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    James Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 07-2005 |
Multiculturalism is divisive. Each individual has the right to exist within a sovereign group of people who are significantly (or totally) representative of their racial and cultural kind. There are vicious gangs of Arabs, Mexicans and Blacks, often locally born, over the world who don't shy away from attacking others because they form ghettos and don't make an effort to relate to the general populace. They are far more likely to beat their victim to death in the most bestial way than other races like Europeans or Asians. The politicians should put aside political correctness and cease immigration otherwise the misguided White Nationalist groups will gain lots of support. I'm quite sure there will be civil wars due to this. It will truly explode. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 03-2008 |
You are wrong....in Europe there are similar gangs of white people who would beat to death their victims...and it has nothing to do with Blacks, Mexicans or Arabs. Adrian. | ||
James Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yes, there are sick white gangs like the Russian skinheads in Europe. I'm sure there are many others, but I'll stick by my opinion that there exists more gang cultures among some races disproportionate to others that harass innocent people. From what I've witnessed in Australia its usually Arab packs that like to pick fights for no apparent reason. The blacks in commission blocks are becoming another problem. The Asians and Especially Indians are usually fine. But the Arab gangs cannot be denied in Melbourne and Sydney. The issue is ignored because people don't want to be labeled racist. People I trust can also attest to from other regions, its only what we see with our own eyes. The media is afraid to face it, and maybe for the better actually as it would probably increase tensions. But the Government should act and close the borders. Maybe then in a few generations things will improve. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2006 |
Does it seem like most of the negative traits of many of our earth people are the most pronounced when there is a migration into a different culture and/or country than where they originated? The origins of people's countries are all but lost after a while because they perhaps don't fit well in the current society and the sense of satisfaction and belonging is very low and many are left to fend for themselves. Much of the built in controls of behavior and moderation as well as just good home training are nonexistent. Can we chalk this up to the overpopulation issue as most people are looking for something better and move to where they just can't fit in? | ||
Phenix New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi James, I am afraid that reducing the (mis)behavior of people to their races and/of ethnicities is not very helpful - and maybe even contrary to the teaching of the Oneness of all Humanity. I do think that there are many factors to be considered here, specially in the case of those young people, who are born in the country where their parents recently settled: identity crisis; feeling excluded;lack of (egal) opportunities; discrimination and racism; limited access to proper education; being considered 'second class' citizens; stigmatisation; being seen as an alien problem by right-ring political parties and the media, constantly stressing the differences and hammering the issue instead of engaging their new fellow citizens in order to find a reasonable solution... Salome! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 336 Registered: 10-2005 |
Redbeard, Those who feel they can improve their life by moving to another place... find their idea of happiness has not changed. Although, they may have had expectations in that regard. Happiness is not a place but a feeling one has inside, it comes from within. It comes from loving yourself. So if these people move to find their inner selves and then fail to find their inner selves... then guess what, they are not happy... People who are happy find happiness, people who are not, don't. | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2008 |
There will always be those gangs or little mafias in every race of people....be it Arabs, Russians, Italians, etc... Talking about Arabs, I have Arab friends who are just fine...they usually tend to do something unpleasant while in a group...but they have a warrior-like blood so to say and when they are angered well they don't like it...just like many other people... If the government closes the borders there will always be a gang in that country...not necessarily emigrants... there are other things that influence this violence from emigrants...for example the collision of cultures... Adrian. | ||
Phenix New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Comrades, I agree with Redbeard and Adrian. I just want to add, regarding the opinion of Redbeard, that for some emigrants moving to other countries is rather a matter of pure elementary, physical survival. Alas! Some people - our own fellow Humans - have every single morning to fight, to look for food and drinking water, those things we,in other parts of the world, take for granted. I think that this situation is a painful and blunt illustration of the degree of disbalance in which we brought our societies, for the state of World Affairs is such that, in one part of the world, food and other commodities are being wasted, harvest being burned(to keep the prices high), huge resources are being invested in the military and the conquest of the space, while in another part, a piece of bread and a glass of water are a matter of daily survival and people can hardly keep their Human Dignity; Humans die here of diseases and other 'simple' bacteries, while the remedy is there long ago found - but not made available(also regarding the price) to the needies. It is a shame; our ways of doing things are below Human Dignity and contain no trace of the Spirituality, which is supposed to be our genuine essence. We need another, a completely new world order and the teaching of Herr Meier indicates the path to be consciously built and followed. Salome! Adam. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1193 Registered: 02-2000 |
The Approaching “Human Katrina” of poverty, misery and overpopulation, but so what? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Frosty Wooldridge Re: “A majority minority nation-but so what?” Chavez/DP/8/17/08 Aristotle said, “Tolerance and apathy are the first signs of a dying society.” Linda Chavez noted in Sunday’s DP column that by 2042, the United States transforms from a majority nation to a minority dominated nation. She said, “Hispanics, Asians and blacks will outnumber whites by 32 million…but so what?” That new minority-majority arrives from merciless, relentless and massive immigration from poor, destitute, third world countries. Chavez asks, “But so what?” We must answer that question with sobering realities we face as a civilization. The March PEW Report noted the USA will add 138 million people by 2050. Source: “Immigration to Play Lead Role in U.S Population Growth from 2005 to 2050, Pew Research Study Finds” If current trends continue, the population of the United States will rise to 438 million in 2050, from 296 million in 2005, and 82% of the increase will be due to immigrants arriving from 2005 to 2050 and their U.S.-born descendants, according to new projections developed by the Pew Research Center. Colorado’s own Dr. Albert Bartlett adds his wisdom to the debate over overpopulation Our own “Can you think of any problem in any area of human endeavor on any scale, from the microscopic to global, whose long-term solution is in any demonstrable way aided, assisted, or advanced by further increases in population, locally, nationally, or globally?” As I’ve noted many times, no one at the highest levels of leadership or journalism understands our accelerating overpopulation dilemma. They ignore it at all costs. Yet, it will cost us our civilization’s ability to function. Mark my words as I’ve seen what’s coming in my world travels. That new minority-majority represents a new and profoundly poorer America where education falters today only to be exacerbated by millions in the coming years. It means our middle class cannot survive against cheap labor, falling wages and loss of standard of living. We see it today with 28 million Americans on food stamps. Source: “As Jobs Vanish and Prices Rise, Food Stamp Use Nears Record” “But recent rises in many states appear to be resulting mainly from the economic slowdown, officials and experts say, as well as inflation in prices of basic goods that leave more families feeling pinched. Citing expected growth in unemployment, the Congressional Budget Office this month projected a continued increase in the monthly number of recipients in the next fiscal year, starting Oct. 1 — to 28 million, up from 27.8 million in 2008, and 26.5 million in 2007.” We see it with millions of immigrant children utilizing free education their parents can’t pay for, free breakfast and lunch programs paid for by American citizens. We see it in 76 percent high school failure rates by immigrants in high schools in Detroit, Michigan as reported by NBC’s Brian Williams. Many other large American cities cities feature similar failure rates. Source: http://www.city-data.com/forum/michigan/295284-boy-detroit-high-schools-only-graduate-2.html “But so what?” Chavez said. The National Coalition for the Homeless, www.nationalhomeless.org reported 3.5 million homeless people struggled for survival in the streets of America in 2006. Of that number, 1.35 million consist of homeless children. Reports show 13 million American children suffer daily from malnutrition and hunger in America. A shocking 37 million Americans live below the poverty line, which is 12.7 percent of our population. Twelve to as many as 20 million illegal aliens residing in America make up the largest high school drop out population in the history of the nation. Illegitimate birth rates skyrocket in hospitals across the country causing horrific costs to American taxpayers. “But so what?” Chavez said. Can we deal with a massive and growing illiterate population? How will we contend countless Americans featuring scant educational skills? How will we deal with millions of babies from their ranks? If we can’t educate half of our own minorities, how will we educate this massive overload of humanity? To give you a harsh view of our future, I’ve traveled throughout Mexico. On the outskirts of Mexico City with 22 million people, in excess of two million people live in cardboard shacks. They squat for their morning constitutional with their chickens. They live in abject misery, filth, disease and hopelessness. Guess what? They’re moving to America. Millions of them! Third world slums began appearing along our borders from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in the 80s. They’re called “Colonias,” which in Spanish means “new neighborhoods.” They feature shacks, no sewers, no streets, no running water, no electricity, toilet facilities or waste pickup. The New York Times, March 3, 1988, “Along the US Border, a Third World is Reborn,” reported, “Colonias are rusted trailers and shacks nailed together from tar paper and packing pallets without indoor toilets…with mounds of uncollected trash that attract rats…the lack of sanitation has polluted the ground water to the point where many residents drink their own waste…the colonias feature Third World levels of hepatitis, dysentery, diarrhea, skin rashes, cholera and tuberculosis…they are contaminated, explosive, fecal, filthy, illegal, miserable, polluted, powder kegs, putrid, shocking, sick, stench filled, suffering and wrenching.” Since their appearance in the early 80s, according to the Times: “The 1988 population totaled 185,000; the 1995 population exceeded 500,000; the 2005 population exceeded 1.5 million. At the current rate of growth, these human misery settlements shall reach 20 million by 2021.” I spent two weeks filming colonias in Texas. I haven’t been as sickened to my stomach since my travels in Asia. It’s worse than any description the New York Times or I could give you. Colonias represent human misery at its disturbing worst levels. These slums represent a health hazard of unprecedented dimensions. Given enough time, large areas of southern California will resemble the outskirts of Mexico City. Two decades of denial continues the expansion of American “colonias.” “But so what?” Chavez said. We cannot import millions of desperately poor, illiterate and hard working people from Third World countries and think they will become functioning, positive aspects in a First World country. Holland, France and Great Britain’s immigration policies fail on every level. Ours does, too! What about our working poor? What about degraded educational opportunities for our children? As we choke on millions of people from other countries, they displace our working poor as immigrants depress wages. What are we creating? A permanent poor class! In reality, a growing and dangerous slave class! As it stands today, millions of Americans can’t pay for heating and electricity bills. They rely on donations by other Americans to cover those bills. At some point, as this new poor class expands into millions upon millions—something will fail. What is that? Our ability to deal with it or solve it! The American Dream degrades into the American Nightmare Former Colorado Governor Lamm said, “We are the only country in history to change its ethnic makeup, and history has few examples of ‘diversity’ creating a stable society.” As we import millions of poor into our country to become the new majority-minority—we cheat our children and our civilization out of any chance for a viable, stable or sustainable future—for all races, creeds and colors. One lady I interviewed said, “We’ll be no different than the misery, suffering and human nightmare that now makes up India. We are becoming another India. I feel sorry for my grandchildren.” “But so what?” said Chevez. Take action: www.numbersusa.com ; www.thesocialcontract.com ; www.fairus.org ; www.frostywooldridge.com ; www.cairco.org My Website | ||
Phenix New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Norm, Yes, "But so what?", indded! The Indian Nation(you barely hear about!)is the righteous 'owner' of this land; everyone else arrived there one way or the other and is, historically and technically considered, an emigrant. I see nothing wrong in the change of the composition of the US population, as a result of a natural process and i find the approach of this analysis - based on ethnicities, races and colors - to be pretty devisive. And besides, why should it be so that a specific race must be dominant in a given society - in this case the White one? I think that there are two different questions here: - the overpopulation, a real and urgent problem to be urgently and wisely solved; - and the change of the composition of a given society with the possible changes it might cause. It seems to me that poverty and misery would arise from the second question only if we choose to stick to the status quo, to the current economic model(s) and the modes of production, distribution and use of created and/of natural resources, which precisely brought us into the ongoing tragic global situation. The world we now live in is the world we ourselves created. We can always change, adjust or reject the reality we set up. There is nothing that forbides us to wisely and with open arms welcome the New Comers, make some room for them, provide them with proper education and access to the opportunities we have and allow them to realize themselves and their potentials for the good of the society as a whole. It is hence a matter of choice, openness, solidarity, wisdom and management. PS: it seems to me that Aristoteles was quoted out of context: he was the teacher of Alexander The Great, the very champion of the idea of mixing different races within his empire. Saalome! Adam. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1177 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi James and All..... Well, Billy did mention that WE should all stay in the country we live or originate from. Immigrations will only 'fuel' the fire, by those whom are Ignorant to their human relations with foreigners. And in war time, it will indeed get worse, as it is mentioned in the Henoch Prophecies. So, it is indeed, the governments Duty, to do as much to generate the proper steps to Prevent such calamities to manifest themselves...NOW, before this manifests in War time! Thus: it is our governments duty to prevent those Demonizing Scenarios, which can only make things worse! Starting in our present...time! I think that, the Plejarans even once mentioned, that ANY very Radical Group(s) of ANY types: should be Eradicated, at once! Or contained into another environment, to keep the Peace for those whom want to live a life in Peace and Harmony and in Equilibrium. [Similar scenario, as the planet Earth was once a Prison Planet; containment for criminals...etc...!] Discrimination WILL....Always Be! Even in the country I live, this is an everyday aspect! Have encountered it personally, in the past! The Labor Party here, once conducted a research into Discrimination obtaining jobs, and surely, there was indeed...spoken of Discrimination in the workplace. The Labor Party should have resolved the problem...but they did not! And things only got worse! They just as the Christian Party as well as the so-called Freedom(Liberal) Parties, also....did nothing about it! And when 9/11 came around the corner: well.....you can do the thinking on that one...... So, now, the last information I know of, is that 10% of the workplace has to be occupied with non nationals. Even if this is against the sense of the company....etc. So, it is now, that there is improvements being made. The foreigners as Americans, Canadians, English, Austrailans, Italians, Spaniards, Turks, Moroccans,....etc, have adapted themselves quite positively and properly; and/but now: EU borders are open, and now the Eastern Block countries are rolling in. And this because the Politicians want THEIR Economics to flourish! What do they care when it comes down to Overpopulating (and Racism and Discrimination in)their country? HOW selfish can One get!! [Anyone saying that the above mentioned are not adjusting and adapting themselves, to the country...is just NOT Adjusting and Adapting...him-her-self to the mentioned/them, and have a - Xenophobic - tendency! Life is a TWO way road!!] The above mentioned will surely generated the unnecessary 'friction', alas! Just as I have seen and experienced in the past. And the - Xenophobic - tendencies will only GROW! As the Plejarans have mentioned...and is mentioned in the Prophecies. We, as Individuals....should try and make our existence here...on Earth as pleasant and harmonious...as possible, still. And as long as we KNOW...what is mentioned in the Prophecies: WE KNOW....WHAT'S COMING....!!! Edward. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1195 Registered: 02-2000 |
The Indian Nation made the mistake of letting the white man in. They should have fought to the last man to keep them out. Its a prefect example of what happens when theres illegal immigration. My Website | ||
James Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 07-2005 |
My two posts here were poorly worded. Anyhow whats your opinion on my following statement "Multiculturalism is divisive. Each individual has the right to exist within a sovereign group of people who are significantly (or totally) representative of their racial and cultural kind." I'm thinking about the prophecies regarding a future Eurasian race demanding the Eurasia region, such a huge landmass, as their own. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia ----------- CONTACT 251 -------------- Problems will also occur within human populations because their relative immortality, that is, the increase in human longevity, will amount to life spans of from 350 to 450 years. This increase in longevity will also precipitate increasingly greater problems of overpopulation and all other subsequent obstacles, which will include migrations that will result in new types of interbred peoples. Among them will be a group who call themselves Eurasians. They will demand the Eurasian region for their homeland at a time when the 'semi-humans', those human-animal, genetically-manipulated creatures and the robot-humans will be creating incredible problems. ------------------------- Should inter-racial relationships be restricted? Consider some of the mulatto in the US (half black half white) think themselves of a different variety than straight Africans. Will they one day want to break away like the Eurasians? Welcome to Earth! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1178 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm..... The Indian Nation DID NOT...let the white man in! The White Man, just TOOK OVER....through Murder, Destruction....etc. Similar to what the Israeli/Hebreons/Jews did in the middle east region...thousands of years ago....to the Palestinians. Of course they fought back! It was pure - Overkill -. Bows and Arrows are nothing compared to Canons and Guns! To some point: Compromise had to be made, to keep their race and heritage, alive. [White Man still breaking some 400-500 Peacetreaties, even....which than speaks for itself.] And yes, the White Man just as the Israeli/Hebreons/Jews did/do occupy as Illegal Migrants. But the Illegal Migrants (mentioned above) THEN, fought to obtain the country, through their Megalomaniac Cult Religion MADNESS! [Distorted Judeo/Catholic/Christian Indoctrination Dogmas; as Billy would say: How else could it be!] Whereas, is not the case with those whom come in Illegally these days....silently creeping in(; for economical reason). Distinction must be made, here. But still, as the Plejarans have said: Man should just stay in the country of origin, and not immigrant/migrate....to prevent any type of Racial Disputes, etc, for today... as well as for future events, etc. If so: the Consequences is theirs! Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1179 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi James..... I understand your point of view. You still being somewhat new....to the Billy Meier Materials, should be understood. And what you posted is also very familiar to me. It does bring up questions. Indeed, Compromise will have to be made, when that....time comes. And when we are there...than, the proper judgement can be made. Too immature, to make any statements, now to the concerning, I would say. Your question: Should inter-racial relationships be restricted? Well, we live in times of much Freedoms, and if we would restrict inter- racial relationships...etc: this would be taking away the Freedom to Choose...whom we Love...etc; being from another people(s). This is about all I can say, to be honest. I can not be the judge of making any type of statement, that can be implicated, for usage. To some point, some inter-racial peoples may indeed want their Identity being Acknowledge, I would say. Just as I am from Dutch/Indonesian roots, and we are called - Jndjsch/Indisch -(not Indonesian) i.e.: Mixed with Dutch(European) and Indonesian(Asian) blood lineage. There was a point that our lineage...were to be 'erased' from certain Dutch history records, but thanks to some very knee and sharp Jndjsch representatives (some I know), this was altered into the Correct Direction: Now our Freedom Statue is back for viewing (it was suddenly missing!; someone put it in a storage building, can you imagine!), and now we can feel Free again and proud of our linage and heritage...that the statue represents(WE, Jndjsch even fought in the second World War and lost lives, for the Dutch: this, the THANKS WE GET!). And our Jndjsch Identity is now Safeguarded for our future offspring/lineage, and so forth. So, when One/Race/People has experience as we did: we truly want to be Acknowledge and Recognize through our Jndjsch Identity. Just as any other Race/Peoples, would want it to be. Having the RIGHT...to do so. And NO: we have NO Homeland. We are now, scattered through out the whole world. We can not say that the Netherlands is our Homeland or even say that Indonesia is our Homeland; this IS....indeed, STILL.....our straggle point! We can not say that we have a True Homeland, that we can call our own and HOME. But we are Content with the lives we are living, today. Edward. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Phenix, I felt as though I was leaving you hanging and that didn't seem right to me as you have taken this to heart, so I will try to further this a little more. I would like us to be friends and i do not want you to feel some sort of animosity toward me when we have so much good to share here. It seems that you are trying to force me to restate my questions in a way that addresses the questions you have to ask. Why don't you simply ask those questions yourself. You sound as though you want me to reword my question as though I have some sort of an agenda that meets with how you are misinterpreting what I asked. I have not asked the question "How has Obama changed things for the good?" I can ask that if you want me to, but that was not the question. I believe he will definitely be a wonderful influence and asset to all Americans no matter their color. But that is not my concern. nor my question. is there some way that I can ask that question so that it cannot be rewordrd to sound racist? I doubt it. But my concern and question still remains the same. so my question to you Phenix, is this: "May I ask this question in a way that it addresses my original intent?" or should I just refrain from posting any of my thoughts on the board that will involve anything to do with race relations? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 375 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings in True Peace to All, To add a nickels' worth to the this Discussion, a few thoughts. Emigration and Immigration may be the ONLY choice for some People, or Groups of People. The choice is made by Many for sheer Survival. For Many, it is NOT a decision made due to a relative 'UnHappiness' with their surroundings &c. To share from my own background...: The 'Genetic Composite' of the Material Body which I now Inhabit, is French, Native American ('Indian'), Danish (Viking), with a little English and a few Others stirred in - for Flavor. The French lineage is my Father's-Father's-Father's direct line, which came over to America (before it became a Nation) from France in 1632, almost 400-Years ago. My Family then, in France, were of a religious group known as Huguenots, which were French Protestants raised up from the Reforms of John Calvin. In the late 1500's, the Catholics of France began a 'Pogrom' of Extermination of the Huguenots. This started with the Slaughter of some 8,000 Huguenots, which had gathered in Paris for a Wedding Ceremony. When the Catholic Pope heard of this Slaughter, He ordered Bonfires to be lit in Celebration. That, of course, encouraged the Mad-Dogs to continue the Pogrom in France. Catholic Knights, along with conscripts, engaged in a "Holy War" against Huguenots in their Towns and Villages. Those "courageous Knights" would sweep into a Village in the Dark of Night - raping, killing, and burning every Man, Woman, and Child in their Homes, leaving behind Fires of the entire Village, with the few Survivors screaming for Mercy inside. You may wonder why I have a 'Distaste' for Catholics. Well - QED. Those in villages yet untouched scattered to the 'Four-Corners' of Earth to save themselves and their Families. My surviving Ancestors chose this New Land, now the Nation of America. My Mother's Father came to America from Denmark. His name was changed from Olan Vollediger to Olan Fuller upon entry to this Country (I guess 'officials' couldn't pronounce the original). He lived with Us during the last few months of His Life, in our Home in New Hampshire, during the Korean War in the early 1950's. He told me then, that His Ancestry included Erik den Røde (Erik the Red, in English). Erik the Red was a fierce Viking Chief. You would not know this from looking upon my Grandfather, as He was a Gentle Spirit. I remember seeing Him writing Poetry while sitting in our Kitchen. The Vikings conducted raids, interbred, conquered, and established trade throughout the 'Old World' of Europe. This included all along the coasts of France, and up all the Rivers, even into Paris. What is little acknowledged, is that the Vikings 'Discovered' and Settled in North America long before Columbus made His first Journey. There are still yet Ruins and Writings of Symbols carved in Stone, some of which are considered 'Anomalies' among Anthropologists or Archeologists. One such 'Anomaly' is the Kennsington Runestone found in Minnesota. Other 'Anomalies' keep popping up in unexpected places, including down as far as Oklahoma. My Mother's Mother was from a remnant of the Native People of the Algonquin Tribes of New England. They were from the Pemigewasset / Pennacook Confederacy. This Confederacy was, in turn, a part of the Five-Nations of the Iroquois Federation. The Iroquois Federation actually was a Civilized Society, complete with a CONSTITUTION. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations named as - The Great Binding Law - GAYANASHAGOWA. The Constitution of the Iroquois Federation was, indeed, the Model for the Constitution of the United States. It is BECAUSE the Early Natives WERE a civil People is the reason that the arrivals from Europe were NOT thrown back into the Sea, but rather welcomed and assisted with food and crops (thus 'Thanksgiving'). For one Reference (among many), please see: http://tuscaroras.com/pages/history/about_iroquois_constitution.html Well, of course, the Settlers brought plagues of Smallpox and other Deadly Diseases which Decimated the People, the Ancestors of my Tribe among them. Then, were the Establishment of Settlements, Towns, the clear-cutting of Timber, the Land-grabbing, and the Wars which altogether ended a Naturally-Beautiful Way-of-Life. Co-Existence ended and the Native People were Submerged by the onslaught of the 'new-comers.' The remnant from the Original People of my Ancestor Tribe now have no Homeland, not even a Reservation, and live along and among the Towns of the Whites there in New Hampshire. So then, People do not Immigrate/Emigrate around for the 'pleasure' of a new place, but more so out of necessity and for Survival. And still my Spirit is Neutral in all this, yet with Honor I see those Who came before. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 07-2008 |
Herzliche Grüße to you all, Kameraden, Herr J_rod7, Vielen Dank for your Input; this Discussion can indeed use a bit of Neutral-Positivity and that is the whole Point. I was in Iceland last Summer, in August. I visited of course the 'Viking Saga Museum' in Perlan(the Pearl), in Reykjavik, where i remained for quite a while admiring the Figure of Erik den Røde and the Description of his Life Path; before heading to Eiriksstadir to see the House-Museum of Leifur Eiriksson(i shall send you some Pictures), from where Erik den Røde left - after some well known Event involving his Neighbor - to discover Greenland and his Lineage, America itself, indeed. In Reykjavik i stayed in a Hotel called 'Sunna'(jawohl!), meaning simply 'Sun'. So, Bruder im Geist, i have some Idea of what you wrote about. Now then. Member Pathfinder, You seem to be convinced that i 'took it personally', for since my Post 129 - where, i tried to point out how dangerous and futile it is to hang on to gruff Generalization and inquisitive, 'blame,' Approach of human Matters - you keep repeating that. Yes, i 'took it to Heart', if you will, to the Degree that this Issue treats of Earth Mankind, all human Beings, a Topic in which i do have some Say. I assure you that you would have found me on your Way, were you to write about and describe - in the same Context, in the same Spirit, from the same Perspective, with the same Words - any human Race. History provides us indeed with enough eloquent Examples of the Consequences to which an Approach and an Appreciation of human Matters based on the Grounds of the Genders, Beliefs, Colors, Ethnicities of those involved in those Events and matters, as the sole Criteria, could lead. Think of the traditional Role of Women in our Societies and their Institutions; religious Wars throughout History; Slavery; Discrimination; the Persecution of other Sensitivities within, among others, Christianity and Islam; the 'Pogrom' and Holocaust; the latest being the 'War on Terror' onder the 'enlightened Guidance' of Mr Bush, with the Motto, "those who are not with us, are against us", whereby thousand of People, several Countries and races became a potential Target, just for having the same Religion as Mr Bin Laden - it is quite interesting to see, in this Regard, how some tried to define and therefore destroy the Chances and the Views on and of the Future of his Country, Mr Obama brought forward, by insinuating that Mr Obama is a Muslim, as if being a Muslim in this World, in the USA in particular, is a the ultimate Crime. I shall go through some of the Opinions and Thoughts you expressed in your Posts in the Light of the Concept of 'Neutral-Positivity' and Objectivity, as expressed in the Framework of the Spiritual Teachings of Herr Meier and the Mission. You wrote: "Although the USA may be moving forward in one sense regarding racial despair, I honestly cannot help but feel that a door has been opened to a vast immorality that will send shockwaves throughout the human race." I frankly can not think of a more partisan and biased Statement on racial Issues. "As a race, humanity has just been dealt a difficult blow because it must now deal with the culture of this emboldened people who have not been shy about revealing the immorality of its culture. All one has to do is turn on the Black television stations, in particular BET, to see what I mean." Studies, common Knowledge and Experience show that a so-called 'latent', sub(un)conscious Racism exists. Member Pathfinder, i think that you should do some personal Introspection on that Matter. "And I know that the white population has much responsibility to bear here as well, but living first hand in a country very similar to the US I am fully aware of the mainstream of black culture in our lands, and their promiscuous and material lust for life." The Short-sightness and the Blindness for any historic Perspective this Sentence displays is truly astonishing! So, 'Immorality' is something proper to a given Race, and you are fully aware of the "mainstream black Culture in OUR LANDS".( i underlined the last two Words). Pretty interesting, indeed. I am curious to know how and specially to find out how could One be included in 'OUR LANDS'. What are the Criteria for Admission? "their promotion to its younger generation of sex, money and jewelry far surpasses any affect the small percentage of Gospel preaching black people has.And it has attracted the following of many young white youth as well." Here One can cleary see an Opposition in Essence of the Youth through the 'Filter' of Races; whereby one - the black one, the 'Other', of course! - is evil and corrupts the Good, innocent white One. I wonder, Member Pathfinder, whether you are also aware of and thought for a Second of the Nazi Propaganda and the Picture of 'the Jew' therein. "I hope this does not condemn me a racist because I do not think of myself as one. I dearly wish the world was different and that we could all be free of this racist attitude. I don't look at a persons skin color when I look at them, I look at the spirit within the body. I have black friends who I highly respect and care about." It is always good to have some 'Friends' from the 'other Side' - a few 'good Ones' as an Exception to the Rule - to exhibit in order to make one's Point. "This is not about individuals, it is about an entire culture that has been brought from slavery and lived with its people being demeaned for centuries. It is about their struggle to overcome inferiority by trying to fight back with a superior attitude. It is about what being held down as a culture can create in a people and evolve them into." Here is 'THE INFERIORITY' of Blacks a well established Fact. Let's move forward. "I cannot turn off the obvious way that black culture has affected the nation around me." Well, i guess, the Nation around you(whatever i might be!) needs some Remedy and quite urgently. "Hip hop kids going around with their pants falling off, young girls half dressed pregnant everywhere you look. That harsh attitude where they have to look and act tough instead of friendly. Gangs for families instead of real families. Colors instead of handshakes. glaring stares instead of smiling greetings. Anyone from our part of the world knows exactly what I speak of." Any extreme right Propagandist would be jealous of your exhaustive Qualification, for the Simplification is good enough to have 'black' and 'white', 'good' and 'evil' clearly and comfortably defined. What were you thinking of, o Kamerad Pathfinder?! "What are your thoughts on how this new ring of freedom will unleash an immorality on the world that has never before been experienced? I try very hard not to generalize, as i said this is not about individuals though, it is about an entire culture fashioned from its experiences just as individauls are." Well said, very smart indeed, specially the closing milding Statement: One should, of course, not generalize; there is a few good Ones to be found in between, if One looks carefully enough. I guess that a bashing of the black, as expected, should then follow from this Forum. I would leave it here. Any Kamerad interested in this only needs to go through your Post to see my Point. Kamerad Pathfinder, i did my very best, but i couldn't find an Iota, any Hint of Neutral-Positivity and Objectivity in your Thoughts, Opinions and Stances regarding Races, in particular the black Race, the Relations and mutual Influences of Races. Alas. My Question is then, once again, what is the Point of your Post? What did you hope to achieve? What is the Relation of your Perspective with the Spiritual Teachings, with the Notion of personal Responsibility at Its Core; with the Call of Herr Meier to apply Neutral-Positivity and to objectively and rationally Search for the Truth; the Warning of Herr Meier against superficial and harmful pseudo-Knowledge and solely racial Perspective; with the well understood Category of Learning through individual Mistakes, the conscious Acknowledgement and the Overcoming of those Mistakes; the Historical Nature of Evolution, whereby Individuals and Groups through Progressive Steps - which could be promoted, accelerated or impeded by objective, indifferently negative of positive, Events and Thoughts - move towards a higher Mode of Being, Experience and Vibration; the necessary Synthesis of Negative and Positive for and in the Totality of Evolution; the Role of the Concept of 'Streben', Impulse and Inspiration as a finer regulating Energy of Evolution(Reference: 'Philosopie des Lebens', 'Dekalog'); with the firm Affirmation from the Mission and the Noble Plejarens of the Equality in Essence of all Races, no Matter their given Stage of Evolution and Experience to enrich their Spirituality in order to, ultimately, go back to Creation through the everlasting and immutable Creational Laws; with the Acknowledgement of the Oneness of all human Consciousness within the Grand Project of All-unifying, All-embracing Creation? Salome. Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2008 |
You know Adam, when I try to put myself in your shoes, reading your responses, I can easily see where you are coming from. And nothing I am saying is able to assure you that you have my intentions wrong because what I am saying does sound racist, and you will of course address it as such. so I am left to discuss this sensitive issue with that huge block before me as i try to reach out to you with my feelings on the matter. i understand this and do want to do justice to your effort with me in this. we are both pouring our hearts into this and trying to be informative, however we are still working from two different topics of consideration. so to start; again I need to point out that the reason we are discussing black cultural issues is because Obama is a black man, which brought about my initial inquiry. we are not discussing the black issue because I have a personal agenda against the black man and am too stupid to realize that the white man has as many or more issues to discuss. Had the president elect been an irishman or a hindu, I may have taken a look at the way that those particular cultures might have been influenced by an election of that sort. and that will undoubtedly make me sound racist toward hem now as well. so we are on this black issue because Obama is a black man. Now you say that I am bias in this statement, "Although the USA may be moving forward in one sense regarding racial despair, I honestly cannot help but feel that a door has been opened to a vast immorality that will send shockwaves throughout the human race."UNQUOTE I am not sure what you meant by bias here, but how does your accusation answer my concern? is my concern not real? Does it not matter to you that there is a possibility that immorality in America may run rampant? i suppose you mean that because I am white than my concerns are not valid and I am only seeing the black man as immoral and ignoring the immorlaities of the white man. I have said several times that i see both as taking part in this new liberal promiscuity that is sweeping the country, but I am saying that i believe it has its roots in recent changes in black culture which has moved far left from the gospel preaching traditions of their parents. This does not mean that Obama is to be considered a proponent of far left ideologies, simply that by his election the far left proponents of black society may have gained an edge. and so also the far left of white society as you force me to regard. However, again, Obama being a black man, that was not the gist of my question. So whether I am bias or not is not the point, and does not do anything to address the real issue I have raised. You said I may be subconsciously racist when I wrote, "As a race, humanity has just been dealt a difficult blow because it must now deal with the culture of this emboldened people who have not been shy about revealing the immorality of its culture. All one has to do is turn on the Black television stations, in particular BET, to see what I mean." Am I racist to ask people to look at BET and see the immoral aspects of its program? Yes. it is black cultural television. That fact doesn't mean I am a racist. I am discussing this issue again, because Obama is a black man, not because I have a personal agenda. May I ask you what you think of the BET television station and what it promotes to our society? If you condemn its promiscuity as well, does that mean that you are a racist? How does your being the same color mean that its okay to rebuke it, and my being a different color mean that i should not? Are we not both concerned for an encroachment of immorality on our brotherhood as humans instead? In the next statement you criticize me for not acknowledging black history. I have also alluded to the fact that I see black history as partially responsible for the reason they live the way they do today. And I assure you that I used the term OUR LAND to make sure that you understood that I include the black man and every race in that statement, and that I wanted to avoid any accustation of my believing this land belongs to the white man alone. I see that did not work. I understand why you drew the opposite conclusion though as you think of me as a racist. i hope to be able to change that as we progress if the moderators will allow us. i do think that this will be very informative to anyone keeping up with it. Next you refer to a filtering of the races in my statement, "their(black rap artists) promotion to its younger generation of sex, money and jewelry far surpasses any affect the small percentage of Gospel preaching black people has.And it has attracted the following of many young white youth as well." I don't know why you say anything about race filtering when the last statement in that paragraph specifically states that I see white youth being attracted to it as well. possibly you meant to say that I am suggesting that only the black artists are creating this problem. I am not saying that at all, and have never said that. But we are talking about black culture because Obama is black. i do not understand how that is always difficult for you to remeber. i know that there are many white rap artists out there who have as adverse an influence as any of their black cohorts, but Obama is not white and therefore I am not talking about them in my discussion. I will not address your next statement about me having friends from the 'other side' as I think you know darned well that was far more suggestive than anything I have said here, and dishonors your obvious intelligence. i think that was a shot from your heartache and will overlook it. I am not lying when I say that I have friends who I care about that are black and it takes away from the wonderfulness of those relationships to have them so demeaned. I do not see them as exceptions to the rule, I enjoy them as exceptional humans and brothers. I make it a habit to choose friends who are not immoral regardless of their skin color. Does that mean that I now have to categorize them myself in order to avoid being accused of USING them? And does their genuine moral nature take away from the reality of what their particular races culture seems to be accepting as a majority lifestyle? If that is the case than all of us, regardless of skin color, who choose to live a moral lifestyle have just been forced to live quietly in a world of immorality without option. i am as concerned about the immoral state of my white freinds race too, but Obabam is a black man and therefore the discussion of the balck race. next you accuse me of calling the black man inferior by my statement, "This is not about individuals, it is about an entire culture that has been brought from slavery and lived with its people being demeaned for centuries. It is about their struggle to overcome inferiority by trying to fight back with a superior attitude. It is about what being held down as a culture can create in a people and evolve them into." UNQUOTE Phenix, how is my stating that the black man had to overcome an inferiority imposed on them by the white man an indication that I personally believe them to be inferior. When will you let down your guard and take my words as they are sincerely meant so we can move forward. You are holding your shield so close to your face that you are not seeing the emotion in my eyes. the white man treated the black man as inferior when they enslaved them and that is simple history, and the black man had to overcome that inferiority to progress in THESE LANDS. the next couple of statements I make trying to point out the real concern I am trying to address being the immoral state of todays youth and how it is growing in leaps and bounds because of a liberal tolerance of equal rights for all no matter how it affects the moral aspects of society as a whole. Gay marriage, sexual promiscuity, teen pregnancy, one parent homes, same parent homes, the adoration of material wealth, the respect for criminal activity instead of law, etc. etc., which are all immoralities that we as members of FIGU want to address and correct. But for some reason, because i am addressing how todays black culture seeems to be aiding in an increase of this immorality, because we began with the topic of a black presidents election, you continue to make this about racism. May I please be able to pose this question, with regards to Obama's being a black man and how his race may affect their opportunities, without being accused of racism? I can only say to you Phenix, that I do not care about the color of a man's skin. if I did there would be plenty of white men in my neighborhood in the summertime that I would not associate with. Some of them actually get blacker than a couple of my black friends. I am beginning to see the problem here but i will not make assumptions based upon what is written in a messageboard. it is too easy to see intent where it is not meant, and not to see emotions accurately. you seem to be a very intelligent and caring individual and i will not jump to any further conclusions, as you have done with me. but let me tell you something about myself that may change your mind about me. in my introduction to this forum i related to an exoperience I had during meditation where I became aware of creation. Phenix, that was not a short-lived experience for me or one that drifted away. The day after that experience I could not help but be in awe of creation everywhere around me. the whole world, the universe itself was new. i ,being a Christian assumed that I had been BORN AGAIN. today I understand the absurdity of that and know it was instead simply becoming aware of creation as it truly is. reality. but following that day, looking at the world around me with new eyes, i was seeing what i can only describe as the GHOSTBUSTER affect. if you are familiar with that television movie, there were scenes where the ghosts were running rampant through the city and interacting at every street corner. That is what I was witnessing. of course i was not seeing visible ghosts, but I was seeing humans as containers carrying around their spirits. i could not look at a human wihtout knowing that inside their form was their true spirit, the person they really were. Although I could not see the spiritual form in there, I could not help but realize it was there watching me, looking at me through their eyes. i also profoundly realized that most of these people were not aware of what was going on. i would sit on a bus and feel very awkward, knowing that all around me were these spirits hiding in their containers, and it was eerie for a long time. i drive a city bus for a living Phenix. can you imagine how I felt driving down the road with dozens of these encased spirits sitting behind me? No, I did not go insane, i did adjust to that reality, but it made me very aware of the fact that the containers were not the real persons i was dealing with. that has been my state of BEING for some twenty years now and I have grown to accept it. And I must say that the truths I am learning here about spirituality is greatly improving my understanding of it. So my concern about the immoralitites I am seeing all around me, white, black, native, asian, etc. have nothing to do with my concept of race, it has to do with the difference between moral and immoral. And the reason we are discussing any immorality that the black race may be adding to society is again solely because the discussion began with the first black president. This is not my agenda and I am not American so i did not vote. I am watching from afar and with concern for humanity as a whole. Our society, mine and yours, OUR PLANET, mine and yours, 'our lands', mine and yours, are being adversely affected by immorality. will you address that with me and stand by me, or will you continue to make this a racial issue of descrimination? Sincerly , Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 07-2008 |
Member Edward, I sincerely appreciated your last Post - also for its mild, more balanced and nuanced Approach and Formulation, in my humble View. The last part resonated particularly well with me( if One were to ignore the closing Words, which are but a Trial of Intentions and do not help the Matter much): "Our society, mine and yours, OUR PLANET, mine and yours, 'our lands', mine and yours, are being adversely affected by immorality. will you address that with me and stand by me, or will you continue to make this a racial issue of descrimination?" We shall not remain indifferent in the Face of Immorality. We all have the Duty before ourselves and before Creation and Her immutable Laws to look within ourselves, to reflex on our own Ways of being, to assess our own spiritual Awareness and to ceaselessly and consciously work to improve it - and to eventually inspire and help Others do the same through our Example and our Faithfulness to the Truth, as far as we understand it. Each of us has her/his own Path and Experience. In the Process, we might every now and then think of one Individual - our own Self, maybe - as being more aware and closer to Creation and Her endless Love than another Fellow Human Being. I would however refrain from judging in such a definite and irrevocable Way a Fellow human Being, let alone a whole Race. So, you see, i agree with you with Regard to the global Issue; i only have some major difficulty with your qua dogmatic Certainty and your, so to say, one-dimensionality when it comes to inter-racial Relations, as clearly expressed here: "What we should have learned from the election is at least this: that many black people believed that white men would never elect a black president. That may have been true years ago, but Obama was brave enough to challenge the validity of that assumption, and beacuse of his bravery we have learned that black people have been wrong about the intent of the white population for some time now." Apparently black People are always wrong and white People are always right. And again, when you asked: "May I ask you what you think of the BET television station and what it promotes to our society?", i could easily say that i actually prefer 'Playboy Channel' or 'Private Species'. (just don't ask how i knew about those...) To go back to your initial Post; you asked then, in a certain Way, and you asked now: "I am not sure what you meant by bias here, but how does your accusation answer my concern? is my concern not real? Does it not matter to you that there is a possibility that immorality in America may run rampant?" I think that i have said enough to satisfy the first Part of your Question. Is your Concern real? I doubt it. I have no Reason to follow the Scenario you drew; in the contrary and that was the Point i made in my very first, pretty short, Reaction to your Post on this Issue. I chose the Neutral-Positivity; i wrote: "...one could as well put it the other Way round, namely that with the Election of Mr Obama, those Fellow Human Beings you described, would now have a Model to look up at, a Source of new Inspiration." Only Time shall tell, isn't? Salome. Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2008 |
No, I don't think black people are always wrong, MLK was certainly not wrong about what he wanted for America. And generations of black people who have fought the plague of inner city poverty and its way of bringing crime into heir homes was not wrong. But I do think that this generations promotion of the immoralities that I am concerned about are wrong. Success will not be had in the things they promote and will ultimately destroy them. And that goes for every race that partakes of such so called free rights. The baptist blacks have been a great influence in our lands, canada and america, but I am afraid that they can no longer reach their younger generation. And of course now that I have been made aware of the darkness of religion I have to think that is a good thing, however the vacuum that leaves will undoubtedly be filled with those material things which are appealing to everyone today. How can we fight against such offerings of gold and sex? Barack Obama does show the qualities of a wholesome man with good intentions and a moral lifestyle. I hope his influence will go a long way, but I am afraid that the other influences will far outweigh his. merecedes Benz cars, thick gold chains, gorgeous beauties seducing them at every turn, huge bankrolls, and the prestige of power will not draw their attention. And to be honest I do not know what will. I am certain that a good fly by with a few dozen beamships would certainly do it, but they say we are not ready for that. I am glad for us anyway Phenix. if you were to come into my home you would instantly see how you were wrong about me. My walls are covered in family photos that show more black skin than white. that is not for the purpose of sorting out the few as you say, it is simply the collage of my family life. And I love them all for who they are, and not what they are. to me, what they are, is family. And that is exactly how I feel about every other human on this planet. I just wish with all my heart that some of our fellow brothers and sisters of all races would be as open and moral minded as you are. I guess as you said Phenix, time is the factor. And I hope you are right about my concerns not being warranted. because lately, no matter where i go I am ashamed of my fellowman and do not even want my young children exposed to them. You know, I have to grit my teeth when I am on the bus and I am listening to some youngster talking with one of their friends, and all you can hear aloud for the whole bus to hear, is F^&* this and F&^% that. And there are young children and little old ladies listening and I am just about ready to burst out. But , who am I to tell a young person of todays generation what is foul language and what isnt? we have no law defining unsuitable words here. It is a matter of respect and decency, and that just doesn't seem to matter anymore. let us keep meditating Phenix, and teaching those close to us of morality, and hope the Plejaren know what they are doing. Your friend always, Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 07-2008 |
Salome gam nan ben urda, gan njber asala hesporona, Kamerad Edward. (Herr Meier, Philosophie des Lebens; Page6) http://www.figu.org/ch/geisteslehre/friedensmeditation/meditation-anhoeren (Audio, for the right Pronunciation) Remain Neutral-Positive! Adam. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 377 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings in Sincere Peace, I will not write a long Tome here, only address a few Points. Pathfinder. In this Statement: "OUR PLANET, mine and yours, 'our lands', mine and yours, are being adversely affected by immorality." A minor Point here - We do not OWN the Planet, nor do We even 'OWN' the land. I speak (write) here from the Perspective of my Native-('Indian') Grandfather's traditions. [First, to simplify things=the Tribal Name of any One of the Tribes, Means "The People". I.E.-The People of the Lakes, The People of the Plains, The People of the Sweet Grass, The People of Hard Stone, &c.] The People of my Grandfathers never 'Owned' land. All Land was it's own Spirit, which sustained all the Spirits of Nature, together with all the Spirits of Humans. All this was held in high Respect and Reverence in common for all Life among the People. Above all this, there was known to be a Creator Spirit. The People knew that another Spirit could not be 'Owned.' Those white 'missionaries' which went among the 'natives', could not grasp the Understanding of the People, so set upon them "to be saved." So, talk about a 'clash of culture' - whole cultures of the People Vanished. Now everyone is stuck 'owning' land, and Enslaved to Money to pay for what is 'Owned.' I can only hope that my White Grandfathers have made Amends with my Grandfathers of the People. Could it be Possible that is one of the REASONS that ALL of US are alive here on Earth now? One small point re: 'immorality'. You make in your expressed View "...no matter how it affects the moral aspects of society as a whole. Gay marriage...". I have a younger Brother, whom I love. He is the CEO of His own Computer firm. He also is gay, in a monogamous relationship with His Lifelong Partner, who also shares in the Business. What do You think would be HIS Opinion, if I were to send a Copy of what you have Written to him? I'm not going to go there myself with You. Member Phenix has been trying to bring Your Attention to a lot of Excess Baggage You seem to carry. Meditate on these words. I certainly don't see a hopeless situation. The Brightness of the Spirit is sufficient to burn away all Un-Truth. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 |
