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    Markcampbell Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2008 |
They eat a small animal similar to a rabbit , but less evolved in consciousness , bred especially for that purpose . They eat less meat . | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 06-2006 |
with the search engine in this forum and at the very least, the book 'And still they fly', that question should really not have to be asked! | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2008 |
according to Moosbruggen the Plejaren say that meat is a definite requirement for health, but they do not butcher animals to get their meat, they clone it and eat some type of veal cutlets. that is a quick reply off the top of my head, but you can check it out. from what I gathered they do not herd animals for slaughtering purposes. And they do not advise domestication or live with their animals as pets, they say that is a disease causing scenario they avoid like the plague. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 05-2008 |
Thank you. I appreciate all the answers to my question. Except you, Indi.  | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 261 Registered: 06-2006 |
hey, from one earthling to another, my comment was meant in a positive light - even though it might not have looked that way. I am an experienced 'learner/student' and I know, yes, KNOW that asking questions without first trying to find the answers is of very little benefit to the seeker. Getting answers at these times is just one more 'missed' opportunity for the seeker to discover the answers, and in the process learn many more things whilst on the journey. So, my comment was in fact one of caring in learning Robjna | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 05-2008 |
Indi, I appreciate it. I haven't read that book yet. I'll probably order it shortly. I did search and the best answers came from the ones who replied to my question, including yours. Regards, yet another earthling. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 276 Registered: 06-2006 |
Rod re your post 434 in another section: I was reading from 'Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums' and found a wording that was different to that which you posted, and that which I mentioned in my post -- and then I recalled that we had this discussion before on the forum about the possibility of universes within universes. von siete 17 - my translation: Plejaden, die sich rund 80 Licht¬jahre jenseits unserer bekannten Plejadengestirne in einem andersdimensionierten Universum befinden, in einem zu unserem Universum um einen Sekundenbruch¬teil verschobenen anderen Raum-Zeit-Gefüge. The Plejades which are about 80 light years beyond our known Pleiadian star system are in a different-dimensioned universe to our universe, around a split second shifted in another space-time-configuration. Thus, in this sense, they have their own universe, although it is still the DERN, just another dimension of it. It is all very mysterious -- and eventually I may come across an explanation of how this might have come about and the way they discovered our dimension etc...... Robjna | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 535 Registered: 03-2004 |
Also in regards to the mention of Plejarens and other universes, I just read a contact report from one of the Contact Blocks in which it was mentioned (by Quetzal as I recall) that at the time of that contact report, the Plejarens and Timmars made academic studies of the subject of penetrating into other universes but had yet to penetrate into any other that the DAL and DERN universes. Quetzal mentioned however that he estimated that within fifteen years time from that point, they would likely have made progress in attempting to penetrate yet other universes. This is from memory and is thus subject to possible errors. Thomas | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 459 Registered: 01-2004 |
so then are the plejarens ancestors from our dimension or the plejarens dimension? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 539 Registered: 03-2004 |
The plejaren, as I recall, have the same ancestors as we do which, at some point, found their way into the current dimension inhabited by the plejaren. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 442 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** My understanding, is that the Original Lyrans were first in 'our' same time-space Dimension. Lyrans are supposed to be the forefathers of humanity. Of course, Humans were already here on Earth before the Plejarens arrived. Other Space-faring Civilizations (Non Earth-born Humans) had been interacting here long before. Erra, in the Time-shifted Dimension, is where they started their new civilization in the year 228,000 B.C. They had to flee their native planets in the Lyra-Vega Star Systems which were invaded by reptiloid entities from Alpha Draconis and escaped to the Pleiades, the Hyades, and to Vega which is also in Lyra.. They later became know as Plejarens, after they had the Technology to Time-shift. *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 545 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi J_Rod, may I ask where you read about the reptilians being the cause of the emmigration of the Lyrans? It sounds interesting but I had read, or thought that I had read, that the emmigration was caused by a natural disaster like the Destroyer comet passing through that system long ago. Thanks for the help :-) | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 08-2007 |
Thomas, I am not sure whether the Plejaren actually indicate anywhere unambiguously that the Destroyer Event was an attack by a foreign and less evolved Human Species, such as the Original Sirians/Men in Black ('Draconians'), but it certainly could make sense of why the Destroyer followed Terrestrials into this Solar System, along with the Moon (which was Part of an old lyran Planet). Whatever the Case, they have said that they carefully avoided all Contact with the Old Sirians (Men in Black) and Creator-Overlords (Egyptian-Martian-Sirians, Tibetan-Sirians, Sumerian-Sirians, etc.) when they were involved with the Earth in Ancient Times. For some Reason our Government seems to believe that the Destroyer Events, as described by Immanuel Velikovsky, were attacks by the Men in Black Race. Hollywood also made a TV Series, 'V', which was in some Ways fictive and slanderous, about how the Men in Black were using their Extraction of Substances from Seawater on Earth as a Cover for Preparations for Invasion. Any Invasion by them would be in the coming Centuries, and any sooner Invasion is likely the Staged Alien Invasion that the CIA is planning. Also, from what I have researched, although the Men in Black did insidiate into the UFO Research Movement, most of the 'Reptilians' encountered on Earth are terrestrial and interdimensional, or terrestrial and man-made for the Purpose of creating an 'Alien Abduction' Cover in order to cover up illegal Experimentation as well as to prepare for the Staged Alien Invasion. No Extraterrestrials or Interdimensionals are as moronically evil as portrayed in popular, government-manufactured UFO Lore, but the Men in Black are heartless enough to have 'Museums' of preserved Human Beings from various primitive Planets on their Homeworld, and the Skrill from this Planet certainly do enjoy Rape and Murder. However, I generally avoid answering Questions about these Things, because I do not want to arouse irrational Angst and hatred. Most Extraterrestrials and Interdimensionals are non-interfering or benevolent. For instance, there are Interdimensionals on Earth are known as 'Nature Beings' such as Elves, Faeries, and Elementals, while many Extraterrestrials that visit Earth are in the Plejaren Federation or from other positive and evolved Civilisations. The Skrill and the Men in Black simply do not respect the Law of Non-Interference. One should also be warned of any Claims about 'ascending to the Next Level' or a Ship called 'Avatar' containing 'Light Beings', as well as Stories about Pleiadian Space Brothers, since all such Things originate with the Bafath and Ashtar Sheran, who presented themselves through their mind-controlled aryan Pawns as 'Heavenly Beings' or 'Angels' and whatnot, with the Intension to conquer the Earth and take it out of the Hands of its rightful Owners, Terran Human Beings, as well as out of the Hands of the Skrill and Men in Black. The Bafath and their Allies also contacted 723 terrestrial Scientists and gave them Information regarding the Construction of Atomic Weapons, Cloning, Mind-Control, Real-Vision Technology, and possibly even Wormholes and crude Space and Time Travel. Certainly the Mind-Control Technologies have been successful. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1614 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matthew, Where did the information regarding the collection of human beings being displayed in Museums by the MIB come from? I believe the Skrill "did" rape, but this is currently not happening. Thank you Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Matthew, I never indicated that the Destroyer was used in an attack and I seem to remember that it was the product of a natural event, though I may be incorrect in this. By the way, who are the Skrill and where are they mentioned in the contact notes? | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear Scott, I haven't found any Indication that the Skrill have stopped coming into this Dimension. I have found Information suggesting the Opposite--that they are indeed still heavily involved in this Dimension, but Billy and Ptaah refuse to go deep into Discussion of this Matter, and wisely so, because of the Angst, Terror, and Ridicule that such Discussion would incite. If the whole Truth about the Skrill were discussed, Ptaah stated, then all of Billy's Contacts would become subject to Doubt and Ridicule. I think this suggests that there is much more Truth than Fiction and Slander to David Icke's Concept of the Illuminati. After all, Billy does not want to be the -only- Source of Reality for anyone, and he has put his Audience through a similar Wink and Nudge with the Matter of Crop Circles. The Information about the MIB came directly from Albert K. Bender's Book about them. I'll pull up the Quote from that Book, as well as the Quote from Ptaah about the Skrill Matter, even though Terrestrial Men and Women are clearly not ready to Face the Truth about degenerate underground-dwelling Dimension-Changers and the Men in Black. '' Bender: 'Do you intend to cause any harm to our people while you are here?' Androgynous Exalted One of the Men in Black Race: 'We have found it necessary to frighten many, but we have also had to resort to graver action in some cases which involved death among your fellow Earthmen. We have carried off many of your people to our own planet for means of experimentation and also to place some of them on exhibit for people to see. We have specimens of peoples from many planets, but some of them do not live. These we preserve. Such has been the case of your earth people; they have not survived.' '' (Semjase also comments on this barbaric Enterprise in the earlier Contacts, although I can't find the exact quote in the Moment.) --- '' Dreihundertzweiundzwanzigster Kontakt Donnerstag, 14. März 2002, 06.12 Uhr 322nd Contact Thursday, 14 March 2002, 06.12 hours '' 26. (Ptaah explains the true Nature of Energy Crop Circles aka Energy Pictograms) '' Billy Hätte ich die Erklärung nicht aus deinem Munde gehört, dann würde ich an deren Echtheit zweifeln. Doch reden wir nicht weiter darüber, sonst wird vielleicht doch noch zuviel gesagt. Billy Had I not heard the Declaration from thy Mouth, then I'd doubt on its Sincerity. But speak we no wider thereover, else perhaps too much is said. Ptaah 30. Und das soll ja unterbleiben. Ptaah 30. And that shall indeed stay down. Billy Richtig. Doch sag mal, in bezug auf verschiedene unbekannte Flugobjekte, eben UFOs, die seit Jahrzehnten immer wieder in aller Welt in Erscheinung treten, und zwar auch zur gegenwärtigen Zeit und was sich auch für die Zukunft so erhalten wird, darfst du wenigstens darüber etwas sagen, wenn du die vorherigen Erklärungen nicht tangierst? Billy Correct. Say now, in Relation to various unknown Flight Objects, aequally UFOs, that have appeared ever again in all the World, and for truth too at the present Time and what too come retain itself for the Future, darest thou say at least something thereover, if thou dost not touch the prior Declarations? Ptaah 31. Auch darüber sollte man schweigen, denn es könnten Dinge offenbar werden, die wiederum in den Rahmen unserer Direktiven fallen. Ptaah 31. Too thereover should one be tacit, for Things might become open, that round again fall into the Frame of our Directives. Billy Natürlich - wie kann ich nur. Wie steht es aber mit den erde-zukunftsbelangenden Flugobjekten, die nicht im Zusammenhang mit deinen Erklärungen stehen? Billy Naturally - how may I merely. How stands it though with the Flight Objects belonging to Earth's Future, that do not stand in Coherence with thy Declarations? Ptaah 32. Auch darüber sollten wir nicht offen sprechen, auch wenn diese Belange nicht unsere Direktiven tangieren. Ptaah 32. Too thereover should we not speak openly, too if these Pertinences do not touch our Directives. 33. Die Begründung dafür liegt in der Erden-Zukunft, aus der die von dir genannten Flugobjekte kommen. 33. The Foundation for that lies in the Future of Earth, out of which the Flight Objects named by thee come. Billy Und was ist in bezug auf 'Bioorganische Flugkörper' und die Skrill, soll man da künftighin auch nichts mer erwähnen? Ptaah 34. Das wäre ratsam, ja. Ptaah 34. That were advisable, yes. 35. Alles ist in bezug auf ausserirdische Flugobjekte und ausserirdische menschliche Lebensformen beim Erdenmenschen überbordend, wodurch damit entweder Angst und Schrecken geschürt oder alles ins Lächerliche gezogen wird. Ptaah 34. All is in Relation to extraterrestrial Flight Objects and extraterrestrial human Life Forms redundant by Terran Man, wherethrough therewith either Anxiety and Scare are stoked or all becomes drawn into the Ridiculous. '' --- Also, do not forget that, as stated earlier, Billy does not want his Contacts to be anyone's sole Source of Information or for anyone to simply 'believe' in him rather than logically trust certain Things he says and investigate for oneself. It is evident from even cursory research that there is a tremendous Amount of hard Evidence that a baleful Group is pulling Strings behind the Scenes on this Planet, and that this Group also has access to very advanced Technologies. The Number of independent Stories of satanic Rituals and of People 'shapeshifting' is also approaching the Point where it is more probable that they are based in Reality than a Hoax or delusional. I do not think that such potentially disturbing Information should be spoon-fed to those who are unable to imagine such Realities, though, and so I must not say too much. Perhaps if one simply pick up a Book by David Icke or Stewart Swerdlow, or listen to an Interview with the Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa. One should consider that the Bafath have also been an Influence on Earth, and that one should use the History given in Contact 251 as a basic Guide to understanding who the 'Chitauri' may really be. Unfortunately, it may well be the Case that conventionally-assumed 'Reality' is just a manufactured Matrix of different credulous Illusions and that the true Reality involves massive Social Predation by Human Beings inhabiting an alternate Dimension of this Planet. Naturally, the Faculties of the Pineal Gland as described by Billy would be targeted in such Manipulation, as this Organ allows the Perception of the Fine-Material and Interdimensional Realities. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 05-2008 |
Matthew: You often make outrageous statements and then when someone asks you for the source of your statements, you disappear for a while, only to reappear with more of the same unsubstantiated bs claims. For one example: Your accusation/claim that Obama is a gay rapist murderer. How about some links, or something? While it makes you feel good to go spouting off like that, you just come off as a loon or a liar trying to impress. You are here on a Billy Meier forum, so I will remind you of some of the 12 commandments: You shall not bear false witness against the truth, Creation and life. You shall never, never speak an untruth. Do not curse the truth. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1615 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Matthew, The only reason I was questioning the information about the Skrill is because of this reference by Dyson: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6427.html#POST20632 In regards to Bender's book, which I haven't read, where is he getting his information from? Thanks Scott | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 686 Registered: 10-2000 |
Matthew, First, I think you owe us some documentation on your claims regarding Obama's having murdered people. Also, in your last paragraph above you meld together a number of things regarding this "baleful Group" and presumed shapeshifters, etc. saying that it's "more probable that they are based in Reality than a Hoax or delusional." In the same way that that we should understand that not everything of an advanced nature comes from extraterrestrials, neither does everything of a negative nature. And as far as it being "more probable" that the things associated with reports of satanic abuse, etc. are all thereby "based in Reality" or accurate, it should be said that such negative situations would be at least as likely to create and/or promote significant fear, confusion, emotional disturbance, etc. and, thereby, not only not necessarily be a reliable source of accurate information but be a fertile field for disinformation created by very terrestrial sources. So that we can avoid creating, perpetuating, spreading disinformation here, again, please provide your source on the Obama murders and explain why what Bender said is known to be accurate. It seems like you blur some lines here between truth and science fiction. Also, in your translations of the German material, while appreciated, I wonder if "darest thou", "thou dost", etc. is the appropriate translation. It may be but if it isn't, what's the reason for it? Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 447 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** M57 in Lyra http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/1999/01/images/a/formats/large_web.jpg *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 08-2007 |
Michael, I generally do not give too much Documentation about Things of a controversial Nature, as those who react very badly to just the Mention of these Truths are also those who will break down psychologically upon being faced with Proof. It is best that Men and Women develop Self-Trust and independent Reason first, through the Study of Billy's Books. I used to believe in the incorrect Methods of Crusading and Convincing, but these are simply more destructive than helpful. If I mention something, it is mostly to remove some Bit of the Blindfold over most Mens' Eyes with Regard to the Big Picture on Earth. The Skrill are certainly not Extraterrestrials, in any Case. The very Fact that they Rape and Murder Human Beings out of sexual Degeneration demonstrates that they are of terrestrial Origin but from a different Dimension. There have also been numerous Accounts the world over going back to Ancient Times which repeat the same Information about demonic or degenerated Human Beings or Creatures who live underground in a different dimensional State and who come to the Surface to harry or even rape Surface Dwellers. I recommend you read David Icke's Books. Remember that Billy has often simply repeated our own mistaken Ideas back to us in order to protect us, e.g. about Chemtrails and the Pyramids on Mars. (Anyone familiar with Richard Hoagland knows that the Pyramids and Face at Cydonia are certainly not natural Structures, and Chemtrails are visible by the Naked Eye to almost any American, coupled with published Plans to counteract Climate-Change and empower the HAARP System using very similar Trails.) The Cause for the 'archaic' Translation is simply that up until even the early 20th Century, English had literary and poetic Forms which allowed for Words from all Eras of its History, including of course the traditional intimate Pronouns. I think it is an incrassating Failure to give up a more sophisticated Written Form of the Language in Favour of purely popular Colloquialism. You really have to think for yourself about the Matter of Bender and the Skrill, etc., simply because, as you stated, such Information causes far too much Distress and Angst on Earth at this Time in those who are not prepared to know it. It is clear that someone such as Earthling or Kingman is not ready to face the Truth about their Politicians. However, since you seem to be threatening to have me banned if I do not provide you with Sources, recaling that you are responsible for whatever emotional Confusion results, you may read about Obama's sexual and drug-related Degenerations and lack of U.S. Citizenship at the following Locations: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/members_of_obama_s_church_kill.html http://larrysinclair.org/ http://www.obamacrimes.com/ It is certainly correct that most of those 'aware' in a believerish Manner of the Skrill are quite deluded and have falsely imagined these Things due to Hollywood's often incorrect Portrayals of Aliens. Furthermore, the Skrill are not 'Aliens' but Intraterrestrials and Interdimensionals. They live in what Asket referred to as the 'Inner Earth', where the Giza Intelligences worked from. Also, I do not really support massive Rioting or other possible Consequences of wide Publicity of Obama's Criminality. Americans are in a State of Honourlessness where most must be deceived to prevent Chaos. Any Remarks by me about the Skrill or the Illuminati, and so forth, are intended for those who are intelligent enough to research these Matters for themselves with but the 'Leads' I give them. Also note that Dyson seems to have stupidly assumed that the various O.T.O.s constitute the Illuminati, just because there is a Degree within the O.T.O. called such. The Fact is that the Illuminati work -through- a variety of public and private Organisations, and do not actually correspond one-to-one with any of them, masonic or otherwise. Most of those who do work for the Illuminati are actually not even Members, but part of the 'Committee of 300' which is comprised of 300 Families which are heavily programmed to work for the top 13 Families, which correspond to the 13 Tribes of Israel and descend from King Solomon, who, incidentally enough, is said in Arabic Legends to have been replaced by a Djinn. The 13 Families are the Rothschilds (Founders of Israel, originally the Bauers), the Krupps (Industrialists), the Windsors (British Royal Family who are actually of german Origin), the Warburgs (the Inventors of modern Banking), the de Medicis (italian Aristocrats), the Rockefellers (American Bankers and Oil Tycoons), the Bruces (scottish Royalty), the St. Clairs (Sinclair Oil, etc.), the Plantagenets (french Royalty and Occultists), the Cavendishes (english and irish), Habsburgs (originally swiss, later pan-european Royalty), Romanovs (russian Czars, modern Oligarchs and KGB Remnants), and Hanovers (german Royalty). The Committee of 300 includes such Families as the Camerons, the Wilsons, the Crowleys, the Tafts, the Fords, the Harrimans, the Bushes, etc. There is also a 'Japanese Illuminati' who comprised the Lineages of the Forbidden City Rulers and the Japanese Emperor. The current Emperor, His Majesty (Akihito), is from this Bloodline. The Japanese Yakuza and North Korea are the main Arms of this Illuminati's Power. Also note that there are pro-'human' or Nazi Groups within the Illuminati and within Secret Societies which are just as bad on the whole and worse in some Ways than the Hebrew-descended and Japanese Illuminatis. Someone looking like a Reptile or a Blond Aryan is not a reasonable Basis to ally with them or hate them, especially since morphogenetic evidence shows that we Terrestrials may be Hybrids with a Reptilian Core. Basically, I disagree with doing anything more than treating the Nazis and Israelis as Criminals, as hatred and divisiveness would not do us any good as a Species. We all certainly descend from the Black Slaves used by the ancient Atlanteans, as our mitochondrial DNA shows, so we really are all one Race, despite Mixtures with different Extraterrestrials and Natives since that Time. Also, consider that the Illuminati are culturally a Combination of Israelis/Babylonians and Nazis/Aryans, thus much of the anti-nazi and anti-semitic Activity is ultimately under the Reign of the same Force. Really, the 'Skrill' who are in 'Human Form' on this Planet, such as the Queen of England, must be viewed as Terrestrial Humans who simply possess an anomalous genetic Makeup. In any Case, as the Introduction to 'Kelch der Wahrheit' discusses, -no- Human Being is born evil. Malice is the Result of Upbringing, and not an inherent Sin. Reportedly Prince Charles was originally not such a bad Guy, until his Uncle turned him to the 'Dark Side'. Furthermore, the Skrill -are- Human Beings, and not Animals or Robots. Many of them are simply quite degenerate due, presumably, to their Culture and Upbringing. Also, one should be cautioned against believing that Royalty in general is less preferable than Democracy, as historically this has been shown to be false in many Cases. The Head Royalty of Europe are not even legitimate, anyhow, since they are all demonstrably and by their own Admission Descendents of King Herod Agrippa of Judaea. The original English and German Royalty were a Mixture of Celtic and Germanic Royalties, and had no direct Lineage to the Middle-East except possibly through a Roman Lineage, which would be a foreign Introduction. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 05-2008 |
Matthew: Regarding Stewart Swerdlow; I am not a big fan. I find him a fear mongerer, one who preys on the fear, gullibility and credulity of others to make himself a living. His comments often stretch truth and facts beyond recognition, into conspiracy-itis-ville. His big claim to fame was the Montauk Project. I have a good friend who grew up there. He did business with personel on the base, had free reign and full access to all the rooms in question. He says the whole thing is a pile of fecal matter, to put it mildly. fwiw, I trust him 100%. Swerdlows claims of thousands of boys killed there are beyond absurd. The author of a book about The Montuak Project tells my friend that he was one of the boys they experimented on. He just laughs at that. While I think Swerdlow is also interesting and intelligent, he is also full of it and as I said above, he's a fear mongerer and earns his daily bread preying off the fears of others. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 08-2007 |
Sorry. My Screen is damaged so I can't quite see what I've posted. I accidentally left out Billy's Question about the Skrill: Billy Und was ist in bezug auf 'Bioorganische Flugkörper' und die Skrill, soll man da künftighin auch nichts mer erwähnen? Billy And what is in Relation to the 'Bio-Organic Flight Bodies' and the Skrill, shall one there too admonish nothing more future hence? Ptaah 34. Das wäre ratsam, ja. Ptaah 34. That were advisable, yes. Also the exact Citation of the Quote from 'Flying Saucers and the Three Men' by Albert K. Bender was missing. It is from Page 118. Furthermore, Michael, in Reguard to the Reliability of Bender's Testimony, I think that all that need be said in that Domain is that on page 122 of my First Edition Copy, published and printed in 1962, there is a correct Diagram of the Central Sun of the Universe and the Material Universal Belt, as later diagrammed by Billy in his Diagram of the DERN Universe. Also, seriously, these are the same ETs that Billy was harassed by, and who tried to assassinate him 11 Times. Salome, - Matthew Salome, - Matthew |
