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James
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 12:27 am: | 
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Gaia, if there was a special pill that released a miniature robot to block the tubes that release sperm and eggs it will be years of testing before it's deemed safe. Maybe in 50 or 100 years we'll see something like this. Even if it was possible it may affect the physical evolution of the species. I can image the body finding a work around after generations of blocked tubes.
If your suggesting surgery, I would never agree with this. In fact I'd kill anyone who'd attempt this on my children (if I had any).
The idea that makes most sense to me is forced sterilisation if having a child without authorisation, and remove excess children for adoption.
Welcome to Earth!
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Marcela
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 12:30 am: |
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Dear Gaiawingz:
You are absolutely right. Having children should be regulated and controlled by the government with the endorsement of the people through logic laws. This can happen in the western world. But let me tell you the situation of third world countries. I am from Bolivia; the poorest country in South America. We don’t sum to a lot of people, but obviously there are too many people, because there are not enough jobs or food for everybody. So, it would be nice if we stop having children until we can solve our economic problems. However, the situation is more complicated. The poor people don’t have access to the basic health services. They go to the hospital to give birth if they go, and they also go to hospitals if they are dying. That would be the only encounter with a doctor in the life of the majority of people. And this is the situation in all third world countries. So, you must be wondering why we can’t come up with a plan to help ourselves of such horrible conditions? Well, I don’t want to blame the Spanish citizens for anything right now, but the Spanish Colonies came to the continent, robbed, killed, enslaved, and in other words, they have destroyed the psyche and the culture of the Native Indians. The current government is only interested in making as much money as possible and then leaves the country; this is the situation since our so called “Independence”. Yes, other countries like Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc; they are trying to evolve, because they don’t have a large Native population. In my country the problem is that the rich people are racist and don’t want to see Indians in the same schools and jobs. So, multiply this situation by all those other countries governed by the dictatorship of corruption and you have an uncontrolled overpopulation bomb. My hope is that one day, the “civilized” world will regulate parenting, and maybe we will follow your example. Meanwhile we will have to hear on the news how children are neglected and abused, wherever there is poverty, there is some form of abuse. They go hand in hand.
MB
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Hector
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Post Number: 442
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 04:45 am: |
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Hi Gaiawingz your views about overpopulation are also mine. Your absolutely right and your opinion was fantastically explained.
There is no such "right" to have children but an individual and collective decision based on responsibility, capability, suitability, sustainability. The decision to engender/beget children is not a matter of pure "desire" or "wish", because children and descendants cannot be considered "a property". Many people consider descendants "properties" and some other people consider them cheap labor force. To beget children implies to give them everything they need (education, food, care, intelligence, much time....) If someone cannot guarantee these things to their future descendants, then he/she is not entitled to have children.
Much injustice and inequality in our planet traces back to irresponsible, inadequate parenting and treating kids like possesions or properties.
Saalome |
Indi
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Post Number: 262
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 05:17 am: |
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There are many possible solutions to the overpopulation problem, some more acceptable than others, however, in the best interests of evolution, I would think that taking over and 'making' it happen whether people liked it or not, is not going to teach anyone personal responsibility.
Seeing that Figu and the teachings are all about the taking of personal responsibility in order to evolve, then the slower, approach as suggested by Figu where everyone is subject to the same 'rules' and educated as to why over time, will eventually lead to the outcome -- a lot slower, but ultimately more lasting and with much wisdom to be gained along the way.
Robjna |
Corey
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Post Number: 94
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 02:21 pm: |
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yes, but I think overpopulation is perhaps the exception. Being slow about overpopulation is only compounding the problem. If we do a worldwide birth halt thru birth permits it would be better for our societies and collective. Not only are our atoms accelarated because of the atom weapons dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but our desire to procreate, Zeugung, is so out of control because of the Irrlehre of religions.
Ptaah said in 1975 that there is not a single planet that has a single or several irrational or destructive disturbance causing religion in the entire DERN universe, or any different Universem like our Earth does, well actually Billy asked and Ptaah reiterated (a) during an explanation to Billy regarding Irrlehre and other important matters. When a nother consequence of overpopulation or at least out of control births is that when an Embryo is three weeks old it will alarm the mothers Immune system,
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Corey
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 03:18 pm: |
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sorry I pressed the wrong button my last post wasn't really finished...
the end of my last post was supposed to go into the third week of a child forming as an Embryo already has knowledge from the storage banks (b) and considering the amount of our overpopulation as well as we have not evolved normally here on Earth we must slow down and give ourselves a chance to breath and societies a chance to progress evolve and in an essence catch up to FIGU of course which is going to seemingly take 800 years. Although perhaps the way to look at it is our history is just beginning...
at the very least currently our planet should consider assisting women who don't want to get pregnant, maybe this could get us somewhere to where we respect our Zeugung
Corey
(a) 31st kontakt, during Billy's great spacer journey lines 216-249 found in Kontaktberichte block one
(b) FIGU pamphlet: Zeugung, Schwangerschaft, and Geburt
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Edward
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Post Number: 1224
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 10, 2008 - 03:08 am: |
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Hi Hector....
Very well put.
Short impression and to the points!
I think Christian even mentioned that there is no such thing as 'right' to
have children, once. And what you mentioned, should shed light, as it is.
But, alas, in many underdeveloped countries, young females and women are still
being - raped -, alas to say. And this too contributes to our Overpopulation.
China had indeed, a very good policy with their 1 or 2 child program...though.
And this being under the supervision of the government. But, it seems, in some
parts of China, due to the growing Capitalism...more than 2 children are
aloud; which is indeed...very controversial with their 1 or 2 child program.
So, their economics are being based just as here in our western world: the
More People....the More Money...it concerns. The More global Overpopulation
this will generate, alas.
And a some researchers and scientists have calculated, that at the rate we are
multiplying, we need some 4-5 Earths or more for our future to come. And their
studies are based on the consumption usage of the mass; similar to what the
Plejarans have calculated....to my surprise. Seems, finally....they are
thinking Logical!
Edward. |
Pathfinder
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 12:53 pm: |
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I would like to discuss why Creation continues to add to earth's population?
From what I have seen from some on this forum it is obvious that Creation is still making New Spirits, (Oh c'mon, I couldn't help myself okay),
But seriously, given the danger of overpopulation and the laws of Creation being in existence to enforce a balance, why then is creation still creating new bodies for our spirits?
Wouldn't it be an assistance to this planet if Creation were to extend the period that a spirit remains in the processing realm before it is reincarnated?
And would it not be inappropriate for creation to create new spirits that will find their way to this planet needing a new body?
i am not sure how to ask these questions terminologically correct so lets stay on the topic and refrain from correcting my terminology in lieu of answers please.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1598
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 02:07 pm: |
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Pathfinder,
No new spirits are being incarnated on this planet presently because the evolution is too high. Creation does not create bodies, human beings create bodies. Just as Creation creates new spirits, humans create humans. Since Creation has to follow its own laws and commandments, it would not stand to reason that it could or would adjust the "time" human spirit forms stay in the fine matter world. If Creation were to change or adjust it laws, this would threaten the stability/balance of the entire structure of existence physical and non-physical. Just as Creation needs to rest between existences, so does the human spirit form. Yes, the human being through overpopulation has destroyed this balance, but Creation has given the human free will to discover the law of cause and effect....at least this is how I see it.
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Rarena
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Post Number: 355
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 03:32 pm: |
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Hi Pathfinder...
Would be glad to discuss with you... That's what this forum is for... We may have to change locations though... This is Overpopulation.
Short answer... free will... Scott nailed that one as he is often prone...
Overpopulation is our main problem... Normal reincarnation rest periods are usually one and a half times the normal life span, so for example a 100 year life span would be a 150 year rest period...
Currently... due to overpopulation we can count on about one life time or less, rest period...
Billy will be back in less than that, not as a prophet but I'm sure he will be a wonderful person... eh eh...
Since spirits of higher or similar evolutionary levels... reincarnate on planets of equal spiritual evolution... there are not many forms of life nearby who can reincarnate here... whether they may be more or less spiritually evolved as the majority of human folks here.
If they crash their spacer here, they will have to reincarnate here and adopt our spiritual evolutionary level while alive regardless of how far evolved they were before they crashed.
Many are of higher spiritual level than people inhabiting Earth (Terra) but for some reason (I.E. space craft crashes etc) they have to reincarnate here till they again evolve to the higher realms of existence...
Free will is a right within all beings, whether evolved or not so evolved, even the animals have a spirit although they may or may not be self aware.
It is said animals are more spiritual than us though... due to our heavy dependance on materialism and technology...
New spirits are being created as universes are being created... all living entities have a spirit although at different evolutionary levels and spiritual ages. For example... Billy's evolutionary level is millions of years more evolved, yet he will have to endure billions of years to return to Arahat Athersata.
We should be thankful we have such a gracious guide to help us find the correct path and also provide an "operational manual" of human behavoir..
Without space there is no time as without death there is no life. |
Pathfinder
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 05:06 pm: |
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Wow, this is alot to absorb. i appreciate the help though.
I want to take a closer look at the actual reincarnation phase of being reborn as an infant. I thought I read somewhere her that when a spirit was fully processed that a seed would be prepared in a woman to receive that processed spirit ready to be reincarnated. I will have to look at this in more detail.
I understand about the free will aspect, I guess I just need to educate myself on the actual rebirth aspects. it just seemed to me that if Creation was preparing bodies for processed spirits that a slowdown would automatically decrease the population problem that it is also having in the spirit realm where we are being processed.
Obviously I am missing something here and need further study.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1599
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 06:19 pm: |
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Pathfinder, the laws of attraction exist when a new fetus is conceived. The fetus has a polarity or charge which attracts the spirit. This cannot be stopped just like two opposite poles of a magnet will always attract each other. That is why it is up to the human being to curb the overpopulation problem, it cannot be done any other way. At least this is how I remember it. |
Marcela
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 08:06 pm: |
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I agree with Scott; besides Billy said that Creation will create the number of spirits that are suitable for a planet. That means that the number of spirits will correspond to the number of people that a planet can bear with plenty of food and water. Creation will not create infinite number of spirits for a planet that has finite amount of space and resources.
MB
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1600
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 09:23 pm: |
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I believe Creation has stopped creating spirit forms for planet earth at this time....but I better get back on topic  |
Joe
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 04:56 am: |
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Can someone please tell me if there is anything mentioned in the contact reports regarding Down syndrome? Is Down syndrome purely a genetic disorder or is it caused because of overpopulation? |
Edward
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Post Number: 1246
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 06:21 am: |
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Hi Joe....
As far as I know, such anomalies would be more in the - genetic anomalies -
direction...is mentioned by Billy and the Plejarans; which can occur (from
time-to-time).
But, I would not close out, that perhaps some form...similar...could also be
generated, though...through (Global) Overpopulation. With the knowledge, that
a - disorder - will arise within the processing, within Nature as well as the
Creational processing....to the concerning.
"Circumstantial Processing" would always have a hand, here, I would think.
Edward. |
Adysor
Member
Post Number: 126
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 09:34 pm: |
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Scott,
Lol, the production of spirits went down because of a high increase in the Demand. The company(Creation) could not keep up that production rate in the long run therefore it needs to lower the demand by an increase in price levels. :D
this was...****THE SPIRITUAL ECONOMY****
Now back to the topic.
Adrian.
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Pathfinder
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Post Number: 173
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 11:20 pm: |
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Scott,
have you turned into a capitalist on us? lol
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Joe
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 02:21 pm: |
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is it possible that the majority of Earth human beings haven't had past lives because of overpopulation? |
Thomas
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Post Number: 565
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 11:42 pm: |
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No Joe, all of the spiritforms haved incarnated many many lifetimes already. The ones that are not in human bodies currently are just in their otherside storage area for lack of a better term... |
Phenix
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Post Number: 160
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 04:57 am: |
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Sehr geehrter Herr Moderator, Liebe Kameraden,
This is the Follow-up to my Post 158( Section 'Ideas to improve the Mission'; Dec. 05/2008: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8881.html?1228498929)
I will add the following Steps in ACTIVISM:
- As you know i am also an active Member of Project Avalon Forum - a Forum with more than 3000 active Members from the four Corners of the World, who are eager to widen their Horizons.
Well, as soon as we get that Pamphlet or any other formulated for that Purpose Document, i would open a Thread on Overpopulation at Project Avalon Forum, where our Approach and Data would be discussed;
- I would suggest to those Kameraden, who may feel the Calling - or the Necessity of such Step - to subscribe to, to join 'Earth, Environment and Nature friendly' political Parties.
Be active therein, work patiently your Way up within the Structures and Hierarchies of those parties; gain Voice and Authority, bring up the Question of Overpopulation, put it on the Agenda - spread the News, promote Change from within.
- We could launch a ONLINE PETITION( or per Post) on Overpopulation, supported by our pamphlet.
We would ask every 100-200th Supporter of our Initiative to forward that Petition to the UN or the General Secretary of the UN, currently Mister Ban Ki-Moon (http://www.un.org/; http://www.un.org/sg/); to the World Population Organization(http://www.wpf.org/nederlands ; http://worldpopulationbalance.org/; http://www.populationinstitute.org/)to the World Population Awareness: http://www.overpopulation.org/;http://www.wpf.org/organisation) und so weiter...
I shall shorty send a Call to Herr Christian Frehner.
Looking forward to your Suggestions, Insights and Contribution.
Salome,
Adam. |
Pathfinder
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 07:02 am: |
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I would gladly support any effort that takes a step further as long as it is done in a way that will gain respect for our community.
Great care must be taken before the launch of anything so that we will have a very good idea of what the results may be.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 161
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 11:40 am: |
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Thanks for your Leadership and your Generosity, Kamerad Pathfinder-Edward.
I hope you enjoyed pure Neutral-positive Vibrations by the Peace Meditation.
Something must indeed be done. And urgently.
We shall thereby certainly follow strictly the Guidelines and Standard of Herr Meier and FIGU.
I think that it would be a major Breakthrough, if we could have some prominent People - Politicians, Opinion makers, Newspapers Editors, Artists, Sports Idols, Musicians, humanitarian Activists(Bono of the Band U2; Bob Geldof...), other respected and respectable Citizens - on our Side.
I would be particularly focusing on Africa.
The Support of a Figure like Mister Nelson Mandela and/or Reverend Desmond Tutu would be such an Asset!
Salome,
Adam. |
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