| Author | Message | ||
    Consolato Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2005 |
hi Mtbstephen, i'm not going to take sides in this little debate here about wether or not your telepathic because I wouldn't know either way if you were telepathic or not. Whatever billy's answer to you is regarding the question you sent him, I'm just hoping that you know whatever his answer to you is that you can rest assured that it would be the truth. But i guess you probably already know this anyway. I'm just posting all this here in the hope that you would do the sensible thing for yourself just in case billy happens to tell you that those voices in your head are not due to you being telepathic, and the sensible thing for to do then is for you to go seek some professional help for the benefit of your future mental well being. I'm hoping you understand why I'm saying all this here is because I don't personally know you for me to get a greater idea of the type of person that you are, and hoping you see the only reason why I've said all this here is for your benefit just in case billy tells you that your not telepathic. Con | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear All, (Dyson, Vivianne, Jacob...) Could someone help me out with regard to dictionaries that is best suited with the type of words used by Billy. This is maybe mainly addressed to the above mentioned unless there others that could help... I am mainly thinking of (GERMAN-GERMAN) If there is a German - English might be good as a referance for now. If i remember correctly the FIGU group also use dictionaries are there any specific ones, i guess mainly names or authors of dictionaries that would help me. If someone could maybe tell me where is the best way to post to figu the question (email, german forum...)if there is a list of recommendation }just incase no one has one. Thanks in advance Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Junior, If you find a good German-German dictionary, let us know. We need a couple. We mostly use the New Cassell's English & German Dictionary © 1958,1962 & 1965, Cassell's School Dictionary 21st edition © 1964 and the Collins German Dictionary & Grammer, 3rd Edition ©2004 (which is decorated with crop circles!) And we also use the freebie here: www.quickdic.org Cheers! Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 06-2005 |
A question to Dyson, Somewhere on the forum I read what you wrote in regard to a wordly change taking place, of all places here in OZ. It started me thinking... but I cannot figure it out, since this country is so sleepy. Could you please elaborate? thank you. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli, I wonder if your question to me was spurred by this week’s (unsolvable) double stabbing murders of the Irwin sisters (one of whom worked for the Good Morning Australia TV show in Melbourne), and the resultant (police) shooting death of a man who is seen by the police as THE main suspect. I hope Australia grows tired – or at least suspicious! – of Deputy Police Commissioner Simon Overland’s “Now we will never know” remarks, in light of the Victorian Police’s unbelievably bad track record in this tragic area and his outrageous assertions on our site regarding this Doctor Michaelson scandal we are embroiled in. (www.gaiaguys.net/victoria.htm ) . I think it is precisely BECAUSE Australia’s public is “so sleepy” and the foxes have been permitted to get among the chickens to such a degree that the carnage is becoming so internationally noticeable now. I really do think that the “catastrophe we have to have” (according to BEAM) will start here in the weakest link of the supranational chain - Australia. Arguably, it’s started already, with the blatant breakdown – from the top - of the rule of law, where highly placed Freemasons in the police, judiciary and legislature have secretly sworn terrible oaths to defend and support their Brothers, even when they are members of the elite protected pedophiles Ordo Templi Orientis (a.k.a. Eastern Templar Freemasons), invented by Aleister Crowley, with (obviously) a lot of assistance from the Bafath. From our standpoint, the Eastern Templar’s most recent press release is the last we’ve heard from them and our bags are long packed, but we are still here cranking out the truth. What’s happening? Nobody will tell us, but it seems the tide has turned. As our local sheriff declared several months ago as we invited him in for a cup of coffee, after serving us with our summons to attend a preliminary bankruptcy proceeding, “Secret societies cannot exist in the Information Revolution”, (or words to that effect). So all their silly secret handshakes are no longer a safely undetectable method of covertly identifying oneself to one’s occult Brethren. In 2006 they have become an unavoidable way of identifying these criminal cabals to the rest of us, who they call, “the Profane” and do not accept as even human. This social decay is nowhere more rife than here in our wide brown sunburnt land. Poor fella my country. Australia is an odd place. Don’t get me wrong. I love it here, and will fight anyone who impugns my devotion to the place, but we are a former penal colony, on a former penal planet, and that dark synergy still resonates loudly. The current Australian Wheat Board bribery scandal which has finally broken in the U.S.A. is a contemporary example. Similarly, I think the ruling Zionist elite would have very likely historically viewed their “comfort woman” Australia as a safe bolt hole in future times of their blood flowing in the streets of their “Promised Land”, as revealed prophetically. In light of our slavemasters always secretly possessing copies of the Talmud Jmmanuel, let’s just review a little of what The Great Man had to say in Chapter 24 to these vile scribes and Pharisees – 43. "You brood of snakes and vipers, how can you aspire to be great in spirit and in consciousness when you don't possess any understanding yet? 44. "All the righteous blood that was shed by your doing on Earth will befall you, beginning with the first prophet your fathers and forefathers murdered, to the blood of Zacharias, the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar, as well as all the blood that will be shed in the future because of your guilt. 45. "You will be outcast among human peoples, and then you will alternately lose the land you took by force, regain it and lose it again well into the most distant future. 46. "Truly, I say to you, your existence will be a continual struggle and war, and so the human peoples will smite you with their hostile thinking and enmity. 47."You will find neither rest nor peace in the country stolen by your ancestors by way of falsehood, deceit and fire, because you will be haunted by the inherited burden of these murders through which your forefathers assassinated the ancient inhabitants of this part of the Earth and deprived them of life and material goods. 48. "Hence all of this righteous blood will fall upon you--this blood which was shed by your forefathers and through you, and which will still be shed by you and your close and distant descendants into the faraway future. 49. "There will be hatred against you in this world. Even the new age will bring you neither rest nor peace until you retreat from the land you took by force, or until you make a conciliatory peace, create brotherly trust and unity with your enemies, and renounce your wrongful and stolen rights. 50. "You brood of snakes and vipers, this will happen to you into the distant future. Yet not by accident will you have a fortuitous chance in the new age when my teachings on Creation's justice and laws will again be disseminated, so you may then seize the opportunity to end and settle the world's hatred against you by means of an honest peace. 51. "Therefore, in the new age, heed my teachings, which are truly the teachings of the laws and directives of Creation. Pay heed when they will be taught anew, because this will be the sign of the time at which many things will change. The power of the mighty and tyrants will crumble, so that the peoples of all humankind become free. 52. "In the coming distant new age, heed the renewed presentation of my teachings of the spiritual and Creational forces and laws and directives, which are valid for all times and throughout the universe, so that you may act according to my counsel and that there may be tranquility and peace among you and all human beings in this world. 53."Truly, truly, I say to you, all this shall be fulfilled and come upon you and upon your people long into the future, as I have told you." And please don’t forget that we can recognize the Creational Laws by observing nature. It is the nature of a sealed container under mounting pressure, like an inflating balloon, to fail catastrophically, and the point of failure only needs to be a teeny-tiny bit weaker than the rest of the system in order to be the weakest point which fails first. Bang. Or think of a house of cards, or the proverbial straw-laden camel’s back. Or think of The Emperor’s New Clothes. www.gaiaguys.net/newclothes.htm It took one innocent child to announce the all too shockingly obvious and dethrone the foolish Emperor. The rest is history, the best of all teachers. I hope this has been helpful. I’ll include a few reading suggestions if you are interested. www.gaiaguys.net/ET-ETHICS.htm www.gaiaguys.net/NSHotline3.2.03.htm www.gaiaguys.net/NSH24.7.05.htm www.gaiaguys.net/vic.humanrightsreply2005.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2005 |
In the book And Yet T. F. it is mentioned that Billy might be meeting other ET human life forms called "Druans". What was the meeting about, and who are they, what is their function for planet earth? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli, They are very nice, peaceful people, apparently, who have recently joined the Federation. I don't think they have a function, per se, for our planet. Druan is in a galaxy far far away. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi everyone: My own little experience showed me that argumentative and thickheaded person need someone else to argue. By keeping answering (and giving importance) to some of the non sense if i have seen , it just give credence to them and gives them attention, and encourage them to continue. It takes 2 to tango, don't forget. At work, at home, with family... Quote from PTAAH , during contact 376: "Stupidity, weak intelligence, lies, slandering and reviling can be fought not by justifications, but only and alone by a willful and reasonable silence and by neglect"; Thank you Ptaah!! Brillantly said. Side Note: For those that haven`t started yet, learning German is surprising cool!! Why i have waited so long? Dear moderator: could you start a thread for those who learn german? There is a lot more to be said on this than about red sirians with curly horns ... Tschüss! Good idea Eric, I'll look into it Thanks Scott-Moderator | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, We've got some new stuff @ www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm And MUCH more in the works. And one big trick question. Yours in anticipation, Dyson | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2004 |
can anybody help me? i was wondering how i go about finding out where all those people who talk about the meier case are going to be, like all those u.f.o. conventions and the like. like michael horn and the others. is there some website that has a list of times and places, thanks? | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 491 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Peter, Here's one link: http://www.paradigmclock.com/conferences.html Also, I try to post info pertaining to my lectures at www.theyfly.com. Nothing new for a while though I'm going to be at the New Living Expo in San Francisco on a UFO panel discussion on April 29: http://newlivingexpo.com/2006/html_files/DiscussionPanels2.php Michael Horn | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks for the links what about vancouver in british columbia? i dont think we get many of those kind of conventions down here though. | ||
James Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2005 |
Greetings scouts! Here's a nice little tool to help you translate websites and blocks of text to and from other languages http://babelfish.altavista.com/ Simply enter the following URL to translate the deutsch FIGU language website to English http://www.figu.org/de/figu/index.htm . As you can see now you are able to view items such as the German bulletins rawly translated. Please read with diligence. Here's another site that contains a list of various online dictionaries and translators http://www.multilingualbooks.com/onlinedicts-german.html If you find any more accurate tools please share! And of course you should not take the above as a substitute for learning deutsch! live in wisdom, James Welcome to Earth! | ||
James Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 07-2005 |
Please excuse my haste on my previous posting regarding the online tools. You will be unable to view the bulletins, only the contents on the front page and drop-down list. You can then copy and paste paragraphs of text into the block translator. You will also NOT be able to translate the German forum into English. If there's a way to get around this please let us know! Welcome to Earth! | ||
James Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2005 |
or alternatively you can copy the URL at the top right of the bulletin e.g. www.figu.org/ de/ figu/ bulletin/ 55/ gene.htm but remove the spaces after the slashes then paste it into the URL translator like this www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/55/gene.htm Welcome to Earth! | ||
James Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2005 |
or better to access an index of the German bulletins enter this url into the translator http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/bul_index.htm and to access the special bulletin index enter this url into the translator http://www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/so_index.htm Google and Yahoo also offer a similar service but Google doesn't translate for some reason. Yahoo also works well http://tools.search.yahoo.com/language/ Sorry for all the posts :o) Welcome to Earth! | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: Just sharing some thought: As i make effort to slowly understand FIGU material and learning the pre-requisite German, it becomes obvious that to really absorb a material and put it in practice (i mean to really undertand) requires effort, time, comtemplation, hard rational thinking, in other words long hard work!! Learning foreign language adds to the effort and complexity, i have to accept i have to work more than another, that`s just the way it is. Someone really needs to be ready in his evolution to undertake these efforts. Only by these efforts results can be obtained. I feel this is why FIGU do not make it too easy, if it was too easy for all of us, the necsssary evolutionary steps would be missed out. For the seeds to grow on fertile soil, the farmer needs to work hard, patiently, to get fruits at the end of season (in addition to have fertile soil!). The encouraging thing is the realization that those efforts are not in vain, for in this life and the next ones to come we will get the benefits with absolute certainty if genuine effort are taken now. Tschüss Eric | ||
Janimetso Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Eric, You speak aloud the words I have just been thinking myself. Yes, it is absolutely necessary, in my opinion, for Man to make an effort if he wishes to evolve and learn. It is often that people whine how they can not do this and that, yet they don't even make a real effort, or none at all. It seems that people too often think that different skills etc. have to come to them without them pursuing such things, as if Man couldn't perform many different things and feats etc. unless "he is born with the skill". I, myself, being Finnish, need also to learn German. I welcome the process of learning, however, no matter how stony and thorny the road may be. Kindly, Jani | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 03-2004 |
Regarding Eric & Jani's above postings. For what it's worth, I agree with you both 100%. But the effort is NOTHING compared to the reward! In my experience, the elemental power of truth DELIVERS on all the false promises of the religions, and then some. Salome, Dyson | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 01-2004 |
can anybody tell me which of the billy meier books have "the code" present in them? thanks | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 780 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Peter, The Talmud of Jmmanuel contains the code on the German portion of each page. I believe the Spirit Lessons (German) also contain the code, but beyond that I couldn't tell you. Norm, mentioned to me some of the German audio CD's available from FIGU also contain the code, but I can't confirm which ones. Regards Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 807 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, That was a guess on my part, I'm not totally sure. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, Here's the low-down (to the best of my understanding) on the codex: www.gaiaguys.net/kodex.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hello, Whoever it may concern, THE CODE Every single book written by Billy with the help of the Higher Planes Spiritual Beings (WE-FORM). and also the help of the Plejaren has this Code. IS NOT A WRITTEN Code, instead IT IS A SPIRITUAL Code. It is very hard to explain how does it works but one has to read in german to FEEL it. It is of no use to someone to look on how to read this "code" one will never find it in other langauges, other books. One thing I can say is this: When you read the Geisteslehre books and other books some kind of SPIRITUAL POWER comes into action in your spirit-form, mind. I have no words to explain how "does" it works as I said. Is exactly this code those who are unaware of Billy´s teachings and Mission CANNOT 'read', feel or understand. I can say this 'code' is a FEELING INSIDE one´s spirit. The funny thing is when this SPIRITUAL POWER or code embedded in the writings IN GERMAN LANGAGE ONLY triggers - so to speak - for the first time IT CANNOT BE STOPPED ANYMORE by anyone on this Planet and the DOOR OF PERCEPTION opens for you. This is all I can say about this code BY SELF EXPERIENCE and is the most sincere words of mine to those who do not know what is 'code' about. i wish i could tell more but I cannot...even if I knew all the languages, and words of this planet Earth I even so I would be able to explain to you how does this CODE works it is IMPOSSIBLE maybe for a JSHWSH it is. I do not know if this is the proper word to use here but believe it or not IT IS 100% TRUE and debunkers, liars, self-deceived out there will take thousands of years to begin to understand this. This 'code' is only one of the REASONS I do not give a damn to debunkers, self deluded bozos, and billions of idiots know-it-alls out there who try to destroy a Truth nobody can destroy and never will. There are more things behind the Truth of the Mission a human being can dream of... Der Beobachter Edelweiß _________________________________________________ "Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel; denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..." "Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..." | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum Hi everyone I was wondering if the code in the english translation of the spiritual teachings do work for some minds although I've read that due to the limitations of all other earthly lanuages, especially english, the coding could not be adequately given which is why it is stressed that people learn the high German language, so that the impulses from the coding can work for the individual. Why I ask, is that although written language itself has its limitations, the vocabulary itself in the end is imagined and certain impulses and pictures are conjured up inside the mind of the reader not to mention the experiences of those words to the individual, yet I stress that everyone I believe is different in how they interpret or experience the same word as it is relative to the person experientially. Of course orange is an orange irrespective of the language or the region, the culture, race, nationality of the person but they bring their own unique experiences to interpreting what an orange is although given the uniformity of the substrates of the mind that does the seeing, feeling, perceiving and conceptualizing on the physical level it nonetheless must be different in a psychical level therefore my question is- Could the coding nonetheless work even at a minimal level? Seeing as people must interpret and think the German translation back into their native tongue anyway to understand the meaning, there is a paradox here, especially for the non-native German speaker who is learning the language. I guess at the same time the impulse it is said, works irrespective of whether the person understands the meaning or not as long as it is read properly. But then again are the advantages of utilizing the coding through understanding Greman facilitate in better assimilation of the teachings necessarily or non-natives to German can nonetheless benefit from what little translation material is out there in english? I gather its what you make of it in the end seeing as to really change spiritually, the individual's perceiving, seeing, feeling, behaving, willing, being, attitude etc is mainly dependent on the will and the desire rather than knowing alot about spiritual matters as book learned knowledge yet if it doesn't change being then what use is it really? Thanks fellas | ||
Der_beobachter Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi there again, Dear Newinitiation, Only Nokodemjon knows how does it work...but the the 'thing' is indeed quite Powerful. (in Creational terms.) "...Dieser Vorgang ist unbewusst. This process is subconscious..." EVEN IF a person does not read german language and, for instance, somebody who speaks/read german reads the TEACHINGS in german language in a LOUD voice to a non german speaker/reader listener the code will WORK even so in the spirit-form or consciousness of the listener. This is written in the Lessons of the Spírit Books (Geisteslehre, books which, by the way, CANNOT BE TRANSLATED IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE of this planet Earth) A correction here: In my previous posting about the code in german language I meant this: "I can say this 'code' is a FEELING INSIDE one´s spirit... This is all I can say about this code BY SELF EXPERIENCE and is the most sincere words of mine to those who do not know what is this 'code' about. i wish i could tell more but I cannot...even if I knew all the languages, and words of this planet Earth I even so I would NOT be able to explain to you how does this CODE works it is IMPOSSIBLE maybe for a JSHWSH it is." Newinition the KEY is here: "the vocabulary itself in the end is imagined and certain IMPLUSES and PICTURES are conjured up inside the mind of the reader not to mention the experiences of those words to the individual..." Please read this excerpt: In den deutschsprachigen Text dieses Buches ist ein altherkömmlicher Evolutions-Code eingewoben, der auf Vernunfts-Impulsen aufgebaut ist. A long-established evolutions code, built on reason-impulses, is woven into the German language text of this book. Durch diesen Evolutions-Code werden nur Menschen angesprochen, die eines fortschrittlichen, vernünftigen und zumindest teillogischen Denkens fähig sind und die sich bewusst um die geistige und bewusstseinsmässige Evolution bemühen und in diesem Rahmen auch nach gutem Gewissen und Können die schöpferischen Gesetze und Gebote befolgen. Through this evolutions code, only humans would be addressed, who are capable of progressive, rational, and at least partly logical thinking, and are conscious of the spiritual and measure-of-consciousness evolution effort, and, also, in this framework, in good conscience and ability, follow the Creational Laws and Directives. Bei diesem seit alters her existierenden Evolutions-Code handelt es sich nicht um eine Zwangsform, sondern einzig und allein um eine impulsaussendende neutrale Kraft, die die darin einbezogenen Menschen anregt, ihre eigenen vernunfts trächtigen Gedanken und Kräfte in vermehrter Form zu entwickeln und zur Anwendung zu bringen. This existing evolutions code, here since ancient times, is not about a form of force, rather, singly and alone, about a impulse-sending neutral power, that stimulates the humans involved, to, in increased form, develop, and to bring into engagement their own reason-striving thoughts and strengths. Bei diesem Evolutions-Code handelt es sich in keiner Weise um Kräfte mit suggestiver, magischer, okkulter, religiöser oder sektiererischer Wirksamkeit, sondern einzig und allein um absolut neutrale Impulse, über deren Annahme und Ablehnung jeder Mensch durch sein eigenes Denken und Handeln selbst entscheidet und bestimmt. This evolution code is not, by any means, about powers with suggestive, magical, occult, religious or sectarian efficacy, rather, it is, singly and alone, about absolutely neutral impulses, over which the acceptance and refusal is decided and determined through every human's own thinking and action himself. And Dyson and Vivienne are right about the Codex Read more at: http://www.gaiaguys.net/kodex.htm Der Beobachter Edelweiß _________________________________________________ "Lernen, ohne zu denken, ist eitel; denken, ohne zu lernen, ist gefährlich..." "Learning without thinking is vain. Thinking without learning is dangerous..." | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 599 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jose Good Friend... Very very Well..explained! Your mentioned, given Knowledge will contribute great Insight to those whom are new here. There is just a Great "Difference" between - a Code and A CODE -..as you have Knowledgeably explained. And hopefully...They will FEEL/Absorb...The Vibration(s)!? Edward. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 210 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear friends Thanks very much for the clarifications der_beobachter. Seeing as the knowledge pertaining to the code has been understood well enough on my part according to what the definition of 'CODE' really is, I came away with the understanding not by reading a few lines of the contact notes but had to do so in the broad scope and entirety of billy's information by piecing many many pieces together. I don't think you can adequately understand something like this without doing some adequate reading and study in its comprehensive format. To clarify a bit more about my original question, my queries stem more from having witnessed for myself what positive changes the spiritual teachings have had on my life. Now because I speak english and am in the process of learning German, I cannot see how with my limited abilities in German, how I can utilise the coding when its simply absent due to myself studying this material in english rather than German, yet knowing that irrespective of whether the impulses from the coding has taken place on a subconscious level or not, I nonetheless benefit from the teachings to a great extent depite limited materials available in english compared to what is available in German. I am thinking about paying someone to read in German line by line, whatever materials I have at the moment and recording it for use because my German is not yet up to scratch for me to feel confident that I am pronouncing the words correctly given the limitation that comes with self study especially concerning pronounciations But all in all I feel fortunate to be in the company of wise and genuine people who in lovingness instead of conceit, they care to help others in need wherever its warranted. thanks | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2004 |
Ho ho! Newinitiation! :-) Go to www.readplease.com and download the free German-reading text-to-speech software! ENJOY! Dyson | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Board: As a rule, in my professional dealings, when i have to answer a rather controversial e-mail, i learned over time to write a response, and save it as "draft". I then re-read it 1 or 2 days after. Having such a look back helps you keeping perspective of want you really want to say while keeping in mind people may feel attacked or interpret differently your words. I usually read answer to my post here on this board 2-3 days after, for similar reasons. Interesting fact is this was learned from my own mistakes i did some 3-5 years ago. Very effective, learning by mistakes... Maybe this hint could be useful, from recent trend i have seen on this site. Peace to all of you. Salome Eric | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2005 |
Can anobody help me with information about the human Aggressor gene, the gene that keeps us humans still in our 'barbaic' state of mind and makes us what we are, when will it be reversed? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 06-2005 |
Could someone please help me find Billy's Book of Directives; all about everyday living, but I am not sure that it's available in English?? An example was posted by Dyson about milk consumption and related calcium issue as practiced by the Plejarens. thanks. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Melli, "The Human Aggressor gene", per se, might be a simplistic way of looking at this problem, because genetics is a very complex science, and I’m guessing that the ancient ET genetic engineering, from which we Earthlings now suffer so grievously, involves quite a large number of independent damaging modifications. Through recent studies of identical twins, many dangerous behavioral traits, like religiosity, are well known to be very heavily influenced by our genetic makeup. And I’ve read in the contact notes that, as well as the tendency for a lot of us to want to be willing unthinking slaves, we also suffer from various cancers and, for instance, Alzheimer’s disease, as a direct result of this prehistoric evil … not to mention progeria, in which we all grow frail and die at about one tenth of our natural human life span, and often long before we Earth humans even emotionally mature at around the age of 70, when the Erran humans first “come of age”. I read last night from Ptaah in book #8 that it will be “many years” before our scientists find the solution to this tragic disorder and correct it, largely due to the ignorant false-humanitarians who thwart our destiny by screaming about “the evils” of any genetic research. If they only knew! :-( By the way, the mystery of Henok telling us in OM that our delicious and nutritious avocados ("pig pears") were not edible and only fit for animals, has been solved! According to book #8, they were genetically engineered in prehistory into a wonderful human foodstuff by beneficent ETs, but subsequent to what was written so long ago in The Book of Truth! Good, eh? And our friends from the stars are evidently now doing it again, because the ripe wheat seeds that are harvested from the middle of “crop circles” have all sorts of amazing improvements to them … quite well proven by independent exacting scientific methodology … like being able to grow up to FIVE TIMES as fast, with many many more grains per plant, a much lower requirement for moisture and soil nutrients, etc. And it looks like it was ET’s (the same ones?) who got us cranked up for the Agricultural Revolution in the Tigris – Euphrates Valley some 10,000 years ago, too, as suddenly all this pretty useless grass appeared transformed overnight in the fossil record as the useful grains we all eat today. WAKE UP, EARTHLINGS! www.gaiaguys.net/chilbolton01.htm As far as Derektiven (Directives) is concerned, Melli, you can buy it here: http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?cPath=21_29&products_id=46 , but, like 98% of all the VITAL information now available for the very first time to us Earth folks, it is only in the German language, and, as Ptaah once said, “Earth humans do not want to know the truth”, (especially the English-speakers!) so don’t wait for any translations any time soon! If I were you, I’d get busy learning German, which is (according to the Plejaren) destined to be our world-language anyway, as the European Union (a.k.a. “666”!) has now adopted it instead of French, and the degenerate USAmerican empire now finally collapses before our very eyes. The Federation has a great deal to say about this wonderful German language, (which is maligned and beleaguered by the same people who also do that to all the other important truths), which we hope to be able to add to www.gaiaguys.net/translations.htm as soon as time allows. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Dyson, I like your last post, when I read the OM and got to the part of nutrition related to Pork or Pig meat, and then talking about the avocados I was wondering can it really be that avocados is only for the consumption of animals, but good you cleared it up. As I don’t have time to read the contact notes, I didn’t buy it yet. Been more busy catching up with the other books… Regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello Dyson, I have been reading your post # 247 and prepared a really long response about the GE issue and not just about the 'aggressor gene" but after reading what I wrote again, I decided that for symplicity reasons I will try and explain what I undersand with a shorter version: I now understand that the issue of GE is as old as the stars and there is nothing I can do about it to change it, but I will continue to support Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth because I think that they need the support and I always support the 'underdogs', unless of course you might explain things which I don't know about. But from a very long and grueling personal experience I think that I have arrived at a logical understanding about the organic nature of Mother Earth and have come to the conclusion that forcibly altering Nature the way GE is pushed onto the farmers and subsequently onto people's diet is irresponsible and it will not achieve a desired outcome for human physiological health and balanced psychological well being instead it will hinder the progress into spirituality. (although I might be wrong because I don't know all the facts from Billy's writings but...) Instead if GE was practiced with true positive outcomes in mind, beginning from organic substances maybe then we would advance quicker? Scientists are well aware that GE food creates health issues not only in the animals but also in humans. These foods contain only minimal traces of required nutrients because eating GE food in 1 day alone we consume some 500 different chemicals and probably even more. In contact # 217 notes Quetzal says: verse 35: .... today's food also fruit and vegetables that would be ever further over-bred contain less and less of these substances, so the earth human should ingest these seperately or as nutritional supplements added to normal nourishment". In 2004 the One Millionth chemical was approved for use by the american FDA. These chemicals are derived from the oil that polute our oceans, atmosphere, our crops and the food we end up consuming, in fact 85% of our daily economy and stock market are dependent on oil, isn't this the reaon wars are invented amongst many other spun lies? another reason we have Global Dimming and in the 70s this was called "The Green Revolution" I will call it the GREY revolution. There are many stories about US agribusiness and desperate farmers in India committing suicide because they couldn't feed their families after GE crops failed to make them 'richer'. And on the other side of the coin we see happier ending to interesting events like farmers in the Punjab region, who kidnapped Monsanto representitives demanding that they leave. After a few days the guys were released unharmed and Monsanto left for good. In Afriqua women take the leading role in farming and indeed educate farmers in organic and traditonal practices. Some 70%-80% of European farmers refuse to saw GE crops because of their unsustainbility and problems with digestive disorders and so on. BTW, the wheat we eat today is a hybrid, which usually means that the male gene partner is 'erased' from the gene pool and therefore the growth must be accelerated by chemicals like Atrazine, and a by product of Agent Orange and so many other herbicides and pesticides that have negative outcomes on the human endocrine system, specifically the female endocrine system, because she is the carrier of the next generation,(this is a topic by itself) and yes these are used in OZ, as in the US and all major exporting nations of wheat, GE Soy, and corn. Centuries ago, wheat was crossbred naturally by the farmer with the careful aid of Mother Nature, and contained a mere 7 chromosomes, today it contains 42, the list of differences is too numerous to mention. So I am scraching my head trying to understand how previous genetic manipulation of the human DNA suppose to correspond with today's genetic engineering practices ??? why is it meant to be good for us when in fact it's destroying biodiversity? Is this the "natural barbarism"? if so, then I will stop worrying about the poor buggers and immerse myself in the positive side of life, rather than continue teasing my brain trying to figure out WHY is it so and how I should help? I live by the motto of "Live and Help Live". But maybe I've got it all wrong? The other issue that I have been trying really hard to understand is this: you have published contact # 217 notes about milk consumption, where Quetzal explained that the calcium issue is a lie. verse 33; Actually milk, especially cow's milk contains many substances that cannot exactly be designated as promoting health".... I don't know if you read the website Not Milk but here the good doctor explains clearly the lies of milk consumption and calcium spins and how one protein altough identical between cow and human is causing many cancers.(Insulin Growth Factor-1) (I often wonder if this ex Monsanto scientist got 'Help from above' and this is why he wrote his open and honest website about milk?) He explains how consuming an animal product doesn't do us any good, primarily because we are 2 different Species, and we should not be mixing an animal substance with human biology. "Milk was uniquely designed for the young of each species to GAIN weight" and when we consume it we also gain weight, it affects every cell in the body every neuron and every nerve, and cells continue to multiply. Also, "US research into meat and milk found that a non human Molecule found in red meat and milk, makes its way into the human system when eaten and seems to build up especially in tumors, it is called "Sialic Acid" found in animal cells and not in people. This maybe the reason why animal to human organ tissue transplants do not work well. Humans have been eating meat for centuries, thus it could be possible that humans have developed a kind of tolerance, however most humans are continuing to make antibodies against it." So after I read what you wrote from contact notes, that people who suffer from cancer because of "the tendency for a lot of us to want to be willing unthinking slaves, we also suffer from various cancers, for instance Alzheimer's, progeria..." I am completely baffled to say the least. Does this suggest that people's spirit before they are born, children included, decide that one day they will teach themselves a lesson by becoming ill so that they can search for the truth? better understanding of Nature's laws and directives and also food production and consumption and thus respecting nature and what is given to them? maybe they are meant to shed the slave shekels and become thinking responsible humans living according to Creation laws and in harmony. SO, because we were genetically altered, we are suppose to be 'fighters' and we are, we go to war quite willingly; and so with this in mind I will hypothesise that because our DNA has been altered we were and still are encouraged to consume meat which is of different DNA naturally, and this in itself would make our psyche more 'aggressive' would it not? after all we are consuming animal blood and animal hormones, which affect not only our mentality and behaviour but also our physical stature as well. It would be interesting to analyze the difference and commonalities between animal's blood and human blood. Therefore may I suggest, if we minimize meat consumption and stop drinking milk, somehow I feel that it would help change our whole physiological nature and greatly benefit our behavioural prospects, and maybe we would find the path to spirituality somewhat quicker, would we not? It's possible. I am expressing this because I have done these changes myself and consequently I feel immense shifts have occured in my psyche. If I have confused anybody, I apologize but this has been on my mind for years because the changes I have been describing have changed my life for the better but maybe, I am wrong or maybe I am a little ahead~~~~ Now I can go to sleep ~!~!~!~!~ | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Melli, As with all new technologies they can be used for our benefit or for our detriment and genetic engineering or genetic modification is no exception. All cellular life contains DNA, from human beings to the single celled organisms. When earth humans master genetics then it will be possible to single out specific genes, crossing borders between species of plant and animal life. For example, it is possible to grow completely healthy and beneficial fruit that is only different in so far that it is giant, or solely green, or of a particular shape and so on. Genes from animal life can be crossbred with plant life creating new species that are completely resistant to diseases or poor weather and so on. Experimentation, understanding, knowledge and wisdom are all vital to our evolution whether it is positive or negative otherwise we will remain in the dark ages. Organic simply means growing plants or farming animals without the use of pesticides or chemicals. However this is a fallacy really because our earth is already so polluted that digesting unwanted chemicals on some level is completely unavoidable at the present time. There are traces of chemicals in the water, in the soil and in the atmosphere that have found their way around the world. I think it is very important that non-organic produce (i.e. produce produced with the deliberate use of pesticides and/or chemicals) is not confused with genetically modified and genetically engineered foods as it is easy for those health freaks and uneducated people to quickly jump on the bandwagon, screaming death and danger to all those who consume GM or GE produce. Also, it is important not to confuse nutrient depleted foods with GM and GE either because this is mostly caused by farming with unfertile, over-used and poor quality soils. Of course, like anything in life, dangers exist in modifying foods but this should not stop our progress in this area. Regards Adam | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello Adam, I agree with you that most people do not have an understanding at all of GE/GM foods differences and lump all genetic tech. in one basket. That's because I think there is an orchastrated campaign by the powerful GE lobby who specifically force especially poor farmers into growing GE crops and promising profits but in fact 3 years later most crops fail, like growing GE cotton for example is a sad case where farmers sustain huge losses amongst many others problems where the underlying cause is the constant use of petrochemicals because the crops are specifically GE, which as we know pollute all our environment, from the soil to the air. (not to mention that they shrink terribly with every wash) Brazil is clearing rain forest land to grow GE Soy bean for cattle farms, because we are encouraged to consume more and more meat. (How many people are aware of the Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada?) In Figu's booklet titled Environmental Catastrophe I read ".... the principal cause for the formation of desert and arid regions..... they destroy the land by forcedly increasing food production to feed the incessantly growing human masses. In doing so, they completely leach and deplete the ground of its nutrients, without allowing the soil to revive itself or be regenerated artificially with the necessary energy that was also extracted, leaving the ground completely exhausted. The situation therefore is not simply remedied by artificially introducing new nutrients because the soil also requires natural forces Man is unable to restore.... and this leads to the development of desert and arid wastelands". In another booklet Overpopulation Bomb, Destruction of the Earth ....I read: " Nine Kilograms (19.8 lbs) of grain are required to produce one kilogram (2.2 lbs) of beef. One kilogram of meat is equivilant to 1 person's daily food requirement. By comparison, these same 9 Kilograms of grain would feed 16 people". I do understand the logic of this technology but we need to be educated about its practices and this is not done at all. New crops are needed to be specifically designed to be truly sustainable for the land and for the people and not the kind that are created to be bombarded with pesticides and herbicides, which we later consume unquestionably. And also, I think the core problem is over population and consequently compunded by land abuse. Are you aware what's coming for breakfast? I know and I will absolutely refuse it, I will not accept GM food laced farmacutical drugs cultivated under the premise of 'added beneficial nutrients' (pharmacrops). This practice in my opinion is morally corrupt, total insanity. It's not an issue of being just irrational about GE practices, it points directly to an agenda of controlling human behaviour. This is hard for me to swallow. But the average person is uneducated and unable to distinguish between the science for progress and the science for profit and greed. So until the truth comes out no one will be any wiser. Unfortunately the underpinning of all our woes lies in the critical issue of Over- Population. But my primary concern lies with the issue of cows milk and animal hormones affecting every aspect of our biology/ psychology and mental well being and I believe that this stagnates spiritual progress. I have this gut feeling that this practice is as old as the stars and with a malevolent agenda to keep the population numb and confused. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli, Sadly, I lack the resources to deal, in adequate detail, with the complex nature of the topic you raise, nor answer your many specific question, even if I WAS an authority on this topic, which I’m not. At the risk of burdening this discussion board space with Meier material easily found elsewhere (http://www.figu.org/us/figu/bulletin/no10.htm) I’ll paste this in in the hope that it will be read by others too. Please note the reference to Greenpeace, who, in my opinion, are part of the control group, who always take both sides of every argument. Question 2. “What do the Pleiadians, respectively Plejarans, and you think of genetic engineering?” Eugen Huber, Switzerland Response: “I am convinced that the Pleiadians'/Plejarans' opinion is correct when they say that the time is ripe for us terrestrials to fulfill requirements for our evolution, including the genetic factor. Genetic technology, i.e., gene engineering and manipulation, is an inevitable, unstoppable development process that exists among every highly evolved civilization throughout the entire universe. Hence, even terrestrial humans cannot avoid implementing genetic engineering and manipulation. It is not only wrong for incognizant or arrogant people and organizations, such as Greenpeace, to rebel against it; in so doing they actually thwart human development. While the genetic engineering progress cannot be stifled through irrational standoffs, they may, nonetheless, result in obstacles and relapses of its development. The mere fact that plants can be altered to the point where they become more prolific and resistant to diseases, should be reason enough to look favorably upon genetic engineering, for it can positively influence and remedy much of this planet's hunger, poverty, and misery. Of course, medical implications must also be taken into account, which are so critical for human survival, such as those involving transplants and medications, to mention but two. Furthermore, genetic engineers and other genetic scientists do not simply fall from the sky as masters of their own particular disciplines. They must study their field intensely in order to master this subject. The investigation of any new technology will inevitably precipitate mistakes, however; but from mistakes additional studies, research and a guarantee of further progress will ensue. Understandably, occasional harm may result from mistakes in the exploration and development of terrestrial genetic technology since it currently is still in its infancy. But possible failures should not be taken as a bad omen and a reason for distorting all of this research and for stomping it into the ground. Inevitably, development will result in errors and maybe even harm. And yet, researchers would be ill advised to give up on their projects. It is vital that the research now in progress continues and that steps be taken to alleviate as many mistakes as possible. However, this type of work cannot take place in a terror-filled environment as is exemplified, for instance, by Greenpeace activism. Genetic technology is a vital facet of our development, essential for our evolution, and cannot be circumvented in the long run, even by terrestrials. In other words, it is much more constructive for us to rationally support the appropriate genetic scientific experts than it is to boycott them. Anyone boycotting them impedes not only human evolution, but takes on the responsibility for a great deal of suffering, poverty, and misery that may befall humans, animals and all nature on Earth. To have a hostile attitude toward genetic technology is to commit an irresponsible and criminal transgression against terrestrial humankind and the entire planet, including its floral and faunal life forms.” – Billy (February 1997) I think the deliberate destruction of the natural environment by Big Pharma serves the duel-function of supplying the reverse-psychology needed to deflect us from the realization of our true human potential, and – at the same time – serves the insane murder/suicide religious agenda of the “End-Times” maniacs in charge of the White House. We start with terminator seeds and Roundup-resistant soy beans, so there is deliberate public resistance to finding our own human genetic defects. Gotta remember who these guys are working for! (Bafath) I think perhaps I’ve misled you with the poorly worded remark you quote from me about us being genetically engineered willing slaves. That is not, according to my understanding of the FIGU material, a CAUSE of the other disorders (various specific cancers, etc.) but merely one of the many independent symptoms. You write, “I will hypothesise that because our DNA has been altered we were and still are encouraged to consume meat which is of different DNA naturally, and this in itself would make our psyche more 'aggressive' would it not?” I think that this is an oversimplification. Indeed, we are what we eat, but according to this idea, we should all be cannibals! There is a good explanation of the problems of not eating enough animal flesh in And Still They Fly, but I DID just read in Kontachtberichte #8 that the prions that cause Mad Cow Disease also exist in muscle tissue, etc., not just bone and nervous tissue, and it WAS exported all over the place (Australia included). AND … to make matters worse … the hormones and antibiotics fed to domestic food animals make us big and fat, and make women's breast tissue continue to grow (abnormally and unnaturally) right into their old age past menopause. I don’t even want to think about what it does to us men! :-/ But that’s not all you get. These hormones are now also in our fruit and vegetables (believe it or not) according to the Plejaren. What to do? Learn German. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Dyson, if through no fault of our own, earthman's DNA has been genetically interfered with by outside forces (ET's), and which also happens to be the root and cause of most of earthman's problems today too, then why can't the Plejarens be allowed to help earthman rectify our genetic problem by sending the cure through impulse's to various of our scientists in this field? Don't we need all the help we can get, because aren't we are about to blow ourselves all sky high soon because of this very problem, which is here through no fault of our own. Shouldn't this be OK and also within the laws and deriterives of creation for the Plejarens to be allowed to help us out here with this genetic problem? Why are we being left to figure it out and find the cure all on our own, if we didn't create this problem, nor are we (humans) supposed to be genetically enginered like this too? (short lifespan, barbaric and warlike tendencies) | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2006 |
The Plejarens may be right when they say that most of earthman's past and present day problems are attributed to earthman's ignorant, immature (short lifespan), barbaric and warlike nature, but its not our fault that we were interfered with and made like this, nor should we (humans) naturally be like this too. Ptaah may also be right in saying "the earth human doesn't want to know the truth", but how much of this DNA problem is the cause or attributed to the reason why earthman doesn't want to know the truth? The Plejarens may be right in saying "we can blame ourselves and our immature and barbaric nature for the vast majority of all of our past and present day problems, but aren't we right in saying back to the Plejarens "well its not our fault we're like this, because we didn't genetically change or make ourselves like this???". And if we are right in saying this, then are we not also right in saying "is it really our fault that we are all about to blow ourselves nearly all up soon, and is it really fair to us earth humans that no ET race is going to stop us from doing so, when it was some ill intended ET races fault for interfering with us and genetically changing us into this which is why we behave like this???". We aren't some plant or even some animal that we should be genetically interfered with! We are spiritual human beings, and I feel that no-one had the right to genetically change us into this, not when it was for the worse!! When I read through the contact notes, I often feel like saying the Plejarens can say what they want to say about us, but how would the Plejarens like it if some ET race genetically changed them into what we are now and they didn't know that it was done to them, nor did they know how to rectify what was done to them, and because of that, they are now about to blow themselves all up??? I don't mean anything bad towards the Plejarens when I say that, because I know and are grateful for everything they are doing for us. I just don't think its fair that no ET race is going to stop us from blowing ourselves nearly all up soon in WW3. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 859 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tony, I often wonder why certain things they help with & others they don't but this would sure be a good place to help. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 265 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Tony, Thanks for sharing your thoughtful questions. You’re certainly not the only one who ponders them. It’s a little complicated, so please bear with me and I’ll try to convey my (limited) understanding of the situation, for what it may be worth. No. On the face of things it’s certainly “not fair” that we are in the pickle we’re in here, but in order to understand what’s happening now, I think we’ve got to step right back and try to fit all the pieces of information we’ve gathered into The Big Picture to see what it really looks like. The ancient ancestors of the Plejaren mated with the comely Earth ape-women and here we all are. Had this not happened originally, instead of sitting here in front of computers exchanging ideas, we would be sitting, petrified, up in trees waiting for the cave-bears to leave, etc., and exchanging frightened little grunts with one another. I don’t know about you, but I know that I’d rather the former than the latter any day, so – in a way – no matter how wretched we collectively are, we still got a big boost up the evolutionary ladder that we would not otherwise have enjoyed. OK. So why don’t they help us (more)? As I see it, if we complain that they should do more for us, it indicates we don’t adequately understand how Creation (nature) works. It’s one of those things where, if you get struck by lightning, because it wasn’t your fault, you shouldn’t have to do all that boring and painful physiotherapy because it’s not fair. Life’s not like that. If you want to be strong and whole again you just have to do it because your body doesn’t know or care HOW you got hurt, so you just have to get on with it regardless of the fairness of it. If someone says, “Because it was not your fault that you got struck by lightning, you need not do anything but lie there, and your insurance company will pay a team of trained professionals to do all your physiotherapy FOR you” then that person would NOT be your friend, because you would never improve and only just waste away and die; but there WOULD be a moral obligation somewhere there to instruct you HOW to do particular exercises and when to do them, etc. And naturally that which does not kill you makes you stronger! :-) That’s why the Plejaren Federation does it the way it does. Because that’s the ONLY way it would work. These ET people are not stupid, and they clearly love us very much, in spite of the fact that we’re pretty repulsive. They give us the advice. Some of us find it and follow it, and they try to help their fellow Earth humans to understand it, because NONE of us are going to make it on our own. We’re all in the same boat and we either make it to that far bright shore together, or we ALL drown together. I know how unsatisfying this reply to your questions are, so I now go onto the more difficult part in order to try to put it in the correct context. “Thinking spiritually” it what it’s all about, and ONLY when we learn what this actually is and how to really do it will the answers start to arrive. Semjase’s Introduction to the Spiritual Teachings and the follow-on translations we’ve done is – I think – the best English-language introduction to this required area of study. It’s linked off www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm When the human thinks spiritually, he recognizes that what we all REALLY are is a part of Creation, and our bodies are very temporary vehicles intended to allow us to experience bouts of learning (incarnations) interspersed with periods of consolidation and processing of this learning (what the Plejaren call “Todesleben”, literally, the “deathlife”). ONLY when the human finds the truth and accepts it with his understanding (as opposed to with his belief) can the generous harvest of the sweet fruits of truth begin, and that harvest LITERALLY, REALLY, TRULY ACTUALLY and IN FACT DELIVERS all the wonders … the peace, love, harmony, POWER, etc. etc. etc. that religions deceptively promise, but can never deliver. And what are commonly misunderstood as “miracles” await you too. Really. Daily. I speak from personal ongoing experience. It’s true. It’s still spooky. But these are things that you have to find out and experience for yourself, for the reasons previously provided above. I hope this has been of some help to you in coming to grips with some of these really difficult questions, Tony. And before I go, I’d like to point out again that the third world fire is already well underway and has been for some years now. The prophecies of the ancient prophets were manifestly not fulfilled, and did anyone notice that the Meier Prophecies didn’t mention WWIII? Cheer up! The dawn breaks even without the rooster’s crow. Salome, Dyson P.S. The German language contact notes have a lot of very detailed technical information about genetic engeneering and which specific areas of our chromosomes warrant further scrutiny, but I simply have more important things to do than translate it now. The Dr. Greer business now takes first priority, and another article should be out maybe later today. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 861 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dyson, You left out the fact that there are many ET spirit forms here, that caused a lot of these past problems. They are the ones being forced to learn the hard way. All the Human/Apes are being dragged along for the crappy ride. If I'm an original Earth human/Ape spirit form. I wish they had let me evolve without their gene altering experiments, so I could have evolved according to Creations Laws not some Et savages gene altering experiments. My Website | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 04-2003 |
Norm, Are you saying that humans can couple with apes and reproduce offspring with a human/ape spirit form? | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2006 |
Dear Dyson, one of the things that I was trying to point out was that we are in this (unnatural) position where we are trying to learn from something that we are not responsible for creating. Why do we have to learn from something that we aren't supposed to be learning from (our genetic behavial problems). We are also not supposed to be operating like this too. The Plejarens must have known thousands of years ago that because of what was done to us that we were all going to live in misery for many thousands of years first, because of this genetic barbaric and warlike nature problem, and they also would have known that when we reached the nuclear age that we would all most likely want to try and blow ourselves and the planet up too. "The ancient ancestors of the Plejaren mated with the comely Earth ape-women and here we all are. Had this not happened originally, instead of sitting here in front of computers exchanging ideas, we would be sitting, petrified, up in trees waiting for the cave-bears to leave, etc., and exchanging frightened little grunts with one another. I don’t know about you, but I know that I’d rather the former than the latter any day, so – in a way – no matter how wretched we collectively are, we still got a big boost up the evolutionary ladder that we would not otherwise have enjoyed." ??? Isn't there more to this story then just that, because my understanding was that we were deliberately genetically interfered with for both waring and controlling (ET's fearing our nature - short lifespan) purposes?? Also how can we get both a 70 year lifespan and a barbaric behaviour problem from advanced Plejaren ET's mating with us, if the P's didn't have it too?? Dyson, I agree with you that what was done to us was both good for us in one way, and bad for us in another way, but why couldn't this genetic problem of ours have been fixed by P's ages ago. Why were we left to continue to live with this unatural barbaric defect for many thousands of years, and who knows how many more years we have to continue like this until we are able to fix the problem ourselves. Wouldn't it have been better for us if a few thousand of years ago (when we discovered the wheel) the Plejarens had deliberately erradicated all of us off the planet through sterilization. Then at the same time just after doing this sterilization, the Plejarens also had brought here from another world some thousands of NORMAL human beings (bodies) who didn't have this genetic defect like we do, and who also had a similar spirit evolutionary level as ours too, and mix them in with the sterilized people. The 70 year lifespan people would shortly and eventually die off and then there would just be the new bodied 1000 year people left. The world population would dramatically drop but these new bodied people would continue living from there on in the wheel age. Then earthman spirits would all then start incarnating into these new 1000 year or so lifespan bodies and continue breeding from there on in the wheel age. We all wouldn't have had to have lived through the past few thousands of years of barbaric misery and we also wouldn't have had to try to learn from something that we naturally weren't supposed to be trying to learn from (genetic defect). And eventually when we reached the nuclear age, we also more then likely wouldn't be in this position that we are now in where we are all about to blow ourselves and the planet up too. We also wouldn't have this huge present day population problem too, and we also wouldn't be living in the stoneage too. Do you think that this would have been a better option for us? I wouldn't really know like the P's would know if it was, but if I had the choice to vote on it, mine would be yes. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 862 Registered: 02-2000 |
Jo_jo, No thats not what I'm saying. I was talking about primative man before he was alterd by the Ets. I meant primative mans spirit form as a group. Not the dead Ets spirit forms mixed with the primative mans spirit. Right now we have Et spirit forms on earth & primative mans. They are both evolving at the same time on earth just at different levels. If there were no past Et involvement then everybody would be closer to the same level of evolution. My Website | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2006 |
I understand the point that Dyson was trying to make there about the reasons why the Plejarens believe that its better for us if they don't help us in respect to the gene problem as well as the third world fire problem too. No-one would really die in the third world fire, we all just get re-encarted again, and what doesn't kill us will just make us stronger in that respect. I also agree with Dyson about that I rather prefer and would choose that the ET's had interfered with us like they did, rather then if they had not, and I'ld still be vegetating along in the caveman days. I'm glad they did interfere with us. Dyson: "It’s a little complicated, so please bear with me and I’ll try to convey my (limited) understanding of the situation, for what it may be worth." Thanks very much Dyson for conveying to me your limited understanding of the situation. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 863 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tony, An easier way would be to correct say 5000 humans around the world & as they breed with the rest of humanity they will slowly pass on the better genes. The family's with the longer lifespan would rise to the top of society as they would live longer but not all of them in the family would have the genes so they would try to fix their family members that don't have it & then the of rest humanity would probably have access to it & correct people world wide. Even today's researchers are studying people who live in the 100s to see why they liver longer than the average person. There's always the dark side with the elite keeping it for themselves but I think it would eventually be released to everybody. My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 864 Registered: 02-2000 |
I'm sorry but if they are coming here to create human slaves, then I say stay away & let Creation guide my planet. Just think where we would be, when each person lives a 1000 years from the very beginning of the first humans. You advance a lot faster with 1000 year lifespan than what was the average life span over the last 5000 years what was it something like 35 years. People were expected to die near 65 just 50 years ago. Its only recently that we are up 80. I'm shocked that any here would want those savage insane religious creating controlling Et interference here. It the damn interference that cause all the problems on earth to begin with, that the Plejarens are now trying to fix! To top it off those nutty Ets were sick of their creations & have been trying to off us for 1000s of years, Bafath anyone! My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2006 |
The earth ape-man did not live 1000 years for sure.Maybe 200,if no diseases hit him.Will we ever know?I don`t think the lyrans hindered us in the way of shortening our lives to the extreme,they just denied us a larger existence.Billy says in the next 200 years genetic engineering will improve us and we will be able to live up to 350 years. But to reach a 1000 year barrier we have to work hard,because i dont think that the lyrans at early stages of their evolution lived 1000 years. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 09-2002 |
Who cares about how our low life spans came about. The plejarens gave us the answer of how to fix it. Imagine if they didn't give us that??? We'd be dieing at 85 years old forever and have no clue... You wouldn't be questioning their reasoning right now, if it wasn't for them letting us know to begin with. I'm thankful and just because I have a short lifespan, I know right from wrong. If we blow ourselves up or even let evil minded leaders blow us up, its our fault. We let them govern us and make decisions for us that are not right for our general welfare. They are telling us to wake up or else. It does no good for the Earth Human to hold a pity party for itself. Kick your leaders out and put people in power that have your interests at heart. Its that simple.. As Ptah(sorry if I misspelled his name) already stated, its electron energy that will solve not only the age problem but almost all diseases on earth... Mark Gilbo | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Tony ET all (and all), The Plejaren are showing us the way to spiritual evolution, finally culminating in Arahat Athersata and then eventually Petale... places, many of the Plajaren themselves have not yet ventured. There is nothing "unfair" about that...These are realms with no body, only pure power or energy. To have dichotomy is thinking with the little (Earth) mind rather than the spiritual one. Good and bad, soft and hard, white and black, light and dark, small and big, SUV or Prius, dichotomies. The thoughts of someone in spiritual awareness realizes material things are illusions and what is real is knowledge, which becomes wisdom, which becomes power. Power of the Creation, the one. There incarnations are not necessary, "in meat"="in-carnation", life and death in other words "Godfather death". When you are in spirit, pure energy, pure power... you are immortal, since you don't have a body that has to die and since you don't die, you don't have to forget what your last life was about. Everlasting life. This is the truth. As to this... that is being apparently manipulated by advanced knowledge, civilizations that have not warred for thousands of years, being "unnatural", that is true, anything that is not The Creation, is not natural and is our destined, searched-for and with a lot of work... goal. That work is not physical, but spiritual. From Wisdom to power, from body to spirit. We are humans being, not doing. As to responsibility... Jmmanual was responsible in his teaching the truth, and was senslessly sentanced to death, and "apparently" killed for it. His writings, which indicate the truth which were unearthed two times two thousand years ago from tomb and "supposed" death, are now called the Talmud of Jmmanual. Anyone who is responsible for what?, twenty lifetimes?, is pretty responsible and being dedicated to the truth is also our responsiblity as well. It is our responsiblity to learn this truth as well, so we can reach higher realms of consciousness. We are "unnatuaral" until we learn to be in line , in harmony with Creation. How we get there should not be our concern. It is the " wisdom" of the earth humans primative nature to blame and be offended, but truly, these are lower and slower emotions of the cave man. To take responsiblity for YOUR actions, forget about everybody else and what THEY think, because you can only be better than you used to be. My sincere and deep appreciation to the Plejarin: Thank You. For showing us the way in today's terms with knowledge, wisdom and compassion. Showing us the way for our eventual entry to immortality and the true Creation, not our dichotomy of physical, but the one true way to peace and harmony among all beings. Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Love to all... especially, my enemies... Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> Do the peace meditation if you want to be responsible for you fate. With it you can change the world. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2006 |
Norm: "An easier way would be to correct say 5000 humans around the world & as they breed with the rest of humanity they will slowly pass on the better genes." Norm do you know if a 1000 year lifespan human (with no aggressor gene) mating with a normal human will remove the aggressor gene? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 875 Registered: 02-2000 |
I can't answer that totally, but the corrected gene should pass on to some of the children but it might not pass to all of them. Just like Blue Eyed & a Brown Eyed offspring & there's a 1 in 4 chance the children will have Blue Eyes. It all depends on whether the gene is recessive or dominate. My Website | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2006 |
Norm, if the corrected gene could only be passed onto to some of the children and not all of them, then doesn't that mean that Earth human could never be rid of the aggressor gene from within its population? If it does then doesn't that mean that your suggestion of dropping 5000 human corrected people on the planet to fix and erradicate Earthmans aggressor gene problem will not work? | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 06-2005 |
Does anyone know something about the discovery of Pyramids in Bosnia? Analysis of satellite imagery suggests that the three main pyramids in the Bosnian Pyramid Valley, form an equilateral triangle. Who, When and How? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 808 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please stick to the topic heading | ||
Alan New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello, in the book 'Star Wisdom', on page 27, there is a translation in english from the contact notes where Billy spoke in great length about the blissful spiritual experience he recieved of being Oneness with Creation, when the Plejarens allowed him to be taken for a special 7 minute trip in Hyperspace null time/null space. Billy spoke in great detail about what he experienced, and at the end of the trip Billy said that he just wanted to cry. I thought it was incredible reading and wondered why it (contact note) was never posted anywhere at Figu or this board. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2006 |
From the interest generated in my recent postings to Mr. Gagiaguysnet, it seems there are some cult-minded individuals in this FIGU thing, only their allegiance is not to Mr. Billy but to Mr. Gagiaguysnet instead. If it pleases you, keep the flowers coming. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2006 |
Klausmaus "Dear Mr. Gaiaguysnet, If you are a man of spiritual thinking, why is your website filled with such evil and vile thoughts? You seem not to have learned the lessons from Mr. Billy and his friends. It escapes my way of thinking why Mr. Billy and FIGU want any association with you and your evil thoughts." Klausmaus, what evil thoughts is Mr. Gaiaguysnet guilty of thinking? I thought he was just revealing evil acts and deeds of various organisations and people that been happening on this planet, past and present? Please elaborate more on what you are talking about? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2006 |
Klausmaus,our only interest in the Gaiaguys webpage is based in their english language traductions of the Billy Meier work exclusively. These couple are the only people in the world who are working hard(nobody pays them for it) to translate some vital pieces of information for humanity.Something that you for example won`t do. I suppose you master both languages and you don`t need any help when reading Meier auf deutsch.But that is not the case in the majority of the visitors of this forum. Of course the guy can make mistakes,nobody is freed from making them.He can include whatever he wants to include in it,because its a PERSONAL webpage,in which a great part is dedicated to the Billy Meier work. This man has(maybe) a much greater knowledge of the Geisteslehre than you and me,because he has read 90% of billys material out there,so he is legitimate to translate,interpret and criticize figu material,unless the proper FIGU de-authorizes him.Which is not the case yet. You can criticize anything here because it is the duty of any forum member to point out what`s wrong and what`s right,but avoid personal attacks please or personal references.Just go directly to the facts,because you stated" his webpage is full of crap"...(what crap?...specify please!).There you accuse without being backed by arguments!. I really admire Dyson's work,that`s the truth,but you can try to show me that i`m wrong... Saalome! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear Alan G'day, I think the preliminary investigation by wendelle stevens has much more about the great spacer trip Billy had that you can find in Gaiaguys.net/meier section. Although it's a great book by Gene Andrades, because he uses his own words to paraphrase what is said in the contact notes, to get an accurate account, you will need to read the actual contact notes. As Dyson had pointed out, there are glaring translation errors in wendelle's contact notes. Of course this does not discount in any way, shape or form the enormous contribution to which wendelle has made over the years for we must all thank him for. So the best thing is to get a hold of as many new as well as the old contact notes and compare them to get the best possible conclusions. In the end, nothing beats good old repetitious study, reading and re-reading and making the effort to consciously think and ponder and answer your own queries and questions about various things which will naturally come to mind as you progress further. good luck and hang in there. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 07-2005 |
Klausmaus, what is your intention of being on this forum other than to make a mockery out of yourself by making a mockery out of the sacred place in which you realise not one iota of it's importance. If you can't hold your tongue for a second and unleash a blatant attack instead of an ignorant constructive criticism for which forgiveness is plentiful in such a case in such a place as this one, not only have you esteemed yourself too highly by being ignorant of your own ignorance but also, you have upset the peaceful ambience and mood where you are starting to clock up some karmic debt through your own stupidity. If you are here to learn, do so with an open mind instead of a small mind. If you really knew what the word 'cult' means, then this would be the last time you'd use it here, so learn your lesson and try to strive beyond your own egoism. I hope you don't make a fool out of yourself again and get with it. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2006 |
To my many new friends Mr. Gagiaguysnet selectively choose quotes from Mr. Billy and his friends and wraps them around his speculation theories to provide apparent support from the Figu for his crazy unprovable speculations. The list of unprovable speculations he endorse is too voluminous to mention. This type of thinking is not good for normal healthy people. It is more dangerous for already unbalanced people. Some people here fall into this category as witnessed by the hateful anti-semetic postings and pictures that the moderator had to remove. I have recognized some of the evil vile photos from his website posted here at the Figu. His use of the type justification on his unprovable speculation protocols page make it appear at quick glance that FIGU supports his protocols when that is NOT the intention of the Figu. What I am meaning is by the words “is authentic” hanging by itself centered on the second line. A person could easily think exactly the opposite meaning of what the Figu thinks. I don’t think you would trust translations from a religious minded person or a political minded person because each would bias intentional or not the work with his background noise and beliefs. Same goes for crazy-speculation minded person. Mr. Gagiaguysnet website has maybe 2% Figu and 98% unprovable speculations. The negative is more than 99% and the positive is less than 1%. It is like pouring gasoline on the already burning fire. No need for that. You will get what you think and focus on. Read and think bad, bad actions come easily. Why does not Mr. Gagiaguysnet website show much more positive and the peace meditation instead? Also, the disorganized style displays his lack of clear-minded thinking. Of course these are just my opinions and it is up to the Figu to decide if it is correct or not to have an association with Mr. Gagiaguysnet website. But I do not think he actually has a certificate or endorsement from the Figu for what he does. That would be impossible in my opinion. | ||
Klausmaus Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2006 |
Mr. Newinitiation, To clarify, what I see is a cult of Australian people with an allegiance to Mr. Gagiaguysnet. I understand completely the Figu is not a cult and does not stand for cult minded thinking or mentality. It is completely okay by for Mr. Gagaiguysnet to maintain a cult at his website, not this one, but it is still against the creational laws. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 969 Registered: 02-2000 |
Some here equating the Zionist & the average Jew is a MAJOR mistake! In fact the average Jew is the unwitting pawn of the Zionists. My Website | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 05-2004 |
Those translations (Sonder-Bulletin 26) must clearly disturb some people in power. Maybe these people (and those working for them = secret services) have interest in provoking the authors of the translations so they spend their time arguing instead of translating?? | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2006 |
Just a quick reminder to all here, who I respect and have a certain level of love (for all of you).The truth is now flowing so strong,and simply,continues too quicken. Many human's of free mind, surround me,as well as my daily visits to this forum. I'am evolving and continue to harmonize with my suroundings,,,,,,LOVING IT.Meier is the last and the translations are of course worth all efforts.LOVE Salome Pudd | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 970 Registered: 02-2000 |
As a Figu biased person. I would prefer that Dyson dropped all that other stuff on his website & concentrates on his translations. As the teachings spread all that other stuff will clear up anyway. But hey its his website & he's free to do what he wants. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2006 |
Norm,this present Lebanon conflict is backed by 70-80% of the Israeli population,and prime minister Popularity is higher than ever.I agree we cannot speak in general jew=zionist,but Israels evil and murderous rulers have way too many followers right now. The average Jew should meditate about the meaning of the word "patriot".In cases like these,i always quote " 1 patriot = 1 idiot " because when politicians adress the whole nation to support a conflict or war,the average citizen considers his duty to back his government policy,even in the case that the government is stupidly wrong.You average USAmericans know what involves that" patriot" manipulation.Main examples movies like "Air Force one","Independence Day" and many more,where you can see who dares to criticize the president`s decisions is called anti-patriot/anti-american.To be fair,to be just comes first.To be a patriot is secondary,unless the country is in real danger,which is not the case. People and the Jews in this case should be independent,not "neutral",like Billy explains in Figu Bulletin 26,let their consciousnesses meditate about the facts which led to the conflict,and then act in consequence. The thing is the jewish people have been under the influence of malicious cults,religions and machinations for too long,and Billy says to get rid of that evil influence takes time,even many lives and reincarnations. The only thing we can do is to portrait the truth as it is,and try to raise some kind of peace-diplomacy-cooperation consciousness all over the world.If WWW3 does not stop that trend,we will get good results sooner than expected. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 852 Registered: 12-1999 |
Lets stick to the topic heading which relates to FIGU | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: Incredible, the Sonder Bulletin #26 was published this week, all of a sudden UN Security Council agrees on a resolution and is accepted. IS this a coincidence? It was already said that these bulletin get translated by government agencies and read by analyst, counselors.... My own speculation: the possibility of seeing Israel under war (and being destroyed) against a united Islamic world had awaken the few realists that are still around our leaders to stop this massacre....Other may have felt personnally addressed (e.g. insulted) by comments on "Real Neutralität" vs remaining silent. This is among the most remarkable "political" text ever written on earth on current state of affair. Read it again. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello Eric, Condi Rice wanted to stop it a couple weeks ago but Bush wouldn't let her. He wanted the last word. The first time he ever over-ruled her foreign policy decisions. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 07-2005 |
Klausmaus, you of all people should realise by now that through your conscious exposure to this website and the materials therein, time and time again, I along with many like minded forum members here are compelled to make clear to people such as yourself that Billy's teachings STRESS ardently, why we need to think for ourselves and derive our own conclusions on any matter with no exceptions. And why?, you may ask, If you've devoted some time to learning Billy's spiritual teachings and all other materials thereof, you'd realise the vile manifestation we call cultish religion was spawned from the very minds that have forgotten the golden rule of thinking independently for themselves thus falling into the trap of lapping everything they are told as the truth. Now why would anything coming from Dyson's website be regaled with any exceptions and likewise as is also the philosophy of (check the spelling GAIAGUYS.net)Dyson and vivienne, they too, in their wisdom, encourage people to think for themselves instead of expecting people to believe everything they write on their website as the truth. SURE I myself wondered in my initial exposure to gaiaguys.net why the author didn't do an adequate job of making things easy for their viewers to navigate through their website, as someone else coined it 'messy' but as we all know, it has its reasons, it compels people to search for the answers and to stick at it and to go beyond their laziness. So now, we are back where we've started, a cult requires willing participants who have thrown out any sense of self responsibility and thus, they have effectively given their life away. Any rational person with a bit of sense will divest themselves of some self dignity by steering clear of such cultic organization if they are sensible enough to smell it a mile away which in their rationality, they'd most probably do. Likewise in branding gaiaguys or the author a cult and/or cult leader, you are severely restricting your capabilities of reason and rationality. There is consequences to everything and in your hazy tint layered specks you are wearing, you will not be able to escape seeing everything through them. Thus you will be missing out on something for which it could've helped you lift the veil of your own ignorance and achieve freedom, I for one can attest to that. But just as those people who came before you with such like minds as yourself, in their infantile imbecility, all they could come up with as a response to such post as this one is "Nah!, I am not buying this s**t, it's still a cult and there nothing more to be said, case closed", And just like them you will also tread the same old ignorant path with a similar reply. Nothing is forced onto no one, afterall every person to their own and likewise everybody is free to believe or get to know whatever they want to. So having said this, how on earth can you call gaiaguys or the information contained in it cultic?????????????? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 974 Registered: 02-2000 |
I have a hard time believing the worlds gov'ts are sitting around going, let see what Billy says first. If that were the case there wouldn't be any more wars & we would have the Peace Troops by now. Ptaah has mentioned a million times that no gov't is listening. Some small covert ops might be watching, but Meier is not a major factor in the world at this point. Besides, you would only be ridiculed, as is usual on the Earth with all governments and other responsible ones, which already proved itself, and always again has repeatedly, since that time in the 50s, and also in the 70s, and so forth, of the last century, when you sent your warning-texts to thousands of responsible ones of the governments, newspapers, radio stations and universities, and so forth. Your efforts would really be senseless, therefore in the future you should abstain from such things because they bring no good fruit. However, the way the situation appears between the irresponsible power-greedy ones on our world, the possibility exists, still long into the distant future, that a third world war disastrously draws over the Earth.The fact alone, that criminal power-greedy ones always again make an opportunity for wars and other acts of terror in diverse countries - as do also actual terror organizations and individual terrorists with their criminal terror-attacks - shows therein that, sooner or later, one day it can come to a new world war. Unfortunately, at this time, there are only a few Earth humans with whom reason and understanding reach so far that your explanations fall on fertile ground. That also means that a multinational peacekeeping troop still has to wait a very long time." My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Norm, You write, "I would prefer that Dyson dropped all that other stuff on his website & concentrates on his translations." So would I. Or, while we're dreaming, I would also prefer that people much more competent than Vivienne and me concentrate on translating the Prophet of the New Age into English. "As the teachings spread all that other stuff will clear up anyway." Norm, we only do "all that other stuff" for the same reason that we do the Meier translations - because nobody else is doing it. :-( Why? I have no idea. If someone (out of almost eight billion Earthlings) else did it, Vivienne and I could go back to playing our tuba and euphonium and gardening instead of swimming through dangerous filth 20 hours a day 7 days a week. Do you think this is fun? Do you think Vivienne and I are danger junkies who enjoy the death threats, the arson and now the looming prospect of losing our beloved homestead of 29 years to an international religion/corporation whose public logo is an erect male phallus with the numeral 666 under it? The spiritual teachings published by FIGU are a means to an end, not an end in themselves, and they are a means to end "all that other stuff" we expose on our website, without which you would be all dressed up with no place to go. You would have a fine fast car full of fuel and no destination. Worse than that, it would be up on blocks and all you could do is sit in it in your garage, spinning the wheels like mad and shifting the gears and going nowhere. "All that other stuff" must be known about now, because the innocent victims cannot wait 800 years for someone to rescue them, and Billy and the Plejaren talking about Bafath-engendered blood sacrifice cults existing today - as one example - is nothing but a total abstraction if you can't connect it to physical reality. THAT is the role of that “all that” vital "other stuff" on our website. You also write, " ... Meier is not a major factor in the world at this point." Norm, you could not be more wrong. Meier is THE major factor in the world at this point, and just because someone does not know that or believe it, does not make it any less true. Ptaah is talking about Billy mailing more letters to world leaders. Now, we-the-people must become the world leaders, and we are starting to be informed not by letters in the mail, but by the world wide web. Get it? The Golden Age of Knowledge. The Money Power, the High Cabal, the Powers-that-be, The Illuminati ... call it what you will ... the men behind the scenes who pull the strings ... they do listen to Billy Meier very closely and are very well-informed, operating with the prudent "know your enemy" philosophy. And the deepening flood of calumny and the 21 assassination attempts prove it. Salome, Dyson | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 975 Registered: 02-2000 |
Yea, I see all those Meier supporters in the news flooding the streets in protest stopping the wars all over the world. Its such a giant movement. The world leaders are trembling in their shoes. My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 976 Registered: 02-2000 |
The bottom line is until there are those mobs of protesters in the streets the "New World Order" knows that the Plejarens are never going to land & stop them! And if they do take in account everything Meier says then all they have to do is use the right balance & keep the Ps from landing in mass & the only way they will land is if the 3rd world is getting screwed which they really have been for 100s of years now anyway. Does the World Power crew fear WW3? Heck some of them may want it to happen. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 04-2006 |
The one who does not actually believe in reincarnation doesn`t give a damn about hypothetical WW3, he thinks " if i die,i`m not coming back here again...f*ck you all...i leave your contaminated and poisoned world,it will be future generations responsability to rebuild and restore what has been destroyed. But the scenario changes radically if we apply the Geisteslehre,spirit lessons.Then you know that any harm you do to your neighbor and mother nature now,you will have to face it again in the future.That means your living conditions,your next life/reincarnation will be tougher.Who desires that? If people realized the true nature of man,his spiritual and creational side,wars would turn to be almost non existent.Wars are based on ignorance about spiritual matters.Due to that ignorance the mighty exploit the weak,who finally adopt an attitude of submission.It is the Weak`s wrong saying " Nothing can be done to change the world for the better,everything is predestined" the key to change things into the neutral/positive.The evil power of the Bafath,Bush or Blair lies in the negation of human powers,free will and predestination.Spirit and consciousness can alter reality. Today,we feel that pesimistic view."WW3 cannot be avoided". I agree with Dyson,it can,and it has to be avoided. I quote Billy in Bulletin 26 " Ich bin ein Rufer in der Wüste,und trotz deren ungeheuer Weite und Dürre,werde ich weiterrufen,und zwar solange,wie ich noch einen Funken leben in mir habe" (acceptable translation :D) => "I am a speaker,a shouter in the middle of the desert,and despite the immense distance and dry i will keep on shouting,so long i have a spark of life in my body." | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-1999 |
Dear Norm, Concerning Billy's role in what is happening in the world today. Consider this. Here is what the Prophet Enoch foretold about the Prophet of the New Age according to the OM Canon 31 (unofficial translation); 229. But there will also be a Prophet who will be powerful in Spirit, hence he will also do his duty in great Measure by the Power of his Thoughts, and therefore also through his Word and the teachings of the Truth, and indeed through his advice and other Things, which must be kept hidden from the Human Beings for a long Time and cannot be grasped with the unreasonable Understanding of the Human Beings. 230. And the Prophet of the new Age will be the most important Strength of those Times, and therefore a Secret in many things for the Human Beings, just like the Power of the Spirit will still be a Secret in those times. 231. And the Prophet of those Days will find no Peace and Rest and will often swell with holy Rage, so by Day and also by Night, and likewise when asleep or awake, so it is said already today by the JHWH that he will never rest and relax. 232. He will be the Prophet who will do the Work of many, but who will be untiring, by Day as well as by Night, and during his lifetime, such as was never done by any other Prophet before him. 233. And the Human Being of that Time will not understand that this Prophet carries out hard Work, when he walks along apparently in repose, or when he is seated, tired out behind his Work, for his tasks will be unavoidable at all Times, so in Part with the Work of his Hands, and in Part with the Power of the Spirit and his Thoughts, to be sure. 234. And this will be the Prophet of the new Age; he will stop a lot of Evil, Suffering and Misery, and therefore the worst Destruction and Ruin; meanwhile the Sons and Daughters of Heaven will remain invisible to the Human Beings in-Hiding or partial Hiding and yet will be of Help by the Power of their Thoughts and their Spirit, in Commonness with the Prophet. My understanding is that not only is Billy a major factor, but he does have helpers. We can have a share. Salome, Lonnie | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Norm, I understand your understandable misunderstanding, and although I originally thought “schweigen” (remaining mute) would be the right thing for me to do now, I eventually realized that most people probably share your confusion, so I’d give it another go. It’s like the mockers who confidently demand of Michael Horn, “If Meier is for real” … (and we DO know he IS) … “then how come we don’t see all this on TV?” It reminds me of a joke. Fuelled by insane power-lust, an evil and barbarous extraterrestrial race, scanning the universe with their extraordinarily advanced telescopes, finds - in a lonely and unguarded sector of space – our planet Earth … hanging alluringly like a ripe peach ready to grasped and plucked. With inconceivably sophisticated technology and awesome weaponry, a cavernous mothership is laboriously constructed and outfitted with hundreds of deadly superbombers and literally tens of thousands of terrible, lighting fast fighter-interceptors that can be dispatched at a moment’s notice to exterminate all resistance. As the mothership, bristling with terrifying military hardware, penetrates our atmosphere and hovers silently to land, the invading armies on board abruptly come to the horrible realization that they have made a terrible mistake in their calculation of scale and they are eaten by a frog. Suffice it to say, Norm, that a terrible mistake has been made in your calculation of scale. A Golden Age, which started to start here in 1844 comes around once every 25,860 years, and will only finish starting, so to speak, in 2029, and ends in 3999. So it’s just a LITTLE bit premature to expect “such a giant movement” that you will “see all those Meier supporters in the news flooding the streets in protest stopping the wars all over the world. (and) The world leaders … trembling in their shoes.” They may not be publicly trembling in their shoes yet, my friend, but it’s a sure bet that they’re not sleeping as well as they did a generation ago. At this stage of our planet’s evolution, as you know, only a very few educated individuals will understand what’s happening, but if … for instance … someone has a small lump under his skin that pathology – after conclusive tests – proves is a metastasized secondary tumor from a pancreas, liver, spleen and lymph system riddled with malignant cancers, it is not correct to think that this cannot be dangerous because all that can be seen is a harmless-looking lump. A trained eye knows better. The mathematical field of "catastrophe theory" is also a very useful model for historical events. A brittle substance like glass, for instance, will take huge stresses without any apparent deformation until - CRASH! - it shatters catastrophically into a million pieces. After a long time of being seemingly stagnant, history can suddenly move lightning fast. When the evil (US puppet) Shah of Iran was fianlly overthrown, his goons, who had been, as usual, torturing the population in the morning, suddenly found themselves being tortured by those same people (who they were torturing that morning) in their own torture-chambers that same afternoon. And Billy tells us that only when a chronic problem is brought to an acute stage can it be adequately recognized and appropriately resolved. It’s “the catastrophe we have to have.” I hope this has been helpful, if not calming. Please let me now get back to my other work and let me leave you in peace with two quotes from The Book of Books, The Book of Truth. OM32:2059. The dawn breaks even without the rooster’s crow. OM32:632. Blessed is he who has learned to wait joyously. Peace in love/wisdom, Dyson P.S. Please don’t fall for the N.W.O. hoax. You and I have corresponded about this in the past. It’s simple reverse psychology. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 04-2003 |
From the wrong-yet-again but still unbowed archives. I’ll grant him one thing. At least he’s consistent. Quote from Dyson: Please don’t fall for the N.W.O. hoax. You and I have corresponded about this in the past. It’s simple reverse psychology. Q&A between Norm & Billy: Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:01 pm: Hi Billy, I was wondering if you are familiar with the theories behind the so-called New World Order? Part of the theory is as follows. Secret and not so secret groups and organizations are united in trying to create a One World Government, that will be secretly governed by them, while at the same time making it seem Democratic to the rest of the world. Is There anything you can say about these groups. Thank You, Norm ANSWER: Hi Norm, This is nonsense. It is the imaginary work of people who are trying to make money by writing fantastic books about something that is not true. They are claims and theories only. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 07-2004 |
Jo_jo, Your not quite on target with your response in the NWO theme. Both Norm and Dyson are aware of the false idea of an organized NWO group. Your attempting to incite more agitation at this forum and decreasing the value of its existence with these lame posts. Wake up. The Republican-like method your using is not a welcome part of the form. Shawn, I truly hope you are not trying to stir things up with your comments, maybe it would be wise to let sleeping dogs lie for the moment, wouldn't you say? Scott-Moderator a friend in america Shawn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 979 Registered: 02-2000 |
Dyson, I'm not expecting that big movement today that was my point. They are not running for the hills. IE THEY are not worried about Meier at this time! My Website | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 04-2003 |
Shawn, Last time I checked I’m a registered independent and voted for Bush’s opponent. Perhaps my interpretation is wrong, but I thought Norm stated pretty clearly he doesn’t buy the NWO stuff and neither does Billy. It seems the other guy does; The Money Power, the High Cabal, the Powers-that-be, The Illuminati ... call it what you will ... the men behind the scenes who pull the strings ... I stand corrected if my understanding is wrong. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 07-2004 |
Jo_jo, My guess here is that the confusion my thinking perceived, centered around the idea that the NWO you are referring to, is a solitary, organized cartel, that has come together from their respective groups to form a planned future government with them at the top controlling all for their benefit. As far as this definition is concerned, I am confident that it is a decent, general description for the idea, "NWO". Now, I don't formulate that definition as to what Dyson was speaking of in his previous few posts. But I do sense his intentions were to reference the powerful that are in control at the moment, that one can use the term, "NWO" as a descriptive to convey their point. Beyond all that it's clear that there has been some 'snipe'-ing going on, and I am just as much to blame as the rest of the " snipers". It surely distracts from the pureness of what the mission is all about and I know my thoughts are better served when I compose responses to more meaningful posts. Scott, My intentions were to try and be positive-neutral, and re-reading my post, I see I easily missed the mark by a full 180 degrees. Obviously it wasn't my argument and I proved it with my foot in my mouth. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 01-2006 |
Scott - "At present there are approximately 113 various topic areas within the English FIGU Forum not counting the Passive Member Section." Scott, i didn't know that there was a Passive Member Section here on the board. Can I ask how big is it, meaning how big is it in comparision to the number of how many people post posts to this public forum? Are there any type of benefits for people being able to post in the passive member section? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 860 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Tony, Unless you are a passive member that section of the forum will be invisible. The last time I checked I think there were 25-30 members. It is not as big as the general forum and doesn't have the the ongoing dailey discussions. I would say it may receive a post or two each month, but nothing in comparison. It would be hard for me to speak for anyone other than myself regarding any benefits by being a passive member and having access to the passive member section. This would be something you would have to decide for yourself. I hope this helps. Regards Scott | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Newintiation, Just when I wasn't searching for my post #133, I found it. I was confused with the different sections and dates, anyway here it is again: http://galactic-server.net/rune/stewens.html scroll down to: Semjase-site and there is a mixed bag of very interresting articles. I don't know if you are a fast reader, but I am not, so I always print all my material and then take time to read it and read it again and again and each time I discover new understandings. Enjoy, p.s are you in oZ? | ||
462 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hey everyone! I was wondering about something I read on figu's homepage... Quote: WHAT HAVE BEEN OUR ACHIEVEMENTS SO FAR? The most important facets of Creation's laws and directives, rules and guidelines are laid down in appropriate, spiritually enlightening publications of FIGU's Wassermannzeit Publishing House. Through them, people from all over the world are now aware of the FIGU teachings and, in turn, of FIGU itself. International readers study the spiritual teachings and strive to translate the texts from German into their respective languages on FIGU's behalf. Through these activities we initiate a gradual rethinking process on this planet. The decisive basic language remains GERMAN, for the spiritual teachings in their entirety have a code in this language, as do many of FIGU's other publications. What are the codes? and what purpose do they surve? why in german? Thanks in advance! Anthony | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks Melli Yeah not far from where you are. A study group of our own would be nice. cheers | ||
462 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2006 |
Ok so nobody knows!?! (look my post above) | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 01-2004 |
462, all that information can be easily found if you make an effort to search. just type in "code" in the search engine on this site and see what you find. and what's with the "!?!" a better place for those exclamations and question mark is in this next sentence... are you that lazy!?! | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi 462, The codes are in German because German is descended from the original Lyran language spoken here on Earth. The purpose that they serve is to open the person's mind to receiving impulses from the Akashic records that are stored since those times. I think they open up a person's mind to the reading material, so they have more depth of understanding or open up a person's mind to the Creational. These impulses can be accepted or ignored. It is up to the individual. | ||
462 Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2006 |
thanks a bunch sonik! I'll have to learn German then  se if it tiggers some old memories. peter don't push it. Its a forum right, yeah.. If you don't know something you have all freedom to ask... there is no idiotic questions, theres just idiotic answeres... | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2004 |
okay 462, but for the record i did not call you idiot, and likewise... i dont think there are idiotic answers, especially just because somebody said so. | ||
462 Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2006 |
yeah sure I'm okay with that. no hard feelings. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day scott I was wondering if I could change my recent question to Billy for another one? If I can, then can you replace my initial question with this one please. To Billy Thank you once again for this opportunity Billy, I was wondering if it's unequivocally true that, below the earth in various locations throughout the entire earth with extensive tunnels joining one cave system to another, that there resides at present, highly evolved human beings that are not originally from this earth, who are far superior spiritually and technologically than us surface dwelling terrestrials with advanced ufo like flying crafts, who are engaged in various contacts with terrestrial human beings at the moment? Thanks Scott Hello Newinitiation, I don't know whether Christian has met with Billy yet regarding the last round of questions. I think it would be easier, if you could hold off until the next round. If this is real important to you, I will contact Christian, let me know. Regards Scott | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 128 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello Newinitiation, We don't change questions because each person must learn to think first before posting a question. Besides I can answer your question so you don't have to wait until the end of October: The answer to it is an unequivocal NO. There are no such human beings around. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 279 Registered: 07-2005 |
Much appreciated moderators, it feels wonderful to be helped when you need it the most. Sorry Christian but I can't seem to free myself out of my cocoon on this issue here, unless I've been severely taken for a joyride, the dots aren't or won't connect even if it wants to, I think it's just me in the background putting up a fight not wanting to believe that this is true. I mean, Billy did mention in the contact notes about the regent of Agharti and the Aghaartians residing below the gobi desert and Mt shasta among various other locations. Yet, other claims about underground dwelling superhumans have also been documented as far back or even earlier as the 1600-1700's. From Shambala to Gobi desert, from Mt arahat to New York's Central Park of all places. Fables, fantasies, fictions, imagining, just stories, rumours, hearsay, farications, lies etc that they may be and probably or are absolutely just that to Billy but I still can't get my head around the fact that when Arus ruled, the aghartians did join with the sumerians and this reference was actually in the contact notes as well. I am sure we're talkng about a long time ago and that subsequent to many long years tumbling past under the bridge, they may have just all died out due to one reason or another. The fact that they existed in the first place was very interesting to me and I gather that, when underground dwelling people are mentioned, it may also be in reference to the now deported Gizeh intelligences who made themselves known from time to time with their intrigues. So Christian, what you are saying is that, there are absolutely no super humans, as it is termed, with highly evolved technologies than ours who are living underground today? So a 'NO' means a 'NO'. Thanks Christian and Scott. Matt | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey newinitiation, just a thought here... how is christian to know wether there are no " super humans, as it is termed, with highly evolved technologies than ours who are living underground today? " or "Billy, I was wondering if it's unequivocally true that, below the earth in various locations throughout the entire earth with extensive tunnels joining one cave system to another, that there resides at present, highly evolved human beings that are not originally from this earth, who are far superior spiritually and technologically than us surface dwelling terrestrials with advanced ufo like flying crafts, who are engaged in various contacts with terrestrial human beings at the moment? " even billy has demonstrated that he does not know many things in relation to history on earth and other present day mysteries. and if he knew i'm sure he may just keep silent about some things for one reason or another, for the better in the long run. i have heard from other people about sub-surface inteligent dwellers on earth.i would like to keep an open mind about it rather than llistening to a figu person simply say it isnt so. that's just me though, and my 2 cents. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Peter Yeah, I understand where you are coming from there Peter. I asked this question to Christian, seeing as he is very close to Billy and does the questioning to Billy himself for the questions we ask Billy on the specific thread for it, thinking that he may be privy to informations, we haven't any access to which might be allowed through him. I gather that Billy, as he had also expressed uneqivocally, that he isn't omnipresent or omniscent, I do take this into consideration but seeing as he did mention a few things about underground dwelling aghartians in the contact notes, I felt it appropriate to ask. Peter for me anyway, I can only know and learn if I ask questions, search for answers and keep asking what is deemed an appropriate and relevent questions that matters to me personally, no matter how it will reflect to others. My personal development is my own and my own business only, if I can find people who can assist me on this long journey, then my golly, I will seek assistance to the right people if they can and are capable and willing to help. If you cannot understand this much but find my questions here silly, dumb and inappropriate, you are entitled to your opinions but just remember, we are the judges of others as well as ones that are being judged. Answers just don't come to us automatically no matter how open we try to make it, sure we can try to open our minds a little more but rather than 'a fool who idly rests and waits for fate goes to ruin like an unfired pot in the water' tj26:24 why not 'those who take care of the cow always receive milk; lkewise, those who nurture wisdom and apply it through the power of the spirit bring forth rich fruit' tj26:25. So can you see this for yourself, that if you can apply your knowledge of Creational spirit which you yourself have adamently professed to as the deep source of your security and identity, why not apply what you have learnt and the wisdom you have gained from it. Cheers Peter Matt | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2006 |
The round of questions to Billy was closed, before I could post a question. Scott, Could you sent my question to Billy by any chance? Hi Simon, Sorry, If Billy has an e-mail address I don't know it. The next round of questions should open up in a few weeks hopefully. Regards Scott | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 01-2004 |
woah man i think you misunderstood where im coming from... i dont mean it's stupid to ask questions, and i am not criticizing you for asking christian, i simply said what i said incase you have not thought of a certain realization etc. i see that many people around here seem to rely on the billy meier case as some kind of reference point, and it carries over in seemingly all matters that are discussed on this board. even quoting the TJ, see i cant do that because in my mind i feel that if you cant come to the conclusion yourself, you are only cheating yourself. i apply my wisdom as much as i can, i'm not perfect but i try. so sorry if i didnt meet your expectations in relation to my posts. if you want to talk about spiriual wisdom and applying it, then i must point out the following "My personal development is my own and my own business only" i must say, your personal developement is my personal developement, if looking at the big picture. you are just as much a part of me as anybody else, we take care of our bodies dont we? the body takes care of itself does'nt it? possibly instead of quoting texts, sit down and think about what your doing. P.B. 1:1 what's more fullfilling, telling somebody about a discovery you heard on the news, or making that discovery from travelling the path to the place where that treasure lay? undoubtably somebody will assume the above words are self absorbed arrogant crap, but that's what people who judge do. so as to your point about being judged, if you walk on egg shells because you fear being judged that's cool, other than that i dont know what to tell you. i just wish to share some thoughts that helped me learn a lot of things. but as you have said... your personal developement is your own, so i will refrain from butting into your conversations. good luck on your searching. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 283 Registered: 07-2005 |
To Peter Peter, I don't want to validate your, quote " so sorry if i didnt meet your expectations in relation to my posts". unquote, with an affirmation that legitimatises the notion that somehow you are in the wrong here with an "oh it's alright" or not ca}ll a spade a spade by dismissing the underlying meaning of your statement as if you weren't a little disappointed with my misunderstanding of your initial post to which I sincerely apologise. The thing is, only after I had exhausted the materials out there that didn't satisfy my inquiries did I resort to asking Billy or Christian about this subject. From Ossendowski, Bulwer Lytton, Roerich, Wilkins, Jose de Souza, Blavatsky, Jacolliot, Charroux, Kolosimo to Bayley, King and Maclellan all etched into the very fabric of spacetime, their unique perspectives, adventures, sense of intrigue, knowledge of first hand accounts and their own beliefs about the existence of underground dwelling super races have in the end fell short of the definitive "yes" 'we have absolute proof of their whereabouts, so here they are'. You see Peter, as has been repeated numerous times by many people who have come to the same situation that warrants this response 'there is a reason for everything', likewise I won't refrain from saying this also because it befits such situation well. We have our own reasons for asking and YES I may have been the fool that didn't take a NO for answer, but the quest for the ultimate answers to the mysteries of existence goes on and I couldn't swallow your "hows Christian to know" statement without choking somewhat because the opposite argument could also be applied with 'How do you Peter then know whether Christian doesn't know'?, This can only be found out IF and only if I ask the question. Don't you agree that this is a sensible approach towards finding some answers which may possibly be forthcoming even though nothing is guaranteed? So this is the reason why I had responded the way I did to your statement because I found it quite restrictive and imposed a limit on freedom of the mind to explore and to search. Now, as for your other statement about :- i must say, your personal developement is my personal developement, if looking at the big picture. you are just as much a part of me as anybody else, we take care of our bodies dont we? the body takes care of itself does'nt it? As somewhat intermediate veterans of this forum that you and I are, this fact is a given Peter, we already know that all is one and one is part of the all. Where I find a problem is, are you then going to do my personal development for me on my behalf whilst I sit on my bum and watch you do it for me? No right, then why isn't my personal development not my own business, assuming you already know that everyone is the sole responsible person for their own life, thoughts, feelings and actions. It's only in the indirect effect out the responsibility assumed or not assumed by the individual then does this effect filters down to others, does it not? that affects other people through the laws of cause and effect. So you must ask, is it the chicken or egg that came first? this you'll have to be the judge of. As for this statement of yours "i see that many people around here seem to rely on the billy meier case as some kind of reference point, and it carries over in seemingly all matters that are discussed on this board. even quoting the TJ, see i cant do that because in my mind i feel that if you cant come to the conclusion yourself, you are only cheating yourself". This I find I hard to accept and this is the reason why. First of all, what are you doing on this forum then may I ask? I didn't ask this question to offend by the way. We have all united on this forum for various reasons of providence, fate or whatever else you want to call it to search for what it is that we as mere mortals don't understand and yet be guided by our inner stirring that impelled us to seek and search, thereby forging a fate and a common bond with absolute strangers but our destinies have already carved a path for us to tread that enabled us to find this place. Now, don't you find your statement a little unfair on others, seeing as you yourself have repeated what you have learnt from Billy that could not have come from other source. The impression, if I am not wrong, that you give in your post of yours paints a picture of mindless, brainless, thoughtlee and sheepish people who lap up everything that Billy says without giving due consideration to all other concerns that pertain to it. Does this mean that you are an exception here and you are lauding your independence from it yet isn't your presence here a sign that you are inextricably linked to this greater web of truth and other likeminded people who themselves make their presence felt and resonate in speech, like I am doing here, the realities of the laws of Creation, even just by counter-arguing some point of yours to which, you'd then realise, you yourself is more dependent on the information coming from FIGU and Billy/plejarens than you'd liked to admit? so why the hypocrisy? You said "possibly instead of quoting texts, sit down and think about what your doing". See Peter, this I agree with 100% but then if I ask you, what do you know about Creation, I wonder what your answers will be. Exactly, even in your words, it won't differ any more than how it is explained by the plejarens and Billy because truth is the truth, no matter how it's worded, it is eternal, immutable, unchanging and it doesn't play servile role to the whim and prejudices of peole's sentiments because it is indestructable and unbreakable, LIKEWISE wisdom is an intangible yet tangible and real part of the truth or reality, every wisdom applied has it's own unique situational application by the very nature of it's specific signature when applied, it is given form and appearance by the logicality, uniformity and consistency. Now, how is quoting the text from TJ, not an expression of one's independent thinking, if in the course of certain specific verities and factors confronted that which begs a corresponding reaction, the independent judgement on my part drew the same conclusions thus me quoting the TJ. Anyway I'll end it here, I hope it has been a valuable learning experience for both of us. I'll just leave out the nitty gritty negative sentiments which has no place here. Cheers Peter | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey newinitiation, i wont go into detail replying to each of your statements but i will answer some, in all goodwill. about christian, okay, your obviously not the right person for me to be passing over some thoughts to new initiation... looking at it from your perspective, we could just run around in circles in this matter of christian and his answer. "Where I find a problem is, are you then going to do my personal development for me on my behalf whilst I sit on my bum and watch you do it for me? No right, then why isn't my personal development not my own business, assuming you already know that everyone is the sole responsible person for their own life, thoughts, feelings and actions." you seem troubled with something, where you neglected in your youth? i wonder if you would have that same opinion about helping others if you were down on your luck in a gutter somewhere. you remind me of a homeless man i met the other day... he asked for money so i offered him a sandwhich, he declined. "This I find I hard to accept and this is the reason why. First of all, what are you doing on this forum then may I ask? I didn't ask this question to offend by the way" answer: i came here because i was interested in the stars and mars and myths of ancient rome and greece since i was little, i had interest in paranormal things, so istumbled upon billy meier and his accounts of life experiences. i read some info on the universe and earth history provided by figu and then some mysteries became clear. after i came to the conclusion that i wont be joining figu as a passive member, i decided i will do the next best thing... if i can help somebody to come to some conclusion then that's what brings me joy, aside from that i plan to help figu through my own efforts, when those trees bear some fruit. as far as you and i go, i am here to live and learn and help others in the only ways i know how, but dont think for a second that anything i know about spiritual matters only comes from here, that's ignorant and it's not the case. "The impression, if I am not wrong, that you give in your post of yours paints a picture of mindless, brainless, thoughtlee and sheepish people who lap up everything that Billy says without giving due consideration to all other concerns that pertain to it. Does this mean that you are an exception here and you are lauding your independence from it yet isn't your presence here a sign that you are inextricably linked to this greater web of truth and other likeminded people who themselves make their presence felt and resonate in speech, like I am doing here, the realities of the laws of Creation, even just by counter-arguing some point of yours to which, you'd then realise, you yourself is more dependent on the information coming from FIGU and Billy/plejarens than you'd liked to admit? so why the hypocrisy?" well the impression you have of me is wrong. i dont think people are sheep, and anybody who reads my posts know i use billy as a reference for many things,,, so i questioned you asking christian about something, that dont mean i think christians wrong, i just thought maybe you are one of the many people that simply lap up the milk. hey i made a mistake, well what do you know, i am human after all. if you asked me what i know about creation it would not be exactly what the plejarens say. in the case of the universe and it's dynamics and all that stuff, sure i will repeat what i read here, but there's much i've learned on my own from not trusting what the plejarens say etc. "Now, how is quoting the text from TJ, not an expression of one's independent thinking, if in the course of certain specific verities and factors confronted that which begs a corresponding reaction, the independent judgement on my part drew the same conclusions thus me quoting the TJ." i didnt say it was an expression of non-independant thinking, dont get so touchy. you are reaching into my words too deep. in anycase, i aint trying to attack you, i admit i am stubborn and i may come of a bit harsh, oh well, that's life. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 284 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Peter >>>>>>about christian, okay, your obviously not the right person for me to be passing over some thoughts to new initiation... looking at it from your perspective, we could just run around in circles in this matter of christian and his answers. Peter, I was wondering for the sake of clarity whether you could explain what you are trying to say here, I realise that English may not be your mother tongue but if you expect to be understood, you need to make yourself more clear than this lest another misunderstanding ensues. >>>>>>>>you seem troubled with something, where you neglected in your youth? i wonder if you would have that same opinion about helping others if you were down on your luck in a gutter somewhere. you remind me of a homeless man i met the other day... he asked for money so i offered him a sandwhich, he declined. I am trying to read between the lines here with this one but there is nothing there, so you might need to explain the relevance of your words to how or why it should apply to my statement you are responding to. >>>>>>>>>>>>First of all, what are you doing on this forum then may I ask? I didn't ask this question to offend by the way" Peter, this wasn't a literal question from my behalf but a metaphorical conveyance of what should have been self evident in light of what was discussed previously. >>>>>>>>>i dont think people are sheep, and anybody who reads my posts know i use billy as a reference for many things,,, so i questioned you asking christian about something, that dont mean i think christians wrong, i just thought maybe you are one of the many people that simply lap up the milk. hey i made a mistake, well what do you know, i am human after all. Look Peter, I am not without fault either nor do I expect you to be something other than a human being and when humans beings make mistakes, they usually make an apology instead of stoically justifying it by sweeping it under the carpet. This I am afraid is not exercising self responsibility but shying away from it, which is a bit of a let down. >>>>>>>>>if you asked me what i know about creation it would not be exactly what the plejarens say. in the case of the universe and it's dynamics and all that stuff, sure i will repeat what i read here, but there's much i've learned on my own from not trusting what the plejarens say etc. The context in which I asked about what Creation was to you was to make you understand that the deeper wisdom and priceless value contained in those TJ parables and passages have universal validity that defies time, era and the personalities that express it. And since it's eternal and is valid for all times, the backward compatibility comes into play, meaning because we have been given this rare opportunity to learn the eternal and the ultimate truth, no one is above it therefore if one learns and applies them, this is done on one's own volition and will and so it represents an expression of one's independent thinking. This you didn't understand properly and have missed the vital meaning. >>>>>>>>>>>>i didnt say it was an expression of non-independant thinking, dont get so touchy. you are reaching into my words too deep. in anycase, i aint trying to attack you, i admit i am stubborn and i may come of a bit harsh, oh well, that's life. Frankly I expected more from a spiritualized person whose out there to seek and create a better world in which to live in rather than this lame response Peter. I am not trying to attack you Peter but then again, you must also be a party to the very circumstantial forces to which you have created for others and to feel for yourself what your words would mean to you as the receiver, isn't that how you termed it. Anyway that's life. Cheers Matt}} | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 914 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Folks, just a reminder, this section is reserved for FIGU related discussion, such as visitng the center, obtaining FIGU membership etc. Thanks Scott-Moderator | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 01-2004 |
sorry scott i apoligize for mixing up the content with my posts, please allow this one last post as i would like to close my conversation with newinitiation on a positive level... new initiation, "Peter, I was wondering for the sake of clarity whether you could explain what you are trying to say here, I realise that English may not be your mother tongue but if you expect to be understood, you need to make yourself more clear than this lest another misunderstanding ensues." see how easily you are manipulated when your emotions write the paragraphs? i spelled many words deliberetly incorrectly as to see wether or not you would react to that, it seems you have. if your a fan of my posts as you seem to be, you would have read the things i said about manipulation and control. reality is a kicker aint it? and enlish is indeed my more refined language of choice. "I am trying to read between the lines here with this one but there is nothing there, so you might need to explain the relevance of your words to how or why it should apply to my statement you are responding to. " i offered you a thought, an opinion, a notion...(a sandwhich) you took it as an attack. although it was'nt meant to be a word for word thing, once again you dig too deep, perhaps from reading some of my other posts you base your outlook of me on those few posts? "Peter, this wasn't a literal question from my behalf but a metaphorical conveyance of what should have been self evident in light of what was discussed previously. " allthough i intend to be in the future, i am not a psychic, so forgive me if i did'nt understand your question. it was a question right? "Look Peter, I am not without fault either nor do I expect you to be something other than a human being and when humans beings make mistakes, they usually make an apology instead of stoically justifying it by sweeping it under the carpet. This I am afraid is not exercising self responsibility but shying away from it, which is a bit of a let down. " i dont apoligize if i have confidence in my reasons and their justifications. do you expect someone to fold like a napkin just because you made 10 paragraphs worth of points? what is considered sweeping things under the rug to you, may be "letting things go" for others. i would like to know who gave me that 5 star rating, as there is really thought out and wonderful things in my last 3 posts, perhaps that person realized what im getting at here, through clashing with you. "The context in which I asked about what Creation was to you was to make you understand that the deeper wisdom and priceless value contained in those TJ parables and passages have universal validity that defies time, era and the personalities that express it. And since it's eternal and is valid for all times, the backward compatibility comes into play, meaning because we have been given this rare opportunity to learn the eternal and the ultimate truth, no one is above it therefore if one learns and applies them, this is done on one's own volition and will and so it represents an expression of one's independent thinking. This you didn't understand properly and have missed the vital meaning. " i know the value of the tj, and the man who is quoted in it is a great person for all times... i just dont quote the canon's like some people, the tj is great, but taking the high road (to me) is greater. you understand much, so why cant you understand that? "Frankly I expected more from a spiritualized person whose out there to seek and create a better world in which to live in rather than this lame response Peter. I am not trying to attack you Peter but then again, you must also be a party to the very circumstantial forces to which you have created for others and to feel for yourself what your words would mean to you as the receiver, isn't that how you termed it. Anyway that's life." for you to expect anything from me is unreasonable, for you to ask something of me is totally understandable more spiritualized? i didnt claim to be more evolved spiritually more than anyone else, i have only shared my experiences, and if somebody does'nt even come close to what i have felt seen and been through, they should'nt get all chocked up about it. it sems to me you are on a mission to prove your self worth, and in the process you distort my words by twisting them to your own view of the matter at hand. i dont look down on you for it, you make it all the more worth while and i sincerely thank you for not sitting down and taking it like some victim. you remind me of einstein, smart man but requires 4 paragraphs to write out 7 sentences... know what i mean? thanks for this joyful experience, i learn a lot from a little, what most deem insignificant i consider golden light, i was hungrey and you fed my belly. thanks once again and have a succsesful journey in finding the truth about underground dwelling highly-evolved humans. if you want to go down some tunnels or dark caves let me know, i'll bring my machette and we can blaze a trail. after all the only way you'll know what's down their is if you go yourself. have a nice day | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 314 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Spaceman, yes indeed, I certainly do agree with the second last sentence in your 91st posting, and I am very glad you made the vital point that none of this FIGU stuff is meant to be BELIEVED, which is the topic of Vivienne's most recent article published on September 22nd. www.gaiaguys.net/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm She optimistically avoided reaching the obvious conclusion for the reader in the hope that he/she was capable of doing that him/herself. There are two separate issues here that I don’t want to see conflated. 1.) what I relate from the FIGU material is truly part of that material, i.e., they truly say this. And 2.) what I relate is actually true. Common sense logic tells us that, were I lying about what's in the material, one of our sharp-eyed German-speaking moderators would quite rightly descend upon me like a ton of bricks. I hope so anyway. :-/ Number 2 is something that each individual must take personal responsibility to logically determine though hard logical study. If I say I think something is true, or even if I say I KNOW something is true, that's MY conclusion, which is a result of MY work, and common sense demands that it should be taken that way. Most people here know that Michael Horn and I are on the record (years before we met) as stating that we NEVER believed the Plejaren with their various increasingly silly and contradictory fairytales about crop circles. (See abovementioned article), and - after a LOT of research by Vivienne and me, we are both utterly convinced that the infamous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion www.gaiaguys.net/Protocols.htm is similarly genuine, as even the most superficial logical examination of the 1921 “refutation” reveals, in spite of FIGU “distancing itself from claims that it is true”. (Notice the circumlocution.) “Those Who Lie [there’s that word!] About Contacts” is a must read (FIGU shop) because it also includes Billy’s explanation about the manner in which a prophet has to relay the truth, which we are all obliged to be very careful with, because if you don’t think it is a dangerously sharp double-edged sword, then check your pulse. It cuts. It burns. It’s dangerous in the hands of us Earth children. Billy & Co. withhold a lot in order to protect us. Thank Creation. TJ 10 39-49. "Therefore, beware of Israel because it is like a festering boil. However, do not be afraid of them, because there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed and nothing secret that will not be known. What I tell you in darkness, speak in the light; and what is whispered into your ear, proclaim from the rooftops. Do not be afraid of evil slander, nor fear those who take life and limb. Do not think that I have come to bring peace on Earth. Truly, I have not come to bring peace, but the sword of knowledge about the power of the spirit, which dwells within the human being. For I have come to bring wisdom and knowledge and to provoke mankind: son against his father, daughter against her mother, daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, servant against master, citizen against government and believer against preacher. The people's enemies will be their own housemates. The path of truth is long and the wisdom of knowledge will only penetrate slowly. Dark ages will follow, centuries and millennia, before the truth of the spirit will penetrate to the people. The unrighteous and the ignorant, including the scribes, priests and the authorities, will hate those who have the knowledge and will, therefore, persecute them and sow enmity." I know Jmmanuel spoke the truth, and I also know that OM, the Book of Truth, is true, but I do NOT want you to take my word for it. That’s religion, and that’s the very thing we work so hard to expose as spiritual and psychic poison. (Please see www.gaiaguys.net/OMintro.htm ) But if, several years ago, FIGU had been pressed for an answer about the Apollo 11 Moon hoax, FIGU would have been forced - for their members' own personal safety - to reply, “FIGU distances itself from any claims that Apollo 11 [there’s that number again!] is a hoax.” 21 assassination attempts (and counting) speaks persuasively. “The Earth human does not want to know the truth”- Ptaah Some sects of Buddhism still have some teachings from the (genuine) prophet Buddha, which have remained intact to this day, and this is the one that tops my autobiographical webpage, written six years before I found the genuine prophet Billy: "Doubt everything. Find your own light." - Last words of Gotama Buddha, in Theravada tradition Now please everybody stop asking me questions, here and in your numerous personal emails, because I have other FIGU work to do and can't do other people's research for them. Learn German as quickly as you can. Learn German. Learn German. Learn German. Thanks for your understanding. Cheers! Dyson P.S. Learn German. P.P.S. I don't know where this posting belongs, Scott, so I'll let you decide, thanks. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 686 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Celestialbrother... Concerning your question to Billy. If I may coach you a bit, here? If I remember it correctly: Arus and Jesas were NOT a JHWH/IHWH! In the sense of being benevolent/ positive beings: 'gods: King(s) Of Wisdom'. Arus and Jesas were more or less, just as Jehova - a 'JHFH/IHFI' - : a NON King Of Wisdom, if you will! Meaning a (False) King of Falsehoods, Lies, Deceptions, Misleading, Power Hungry...etc. In short: Utilizing their (well developed evolution) Wisdom to Enslave human beings....etc. Seeing and utilizing it's potentials, and to Conquer! Edward. | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi Scott, My question about the DAL and DERN universes was answered by a forum member, if you can replace my question I would want to as: Are the Ainu related to any race of ETs? If you could please replace my current question with the above, Thank you. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello everyone, I have found what seems to be a BIG discrepency in the contact notes if anyone cares to comment on it or clarify. First though I would like to state that I am not a skeptic so I did not post this in the skeptic section of the forum. I just would like clarification. Here goes: On this page http://theyfly.com/newsflash4/twa800.htm at theyfly.com is posted some of BEAMs contact notes about the Moriches Bay flight 800 incident. At the beginning part of this page it clearly says that this incident, which occured AFTER the 1995 departure of the Plejarans from Earth, was detected by the PLEJARAN AIRBORNE MONITORING DEVICES. Note that this says devices, plural. In contact 251, Ptaah states that ALL telemetering devices except the milimeters small one stationed solely over the FIGU SSSC, were removed from Earth. This contact happened in 95 and the Moriches Bay contacts happened after so there is a definite conflict in info. Any comments??? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think there is just one telemeter disc in service right now hovering over the center.The disc is just 7 mm thick, that is 1/3 inch perhaps? and includes some kind of cloaking technology.This disc would be responsible for allowing telepathic contacts since 1995.How the hell is Ptaah aware of all what`s happening on earth? I mean Lebanon, Palestine, the tsunami in asia.....There must be some kind of device helping to do dirty work. It is not probable that this disc can be discovered and/or stolen by the military or any government. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Thomas, Good point! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day hector With so many sightings from all over the globe of brightly lit orbs which I and 6 other witnesses plus many more subsequent people had a chance of observing in broad daylight right on top of a major city for nearly an hour leaves little doubt in my mind that many telemeter monitoring discs are in operation to this day. Why I say this is because although I have considered telenotic influences and possibilities of terrestrial crafts being the cause, I cannot discount the fact of seeing holographic projections of many clusters of gray tinged orbs close to where we were then simply vanish could not simply be attributed to no known terrestrial source be it so highly back engineered. I gather that many things change constantly with varying circumstances so I cannot rely on over 10 years old information to accurately reflect the current situation except the spiritual information. cheers Matt | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks Jake! And Hector, I agree that according to Ptaah there is only the ONE 7 mm disc (stationed over the Semjase Silver Star Center) so the other statement by Ptaah about the Moriches Bay Incident is a mistery to me. As far as being aware of all of this stuff, remember that technology and COOPERATION with all of your own people goes far in collecting and understanding large quantites of info. In the Moriches Bay info, if I remember, Ptaah did not have certain info until Florena informed him. See what I mean?? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 312 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hello everyone I was wondering whether it's a common experience for you members when there is this inner calling and inner emptiness when for some reason or another you haven't been able to participate on this forum for some time or that you haven't been able to continue with your Creational spiritual studies. Due to unforseen circumstances, I haven't been able to regularly participate on this forum and continue diligently with my spiritual studies and I have noticed that the powers of self control and path to spiritual life diminishes the more I read less of the material. It's akin to missing a part of your organ or appendage from the feelings I got which I can't adequately explain other than the fact that just as the body requires sustenance and nourishment, likewise the spirit needs constant stimulus to incite the required impulses and ideas into thought form in order to open the portal for the spirit to express itself unhindered by the material consciousness driven thoughts only. Just on another note, the place I do the PM has in its vincinity, a nice group of tall trees and underneath one of them is where I perform the Pm. Over the years this tree has grown so majestically tall standing proudly towards the heavens and it resembles the peace symbol. Everytime I sit underneath it, I get this serene sense of peace and calm amidst the tumultuous surroundings. Now if this place is where I had engaged in PM for some time, can it be true that the peace impulses can be conducive to the growth of the tree as well as store within the tree the peace impulse vibrations, which I more often than not, sense more and more? cheers Matt | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 06-2005 |
Care to share as to WHERE is your 'heaven on earth'? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1005 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Folks, just a reminder, this section is reserved for FIGU related discussion, such as visitng the center, obtaining a FIGU membership etc. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 329 Registered: 07-2005 |
Sorry Scott, can you allow me to answer Melli, thanks Dear Melli Yeah not far from where you live Melli Is it foggy in your neck of the woods from the Victorian bush fires? Cheers Matt |
