posted on Friday, October 12, 2001 - 11:57 pm:        Indeed intriguing. Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the mastermind agent of the shadowy cabal NWO, please read his book(s). His he a prophet or a seer? How could he see into the future? In Brzezinski's book "Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technotronic Era," he wrote: "With the use of computers human behavior itself will become more determined and subject to deliberate programming, and it will soon be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen." "Into an era unlike any of its predecessors; we (the United States) were moving toward a technotronic era that could easily become a doctorship," said Brzezinski. Our Society, he also said, "is now in an information revolution based on AMUSEMENT FOCUS (shows like Jerry Springer, etc), SPECTATOR SPECTACLES (saturation of TV and radio sporting events) which provide an opiate for an increasingly purposeless mass." America is being dumb down with amusements in order to overthrow opposing elements within the country. And this man is revered when it comes to critical analysis in the American Press. It is this beast, the press, that is difficult to penetrate, because it has created a certain mindset in many Americans that will be difficult to break, and so totalitarian effects in the U.S. will have to be experienced for a while to help break this mindset. This same Brzezinski in his book "Out of Control: Global Turmoil on the Eve of the Twenty-First Century" advocates solving the Middle-East problem with the use of Nuclear bombs, and he names the countries in the area to be bombed. And his friend Samuel P. Huntington agrees with his Middle-East scenario. In the 1980s, the same group was making plans to set off Project-Z (Z for Zbigniew), a global nuclear war. But they were stopped! And so, now, they are using terrorist networks to solve the problem in a different way. As I like to call the movement, simply: Terrorists, the army of the Revelation Anti-Christ. And it is these types of drawn out mini-wars that will erupt WWIII when the Peace Ones decide enough, is enough! This problem can no longer be solved through diplomatic means. Just slightly modifying the title of one of his latest books above: Out of Control: Global Turmoil on the Eve of the Year 2001. His he a prophet or a seer? How could he see into the future? Intriguing. Anthony PS: Oh America, don't give up. Positive forces, even though you ridicule them, are on your side. Out of your well planned dilemma will emerge a new mindset, a new way of thinking, a new era, a new age. A new age of Peace. Anthony Hall Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 12:47 am:        Further reading: Ex-National Security Chief Brzezinski admits: Afghan Islamism Was Made in Washington http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm Anthony Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 06:06 am:        Hi all, Thank you Anthony Alagna for your excellent "summarization". "...the next incarnation starts off with these unlearned things..." Would a person with a previous life in which he/she died as a terrorist (depending on the situation), have a tendency towards terrorism again? Does it really matter EXACTLY how the war of Atlantis (for example) started? Does it really matter EXACTLY how the present conflict(s) began? If the people involved in the present situation(s) have a tendency towards this type of thing... the "tactical details" of who caused this or that become almost irrelevant. The desire to use terrorism as a "solution" would be extremely difficult to resist, especially when large groups of people are involved... It would be interesting to find out the "past life influences" which are relevant in the present conflict(s). JP Anthony Hall Posted on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 10:03 am:        >>My last message appears to have been >>hijacked, but not really worth repeating. >>In response to the WTC,"who did and why"post,I don't think >>I like or agree with the term world domination by the USA. >In America today, there are two factions running >the country, and they are enemies. Dove and Hawk Factions in America After the Civil War ended in 1865, the United States of America was divided into essentially two factions. The Patriotic bloc followed in the tradition of Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy. The second faction, also known as the Tory faction (as Washington termed them in his March 2, 1777 war document) was made up of interests beholden to the British East India Company. These were bankers like Aaron Burr and John Jacob Astor, who started the Bank of Manhattan, Martin van Buren of New York and interests behind the American slave trade. But, the British East India Company began spinning its web before the Civil War to ensure that after the fighting ended it had enough political power in reserve to manipulate the young nation. So, the Patriotic bloc was anti-British, and the Tory faction was pro- British. It is through the British East India Company where the Rothschild influence enters the picture. From this genesis, a special relationship developed over the years between America and England. (So, in truth, America started as a conspiracy.) The Tory faction represents today's Hawks in government. This group is part of the shadowy cabal that includes the Rothschilds, the Bolsheviks, the Bilderberg group, Zionists, neo-conservatives, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry A. Kissinger, Trilateral Commission underling Samuel P. Huntington, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, etc. And in July 2000, Hawk member Peter Schwartz in his C.F.R. report advocates killing off parts of Africa's population and was loud about his genocidal policy. He said: "Those who have AIDS in Africa should die as quickly as possible. They should not be kept alive." Do you now understand why America is slow to give Africa AIDS drugs? Read between the lines regarding the AIDS issue. The usefulness of this disease was realized by someone. The Doves are the Patriotic bloc formed by the early presidents of America. And the American Patriotic bloc were the ones who reached out to Russia's Czar Alexander II for help, to fight the Tory faction forces during the Civil War. Unannounced, on September 24, 1863 at a very critical stage in the Civil War, two Russian Pacific naval fleet, the first under Admiral Liviski, arrived into the harbors of New York, and the second fleet under Admiral Popov arrived in San Francisco on October 12. A division of the Russian Navy squadron also fought on the side of the North. It was a firm and powerful signal to European powers to stay out of the Civil War and let the Patriotic bloc determine their own faith, and the British and French naval fleets hesitated and turned back. Despite the horrible wounds suffered by the United States, it survived as a fragile, but free and independent nation for a period. Because of Russia's intervention in the Civil War, it was targeted from that day onward for total destruction by "untouchable international powers" who had been deterred in their plan to bring the United States under their control. They decided that Christian Russia must perish, to be taken over by a godless new governing system called Bolshevik-Communism. When the Rockefeller dynasty came into the mix, this created three factions: The Tory faction, the Patriotic bloc and the Rockefeller cartel. The then Rockefeller political bloc in the Republican Party began creating friction within the party to prevent the emerging fascist elements (today’s neo conservatives) from grabbing power away from them. And many of the neo conservatives are former Bukharanite Communists--hate the idea of nation-state and industrial development. After President John F. Kennedy coup d'état murder plot in 1963, to prevent the Rockefeller Cartel from deterring their plans, a further series of assassinations and maneuvers were carried out by the Tory faction, and by November 1978 with the death of John D. Rockefeller III, there were no more conflicts on the floor of the Republican Party, and that was evident in the 1980 election that gave Ronald Reagan the presidency. Mae Brussell commented then that the Rockefeller Cartel was as dead as the British Empire. It must be made clear that the Tory faction is not the British Empire. The shadowy cabal unseated the British Empire in a paper money coup d'état, and in France, they did it with bonds. The Tory faction unseated the Rockefellers to try and grab the cartel's share of the pie. After that, only two factions remained: The Tory faction and the Patriotic bloc. Russia's new rulers, the Patriots, and the American Patriotic bloc are in alliance, fighting the Tory faction and their collaborators. The Tory faction owns a large percentage of corporate media: NBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, etc. One of the financial mouthpiece of the Tory faction is the Wall Street Journal, which resulted from a merger with Boston and New York interests. Boston's "State Street" financial center is run by several families, the Cabots, Perkins, Coolidges, Russells, Cushings, Lowells, etc who made their money in the British-run China opium trade. The speculator free-trade Journal foresees a world, in the futur e where the usury driven market rules the planet. And in so doing, sovereign nation states would fade away, subservient to the demands of the speculators' economy. The owner of the Journal is Boston's aristocratic family Brahmin Bancroft, whose Journal is connected to the City of London axis, which is controlled by British oligarchy financiers. From its inception in 1889, the Journal has opposed the American Patriotic bloc System of Economics as outlined by Gottfried Leibniz, Alexander Hamilton, and Abraham Lincoln. With the murder of John F. Kennedy in 1963, the Tory faction began to implement its "post-industrial society" agenda. It was now obvious that Kennedy, a Patriotic bloc President, was the obstacle. And over time, certain manufacturing industries were dismantled and sent overseas, and the building up of information services and financial speculation as outlined in the post-industrial society plan went full speed ahead. The aim was for America to create an information work force and not a manufacturing work force. So that America would control the information, and the rest of the world would become manufacturing laborers, as outlined in Daniel Bells' book, "The Coming of the Post Industrial Society." Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 01:21 pm:        Hello to all readers of this FIGU forum, I must jump in here and politely mention that the posts by Mr. Hall (e.g., above and others) are not necessarily the stance or opinion of the FIGU on these matters. Reading Mr. Halls threads, one might 'assume' that this is the case. However, it is not. Occasionally, Mr. Hall will mention at the beginning of his posts that they are of his own 'pen', his own thinking, or that they come from him only. More often than not, this does not happen. So, with that said, please do not consider this/his information as coming from FIGU, "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier, or the Spiritual Teachings themselves. This is absolutely to the contrary. Thanks for your understanding in this matter Anthony. Oh, btw, it would be nice if the posts were somewhat shorter (they would be nicer to read). Regards, Andrew C. Cossette Norm Posted on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 03:13 pm:        I would love to hear what Billy thinks about this. Who's The Enemy:The "End of Days" Begun? http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm Michael Posted on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 04:47 pm:        Hi Norm, A very complex bunch of info and specualtion. One thing that caught my eye was the alignment of Sirius over Giza. My question would be: Is that what the Plejarens were referring to when they spoke of a certain alignment, with light coming down a shaft in the great pyramid, which would be a sort of cosmic signal? Now THAT'S a question I'd like to see addressed here. Michael Michael Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 07:29 pm:        Wake up call: http://www.rense.com/general15/tr.htm Andrew C. Cossette Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 08:29 pm:        Is this rense.com or the FIGU Discussion Forum where we discuss FIGU-related matters and the teachings as given by Billy and the Plejarans? Maybe this is a Yahoo group area? Or, maybe just a big, random posting area on the Semjase-Silver-Star-Center's Website! If hyperlinks are the only thing that people can think of posting, then maybe it's better not to post at all. The moderator and I have agreed that this Website is a FIGU Website and the terms and conditions still apply (even for members). In the near future, things might have to change, just like back in the old days when the forum was created. Please, therefore, be prudent and use conversation instead of hyperlinking the forum into oblivion. Regards, Andrew C. Cossette Linda Williams Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 09:12 pm:        Hello Andrew, A NON-FIGU RELATED DISCUSSION AREA exists on this website. Am I to understand with your post that you wish to discontinue it? Sincerely, Linda Marc Juliano Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 - 01:44 am:        Hello All, This topic area is now closed for posting. After more than a month since these events, I think it's better to now focus our attention more on what can be done to improve the state of the world and to discuss the spiritual aspects of a peaceful coexistance between all people. The Media will continue to provide their "full and complete coverage" -- e.g. "Attack on America", "America Strikes Back", "Terror on your Doorstep", and what have you. In all of it, I fail to see any real learning process being fostered, which brings me to my next point... Billy Meier and others have posted information that addresses the true core of the matter in their articles within FIGU Bulletin #36, listed in the news section of FIGU's website. If anyone wants to discuss this specific information, there is a topic heading called "FIGU Bulletins" within the Books and Booklets section. Please keep your postings relevant to the FIGU information. Thanks and enjoy the Forum, Marc Juliano FIGU Forum Moderator Cpl Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 08:29 pm:        In view of more and bigger tsunamis predicted by the Plejarens, including the La Palma mega-tsunami which I have had my own inspiration on, the following is hot-off-the-press pertinent reading from the scientific community that agrees at least one of these is possible at this time. They also mention "why" at this time. Hint: it's global warming linked. “Tsunami-Generating Earthquake Near U.S. Possibly Imminent” link: http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050103_cascadia_tsunami.html “Tsunamis in History” link: http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/tsunami_history.html “Mystery of Deadly 1946 Tsunami Deepens” link: http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/041206_tsunami_new.html “Tsunami-Generating Earthquake Near U.S. Possibly Imminent” link: http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050103_cascadia_tsunami.html Brian's predictions also mention this coming mega northwest U.S. tsunami. While he seems to often get the timing wrong, he is also often correct, despite being, what I consider to, be a bit "over the top". Brian predicted this one for up to the end of August. You can see it on his chart at: http://briansprediction.com/warnings.htm. BTW the flooding of housing areas I saw earlier this year that I thought to be Japan before that happened in New Orleans actually happened last month in Japan with tens of thousands evacuated and homes inundated due to the Typhoon that hit Kyushu and went up the Japan Sea. The typhoon was reportedly stronger than Katrina, but the Japanese are well prepared for these things that come in numbers every year. FEMA and Homeland Security should come over here and get some proper training! Best, cpl Kingman Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 01:17 am:        Tonight on www.coasttocoastam.com, George Noory had a guest who has successfully predicted large quakes and was warning of an upcoming event that could trigger a tsunami in the northwest of US. I only heard a few minutes, but I think he said it would be in September sometime. I have paid heed and have stored proper supplies for at least a month. Never a bad idea. a friend in america Shawn

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