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    Kingman Member Post Number: 583 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ed Hunter, "I am a poor stupid man...". All the more reason one should study, study, study. This will save you from asking so many unnecessary inquiries. You'll become rich in knowledge you can use to ask those gnashing questions tearing you apart. Your replies foretell you've not deeply pondered much of what's available for those who are truly, 'Pathfinding'. You stated this, "I studied and familairaized myself..." Did you? I ask because it doesn't show. You state this also, "If you don't like being questioned, than don't read any posts with my name on them and that will solve your problem point blank." The non-neutral/positive approach again gives away the fact no deep thought into contemplating what is available here has been honestly attempted. If you can't grasp the idea people here are trying to help, not finger you as a 'problem', you are a sailor without a ship and shall go nowhere as such. I have only watched as you continue to proclaim others here, this or that, and thoroughly refuse to look into your education of this indescribably meaningful knowledge. Like I said, it shows. You will figure it out in one of your lifetimes eventually, as we all will as well. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 474 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Pathfinder i think you do not understand the basics. Your false teachings/ prejudices push you to think that other people have to provide you with all kind of answers in order to understand the world you live in. Hey man. What do you think evolution is all about...... Its YOU who has to make an INDIVIDUAL effort in order to understand, to grasp the difficulties of the world you live in! Many respectable forum members have tried to answer your questions but you never gave them enough credit because their answers never fitted your preconceived mind. (The famous brickwall) You have never made an individual effort to find out things for yourself. In this regard i can label you as a lazy man. Again, the Law of Evolution implies that lazy individuals are not fit to survive. Intellectual Evolution means pushing your consciousness forward. Again, this an individual task and nobody else can do it for you. | ||
Bronzedesk New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2009 |
I apologize if this has been asked before but here goes.. Semyaza/Shemyazaza Just who, where, what, when and why, good or bad guy, loved or hated! | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2008 |
According to Dr. Wolf, dolphins and the Greys share an evolutionary link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj-XqCQr3DQ (8:29) Does anyone know if there's any truth to this. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi BD ; As for Semjaza , it's hard for me to say , having never met him . He certainly took matters into his own hands of decision and influence over his people , the Lyrans who had came to earth to escape from a war that they were losing , (as I understand it) . The first position (his) of three leaders at the time .... was it over 389,000 years ago ? I lose perspective in the time-looking glass , to be honest . His geneology was the white race , I believe , and the other two created a new race in the land known now as India ; the other ,I am inclined to say, fathered the newer Red race in the North America region ,if I am to remember facts I have never known first-hand . Anyone care to expound on this for our friend ? | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Bronzedesk, and Markcampbell, Phi_spiral/Bob has done a great "galactic history" summary that can be found in his posts #382, #384, #386, #388 and #392 and #394, under the thread Discussionboard of FIGU » The Mission » Miscellaneous. I am eagerly waiting for part 7 of his excellent and informative review, the Destroyer. I highly recommend for everyone to make a document of this information for future reference.(Dear Bob: with your permission.) However, Here is the part pertaining to this question in his post # 388: "The task to correct these degenerations was taken by Semjasa, the colonel of the guards who supervised all people and all nations and was responsible for establishing order in every way. Semjasa’s name appears in both the OM and the Book of Enoch. Adam, whose name means “first man”, was created by Semjasa through a process of genetic engineering and genetic breeding. Adam was the first father of today's modern white human races, and was generated by Semjasa in the Garden of Justice which is also more traditionally called, Garden Eden or Paradise. This garden lay in the area of the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers in Iraq by Uruk Gart, which was also known by king Gilgamesh. P 201*" I hope this answered your question. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Bronzedesk New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2009 |
Dear Creational and Markcampbell, Perfect!!!! It's a good beginning! First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1291 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Joe.... If I am correct, what you posted has been discussed, once...years back. It is not possible. From my point of view and the Teachings: The dolphins, are a species which have a - instinct(ive) - related Consciousness, and she would ONLY, evolved in THAT direction, within her existence; animal-wise, within the Laws of (the) Creation. The Greys, as is made clear by the Plejarans, are (biological) - artificial - Androids; but, if there were Greys, lets say, with a 'human' (build-up/DNA) tendency within their evolution, than it would still not be possible to have a link with the dolphin. The human, is in possession of a - intuitive - related Consciousness, and can thus evolve as a Evolving THINKING being/species. In the past, I have read about such theories but, when you read the Spiritual Teachings, and what it has to say, than...the whole Dolphin Greys connection would just 'devolve' before your eyes. Thus, a dolphin never had the tendency to evolve itself to a - walking upright - type of (human 'thinking') being. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1294 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Joe.... Just a spell checker error: the whole Dolphin Greys connection would just 'devolve' before your eyes. It should be 'dissolve'. Edward. | ||
Gordonb Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2008 |
Hi everyone, Hope your all ok. Did anyone else hear about the UFO on radar that flew through Europe this week? I wonder if Edward has any information on whether the UFO was ours (earths governments) or was is someone elses?? Gordon UK GordonB UK "I try my best to do a good deed every day" Salome. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 453 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Gordon, As you are a new member I will tell you something, first of all Billy's real name is Eduard not Edward. Secondly it has been over 30 years that people around him call him Billy, and that's the name he signs documents with. And to your question, Billy doesn't usually talk about sightings around the world. Just think about it, what difference would it make? Regards, Badr | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi All I have just read on the USA site of Figu that Randolph Winters is not trusted by Figu. I then have just done a internet search for reasons why. Many of you on here probably already know the story that he is a money maker from this and that his tapes and books contain many errors. I remember reading something about this before else where but didnt take much notice as I wasnt sure if it was true and I cannot remember where I read it now. I must admit that I have found some confussing errors myself. especially when it comes to describing Creation and the 7 cycles etc. Maybe thats why after reading information from Figu I am getting confussed in my mind about certain things. Its a shame that Randolph used Mr Meiers material to make himself rich because Randolph seems to have the talent to put accross information very well. I think this is why after reading the verious contacts notes and information I have here and after hearing the Winters tapes I have been confussed by some things. I am another dupt person of untruth, AGAIN  I was wondering why also there was some not so happy comments about him on here. Thanks for reading my rants Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Gordonb Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2008 |
Hi Badr, Thank you for "Correcting me"  . As to your answer about the fact that "Billy doesn't usually talk about sightings around the world Just think about it, what difference would it make? " Well it would make a difference to me, as i was curious about his thoughts, and other members on this, thats all. Not to sound too dispondant about this, i mean its in our nature to wonder about things, this n that...isnt it?? GordonB UK "I try my best to do a good deed every day" Salome. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 454 Registered: 12-2004 |
Sure it is our nature to wonder about things, so what wisdom can you gain from knowing if a UFO is from earth or not? Now ask yourself what wisdom will you gain from wondering nature itself, laws of creation and maybe even the spiritual teachings ;-) Of course everyone has a free will to do what they want, sorry but I just sometimes get fed up of the UFO talk and people missing the actual point of the whole mission. Peace... | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 05-2008 |
Questions I'm tossing out there. I've read that the Plejarens are 3,000 years ahead of us technologically and 30 million spiritually. The Plejaren have had peace/no wars for the last 50,000 years. Didn't the Plejaren or their ancestors travel to earth 10,000 years ago? Does that mean we can expect 29,750,000 more years of war on planet earth? | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 456 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Earthling, Was reading your question a few times trying to understand the logic of your question. But with no result. Human beings are different, point. You should continue reading, and you might come across some of Billy's predictions and prophecies. Which might help you out if you are trying to predict our future. Peace.. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 05-2008 |
Badr - I'll be more clear. If the Plejarens are only 3000 years ahead of us technologically, how did they travel the universe prior to 3000 years ago? I am suggesting 'only 3000 years ahead of us' does not reconcile with their space travels more than 3000 years ago, considering we are unable to travel through time and space today, asides from a trip to the moon. And if they are 30 million years ahead of us spiritually, & have had (only) 50000 years of peace, does that mean (doing simple math) we have still 29,950,000 years of war ahead of us? I've read the predictions & prophecies. I am just trying to reconcile these statements about the Plejaren in relation to us. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2007 |
Earthling, The latest information i've read is the Plejaren technology is at least 8000 years ahead of us. Hopefully we will see Peace on Earth in about 800 years when the spirit teachings have spread over the Earth. Badr has given you some good advice. There's more knowledge to be gained from reading than posting. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 474 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey earthling, perhaps i may share a thought with you. by the plejarens being for example a thousand years ahead of us spiritually, i would think that means that at the rate we are evolving, it would take us 1000 years to reach the point the plejarens are currently at. hope that helps some. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2008 |
Ling ; I assume that is your name . There were others than the Plejaren coming here before then ; Lyrans , Sirians , and the creators of the pyramids from Orion . Maybe that answers your question . MC | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 05-2008 |
Peter: In Guido's book - "And They Still Fly", he writes that the Plejaren are 30 million years ahead of us spiritually, and 3000 technologically. Even if they are 8000 years ahead of us, as Schantz has read, it doesn't jibe with: 190,000 BC Pelegon arrives from Plejares, with 70,000 of his people, on Earth. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Event_Timeline The Plejaren must be way more than 3000 or 8000 years ahead of us technologically, if they were able to travel the universe in 190,000 BC. These numbers must be incorrect or I am misunderstanding something. Earthling, Please don't use active links unless it is to a FIGU related Website. Thanks Scott | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2009 |
Just a courtesy wake up call! The name Campbell is a notable and noble family name with a beautiful history, but to my recollection it also is a soup! In Thailand, Laos, Cambodia the word "ling" means "Monkey" So according to them we're all Earth Monkeys! Please, try to reconcile with each other! You can play with numbers and words but it's the old... "Blind man and the elephant's tale joke!" What we know is... what they tell us! It's up to us to discern how to make our children better than the parent's! Take time to think it over, not react it over! "Now, class!!!! (Cheech and Chong!) First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 12-2007 |
Salome Badr, you are also so silent now a days like all dear old pioneer friends! ya contemplating in very long way spiritual evolution path is more important/beneficial than other Billy/Figu related matters. Just wanna say Hello to you and others Salome M45 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 05-2008 |
Scott: I thought futureofmankind was FIGU related? Only Michael Horn's site & FIGU? Earthling, I will get further clarification of this. Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 607 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello Schantz, I am curious to know - where did you read that .. "the Plejaren technology is at least 8000 years ahead of us?" I would like to see the reference for myself. Thank you. Earthling and Schantz, As to their being "X-many" years (3000 or 8000 - whatever) difference, is an indication of relative difference NOW. Considering the CURRENT level of our Technology. If we think about what was our level of Technology on Earth 5000-years ago, THEN the Plejarens were some 22-Million-years in advance of our 'level.' Logically, It's relative to past or present time, i.e. the relative Era. The advances in Earth Technology have blossomed only in the last 200-years, with the most significant advances in just the last 50-years. We've gone from Wind-powered Sailing ships to Nuclear submarines; from Horse & Carriage to Spacecraft; from 'Leeches & bloodletting' to MRI machines and Genetic mapping. Look back (Imagine it) from the perspective of 100-years from now. I would venture that the relative 'gap' in Technology to be less than it is now. Wars: - "29,950,000 years of war ahead of us?" ... No: - I think that as the Spiritual Teachings take hold on the Earth in about another 800-years, that we should become united as One Humanity on the Earth. If we all then continue to advance in both Material and Spiritual knowledge, the horrors of wars should fade from our memories ... a darkness in Human history as we go forth into the Light of Truth. The essential point here, is to achieve a Balance. This we can begin to do now. The Journey of 10,000 steps begins with one. This does not rule out any possible war which could be imposed on us from some hostile marauders from deep space. That happened with the Lyrians and Plejarens themselves. Semjase has warned us that there are such un-civilized Star-faring types out there. There have even been reports that recent warfare within our own Sun-system space, has been an intervention against such marauders. Hope this clears it up for your questions. Keep asking, that's how learning takes place. The best knowledge comes into your mind from Logical Thinking about 'Facts' as they are found, in the light of Truth as given to us from the Plejarens and from Billy. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 475 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there earthling, i am not sure you are thinking logically here. that or there is an error in the book. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2008 |
To Earthling ; You said : "Even if they are 8000 years ahead of us, as Schantz has read, it doesn't jibe with: 190,000 BC Pelegon arrives from Plejares, with 70,000 of his people, on Earth." So the Jibe is : Pelegon wasn't Plejaren . Kind Regards , Mark | ||
Tachyon New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2008 |
Perhaps the Plejaren stopped researching technology at a certain point. Perhaps years of wars actually erased some years worth of technology, pushing them more to the Spiritual side. Maybe we're going through the same thing? It's about time we got over this mess and connected more with our spiritual side. If 3000 years time elapsed I am sure we would have figured out as much as the Plejaren in that regard. But who is to say after only 1500 years we reach the technology that the Plejaren needed to come to Earth in 190,000BC? Or, spend 1 year on technology and for every 10,000 years on spiritualism. Anything can happen in that amount of time if you think about it, it's just how they used that time | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1295 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tachyon and All.... Welcome to the FIGU board. Good summery, Tachyon. Well, as far as I know, there is an 'update' on the thousand years of technology, ahead of the Spirituality aspect. It has been discussed, here. It seems, that the Plejarans also obtain certain technology from new allies, as I understand it to be. In exchange for Creational Spirituality (The Teachings), and so forth. Thus, we must not forget..this aspect which would of course...'increase' their technology abilities and capabilities, which than would 'exceed' above the last Count Date/number/year(s); which is generating the fuss, here. If we keep this in mind, than - Logic - will express herself, as wished! Edward. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 05-2008 |
MarkCampbell ... I am assuming Plejaren are from Plejares, no? Unless Pelegon was a wayward traveler from elsewhere, temporarily stationed on Plejares? Another inconsistency: "One of the star system's from which 70,000 refugees fled 50,000 years ago, led by Pelegon the Jschwjsch who eventually settled in the Sol star system. Shortly after this exodus, there was established peace in the system (or at least on planet Erra). It still exists to this day. " http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Plejares_star_system In one section it says Pelegon arrived 190,000 BC and now I read only 50,000 years ago. Talk about fun with numbers!?  J-rod, you make good points with your theory of spiritual & technological relativity, bending with time, not linearly. However the original statements need further clarification. Tachyon .. good point about condensing the fruits of time with greater spiritual evolution. To all, I thank you for entertaining my question. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1300 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tachyon... Correction on: Well, as far as I know, there is an 'update' on the thousand years of technology, ahead of the Spirituality aspect. Should be:...on the thousand years of technology, NOT ahead of the Spirituality aspect. Edward. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 743 Registered: 10-2000 |
It seems to me that we underestimate the exponential nature of human's technological development. 8,000 years in advance technologically is enormous. I think that J_rod7 hints at this. It would also seem that humanity demonstrates just how slow our actual spiritual development is and how slowly we've moved in comparison to our technological progress. Michael Horn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Volks, The fact that the Plejaren are 3000 years technologically advanced... but very much more advanced spiritually... only shows the importance of spirituality as compared to technology. In other words thinking logically is not the end all... be all... Look how far we've come in one hundred years... microwaves, computers, jets, cars, science, space travel, inventions, medicine, our homes, our jobs, many of them non-existent one hundred years ago... now multiply that thirty times and you have how technologically advanced the Plejaren are... comparatively. The Plejaren have visited Earth many times. Many millions whom have visited previous were Lyrian or Vegan decent and it was only a small splinter group of them who became what are called Plejaren today. They have the ability to travel in time and can be here virtually any time they want regardless of our chronological dependence on linear time... Also, those scientists who came with Pelegon were not all sectarians being irresponsible and corrupt as he was said to be... which it is my understanding from reading Wassermannzeit Nr 5 of Feb 1989. The Plejaren gained their peace by hard work and due diligence... paying attention to the truth flowing forth by Creation... They allowed their consciousness to be free of cults, sects and religions... using logic and universal truth to lead the way. Since they are helping us... we must be worth it and they must see we are able... to reach a state of peace, as they have... It is also a fact that being genetically manipulated will cause some unbalance which may be rectified in the near future and/or may be one reason the Plejaren and Billy are helping us in this way... at this time. Happy Celestial New Year to Billy... and the Universe he has made us a part of... Thank you. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 02-2006 |
futureofmankind.co.uk is not FIGU-related in the sense that it is officially endorsed by FIGU. I am not a passive FIGU member. Nor is the website filtered by any FIGU member in an official capacity. But I have been permitted by FIGU to develop it further: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/News#23rd_March_2008 So it's probably better to consider it a Billy Meier Wiki, encyclopedia or reference website rather than FIGU-related. It is not neutral in the same sense as Wikipedia though because the words "alleged" and "claimed" are not present in every paragraph which is what Wikipedia requires everyone to do unless the statements are widely accepted by the public (in their opinion). The articles within the site are not doctored in anyway, shape or form. They are just copies of articles from another source, gathered together in one website for everyones convenience. For a guaranteed quicker response please email me direct webmaster (at) futureofmankind (dot) co (dot) uk Kind Regards James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2008 |
Plejaren are from Plejares , YES . Pelegon from Erra ( a Plejaren ?) , NO . Fun with numbers ? Mistakes have been noted before by FIGU , and more than likely , this is one that they have announced , if this was an error . I won't look further into it . I assume your'e looking for faults , Earthling.. for whatever motive . Whoever you are . | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 05-2008 |
MarkCampbell, whoever you are, and what does that mean "whoever you are"? My modus operandi is not a search for faults. However when 2+2 does not equal 4, do you just keep whistling dixie & swallow what you've read? I assume you are looking for non-believers/heretics within the Billy Meier camp, kind of like Russia's secret police made up of ordinary citizens trained to report on their fellow countrymen; or Hitler youth, or some self-designated FIGU CIA ... who/what are you? You suggest I should read and neither question what I read nor post any discrepancies in this forum. No can do, MarkCampbell, whomever you are. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 02-2006 |
Mark was just trying to pursuade you to sign your posts with your true name I think, Earthling. Mark why the impolite question? Whats wrong with anonymity? There might be really serious consequences for revealing his name. Unlikely but possible I'd say. Regarding the inconsistent figures about when when Pelegon arrived here, I cannot say which one is true since I don't have the German originals. Does it really matter though? On the one hand I'd prefer to have no inconsistencies too because it will reduce the number of criticisms for the pedantic among us (the nitpickers or "picky bar-stewards" as we say in the UK). I wonder if its ok to say bastard on this forum. Mr Moderator please delete this line if it isnt! :D On the other hand I think 99% of what I've read is consistent and not contradicted elsewhere so it's not bad at all really if you look at it that way. Kind Regards James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 05-2008 |
James - whether Pelegon arrived 50000 or 192000 years ago, while a huge discrepancy, isn't what I was trying to get at. That error was a byproduct of searching for an answer to my other question. And I wouldn't call 142000 year difference, nitpicking by prickly pear-stards. I was trying to figure out how we are only 3000 or 8000 years behind the Plejaren technologically considering their ancestors have been traveling the universe for at least 10000 years and perhaps hundreds of thousands of years. Anonymously, Earth Ling. ps/btw, great site you've put together. Thanks for your work. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 744 Registered: 10-2000 |
I finally have a functioning search engine at my site that also searches James' site, James Deardorff's and this forum. Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 617 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hey there Earthling, I did once before mention to you that the Plejarens (then known as Lyrians) were already capable of Space Flight through the Stars since some 22-Million Years ago now. Are You actively working to advance technology here on Earth? If so, the Mathematics of Creation will serve you very well. But if not engaged in such work, how will such knowledge of relative technical differences serve to enhance your Spiritual growth? Recommended reading is in the Contact notes. There, you will find information to answer many of your questions. Of course, these should also lead you to questions which will have greater significance for your personal Spiritual Growth and Evolution. Let your path be one into the Light of Wisdom. *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 403 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jamesm... The twelve commandments are expressed so that each of them are just as important as the other... Do one and you've done and equivilent of them all... Do not lie... One of the reasons we are in such hot water at the moment is due to consistant lying by the earthlings. The secrecy, the hiding behind a nebulous name... is a form of lying such as the secret three letter forces who work for whom? Billy's time is important... Many of these folks that hide behind these fictitious names are doing so in order to have more questions answered by Billy rather than looking within and answering the question for themselves... | ||
Tachyon New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2008 |
At the going rate (let's say average) it would take us 3,000 (or 8,000, whichever figure we wanna use) to reach the type of technology the Plejaren have. However, you must think at OUR rate, it will be much slower than that for us to get there. Saying that they are 3,000 years ahead of us technologically doesn't mean that 3,000 years ago they were where we are now. Not at all. Many factors contribute to what those figures are now. For instance, I am sure our spiritual capabilities or knowledge would eventually limit how much technology we can achieve. I mean, what good is all this technology if we do not progress spiritually first? We're just going to destroy ourselves living in the material world. Does that help? :P | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2008 |
Earthling ; I tried to answer your question , and the rude parts are just what they seem ; a personal wrangling with the anonyminty issue , which you have a right to . Your own rudeness may not be apparent to you , so below will be an explanation , if you are interested in reading the answer to yet another question of yours. If I'm looking for anything , it's just a nerve with you that would lead to some kind of conclusion eventually that the inconsistencies are inevitable , that there are greater things to learn here than what year an event happened or how far it is to the nearest galaxy , or some other fact . Pardon my judgement of you , but it seems that you are either not aware of the fact that Billy and the Plejaren are due a margin of error , or that you are not inerested in the real message of this Mission , which is spiritual education , which consists in the education of the personality and mind , so be apprised of it now . I intended to give brief anwers about your questions in a yes/no format , but I see that you are not satisfied with the apparent impersonal nature of that style . Can't say I blame you !Can't say I blame me either , since I have no idea who you might be . But the hard questions I think would be worthwhile , in case it matters to anyone at all , are the ones that relate to the logic of the case . Years and miles have nothing to do with that since they can easily be attributed to typos or other errors in manuscripting . As for who am , what I am , I answer patently : An Earth Human . Responsibly ; E.H. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 05-2008 |
MarkC : What is rudeness to one, is directness to another. I well understand that there are greater things to consider than consistency in all things written. But as this is a forum to bounce whatever we come across in Billy Meiers writings, that is what I did. That is why this forum exists, and as such, I may continue to do so. I fail to see what difference it makes whether one knows anothers name or not. You still do not know them and they do not know you, whether ones name is out there or not. You think I sit here googling someones name trying to get 'to know' them? Apparently revealing ones name lets one into the club. I do not care whether I am in such a club or not. Certain name revealers are using such a tactic to oneup themselves, think they are better/more credible than those who remain anonymous. Or they think they are following the laws and directives of creation while others are not. I laugh at such self-serving interpretations of the 12 commandments for purposes of self-aggrandizement and belittling others as if self-aggrandizement/putting down others were part of the laws and directives of creation. Why is it so important you know my name? Its your problem, not mine. I could just as easily reveal it. It means nothing to me. But since certain petty people need the revealing of anothers name, it will remain such a huge huge secret, since it is of such monumental import. (Comment Deleted) ---------------- Tachyon, I understand what you're saying. J_rod says the Plejaren, formerly Lyrian, have space traveled for some 22 million years. I suppose its possible for us to be where they are now in another 3000-8000 years. Who knows .. I was just throwing it out there. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 458 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Mark and Earthling, Please stop it, if you don't get along then just try to ignore each other. No need attack each other. Members have a freewill to provide their name on the forum, so let's accept that part and move on. Peace.. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 05-2008 |
Badr - we are getting along. This is our way of getting 'to know' one another. Children will play their games. We just express our love differently at this point in the evolution of our acquaintanceship.  Well, I shouldn't speak for Mark, excuse me. My comment regarding laws of creation in relation to anonymity was not intended for Mark. Peace, indeed. | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings, where we come from, the islands in the orient seas, the Philippines, we were thought this verse from the bible and as it turned out, it is also with TJ: Mt 7:1 1"Judge not, that you be not judged." TJ 7:1 1"Judge not falsely, lest you be falsely judged." also, Mt 7: 3 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? is there a cognate with TJ? likely, there is non because, having read the tread currently on, it could not slip the notice how wonderful to read the openness everyone exhibited in the manner you made your feelings come out. humans as we are at the present times, it is indeed difficult, let alone by not sharing a common language and with the different cultural/traditional influences over each one of us, to come to a common ground of understanding and be able to avoid its opposite. but are these impediments? it is my earnest feeling that though it may not be pleasant at times, this manner of exchange is but an important process in the evolution of man. please notice the supposedly dignified religious and political leaders/important figures of this planet showing the whole world how they are as yet at a level of evolution far less than the pleasant or within the fringes of the ways of fine/pure spirits, chosen leaders as they are. they may speak with the most diplomatic manner, look the best way possible, or make us feel comfortable with their word/plans/programs, but what is the reality of it all? are they not hiding things and motives from us as well, except for the throwing of some punches towards each other? it is a pity indeed, coarse spirits still just like me. in this forum, evolution indeed takes place in its most evident manner from what can be understood from the teachings: find ourselves by being free from all the influences of the past, false beliefs, traditions so we could see the truth. we need each other, we are one with the whole. let us work together to evolve as human spirit needs to go through. we need each other. who knows, together we could also see the future sooner than later. however, is it right to accept there is that number who will not make it? with all humility, Jun Sarmiento | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello Elreyjr, If you are interested in comparing the bible to the Talmud Jmmanual, James Deardorf has a site pretty much devoted to that and is very thorough. Jim is a decent man who has studied this subject and provides intense detail and is the best site in the world for comparison... To me the Talmud Jmmanual is superior to the bible in integrity and logical flow and makes understanding the bible much more clear... Not mucked about and slightly changed ruining the message over a span of two thousand years of well intentioned yet ego driven persons with the need to be right with the power over others deeply etched on their minds... | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 621 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello Jun (Elreyjr), Welcome to these forums. Your thoughts come through clearly. Here, you pose an interesting question: "is it right to accept there is that number who will not make it?" The Truth is - ALL will 'make it.' Some, sooner, quicker, in a shorter number of lifetimes of reincarnation. Perhaps in a total of only 60-Billion years. Some, those who don't seem to 'get-it,' will require a greater number of lifetimes to learn their lessons to come into the full Truth of Creation. For these, they may spend as much as 80-Billion years through the cycles of reincarnation. Even those priests, dictators, and such other obstinate ones will eventually learn in their own way, in their own time. So, we can accept them as they are, and let them go their own way. For those among us which apply the teachings of Truth into our lives, we may serve as an example to those of a lesser Light. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1301 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tachyon.... I understand what you mean, yes. Well, we here on Earth DO...have to thank the Plejarans for their contribution to our technology advancement, due to the - Impulses - which a number of scientists and so forth receive. So, this process does...indeed help us to advance a bit prematurely...yet...maturely, so to speak. If this were not the case, we would indeed...be lacking far behind! Thus: Thanks to their assistance we do progress at a much quicker rate/pace. But, I guess, due to the circumstance that is manifesting on Earth today, they are sort of 'easing' the pain, we are into; so to speak. Without their assistance we would already have been 'doomed'! [Spiritually and Materially] So: thanks to them and Billy, we are being kept alive...and still progressing Spiritually as well as Materially...at a quite reasonable pace. And we still can put/adapt the correct pace into our balance of Technology and the Spiritual aspect. As I remember, that you can let a number of Higher advanced Spirit-forms not lack behind for the sake of the number of Lower Spirit-forms. It seems, that the Higher advanced Spirit-forms 'must' be given a hand to have the possibility to Advance themselves, and make good use of. Their Spiritual talents/qualities should not go to waste, so to speak. Stagnation, would only lead to even more Chaos, so to speak. And concerning the technology the Plejarans obtain from new allies: they would just Improve and Perfect it. Perhaps, some aspects the Plejarans have and the new allies do not have and visa versa, than combining the two, would result into a much more advance sort of technology(s). And than, when calculated the Plejarans would as result be so-and-so much further in their advancement of technology. Not to forget, the - Creational Spiritual - aspect on the Plejaran side, which would of course also have an advantage and contribution, into the mentioned. Edward. | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Rarena, Rod and all, appreciate your thoughts and suggestion. there is really a lot of studying and understanding for me to do. with you guys around helping from the forum, it would likely be a delightful and fruitful experience for me. it is my honor and pleasure to be with the forum. with all humility, Jun Sarmiento | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi all Im looking for somewhere that describes the belts of creation, in english. Possible what the belts are called and a brief description of what then belts do if possible. If anyone can possibly help me find this information I would be very greatfull Thank you Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 407 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Jun, There is no reason to humiliate yourself as: with all humility, . Jun Sarmiento That is part of the main misconception... We are to be treated as equals. Even Billy who is light years and eons spiritually beyond what we can concieve... He is a man like you and me... Not Buddist Monk, Catholic Priest, nor Jewish Rabbi... Not acended master nor slave, but side by side working together... for each other not against. It is my pleasure to help you... As for me reading... yes... Since 1975 on and off... seriously since 2004... with this case... but am nowhere near finishing... Nowdays I read about two or three hours per day if not much more... and there is no end in sight... Our Swiss friends' reference material appears endless and in the case of the Plejaren Om... almost... endless... eh eh... A one armed man, with knowledge and skill beyond anyone I've ever met and rarely changes the content of his message. The concept stays the same... the wording sometimes slightly different... The truth is unchanging... Salome = Be Greeted in Peace and Wisdom... | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi, forget my last post here, I have found exactly what I was looking for from FIGU bulletin No 005 Thanks Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 06-2006 |
Randy Humility means 'humbleness' which is not the same as humiliation which is a state of abasement. Remember that in other cultures, being humble is often part of a greeting, which probably says that you do not raise yourself above the person you are addressing. Robjna | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 629 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello Stephen_moore, "...for somewhere that describes the belts of creation, in english." Go to http://www.theyfly.com/ and click on Products (this is the DVD & bookstore) where you may purchase your very own copy of And Still They Fly by Guido Moosbrugger. He provides diagrams and a good description of the Material Universe with the Creation Belts. For a 'general discussion' (no diagrams) between Quetzal and Billy about the Universe, read Contact 228, found here...: http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_228 Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 331 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello I remember reading somewhere that humility (or humbleness) is not good. Instead what is good and a virtue is modesty. We must be ourselves, but never pretend to be less than anyone else (as with humility). Precisely in some greetings in different places one places oneself below the other person which can´t be good. At all moments one must have self-respect, at all moment one must have in mind that we all are of the same value (which of course doesnt mean that we shouldn´t be friendly and kind), and also one must have in mind that all that we think and say have a direct impact in our subconsciousness, so if you think or say for example: i´m weak, i´m ignorant, i´m your servant etc. that goes against your personal development and evolution. Instead one should be modest and honest, never pretend to be anything that you aren´t, but also one must know that we all are irreplaceable, unique, and an inseparable part of all, we all have a great potential, and we can always be better in everything that we can think about, and thats our goal in life, to grow, to develop and learn to live in harmony. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 04-2006 |
Within the Meier material is a quote that generally says that we should not allow a fellow human think too much of himself and we should also not allow them to think too little of them selves. In other words if someone is hitting the extremes of self evaluation then we must with tack and an attitude of genuine caring bring to the attention of our fellow human or concern for them and hopefully our relationship and skills can accomplish this without offense. The actual definition of Humility from the dictionary is the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc. The self evaluation is perhaps one of the most important skills to acquire in self management in order to proceed consistently on evolution path effectively. Matt | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 06-2006 |
You wrote: "We must be ourselves, but never pretend to be less than anyone else (as with humility). Precisely in some greetings in different places one places oneself below the other person which can´t be good. " I agree with you. It is all a matter of the context that one uses the word. Humble, in one of its uses, does mean modest, and lacking in pretention/lack of false pride etc..... When one knows less than others about a particular subject, one can humbly acknowledge that. However, this does not mean that as a person he is not equal, only with regard to his knowledge of that particular subject. It is all in the context. Robjna | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 408 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thanks Indi, Very nice to hear from you... Hope you're staying cool and not being effected in all those fires downunder... Just didn't want our new friend Jun to think being humble like a dog would cut him any slack when it comes to dealing with the real everyday problems occuring in what the Plejaren claim: a barbarous world. There may be those who would take advantage of his humbleness. When the truth gets stepped on it keeps people from it... "Standing up" for the truth is where it's at... in this forum... As in NOT turning the other cheek or NOT an eye for an eye. Neutral positive, not passive agressive or overly agressive. We should treat all as equal, no matter what culture or educational level we come from. Putting one above or below another it is my understanding... is incorrect according to the Meier material and leads to worship of a human being or on the opposite side... slavery and hate (disrespect to others). Salome (as in: Peace and Wisdom) It is also similar to hello in Arabic yet with a completely different meaning... | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 06-2008 |
Randy: This has nothing to do with the topic here. I wanted to know, where in the bay area do you live? We were thinking about creating a BA group, if you are interested of course... Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 632 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** We All come Together Here in Peace Randy, and Memo00, The expression of being Humble (as in "with all humility) is an HONORABLE EXPRESSION. I do not see any indication of "abasement" in such expression. Robjna and Matt have also both presented excellent counterpoints to your objections. Jun, I see your 'sign-off' has ignited a controversy here that detracts from the message. This is NOT your fault, but is in "the Eye of the Beholder." That such arguments should even erupt here over such trivia, is not logical, and should be recognized as such by the participants. You keep on expressing the Truth as you see it, ask the questions you wish that will lead you to greater understanding of Truth, and just ignore the 'flak.' (unless you like to participate in the fray yourself.) Sign-off however you wish.! They are the ideas, the Truth, and the Spirit which are the important reality. In All Humility Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2009 |
greetings to you all, it was a pleasant surprise that the signoff warranted your time and effort. appreciate it very much. rest assured it is a learning experience for me. may it be also for others. what about the other bigger issues raised in my post # 8? all comments are welcome. in all earnestness, Jun Sarmiento | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 634 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Fossilized 'Human' Skull on Mars, photograph from Rover Spirit..: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fh6KGf3TNo&feature=related *** Shouldn't this be in the Mars section?-Scott You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 636 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** OOOPS, you're right Scott. Should I re-post over there? *** No, but just a reminder-Tnxs Scott You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 05-2008 |
I haven't been able to get into the FIGU english site for days now. All the other languages seem like they're working. Anyone else have troubles getting in or know what's up? | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Ramirez, "Male circumcision, vs. Female genital mutilation" Male circumcision is a medically supervised procedure which is not only practiced for religious reasons but also for prophylaxis against perceived future ailments and for immediate medical indications in certain particular conditions such Paraphimosis, Ballooning and or Acute balanoposthitis. Urinary tract infections though rare in male infants are more common in the uncircumcised boy(only one percent, however). Female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), or female genital cutting, refers to a number of practices which involve cutting away part or all of a girl’s external genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons and only recently has been done with some medical supervision. Mutilated/cut infants, girls and women face irreversible lifelong health risks, among other consequences. The practice is most common in Africa. Unlike the male circumcision which is practiced all over the world. Although small but nevertheless possible health benefit and medical indications is gained for the male. While definite health hazard with medical complication is unquestionably generated for the female. This to me, is comparing apples and oranges. Sources: http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Circumcision%20For%20Phimosis%20And%20Other%20Medical%20Indications%20In%20Australian%20Boys.pdf http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs241/en/ http://www.familymedicine.co.uk/features/circum.htm And my personal medical reference books. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 03-2004 |
Rod (sorry i didnt read your post earlier) about the word humility... words can have many different meanings in different contexts, but in many dictionaries i consulted humility is listed as a synonym of submission, and if one searches more one finds other synonyms like docility, abasement, servility, self-abnegation, obedience, etc. Which all are undesirable characteristics. i remember reading a pair of times in Billy info that humility is not good for example the following affirmation taken from here: http://clemmm.googlepages.com/Meditation_aus_klarer_Sicht_239-240.html "22) Im Bewusstsein, der Psyche sowie in meinen Gedanken und Gefühlen bin ich gross und freundlich und jeder Demut abhold. 22) In the consciousness, the psyche as well as in my thoughts and feelings, I am great and friendly and averse to every humility." take care | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 682 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello Memo00 ... This subject now is 'water over the dam,' but thank you for the quote. *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Zhila. Seems we have missed several interesting posts trailing from the other thread and now there is no real context or continuity. However as to circumcision. Whether it's conducted by qualified medical practitioners or the village butcher is only mildly relevant. In the other thread Norm immediately realized the implication .... the centre of attention usually has no say in the proceedings. Under any circumstances mutilating helpless infants is a barbaric crime in my book. This practice from a historical viewpoint has little to do with health & hygeine, rather it's a continuation of blood initiation rituals. These were practiced in Egypt & South American Indian empires by the priest classes then gradually widely introduced as a socialogical method of subtle control against the general population. What the creator endows you with at birth can be removed by the king who therefore weilds greater power. Various weak minded personages & career degenerates were encouraged to believe in the absolute power of kings through Kamagols influence resulting in certain rulers became increasingly depraved. First circumcision then sacrifice ... Sacrifice has gradually become unacceptable but many still haven't joined the dots regarding circumcision & genital mutilation with few people understanding it's origins, rationalle and objectives. Look at how the catholic church operates. No pope dares tackle certain issues as it would then place under a huge spotlight the notion of papal infallability in matters of doctrine. If he changes something it signifies others before him were in error & the elaborate structure of control begins to crumble. At their most fundamental level circumcision & other unnatural practices have become a tool of social control. Who dares question customs .... it's unpatriotic. Look at various religious & secular donkeys in power today. Who among them appears to have much of a clue about anything ? If you wish to discuss medical pros & cons consider the problem of male incontinence. Low or mild discharges are easily fixed by the simple expedient of placing folded tissue or toilet paper in place under the foreskin. Without this solution comes the need for all manner of complicated devices right up to wearing nappies & rubber undies. In most places I imagine the easiest solutions would work just fine. From your experience how many males succumb to incontinence compared to infections under the foreskin area ? Lets hope other members add their viewpoints even if copied & pasted from the other thread. From there it will become a more substantial debate. Cheers. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Ramirez, Admittedly, I am not at all knowledgeable about the true origin of these practices. My considerations are from recent journals of medicines and reports. With that being said, I recognized that there exist many frequent medical procedures such as hysterectomy, tonsillectomy and so on that raise the question of medical necessity versus the monetary benefit of the practitioner; whether the entire practice is historically coherent or not. Your post has raised some plausible, thoughtful and very interesting issues about the particular practice of circumcision and its roots. Yet, in my view, going back to the issue at hand being the comparison of the two, I still feel that FGM/C, (female genital mutilation/cut) has absolutely no indication whatsoever thus is a blunt abuse with no debatable merit whatsoever; while circumcision arguably may carry at least some benefit in some cases. Why circumcision was not mentioned by Christian, erroneously or otherwise, is for him to debate and for us to ponder upon. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Zhila. "Yet, in my view, going back to the issue at hand being the comparison of the two, I still feel that FGM/C, (female genital mutilation/cut) has absolutely no indication whatsoever thus is a blunt abuse with no debatable merit whatsoever; while circumcision arguably may carry at least some benefit in some cases." Here I agree with you 100% and believe you state the facts absolutely accurately. However at time of birth what percentage of male babies would display obvious signs of genital abnormality, susceptability to infection or other health threatening conditions ?. I imagine statistics might be kept at some hospitals or health areas but not on any sort of co-ordinated national basis. As male children grow older a very small percentage might develop some sort of condition whereby circumcision offers the only long term solution. Here I agree the practice on a case by case basis would be warranted under medical supervision. But as a social custom, religious initiation or part of some ceremony announcing an entry into adulthood or other such nonsense .... it then degenerates plain & simple into a violation of human rights. I think most of us recognise this issue bears delicate socio political implications. It might be somewhat "adventerous" labeling circumcision unnecessary, barbaric, uncivilized so expediency must prevail ..... not for the sake of maintaining a semblance of peace but to maintain the shadow of ignorance. It is always a delight to read your posts. Cheers. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 585 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hello everyone! I'm be back from my travels soon and am very excited to catch up on all the new information. I came across very interesting writings concerning our past history, including Gilgamesh info. All that I uncovered was completely inline with what Billy has written and responded about. Truth will always be stranger than fiction. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Bianca New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2009 |
Michael, I listened to the radio talk you did with Randall Libero, 30-4-08, and something caught my attention: as most are already aware of Billy's predictions and prophecies, in the conversation you said:"...there will be a turning point against the US by various countries... possibly with the help of an un-specified ET race"??? I assume this info is from Billy, can you please elaborate more as to Which ET race? where do they come from? and why would they want to be involved? It sounds strange that more races want to help or disturb our progress for good or for bad and given that Billy knows that other races still visit earth Ptaah said that no other ET race is responsible for earth's progress but them. Interesting! Thanks! | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 756 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Bianca, Here is the sentence from the Henopch Prophecies: "And at this time, the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the Western industrialised countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorised by the irresponsibly acting Western countries, should this possibility become reality. " Michael Horn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1261 Registered: 02-2000 |
If anyone wants to listen to it the can listen to it here. http://www.modavox.com/voiceamerica/vepisode.aspx?aid=29312 My Website | ||
Hlynur_smári New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2009 |
Hi forum. I've been wondering about timetravel and death in the distant future or past. For example if and when we'll be able to do timetravel and if "god forbid" something bad would happen, accident or some sort, and it follows by death of the body/material form. What happens to the spirit? Is it stuck in the future/past at some far along planet never to gain material form again? Is there anyone who knows the answer to this question? SAALOME Hlynur | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2007 |
I would like to make a suggestion to the people of steelmarkonline.com. I have emailed Steelmark directly and never received a response. When someone does a Google search for Billy Meier, steelmarkonline.com or Wikipedia consistently comes up first. When you click on the Steelmark site there is a flashing pink sign which says join now. I think the flashing sign is very annoying when your looking at the page and I also think it sends the wrong message by saying join now. When I send people links to the Meier material I always exclude your site for these reasons. When you click on the Wikipedia site at the bottom of the page under external links Steelmark is listed as Billy Meier's homepage which unless I'm mistaken it is not. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here and I know in the past Steelmark has made many positive contributions to the mission such as translations and printing and publishing the Talmud Jmmanuel. I think the Steelmark site looks great except for the flashing sign. | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2007 |
I wish to know if it is possible to recieve the hidden codes that are in the german language just by listening to them being read aloud by a human,in german,even though you would not understand a word that person is saying. Also, if it is, how could I get my hands on a talking book of this language. John | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1366 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hlynur_smári and Johnnybalmain... May I adress you gentlemen to utilize the Search Engine up above, on this page? Your questions have been discussed before, and their answers...given. Pleasant Reading..... Edward. | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hello Edward, Thanks for attempting to answer my request. Pray tell under what wording would you advise me to search. I have begun by using the word codex but truthfully I have not had the time to read every post which has that word in it. Maybe you could suggest a better wording to refine and shorten my search please. Peace Johnnybalmain | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 770 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Johnnybalmain, Peace be with you You will find an interesting discussion related to the Evolution Codex in the German words/text from Billy, in this from GaiaGuys, posted here...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/kodex.htm This is the opening of the text...: [ "In den deutschsprachigen Text dieses Buches ist ein altherkömmlicher Evolutions-Code eingewoben, der auf Vernunfts-Impulsen aufgebaut ist. "A long-established evolutions code, built on reason-impulses, is woven into the German language text of this book. "Durch diesen Evolutions-Code werden nur Menschen angesprochen, die eines fortschrittlichen, vernünftigen und zumindest teillogischen Denkens fähig sind und die sich bewusst um die geistige und bewusstseinsmässige Evolution bemühen und in diesem Rahmen auch nach gutem Gewissen und Können die schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote befolgen. "Through this evolutions code, only humans would be addressed, who are capable of progressive, rational, and at least partly logical thinking, and are conscious of the spiritual and measure-of-consciousness evolution effort, and, also, in this framework, in good conscience and ability, follow the creational laws and commandments." ] ... Further on into the text is another answer to your question...: [ "Die Wirkung tritt auch dann ein, wenn jemand den deutschen Text liest, der der deutschen Sprache nicht mächtig ist. "The same result is obtained when someone reads the German text, even though that person may not master the German language. "Dabei spielt es keine Rolle, ob der Text leise oder laut gelesen oder ob er einem vorgelesen wird. "It matters little whether the text is read silently or aloud, or whether one person reads it to another." ] This is found (entering "code within german text") through the website Search Engine at...: http://www.theyfly.com This the website of Michael Horn, and the newly added search function there is a valuable tool for research. We do aim to please here, to assist one another in Spiritual Evolution. Peace Be on Earth, in Space, and Among All Beings Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2007 |
Thankyou Rod I believe I have the information I seek. There is one other small matter that I suspect I will never find in the search engines,nor have I in my readings. That is there is many read aloud programmes available on the internet so would a digitised robotic voice be acceptable for the receiving of the evolution codex? thankyou John | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 773 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Johnnynalmain, Digitized robotic voices --- Hmm, I don't know. Possible, but really, I don't know. My OPINION - the human voice better with inflection, feeling and the power of thought. Would be a good question to ask of Billy. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 04-2007 |
HOLY BUTTERCUPS!!!! now that i have your attention. i had an awesome dream last night bout me traveling to other planets. i seen a checkered board slanted with some wierd pieces. seen massive sea creatures. seen other humans and their wierd teepee huts..but when the 4 wheeler came in the groove was gone >.> They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hey Rod, Yeah it would be but they closed the damn thing. I noticed it was open at about 10pm so I decided I would think about the question but next morning when I went in they closed it. It's just not fair, just like life, I'll live with it. John | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 03-2007 |
John, Maybe you should be better prepared instead of damning the privilege we have of asking Billy questions. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Johnnybalmain = "... when I went in they closed it." So now, do you find the point in the lesson? There is the wise old saying: "Strike While the Iron is Hot." Lesson to learn = Follow your instincts when they appear in your consciousness. There is always the 'next time', Yes? (Or is there yet another lesson buried here, too?) All events in our lives may be applied to some good result. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all, I have a question I can't find the answer to in the search engines, I came across a post by someone who claimed to have seen a movie of the wedding cake ship which was moving /flying around. It was suggested that this was one of the stolen movies from Billys collection. This footage has obviously never resurfaced but to get to the point, the poster claimed that part of the top of the wedding cake ship rotated , does anyone know if this is true? If not I'll ask Billy next time round. Thanks Salome Tony. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2008 |
Bodhran. Take a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSacjuSL2JA Definition is too low to determine if the top is spinning. Looks like the ship just hovers. If an analysis of the zoom in part were done frame by frame it might be possible but looks unlikely given the tape only lasts a few seconds. You might compare this effect to wheel trims when a car is moving. The trim displays a seemingly fixed design whilst in fact it is rotating. Cheers. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Ramirez, thanks, I've seen all the footage publicly availible before, none of it seems to show a rotation, its just that it was mentioned before in another post but unconfirmed,and it would make sense of something I've been looking at in some of the photographs. Salome Tony. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 09-2007 |
I Bohdran I think I've seen this video. It was filmed in front of Billy´s house. Some parts were rotating, but the weirdest thing was that there were some rectangular openings appearing and closing, I think it was on the side of the "trash can lid" part of the ship.   These photos show that the middle row of spheres is rotating in relation to the rest. Also, the top of the "trash can lid" rotates together with the spheres. The video I saw was filmed in this same spot. There are some slight markings next to the "trash can lid handle", maybe the square surrounding that "handle" was the part that opened and closed. I don't remember where I saw the video, this was a long time ago. David | ||
J_jansen New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hi Tony, I think you are referring to the following question I asked Billy and Christian: See: http ://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3341.html#POST9985 --------------------- Have you ever made wedding cake beamship footage which fits the following description: A wedding cake beamship hovers above a green hill. However, contrary to the wedding cake beamship footage on the "Ausschnitte/Reportagen" one of the middle layers of the beamship shows movement. In this layer because of the movement each four/five seconds a line of rectangular openings is revealed. This movement looks a bit like the movement of the gills of a fish which open and close. The layer showing the movement might be the layer beneath the layer with the spheres or the layer with the spheres. I think I've seen something like this on TV about six years back and want to check in this way whether I'm mistaken about this or not. Regards, Jeroen Jansen ANSWER: Hi Jeroen, Billy really made a second video of the wedding cake ship (about 10 - 12 minutes). He filmed Quetzal flying around a tree and up the slope of a hill (with the 7-meter ship). Unfortunately the video was stolen even before Billy could make a copy of it (at the Center!). Billy suspects who it was, but even a search done by Ptaah and/or Quetzal brought no result. We would be VERY interested to know where you saw that video! ----------- When I wrote the question I was convinced that I had seen some extraordinary things in a TV program by the dutch station SBS6 (the program was called "Hart van Nederland"). Later I have obtained a copy on video of the tv program I had seen and found out that I was wrong. The video did show three normal Meier UFO movie film segments including the wedding cake segment. So I must have been confused and have somehow mixed fantasy with the truth! Jeroen Jansen | ||
Marc Moderator Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Schantz ~ In response to your post further above: The Steelmark email addresses have been hit by too much spam in the past so we were forced to close down those email accounts. You can now use our Contact form to submit any questions. Of course the Steelmark forum is also another route of communication. I co-own Steelmark in addition to being a member of FIGU Society USA. You may not have know that when you attempted to reach someone from Steelmark. As far as the blinking Join Now banner: Steelmark is a publishing company and although it publishes books from Billy Meier/FIGU it doesn't claim affiliation with any FIGU group. I wasn't so fond of the blinking banner myself but I'm only one voice out of three in the company. Anyway I have turned off the blinking to hopefully allay the annoyance factor. Regards, Marc | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 766 Registered: 10-2000 |
Borthwey, Great observation re the second ring, I've never noticed that before. Also, in Fig. 3 of the WCUFO at http://theyfly.com/newsflash/newsflash2.htm, as I point out in our film, the top portion of the craft has extended out of the "sleeve" and one can detect the difference in measurements here. Meier told me that virtually all of the Beamships have an upper level that extends, where there's actually a...shower. Michael Horn | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi David and Jeroen, thanks for the replies. It was your post Jeroen that I read, pity that you found out you imagined it! It's funny , I had a similar experience with one of Billys other videos the one where the ship hovering blinks out of existance,( with the waving twig in view) I was sure I saw a different version on a youtube video where the craft fades out over a second or so then blinks back in. But I couldn't find it again. I thought it was an original copy that hadn't been tampered with as the footage I'm talking about seems to have been cut and spliced. But I may have imagined it! David are you sure about the footage in front of the house being filmed? I don't remember that being mentioned anywhere. Can anyone else confirm that this movie footage exists and that the top of the craft rotates? Salome Tony. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi David , apologies ,I see what you mean now about the photographs demonstrating movement of the spheres. Thanks. Salome Tony. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 09-2007 |
Tony, Maybe the video that I saw wasn't filmed in front of the house. Am I imagining this? I still think that I saw it, but I can't say much more as this may have back in 2000 when I first got a computer and saw Billy's photos. I have a memory of seeing a piece of footage that showed all those different things taking place, as if the ship was alive. Those gill-like openings were the most intriguing... Unfortunately I didn't download or bookmark it, it was just another video among many on the internet. David | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 09-2007 |
Tony, I must also apologise since the difference between the first and second photos that I posted can be just a 190 degrees rotation of the whole ship. This can be if that feature in the middle ring of spheres (where they are separated by two strips) occurs on the other side as well. In that case, all the different photos may just be showing both sides of the same ship, and the only difference is that space between two spheres on the lower ring, which only exists in one of the sides. Note: in my post 88 I wrote "middle row of spheres" where I should have written "lower ring of spheres" David | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 786 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi Tony (Bodhran), [ "...videos the one where the ship hovering blinks out of existance..." ]. -- -- I also have the original (set of three) Beamship: The Movie Footage Videos (VHS is aging), and to make here a brief comment to your observations. While watching the original, you can observe a sudden increase in the surrounding light (as seen through the camera) just as the ship "vanishes." The same effect of light intensity increase is also seen when the ship jumps back into view. The effect is quite quick (in the original). This is a result of the energy field from the ship which it generates during the 'jumps.' To some observers which may not hear the concurrent narration on the original, which explains the effect. It would appear to be a cut & splice on copies. The narration is probably replaced with some weird music on YouTube, Yes? Further degradation is done to the picture quality from copy - copy - copy, however many multiple generations from the original. Such degradation will cause image blur, and other odd effects. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Rod, I have the beamship trilogy, I never noticed that, I'll go back and look again. The cut and splice I was referring to is the infamous waving twig which stops when the ship vanishes , it "appears" to be cut there, I did read that sections of some of Billys films may have been tampered with during processing, I presumed that somone had removed the actual moment of vanishing then cut the film back in. Enough damage done then to make the film questionable for the skeptics which is what they focus on in this piece of evidence. ( ignoring the fact that there is a UFO hovering on the screen in the first place !) David , I think I'll ask Billy next round of questions to clear my query up. Thanks again guys. Salome Tony. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 433 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Rod & Tony, I thought I read Billy saying that the original film had been cut and spliced and that he didn't have the original and didn't know where it was but assumed it was with some authorities in the US somewhere. His copy was sent to him from the developers. If I am correct Billy didn't know this at first but was later informed by the P. It just adds to the "no proof" quandary for those who need proof. It would be great if you could ask about this in the next Q round, Tony. Chris | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hello to the very dear forum Members I have 3 short question and I wonder if any friend can connect me to the sources if available? comments welcome. 1- Gravity in beam ships and space mother ships, we can indirectly assume from Billy expressions that indeed there is gravity there, but I can not find more good detailed text. 2- we have 10 power to 49 ( and amazingly 49! why?) universes that it could mean , we have 10 power to 49 Creations also? if the Universe is the inner and outer body of the Creation? 3 - there are some findings of long head skull of human forms in the world , if they belongs to the Soneans (Sona race/people) in Dal Universe that are much developed than Plierains and make treatment for Semjase in her accident? we read in contact notes (exactly I dont know where it is ) the same explanation ( long head skull ) about the Soneans in Dal universe. Salome Friends | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2007 |
James, Good news. Your website is finally showing up on the first page of a google search for the name Billy Meier. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/ | ||
José_barreto_silva Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2009 |
Dearest friends of Figu and to whoever it may concern, If you any interest on this information, please: I have uploaded the two versions of the Video about the Fight against OVERPULATION to a online folder of mine where you also can find Space music altogether. I´ve have made two versions of the same Video then: One of them with a short background music and the other one with a longer background music. The texts on the Video presentation were written by Adam Issa a friend of FIGU from Holland. You can download both Vieos to watch it on your own computer by using Winamp/ Windows Media Player or any other video/movie player you wish. The format of the videos is WMV. If you download them both you can enjoy it in FULL display with excelent Resolution and awesome background sound which I´ve chosen specially for these videos in context with the Message contained in it. Please, now, if you wish, you can go to this link here below and download both videos. Watch them both on you Computers and after you yourselves can upload it again all over the web so more human beings will watch it. You will see that watching it on your own computer is much much better than to watch using the small displays on Youtube or Google videos, etc. Spread the videos also if possible on other websites and to other friends worldwide to help in this cause against Overpopulation. There are other Figu friends who have joined forces in the fight against Overpopulation and these videos are my tiny contribution this cause. Enter here then to download it: Link 1 overpopulation-long-music1.wmv http://www.4shared.com/file/97819242/aecf33c1/overpopulation-long-music1.html Link 2 TO overpopulation-short-music2.wmv http://www.4shared.com/file/97820078/5c1b6828/overpopulation-short-music2.html Main folder is this one with music and videos separated by folders. http://www.4shared.com/dir/13945606/758bd42f/sharing.html On Youtube also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RYGwsF4dT4 And also here with longer version: http://wahrheit7x7.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/view/2781722-overpopulation-and-the-destruction-of-the-environment-by-earthly-human-beings- Enjoy it and Salome, José Barreto Silva P.S Keep the videos on CDs for having it any time. P.S If the Moderators consider too many active links please then please Do Not post it and disconsider and delete this message/posting. Thank you. To speak/talk is Silver to be silent is Diamond. From Billy Meier to JBS. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks Jose , it really is remarkable . Salome , Mark | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all, has ayone seen this , it's a bit weird.... http://www.familypastimes.com/Strategy/jsch.html Salome Tony. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 06-2008 |
We should all chip in to buy Billy a copy for his birthday Cheers. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 485 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Bodhran i agree, it's something weird, but there are bits of real truth interwoven in that game, which can help people to get familiar with the spirit teachings. Curiosity can lead everybody to discover the spirit teachings, Billy Meier and Figu. I don't see the game as a threat but as a means to get in contact with the truth. The problems come when people distort/falsify the meaning of concepts like Ischwisch, truth, light, good, evil etc etc. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Couldn't find a price on it anywhere. Comes from Canada - CanaBuks = aboot 80 cents US. ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi Rod What dose your comment No.806 mean?! regard Salome Friends | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 808 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Behzad, Discussion on the game, JSCH, mentioned by Bodhran. Then Ramirez suggested we all chip-in to buy one for Billy. Seemed like a good idea to me. I went to the site to check it out. The game is sold from Canada, and they don't mention 'whatever the price.' Canadian dollar equals about 80-cents in US money conversion, more or less. Exchange rate goes up and down. "Canabuks" is a made-up name. "Aboot" is how they pronounce "about" up there. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2008 |
Ha , I love this forum but there's not many laughs on it, the last few posts gave me a giggle!  Salome Tony. | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2008 |
Rod, Ohhh , sorry and thank you Salome Friends | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi, I posted this before but maybe in the wrong section as it never appeared on the forum, I came across these videos which seem to have recordings of sounds similar to Beamships one from 1981 and one from last year. The 1981 recording was made by two policemen and gets good around the 2 min mark, the other is a sound that appeared from nowhere in a quiet neighbourhood it's very good quality and sounds remarkably like a beamship type noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le9I3_RPQuo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZv_eMZfgaE Just thought it was interesting to have additional evidence that may back up billy's unique sound recordings. If this is innapropriate to post Scot or Marc can you explain why? Thanks. Hi Tony, You were off topic before. Peace.. Badr (Message edited by badr on April 15, 2009) Salome Tony. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Badr, Thanks ,I'll keep this type of info here from now on. Salome Tony. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 06-2008 |
Bodhran. Sounds like my washing machine. Cheers. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 08-2008 |
Ramirez, I'd get it fixed then if I were you, it shouldn't be making that noise.  Salome Tony. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi I was having a discussion on a post on ATS about debunking IIG's investigation of Billy's case and Derek C Bart popped in and made a statement that Marcel Vogel claimed he used an electron microscope to detect Thulium, Derek said this was impossible, it took me a while to figure out that Vogel is on video clearly pointing out Thulium on a spectral analysis print out and I also pointed out that Michael Horn had made this clear to him before in a letter in Jan 2008. Why he is popping in to spread more disinfo when he was caught before is beyond me. Needless to say he did not reply to my arguments that disprove what he was claiming was evidence of a hoax. Have a look here for a laugh. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread455156/pg1 I'm Frankinmouse by the way. Salome Tony. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi J_rod7, During the discussion I was having I had to correct something that was being spouted by one of the posters ,I used a quote from you posted on the FIGU forum to explain it better, I hope you don't mind. They didn't argue back so they may have got it. Salome Tony. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 813 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Bodhran, No problem, friend. If posted on the Forum, anything is now in the "public domain," free for use. In Peace *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 306 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Tony I have been reading the ATS forum as per your link -- I go there every now and then to see how much rumbling is still going on about the Meier cult hoax. And, I can see it is in full force still. I don't want to engage on this forum -- I think I did once -- but I just don't want to any more. However, seeing that you already are in the momentum, will offer a few minor points you may wish to utilize. 1. Alena is not Plejaren -- she is from Satar in the Lyran system, which is part of the Federation. 2. Asket and Nera are not Plejaren either, coming from the Dal universe and therefore not able to be lumped into rules regarding photos coming from the Plejaren. 3. It is clear from the original Vogel clip as part of the Elder's video, that: "......Metallurgical analysis revealed the presence of the rare earth element Thulium. But, it was through the lens of a scanning electron microscope, that Vogel made his most amazing discoveries....." This is my transcript taken from the first 3 mins of the clip. It is pretty obvious from just this, that both a metallurgical analysis and an electron microsope were used. There is nothing to argue about here. 4. Re the raygun issue of it looking like a toy. Here is a description of a Taser: "It looks like a toy gun. It even feels like a toy gun. But this is one toy gun that no one wants to play with. What separates a toy from the Los Gatos-Monte Sereno Police Department's newest gun--the X26 Taser--are two, 1 1/2-inch long probes that can penetrate clothing and skin, and then transfer an electrical impulse at speeds of more than 160 feet per second." Also, from the pictures, one cannot know how heavy the raygun was. It may look like a toy, but that does not make it a toy. 5. Re the ET's looking like us -- well, with a big smile on my face, one can only say, that the story behind that requires the reading of the material. Although some of the material is not free, there is a vast amount that is, and that can be found on the internet and downloaded. 6. someone quoted earlier in the discussion on ATS about Billy disapproving of homosexuality and quoted something from him. In fact, they did not include the reference, but I know that what they quoted comes from the TJ and is not Billy's words at all. Of course, the people on the ATS cannot be expected to understand the full extent of meanings in the writings from Billy and the Plejaren. They are trying to form a conclusion based on incomplete facts. It is close to impossible to make any headway with these people Tony. Another thing -- The Plejaren never intended to prove their existence to the world. In fact their mission is to set up the teachings, and help Billy with that -- and along the way, to keep everyone interested, and to prepare them for those ET's that will come (my guess it will be in the near future) the Plejaren tantalized all those involved, and basically through not overtly revealing themselves to anyone but Billy gave even the Core Group members, something to work towards. People on the ATS just have not studied the material enough to form any decent conclusions. The quality of conclusions they are forming are based on a few really bad photos, that are very controversial. They are also relying on Korff, Winters and IIG to guide them to conclusions. What more can you expect?! One of the most valuable things I have learned over these years of studying the material, is what has been offered as guidance and that is, to not throw ones pearls before swine. If one delves deeply into this statement, there is a rich bounty to be found and very much worth the effort to uncover. Robyn | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 04-2007 |
i was reading the ATS forums and i came across this post from effective unit. This guy puts up a good fight. unfortunately i cant post because im still banned partially. i managed to unban myself to access and view posts but it simply jsut wont let me post. but ill just stay low for now. anyways this guy puts up a good fight. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=277472&page=73#pid6158493 i personally think this is a good post as he is doing his homework. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Robyn, Pearls before swine indeed, thanks for the input. The topic was about debunking IIG's investigation so I was trying to stick to that but did get side tracked once or twice when people were screaming that the Plejarans and Billy were homophobes. I agree it is practically impossible to have a rational conversation with most of the people on ATS, I rarely post there myself, I just thought the topic was worth contributing to. There was one interesting addition when the person who illustrated Kal Korff's books showed up and admitted and had proof that Korff and others had fabricated evidence for his infamous debunking book and questioned the validity of debunkers in general. It can't hurt the mission for the general public to read that I think. The most interesting thing was Derek from IIG's input, blatently lying about vogels evidence and twisting the words of mine and others posts in replying or just not replying at all to any valid argument. I'm done with it anyway now. They can now get back to their alien reptiles and chemtrails. Cheers. Salome Tony. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi all I have noticed a lot of discussion recently about forum post, namely posting of links and Moderators not posting peoples comments. A good idea for people who want to post links is maybe setup you own internet Blog or Website where you can place your own words and links to relevant information. Also the moderators have sometimes a long job here on the forums as is reading through every comment posted on the Forum before being accepted. I have spoken to Badr through emails and I find Him/Her, sorry dont know if you are a man or woman, to be very kind and helpful. She/he gave me the idea on how I should go about researching the Meier material on my own Website and I have to be honest I have learned so much while designing my website, which hopefully will be finished soon. If Badr did not give me the ideas for my Website then I would not of learned more then what I had already learned before the Website. So a big thankyou to Badr. Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 10-2008 |
Badr is a man . I visited the ATS site and found a quote from some sceptic/critic that was exchanging with Michael . The guy admitted that he only gave Billy's information less than two minutes total . I gave ATS less than 20 seconds . MC | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 06-2006 |
Tony re the ATS so-called debate I notice that consistently, the IIG folks keep bringing up that Vogel was not qualified to do a study of the metal sample. If you go to their site, and follow all the highlighted links throughout their piece, it is evident that they are just not thinking clearly. Vogel, was a chemist. That was the label given him at that time. Why this leads them to say that this label makes him unqualified to examine the metal shows that they have little understanding of firstly chemistry, and secondly Vogel's specialty within chemistry. Everyone who has seen the periodic table that is the basis of the study of chemistry is aware that it is a table of the known elements that make up this planet and likely the universe. Billy says they have yet to discover all of them, but they are getting there. He does give a number by the way. One of Vogel's specialty was in Luminescence and in Phosophor technology. If you follow IIG's own link, you will find this about Phosphor technology: "Phosphors are transition metal compounds or rare earth compounds of various types. " Thus, in order to be able to research in these areas, one must have a clear understanding of the crystaline structure of the metals used in this technology. Next, they keep saying that he couldn't have found Thulium using an Electron microscope. This I found confusing, because that is one of the ways metals are distinguished -- using a scanning electron microscope. All that is required is for the person viewing the results, to be able to recognize the crystaline structure, the colour, density etc...... of the metal, and visually they can say what is there. Spectroscopy gives a different analysis to this. From what I can see, Vogel surely in his specialty was perfectly qualified to recognize metals/minerals found in the sample. That is one of the requirements I would think, to become a specialist! Any search on the internet will show you that electron microscopy is commonly used for this. I just can't bring myself to bother getting involved on that forum though. Robyn | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Robyn, thanks for that, I don't normally get involved with it my self, I came across the topic in google while I was trying to debunk something IIG had stated and seeing as there was a chance they might chime in I thought I'd give my two cents. The reply was predictable though and i'm done with it now. Cheers. Salome Tony. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1379 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mark and All.... Well, Michael gave them more than enough - Food For Thought -, I would say. After a while reading the reaction comments of some of those 'narrow minded' zieltjes(souls; so to speak), I kinda sensed that they were 'consciously' conducting themselves in such infantile irrational behavior. Just playing along to Debunk Billy as much as they can. More in the sense of - Disinformation - theatery/therapy....to Brainwash the mass. I guess, they are just Too Afraid to give in, into all the TRUTHS Billy bring forth to them/humanity. Someone, did once say, that the ATS was a CIA set-up(?). If so, than it would explain their very mocking and Ignoramus behavior towards all that Billy has to say via Michael and all whom have posted their, in the advantage of Billy. And they are individuals whom are just STILL: 'Afraid of the Unknown', when actually...it is all being made KNOWN....By Billy! Nothing to Fear, but only...themselves! But still, when trying to make clear the FIGU aspects to such - infantile - Spirit-forms, One should not expect them to understand these Facts Of Life, and Existence. They are just NOT....far enough Evolved to even grasp the slightest concept, of the materials! Edward. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all , just a quick question, why is the postage so expensive for the books from the figu website, I would really love to get the Symbole der Geisteslehre and other books but the postage costs as much as the books in some cases. Is there any way of reducing the postage charges? Thanks. Salome Tony. | ||
Konrad Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2009 |
Hello, I have the same problem. And, furthermore, I can't transfer money abroad through my bank, so it makes extra cost or risk (for example sending bills by post) and time. Salome, Konrad | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Tony . There is not a way to reduce the shipping cost , besides having it sent the slowest way , but fortunately , the book is well worth it . | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Can anyone point me to further information/reading regarding self-hypnosis (self-suggestion)? Thanks Joseph | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1758 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Joseph, I don't know if you have seen this, but the use of affirmations is a form of self hypnosis. http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Meditation_from_Clear_Sight Regards Scott | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi Friends I missed Gaiaguysnet site (mirror), can someone kindly send it/link to me if available? thanks Salome Friends | ||
Villatlf Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2009 |
Behzad, Not sure if the Giaguysnet your are looking for is this one: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/Meier.htm Francisco | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 05-2008 |
Behzad .. or try this http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.htm | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 04-2008 |
WOW, How fast I got it!! My Goodness!!, ya exactly I needed that. thanks to Giaguysnet, thanks to dear Member Villatlf, thanks to dear Member Earthling Regards Salome Friends | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi For anyone who is interested My website at www.ufofacts.co.uk is off line at the moment. Im changing website hosting companies and will take a few day for the change to happen. I hope to have it up and running ASAP Thanks Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2007 |
James Moore, Please correct the spelling errors in the link below. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Clarification_of_a_Defamatory_Claim Spelling errors in the link below. I have capitalized the mistakes. http://us.figu.org/portal/BillyMeier/HisWork/ClarificationofaDefamatoryClaim/tabid/58/Default.aspx Never has Billy Meier ever claimed to be the direct reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Any claim to the contrary is false and ...DE AMATORY..., and is truly based solely upon the speculation by a few mistaken individuals and misunderstandings which ...WI L... be enumerated and clarified in great detail in this enlightening text. In his function as messenger of the ...SPIRITUA... teachings and the truth of Creative-universal correlations and laws, Billy Meier performs a self-imposed obligation that consists of fulfilling a mission in collaboration with extraterrestrial intelligences from the planet Erra (Pleiades/Plejaran star cluster), and completing the task as the sole "prophet of the New Age" through his own spiritual labor. 1. defamatory 2. will 3. spiritual Spelling errors in the link below. I have capitalized the mistakes. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Clarification_of_a_Defamatory_Claim http://us.figu.org/portal/BillyMeier/HisWork/ClarificationofaDefamatoryClaim/tabid/58/Default.aspx At this point a very important and often neglected factor regarding reincarnation or rebirth must be wisely scrutinized: the spirit form, i.e., this minuscule particle of Creation in every human being has the task, at rebirth, to incarnate into a new human body. It is well known that at the time of a person's death, the spirit form leaves the body to spend a certain amount of time in the spheres of the Beyond. There it has the task of absorbing all accumulated knowledge from past lives. During a new reincarnation, the newly procreated, growing human embryo is reanimated on the 21st day by the reincarnating spirit ...FO M... that has returned from the Beyond to this temporal life. In contrast to Jmmanuel's true spiritual teachings, the confused teachings that refer to a Heavenly Father by an imaginary Jesus Christ, contain negative ramifications of lust for blood, of death and destruction, as is also the case with the Bible. By pronouncing the words Christ or Jesus, and based on the true meaning of these words, their evil significance is released through cabbalism – a negative ramification full of negative excesses and manifestations. The same also holds true in this context for the terminology "Jesus consciousness", "Christ consciousness", "Christ principle", "God principle", "God consciousness" and the like. Furthermore, Christianity's "New Testament" elevates a human being into an emissary of Creation and allows the person of Jesus Christ to become a cult worship figure. Jesus Christ's confused teachings point to the veneration of an almighty Creator-God who sits in heaven as creator of the entire Universe and organizer of the fate of the world and all human beings living on it. These are confused, nonsensical Christian false teachings whose absurdity, horrendous contradictions and insanity can hardly be expressed in words. Therefore, it is of the utmost ...IMPORTANC... for human beings on Earth to revert back to the true Creational teachings, and to squelch once and for all every word formation that may be associated with the fictitious cult figure Jesus Christ, no matter how slight. 1. form 2. importance | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 02-2006 |
Thanks Schantz, it has now been corrected. You could have corrected it yourself though. A degree in Computer Science is not required. Prior to editing an article you just need to register an account and log in. Thanks again James James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 03-2007 |
James, Thanks for making the corrections and I will keep your advice in mind next time I see room for improvement. I probably should have worded my suggestion to you differently. It was late and after I read my post again I realized I may of sounded like I was giving you an order which was not the case as I'm sure you know. | ||
Mohammad New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2009 |
Mods-please move this to the right area if this is not. Hi, nice to meet all! So glad I finally found the "Holy Grail" Actually last 3 months I've been quietly familiarizing myself with the material at this website as well as from most past forum posts too. (Was surprised to discovery how very few people are discussing the Meier material at this forum. Its only about 20 or so at any one time. And this forum is for the whole English speaking world! Not a very good sign I think. But still, I feel like I am with good friends and people here) All I can say about Meier and the material is "WOW"! I love it. It all makes simple logical sense to me. (Sadly same can't be said of most of my own kind:race) Dearly love Billy now too. (how could anyone not) Love to be able to give him a big hug one day and say thanks for everything he unselfishly did for us. At the same time I also feel so sorry for him too with regards to all the mocking and misery he had to endure throughout his life for us and the mission. So sad to see everyone laughing and making fun of our dear prophet. That really cuts me that! I also acknowledge the "unspeakable wonders" he had too. But somehow I don't think a man of his spirituality and past life experience would enjoy them or put as much emphasis on them as what one of us would. Mohammad | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Mohammad: I want to welcome you to the forum and say that you are very right in saying that sometimes we don’t discuss the Figu material enough. And yes, this forum is supposed to be for the entire rest of the world who don’t speak German or Italian. In part, I think is due to the fact that not a lot of information is translated into English. Yes, we have the Talmud and two books about Ufology, but I would like to read the other books. I don’t want to wait, so I am learning German so I can read the information myself and have more to talk in this Forum Progress is very slow. The Ufology books are fascinating, but they are more for fun. What really matters is the spiritual teachings. A lot of people are sharing personal translations, which helps a lot. Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 879 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Mohammad, Salaam 'Alaykum Best greetings to you, new friend here with us. Welcome to the Forums. Indeed, the Spiritual teachings from Billy and from the Plejarens is truly amazing. For myself, and most others here, this becomes a lifelong study. There is no end to the knowledge, which when this is applied in our lives, allows us to grow in Wisdom and Love. Feel free to join in anywhere, any thread which you will find to your interest. Sometimes it does get a little quiet, and other times there will be lively discussions going. Your thoughts, questions, and ideas are welcome here. There is one other member here who shares your name, Mohammad, I'll try my best to be clear to whom I speak. Good to have you with us. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 10-2008 |
Welcome Mohammad, your interest is greatly appreciated . Salaam , Mark | ||
Mohammad New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2009 |
Greetings Marcela and Jrod! Marcela I know the german language is the main barrier, but still, there is a mountain of english material in the many contact reports for the english speaking people to talk of. Billy and the P's say lots more people (some in high places) are now starting to read their material but when you look at the numbers posting at this forum, the numbers don't add up. There should be lots more in my opinion. Jrod I forgot there was another member here that shared my first name. I will ask one of the mods to change my name to Rahul which is my middle name. That should clear things up. I don't know how to do it, perhps one of mods can do this for me as soon as they read this. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 06-2008 |
Greetings Mohammad. Practically swamped in wellwishers We need some serious debates to liven up the place but every time we get into overdrive some mod with a ruler in hand starts admonishing us for straying off topic. Ramirez, that was really uncalled for, what would you do in our place?-Scott I agree it's the holy grail alright (Message edited by scott on May 15, 2009) Cheers. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ramirez, This forum is for FIGU and Meier material. Many forum readers are here to learn what the teachings have to offer or to research and investigate the case. Do you realize the moderators have to read all the posts before they approve them which takes up their valuable time for which they don't get paid a dime? I know they have better things to do then to read all the off topic discussions that people post here and many of the readers also don't care to sift through the off topic discussions to find the FIGU related material. Why not start your own off topic forum somewhere else or email each other privately to discuss? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 782 Registered: 10-2000 |
Dear Forum Members, This will be a bit unusual but I'm going to ask you to consider reviewing some information and, if you think that you wish to be active at all in this effort, to please feel free to do so. First, let me acknowledge the obvious regarding not responding to false claims, attacks, etc. under certain circumstances, as you may feel that this is an area where that applies for you. Now, recently I've been engaged in one of my numerous encounters and mini-battles with members of the so-called "exopolitics" group. I am not going to lay all of that out here but I will direct you to a couple of links: http://theyfly.com/Exopolitics.htm (also has links that you may wish to see) http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner%7Ey2009m5d7-Famed-UFO-historian-humanity-may-be-targeted-by-predatory-Reptilian-extraterrestrial-species (please see the comments of Ted Roe) My concern is that groups such as this badly disinform and mislead the public, especially at a time when the Meier material should be gaining greater exposure - and in no way contaminated by the distorted nonsense coming from "exopolitics". I have other information/responses that I've been sending out that I will be glad to forward to anyone who contacts me at my email address. So, if anyone wishes to help, to challenge the proponents of "exopolitics", to inform about the misleading nature of this group, it would be appreciated. One simple thing to do is to demand evidence, proof, accountability, etc. instead of letting their wild claims go unchallenged. Michael Horn | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2008 |
Mohammad (Rahul): You are right, there is a lot of translations of the contacts not only on futureofmankind.com, but also on theyfly.com. I was refering to Billy's books. However, I would like to see a continuation with the translation of important books, like the meditation, OM, origin of the universe, etc.. "Kelch der Wahrheit" is being translated into English, which is great news. Salome | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 01-2009 |
Michael. I left some words of wisdom from Billy and Ptaah on the comments section of that link. I think Billy and Ptaah say it all. But I would be willing to help you if there is anything I could do. My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 783 Registered: 10-2000 |
Stephen, I just saw that, brilliant! I think that if you or anyone else wants to post some balancing comments like those if you come across the disinformation that would be great. We are very much focused here, in this way and that's fine. But I don't think there's anything wrong with speaking up and presenting reasonable comments that rebut the nonsense, as you did. Thanks! Michael Horn | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2008 |
Michael, Thank you for your information regarding the "exopolotics" fabrications. You are right to bring this to our attention. I wanted to bring something to your attention as well which should help us all get a grasp of the potential severity of the fear of "the Greys". During my college years, I majored in mass communications. One of the courses I took was "History of Mass Media" and a topic I will never forget concerned how the media was manipulated after World War II by "The Red Scare: McCarthyism". It basically dealt with misinformation and delusional lies that focused on the fear of communism or "the Reds" at that time. A lot of lives were ruined during McCarthy's debacle and I see the "Exopolitics" gang following the same lines, but this time it is not "the Reds"...it is "the Greys". I find it disgusting that fearmongering generated by the exopolitical propagandists could be a repeat of a terrible time in our history. I located a very good story online that would bring forth the background of "the Red Scare" so it would help others get an idea of how far delusioned people go when they get an audience. It is www.essortment.com/all/mccarthyismred_rmfw.htm Just copy an paste that above and take about a minute to read the background. Replace "The Reds" with "The Greys" and Mccarthism with the Exopolotics theories. I found it to be a very disturbing parallel because of the use of unsupported claims with lack of proof which could escalate as long as an audience is willing to buy into the lie (and the books). Saalome. Johnboy | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 881 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi John, EXCELLENT find and revelations on McCarthyism. This Points to a strategic position of the ExoPolitics movement ... AND suggests a means to take them on. I remember those days, at age 8-years, quite a scare, a period as dark as the Inquisition must have been. I even suggested to my father then, to dig a "bomb-shelter." My father, a warrior from WWII, saw through the nonsense, said no, no bomb-shelter needed. The Inquisition, as we know, resulted in over 18-Million horrible deaths perpetrated by the "Holy See" upon innocents. Such victims then were free-thinkers, or persons someone else took as "odd." Both the Inquisition and McCarthyism resulted in massive fears and insecurity among the people. That WAS their purpose, to force people to live in fear, to give up their friends, to subvert Truth, to compel the force and will of the few onto the social order. This is one of the cracks by which the EXOPOLITICS "movement" may be brought down = the equation of "Reds with "Greys" in an equivalent fear-mongering. ExoPolitics = Inquisition = McCarthyism. Those must be made to see that such fear-mongering can result in self-fulfilling events beyond their control, which can drag them all down with the reactions of the people. Therefore, it would be good to address the people to awaken them to this equivalence. It was the people which ended the McCarthy witch-hunts. It needs to be the people to rise again to put a stop to the ExoPolitics nonsense. They just need to know Truth, how to discern Truth from the nonsense. We are well advised here = avoid the TACTICS of McCarthyism ourselves. Truth and Logic are our strongest weapons. In Peace ... Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 01-2009 |
Johnboy I don't know if you have read from FIGU Bulletin 002 which you can find here - http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_2#.E2.80.98Little_Greys.E2.80.99 Billy explains about the Greys. This might help you Michael Horn Thank you. My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1762 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thank you Stephen for bringing it back into the realm of FIGU which is what this topic area is supposed to be about. Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 883 Registered: 10-2007 |
**~** Hi Scott, Isn't it in the realm of this topic to discuss aspects related to the support called from Michael Horn for "confronting" the ExoPolitics issues? Peace **~** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 01-2009 |
Re Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 04:38 am: To Scott-Moderator *** Where did you put her! *** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, I am a woman from Sweden. This is the first thing I write in here. I am a bit confused about how to do things on this chat room. I hope you will be patient with me. I do not really know what FIGU is and have read just a little about the teachings. The reason I am here is because I am having telepathic contact with aliens. So far approximately 50 colonies as I call them. I have them all written down. Where in this forum am I supposed to write. Would it be better to create a new topic? I need to talk to human beings about this, both for my own sake, but the aliens would like to be heard as well. Kindest regards Tove Hi Tove, I have moved your post to a more "appropriate" area. Please be prepared regarding the type of response you may receive, because other people have come to this forum with similar claims. This forum is mainly to discuss the Billy Meier and Plejaren teachings. Although Billy's contacts have been the focus for many people, the real essence of the mission are the spiritual teachings. Planet Earth/ET Intervention (Message edited by scott on May 18, 2009) First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 885 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Tove ( Toveikalmar ), Welcome to the English International FIGU Forum. You have said: "The reason I am here is because I am having telepathic contact with aliens. So far approximately 50 colonies as I call them. I have them all written down. Where in this forum am I supposed to write. Would it be better to create a new topic? I need to talk to human beings about this, both for my own sake, but the aliens would like to be heard as well." May I suggest for you to go to the Forum Section: » The Mission » "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier » How YOU found out about Billy Meier? There you may introduce yourself to us, write a short biography, and include some of what you have learned from the telepathic contacts. Many of us here will be interested in your experiences. As an example, my own experiences and history are outlined at the following link in the archives of that same section... ::: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/9395.html#POST35730 My wife's Father came from Sweden, and my Mother's Father came from Denmark. So all of us Vikings may have some things in common. It will be good to get to know you. Good to see you here. We are all Humans with compassion, and will love to know more of your story. Please keep in mind, we are concerned here with the Spiritual Truths and the Truth of Creation. Any revealed information from your contacts will be of the GREATEST interest to us, when it reinforces the Truth of Creation and Truth of the Spirit in the teachings from Billy and the Plejarens. In Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1763 Registered: 12-1999 |
Rod, "Many of us here will be interested in your experiences"..please don't speak for the rest of us. How can you assume to know what other people are interested in? Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 888 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Ok then, Scott, I'm the ONLY one here interested. Everyone else will wait-and-see. Is that better? *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 04-2007 |
im not i have a strong intuition telling me that this is some nice chunk of bs. People dont just come out and say they have contact with aliens with 50 colonies or whatever unless specifically requested and some sort of proof. Im not really good at holding back, but expect alot of heat tove. Billy meier stated that very few had contact with ets but most was unconscious. Also the fear of intense ridicule people face for even mentioning anything like et meetings of anything like this. This is my 2 cents. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Mohammad Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2009 |
"People dont just come out and say they have contact with aliens with 50 colonies or whatever unless specifically requested and some sort of proof" Syn, they do if the proof is all in their head. I think somewhere in their lies the reason why they come out like that too. | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 01-2009 |
Tove If you are having contacts with ET's then you will have to provide evidence to back up your claims. Billy Meier from 1975 to well into the 1980's took 100's of photo's. Some of these photo's were analyzed by top investigators in Photo analysis. Also Mr Meier provided metal samples and sound samples. All was analysed and found to be real. You say your having telepathic contacts. Could you explain how the contacts happen? What language the information is coming to you? Billy has learned 1000's of symbols that he can use for long distance telepathy. Also could you tell us what the ET colonies are in regard to their position in the universe? Planet and star systems. Thanks My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1765 Registered: 12-1999 |
Tove is no longer a member of the forum, so there is no need to continue to respond to her post. Scott | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 01-2009 |
Sad, very sad that she was guilty until proven innocent. I, for one don't make decisions until I'm definitely sure and not just based on here say, even if it is reliable! Guys you hurt her very much! Please allow us a choice, our own choices if you don't mind, please! Then when all is said and done make the right choice for you first and not the others! First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2007 |
think we scared her off o.0??? did her acc got deleted or soemthing??? They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1766 Registered: 12-1999 |
I can assure you none of the moderators deleted her account. | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 02-2006 |
Scott please be transparent and let us know the details of her sudden disappearance? thanks, James James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1767 Registered: 12-1999 |
James and everyone, I have checked the user database 3 times, and cannot locate her account. Since we ie; moderators do not randomly delete accounts unless it is agreed and discussed, the only other explanation is she deleted her own account. I have not received any e-mails etc, from her, other than a comment from one of the other moderators concerning this issue. I don't find any mystery here except what has occurred. Granted it seems a bit sudden, but apparently she had a change of heart early on? Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 890 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Well, we will not get into "finger-pointing" here, but some here did NOT make her feel truly welcomed. What I saw was instant pre-judgement, yes - prejudice, at what she had to say. I wanted to hear what she had to say. Some jumped right up and effectively said: "No, not me, let's have none of it, don't include me" My feeling: "How dare you, have you lost your own light?" Very shabby. Now, we here are the less for having treated a tender young Spirit so poorly. ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Mohammad Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 05-2009 |
I would have given her some slack if she said she was having contacts with one alien race, but not 50. She clearly has mental issues, most likely skizophrenia as has been mentioned many times before in the archives. Isn't it better to just come straight out and tell these people that instead of saying nothing to them, or worse, leading them on like one was doing? (sorry but billy says all other contacts are false) Rahul | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1400 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael.... Your links sound interesting, but alas...the examiner.com link does not seem to work from where I live!?? Craches....everythime.... Edward. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 04-2006 |
Edward, I think Micheal is in Switzerland right now, as indicated to me from him when I emailed him about his post. Matt B.... | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1407 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Matt.... Yes, very true. They are at their yearly May gathering, as I can remember. Randy, also mentioned this to me before he left. But, anyways: the site still Crashes from where I am at.....alas... Edward. | ||
Mohammad Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 05-2009 |
Rod I have no idea why you posted this before knowing what you should know (judging by your post count) You should be aware that all other contacts apart from Billy's are false and that her "spiritual" comments and beliefs should not be listened to at all by anyone here? Just curious why you posted that. "Good to see you here. We are all Humans with compassion, and will love to know more of your story. Please keep in mind, we are concerned here with the Spiritual Truths and the Truth of Creation. Any revealed information from your contacts will be of the GREATEST interest to us, when it reinforces the Truth of Creation and Truth of the Spirit in the teachings from Billy and the Plejarens." | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 06-2008 |
Mohammad. "You should be aware that all other contacts apart from Billy's are false" Even Billy admits this is not the case and there are/were other contactees connected to ET's not with the P Federation who the P admit they have not been able to keep track of. Somewhere in the contact notes but there are so many I dont recall which one. Also you might consider anyone can create an account calling themselves anything & link to a picture. The content of a members posts soon reveals their personality & agenda ..... if they have one. So Tove might have been the intention to start something controversial or the work of an unbalanced person who got cold feet. Now we cannot know because only the details of the so called contacts would have exposed all. Cheers. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 895 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Mohammad Rahul, Salaam, Where you have said: "that all other contacts apart from Billy's are false" This is NOT correct, my friend.! ...: Please read Contact # 39, wherein Semjase Told Billy there were then up to that time (as of 1975) a total of 17,718 people "in contact with extraterrestrial forms of life, consciously or unconsciously." Of course, we can be sure that number has increased considerably in the following 34-years up to now. Semjase also told Billy that more then One-Billion Humans had observed various UFOs up to that time in 1975. Also, in the Contact # 43, Semjase gives Billy the actual names of many of the true contactees. She additionally tells Billy of several "highly-placed individuals" (government or scientist) which have had true ET contacts, and Billy was told to keep them anonymous. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/9870.html#POST38567 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [This following, is from Semjase, recorded in Contact #10. I include it here, in addition to the above, as the BASIS for COMPASSION, TOLERANCE, a WILLINGNESS to LISTEN.] Tovi came to us for our help, for a listening ear, for our guidance out of what she felt to be some distress with understanding telepathic contacts. I have to wonder = DID NO ONE ELSE SEE THAT SHE CAME TO US FROM SOME LEVEL OF PAIN? She wanted to share her experiences with us - NOT to TEACH US - She came to CONNECT WITH US, with whomever would could accept her, listen to her. What I said here: ( "Any revealed information from your contacts will be of the GREATEST interest to us, when it reinforces the Truth of Creation and Truth of the Spirit in the teachings from Billy and the Plejarens.") means exactly what it says. So then, where I told her: "We are all Humans with compassion", I must be wrong. SADLY wrong. A young Spirit came, with one foot in the door, in need of understanding, compassion and TLC. She found the door slammed in her face. ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: :::::: Semjase speaks = ::: 103. For only he who is one with the spirit can recognize and do good in the long run, because he has the possibilities of Creation within himself. 104. Nothing negative within the endless universe may touch and enslave him anymore. 105. In addition to this creative-philosophical consciousness comes the practical, dynamic, creative, i.e. the mystical consciousness that consists of the perception of the one reality in all things. 106. Therefore the human has to be a practical philosopher and mystic, and perceive the reality in its changeable, passing forms. 112. Billions of humans look up to the stars in the sky, however without any results or realizations. 113. Astronomers, however, while looking up to the sky, discover new worlds and write books about it. 114. But what they see and recognize, other people cannot see or recognize, even if they can look up. 115. Despite their seeing eyes they are blind. 116. In a similar way this is the case with the normal and the spiritual human: 117. The human, who truly lives according to Creation's laws, sees everywhere and recognizes what is creative, in every life form, in every thing, in every thought and act in every human, in all of nature's work and also in all conceivable circumstances. 131. If the human looks at his fellowman in an external, material way only, he sees nothing other than just exactly the form and figure, the material of this special person. 132. If he looks at him with the spiritual eyes of cognition and knows that this (universally) all-testifying consciousness in himself is also in all the other ones, albeit unknown to them, then the manner of how he sees his fellowmen changes completely. 133. He then does not simply see a man anymore, a woman, a girl or a child, but he sees the fellowman as a bearer of a creative spirit that knows about itself, about its existence, and wants to reveal itself through anybody if there would only be offered an opportunity. 134. He who knows the truth sees his fellowman from this knowledge and recognition, because he sees in him what is creative. In Peace ... Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Mohammad Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2009 |
Rod and Ramirez, my understanding is the P's said all contacts that went along similar lines to hers are false. ("Tove: I need to talk to human beings about this, both for my own sake, but the aliens would like to be HEARD as well.") Is this correct? Have I missed something? If not please show me where in the contacts it says other ET's are trying to be heard, like P's through Billy. Rod I think your the only one here who thinks this Tove ufo case is real. No offence. Rahul | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1771 Registered: 12-1999 |
I don't think anyone here is in a position to evaluate anything Tove stated with any degree of certainty. We are not in a position to determine her mental state, nor are we qualified to give her advice. She only wrote one post, which is not enough to determine the authenticity or sincerity of her statements. Please lets start getting back to the topic heading. Thank you Scott | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 01-2009 |
I not getting into this argument but Wendele Stevens on a video called - Reopening of the Meier Case talks about a person he and lee and brit visited in Amsterdam. A man who was having telepathic contacts and was receiving information. American troops was there trying to locate a signal that was coming in at about 4 pm everyday. the person who was having the contacts he said it was about 4 pm. The contact was in a form of automatic writing. Something to think about Thanks My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Villatlf Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2009 |
What can we learn from Tove´s suddenly appearance and disappearance? I am fairly new in this forum, learning from Billy Meier case, so my point of view is from a novice… just that. I think more Toves might come in the future. How are we going to deal with them? I have a suggestion: Would be nice to have a balance, not too hard, not too sweet. What is the purpose of this forum? I think it is learning from Billy´s experiences, and learning from Plejaren teachings. It is? . We may share, and talk about our own experiences, but the main focus is Billy & Plejaren teachings. Is that correct? But it does not mean to react abruptly and negatively to somebody that we may think is hallucinating. We can be patience and let that person know the purpose of this forum. Probably, that person, by learning from Billy´s experiences, and matching them with his or her own experiences would reach a better understating of the way the Universe works. We could be open to the idea that “hallucinating people” can “see the light” by learning from Billy. We could probably suggest to people like this (like Tove) to write down her own experiences in a web site, send us a link, and who ever what to see it, can go there. If somebody is not interested, so he will not go there. The Forum is not the place to fill out with this kind information but a link can be interesting for some of us. So, not too sweet, not too hard. Salome, Francisco. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 604 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Francisco, Welcome to the English FIGU Forum. There are many different people here at this site, and reactions to sudden incredulous claims will generate all types of responses. To be fair, the moderators do allow posts such as the one 'Tove' posted. But, something truly obvious appeared immediately when the contents of 'Tove's' post was analyzed with simple logic( the logic one needs to understand if in agreement with Billy's materials). If someone had been in contact with 50 different alien cultures, their understanding of spirituality would be far along and not necessarily presented in a way that belittled such a statement that was made, if it were true. Simply said, after communicating with that many different intelligent lifeforms, chances are you would be a much more evolved being than what we were exposed to in 'Tove's' post. This is just my thoughts on that non-event. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1416 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jimmy.... I will post here, ok? As you mentioned, not discussing Time Travel. I have neither, come across such...as you mentioned, in the FIGU materials. I can only speak of some encounters that I read(here-and-there), which certain individuals have had in the past, and have said...that they were taken into an average size craft...but...when they entered the craft it was inside some 5-8 times larger than it would look from the outside. But, these experiences were from individuals whom said that they were taken aboard an alien space craft. And of course, it is quite difficult to confirm their experiences, if based on Truth, as with many such like cases; or of abduction. I, myself, do think, that such mentioned aspect is possible, Manipulating the atomic structures within the space craft to configure the size(or visa vesa, through manipulating some sort belt-advice, which makes it possible for the being to reduce him/her-self in size?). I once had a dream/vision, and encountered a Sphere object of about 1,60-70 meters in diameter. And what I found odd, was that three dark tanned(Dark brown) humans/aliens(?)jumped out of that small configured Sphere! First think I thought was: they all could NOT fit in that small Sphere? But it seems...to be the case and perhaps they could do the mentioned above? But, again, this was just a dream/vision. [Will not go into details.....] So, the above mentioned are just examples...of it being possible, with the right technology, I would think. Edward. | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 01-2009 |
Re: Villatlf Perfect Balance 333 First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 06-2008 |
Francisco. Tove could have written practically anything with the only gatekeepers being the moderators. If it sounded reasonable or possible Scott, Badr, Jacob are quite accomodating at giving people a chance to express themselves. Tove might have been anyone with whatever sort of motive, however without a chance to read & analyze the contents we can never know. Also as often stated this forum is not a venue for "coming out" UFO contactees. Cheers. | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 523 Registered: 01-2004 |
From my own personal point of view, and I am not speaking for the other moderators Scott and Badr, I draw the line where freedom of speech and expression is abused in the form of personal attacks with the sole purpose to belittle, demean or degrade the person because of his/her opinion. Nevertheless accepting or denying posts is a tricky business and not perfect. I noticed that some people responded quite energetic to Tove, however we must keep this in mind: Billy's teachings aren’t 'his' teachings, he teaches them, and brings them to the people, but in fact, the teachings are of the Creation, the Absolutum and everything that is in existence in the whole of BEING. We must come to a logical understanding and true knowledge about them, without resorting to statements like 'Billy said', etc. Quoting people without truly understanding what they are saying is not far away from believing instead of knowing. We don’t want to believe, we want to know. Knowledge requires hard studying and experiencing the teachings in practice, which will be far from easy. Just my 2cts Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 606 Registered: 07-2004 |
Well said Jacob. A valuable 2cts at a proper moment. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 904 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Thank you Jacob. Your contributions are worth a LOT more than 2cts. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 915 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Best Greetings to EveryOne, This is something to be shared here. Krishnamurti, a man of wisdom speaks of the Real Revolution, a revolution of Consciousness. Is this not what we here are all about? = A Revolution of Consciousness?! An Awakening of Spiritual Consciousness, indeed, when the knowledge from the Plejarens, from Jmmanuel, from Billy finally seep through the cobwebs. The Silent Revolution of Truth may have other voices. Here are the First recorded words of Krishnamurti, in two parts from 1966. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvz3BdB2EE&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qy6YZSseAo&feature=related [ "This 30-minute documentary is the first from an original series of eight made for television in 1966. They were the earliest sound-films of Krishnamurti speaking to audiences." ] Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 05-2008 |
Rod - I got into JK a few years back. Amazing guy. Then I got into the other Krishnamurti, UG Krishnamurti, who knew JK well. I liked him as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqTz6gG2M9Q&feature=channel_page http://www.ugkrishnamurti.net/ I suppose those 2 have somehow or other led me to Billy. Hope you're doing well. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 618 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Rod, You ask this; "This is something to be shared here. Krishnamurti, a man of wisdom speaks of the Real Revolution, a revolution of Consciousness. Is this not what we here are all about?" No. This not what we are here about. We are here about the teachings of Creation that Billy Meier has returned to us for the final time. Any other similar writings are about those particular writings. We are here to learn, discuss and comprehend the EXACT teachings of Creation, not the, 'almost just right teachings'. If you allow your thinking to expand on this, the knowledge that does the greater good will be from the actual source. It's up to you to decide what is the actual source. I've already decided. Have you? a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 918 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Shawn, So you are NOT here for "A Revolution of Consciousness.. An Awakening of Spiritual Consciousness"? ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 10-2008 |
Miscellaneous word for the day : Senseless Bickering . What this word means for me , besides many other things that aren't relevant to this thread at the moment , is that people say far too much , and their comments incite negative responses that are intended to be positive . They are all intended to be positive . But it turns out to be something like a sheepdogs barking to control people who just happen to be out in the field with their laptops typing to a forum . In essence , that was two words . Three words of advice , just drop it .It's an eyesore , a deviation from what we are here for . Noone is right ot wrong , just habitually cranky . MC | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 04-2007 |
kingman its the same thing the spiritual teachings IS the revolution of conscious They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 621 Registered: 07-2004 |
Reading my remark to Rod, I do sound like a wind bag. Mark is clearheaded here. Rod, I offer my apology for what was an unnecessary snipe. Being that I'm aware of your commitment here Rod, there really was no need for me trying to be some sorta hall monitor and point out something so simple it's really pointless. I guess I was trying to read more into what you were actually communicating about. Does this mean I have to turn in my hall monitor badge? a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1421 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jimmy..... Will post here, ok. Well, the Plejarans did mention, that there were even...Horses in North America! In contrary to what is generally known: that horses were only... existing in the (European/)Arabian countries, and exported to North America(,etc..) during the discovery of the continent. Even some people I know here, still 'believe' that horses come from Arabia, and region. Which is of course...very erroneous thought of mind. I have read about horses being much smaller many millions of years back(in the North American continent), from books I read as a child; so, these books I read Confirm, what the Plejarans mentioned. So, the horses DID exist in North America and evolved to what she is now. Edward. | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 05-2009 |
Thanks Edward, Do you know if there are horses on Erra and if the Plejarens like taking them for rides in forests and parks for fun like we do? I wouldn't say this if it weren't for reading in the book (And still they fly) that some/one Plejaren likes regularly taking his earthbuilt 4WD into the bush for picnics and stuff. I guess zipping about anywhere on Erra is done in a flash and with no sensation of body/ship movement, no fun and probably get boring after a while. Funny, he/they like unwinding and doing things like going for picnics in the bush and the old fashioned way, the earth way, and why not, the trip there in a 4WD is the best part. Maybe the same applies to horses on Erra? | ||
Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2009 |
Hello all I have to agree with Rod here on J Krishnamurti i have all the tapes of this man and this is real wisdom.i wish that all humans where like him.then we would not be in the kind of trouble we where iin now. i wish that all of mankind watch this man speak. if anybody wants to know him i can send you the videos that i have.I have about 30 hours of video of him. Salome,Erik | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1422 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jimmy.... "4WD"...??? It may have slipped my mind, but I can not recall this? [But, I am familiar with the Earth vehicle collection....] But, concerning the Horses: the Plejarans always insist, that all animal life should roam around Freely in their natural environment and habitat. They kinda, dislike our Earthly approach in how we 'cage in' them in ZOO's, etc... So, going on Horse Back; perhaps...perhaps not? I think someone once mentioned, that the Plejarans did not approve of riding on any type of animals. Perhaps in their past history they may indeed have utilized horses for transportation at one time, just as we do(; or similar animals)? Then, they were in a similar state of evolution we are in. I think, this would be an unenviable phase in Man's evolution, processing...and which can occur....where ever, within Creation. Edward. | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Edward, I thought I read it in the book "And still they fly" but it might have been here somewhere or in one of MH's PDF's. I remember it specifically said a Land Rover 4WD from UK. I don't understand how the Plejarens can say that when Queztal keeps a cow locked up (i presume) on his acre block? That would make him worse then us because we have our horses on 10 acres and we thoroughly enjoy taking them most weekends for rides in the State Forest next door. I wasn't referring to animals that are locked up in zoo's. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1423 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jimmy.... No, I do not think Quetzal has the cow locked up. Or what ever animals there may be in their posession. They surely must be roaming around freely on some vacant pasture. The ZOO, was just an example. Edward. | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Edward, I meant Queztels cows is free to roam (locked up) on his acre block compared to our 2 horses that are free to roam on our 10 acres of vacant pasture as you said the P's said we should have. Thats what I don't understand. Another thing is that we lovingly take care of our horses and we are pretty sure that they like their weekend rides and our company too. I appreciate all the help/time your offering me Ed, thanks. | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 05-2009 |
One more thing is that Queztal (p's) uses his animal for its milk whereas we use our animals for leisurely rides and company/pets. Aren't both uses ok and within the laws of creation and spirit teachings?? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 805 Registered: 10-2000 |
Tonight's radio show: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Nocturnal_Frequency/2009/06/08/Nocturnal-Frequency-Radio-Michael-Horn Michael Horn | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Michael I listened to your interview. A lot of things I myself knew already but was a good interview. Its interest that after the technical problem you and the host experienced that a caller had not heard of you or seen your website, Just goes to show that your work is still, after all these years, is reaching people and making them look into the Meier Case. Thanks My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 05-2009 |
Jimmy, In some cases, as when one has a small farm, it is preferable to use animal labour when possible, such as workhorses & oxen, since these do not produce as much pollution as tractors (unless you can get a hold of some cheap or free energy system without endangering yourself). House pets are totally outside the bounds of the creative commandments/laws and are unacceptable. If one lives on a large plot of land, though, one may keep domesticated animals -outside- of human living quarters, as in a dog house, a stable, or a barn. One can keep the animals warm using insulation and heat lamps, etc. You may find a good overview of how to construct a small farm in 'The Self-Sufficient Life and How to Live It' by John Seymour. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2009 |
Thanks for your help/time Edward and Matthew, I understand the situation now. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all, don't know if this is a hoax or not but last week two people supposedly saw a large ship hovering in a field in holland which was later identified by one of the observers (a young boy )as matching a description of a plejaran beamship, he was supposedly shown a photograph of Billy's and said that he was certain it was the same ship. Link: http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?articleID=21031 You can babelfish or google translate it. Salome Tony. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1424 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Ed... Welcome to the FIGU board. Will post here, ok? I am very familiar with UFOs being sighted in Friesland, the Netherlands. This has also been the case for many decades. Like-wise concerning Crop Circles. [Alas, I never had the possiblity to go there and to do some researching, for myself...; eventhough, I have Fries roots.] If the boy Robin, had posted his own picture than that of Billy, on the site...we could distinct if it were a Plejaran craft. So, we can not judge from not seeing his image(s). Plejarans DO, "Scout" around, as I understand it to be. Even though a greater part of their Mission has been fulfilled. Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2008 |
The Pleiadians - Billy Meier - Randolph Winters Interview (Part 1 of 5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8enOxSYWqw in part 4 of 5 Randolph Winters claims to have seen a photo of the inside of a Plejaren beamship. Can some please tell me if there is any truth to this? The reason why I'm asking is because if I'm not mistaken Billy wasn't allowed to take such a photo. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 04-2007 |
yup but its fuzzy n stuff They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 643 Registered: 03-2004 |
BEAM took photos of Asket and Co. inside of a Timar craft at the border crossing between universes but I was also under the impression that it was forbidden that he photograph the controls etc of the ships. He did also take pictures from inside the crafts toward the outside through the windows and using a monitor screen sort of device as well. These mentioned pix are available around the web. | ||
George Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
Mike thanks for the info on the Greys. Billy said: 'Some of the dead beings were small extraterrestrial, grey-skinned humans with very large eyes and small mouths who sometimes had only four fingers on their hands, etc., etc. Some other dead beings were bio-organic androids, but the American military and scientists failed to recognize this fact and, subsequently, the bodies were judged to be extraterrestrial human beings.' My question here is who crated those bio-organic androids? What are they doing here? What is their role on Earth? Who controls them and for what purpose? They and their 'horse shoe' ships were discovered as early as 1909 in New Mexico caves by our military(Phil Schneider). Thanks George} | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1432 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi George.... If you conduct a Search with the Search Engine, you will obtain more insight. Has been discussed, here...in the past. Could be any type of ET beings whom sent them out on a mission; with the knowledge, that uncountable numbers of ET groups have crossed Earth's path (from our own dimensional as well as Multiple dimensional). And would for 'scouting'(or what ever else...) sent these greys out; which is the obvious. As far as I know, is: that the Distortion of the whole Greys Scenario was generated somewhere in England, and made it's way to US, and elsewhere; and last but not least: Hollywood, who (over-)exaggerated this whole aspect. But indeed: you/we have to make clear Distinction between - Fact and Fiction. Edward. | ||
Bianca Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2009 |
To ALL the interested people who live in melbourne Australia, I extend [once again], an invitation to form a group. Anyone who is interested may reach me at my email: brecht777@gmail.com | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Bianca, Do you think you will have enough people in Melbourne to form a group? I asked a question here about forming a center in Australia but so far its been unanswered. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/10196.html#POST41537 | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi Bianca, Now if you lived in northern rivers nsw australia I would take you up on that. Anyway good luck. Peace John | ||
George Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Ed thanks, I used search engine before I asked this question. My concern is that they(Greys)could be waiting for the last day when Billy is gone and Plejarians are gone for ever like they told us. Similar situation occured in the past when Syrian overlords were gone and then Lyrians took over and became our gods(our unending sad story). George | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1435 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Geroge.... Ok, I see what you mean. Well, as far as I can make out is: that there is enough FIGU related information out there for us Earth humans not to conduct us as we did in the past. Thus, we will/would be more Conscious in adapting any type of alien being as being GODS. But, of course, what also holds true is: not all earthlings have yet understood and comprehended the Meier materials, as most of us on this FIGU board, though. And at one time: these humans have to 'grow' into the Spiritual Teachings as other related Meier materials, etc... But, as Billy and Christian once mentioned: the Meier materials have reached their destiny/goal - governments, presidents, etc....- which is quite Positive, and they will be on 'guard' to not let such scenario happen to us once more idolizing ETs as (their) GODS, possibly. And would want to hold on to their own power. [Prophecy did mention of later face-to-face contacts with Alien life forms; which seems to become reality when we are 'adult' enough to 'handle' such events; which I think means WHEN we have become Truly (Creational) Spiritual, in Being.] It is true, as I understand it: WE are on our own, when Billy passes away and the Plejarans are gone. And have to evolve independently, once again, but with the Spiritual Teachings in our possession...prospects would be much more favorable and Positive for us all. We just have to - grow up - further.... Edward. | ||
George Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Ed, yes I agree the true information did reach it's destiny. Question still remains - is this going to be enough? Let's compare Syrian Overlords Exodus from Earth with what we have today. Back then before Syrians left we had knowledge of who we were, we knew the dangers if we were located by Syrian pursuit fleet. We had Technology and Science at the higher level then today(huge migration from Mars requires use of much more sophisticated technology that we've got today) - yet with all that going on already Syrian Overlords were still able to strip us of all this knowledge and know how, destroy our cities and their remnants( like recently they did it on Mars)probably exterminate 75% of the population(kill all those that were too smart). Leave only the base intelligence level populous that immediately went on the degenerative side. So question is - can we have the repeat of the same process today when New World Order people(they also seek a complete control over Earth populous) and Greys already have similar types of plans ready to be executed at any time that will give them maximum optimal results - comparable to what Syrian Overlords did? Concerned George | ||
George Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Ed, yes I agree the true information did reach it's destiny. Question still remains - is this going to be enough? Let's compare Syrian Overlords Exodus from Earth with what we have today. Back then before Syrians left we had knowledge of who we were, we knew the dangers if we were located by Syrian pursuit fleet. We had Technology and Science at the higher level then today(huge migration from Mars requires use of much more sophisticated technology that we've got today) - yet with all that going on already Syrian Overlords were still able to strip us of all this knowledge and know how, destroy our cities and their remnants( like recently they did it on Mars)probably exterminate 75% of the population(kill all those that were too smart). Leave only the base intelligence level populous that immediately went on the degenerative side. So question is - can we have the repeat of the same process today when New World Order people(they also seek a complete control over Earth populous) and Greys already have similar types of plans ready to be executed at any time that will give them maximum optimal results - comparable to what Syrian Overlords did? Concerned George | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 950 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello George, The greater parts of your questions will be answered in Contact #251. In conversation between Billy and Ptaah, there is this: Billy Too bad. So the Earth is without an Jshwjsh now. Ptaah That is not quite correct, for there still exist descendants of old "gods" who will make themselves heard. But I am only allowed to report about it to you confidentially, if you are interested. We could reasonably ask here: "WHO are these Descendants of old "gods" which still exist?" The knowledge is not given, but we may speculate. "Still Exist" will mean they are still here on Earth. Being from the "old gods" would imply that they still have advanced technology available, including Space-flight Vehicles. That Ptaah reassures Billy of their existence, tells us that they are Benign AND are looking out for the interests of Earth Humans. Further, by their interest, They would have the capacity and the will to repel any "invasion" from malevolent ETs, such as "bad" Greys. As to "is this going to be enough?" It has been said that the mission is become like a great Stone, which carved from the Mountain, will roll on out into the whole World. The Mission will endure, as will the words and writings from the Plejarens and from Billy. Please read Contact #251 to understand the full context...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 In Peace ... Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 06-2008 |
"Ptaah That is not quite correct, for there still exist descendants of old "gods" who will make themselves heard." From the current batch of US politicans who stands out as being an example of elevated consciousness consistently defending a position of enlightenment & common sense as we here understand it ? Cheers. | ||
George Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Rod, I read Report 251 many times since 1996. What is certain is that Giza Intelligence had a free reign on Earth for the last 12,000 years. So what is the 'descendants of old "gods' track record for the last 12,000 years as concerning assistance to the Syrian population(us)? Salome - Peace in wisdom George | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1437 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi George.... The only Negative - influence - (or what ever, it may have on us humans) I can think of now, is also mentioned in the Prophecies and which concerning - The WOLF -, if my memory serves me well. This Wolf scenario seems to have Negative influence when arriving to earth(?). You will have to read the Prophecies to become familiar with the details. [Or conduct a Search on this board; think it was discussed in the past.] And as far as I know: there is not much known yet of this Wolf symbol/ character/figure, at this time. So, this mentioned character seems to be a bit similar to what is known to us as The Beast. But, now...The Wolf. Thus, we have still....very much to unravel!! But, anyways: we should be On Guard...for the upcoming encounter with The Wolf...in our upcoming future to be.....[Perhaps she is here to enslave man once again, perhaps not? Let us still be POSITIVE in our Thinking and ways of Being, I would say. When we meet her....than...we will truely known; thus, let us not start prematurely....creating our Demons.] THINK of a Positive Earth/World with Peace and Harmony and Equilibrium. Edward. | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2008 |
Once we are somewhat space-traveling, the wolf/threat will be brought back from space by us either through carelessness or other reasons, and falls under as a warning/prophesy. Tien | ||
George Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2003 |
Thanks Ed I'm familiar with that too and many other prophetic writings by Billy. As you know Report 251 is already do for some official editions as concerning the Destroyer etc. The biggest negative influence coming is WWIII. It is not easy to stay optimistic when you know that there is still a possibility for WWIII to start on Nov 2009 if President Obama does not play it 'just right' - we maybe able to dodge it if he does it 'the right way'. Then comes Nov 2011 another test of the good will for present government - basically if they don't come up with with alternative Energy resources by then The New World Order(Beast/Brotherhood+Grays) has a very good play to pull the China, Russia and USA into all out power struggle for the control of energy resources in the Middle East culminating in WWIII. This is not a time to sugar coat anything. This is a time to ask some hard questions and to make sure that Plejadians&Billy did not make another miscalculation/mistake(that has happened) concerning such a complicated scenario of events coming at us very quickly for the next 2 years. Salome George | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2008 |
George ; Concerning your commentary "....if they don't come up with with alternative Energy resources by then New World Order(Beast/Brotherhood+Grays)" , would you mind revealing your source of this bit of wonderment ? It doesn't come from the Geisteslehre/Billy . So why don't you let us in why this is knowledge ( or disinformation)? MC | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 06-2008 |
If you appreciate the manner in which everything has become commercialized to promote materializm and if the prevailing mentality of those in control continues space, it's exploration and opportunities will become just another commercial venture rather than genuine scientific enquiry for the sake of learning. Like comparing Richard Hoagland to Warren Buffet. So the astronauts find some cute furry creatures on a planet and someone at mission control brainstorms an idea that these creatures would be ideal as the 23rd trading bubble ..... replace your boring passe cat or dog with a Mars Wolf .... does ticks, house trained, sings the song "If I had a family, I'd bite them in the morning" in 17 languages, no child should be without this ideal family pet Cheers. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 953 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello George, As you rightfully point out: "...Giza Intelligence had a free reign on Earth for the last 12,000 years. So what is the 'descendants of old "gods' track record for the last 12,000 years..." Why did they not intercede during all that time then? Well, as far as the Giza, The Plejarens ALSO KNEW of their existence and their meddling for a very long time. Yet they took no action against them until they directly attacked the Mission and the Plejaren Spacecraft - Then "enough is enough" as they say. Only Then were the Gizas rounded-up, deported, and their base destroyed. IMO, the still existing descendants of the old gods operate under the same non-interference directives as the Federation. As to the prediction of the 'Wolf' then, also in C251 is given this from Billy = [ "...dangerous diseases and epidemics will be brought back to Earth by way of space travel, along with the exceedingly vicious 'wolf' as one prediction calls this horror, which could be a horrifying animal or a deadly epidemic. The definition of the "wolf" is not clear yet and its explanation is still pending. According to the prediction, this deadly factor will be introduced or carried to Earth either by ordinary space travelers or lawbreaking space travelers." ] (IE, Space-travelers from Earth going out into the Interstellar Space, bring it back. /Rod) --- http://www.theyfly.com/Contact%20251.pdf Absolutely agree with: "This is a time to ask some hard questions..." We must apply Logic and Reason to find the Solutions which answer the hard questions, AND get the "right people" involved with the implementation. It descends onto the shoulders of those of us with awareness of the Truth to become ACTIVE in the promotion of Truth, Logic and Reason. This is a call to take a stand, raise up, knock on some doors, write Letters to Editors, to the United Nations, to the People of Earth. People cannot ACT on the Truth if they never hear it. ACTIVE = ACTIVISM. One Spirit came to Earth 2000-years ago and, even though the Truth was buried, the world was changed. That SAME Spirit is back on Earth again NOW, and this time, the Truth will NOT BE BURIED. Let's Light our Torches from the Fire of this mans' words, and carry the torches out into the world. Un-Truth and Ignorance must be burned away. Truth must come before Peace. With Peace then comes Wisdom. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
George Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sure, Mark. We're coming upon the prophetic dead line set by Billy Nov 2011. There has to be some reason/s to start a WWIII. You just don't wake up and say oh let's have ourselves a WWIII today. One of the major reasons of course would be control of the energy resources(China adds 20000 new cars per month on the the streets of her country) they all need gas. So common sense, logic - whatever goes bad now may escalate into Grand Scenario that cannot be stopped and it will pull everybody into confrontation for the resources based on the scarcity factor driven of course by the overpopulation. Semjase talked about the Beast in 1975 in her first contacts. This organization is also known by another name by American Indian Shamans - Brotherhood. Check all 4 videos from Phil Shneider on You Tube- 'http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8180572860678943465&ei=pUYkStyTM52wqAOE5LiqAw&q=phil+schneider' and you will know why I added '+Grays'. Give yourself a little time to think about what you heard and saw. Billy and Plejarians will not acknowledge any official government dealings that would be too dangerous for Figu(us). So you have to be reading little between the lines here. Salome George | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi All When I first started looking into UFO's and before i found Eduard Meier (our Prophet of the new age) about 4 years ago I looked at the works of Phil Shneider, William Cooper and other websites. For a time I was convinced that these Greys was interfering with Earth Governments. But since reading and understanding who Eduard Meier is and what his purpose (Mission) in in his current incarnation and doing my own research on the things Eduard and the Plejaren have said through out all these years then I completely changed my thinking towards this Greys hysteria. My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 01-2009 |
..... as a continuation of my last post (I hit the wrong button, ooops) Thinking logically if there was all these Greys flying around abducting people etc why would they want our corrupt Genes to make a hybrid human or to have off spring with. Logically thinking there truly must be 1000's of other Human races in our Milky Way that do not possess our corrupted Genes and would be a better choice for any hybrid reproduction. Also there is the negative ET hysteria put out by the media, governments and other swindlers like exopolitics and other so called UFO researchers. These UFO researchers waste their own time and their "followers" time with stories and photo's of blurred lights and objects in the sky, where as our good friend Eduard Meier has the best, un proven to be fake, un duplicated "UFO"/IFO pictures that exist today and 1000's of related notes and information which most of it can be proven to be true if people care to do their home work. Eduard and FIGU have published more information that could be dangerous for them then these Greys. IE Bafath, letters to G W Bush and other governments around the world. Also the Talmud Jmmanuel and other non religious information. The Greys would not be a problem for FIGU or Eduard to tell the truth about. For further reading for anyone who is interested: A search on Futureofmankind website with the search text "greys" http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Special:Search?search=greys&fulltext=Search What Christian of FIGU has said about Phil Schneider. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/7634.html#POST29073 Thanks My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 06-2008 |
Stephen_moore. "Also there is the negative ET hysteria put out by the media, governments and other swindlers like exopolitics and other so called UFO researchers. These UFO researchers waste their own time and their "followers" time with stories and photo's of blurred lights and objects in the sky." This is a continuation and modern day adaption of a time tested strategy of social engineering used for ages by the various ruling elites. Build public houses, sell alcohol and other distractants (drugs) thereby enticing the public to waste their health, time, money, creative energy complaining about the government and various current topical issues whilst in actuality doing nothing tangible to correct social deficiencies. The UFO - new age movement is littered with sponsored distractants & misleaders. Congratulations ... for some logical insightfull thinking Off course it makes sense that choosing a genetically altered (for the worse) race to act as a base for hybrid reproduction is an extremely dumb move & genetic suicide. Cheers. | ||
George Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2003 |
Why would the military secret service murdered Phil Schneider for talking a lot of nonsense(13 attempts on his life within 1 year - provable). George | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 01-2009 |
Why dont you contact the military secret service and ask them? Or apply for information under the freedom of information act? My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 05-2009 |
Above Topic Secret website/forums are doing a good job of desseminating disinfo & misleaders on the net. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 04-2007 |
i dont think the military would tell you somethign thast this sensitive info ATS is a joke, they do disinformation but pretend there legit, go look at the main billy meier thread, and look at it where indogo_child and effective unit kick it in high drive. the ignorant is stupid high. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks , George for stating your source of information . I'm one of those people who insists that this forum remain about FIGU information ; the hear-say-from the -web items should be classified as such . MC | ||
George Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ok guys, you don't need to remind me what Figu stands for. I'm a paying member for a last 7 years. So I will excuse your religious fervor - I understand you. I just heard about Phil S. stuff and some things just do not add up here. There seems to be some missing pieces of the truth here and our organization is dedicated to establishment of the truth. It is obvious that Billy &Plejarians do not know everything. They have to go back repeatedly to the memory banks and get their information straight too. So I'm trying to push the envelope of ignorance and obtain some information and understanding of the real situation. We just got rid of Giza guys in 1978 and they were controlling us like fools for last 10,000 years. Phil S. said that Large Grays sit on the secret UN meetings and dictate policy for the New World Order. That sounds like a new Giza team taking over because they know that other guys are gone and pretty soon Plejarians are going to be gone for ever and IMO guys have policy of noninterference. So they will run us like fools again for another 10,000 years. Or maybe it's time to be smarter then that, figure out the real situation and demand more from Plejarians before they are gone for ever. peace in wisdom - salome George | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 05-2009 |
good to have/know someone here who insists on keeping everyone honest for us. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 637 Registered: 07-2004 |
Large Grays require large proof. I would hypothesize that this type of information is more logically part of the military industrial complex's dis-info, fear producing formula. To obtain enough money for their future weapons programs, they need their boogey man to be imagined by enough citizens who then demand to be protected from this new enemy. Asking the, wait, demanding more from the Plejaren is, well, let's say lacking responsibility for our own selves. a friend in america Shawn | ||
George Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Shawn, why would this be irresponsible to ask Plejarians to find out if Grays are presiding over secret UN meetings. Do we have intelligence gathering ability equal to NSA or CIA or better - because you actually have to outsmart those guys before you can get info like that into the open and if you're lucky enough to do that by some miracle what are you going to to about it if this is true and Plejarians are gone? peace in wisdom George | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 210 Registered: 10-2008 |
George . Actually , you do need to be reminded what FIGU is about , and especially since you insult us all with your comment about 'religious fervor' , I have to accept that you are not cognizant of the simplest of things concerning FIGU . However , a live and let live philosophy is proper use of tolerance , some send some hate if that's your manner. That seems to be the best you can do . If we were face to face you would swallow your words , as well as your tounge . But your comment of being a paying member deosn't entitle or afford you to abuse me here , son . MC | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 639 Registered: 07-2004 |
George, If this were the case, the Grays involved in our governing, the P's wouldn't necessarily just leave us dangerously exposed and allow all their years of assistance fail in its goals. I sense fear based emotions in your focused concern on this idea. I realize your asking for more data to help you find a conclusive resolution in this concern, but its going to be your path to follow . Maybe, if you research enough with all your skills, you can discover what this all really means. Search the sources, check their credentials, check the validity of the credentials, study what you have, add it all up, sleep on the results, then when the sun comes up the next morning, go outside and enjoy all the things you find beautiful. a friend in america Shawn | ||
George Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 03-2003 |
A comment about 'religious fervor' was designed to stop somebody from insulting me but of course you did not notice that. Maybe you give me an example on what is that that I'm not cognizant of - you're getting way out line here. You better know what you're talking about. Right now it is you who is insulting and also threatening me. And if you think that such manner and behavior is helping the Figu mission and her image you better think again. I introduced some contention points here for resolution and I can argue those face to face with anybody including Billy if they so desire. PLejarians are threaten and pursued by somebody(read first paragraph of Report 251) there is high probability that this is Grays that maybe the reason they cannot help a lot with Grays in our world government but that don't excuse them from letting us know the truth and giving us some way/assistance to defend ourselves from another period of enslavement coming when they withdraw from Earth. George | ||
George Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 03-2003 |
I think that it's time to meet face to face if you like - all of you are welcome. Please reach me at SKYPE address = madeyski.george. If you can't do that my cell = 708-807-0267 Do not forget to plug your internet cam and mike on. I like to see you face to face. I well be on line for your convenience for the entire week. sincerely George | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 960 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** OH... Ruffled Feathers. Guys, the best we can do here is respect each others opinions, ESPECIALLY when they differ from our own. There must be polarity in all things, or there would be no progress or Spiritual Evolution. Opinions are like bodies ... everyone has one, but we each live in our own. George, Despite "evidence" to the contrary, the world IS NOT GOING TO BE OVER-RUN WITH GREYS. There are two primary forms of UN-Truth: MIS-information and DIS-information. MIS is from unintentional errors, and DIS is from intentional false mixed with truth. Which have you been looking at? How do you know it's not? In Peace ... Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 664 Registered: 03-2004 |
The Plejaren were clear and direct in saying there are no extraterrestrials= in any Earth government nor controlling them.=A0 That says it all I think = unless you believe the Plejaren or BEAM are just flat out liars.=A0 It cann= ot be both ways. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2008 |
Drop it . | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi All My internet is down for the next 2 weeks so I can only log onto the internet using a mobile phone briefly. Regarding the Greys I have never read in any FIGU material or anything that Billy has prophesised for the future anything about the Greys. Thinking about it. If you was a space traveller and sent android life forms to scout out a planet and investigate the life forms on that planet and you found that the life forms (Humans) was so far behind you in evolution and technology would you bother sitting around with the governments of that planet if you wanted to take them over and enslave the people. The Greys could take us over anytime they like and if they was going to they would of done it years ago. In the 50's, 60's or 70's. Yes we do have some sort of protection from the Plejaren but I think that the Greys are not the threat. Anyway this is my last post on the Greys. Back to FIGU and Billy related posting for me Thanks My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk |
