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Matthew_deagle
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Post Number: 232
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 05:35 pm: | 
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Scott,
I also did not perhaps clearly answer the 2nd Part of your Question:
Albert K. Bender was the first major Abductee-Contactee of the Men In Black, because he was in Charge of a large UFO Organisation who were getting too close to the Truth about their Activities on Earth. Billy has actually recommended Albert K. Bender as a Source in the Question and Answer Section of this Forum.
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Norm
Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 11:34 am
Hi Billy, One of the first well known uses of the term Men in Black
was in the 1962 book Flying Saucers & the Three Men by Albert Bender.
In that book, the author describes the Men in Black as "Men dressed in
Black with glowing eyes, they changed their form to what they really
looked like, a hideous creature".
Are these the same Men in Black that were altering your pictures? If
not then why do you use this term, as it is thoroughly discredited
today & could cause confusion?
ANSWER: Yes. However, their eyes are not glowing, but fluorescent. --- There
are only a few of them left (a group of old Sirians).
The other MiB are "Regierungslümmel" (governmental etc. agents).
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He often drops Hints such as this about these Matters, although he usually seems to simply spit back the Assumptions of those asking him foolish and simplistic Questions (e.g. in Entraction upon Crop Circles, the CIA World Government, the WTC Attacks, Zionism, David Icke, etc.). I am not criticising Billy over this Matter, because Billy is simply practising the Wheat/Chaff Separation that all Wise Men do, as well as protecting Terran Human Beings from psychological Shock. I honestly think that Billy and Ptaah would not mention David Icke's Book unless there were some Truth to it. However, Jan van Helsing is writing under a false Name and seems to be a supporter of Nazism, despite the Fact that there is some true Information in his Books. He skews the Truth in Favour of the 'Pleiadian' or 'Aldebaranian' Bafath, the non-Sirian side of the Manipulation. There are many chaotic Factions that are under the Direction of the same basic Group on Earth. The Semitic Race is supposedly descended from the Sumerians and the Draconians (Old Sirians), while the Aryan Race is supposedly descended from the Hyperboreans and the Aghartians. Thus the Semites are seen by some as 'Reptilians' and there is a lot of Racism in general among self-proclaimed 'Illuminati'. In my View, we are all the same Race (Terrans) and we should harmoniously integrate all of our Characteristics. I am both of Semitic and Aryan-Celtic descent, but I do not take Sides. I do consider Violation of creationive Law to be extremely stupid and dangerous, though, whoever might be guilty of it.
Also, Michael, I find it strange that so many Men and Women find the Concept of Satanic Ritual Abuse distressing and terrifying to the Point where it is denied out of Angst, while surely they are aware of the much more terrifying and distressing, as well as generally acknowledged, Reality of War. We have Film from Vietnam and from Hiroshima, from the Concentration Camps of Nazi Germany, from Stalin's Russia, etc., which is hundredfold more disturbing than a scheduled cannibalistic Ritual, in my Estimation, and yet this is not denied to be Reality. Rather, the Population seems to consent to and support further Wars. Strange Planet.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1616
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 07:56 pm: |
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Matthew,
If what you say about the MIB and Skrill is indeed true and they have the ability to appear at any time and they are capable of out smarting the Plejarens, shouldn't you be somewhat cautious about drawing attention to yourself in this regard? It would seem the things which you feel would be harmful to others in knowing this information, so indeed would also be harmful to yourself and would cause angst etc...in you as well. Something to think about.
Regards
Scott |
Michael
Member
Post Number: 687
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 09:48 pm: |
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Matthew,
Regarding your first statement about not giving "too much Documentation about Things of a controversial Nature", first the entire Meier case is of a controversial nature and I, for one, don't have a problem with providing documentation and discussion about it.
Second, your reason about people breaking down when faced with proof seems both condescending and evasive. While proof can be a matter of subjectivity as far as the individual determination of the validity of evidence, and while we are even asked to not make a big effort to prove anything in the Meier case (crusading and convincing), when you introduce things as facts and then don't support your claims you actually get that which you fear, i.e. people reacting "very badly" to both your claims and your unsupported declaration that they are "Truths".
Regarding the study of Billy's books, in fact there is very little information about, or emphasis on these conspiratorial matters, as you well know. While I don't agree with Billy about chemtrails or crop circles, I have no evidence that he and the Plejaren are trying to hide something from us. As they seem to adhere to telling the truth when answering...or not answering when they either don't know or don't want to discuss a certain matter. My personal experience is that Billy has unhesitatingly stated the same things about chemtrails, each time I asked him, as well as when responding to the question in writing. Again, I don't agree but I don't know that he is right or wrong.
As far as crop circles are concerned, the answer I received from him about impulses from the Creation being acted upon by human beings is not one that I resonate with but again I simply don't know. And, as far as structures on Mars are concerned, he has put forth his answers which, whether right or wrong, were given rather than an "I don't know", as he has done on many occasions about other matters.
As far as presenting archaic terms in translations, I think that it doesn't serve the clarity or the purpose of translating the information. Since you have gone to the trouble to translate it, which is a service to all concerned, why muddy the waters with something that distracts from the information? To be consistent I would think that you'd have to present all of your own writing in such forms but have probably realized that it's, frankly, pointless.
As for suggesting that I am "responsible for whatever emotional Confusion results" need I point out that you are the one posting the stuff, not me? As this part of your sentence shows "you may read about Obama's sexual and drug-related Degenerations and lack of U.S. Citizenship" you have left out the all important word "alleged". Since you are an advocate of people thinking for themselves, you might review your writings and notice that you state that certain things are true or "Truth" but don't want to substantiate them (as I already mentioned). So why not use words like alleged, reported, claimed, etc. and then clearly avoid being "responsible for whatever emotional Confusion results"?
And when I read some of the information at the links you provided, I failed to find any proof that Obama murdered anyone, or had anyone murdered. I did see a number of allegations and insinuations but no proof for the "Truths" that you have claimed as factual. You can imagine that these are not mere semantic concerns on my part; I often use the words alleged, claims, etc. in regards to the Meier material simply because there are things that I cannot "prove", i.e. information about events from the far distant past, the unfulfilled future, etc. I also don't shy away from stating that there are things that I indeed think are true, proven, provable, etc. and - even though it may provoke some "confusion" - I put the information out there for others to evaluate themselves.
Regarding "the 'Inner Earth', where the Giza Intelligences worked from" I am only aware of the GI having inhabited an area under the Giza plateau and not what is commonly thought of as "Inner Earth". Now there may be more information about that of which I'm not aware and you may be able to give us links to it, etc. I am also aware of information in the case about Agartha, the blue men of India, etc. but I don't think that this is what you are speaking about regarding the Krill.
As I recall in the Meier material, the Illuminati are hardly the major concern that your information (and other's) seems to make them out to be. Of course that's Meier's opinion (if I'm recalling it correctly) and we're not trying to create a "Billy said it, so it's automatically true" thing here. So as far as your genealogy and repertoire of Illuminati-related families are concerned, really , what are we supposed to do with that? Now I'm sure that there are plenty of people who get some satisfaction out of these identifications and...claims but I think most of this stuff is a distraction.
And I'd have to go back to also questioning your confident assertions that "morphogenetic evidence shows that we Terrestrials may be Hybrids with a Reptilian Core", that "We all certainly descend from the Black Slaves used by the ancient Atlanteans" and that "the 'Skrill' who are in 'Human Form' on this Planet, such as the Queen of England, etc." In light of what we all know is the core of the case, i.e. the spiritual teaching, are we really serving anything but our curiosity and fascination with conspiracies, etc. by all of this other stuff?
That's not a rhetorical question, since I don't rule out the possibility that a satisfying answer tying all of this stuff directly to the spiritual teaching might be given. But since Meier himself and the ("alleged") Plejaren haven't made an effort to do so, perhaps it's time for us to outgrow our fascination with these things (which haven't seemed yet to yield much light) and to increase our focus on discovering more about the spiritual teaching. In this regard, since you, Matthew, are able to read the German and translate it, I suggest that you might have make a more important contribution by focusing more on that and less on these "dungeons and dragons" types of diversions.
And I mean that in the best way, not as any kind of put down. When you see that someone is good at something and can make a large contribution in that area, it should be acknowledged. Since we are in rather accelerated times, it makes sense to me that we prioritize our time and our output in favor of the most meaningful things, those that help us to elevate our consciousness and to uplift others in the process.
Michael Horn
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 10:20 pm: |
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I wasn't aware of Matthew's source of Icke's material before . Maybe that explains alot .
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Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 233
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 11:23 pm: |
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Michael,
I do not wit if you are trying to maintain Friendly Terms with your Jewish Family or with Hollywood, but you should wit better. Contrary to Diplomacy, certain Witting does arise when one simply uses ones Reason and Comprehension in Concord with Natural Logic. And absolutely all valid Information about our Planet and our Folk is useful to us.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Gaiawingz
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 11:44 pm: |
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Michael:
'My personal experience is that Billy has unhesitatingly stated the same things about chemtrails, each time I asked him, as well as when responding to the question in writing. Again, I don't agree but I don't know that he is right or wrong.' -- what in the hell makes you uncertain about the reality of chem-trails?
Perhaps you mean that you aren't entirely sure about what the chem-trails are for, but the fact that they exist is evident to anyone with at least one working eye-ball: a con-trail evaporates in a matter of mere minutes, whereas these chem-trails hover in the sky and disperse slowly with the wind over the course of 30 minutes to two hours (and I've observed a great many of them). They also, demonstrably, have some impact on the weather -- though I figure they probably serve another purpose as well.
If you can't figure that out for yourself, and thereby understand that Billy is bs-ing about the real nature of chem-trails, then I really must wonder where you've misplaced your brain to.
Also, Michael, I wonder how much of Billy's material you can possibly be familiar with when you weren't even aware of his stance on homosexuality or anal sex.
As an aside, do you even speak German? If not, then I'd like to know where you come off stating that Billy (or Asket, or the Plejaren) hasn't said very much about any of these matters.
And finally, as to what good knowing any of this does one: given that we all exist in the same objective reality, isn't it useful for one to know about as many factors as possible when making decisions in life? Call me a fool if you will, but here I thought that making informed decisions, based on being aware of what is actually going on around oneself was generally a pretty good idea.
And before anyone starts bludgeoning me over the head with 'what does any of this have to do with your daily life' and other such nonsense, please consider the following: the people involved in these activities are the same people who stock the highest ranks of our society, they are the people who essentially rule the world, who lay down the law and decide that I will be thrown in jail for not paying my taxes, or (as in Germany) for being 'anti-semitic', or for smoking a plant that shouldn't be illegal. These are important, powerful individuals. So it really does seem to be important that one be in touch with what these individuals are up to.
Or you can pretend none of it is real. Being informed or living in the dark, it won't change what these folks are up to, it will only change your ability to take their actions into consideration as you go about your own life. It's the same situation as all the people who dismiss the idea that symbols have any meaning or any power to them whatsoever -- their denial doesn't change the power of the symbols, it just takes away from them any ability they may have had to utilize that power.
Peace,
- Gaia |
Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 435
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 04:36 am: |
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Can you guys please cool down, and try to respect each other and have a decent debate or discussion without resorting to personal attacks, many posts have been rejected because of attacks... and it just goes on and on and on...
Dont know if its the time of the year, but you people managed to degenerate this forum to a very disturbing level.
Where is the universal love, where is the forgiveness, kindness, harmony, peace and spiritual growth that the teachings bring??? where is it?
Salome to all and hope you guys wake up and start to see the wisdom in the teachings and discuss that instead of the degeneration you guys reached to, otherwise the forum will become even tighter, since the members cant pull themselves together and grow up...
PS: Although Billy and the Plejarens promote learning and studying everything in life, that doesnt mean the forum is a place to discuss everything. It is for pure FIGU discussions. |
Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 234
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 07:24 pm: |
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Earthling,
I must question why you would have such a Bone to Pick with Stewart Swerdlow. All that I can say of him is that his Information is documentably accurate in many Ways. The Montauk Project may not have involved some of the Things claimed about it by Survivors, but certainly it did happen. This is something I have found sufficient Proof for. I find it interesting that Billy claims that the Philadelphia Experiment and Bob Lazar are Hoaxes, given that John Hutchison seems to have rediscovered the Effects reported from the Philadelphia Experiment, and Bob Lazar is confirmed to have actually worked at Los Alamos and to have advanced Witting of physical Facts. There is a Book out about this called 'They All Told the Truth'. I think it is wisest to consider that Ptaah has made clear that the Plejaren are not allowed by their Directives to divulge too much Information about National Security or Secret Government Issues. They are thus only going to give us Hints, and sometimes Plausible Deniability, about these Matters.
There has been enough Coverup, Slander, and Deception reguarding Montauk to suggest that there is something very Big being hidden by our Government that did indeed take place there in the 1970s. The most well-confirmed Activities have to do with Mind-Control and Programming. The brainwave-altering Signals sent out using the Radar Tower at 435 MhZ were actually detectable into the 1990s, and probably still are. I am not sure whether the 'wilder' Claims are based upon absolute Truth, but that they possibly have to do with a Misperception of actual Real-Vision Technology being used is not out of the Question, given the Bafath and their Capabilities. The Theory behind at least the opening of Wormholes is very much congruent with Tom Bearden's Information, though. Perhaps the whole Thing really did occur as reported.
My only real Complaints about Stewart Swerdlow are:
- His apparent Anxiety about the Astral Plane (Part of the Fine Material Realm), which is only populated by 'Demons' to such a Degree because of the insane Beliefs in the Collective Terran Subconscious. This Leads him to make excessively admonitory Statements about the Astral Plane and its related Sex Magick Acts, Colour Codes, etc.
- His somewhat superficial Assumptions about Numerology, Colour Meanings, etc., which in some Cases are simply incorrect. For instance, like most terran Occultists, going back to Ancient Hindu Times, he assumes that the Colour Violet is positive and protective. However, as the Plejaren have admonished, the Colour Violet in all its Shades is basically negative, and is only perceived as positive on Earth/Terra due to it being the basic Colour of most Terrans' Level of Consciousness. This means that one will see Violet in the Auras of most Terrans, corresponding to the 'Colour' of their Mentality. Some Human Beings on Earth would have Green in Place of Violet, corresponding to a higher Level of Consciousness, while some would have Rose (deep Pink), which corresponds to a yet lower Level than Violet. Billy would have Red-Gold in his Aura, however, which is a yet higher Level of Consciousness than Green. Also, all Perception of Auras and EM Fields in the Fine-Material Realm, etc., are subject to the Sense Faculty of the Human Being who uses their Pineal Gland. Stewart, like many others who are able to see fine-material Fields, suffers from Near-Blindness.
- His Historical Information comes mostly from Government and Illuminati Sources, who are wrong or crude/inaccurate about a Number of Things, so it should be read with the Information in Billy's Contact Notes in Mind. He does give an honest View of some of the basic Beliefs of the Illuminati about their Ancestry, though. However, the Merovingians are actually descendents of King Herod Agrippa of Judaea, and not of Jmmanuel, whom Herod Agrippa vowed to avenge when he founded the Original Freemasonry shortly following the Crucifixion. Billy also assumes what others have, that the Bafath actually were 'Pleiadians', while they of course are banished from Plejaren Society long ago, despite their Lies to the Contrary.
Interestingly, it seems that Preston Nichols, the Electrical Engineer who went public on the Montauk Project, was actually one of the many Contacts of the Bafath who were seeded with technological Science in order to accelerate the Material Evolution of Terran Humankind. One must not accept what he says at face Value, but with logical Inference it seems that there is more Truth than Fiction to it.
Your Friend could easily have been 'debriefed'. Consider when investigating Matters like the Montauk Project or other secret Activities, that the USA Government successfully convinced the Apollo 11 Astronauts that they had gone to the Moon, when they in Fact had not, using merely Hypnotic Suggestion and Mind-Control Charades.
Where there is Lucifer, there is Shine, that is, Speciousness. Beware of Appearances.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 235
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 07:26 pm: |
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'Billy also assumes what others have, that the Bafath actually were 'Pleiadians', while they of course are banished from Plejaren Society long ago, despite their Lies to the Contrary.'
Replace 'Billy' with 'Stewart'. I meant to say 'he' originally.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 236
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 08:20 pm: |
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Scott,
I am currently in the Process of overcoming Angst. In full it will require much Meditation, but at the Moment I am mostly working on my Psyche and Thought Control. Billy has actually overcome Angst and is become objective, by his own Account at the very Beginning of the First Contact. I am not anxious about the Men in Black. The Plejaren are still involved on Earth and they have said that in 2002 they took certain Powers away from the Men in Black. I also am not very afraid of the so-called Illuminati (the one made up of the Rothschilds, Windsors, etc.), despite their Maliciousness and Organised Criminality, because I first of all do not pose any immediate Threat to them, secondly that they do not will to draw much Attension to their Activities through unordinate Murders and the like, thirdly that anyone studying Billy's Teaching is more dangerous to them dead (and thus reincarnating) than alive, and finally because if they do succeed with their plans for open World Domination and one of their many Factions ends up Top Dog, they will probably be able to use Men and Women who have studied Billy's Teachings for their own Purposes. They are not as wasteful as, say, John Gotti. They would be more likely to attempt to use the Spirit Teachings to their own Advantage, have Meditational Techniques and the like taught to their Children, etc. They would simply, out of Arrogance, as they always have, disobey certain key Commandments while allowing others to live under them. Consider that one of their Close Friends, as it were, is the Tibetan Buddhist Order.
The Illuminati are very intellectually intelligent, but they are suffering in their Spiritual Evolution due to their Mentality. Jmmanuel warned them about this when they were in control of the Pharisees of Judaea. They are now spiritually less developed than certain other Terrans, and thus are not actually the rightful Kings of Terra. This Process is going to continue forth, until in a few hundred Years, the Spirit Teachings will replace their Government.
I think that the first Step to truly overcoming Angst is to recognise ones Innermost Self, which has actually been 'alive' multiple Times over Millions or Billions of Years. One must also overcome the Victimisation Mentality which allows one to be preyed upon by corrupt Human Beings like the 'Illuminati'.
Earthling, I forgot to mention one other Area in which I disagree strongly with Stewart Swerdlow, and that is in his use of christianity-based New Thought Terminology, such as God-Mind, Christ-Consciousness, etc. Due to their Connotations, any Speech of the Words 'God' or 'Christ' actually releases negative Vibrations which corrupt the human Consciousness. These are understandable Mistakes, but they are still to be kent.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 237
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 09:47 pm: |
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J_rod7,
Your Information is at least semi-incorrect in any Case, as the Pleiades are not inhabitable, and the Pleiaren actually only ever colonised the Pleiares in a different Space-Time Juncture than this one, and never the Pleiades that exist in this Space-Time Juncture. You should be ware that -most- of the Star Systems that known Extraterrestrials are supposed to be from are actually not their Home Systems at all, but merely vague Approximations at Best. For Instance, the Original Sirians certainly do -not- inhabit Alpha Draconis as we see it in the Night Sky, as their Home Planet, Kazik, is in a different Space Time Juncture than this one. The same goes for the Creator-Overlords, the Sirian As and Sirian Bs as they are called, who inhabit the same Space Time Juncture as the afore mentioned Proto-Sirians. You can pretty much assume that any System that our Government assumes Extraterrestrials to be from is not precisely where they originate, except perhaps in the Case of the Zeta Reticuli Greys.
Also, the Sirian As and Sirian Bs, unbeknownst to them, apparently descend from the same lasanic Folks of Lasan as the Lyrans of Vega and M57. They are Part of the Henok Lineage. The Proto-Sirians, however, are not from that Lineage. Some Information suggests that they were artificially created in order to destroy the Lyran Civilisation.
It is interesting that the Name of the Proto-Sirian Home Earth, Kazik, imports 'The wise Guide of the Nation' in Proto-Lyran (see Billy's Books of Names), suggesting that it may indeed be the Seat of a much larger Empire. The Men in Black claim only to attack others when they are threatened, thus in Self Defence. However, what they are doing on Earth hardly seems to be Self-Defence, so one must wonder if they mean 'Self-Defence' in the same Sense as George W. Bush meant it with the Iraq War's 'Pre-emptive Defence'.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 238
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 11:35 pm: |
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Markcampbell,
My Source is not Icke's Material, although there is much detailed in his Books which is provably True, and I can use some of his Sources to back up my Perceptions. If you actually make Decisions about your Picture of Reality based upon what 'material' a Person is associated with, however, perhaps you should rethink such a crass Way of Researching.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 458
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 05:07 am: |
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Hi all,
I think some forum members use Billy's words in order to match their preconceived ideas/ideals. If they fit, fine. If they do not fit, then they rework/transform the meaning, the significance so they fit their preconceived concepts.
Before any single forum members dares to give an entire new interpretation of Billy's words, be it about Chemtrails, Men in Black, Skrills, Homosexuality or whatever, they should first sound out 1) Official interpretation by figu (consensus) 2) Interpretation given by a majority of forum members/ people interested in the Billy Meier story.
We cannot be a bunch of individual wise guys who act separately, think isolatedly and discuss topics individually. We have to act as a council, as an assembly, as a workgroup of people with same interests who seek to find things in common, things which unite, not separate us. If the Meier material exudes something, it is Logic, Coherence, absence of confusion, Uniformity, Clarity, language Precision. Values that unite, bind, glue.
So please, always try to reach a certain consensus, a certain agreement, draw certain conclusions who are good for the majority. Do not try to walk the spiritual path as a pure individual path. Separation from creation, separation from other spirits forms it's only fictional, only illusory.
In the future, in about 800 years or even sooner, some of us will selfwillingly give advice, give counsel to many, many people who seek right answers/decisions to hard questions. We will miserably fail that job if we act like "freelance" egoistical advisors who do not seek any kind of consensus, any kind of general agreement, conclusions, common ground. When you enter the Figu forum, leave your self-aggrandized egos at the door please. (That includes me too, obviously).
We may disagree sometimes or even most of the times, but in the horizon our goal must be to reach a certain ideological UNIFORMITY, common ground, common language, common structure so we can act as an organized group or structured association. We represent, we are, as Semjase once stated, "wandering temples of CREATION", so we must seek consensus and agreement, never discrepancy, disagreement. How can we guarantee the Mission a good ending, if we permanently sow between ourselves the seeds of Confusion, Disagreement, Discrepancy, Doubtness, Divergence...etc etc? Do you think doing that we will manage that more people transform into more "wandering temples of CREATION"? NO!! Where is your sense of interconnectedness?
Bedenke, alles ist eins! (Beware, be conscious....all is one!) |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 101
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 07:25 am: |
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Matthew: Thanks for your comprehensive replies, and also in particular regarding Swerdlow.
I think the guy (Swerdlow) is very intelligent and interesting, and I kind of 'like' him (same as I think of you, fwiw), but as you point out; he is such a mixture of what seems to be true or possible, mixed with paranoia, conspiracy-itis and just plain imagination gone wild; so much so, that mounds of salt are required, when reading or listening to him.
imnsho, no way my friend was debriefed regarding the airforce base in Montauk, aka "The Montauk Project". I've known him for 20 years, fwiw. Far too much is attributed to what may have gone on there. The place has a weird vibe and it isn't too difficult to imagine people coming up with tall & taller tales. I wouldn't know, so at the very least I can grudgingly admit; perhaps some things were attempted there, but nothing close to what Nichols or Swerdlow say.
Also, regarding the Obama allegations: I don't buy them, at all. And I am not an Obama-maniac, not even close. Just saying.
Be well. |
Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 176
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 07:39 am: |
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Balance needs to be sought after here.
On the one hand we have members who promote sticking to FIGU topics only, so much so that they would rather not have anything else discussed here at all. And this IS a FIGU board as they point out.
On the other hand, we have members who act almost as extremists passionately flaunting their point of views without any search for compromise or correction. they seem uninterested in discovering truth but believe closed mindedly that they have already acheived it and want to argue it to the death.
if we all have learned anything it should be that Creation is all about balance and I think it is time to show what we can do with what we have learned. is it possible for all of us to actively and with determination evolve this situation into a higher state by bringing a little balance into the discussion where one muight have to simply concede for the sake of cilivility, or to even admit that they may need to seek further knowledge on a topic before debating it further. I don't agree with avoiding discussions of extra-FIGU related topics as long as they deal with Creation or humanity in some way, but i do agree with the moderators that some of these discussions have gone way out of bonds when talking about literature and teachings of people that have nothing to do with FIGU or the Plejaren.
By finding a balance where we can discuss extracurricularly without going too far out there, discussions may not reach points of frustration and insult and would also alter the appearance of the board which to visitors must look quite different from what we actually promote.
I have leaned a great deal here, and have thankfully been forced to change my point of view on a few things. I know that has more to do with my being unfamiliar with all of the teachings moreso than compromise, but the point remains that without concession and compromise and civility the appearance we take on is the opposite of what we want to portray.
Sincerely ,
Pathfinder
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Michael
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Post Number: 688
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 09:24 am: |
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Hi Matthew,
I must say that's one of the strangest non sequiturs I've encountered. While I don't insult easily, I guess that was intended to be an insult, inaccurate as it was on both counts. To be specific, I don't have a "Jewish Family" (though I wouldn't mind being adopted by some I know) and I avoid going into Hollywood at almost all costs.
You could have said that I'm short and bald, at least that would be true. But do explain why either of the two references should be taken as an insult and why you felt insulted in the first place by my specific responses to your points.
As I said, quite genuinely, in my last paragraph, there were no put downs intended.
Michael Horn
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:42 am: |
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I just wanted to say that Michael Horn speaks German pretty well . He gave a speech that he wrote in 2003 to the passiv mitgleider meeting , and I was floored by it . Native german speakers sitting with me steered me through it a bit . I can read a little , and I can ask where the bathroom is , that is , if they change the name of it to a train-station .
Everything else , previously mentioned to me here on this thread , would have to pass certain criteria for me to answer , which obviously , doesn't .
MC |
Matthew_deagle
Member
Post Number: 239
Registered: 08-2007
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Michael,
There were no Put Downs intended by me, either. I am just being realistic. You have made popular Films, and you have a Review by Michael Medved on your Website, so I assume that you do successfully 'sell' certain Information by toning down the more controversial Parts.
I said what I did because I have seen many Filmmakers actually 'apologise' for even mild 'Anti-Semitism' in their Films, such as...Criticism of Israel. Stephen Spielberg is an Example, who made Schindler's List partly to apologise for having portrayed Nazis as...evil Bastards...in 'Raider's of the Lost Ark'. He then seems to have made a Staged Alien Invasion Movie, 'War of the Worlds', to 'apologise' for portraying the Zeta Reticuli as our Friends in 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. He then portrayed the CIA as less unfriendly in his Remake of 'E.T.', by taking away their Guns. Generally in the USA, one is pressured to be both 'patriotic' by supporting whatever our insane Government does, as well as pro-israel, even if they have surpassed the Nazis in Maliciousness at this Point in History.
I simply said what I did because I find that Filmmakers tend to be far too 'balanced' and unjudgemental with their Statements because of the heavy Zionist and Pro-USA Pressures in that Industry.
Also, I would say that Jews are most often Zionists these Days, and often treat Friends and Family Members as 'anti-semitic' or 'self-hating' if they criticise Israel. I have seen extreme Belligerence by such Jews even in Response to Criticism of the environmental Effects of the berlin-style 'Wall' in Palestine.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Badr
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Post Number: 436
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 02:26 pm: |
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can you guys please get back to the topic? |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 451
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 07:23 pm: |
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Hello Hector,
You have writ an Idea, very well expressed, I take to Heart, and think we All should as well...:
["We cannot be a bunch of individual wise guys who act separately, think isolatedly and discuss topics individually. We have to act as a council, as an assembly, as a workgroup of people with same interests who seek to find things in common, things which unite, not separate us."]
We are, after all in FIGU, A Community of Common Interests.
Thank You for Your Thoughts on this.
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Michael
Member
Post Number: 689
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 09:04 pm: |
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Hi Gaia,
A little story for you. When I first brought chemtrails to the attention of FIGU, back in either 2001 or 2002, and after I'd also photographed them coming into Zurich, I was greeted with a bit of chiding, to say the least. To this day some of my FIGU friends consider the whole matter nonsense.
When I reported the chemtrails to a number of news stations in L.A. they wouldn't even look out their office windows to see what I was talking about. Since I don't live too far from the airport, I noticed that the patterns and flight paths seemed to be unusual, based on my observations of regular air traffic as I was familiar with it.
And my friend James Deardorff, who's quite experienced in meteorology, wrote me detailed emails as to why the chemtrails were not so out of the ordinary. I'm sure you also read Billy's take on them too. My point is that I have been aware of this phenomena for a considerable time and my concerns about them have not resonated with numerous people, including those at FIGU...so I'm not "uncertain about the reality" of them. I simply don't KNOW exactly what they are. Maybe you do, or maybe you believe that you do.
As far as Billy bs-ing about them, as I stated before, when he doesn't want to talk about something, he doesn't talk about it. And you probably know that he, and Christian Frehner, have clearly stated that he is not lying about things because of the dreaded powers that be. He has dodged 21 attempts on his life and perhaps I am naive to not read things into his statements that you and others do. The last people he was trying to convince that they were on the wrong track were the gaiaguys when they were all immersed in the PoZ, Freemasons conspiracy stuff.
Re his stance on homosexuality, etc., yes, I am aware of it but I was expressing my own opinions regarding anal sex. I also tend to go "yuck" at babies picking up stuff from the floor/ground and eating it, I can't stand the idea of eating chicken wings, S&M and other fetishes seem unnecessary and idiotic, and numerous other things that aren't compatible with my aesthetics, sensibilities, preferences, prejudices, etc. I also don't think that improving my German, a fine idea in its own right, would alter these personal aspects of my life. And it's said that opinions are just like, well, it's said that everyone has one and really, so what?
BTW, while my German is still rather primitive, Mark's kind words, notwithstanding. I did manage to conduct about 80% of my last conversation with Billy in German (at his request). It's amazing how well one can make himself understood using even limited vocabulary.
Regarding making good decisions, I also find that's a matter of personal experience gained in the process of...making decisions. So far, most of my daily, important decisions haven't involved the stuff that conspiracies are made of. And while we certainly should explore as much of the world as possible, there comes a time to prioritize as well.
Since you mentioned "smoking a plant that shouldn't be illegal", my own observations over many years revealed how emotionally stunting are the effects on regular and long term users...legal or not.
The power of thought, as Billy has mentioned, is the most powerful force, second only to the power of the spirit. I prefer to work on mastering my thoughts and very much diminishing any fear connected with all of these nefarious groups, conspiracies, etc. My daily life gives me plenty of opportunity to apply both my powers of observation and thinking, along with inspired (as well as required) action.
Do you find that there's a carry over into your daily working life, as far as some of these conspiratorial topics go? What I mean is, apart from the fact that we live in this world of light and dark and there's always plenty of negativity to go around, are you more aware of these specific negative hierarchies than others around you?
Last question, do you consider yourself a person who forgives easily?
Michael Horn
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 437
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 09:31 pm: |
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Dear Michael and Gaia,
Please continue your discussion on another topic.
Salome, Badr |
Syn
Member
Post Number: 94
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 10:25 pm: |
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can someone direct me to the posting of chem trails by billy meier, the search function never works out for me...
btw what exactly stops from the military or the powers that be to just go and send a professional sniper or something to kill billy or send a pack of 10 army soldiers and go and shot him in the head if hes so threatening.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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