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Redbeard
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Post Number: 180
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 05:13 pm: | 
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Yes Dyson,
I was wondering about the comment of Moses deleting and corrupting the commandments, was this a Meier verifiable statement or not.
Thanks,
Peace be to you, Matt
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1104
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 10:30 am: |
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Thanks, Matt,
http://theyfly.com/God_Delusion.html
Search, "Moses"
I think it's in the Petale book, actually, where it (Petale) vehemently warns Billy not to falsify the 12 Gebote (recommendations, commandments, etc.) the way Moses did when he was given them.
It might be worth doing a little translation of because it's interesting and only short.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 22, 2010 - 11:58 am: |
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Hi Redbeard since Moses probably got his commandments from the over 50 laws of Hammurabi, I would say he left a few out.
"How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line.
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Elba
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:41 pm: |
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Hello Everyone! :
I read and English translation of some pages of Dekalog Dodekalog - Billy’s book, talking specifically about the Ninth Recommendation: “You shall never, never speak untrue”.
525. Human of earth,and HOW MANY TIMES do you overstep it without considering that through it you fool yourself, because of each and every one of your untrue created thoughts and each and every untrue word will be revealed to you by the delay of your path of evolution, which you bring upon yourself.
I have one first question...if somebody could explain to me better...
Are the day dreamers against this recommendation? (People who dream things that are not true …)
When I was a teen... my parents were very strict...and they rarely let me go out with friends... but in my mind I used to think/dream that I went out with my friends .. and had fun... Also in my childhood when the things were not what I liked I had my own world where I had more time to play and toys and less responsibilities’- I always hear to said “dream does not cost anything” – It’ was all wrong?
Elba |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 183
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 12:32 pm: |
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Hi Elba…
Since you say that the things you dream with are not true, you could hardly be considered delusional…
I’d say though that what one imagines is real… in one’s imagination, at least. Imagination can be a tool to build reality, but it can also be a sort of escapism. Nothing necessarily wrong with that... Daydreaming can at times even be essential to keeping one’s sanity. Just as long as the sense of reality isn’t lost by it…
The text refers to those who nurture delusions and see things through very warped lenses, for example due to religious imaginations. They are delaying their evolution because they are lying to themselves (which is no better than lying to others) and can’t see things the way they really are.
Hope this helps
David
I am a terrestrial
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Memo00
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Post Number: 425
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 03:49 pm: |
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Elba
imagination, creativity etc. Aren´t "bad". It is wrong if you can´t see the difference with reality or if you concentrate too much on it and ignore your surroundings. Without imaging things first it would be absolutely impossible to create or achieve new things. Whatever you do in life you have to think of it before doing it.
With time i have realized that imagination is related with concentration and so with meditation. To concentrate in what you are seeing in your mind with a lot of detail as if it was real requires some effort, i think it is easy as a kid because one is free of many "mental garbage" and of worries and other things. Another thing is that it is possible "to attract" things with your thoughts so its logical to think in what you want in life, of course this doesn´t mean that things will magically happen as you wish to, it is only one factor in an ocean of causes and effects.
Now about the theme of lies i think you can find some info somewhere on the forum, in short "true lies" are those that one say with the purpose of gaining some kind of advantage, to "lie" for example to save someone´s life doesn´t count as a true lie.
I hope this helps
take care |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1189
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 04:34 pm: |
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Dear Elba,
The spiritual instructions strongly recommend that we all regularly and diligently practice creating (positive) daydreams ("Wunschträumen"), so we sow, within ourselves, seeds of hoped-for ideas, so that those positive and practical ideas can then grow to reality, allowing the enormous power of thought to do it's wonderful work.
This is one of the reasons that the religions frown on this activity.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Sitkaa
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Post Number: 265
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 06:53 pm: |
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"The spiritual instructions strongly recommend that we all regularly and diligently practice creating (positive) daydreams ("Wunschträumen"), so we sow, within ourselves, seeds of hoped-for ideas, so that those positive and practical ideas can then grow to reality, allowing the enormous power of thought to do it's wonderful work."
Dyson: I would like to follow up on this. Where would I look for more references in the Meier material?
Love is always the way
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 08:00 pm: |
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Dear Sitkaa,
It's scattered throughout Billy's texts, but Macht der Gedanken (The Power of Thought) is your richest source, I think.
http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?products_id=52
Robyn can easily tell you exactly where it is in that book.
:-)
Cheers!
Dyson
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Dyson, please refrain from commenting on my scanned material. I am not the only one on this list with scans of Billy's material so, pointing to me continually is beginning to feel like harrassment. Please desist!
Robyn
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Elba
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 08:29 am: |
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Dear all :
Thank you for you comments .. and advises ..I feel better .. I wish i know german so I can read Macht der Gedanken ..yes I know !.."Learn German" .right? .
Salome
Elba |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 269
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 12:56 pm: |
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Whatever our consensuality might center upon, I appreciate your response, Dyson. Thank you. : )
Love is always the way
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Patm
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 01:36 pm: |
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"Positive" dreams or imaginations also require balancing where the negative in this case is never ment to be brought to life (effectuated) but to only exist in the inner world for analysis of effect.
From Chapter 20 of the Goblet of Truth.
27) Truly, you shall not effectuate (create) the untruthful (false/negative) in any way in yourselves and you shall not bring it into life (not live it out), rather you shall only make it imaginable (conceivable) through your insight (rationality) and sageness (intellect), thoughts and feelings so that you may have insight (recognition) of all terrible things at their root, so that you may knowingly (consciously) turn yourselves away from them before they can become effective (active).
28) Therefore it is not given through the life-giving (creational) laws and recommendations that the untruthful (false/negative) shall be effectuated (created) in yourselves and serve as a cause for a decision (effect), because truly it shall only serve as a source (means) of observation (imagination) for cognition and understanding (comprehension).
(= The untruthfulnesses [the false/negative in any form] shall not be active and not become acute and therefore not break out, but be solely and exclusively created and become conscious in the imagination for the purpose of recognising (seeing) the false and the negative in it in order to take measures against it so that it cannot gain might over human beings and therefore cannot become active inwardly or outwards, and cannot come to an upsurge.)
29) If you are undisguised (truly open) in your world of thoughts then you would like nothing better than to avoid and remove (eradicate) everything that belongs to the extent (realm) of the untruthful (false/negative), however this may only be done in such a way that all that is removed (eradicated) is what is really vigourous (active) and degenerate in the untruthful (false/negative) and is therefore lived; however the source (means) of viewing (imagining) for reaching the cognition of understanding (comprehending) may not be broken off (switched off), otherwise it will be (it will happen) that the internal whole (unity) of differentness will dissolve, by means of which people of your kind (human beings) will lose equality (identity).
-PatM |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 09:00 pm: |
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The Typed Word:
The Law of Love:
(quantum physicists call this the super-position and unified-field).
(Q): Is there an underlying truth that wants to surface within all of the posts?
Hello everyone,
I wish to express my gratitude and sense of respect for all the wisdom expressed and sometimes missed in the various posts I have been learning from.
I'm new here on the forum and would like to make a humble observation
and to make a suggestion
for our collective consideration.
The Law of Love:
When we type out our thoughts,
they are 'translated' into the forum language
as typed words. Correct?
They say the typed word is only 10% (?) of the communication. Meaning that 80 to 90% is missing.
The Law of Love:
Unlike the telepathic and clairvoyant,
we rely on the tone and hertz of the voice,
the gestures of the hands and the body language
to 'understand' where the speaker is 'coming from.'
Correct?
I myself have been guilty of this error when reading and the experience has taught the following:
(Q): Should we remember that we are only receiving a one dimensional component of the multi-dimensional signal or message?
We instinctively 'fill-in' the gap sort of speak,
of the missing 80 to 90%.
Lacking telepathy or clairvoyance,
the reader will perceive their judgment
of 'where' the writer was 'coming from'
as the tone, facial expression and body language
behind the typed word as accurate
and we forget the golden rule of
'judge not that we be not judged.'
This underlying 'truth' continues to make its attempts to surface.
The Law of Love:
When we were reviewing my life events and experiences, we came to those points in my life where I recognized I did 'wrong' - interestingly, there was no judgment or 'finger wagging' at me nor did he even say "well, yeah, that was a bad thing you did" (at this point in the review: as a kid I had stolen candy from a liquor store with some friends). Instead it was a means to bring my attention to the [+] charged and [-] charged forces that pull and push on us. I had always wondered after that, why there was no mention or view of a devil or evil spirits that 'tempted' me. No religion has been able to explain this and it has been something that, since that experience, has been this tiny little voice that makes me question certain doctrines of religions.
The Law of Love:
One thing that was shown and explained to me through the omnipotent view we shared, was that "what the mind perceives to be real ...is.
I viewed how our thoughts, actions and words have an almost immeasurable impact on everyone. Including ourselves. The invisible field that was shown to me, that connects us all; the Plejarens refer to it as The Law of Love and quantum physicists refer to it as the super-position and unified field.
I learned that we should exercise prudence and wisdom
when we are in a position to affect our fellow man.
It is neither the messenger nor the message -
it is 'how' it is received that affects our evolution
as a whole and singularly.
The Law of Love:
(Q): When reading and 'before' responding to any post, should we consider the design of the Creation?
Our evolution is a mutual and a collective phenomenon.
(( If )) our 'typed' words do not edify,
we do not edify
and we transgress against our very own
and the nature of the Creation.
Correct?
The Law of Love:
It is not a sin to be at a particular point in the evolution towards BEING-Absolutum.
Even our 'debunkers' are in the perfect point in their evolution
for us to take advantage of
and to expedite our own evolution and theirs
towards BEING-Absolutum.
In a current of free-electrons (free-electrons traveling in a specific direction), if we 'land' a charge anywhere in that current, the charge automatically rides the wave of that current and the electron becomes one with the energy.
If we 'land' an opposite charge it will swim against the current.
The Law of Love:
Should we evaluate and consider deeply
weather a typed word or statement edifies and uplifts
from the point it makes contact with the unified field (Law of Love)
before posting or responding?
- anytime any of us are negatively affected
in our 'feelings' towards ourselves
or towards someone else,
we cause an 'opposite' charge
to 'land' onto our 'current' of the Being.
The Law of Love:
Edification is that which uplifts a person
and utilizes their place in personal evolution
as a springboard to continue moving upwards
through the seven levels towards BEING-Absolutum.
In the movie 'The Secret" a woman rid her body of cancer by subjecting herself to viewing nothing but her favorite comedy for most of her waking hours.
If we would duplicate the feeling she felt when we respond to a post ...imagine that(!)
With deep respect,
Eddie |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 504
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 - 11:21 pm: |
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Hi Eddie,
What you have stated is essentially reality.
When performing an action a recording is made into the personal storage banks, hence also into the collective storage ..... akashic records.
This comprises thoughts, feelings, emotions associated with an action .... your missing 80-90%.
For some persons when reading various words there is a subconscious connect like sending out a search frequency aimed at a particular portion of the collective records which contains the subtle feeling perception related material associated with the authors state when typing the text.
Think of a computer hard drive which stores information via electromagnetic impulses. The human consciousness (mind - personality) version also stores information however this occurs on the level of and in the form of subatomic vibrations of which there are 7 levels. Principle is similar by analogy but the medium is of a finer density in comparison.
"BEAM
…Now I have still another question concerning the subatomic levels of which there are a total of seven given to me. May you tell me the names for them?
Ptaah
60. In addition I would have to transform the terms from our language into the yours, because our designations would not help you.
BEAM
Naturally.
Ptaah
61. Good.
62. For your understanding I will first tell you our designation of the different levels which I will convert literally into the German language, thus I each term the meaning of each in accordance with your language in purchase attach sub and below-subatomic levels.
63. We call the seven levels, which are called with us:
Ralin (atomic)
Kadanrali (subatomic)
Surinralin (supersubatomic)
Nanirralin (nanatomic)
Naniaralin (subnanatomic)
Liknanralin (supernanatomic)
Delralin (molar atomic)
Glanralin (Quanato mar)
BEAM
Thanks, that’s enough and it helps me."
So certainly yes there are those able make this sort of "connection" and Billy is most adept at impressing an intended message - content into his text which is why for some it is so inspiring - uplifting - resonating. The intent is apparent and conveyed as such though interpreted uniquely & individually according to many factors affecting each readers present state of consciousness & evolutionary development.
Once you are able to understand and accept yourself without self deception the rest will fall into place.
Cheers.
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Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 01:04 am: |
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Thank you Ramirez
I replied in Spiritual Teachings under Thinking and Thoughts.
 I have questions, please go there my friend; and thank you again.
Kind regards,
Eddie |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 344
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 - 01:37 am: |
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Howdy Eddie, thanks for your words on love. They inspire me to consider love anew.
What is love? Can you tell me in so many words what it does feel like?
Soft and easy,
simple,
simple,
a simple glass of water in the middle of the night,
love is everywhere,
in every action,
in every occurrence,
in every relationship that can occur.
This is why it communicates so well - it is something we can all relate to - when we choose to allow it into our awareness.
Love is always the way
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Derrick
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 11:23 am: |
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hello, Can anyone send me a link to read all of the 12 commandments? or perhaps which chapter page verses etc. in the goblet of truth where I may find them? salome Derrick |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2074
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 12:41 pm: |
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Derrick,
The 12 Commandments have been changed to the 12 Recommendations. Here is a link: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Twelve_Recommendations
Regards
Scott |
Derrick
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 01:32 pm: |
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Scott ,thank you I added that to my files. Salome Derrick |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 639
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 05:57 pm: |
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English Version:
1. You shall have no other powers and no gods, idols and saints next to Creation.
2. You shall keep holy the name of Creation and not abuse this name.
3. You shall make every day into a day of celebration and hallow it (control it).
4. You shall not break your bond with Creation, including this: You shall not commit adultery.
5. Honour Creation just as you honour, respect and love your father and mother.
6. You shall not kill in depravity.
7. You shall not rob and expropriate.
8. You shall not bear false witness against the truth, Creation and life.
9. You shall never, never speak an untruth.
10. You shall not greedily covet material wealth and your neighbour's possessions.
11. Do not curse the truth.
12. Never, never put Creation's recommendations and Creation's laws into unworthy cults.
Original German:
1. Du sollst keine anderen Mächte und keine Götter, Götzen und Heilige neben der Schöpfung haben.
2. Du sollst den Namen der Schöpfung heilig halten und ihn nicht missbrauchen.
3. Du sollst jeden Tag zum Feiertag machen und ihn heiligen (kontrollieren).
4. Du sollst nicht brechend warden im Bunde mit der Schöpfung, darin enthalten: Du sollst nicht Ehebrechen.
5. Ehre die Schöpfung, gleich wie du Vater und Mutter ehrest, achtest und liebst.
6. Du sollst nicht töten in Ausartung.
7. Du sollst nicht raubend und enteignend sein.
8. Du sollst nicht falsch zeugen wider die Wahreit, die Schöpfung und das Leben.
9. Du sollst nie und nie sprechen die Unwahrheit.
10. Du sollst nicht begehren in Habsucht nach materiellen Schätzen und dem Besitztum des Nächsten
11. Fluche nicht der Wahrheit
12. Lege die Schöpfungsgebote und Schöpfungsgesetze nie und nie in unwerte Kulte. |
Elba
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2011 - 12:52 pm: |
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Dear member of the forum : A while ago watching a tvprogram about sexology I hear an expert say that having sexual fantasies is healthy for marriages , but my question is
Are sexual fantasies ( with another partner than your spouse ) considered adultery ????
Since everything happen in thougnts and your thoughts are your might ?!
Thank you
Salome
Elba |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2017
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 01:38 am: |
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Hi Alba....
Just depends on WHAT you define as - (Having) sexual fantasies -.
You mean, in THOUGHT or in PRACTICE!??
In todays Modern Life, it does seem to Stimulate a married couple....when in
Practice; but, I have heard it can also have a Backfiring Effect, which would
dissolve the marriage. It all depends on both individuals, themselves. HOW the
cope with it all. Even, Billy mentioned it would than be up to the couple HOW
they conduct themselves in such Sexual Practices. It is what is called an -
Open Marriage -. Everybody is just Responsible for their Actions....keep in
mind.
The above mentioned would not per se be defined as Adultery, when agreements
are made; eventhough Indirectly...it may seem so.
In THOUGHT(S), this Fantasy...is a bit similar...also not directly but
Indirectly, keep in mind.
If you want more details on - Adultery - from the FIGU materials...best to
utilize the Search Engine, if you will? It was discussed in the past; or, look
it up in the TJ; which it is also explained.
Edward. |
Elba
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 03-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 06:06 pm: |
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Hello Edward and thank you for your response ! I was talking about if just " thinking" of sexual fantasies with another partner than your spouse is considered adultery ...
PD. Excusme,english is not my first language.
Salome |
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