Archive for 2007

Author Message Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 05:59 am:        Does anyone know why Billy's answers have not come, it been sometime. Jo_jo Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 04:32 pm:        Hello Junior, You post a very interesting concept, however, wouldn’t a lot of extra work fall onto yourself and the people capable of German translation, not to speak of the Figu literate people on the German forum who would have to answer the questions? The English-speaking people would then have one more reason not to learn German themselves. But I agree with your comment that the lack of Figu knowledge on this side probably discourages more good questions from being asked, because no one can answer them authoritatively…unless you want a conspiracy-tinged perspective to everything. It’s probably just better to struggle with what we have. Scott Moderator Post Number: 1077 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 08:59 pm:        Celestialbrother, It really depends on when Billy and Christian can get together. Usually this takes place once a month, but of course there can be delays, and other times they come back quite fast. Once they are returned to me, I try and post them within 24 hours if I can. Scott Junior Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 12-2004 Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 01:44 am:        Salome Jo_jo Thank you for your thoughts, for a while I thought nobody even thought of the idea or gave it any consideration, since I assumed it was an important issue, that effects everyone… One of the main reason I mentioned it is because of two things I noticed since I joined the forum.. 1. When “serious” questions get a bit complicated nobody tends to reply. 2. It seems there are many that want to translate, something. And if we were to respect Billys request to leave translations to people that have English and German as their mother tongue, then they might want to translate simpler things till some experience is gathered, lets say at least a few years of language experience and a few years of translation experience. Before even considering translating one of the books, or contact notes. I am not trying to offend any one trying to translate I just want to advise. I understand your point that it might discourage some people from learning German, but lets face it, some people have no time they have their kids and their partner to be with and probably barely find time to read the forum let alone learn a language, and some might be busy with their college or university studies and have no time for German, but they might in the future. Doing this part of the forum would not necessarily mean that a lot of people here would not need to learn the language, I don’t know if you have any experience with the German info, but if you do have some experience, there are some questions that cannot be answered simply because the person that asked the question for example doesn’t understand some basics like how does the reincarnation process work or the how the Material and the Spiritual part of the human body interact. So there are certain questions cannot be answered simply because it would take a very long time to explain the basics of some things, which would be easier if the person read a recommended book that would answer the question in detail. It was just a thought, for the people that have some serious questions but have a language barrier, another point is because Billy won’t be here forever so sooner or later we might need something similar why not start now. Salome, Badr Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 11:49 am:        Dear Junior et al, This is very well put: “ … there are some questions that cannot be answered simply because the person that asked the question for example doesn’t understand some basics .. it would take a very long time to explain the basics of some things, which would be easier if the person read a recommended book that would answer the question in detail.” Also, whereas I agree that “they might want to translate simpler things till some experience is gathered”, even this can lead to pivotal misunderstandings if even so much as one key word is poorly chosen, because the learning order is set in concrete. 1.) gain a good understanding of the FIGU material by reading Billy’s books, 2.) master English (in so far as this is possible!) 3.) then, and ONLY then, can one think of translating. It can never be done the other way around. It just does not work. I mentioned your idea to Vivienne and she and I are 100% in agreement (for a change) that the core teachings should be translated FIRST if the skill and knowledge are there, and all other material should take second precedence. I read OM and YEARN for an official translation! :-( Incidentally, neither Vivienne nor I have German as a mother tongue, nor does Billy insist that both (the source and target) languages be “mother tongues”, which would be asking a lot, since not very many people grow up in bilingual households, and – statistically – those who do often end up poor in both languages instead of ever mastering one. But I DO like your idea, Junior, of a little crosspollination from the other boards, and it seems reasonable to expect that it could be done reasonably well from time to time in certain circumstances as – perhaps – “gist” translations or paraphrasing. Cheers! Dyson Junior Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2004 Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 10:53 pm:        Hello Dyson, Nice to hear your comments about my posts again :-) hope you and Viv. are in good health. Any way, I cannot actually reference the quote of his request to leave the translations to people that master (mother tongue) both languages, but one can expect Billy not to want just any body translating… But I hope I didn’t offend you I didn’t mean to, what you are doing is great and Billy would have said something if he disagreed with you and Viv.s work. I was more referring to the people that barely know the German maybe one year of experience and want to translate, so my point is there should be a few years of language experience and some experience in translating before trying to translate FIGU material for the public (not personal), because if Billy wouldn’t care I am sure there would be more English information/books out. Well when you say “even this can lead to pivotal misunderstandings if even so much as one key word is poorly chosen,” but if they really want to translate something they can practice in this way and prove that they can translate, it can always be monitored by other, that if a mistake is made it can be corrected… I do agree that having both languages as mother tongue might not necessarily mean one is mastering both, I can only give an example of my self I know 3 languages but I don’t master all of them. So you are right about that, but one thing we can agree on is that reliable and experienced translators are preferred, the more experience with translating the better it is, plus as you said apart from the language there needs to be a good understanding about the teachings in general. Thank you again for your comments Salome, Badr Vestri Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 10:46 pm:        Hi Scott, I have a question (worry) regarding your recent forum announcement where you mentioned the scanning of key words to the related topic. People always mention many things in their posts which is not related to the topic but is related to what the are saying about the topic. There is nothing wrong with talking about something unrelated to that topic because they are using it to further discuss/elaborate or use an externel example to what they are talking about. What happens there when someone else wants to add something (small) further or ask that person a question there on something he said that was unrelated to that topic. Do we have to look for a more (?) appropiate section just to give a brief (?) reply to something that said in another section. Do we have to now fill up the forum with links to other pages? I understand this is what should be done if the discussion looks like getting derailed for a prolonged period of time to another topic of discussion, but what about when its not? Could you explain further on this please. Regarding Posting, From time to time people whom post may notice their post is not showing. This is more likely due to the fact that their post is in response to what someone else said, but in no way relates to the subject matter of the topic heading. I would suggest if you want to answer someone who has made references to something outside of the topic string, you post your answer in the correct topic area. Most people who read and post on the forum generally from what I can tell read all the current posts. So there is a higher than 50% probability your response will be noticed in the correct area and then can be responded too. I do not appreciate when someone says, please move their post to the correct area if I or the other moderators deem fit. This is not going to happen; the post will not be posted. When I scan/read the posts before submitting them to the forum, I look for key words which relate to the topic heading in someway; if I see no references generally I will not consider the post relevant for that area and it will be rejected. Thank you Scott-Moderator FIGU Forum" Scott Moderator Post Number: 1113 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 03:11 am:        Hi Vestri, Please don't worry ...The thing is, I have no way to tell, or time, when approving a post whether it is related to something someone said in the topic section or not. If you think about it, aren't we supposed to be talking about that topic not something "unrelated to that topic". I do also read the content of the post to see if it pertains, but many times people just continue to talk about something unrelated until I have to stop it. Right now there are two posts concerning "Babaji" and one for Chakras which were intended for the Translation and Meditation section and one of which is quite long. I have not posted them, because then there would be further responses to them...so you see maybe people need to limit their comments to the topic, or post them in one of the Misc. sections, which then makes it easier for everyone...and thank you for taking the time to post your comments to my announcement in the right section. Regards Scott Spaceman Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 01:48 am:        Scott, What are the moderators in this forum doing? When I posted a question with four sub topics(realted to the one topic) you said that from next time I was to post on ONE Question. But, in the current round of questions there are three questions from some new member and two from Gib... ? I ask the moderators, kindly to do justice here and 'stick' to their words. Scott Moderator Post Number: 1129 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 08:06 am:        Spaceman, I haven't got to it yet, it goes to show, no matter how many times I say this, people go right on ahead and ask a multitude of questions, maybe you can explain to me why this is? Christian Moderator Post Number: 140 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 12:08 pm:        Hi Spaceman, If you read the answers you'll see that we only answered one question per person. Spaceman Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 04:00 am:        Scott, What would you consider as one question. I don't think it should be a problem if Billy could answer about three or four questions of the same or related topic in a few words.The member Francofiori2004 has asked three questions in the particular round, all not related to the same subject, shouldn't the moderators delete two of his questions, to give space for the questions of other members? I am not blaming the moderators in the forum, but I just can't understand how they missed that. Christian Moderator Post Number: 141 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 09:59 am:        We can either delete all postings which contain more than one question, or I will see to it that Billy only answers one question from a person. What we don't want to do is to edit the postings. People should read the forum regulations before writing a question (if they do so they will read that one question per person is allowed). Btw: It would be appreciated if questions are asked that have some benefit for the personal evolution, what isn't the case if, e.g., people are asking whether the P's have five or six toes on their feet, of whether planet xy is yellowish-green or yellowish-blue, etc. etc. Tony Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 02:29 pm:        Hi Christian, what about when some people often ask Billy two short 'yes' or 'no' questions? Will that still be allowed. Scott Moderator Post Number: 1135 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 09:03 pm:        There were two people, who posted twice, those extra posts have been removed. They were both new members. Christian makes a good point concerning the content of the questions. Spaceman Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 02:14 am:        I can't understand this. Would Billy have a problem answering three or four short (about few words each) questions per person per round? If we can only as just one question to get a yes or no after a month, then this process is real slow. Christian Moderator Post Number: 142 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 09:06 am:        Billy wouldn't have a problem, but we have rules to treat all forum users equally. It is up to everyone to ask questions in a form that the answer may be more than just a Yes or No. Besides: if three or four questions are allowed, there will be people who will be asking five or six etc. questions that are needing answers of "about a few words each". Thomas Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 11:00 am:        Christian, I was just curious, and not complaining, but why do we get such short answers from Billy when he gives his answers in german and he gives such extensive answers in the bulletins? I understand that the answers wouldn't be that long, but he doesn't seem to ever give us the same detail that he gives in the bulletin. If this is just a matter of workload on you as the translator, the answers could be given at more length in german and I or someone else could translate the written german into english and you could verify the content. What do you think of this idea? Christian Moderator Post Number: 143 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 11:36 am:        Depending of the content of the questions Billy's answer can be really yes or no. You cannot compare Billy's answers in the bulletin with those when I present him the questions from the forum. I am making handwritten notes and will then present his answers in a condensed form. Btw: Billy has started to edit transcripts from our talks (based on disc recordings which had been typed down by our CG49 member Andrea). The neutralized (without original names) questions/answers will be published sometimes in the future (in German). In the meantime the English speaking forum visitors/members will have to be content with the present form of answers typed down by me. Anday727 Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 11:35 am:        Christian have right. Some people here don't understand the privilege of having the opportunity to ask Billy the question. Some of them ask the same questions again and again, simply because they are lazy to find the answers in the forum‘s archives. How about to give the chance to someone else here on forum, to ask a question? I did just that, and have skipped last few rounds of questions for that reason. Salome, Dejan Tony Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 02:51 pm:        I agree with Dejan. Lets make the most out of this great privileged in asking Billy questions. Just an idea. What about in future if the Billy answered questions section was allowed to stay opened for a couple of weeks instead of two days, which allowed a lot more questions to be asked. When it closed then Scott or Christian could choose the best questions asked out of that lot to put through to billy. The number of questions that get put to Billy would still be the same amount as before, but are a lot better questions, and also are with no wastage of people asking the same or similar questions as already answered or put to Billy previously. Doing this would ensure that in future we (all) get a lot more out of this privileged benefit offered to us by Figu/Billy. Thomas Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 03:15 pm:        Thanks Christian. I appreciate the answers that we do get through you from Billy. It is just a shame that the english forum is not as productive as the german one. Whenever someone asks a reasonable question over there, either Hans or Stephan, or another moderator promptly answers the question as soon as possible. I know that on the english forum, we don't have the luxury/benefit of multiple FIGU core group moderators so I understand why it doesn't work that way here. Nonetheless, as I said, I do appreciate your efforts on our behalf... Scott Moderator Post Number: 1141 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 05:27 pm:        Hello, Looks like the German FIGU Website may have a new look in the next week or two, if everything is worked out. Don't know if the English will also receive the same?, apparently the forums will remain the same according to Stephan...Here is a screen shot: i The_future Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2007 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 05:55 pm:        The look is corporate-institutional, but much better. What's with the flag? Is FIGU now a nation-state? Kingman Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 09:38 pm:        Tony has a great idea for increasing the value of Billy's gift to the world. Allowing more time for questions to build up and picking the top twenty or so for Billy to answer is definitely one of the best suggestions to be submitted here. I haven't been able to post questions due to my limited time I'm able to access the internet. I seem to be off set to the periods when questions are being accepted and this would allow me a chance to at least be in the running for a response from Billy. The more I understand what it is we are given the opportunity to ask, the more I reach deeper into myself and discover who I am and where I need to go for my spirit to grow. I truly can sense the weakness in my spiritual self anytime I am given the timely opportunity to search within and discover the blank/emptyness that society makes you cover over and hide from. I also realize some of us will be even less spiritually complete and will need questions answered that can be much simpler than other more advanced spiritual needs. Maybe a selection from newer members could be made separately, under a less stringent formula. This is starting to sound like more work for the moderators. There's a solution in there somewhere. a friend in america Shawn Christian Moderator Post Number: 144 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 02:15 am:        The flag is simply displaying FIGU's logo. Of course it is not (never!) FIGU's intention to become a state within a state. I have to add the information that the design of the English part of FIGU's website is also under construction. This work is done by members of the FIGU Society USA who will care for and maintain the English website in the future. It is planned that both the "new" German and English websites will be online in mid-May. Christian Moderator Post Number: 145 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 02:25 am:        Tony's idea is not feasible, because it would be my responsibility to decide which question is valuable enough to be presented to Billy. I am not willing to take this responsibility, because it would be unfair to those persons who were asking "non-intelligent" or "sensless" or "non-important" questions. Since each person is on a different step of personal evolution, each person has different views of what's important to know for that person. It wouldn't make sense, therefore, to skip a "simplistic" question that probably would be interesting to be answered for many readers, in favour of a question that seems very intelligent, but has been asked primarily to display the "intelligence" (read: ego) of the asking person. I'd say we keep the present rules. Christian Moderator Post Number: 146 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 02:57 am:        Contrary to the German forum where we have several moderators from the Core Group, I am the only Core Group member who is moderator in the English forum. Since my time is very limited due to a wide variety of tasks etc., I simply cannot read all postings in the English part. (We moderators are doing our "Mission work" in our spare time that is left besides profession/job, familiy/partnership and sleep.) The moderation of the English forum is mainly done by Scott Baxter, and we (FIGU Switzerland) are very much obliged to him for his time-consuming great work! He really does read ALL postings and then has to decide about a yes or no regarding publication. However, we are working on finding help for Scott, and I think we will be successful. Since FIGU members who are skilled both in English and German may be counted on one hand (as you may see from my postings and sentence structure, I am also not an expert in English), and since those persons are already involved in several other tasks, there remains no other solution for the forum readers to have understanding about our situation. (Well, there would be another solution, but...) Alan Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 02:25 pm:        what about if it were left up to the forum members to decide which lot of questions should be chosen to put to Billy. All the questions could be posted in a new different section where they could be voted on by people with the voting system. The winners could then be selected and moved over to the Billy answered questions section. If someone who's question missed the cut, feels their question had value in it and should have been submitted to Billy, they can take/hold it up for discussion in miscellenous section with other forum members, and explain and give their reasons why they think their question should have merritt to be submitted in the next lot of questions to Billy. I like the idea because there is a lot of wastage, and a lot of (simple) questions being put to Billy could easily be answered by others at this forum. I like the idea of making the most of this rare opportunity in asking Billy questions. Vestri Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 02:52 pm:        Christian, speaking of being fair to all people here and leaving the system how it is now. I don't agree it is fair. I don't think its fair to others who have good questions for Billy to miss out because there are some lazy people here (too lazy to read through the archives) that are still posting in similar or same questions to Billy as has been asked before. Also there are (lazy) people who put questions in to Billy that Billy has answered in the contact notes too. (found at figu or Gaiaguysnet) Why should it be looked at as being 'fair' to these (lazy, unfair) people? Tony Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 03:22 pm:        "The moderation of the English forum is mainly done by Scott Baxter, and we (FIGU Switzerland) are very much obliged to him for his time-consuming great work! He really does read ALL postings and then has to decide about a yes or no regarding publication." I agree Christian. One of the things I like about Scott's great work as moderator here is how he check's in here a few times a day to allow posts to go through. If we had someone else here as moderator, instead of Scott, they may only have enough time to do that for us, just after their daytime job for instance, and that wouldn't be good if people's posts built up too much. Scott is doing a great job in all aspects! Scott Moderator Post Number: 1143 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 04:07 pm:        Thank you. Matt Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2006 Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 07:09 pm:        The forum voting system can be corrupted by all the low life people that lurk in the shadows of this board, as has happened in the past. Markc Member Post Number: 484 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 12:44 am:        Vestri ; I will answer your question since you asked it more than once . It has already been decided to keep the forum question and answer structure as it is , for the exact reasons that he gave you . Standing up and objecting about it really is bad form , since you have already read that besides his many other duties in life , sleep is yet another duty . Having to combat someone's objections repeatedly is not something that I forsee Christian Frehner wasting his time with , although I may be wrong . The other aspect of my interceding with my " answer" ( that's right , you did not ask me , but here it is anyway) is that if you want everything to become moderated and formed by a vote system , as to what will or will not happen , you can go to another similar forum and attempt a coup there . The sentiment I'm sure , remains as a " thanks for asking , but also thanks for not asking again " . This is just the way it is , and I only chose to attempt to make it clear . MC Mark Campbell Vestri Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 10:25 pm:        Mark, I said it twice because i thought it was "worth" it. No harm in trying. Also the main reason Christian was against it was him having to be one to choose which posts to pick. But is that good reason enough to abolish the idea? I don't think so, because it doesn't have to him anyway, there are other ways it can be done. Where there is a will, there is a way. Do you think it would be better (more value) for all if that new questions system was allowed? (think of all future poeple that will look back on and read billys answers) Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2007 Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 08:36 pm:        An alternative solution to the “Ask Billy” redundancy issue would be to create a “Ask Billy Test Area,” somewhat like the Test Area for new posters. Here’s how it would work: A new heading would be created (separate from the actual “Ask Billy” section) where people who are relatively new would voluntarily post their question here first. And the “veterans” would voluntarily check in on them. If a round has passed and no one on the forum has responded that they recognize it as either a previously asked question OR that it can be found in other FIGU material, then that is an implied green light that you are “redundancy free”. You can then proceed to post it for real in the next round of “Ask Billy.” The responses should be kept simple like “Asked and answered” or “This can be found in FIGU bulletin number so-and-so.” The amount of information you choose to give is entirely up to you but it is best to keep it simple. You just want to convey the idea that it is indeed “redundant.” Or that it’s not. This would be different from the, “Questions To Billy Answered By Ourselves,” where strings and thoughts would be pursued. Speaking for myself, I would appreciate the opportunity to bounce my questions off of “veterans” before I bothered Billy with them. And I know that others would, too! And since it’s strictly voluntary - it would be a great way to share responsibility and develop esprit de corps! Regards Bob Markc Member Post Number: 485 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 12:56 pm:        Hi Phi ; There is already a "Questions to Billy answered by ourselves" section . So your idea really is sound . MC Hi Markc, There "was" a Questions to Billy, answered by ourselves section, but it was not used for anything close to what its intended purpose was initially. It is closed at this time. Scott Mark Campbell Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 759 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 07:53 pm:        Dear Scott, et al, The prophet teaches us that the most difficult and important lesson for Earth humans is to come to terms with “werden und vergehen” roughly meaning: coming into, and passing out of, existence. I cannot continue like this on the forum, so I quit. Nothing personal. Your sole fellow forum moderator, Christian, who FIGU has reportedly put in charge of the English language component of the mission, declared here on the forum, after our most recent troubles, that he does not read all the postings. You also stated that you do not read all the postings. Christian – evidently because he did not read this posting of yours – stated that you do indeed read every single posting, are doing a great job, have to decide what to post and what to reject, etc. etc., whereas you yourself freely admit the obvious that the forum is badly corrupted with uncorrected lies, uncorrected untruths, uncorrected misunderstandings, uncorrected distortions, and so on and so forth. You reiterated that your lack of ability/familiarity with the German language precludes an adequate understanding of the material which requires moderation, but competent assistance was not sought because “too many cooks ….”. But you also assure our readers that if a posting is not pertinent to the title of the thread to which it is posted that you will not publish it. What this all boils down to is a chain of responsibility which quite logically leads people who don’t know the German language material (which is almost everybody on the English language forum, of course) to erroneously think/believe that - as a salient example – Randy Arena’s most recent posting of an Earth orbital spacecraft graphic entitled “The Zeta Reticuli Incident” on your “Mission – Miscellaneous” thread, has your approval as being in line with FIGU’s material. Because you have given your OK to Randy, and Christian has given his to you and Billy has given his to Christian, it is quite reasonable and logical for the thousands of readers of the FIGU English language forum to think that Randy Arena’s posting about Zeta Reticuli is actually part of the Billy Meier contacts material. Maybe it is. I have not committed it all to memory. But I’m not aware of it in the context of Randy’s unreferenced and unexplained incident with near-Earth spacecraft. This is not an extreme example, but merely represents the last (small and subtle) straw. Let’s say it is a typical example. You know, dear Scott, that I work very hard and try very hard to help the mission in general and the English-speaking word’s inadequate understanding of it in particular. You also know that this extends beyond the forum to - for instance, at the moment – trying to iron out some of the more egregious errors of fact (for whatever reason) newly being sold as a result of Wendelle Steven’s heroic work thirty years ago - and doing translations of the FIGU German language Bulletins (in the current absence of English language ones from them) - and upcoming translations for Michael’s documentary, etc. But FIGU still remains only a component of our other lonely work to expose the bloodthirsty 666 rulers, at enormous expense of our time and energy. We are told that we can recognize and understand the laws of Creation by observing nature. If your ship is infested with vermin, it is not prudent to neglect your continual diligent extermination efforts, because you will ultimately find your vessel overrun, your food stores irretrievably contaminated by cockroaches, rat urine and feces and your electrical wiring chewed through. But circumstances can also arise where – in spite of your very best efforts - an infestation becomes so serious that there is no alternative but to abandon ship. With all of the above in mind, I think the best thing for me to do with my limited time is to turn my attention away from the English language FIGU discussion forum and – if I may introduce a more ancient metaphor - spend my time trying to sow seeds of truth in an area less likely to be suffocated with weeds. I don’t do this lightly, nor as a result of emotion, but as a coldly logical decision which I think will ultimately be best for the mission and its objectives, which I intend to continue to support to the best of my limited ability in other ways. Cheers (as ever) everybody, and all the best to those of you who strive to strive to seek the truth. Salome, Dyson Scott Moderator Post Number: 1175 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 09:23 pm:        Hi Dyson, Coming in the first part of May, a new Moderator, who reads German will be voted on by the core group. I don't understand the reason for Randys insertion of the image you are referring to. Perhaps he or someone can point out the significance. At times I will let something come through which I don't know the relevance of, but at some point someone may be able to interpret or understand for the rest of us. I will have to say, there are things which I reject that you do not know about. There was an application recently from someone, who stirred up much discontent last year. I considered it for one nano second, and thought no way am I going to subject everyone to the chaos, which this individual introduced. I rejected another post from someone who was attempting to post in the skeptics corner, which contained many insults and inflammatory statements and crude language...needless to say, perhaps this additional person will aid me in my attempt to keep things on some sort of track....sorry to see you go. Kind Regards Scott Matt Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 04-2006 Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 10:29 pm:        If your ship is infested with vermin, it is not prudent to neglect your continual diligent extermination efforts, because you will ultimately find your vessel overrun, your food stores irretrievably contaminated by cockroaches, rat urine and feces and your electrical wiring chewed through. But circumstances can also arise where – in spite of your very best efforts - an infestation becomes so serious that there is no alternative but to abandon ship. Abandon the ship (figu discussion forum) just because some people are posting misinterpretations and untrue material? Sorry but I don't agree that is the right thing to do. Thats like saying that Billy should have abandoned the mission simply because the Earth is infested with vermin. Dyson, I hope you reconsider your decision to quit because YOUR presence here IS helping everyone that reads this english forum and the mission too. Kingman Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 11:01 pm:        Matt, Dyson is not by any means abandoning the Mission. He is( in my interpretation ) redirecting his limited energy towards what will best use that energy towards what he interprets the Mission to be. As Immanuel let be known, paraphrasing of course, " If the person your trying to enlighten to the truth is not truly receptive towards your messages of the Creative truths, wash your feet of this person and remove yourself to someone who is responsive to this eternal truth." Now my wording is completely my own, mainly because I don't have the time to dig out the exact wording, but the idea is the same. In each incarnation we are limited on our time alive, so finding our previous understanding of Creational truth and picking up where we left off must be extremely difficult for the spirit. Each personality our spirit becomes must be able to discover that path back to that eternal truth. When weighed against what most everyone must endure in the smaller world of living, Dyson has endured and given us an immeasurable amount of translated truth in the greater world of thought. The ability to understand what Billy is delivering to Earth humans(understood to be for the last time) cannot be comprehended by someone who is always having the statements converted to a baby-sized feeding. These people are being fed, but are not being taught how to feed themselves. Dyson, in my mind, will be better able to spread the teachings in a format best created by himself( as well as his partner Vivian's). There is a point that we all reach when being involved in any subject, where we peak out in our ability to expand and grow. It's not to say we've gained all the knowledge that subject contains. It says that the method being used has performed as much as it can and can only recycle what it is best suited for. I could say much more regarding Dyson moving on, but I really am surprised he stuck it out this long. How many times must he point out things that are constant characteristics of something or someone before frustration sets in. I think if you take my last statement and reverse engineer how that happens you may start to form an idea that what became his final response was the goal of some agenda. To stop the growth of anything, the source must be extinguished. Since Billy is to fast and wise to be killed with forced actions, the next best thing would be to dismantle what stems from his teachings. Some of these things are actual people. As they( those who wish to destroy the truth of creation) aim at the people Billy inspires, little do they comprehend the true strength that this knowledge brings the targeted. If you attempt to destroy a path to the Creational Truth, what can result is a new avenue even better to persevere the agenda to stop the growth of truth. But it is only valuable at this point on Earth if the diluting attempts are no longer able to stop the reality of the Creations truths. These attempts at dilution are the focal points for his guarding of the truth. I am leery of those who belittle his effort. The critical thinking of some who are prone to tying up Dysons limited time, have either been poorly exercising their thinking, or what they post has been precisely designed. This next sentence is a general statement towards all who read this... If you think I direct any of what I state at you personally, then it's time to step up critical thinking on your part, because your coming up short in that department. Dyson, thank you, thank you, Shawn a friend in america Shawn Newinitiation Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 01:02 am:        Dear Dyson It came as an unexpectedly surprising sad news to me Dyson in your post 759, of your intentions thus spoken. I am regrettably resigned to the fact that the decision is solely yours to make and nobody else's whether you continue here or not, although having thought about it, if its the best thing for you to do, then there is nothing I nor anybody else can say will change your mind. Of course like all things such as the indescribably beautiful cherry blossoms that shows its magnificence only for the very short duration of time, It does not disappoint those who anticipate the next seasons marvelous blossoming with much eager and anticipation, I will await, just like those who love the cherry blossom for your eventual return to once again radiate its magnificent beauty from your slumber. I believe in the wisdom of you Dyson who will not burn bridges in haste. I will also believe in your high intellect to have considered that all things must change in the course of time hopefully for the better, even more so of those striving to seek the truth here no matter what our limitations are, for why would it not be laudable to have at least strived and failed then to have not strived at all, thus when things are fertile again for your eventual return, I will look out for the sign. I pay tribute to you for the enormous good that you've done for all of us here and I believe in the providence of your presence here that was meant to be. In the mean time, those of us who must do without your presence here have become the hatchlings that now must leave the nest and spread its own wings. Thanks sincerely friend for being you, although nobody is perfect, you have shown us the way forward like the fearless general marching in front of the pack despite stray bullets whizzing past here and there, you stood your ground and you stayed firm. :-) :=-( cheers Matt Tony Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 01-2006 Posted on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 10:27 pm:        Lets hope Dyson still has enough time up his sleeve to pop in and help us out every now and then. Many thanks Dyson for all the past (and future) help you've kindly given us here on this forum, and also through your website too. Truthseeker Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 04:46 pm:        Greetings Scott, I've been thinking, perhaps we should have a topic string for "Questions to think about for Billy Meier", where people can post all the questions they have in mind for Billy and then people can choose or pick the best ones for themselves which we may want to ask Billy in the other "Questions for Billy-answered" topic. This will not only allow people to think of better questions to ask, but also feel not so rushed when the opportunity arises. This will also allow other people to ask other questions which we may not be able to ask ourselves at the time, because of the "one question per person to Billy a month rule". Let's do it! James Truthseeker Scott Moderator Post Number: 1187 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 05:44 pm:        Hi James, The thing is, inevitably, this will become another discussion area, when there are enough as it is, in my opinion. When the area "Questions to Billy Answered By Ourselves" was open, it became confusing and a free for all. As it is now, it is even hard to keep people at one question to Billy at a time when the section is open. There have been occasions when people will go ahead and ask the same question to Billy, when it has been asked before, or the answer is on the main FIGU Website, or has been discussed before...so you can see my reluctance...I'm open to suggestions, if I think it will simplify things and keep people from posting all over the place. I appreciate the suggestion, and if you have any other ideas which you think can be implemented please let me know....BTW James, your writing has improved considerably,, Good Going! Regards Scott Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 06:47 pm:        Hi Board: This is the second times our friend from "down under" leaves this board. I am 100% he still reads this board, as smart people are also generally very curious... So Dyson, here is a link as my farewell gift for your website http://www.orionspace.de/ww/de/pub/home.htm The Orion space patrol german TV series! Features! 1 - spaceships resemble the earth spaceship of the future (per contact note 39) 2 - no more wars 3 - bottom of seas developed as living space(!) 4 - outer space colonies 5- mad scientists (!!) 6 - crazy robots (!!!) 7 - they all speak the earth language of the future (!!!!) 8 - there is even a glossary with approximate english translations (sounds familiar? !!!!!) Auf wiedersehen. Eric Truthseeker Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 12:36 am:        Greetings Eric, I think it would have been much more fitting to post you comment under Time Travel which you can find there under General Area » FIGU Related » Miscellaneous » Time Travel. If you do that and re-post again there, or if Scott can move you're post and this one along with it there, then I'll post for you some really cool interesting things and links I've found in the last few years in relation to this German sci-fi TV show. Please re-post or move your comment to Time Travel. James Truthseeker Truthseeker Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 01:28 am:        Greetings again Scott, Thanks for the compliment, I find I can type easier these days with my screen resolution not so high so I can actually read better the words I type, although I still have difficulty if I'm feeling fatigue. But going back to what I was originally going to say; I've found in the last few years that a lot of new people who have come on the forum here, have not studied much of the FIGU and Meier related material, so I think the best thing to do is to introduce an "introductory on-line FIGU course" first before allowing people to post here. I know myself I made it a point to study and read as much as I could find before coming in here about 7 years ago, so you can imagine my disappointment when I eventually realized how much of the Steven's material is now quite outdated. Anyway, I've thought of this often before because what most general people don't seem to realize is that Billy Meier is more then just a UFO contactee who has taken photos of beam-ships and given prophesies, he is a new school of thought for us Earth human beings. I bet if a few people here get together and work on this idea, then they can really make it happen and come up with something really good. Maybe have it it 7 levels with 49 questions for each level in the end, so that newbies can take the time to go though FIGU's website to find and research the answers for themselves. Included in this, is of course often repeated questions that people are asking Billy, like I've seen regarding "Time Travel" and other related topics, which in some cases Billy may not even know himself, like that relating to a question just recently re-asked regarding the Mormons, which Billy may or may not know by now since I asked it a few years back. An "Introductory on-line FIGU course" for newbies may include; The Plejaren's, Time Travel, Billy's history, prophecies, overpopulation, and what ever else we have a topic here for. Then I think we'll all see a big difference. James Truthseeker Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2007 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 11:04 am:        To Badr and Scott, Several times now while reading archived postings, I’ve encountered references to a "Dictionary of Terms" section under General Area. Here are two examples: Would you be kind enough to put definitions on all the mortal and immortal parts that compose a human being in the "General Area: Dictionary Of Terms"? As far as I know the Psyche is located in the chest area - midway between the breasts. Andrew provided a definition for us of "Psyche" under the section "Dictionary of Terms" on Aug 21, 2000. Assuming this section actually did exist, is there a chance that it could be re-posted? I can see where Jakobyn and a few others posted some definitions in measured packets scattered throughout the archives, but I should think a centralized lexicon a more valuable asset to effective dialogue given the dynamics of this forum. I noticed, also, that there was a re-organization of the forum structure in ‘02 due to limited disc space on the server. I hope it was not a case of the baby being thrown out with the bathwater. Regards Bob PS- Badr, your additional help in moderating this forum is greatly appreciated. Though I’m sure not as much as by Scott! Badr Moderator Post Number: 165 Registered: 12-2004 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 11:50 am:        Dear Bob, Thank you and to all the other members (Matt, Hector, Markc… etc) for your kind words/thoughts, I am really just doing what feels right. I will check with Scott about your suggestion, since I wasn’t here from the start I might have missed a couple of things, but I will see if there are any reasons why such a section wouldn’t be created again. And one other thing I wish to add but since its not appropriate here I will continue in FIGU's Discussion Board » The Planet Earth » The Human Body » The Body Salome, Badr Scott Moderator Post Number: 1193 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 03:02 pm:        Hello, At this point the only dictionary of terms I am aware of is in the Spiritual Teachings, under Spiritual Terminology. In the earlier times of the forum, I did print out numerous posts from Andrew regarding various definitions, but at this time I am unable to locate them...so possibly there was was a rough list put together, but it was pulled at some point. Badr, your doing just fine, thank you again for you contributions. Regards Scott Truthseeker Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 03:48 pm:        Just to let you know there appears to be a problem with the search option. Meaning you can't just search the site for a single world, because it also searches out the same word in parts of larger words and if that was not bad enough, it doesn't allow the option of searching for 2 words set beside each other. like say if you type in the words Time Travel, you suddenly get over 1000 word locations of Time and then Travel. If you type in a simple world like An, then you get like over 1000 word locations of An in parts of words. Also I take it Badr, is a FIGU passive member to be a moderator here, correct? -James Truthseeker Scott Moderator Post Number: 1196 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 07:21 pm:        Hi James, Yes, Badr is a Passive Member. From my experience most search engines perform the same way more or less. Possibly the searches could be refined, but I don't believe the software supports that feature. Regards Scott Indi Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 08:03 pm:        Meaning you can't just search the site for a single world, because it also searches out the same word in parts of larger words and if that was not bad enough, it doesn't allow the option of searching for 2 words set beside each other. like say if you type in the words Time Travel, you suddenly get over 1000 word locations of Time and then Travel. If you type in a simple world like An, then you get like over 1000 word locations of An in parts of words. Hi James Maybe you could look a little more closely at the search engine -- you will find that you can do a single word search, just by clicking on the appropriate box (partial or whole) and if you want to narrow the search down to posts that contain Time and Travel, you just choose in the first box 'And' instead of or, and then you will only get 174 results -- from these it is easy to see which ones have both words next to eachother. You can even do a case sensitive search and you can choose where you look, subject line, text of message or authors -- so, I think it is quite a flexible search engine. in peace Robjna Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 03-2007 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 08:46 pm:        Jakes: “Truly a very sad exposition on the state of Dyson’s mental health.” The real question before us, Jakes, is just what level of integrity does this forum wish to maintain. Not the state of Dyson’s mental health. He sounds quite lucid to me. Perhaps it’s his passion for the truth that you find disturbing. If the questions raised by Dyson regarding Randy’s motivations are not even “possibilities” to you, then you simply have not done your “due diligence” on the subject. And it’s very obvious to those who have. Jakes: “But I’m also trying to see things as they really are and not trying to envision problems where they don’t exist. Neutral-positive.” We are ALL trying to see things as they really are. That’s the point. Regards Bob Jakes Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 11:51 pm:        Phil, In my opinion, much worse has been passed off on this forum than the words of Randy Arena. I just don't like seeing the lynch-mob piling on an individual the alpha-dog has singled out as offensive. Like Michael Horn indicated in one of his emails, what if he comes back with the opinion, after personally meeting and spending time with Randy, that he just doesn't see in the man the mendacious motives that have been ascribed to him? What of the opinions of others out at the center that have a chance to meet him, including possibly Christian Frehner? Pretty ballsy (and stupid) of the guy to go out there fully announced (unlike Kal Korff) and risk being called-out as an MK Ultra operative by the most spiritually advanced man in all of existence. As pedestrian as it might seem, I see this "problem on the FIGU discussion forum" as a personality conflict/power struggle, to which I would suggest: stop the nonsense. Thomas Member Post Number: 266 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 11:59 pm:        In regards to the structure and content of this forum, I think we should stick to the teachings and events of FIGU and other things that relate to that since this is the FIGU forum. Whether your opinions of Dyson are positive or negative, this is not the "Dyson Show" so let's concentrate on the learning and constructive posts rather than going over something irrelevant to us. Unless you directly know Dyson, then his life is not your business, especially since he is no longer a forum member by his own choice. Just the truth as I see it... Jakes Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2006 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:07 am:        I don't mean to denigrate the value of the FIGU English discussion forum, especially the section that pertains to Billy answering our questions. But what will be its signifigance if WWIII breaks outs, runs its course of 3 years, 11 months, followed by another 11 years of plagues and hunger? Amidst all that suffering, will the FIGU servers survive and the internet still be functioning? Doubtful. The only thing that will survive will be the German language books. As much as I enjoy and appreciate the content of the forum, it will never supercede the German language books. Newinitiation Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:12 am:        Dear Jakes Jakes why are you ignoring the damage incurred by Dyson from Randy's deception, especially regarding e-mails to Wendelle and Michael. If someone is as audacious in pulling off such actions, then whats to prevent him from wearing a multi layered mask to hide behind and put on his nice guy posturing with a warm smile when he greets the people at FIGU. Sure they are astute and discerning bunch of people to be taken in by a poseur but I am sure they are much more forgiving people who aren't exactly going to get the hammer out and beat Randy over the head with it. The fact of the matter is the fact of the matter and what is contained in those posts of Dyson may even be half the story as Dyson did say that Randy said much more than he mentioned on the post. Now the crucial aspect of the posts I believe should not be lost in light of whats in it. There are people amongst this group that don't have the best interest at heart. We must get these monkeys off our backs if we are to make some progress here. Just who they really are remains to be seen as now, every individual members including myself will not be immune from suspicion. But I take it that people will be discerning enough not to judge falsely. For surely if intent and motive is anything to go by, one cannot hide too long no matter whether he be a genius for the incongruity and the inconsistencies will be apparent over time which cannot be hidden from the powers of the spiritual intellectual discernment. So in saying this, it necessitates further discussion of Dyson's recent articles and posts if we are to extirpate the rot that has been fermenting here for some time and thereby to borrow the words from one of our former Democrat leaders 'Lets keep the bastards honest' and do some much needed house cleaning here. of course these are my views and sentiments that does not necessarily reflect the FIGU literature. cheers Matt Newinitiation Member Post Number: 575 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 05:50 am:        Dear forum On another issue regarding Randy People mistakenly thinking that this is some witch hunt against Randy for no good reason other than wanting a few heads rolling irrespective of whether they are guilty or not is definitely out of the loop on this matter. We are judged by the deeds and the actions that we perform. Those actions includes the type and nature of what we think about and how we think expressed here. Be they of illogical and degenerate in nature and what is against the laws of Creation, those that know better albeit on a moralistic and ethical basis should not refrain from making judgements. Afterall, whomever's conscience it is tested to, the answers will most likely be similar even if its a distant ringing within one's conscience, the sense of right and wrong is a universal human trait. Having said this, we the students of the teachings have an inadequate knowledge of the spiritual teachings which are yet inaccessible to most of the English language students until at such time that they have mastered the German language, so our capacity to judge according to the laws of Creation will always be limited and incomplete. Therefore I take on board such persons as Dyson's insight, understanding, views and knowledge with high regard because he has learnt and read all the openly published FIGU books and made the hard effort to clarifying it and living his life based on the teachings. Suffice to say, I would add the disclaimer that Dyson's understanding and knowledge would not be perfect of course but still it would be way above most of us English speakers. So why not heed some of his advice and learn from his reaction. This ridiculous notion that Dyson is a wannabe alpha dog with the rest of us that do support his judgement jumping on the bandwagon like a pack of mindless herds does leave a bitter taste in that such mud thrown around does stick if repeated often enough. Remember Goebbels statement? I gather that in agreement with Dyson's proposal in some ways, it's not a bad idea to pursue. Although my reservations are with various security issues. Seeing as we don't live in an ivory tower and have friends, family, acquaintances and associates in our circle of life, if through guilt by association, they for some reason were adversely effected by our activities, unbeknownst to them, then this in my opinion is grossly irresponsible. We also have to take into account those around us who may also be affected by our decisions. Of course Dyson's suggestions are not end all be all, afterall they are just suggestions that if considered, can improve this forum in some positive ways that members can decide by a vote with the moderators to either take up, improve upon or discard it. Since the moderators have our birth dates, address, full name, our e-mail etc, why not let them verify the authenticity and genuineness of each members through a telephone exchange by requesting our numbers which they'll keep confidential. They can ask all sorts of questions about our contribution and reverse charge the call. They can record the conversation and ring anonymously at whatever time within reason suits them and as long as its within acceptable hours. That way they can maintain close vigilance without encroaching on the privacies of people. Of course this isn't foolproof either and it is only a suggestion. Whether its worth all the time, expense and commitment is up to the moderators to decide. Otherwise everything will just chug along and remain as they are for the better or for the worse. These views are my own and my opinions that does not necessarily reflect the FIGU literature. cheers Matt Hector Member Post Number: 267 Registered: 04-2006 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 06:57 am:        I woudnt like to comment anything not related to FIGU.As Thomas fairly says, as Dyson has freely chosen not to contribute with his opinions here, concentrating on the vital translations, we should skip commenting conversations not featured here. Anyway I do not understand why private emails have been made public. Private matters must remain private matters.When you post here, you authorize to make it public.When you write an email, you don't. By publishing that email exchange this forum has been turned into a battlefield.(Again).What do people gain with such flame fueling? Lets see if next SB adresses this problem.If not, then its obvious: The plejaren and Figu do O.K the forum management.So please micromanagers of the forum stop conspiring. Best regards. Scott Moderator Post Number: 1201 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 10:16 am:        No more posts will be accepted regarding this issue, unless they relate to the FIGU Forum Structure. Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 05:16 pm:        Christian, Badr, Scott: Congratulations for your decision to clean up this board It's about time people working from the secret services under false identities are banned for this board. Hope you will prevent similar situations in the future. Salome Truthseeker Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:54 pm:        Hey if the forum moderators here want to get to know me more as a person, then by all means sure.

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