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Syn
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 10:27 am: | 
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king man you right, nowdays i get this feeling when the info is told that its just bs. its not hard anymore to sense out garbage anymore..
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Earthling
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 10:39 am: |
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Kingman ... your self-aggrandizing condescension aside, one mans garbage is anothers treasure. To each their own. Most of the world considers UFO believers ready for the looney bin.
I don't doubt what you say regarding Paracast Forums maltreatment of Michael Horn. I'll take your word for that, however they did not write that story, they are simply passing it along.
You are long on opinions, short on facts. Please point to something in that book that is incorrect and baseless, as by now I am well aware of what your gut tells you.
I haven't finished that book yet; the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 337
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 01:37 pm: |
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Earthling,
Alien Interview, is an example of a genre of writing that goes back to the early 1900s whose characteristic style is to write a first person account of a fictional experience as if it was literally true. One of the best known examples is the radio script adaptation of The War of the Worlds by Orson Welles and broadcasted in 1938. Although thousands of people heard the disclaimers in the broadcast that it was a fictional enactment, its use of a series of news bulletins was so realistically portrayed, that nonetheless people were convinced that a Martian invasion was actually underway - many succumbing to panic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)
The style has gained renewed popularity in New Age literature beginning with the metaphysical books of Carlos Castaneda who to this day, continues to garner new “true believers” unaware of the author’s debunking:
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/04/12/castaneda/
And I can not tell you how many intelligent people I have run into that believe The Celestine Prophecy is a literally true story, even though James Redfield has admitted that it is fiction and his intention was just to write a story in the shape of a parable.
Many years ago, I attended a lecture and book signing by Dan Millman, the author of the very popular, Way of the Peaceful Warrior. Someone in the audience asked him how much of the book was true. He said maybe 30-40%. And then added, “But I won’t tell you which 30-40%.” He states on his website, “What I write is only as true and useful as what I live.” Although initially disappointed, I later realized the value I got from the book and a deeper understanding that it was just what I needed at the right time for my spiritual growth. Even greater than anything I could have read in the Upanishads whose key phrase is "Tat Tvam Asi"* a Sanskrit expression meaning, “That Thou Art,” and which is the granddaddy to the phrase, “IS-BE” in the Alien Interview. In the Old Testament it is phrased “I AM THAT I AM”. Everything old is new again.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tat_Tvam_Asi
In the long run it does not matter if you believe it to be literally true or not, something will be learned either way toward your spiritual advancement. Discernment is a bit like developing the skillful palate of a wine taster –you have to do a lot of sampling to get good at it. So rightfully you should examine it for yourself and make your own decision.
Regards
Bob |
Markv
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 03:00 am: |
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Ramirez,
Yeah, that's the site which I was looking at. It's also why I said that she seems like a "kook".
The material that I was looking over can be located on the site's menu (on the left side). You'll see a tab there which reads "Federation of Light". (It's somewhat amusing to see her nicely shoving off people who ask about Ashtar Sheran and other ridiculousness.)
Incidentally, I've also seen that Dannion Brinkley info come up, along with an online video of him speaking at some consciousness expo. I couldn't help but to notice that: the way in which he described what happens after death sounded very much like what Mr. Meier and the Plejaren have described.
Anyways, if nothing else, this whole October 14th phenomenon has made me aware of just how large this delusional, new-age, fake contactee movement is, and just how desperate they are. (It's bad enough that we have to deal with "Alex Collier".) This factor, IMO, is pretty scary, and I've begun to wonder about what would happen (how much these movements will grow and, in the process, pushing Mr. Meier's work further from the forefront) if this turns out to be true... |
Earthling
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 05:56 am: |
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Bob, thanks for your thoughtful response. I was thinking of your War of the World/Castaneda comparisons but I'm not convinced that's what this is, just yet.
As you can infer from the links below, this may not be a work of fiction.
I'll likely ask for Billys comments in the next round of questions coming up.
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http://alieninterview.org/disclaimer.htm
The dates, locations, persons and incidents described in the book, Alien Interview, may be factual or based on fact. All of the information, notes and transcripts received by the Editor are contained in their complete, original form, as represented in the book. The Editor is no longer in possession of any original documents or copies of original documents received from the author, Mrs. Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy.
As far as the Editor of the book, Alien Interview, is concerned, and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction. The Editor makes no claim to the factuality of the content, and in fact, cannot prove that the alleged author, Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, ever existed. It is highly likely that her actual name was changed many years ago to protect her true identity and location from the public.
Some material contained in the book may have similarities to Earth philosophies as the variety of these are too numerous to list, and bear too many fundamental similarities to be easily differentiated. Although the book discusses the origins of the universe, the history of the physical universe, paranormal activities of immortal and/or extraterrestrial beings, "aliens" or "gods", it is in no way the intention of the Editor to represent, endorse, forward or assume the viewpoint of the author, any political doctrine, economic vested interest, scientific hypothesis, religious practice or philosophy, whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial.
The notes and transcripts contained in the book, are solely and only the based on the representations and documents provided by the author, the late Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy, unless otherwise specifically annotated by Footnotes in The Appendix of the book.
The Editor is not responsible for any assumptions, inferences or conclusions made by the reader based on the material is the book or this website, which are solely and only the responsibility of the reader.
What is true for you, is true for you.
Webmaster -- www.alieninterview.org
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http://lulublog.com/2008/07/31/the-truth-is-out-there/
The Truth is Out There
In Author Spotlight, Lulu News —
One of my favorite responsibilities that go along with being a Lulu is exploring our site for new and intriguing titles.
Intriguing is exactly what came to mind when I stumbled across Alien Interview (http://www.lulu.com/content/2144178) while looking for books on Lulu. Maybe it had been all of the old X-Files episodes I’d been watching, but I had to learn more.
Notes from RoswellAlien Interview, edited by Lawrence R. Spencer, is a compilation of letters, interview transcripts, and personal notes from the late Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy. MacElroy was an Army Air Force nurse stationed at the Roswell Army Air Field in the late 1940s. In a letter sent to Spencer, MacElroy claimed that these documents were based on a series of interviews she had with an extraterrestrial.
Luckily for us, Lawrence Spencer was kind enough to shed a little light and answer some of my questions via email…
1. How did you know Ms. MacElroy?
As I explained in the book,
“I contacted her during my research for The Oz Factors because I was led to believe, through a very circuitous line of investigation, that this woman was suspected of having been involved with alien contact at Area 51, or the Roswell crash site, or something similar. Through a sequence of circumstantial inferences and accidental referrals, I actually found a number in the phone book and called just on the chance that there might really be such a person.
Since I have never met Mrs. MacElroy in person, and spoke with her over the phone only once for about 20 minutes. In fact, I cannot factually substantiate that such a person actually existed, accept that I did speak with her on the phone and I received handwritten material in the mail which was sent from a physical address in Ireland. “
2. Was it her wish to have them published?
Yes. Here is an excerpt from one of the two letters she mailed to me:
“Please accept this material and make it known to as many people as possible.
Mankind needs to know the answers to questions which are contained in these documents. Who are we? Where did we come from? What is our purpose on Earth? Is Mankind alone in the universe? If there is intelligent life elsewhere why have they not contacted us?”
3. Why, as editor, did you feel you had to put a disclaimer at the beginning of the book?
Again, I quote from the book:
“I decided to publish this book in order to pass along a subjective communication I received from Mrs. MacElroy to other people who may be interested in it.
Personally, I am not assuming that anything I received from Mrs. MacElroy is in any way authentic, with the exception of the envelope and the paper inside the envelope. I cannot substantiate any of it. Indeed, I can’t truly verify that there was ever such a person as Mrs. MacElroy other than a voice I heard over the phone in 1998. The voice could have been anyone.”
4. In the disclaimer, it says that you are no longer in possession of the original documents. Where are they now?
I quote, again, from the book:
“I have burned all of the original documents, including the envelope I received from Mrs. MacElroy. I do not want to spend the rest of my life being hounded by UFO researchers, government agents, grocery store tabloids reporters, UFO advocates and de-bunkers alike, or anyone else. Any “proofs” or attempts to authenticate the assertion that Mrs. MacElroy actually interviewed an alien in 1947 will have to be done by others.”
5. To who, would you recommend Alien Interview?
To anyone interested in the UFO crash at Roswell in 1947, or contact with extraterrestrials. |
Kingman
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Post Number: 394
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 04:58 pm: |
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I really enjoy producers of controversial topics that destroy their source materials thus making examination of his evidence impossible. And claiming that it is for all intents and purposes, a work of fiction, really adds to a valueless product of disinformation.
Earthling posted this interview of the publisher...
" 3. Why, as editor, did you feel you had to put a disclaimer at the beginning of the book?
Again, I quote from the book:
“I decided to publish this book in order to pass along a subjective communication I received from Mrs. MacElroy to other people who may be interested in it."
He burned all the materials, but wanted to, "pass along", this story.
Why does that sound so, well, backwards sounding. Really weak and unintelligent actions for a 'Truther' type person.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Kingman
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Post Number: 395
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 05:33 pm: |
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I do note that Bob is absolutely correct in his statement...
" In the long run it does not matter if you believe it to be literally true or not, something will be learned either way toward your spiritual advancement. Discernment is a bit like developing the skillful palate of a wine taster –you have to do a lot of sampling to get good at it. So rightfully you should examine it for yourself and make your own decision."
...and if I am interfering with anyones learning process, this is not my intentions whatsoever. I am only concerned in this situation with pointing out what is, IMO, another story that is harmful to the minds of the undiscerning reader. If no one expresses an opposing position to these questionable events, we risk adding to the challenge of becoming an informed public to the truth.
The ability to put the pieces together, correctly, is a learned skill. I can do it sometimes, and when I express this position my tact at being non personal towards the intended recipient is still being worked on by me. I offer an apology to you Earthling if I put my self above you in any form.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Earthling
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 08:27 am: |
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Kingman - I believe the editor; that he was just passing along this story. Sure, it would have been better had he not destroyed the materials.
This all rests on the validity of the writer of this material. Was she telling the truth and who she said she was? Or was she some philosophical, new age author trying to get her lifes research/thoughts/ideas/beliefs out there?
I've finished the book and I can't really tell either way. Some things made me think this was a Castaneda genre type work. I'll bounce it off Billy next round of questions.
In either case, no harm done. Its worth a read if one has any interest in this subject. |
Bodhran
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:32 am: |
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Hi all,
I've been discussing Billy's beamship sound recordings in the skeptics forum and since been trying to convince my doubtful brother who is a sound engineer. I've been scouring the web for related info and I came along this youtube video. Its an audio recording of a ufo encounter by state police near the columbia river in Oregon USA in 1981.This is an excerpt from it but the actual full audio is supposedly thirty minutes long, the quality is not great but it sounds quite similar to the sounds Billy recorded from the beamships. Has anyone come across this before?? Is it possible that it was a plejaran ship or do other ships have similar sounds??
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le9I3_RPQuo&feature=related
Salome
Tony.
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Nestingwave
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 07:23 am: |
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Kingman, what my "signature line" is telling you is that you EXIST and that you ARE a human with an innate inner drive to evolve.
However, you may read anything into it you so desire.
Yes, I feel "exposing" the public to this material is 'OK'. Terrible me.
Why not? They, like you and I, may read whatever they want into it.
Some folks find a reason to be afraid of everything. Some folks are frightened of Billy's material too. Should we censor that? Of course not.
Some of us, who have delved into all apects of this UFO/ETI phenomena for decades, know that there was a mysterious nurse at Roswell whose identity seemed to disappear. We also know from many testimonies that there was a live alien walking around after the crash. It is logical that our U.S. government would want to (not interview) but INTERROGATE such a being because the military minded were frightened out of their minds, feeling that they were loosing CONTROL.
Plus they had the ulterior motive of getting superior technology in their oneupsmanship mentality.
Unike the U.S. government, I have always been more interested in what ETI has to SAY than any weaponry or technology that could be gleaned from them.
What the U.S. government hoped would be an interrogation was turned into an "interview" by the alien herself. The information, like the Plejaren information, was holonomic thinking not linear thinking as many who choose to be fearful take everything - especially spiritual information.
Just to help you out with the alien interview, planet earth is NOT a prison planet. WE are the ones who can make it a prison. And indeed, many do so. NO exterior force pushes us around. WE CHOOSE what we ARE. Again, we abdicate our own personal responsibility by pointing the finger outwardly. "THEY did it." Nope. "They" are YOU.
Of course, if you take everything linearly like you read the New York Times, you only see the alien interview as FEARFUL information. Nope. It isn't. It is a picture of the situation AT THIS MOST PRESENT MOMENT where we have abdicated our own personal soverignty over to some imaginary "others" which are actually none other than WE OURSELVES. WE ARE OUR OWN ENEMY and we can realize that and dump out all our garbage or else remain in delusion.
ALL planets are planets of forgetfulness, however, not as COMPLETELY forgetful as this frequency. The planet ERRA is a planet of forgetfulness, however, one that KNOWS its limitations and why. We on planet earth have thought this material existance is ALL THERE IS. This is our EXTREME forgetfulness about WHO and WHAT we are.
If we pay attention to what our ET friends are trying to tell us, we will WAKE UP from our long slumber.
In my opinion, the Alien Interview, like the Plejaren material, does JUST THAT depending on whether one reads it like a newspaper or groks it holonomically. It is exactly the same with the Plejaren material. Two different approaches to the exact same issue. OUR EXPANSION OF CONSCIOUSNESS. OUR LEARNING TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and OUR LEARNING TO THINK FOR OURSELVES instead of falling into the TRAP of abdicating our beings over to some other energy because we are overly awed by the glitter of advanced technology and consciousness.
Censorship is just one person's opinion that they mistakenly assume is absolute truth and they have personal control issues by trying to enforce their points of view upon all.
The world is full of that kind of religiousity.
Such religiousity always tried to censor the thoughts of others and deems them to be "dangerous." This is the story of prestcraft.
This is true whether it be censoring the alien interview or censoring Billy's material.
You would censor the Alien Interview because you ASSUME it is negative. However, that is just your own linear thinking because you apparently have no idea what holonomic thinking is all about.
However, this is what ETI is trying to teach us. ALL of us. Not just some so-called "chosen one."
WE CHOOSE. Billy CHOSE. You get whatever you call upon, friend.
Therefore, you cannot understand the Plejaren material either, if you take it as some kind of "religion" with high priests and masters who are there to do your thinking for you. Even though they have gone to great trouble to inform you otherwise.
It is you who is showing "fear." Fear of what your limited opinion sees as "negative" material that might damage the public. Actually, you don't give a hoot about the "public" only your own opinion.
Yet, you have the perfect freedom to do so or not do so.
As for me, I choose to think for myself after listening to what others have to say but do not bow down and worship them in awe. They are beings no "higher" than you nor I. There IS no "high" and there IS no "low." There is only BEING and different states of consciousness.
Who are you? The public protector of consciousness according to your own opinions?
Or according to someone else's opinions? I think it is a mistake to abdicate your own being over to a Master of your soul. That is called slavery.
And, that is exactly what the alien from Roswell is clearly saying in the metaphors being used in the English language but transmitted TELEPATHICALLY through the coloration of "Matilda" being enculcated with the ordinary consciousness of 1947.
salome,
Roy
We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are.
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Kingman
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Post Number: 398
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 11:28 pm: |
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That's all great Roy, it doesn't change the fact it's garbage.
It's real strange how you talk as if the story is absolutely true.
"And, that is exactly what the alien from Roswell is clearly saying in the metaphors being used in the English language but transmitted TELEPATHICALLY through the coloration of "Matilda" being enculcated with the ordinary consciousness of 1947."
Like that really happened.
And this statement...
"However, this is what ETI is trying to teach us. ALL of us. Not just some so-called "chosen one."
You act as if this 'ETI' is a real subject.
You ask this....
"Who are you? The public protector of consciousness according to your own opinions?"
No. I just take out the trash.
Your assumptions regarding how I read this particulate article is astonishingly accurate, "like the New York Times". This type of directed disinformation placed in front of the average joe public will plant the wrong kind of seeds in their minds. This is the intentions of the article.
If I only read the piece from your 'holonomic'(?) perspective, and allowed the FALSE REALITY of the unsubstantiated, and likely ficticious, 'Alien Interview', to be bypassed, one more unnecessary fear inducing element tips the scale a little more.
We're pass this kind of fakery.
I think we've said enough on this matter.
I'll never say your wrong by speaking your mind and I thank you for that.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Jpm
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 04:33 am: |
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ok.......... i read 2 lines of roy's posted and stopped...
ummmmmm, why did you post something so ridiculous on the figu forum ?
you honestly should be ashamed of yourself...
no sarcasm ...
Jpm has dedicated his life to his neutral-positive spirit consciousness...
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Nestingwave
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 05:01 am: |
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Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions. :0)
We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are.
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Earthling
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 11:36 am: |
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Jpm - ummmmmm, why did you post something so ridiculous on the figu forum ?
you honestly should be ashamed of yourself...
No offense Pelegon, but look who's talking!?
Talk about the kettle calling the pot, black. |
Nestingwave
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 - 05:41 pm: |
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That's a very good question shawn.
What ETI is involved in -- ALL of them -- is training us to think holonomically instead of linearly as our sick and dying world does now and has done for millenia.
ETI is US, although at the same time individual soverign entities. An inigma, eh? But what we preceive of them is according to what we call upon and according to what we are able to preceive in our mind's concepts and interpretations of them.
They are ... a "downstep" into our particular frequency, according to our heart's innermost desire and their innermost desire to mentor their children to prepare planet earth to eventually become a novice space-faring civilization, hopefully before we foolishly self-destruct.
We get what we call upon, not from our ego/personality, but from our innermost energetic individual signatures. That means, our state of consciousness.
This is my view and if you wish to understand how I arrived at that view, my website is an open book of my life and intention.
I have no credibility, no credentials and no fear nor any need whatsoever to prove anything to anyone.
See, "Interconnectivity." Also, there are NUMEROUS reference to what is now taking place in our entire solar system on the paper I wrote entitled "Convergence" -- follow the links to find out about the energetic intensities we are now starting to experience, in case anyone doubts that to be a scientific fact.
I also have some good videos up on that "Convergence" page including all the documentation and work done on the Carlos Dias UFO and contactee case in Mexico, including the film he shot which, like Billy's, was gone over by the film experts including Jim Delitosso. However, like Billy's case, such so-called "proof" is for those who still think of everything in a linear fashion and have no discernment of their own but must rely upon "experts" whom they trust to decide whether something is "real" or not according to material "evidence" which is the only kind of evidence they assume is "real," not yet being familiar with their own energetic gnosive abilities.
ETI is training us, and their use of disinformation is just for that purpose -- so that we will not come to rely upon THEM but learn for ourselves by taking some personal responsibility rather than the proclaimations of ANY authority figure -- even the most advanced ETI. Actually, they are training us in taking personal responsibility through holonomic thinking and learning to discern energy fields. Quite an important thing to learn, I'd say.
Everyone is not a "fraud" nor a "hoax" and anyone who ever tried to "hoax" such things has been very surprised at the intense hatred and vitriol they encounter. If anyone thinks that "hoaxing" the UFO/ETI phenomena will bring them any $$$, they soon find otherwise and themselves in high distress and regret.
Many contactees are now telling what they know, as well as the so-called "government insiders." Actually, any genuine contactee has a more accurate view of what ETI IS than those involved in the secret government projects, which are so highly compartmentalized and fully under the ambient atmosphere of secrecy, suspicion, control, violence, angst and fear. This, of course, colors the experience.
The most accurate view of ETI comes from ordinary folks even though they have no "credentials."
However, none of the contactees are prepared "prophets" with the mission that Billy has. All are unique. The "UFO controversy" he started was given by the ETIs for the purpose of stretching our minds into holonomic thinking.
Just mulling these matters over in our minds, such as dimensions, densities, timelines, the quantum vacuum, anti-gravity etc. starts the ball rolling on that process of transforming our minds.
However, many others have had contact since childhood too. Each of us is an individual with our own unique experiences and perspectives not only on this matter but on everything. However, we ALL do have our own pieces to the puzzle of the overall phenomena to contribute. The UFO/ETI phenomena is HUGE and not confined to anyone's narrow concepts nor tunnelvision.
ETI does blow our minds while enlightening them at the same time,} when we allow them to.
If you will email me at nestingwave@yahoo.com, I will be glad to send you a couple of very advanced scientific papers dealing with what is meant by "ORTHOROTATION."
And, if you missed the link I posted up defining "holonomic thinking," I will be glad to give that definition to you also.
Thanks for visiting my website.
By the way, ALL the other contactees also know beyond the shadow of a doubt that Billy's experiences are real, however, like all of us, Billy too must filter, formulate and express his experiences in order to communicate them. His preparation makes him exceptionally good at that but Billy, like all of us, also has an ego/personality operating in his present soul container and, at times, that causes all of us a problem, including Billy, who is no different than you nor I, only, like Henoch and Jerimiah, a well prepared person for the OFFICE of prophet. But, that doesn't mean we are to be led around by the nose by anyone and Billy would be the very first to tell us that and, in fact has done so many times.
ETI teaches PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY just like Jmmanuel and all the truly spiritul beings who ever visited this planet, whose messages were distorted by man-made priestcraft and their "followers" who simply could not think for themselves and needed someone to tell them how it IS and what to do and how to think.
That age is now OVER and we all can see it crumbling to dust and ashes all around us.
salome,
Roy
We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are.
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Kingman
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Post Number: 408
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 11:50 pm: |
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Hi Roy,
Bob made a comment some posts back about the style of writing used in the 'Alien Interview'. His choice of examples contained 'H.G Wells, War of the Worlds, where Orsen Wells (no relation) broadcast, was used as a tool of some type of MJ12/Black-Ops agency.
He broadcast War of the Worlds, as a real, as it happened, live Psy-Op event. It was designed to embed a fear of aliens into the general public. Billy and Ptaah conversed at length describing the reasons and effects this event had on the mindset of the public.
The radio broadcast was a real event, but the story being described was pure fiction.
The story was fake, the effects were real.
Real fear was really created, and the negative energy from that fear-event is still resonating in todays society.
Sources of ET information need to be brought out into the bright light of exposure to keep the reality of ET intervention as it truly exists.
Roy, the 'ETI' you encompass into your writings here, and at your website, must be informing you of many things during your contacts. I've read the "Convergence', and other articles you are penning for your site. Do you have any writings that contain the details of your contact events. I would be very interested in examining the Aliens you interface with.
Where they are based at, rules they follow, historical events on Earth they have knowledge about, etc.
I tried asking prior to this post, but the mods are restless(meaning over-worked, under-rested) and it went missing into the Bermuda Triangle forum. So hopefully this new shiny post is within the barriers we all agree to whether we know it or not.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Nestingwave
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:33 am: |
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Hi Shawn,
Have you read the "Alien Interview?"
No, I am not a spokeman for it nor a promoter of it. It is just another genuine ET communication of which there are many. They all have a certain energetic signature to them and those energetic signatures are often muddled and miscommunicated by the humans who receive them. In Billy's case they are exceptionally pure due to the fact that he was highly trained and prepared for such a critical and important mission.
I was trained and prepared too but for my own unique mission, which is to share the very things I am sharing as a writer and also to offer comfort to those around me in the coming great crisis. That's why I chose to incarnate here at this time.
The "Alien Interview," like all ETI communications, is: layered/encoded/metaphorical/poetical/holonomic. It is the same with all ETI communication in their downsteps to us, whether those be in physical contact, visions or dreams.
One thing I have learned both from ETI and my practical application is the value of MEDITATION.
I know Billy says that too. Without meditation EVERYTHING ETI has to say and teach will be taken only at face value and thus partially missed if not misunderstood all together.
It is a matter of ones core intention.
The contact notes are this way also. They are not to be taken strictly at "face" value nor interpreted the way one interprets a New York Times.
The ETIs tell us more about the inner condition of US than they do about THEMSELVES because the metaphors and archetypes we can relate to and understand are highly limited at this point in our evolution.
Think of all those symbols that the Plejaren's gave to Billy. They are portals to various frequencies of the Universal information cumulus. They access the earth's Akashic Records, but not just to glean linear information.
Neither is history 101 valuable only because one can memorize dates, times and places. History is far more than that. It too is holonomic, as is the whole Universe. That means INTERCONNECTIVITY.
And, all that information which we can access through the ETI's, relates to US and our evolutionary progression or lack of it. That information is the cognition of the cause of our apparent but illusory disconnection and suffering, and how we can heal that and find out who and what we are and why we are here.
This is the energetic signature consisting of many metaphors that any ETI uses to communicate telepathic information and indeed, the very appearing to us physically is that way also.
Often misunderstood by those who only take everything at face value.
It is not like talking over a telephone, except, like Billy says, our sense of "hearing" does play an important role. In visual contact the sense of "seeing" also plays an important role. That "hearing" however is far more than chit chat, dates, times, places, hardware, names and events but the MEANING of those things and how that relates to our situation in this MOST PRESENT MOMENT.
This very energetic signature found also in "Alien Interview" (but not in "War of the Worlds") is not due to Larry Spenser's "cleaverness" nor a desire to get rich nor spread disinformation, but due to the alien's communication which was, and is, telepathic.
My own experiences, starting when I was a child, are written up in the link below, if anyone is interested:
http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/Interconnectivity.html
You should understand that EVERYTHING I write is what I have gleaned and processed through having had those experiences.
Is it all perfect? Of course not but with time, and as I let go of my own baggage, these insights become clearer, more accessible to me and easier to communicate that others might be helped by them.
The "UFO controversy" that Billy began is now in the stage of clearing up because the big changes to take place on planet earth in the near future demands it.
This is all about much more than getting linear information from a cosmic "crystal ball." ETI is not Edgar Cayce nor Ann Landers but far more profound and involved in the core of BEING ITSELF.
salome,
Roy
We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are.
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Kingman
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Post Number: 409
Registered: 07-2004
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Yes Roy, I did read, 'Alien Interview'. Twice. I wasn't convinced of its authenticity either time. Your impression you immediately present of it being genuine is because why?
I never asked you if you were a spokesman for "Alien Interview", why do you state this right away in your post?
In your reply to me you end it with,
"This is all about much more than getting linear information from a cosmic "crystal ball"
I not sure what you mean by this, but before we can incorporate what you say you've been told by the aliens, I think it's critical to gather as much information about this experience before we look at the message you offer.
I've read your 'Interconnectivity' article. Twice. I have many questions of your experience as it is an area I am not very clear about in general. Which I hope you won't judge me as being someone without a knowledgeable base in ET realities. I suppose most of here would be at least somewhat interested in learning more of the actual meetings.
When someone on our planet communicates with beings from another world the details of the how the event comes about is also as important as the information that is passed to the contacted person.
Your 'Interconnectivity' article is not very detailed in describing the actual moment you and Eddie become involved with the aliens. There are many aspects that I'm sure you could help clarify about this abduction that I would like to know. Are you open to discussing more about this alien intervention?
I've come to realize getting additional details is often difficult in these situations, so I am hoping you would welcome sharing more of the valuable aspects of these amazing experiences with the rest of us.
Also, I live in Hollywood, and I travel to Zuma Beach quite often. How long did you live in Hollywood?
a friend in america
Shawn
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Nestingwave
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:22 am: |
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Hi Shawn,
I only lived in Hollywood during the summer of 1967.
Thanks for confirming that Zuma beach is a real place to everyone here.
Whether or not you think anything I have to say is valuable matters not in the least to me.
I am not here to tell you anything nor to prove anything nor to promote anything, only to offer my own evolving point of view.
Some will understand it. Some won't. That's perfectly fine.
My only responsibility is to share it, in the best way I can, and so I constantly do what I can to increase my communication abilities because these things are not easily communicated due to the high restriction of languages. Therefore, they are an exercise in intuition and discernment.
ETI communicates telepathically, after all.
I do not "promote" anything whatsoever including my own experiences. Take it or leave it.
Best "deal" on the planet. 
My experiences and understanding of those personal encounters, and my continuing interface with the ETIs, adds to the vast pool of gnosiveness now being disclosed, not just by so-called "whistle blowers" and popular or unpopular "contactees," but by the many folks throughout this world who are direct experiencers and participators who are virtually unknown, and yet know beyond a doubt they have a unique mission to fulfill, each in their own way. And the fulfillment of that mission, is by their own volition not by any kind of external coersion.
Thanks for reading what I have written.
It is not for "sale" but given to all freely to either inspire you, perplex you, cause you to question or offer you plausible or semi-plausible deniability.
That's what the UFO "controversy," that the Plejaren's suggested to Billy at the very first, has been all about.
It is ETIs training program to provoke us into thinking holonomically, instead of in the traditional "linear" fashion, by getting us into situations of cognitive dissonance that can be solved no other way.
A kind of cosmic KOAN.
However you take it is entirely up to you.
And, like Billy's contacts, no two people will take it exactly the same.
The age of "religion" is over. The age of dogmatic "science" is also over.
I have shared what I have to share at this point.
Granted, there is a lot to be grasped but "grasping" is the whole problem with the linear thinking that has so retarded our planetary paradigm for millenia.
There is no "proof" and never will be, only interfacing with and understanding the UFO/ETI phenomena. This takes insight, not proof. What is "proof" to one is "fraud" to another. So what? One man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter." POV varies.
Even Billy's wonderful and well analyzed photos and the contact notes and the sound recordings and the Talmud of Jmmanuel and the many witnesses are not "proof" of anything, only one person's experience and the other experiences of the witnesses who saw things, from an entirely different angle, because each person has a different vantage point.
Very valuable indeed, but not any kind of "proof" that you seek, although you may have a "belief" in it or "nonbelief" in it.
The world is full of all kinds of "beliefs."
And, the vain squabbling between those "beliefs" is exactly what the failure to recognize this matter of all-inclusive, interconnected "holonomic" thinking leads to.
A very long tradition on this planet of forgetfulness. In fact, learning to think holonomically is exactly what "remembrance" is all about.
Linear thinking is a vain and destructive tradition whose fruit is a world in the present disarray, now on a downward spiral into dust and ashes.
However, at the same time, a new paradigm, a very different civilization, is indeed arising. Most have trouble seeing it at this point and are fucused on the fear of "loss."
I have presented to you some of that new paradigm material from my own experiences. Anyone has the perfect freedom to perceive it as they please.
I do not offer "alternatives" only additions and subtractions.
Now, at this point, I have other important engagement to fulfill.
Thanks for the discourse and inner desire to stretch a little.
In the long run, both of us gained much because all of our sharing effects all concerned in a basic positive and energetic way, regardless of opinions and "right" or "wrong" concepts.
The main thread that runs through all genuine ETI contact is ... learning to take personal responsibility.
salome,
Roy
We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are.
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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 450
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 07:55 pm: |
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hey there roy, here's some thoughts.
if your et friends or whatever they are contacted you telepathically or whatever the method may be, this strikes up 2 thoughts in my brain...
1. you would think that a knowledgable people who can fly through space and share some wisdom etc. would devise a half decent strategy. using you as a messenger seems a bit, i dont know, like using a tooth brush to scrub a bathtub.
2.did you ever consider that you are a victim of psychic assualt?
well, i cant imagine why someone from space would send you telepathic imulses only to provoke you to share information of which it's reception in peoples minds you care nothing about when there are more efficient methods...
me, a lowly earth human can think of a strategy, such as impulsing writers and artists of childrens cartoons with certain themes and ideas.
we all know children are very impressionable, it's in their nature. and that's just a simple strategy.
there are plenty of sharp minds here in this forum that need no provoking to think a certain way. and there are more efficient methods for getting a point across.
perhaps you are the one who needs to be provoked to think in some different manner.
i do feel that there are people who were impulsed and through their own ability to sense and reason, realized this fact conciously. but that's another matter i dont want to discuss.
But my understanding would lead me to belive that such things are personal matters, not missions.
look , we all have a mission in life, and that's to act responsibly and to help each other learn and grow. it does not take an e.t. from outer space to show us this. all it takes is a level head. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 311
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 12:47 pm: |
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Hello All,
Have just downloaded and purchased Alien Interview. Sitting at the computer to read gets a little tedious, so like to have the physical book in hand in my "easy chair."
I find this statement (from 'Dedication') very appropriate here:
This book is dedicated to all Immortal Spiritual Beings, whether they are aware of themselves as such, or not. It is especially dedicated to the wisdom, courage and integrity of those Greater Beings, who in various incarnations at various times during the past, in the present and into the future, enkindle and carry the Flame of Truth into the darkest corners of the universe.
Of course, the Truth is that all of us Humans, wherever we find ourselves in the Multiverse, are indeed "Immortal Spiritual Beings."
Every one is entitled to their Opinions, of course. However many seem want to throw out the baby with the bath-water.
{This is a short note, as a test to see if any of my posts will get through. It seems the last half-dozen or so of my posts have been "censored"; such "censorship" is getting a little tedious. Any explanation, Scott?}
Segnen Sie dieses Haus im Friedens
J_rod7
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 410
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 05:45 pm: |
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Roy,
No information from your abduction? I thought your aim was to help inform people of what's going to happen in the future.
Your not really saying anything in your post to what I asked.
I'm wondering why you even replied. If your not going share the ET intervention you experienced just say so.
The moderators are busy enough to not have to read a post that is much longer than it needs to be.
Of course there's no proof. Why would there be proof if nothing happened.
When you want to drive to Zuma Beach from Hollywood you drive North, not South. You might want to correct that detail in your story.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Phenix
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 01:02 am: |
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Ich empfehle mich Ihnen, Herr J_rod7,
Es ist immer angenehm von dir zu lesen.
I read 'Alien Interview' online.
I found it to be worth the reading; i just went through the information it has to offer; scanned it and submitted it to the test of Herr Meier's Foundations and Criteria and went on.
I did not yet take part to the discussion on this topic, for it tends to focus on analogie and perception - something utterly subjective and rather speculative - and does not, in my view, go deep enough into the substance.
One thing is certain though, i felt no fear while reading that document and i sensed nothing that would make it 'dangerous' or 'subversive'.
Bis bald - bei der Meditation.
Salome. |
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