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    J_rod7 Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All, Member Phenix has proposed a very interesting Action Plan to address the Global Overpopulation...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8881.html?1228498929#POST36824 The Follow-up (Post #160, above), provides additional avenues for reaching a greater number of People with this message. In addition to giving OUR support to this Call to Action, there are additional steps which can be made. Immediate STERILIZATION of ALL CONVICTED FELONS - GLOBALLY. Radical? You betcha.! Needed? Absolutely.! Persons convicted of Crimes against any other Human, should NOT REPRODUCE. Eventually, we may be able to eliminate (greatly reduce) the Genetic Propensity for Criminal Behavior out of the Population. (This will also reduce the number of Crooks posing as 'political leaders'). This is a good place to start, with a Concept of Population Control that the People could really get behind. (As the Prisons will eventually become empty, turn them into Homes for the Homeless - no locks needed). More Ideas...? Peace - Out *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 05-2008 |
Phenix/Adam: I would just like to say; you are NOT purely neutral/positive; you are positively positive/POSITIVE.  | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 01-2008 |
If you're interested in sterilizing convicted felons, what about the people all over the world who have HIV (AIDS)? These people are hugely susceptible to diseases and early death, which means that even if they might otherwise be over-all good/decent parents, they run the huge risk of infecting their offspring, as well as being unable to guarantee that they will actually be around to support and care for their children. Similarly, those who cannot afford to feed, clothe, or adequately educate their potential children should also not be allowed to reproduce, as the inevitable result is some level of abuse of their offspring (whether they intend it or not). There are many people who should have their ability to reproduce curtailed. There's also the fact that, in the States at least, there are thousands of non-violent Marijuana users who have been convicted and tossed in prison, who are otherwise completely innocent, law-abiding citizens. I'm not saying being high every day, all day is really conducive to good parenting, and women who are pregnant should be careful about what their put in their bodies (including what kinds of foods they ingest, such as factory produced meats, milk-products, eggs, etc.) -- but having smoked some Marijuana should not be reason enough on its own to sterilize someone. There are also many innocent people who have been wrongly convicted of crimes they did not commit. Then there are also those people who have committed crimes such as theft or fraud out of desperation because they were, themselves, born into circumstances which were not conducive to healthy development, or who simply live in such poverty that they have no way of feeding themselves without resorting to thievery. There are obviously many factors to take into consideration. So perhaps what we need is to perfect a method of semi-permanent sterilization which could be reversed if a couple complied with certain criteria (ex. healthy life styles, free of hereditary diseases, harmonious and loving toward one another, capable of feeding, clothing, housing, and properly educating their potential children, etc.) -- and which is implemented en masse on the population sometime around the age of sexual maturity. Food for thought. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 01-2008 |
As an addition to my previous post, it must also be considered that many 'convicted felons' are convicted on charges of accidental manslaughter, such as being involved in a brawl which gets out of hand and leaves someone seriously hurt or killed, or someone who crashes their car while drunk and ends up killing someone else in the process. There's also the example of the worker at a US WalMart who was trampled to death on Black Friday. While I don't understand how anyone can not realize they are stomping over someone and killing them, there remains the question: who do you convict? What charges do you convict them on? Such incidents are terrible accidents, and by all accounts the people responsible should face repercussions for their actions, but to be branded for life as a murderer or the like, especially when they are generally wracked by guilt already, isn't really fair. As tragic as these things are, they are frequently accidents. Then there are those men (and probably a few women) who are convicted of child molestation and pedophilia if they are even 18 and have a 15 year old girlfriend, or are 21 and have a 17 year old girlfriend. Even someone underage can be convicted of possessing child pornography if their underage partner sends them a picture of their breasts or genitalia. Even in the case of premeditated crimes, however, it must be taken into consideration that criminals are capable of learning from their mistakes. Obviously not all criminals learn from their mistakes, but many do, and to sterilize them permanently without any hope of ever proving that they learned from their mistakes and came out better people as a result would be inhumane. Reversible sterilization methods are quite plausible and seem to be the logical route to go in any case. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 697 Registered: 10-2000 |
Since I was online answering Matthew, this may be an acceptable, if not totally appropriate, place to inform about my newest film, which I produced with my daughter. A trailer can be seen here: www.breakingthesilencemovie.com Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi there Gaia, Your Ideas have Merit. My proposal to Sterilize convicted Felons was Qualified where I stated this should apply to those which have committed Crimes of Violence against another Human. I do like that Idea to Sterilize those Welfare types who pump out Children, usually from several (some also 'unknown') different partners. Reduce Welfare payments to those after two Children to the same level as having only two. Same with Tax-deductions - Freeze deductions at two Dependents. This could be as effective as Sterilization in many cases. As to those with AIDS or HIV, Sterilization probably would not work. In some places, the superstitious nonsense prevails that a cure for the disease is to have sex with a young Virgin. It would be better to ISOLATE all such infected AWAY from all Social Opportunities. Good thinking Food. More is needed here to make a Buffet. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 533 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaia, There will be people who will step up and do the right thing when they have children in undesirable conditions. Unable to always properly feed ones child is a weak reason. As an outstanding example, Barak Obama, was raised by first just his mother, then just his grandmother in a situation that classified him as in poverty. He eventually graduated FIRST in his class at HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, served several years as their editor of the schools newspaper, became a US SENATOR(without killing anyone contrary to some peoples BELIEF here), won the DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION for PRESIDENT over a certain female front runner with loads of lobbyists cash, he then won the PRESIDENCY of the UNITED STATES(with money from the little people, because they are beginning to use logic, no small feat these days) over a Republican Candidate that was all prepared to continue the rolling disaster. All around the World people rejoiced. You can say, 'Oh just wait....'. He's being handed the biggest disaster our current civilization has ever experienced, this needs to be understood first and foremost. Only someone who wanted the World to tumble into absolute turmoil would deny this, IMO. There's a great reason why all your positions , and/or observations can't all be realistic. Sterilization is an advanced evolutionary concept we would war over if it were tried currently, even temporary sterlization(who trusts the government, really). Logic. I'm not shooting down all your thoughts here, just the ones in my OPINION are out-of-step with the times. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 536 Registered: 07-2004 |
J_rod7, You speak of highly inflammatory material here. This is something than can ostracize large swaths of possible readers of the spiritual truths. I'm not saying don't speak of it, just step back and realize the undesired effect it will have on a major portion of the truly TV-effected potential new students. And to say, 'Well then, we don't need those people'. You know as well as I know once you start to grasp a little of Billy's materials, chances are good you will return to continue reading this source of true spiritual treasures. When one finds gold, they rarely lose the map to their goldmine on purpose. "Good thinking Food. More is needed here to make a Buffet. " I think the flavors are a little to spicy at this little 'buffet' Carefully worded speak is a forte of Billy, emulating him in this context will do no harm my friend. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 537 Registered: 07-2004 |
Michael, Your link failed. Salome, There I go again, bearer of bad news. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 07-2008 |
Guten Tag Herr Moderator, liebe Kameraden, Kameraden Earthling, Marksmanr, Gaiawingz, Herr J_rod7: Your Contributions are highly appreciated. I would urge all the others to speak up, for i have sent a Call to Herr Christian Frehner and it is possible that he would first have a Look here to see, whether this Initiative has enough Support - one Way or another, i would carry on. Herr J_rod7, Bruder im Geist, Thanks for breaking the Discussion open with your Post 463 - Che Guevara would have approved! It is exactly what i meant with "bringing up the Topic of Overpopulation in a controversial, but handy and useful Way" in my Post 158; Section 'Ideas to improve the Mission'. As for the Methods towards a responsible Earth Population Management, i would stick to the Perspective of Herr Meier: a World wide Stop of Birth for seven Years, then a further coordinated World Population and Birth Rate Planning. The Question is how to get there. We must arise the Awareness of People. For a Begin, we shall make sure that all Ministeries/Departments of Family and Population of all Countries of the World receive our Pamphlet/Petition per Email and/or Post. We would devide the whole World into specific Tasks Areas, depending on our respective Locations and eventually the Languages we master. From here, The Netherlands, i would cover The Benelux( Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg; Languages: Dutch and French); the Scandinavian Countries( eventually, if there is no Member from that Part of Europe: English would do here); the Former Soviet Republics( Russian is still a common Language there); the French speaking African Countries and France itself. This could be, for Instance, the Task Force 'BESCARF'(BEnelux-SCandinavia-Africa-Russia-France). and so on... Volunteers to BESCARF should feel free to join me. Just send a 'Salome Greeting' to: aepsilonm@hotmail.com Kameraden, Nowadays all Organizations, Instances, Institutes, Ministries have their public Websites. Let' s find them and act. [NOTE: one could argue, that it would be cool, if our noble Plejaran Friends could deliver our Pamphlet/Petition in their cool Beamships... But, come on, Kameraden! There are Things we can sort out ourselves, and this is definitely one of them! And besides, i am the Postman here!] Examples: it took me less than an Hour on Google to have the following: Ministries of Family and Population of all African Countries: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTAFRREGTOPGENDER/Resources/gov_contacts_3.pdf Ministry of Family and welfare Bangladesh: http://www.google.com/search?q=Ministry+of+population%2C+health+and+family+bangladesh&rls=com.microsoft:nl:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA Honduras: Ministry of Family and Population: http://www.paho.org/English/DD/AIS/cp_340.htm ; Department of Population Planning: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html Websites of Population Council worldwide: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html Online(Dutch) Address Encyclopedia of World' Population related Instances/Organizations: http://www.socialsecurity.fgov.be/nl/links/staten.htm UNITED NATIONS POPULATION INFORMATION NETWORK(POPIN) - DEMOGRAPHIC, POPULATION AND FAMILY PLANNING WORLD WIDE WEB SITES: http://www.un.org/popin/other4.htm Website of the Activist on Human Affairs, Leader of the Band U2, Mister Bono - with his Direct Contact Address!: http://u2_inspire.tripod.com/ Mister Nelson Mandela Foundation: http://www.nelsonmandela.org/index.php Most Reverend Desmond Tutu: http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/profilefull.aspx?IndID=1971 And so on... I could have already started, were that Pamphlet/Petition available. Kameraden, We would add a Couple of Nobel Prize Winners, Mister George Clooney, Mrs Angelina Joli and Mister Brad Pit, Frau Madonna, Mister Thierry Henry, Barcelona Football(Soccer ) Club of Spain - this Club works closely with UNESCO - the Discovery Science Channels dealing with Population, Scientific Magazines ...( and many other People and Organizations, famous also for their Commitment to Global Human Affairs and International Cooperation) to our Target Lists and give it a Shot! Laßt uns die Schöpfung achten - und arbeiten! Salome, Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2008 |
IMHO I think one of the greatest barriers to curing our world of its ills is the quest for equal rights. I believe in equality for all, but that does not mean that one individual should have the right to interfere with the common good for the majority. I am not condoning sacrificing the few for the many, I am saying that when trying to accommodate equal rights for every single person and every different situation, we cannot overlook the common good for the majority of the population to please a small minority. When we do that we create serious problems that go unsolved because we become afraid to step on someone else's toes in the process. We simply cannot please all of the people all of the time. And it is foolish to tolerate situations that are disabling humanity and/or corrupting it as a whole just to please a few. Suppose there was an epidemic that was dropping us like flies and was only passed on by people who ate oranges. Humanity could end the disease by outlawing the eating of oranges, but a small group of people who wanted to have the equal right to eat oranges if they wanted to refused to obey the law. This continues for a few years to the point where there are only 20 people left on the earth, and three of those are orange eating activists. i think we would all be agreed what would happen to those orange eating fools regardless of their right to equality. So why does the logic become flawed when we are talking in the billions instead of twenty? The simple logic remains the same now as it will in the end of the crisis, the only difference is that we could have prevented it in the first place. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2008 |
Shawn, Although I usually agree with most of what you have to say, I would just like to point out that trying to observe hindsight ahead of time should not necessarily be considered as foresight. It may not always be prudent to avoid appropriate action to avoid the possibilities of what could happen. Using that logic one could also suggest that its not worth doing anything constructive in this world because we might get hit by an asteroid in the future anyway. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2008 |
Dear brother Adam, Although I agree that it should be our responsibility to attempt to profess truth and knowledge to the world, I am not sure that pamphlets is the way to go. IMO it just too closely resembles the methods used by christian organizations in distributing their propaganda. Will we condemn religion while at the same time applying their methods, in essence wearing the same clothing? It is also one of the main methods of propoganda distribution technique applied in war. One of the dangers that we must be concerned and cautious of is being labeled as extremists right from the start, which is exactly what any opposition will attempt to do as soon as we make ourselves publicly vulnerable. IMO, I believe it would be very wise to try to consider every argument that will be launched against us and then learn how to best cope with them before we begin anything. Creating a task force to address complications and argument which can address every possible situation would be the first step in any effort. Then, when we believe we are ready to stand up for what we profess with an ability to answer the tough questions with resolve and unity, than we can figure out the best media to deliver the message. Right now it appears to me that we are not all agreed on these answers ourselves. to take that step forward without unity and agreement is only inviting an initial stab in the back from the very first step. I am all for the attempt, I just believe there are a few concerns to be addressed and a few more cautionary steps to be taken first. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 699 Registered: 10-2000 |
Thanks Kingman, This one should work: http://breakingthesilencemovie.com The site is in its early stages. Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 538 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, Thank you for the flowers! And in other news, You state, "Using that logic one could also suggest that its not worth doing anything constructive in this world because we might get hit by an asteroid in the future anyway." OK, What you say is simple logic. It's good to know these things. But I can't take credit for saying this diddy. I was more saying this, and these are real actual quotes: "I'm not saying don't speak of it..." "Carefully worded speak is a forte of Billy, emulating him in this context will do no harm my friend" So unless we're both on the wrong page, my point is how we present these ideas. As a one time professional sales trainer(ok, semi-pro), Ideas are your product and you are the salesman. Sure, harsh times require harsh words, well not exactly. Ditch diplomacy,(Billy has proven with his predictions Diplomats are the problem), and create a truthful sales presentation that is good for everyone involved. We called it the infamous, 'Win-Win' scenario. I never said don't sell your/their idea, just be a good presenter and it goes much further, as well as easier. Good Luck! Salome, P.S. Greed has to be near the top of ills we face, this leads to all disgusting avenues. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2008 |
Honorable Kamerad Pathfinder-Edward, A Pamphlet should certainly not be the only Way to tackle Overpopulation. Politicians, Painters, Athletes, Postmen, Bus Drivers, Scientists, Webmasters, Teachers, Engineers, unemployed Persons, Soldiers...all our Members could contribute in one Way or another. There is enough Work for everybody! The Discussion towards some rational, practical Resolution of this major Issue - always following the Standard set by and in the Spirit of Herr Meier and the Mission - is open and ongoing. And that is already good. In the Process, we would ultimately come to some Consensus. Your Suggestion would be more than welcome. This Method and Religions and the Methods of Religions. Well, i think that we rather criticize and strongly reject the CONTENT of Religions and Religious Methods. I do not see much wrong in sharing such a vital Information with as many Fellow Human Beings as possible. Manu military? Maybe, dear Edward, maybe - we have little to do with the Military, though: we won't force anyone, we would never Use Violence and/or Duress of any Kind! It is just a methodology, a well proven Approach i borrowed from 'left' Activism. Information: Taking the Following into Consideration: "EINE WICHTIGE NACHRICHT AN DEN LESER DIESER SCHRIFT In alle deutschsprachigen Geisteslehre-Texte von Billy ist ein Evolutions-CODE eingewoben. Dieser Code ist nur dann vollständig wirksam, wenn von Anfang bis Ende des Textes jedes Wort an seinem richtigen Platz steht und fehlerfrei geschrieben ist. Der Code löst von den Speicherbank-Bereichen Impulse aus, die den Leser treffen und in ihm evolutiv zu wirken beginnen. Dieser Vorgang ist unbewusst und hat nichts zu tun mit einem Zwang oder mit Manipulation, sondern allein mit dem Wissen, das in den Speicherbänken für alle Zeiten festgehalten ist und das bei der Auslösung durch entsprechende Impulse sehr langsam wieder ins Bewusst sein durchzudringen beginnt. Diese Wirkung tritt auch dann ein, wenn jemand den deutschen Text liest, der der deutschen Sprache nicht mächtig ist. Dabei spielt es keine Rolle ob der Text leise oder laut gelesen oder ob er einem vorgelesen wird." ( 'Kelch der Wahrheit'; Seite 3) That we unofficially translated as saying: 'AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO THE READER OF THIS WRITING An Evolution-CODE is weaved[put inside, in the inner Structure of the Texts; inserted: eingewoben]into all German-Language Spirit Teaching's Texts of[from; by] Billy . This Code is only then completely/exhaustively/integrally/fully/entirely/wholly/altogether/utterly effective/vigorous/efficacious/effectual, if from[the] Beginning to[the] End of the Text each Word stands [lays; is] at its correct/right/proper Place and is Error-free[correctly; without Mistakes] written. The Code releases Impulses from the(Realm, the Range of the) Memory Bank, which[Impulses] hit/strike/touch/come on the Reader and begin - according to Evolution; in a Way that follows Evolution; in a manner which is favorable/propitious to Evolution: 'evolutively' - to work/to be active/to be laborious/to be effective/to be industrious in him. This procedure/Event/Occurrence/Action/ is unconscious and has nothing to do with (a) Compulsion/Coercion/Constraint/Obligation or with Manipulation, but only [but rather; merely] with the Knowledge, which is[steadily/firmly] held in the Memory Banks for all Times and which, during/by the Release/Loosening through the appropriate/corresponding/fitting/suitable/right Impulses, begins again very slowly to penetrate/enter into the Consciousness. This Action/Effect/Working/Activity/Operation/Working-out enters/sets in/steps in also if someone, who does not master the German Language, reads the german Text. It thereby does not play any Role, whether the Text is read quietly or loudly or whether it is read out to one[a given Person].' ('Kelch der Wahrheit'; Page 3) I sent a Message to Herr Christian Frehner, requesting him to see, whether Herr Meier could insert a CODE in our Pamphlet or in any other Document we would use to combat Overpopulation. This CODE would then trigger a deeper Realization of the Problem of Overpopulation and of the Necessity of its speedy and rational Resolution by the Readers of our Material. We would then add the Original German Text to all our Translations - the Way we shall always do. (http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/5/1511.html?1228760816) Salome, Adam. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 468 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings to All in Peace. If Everyone TRULY wants to understand = *the SOURCE of the Overpopulation, *the SOURCE of our limited Life-Spans (~100 Yr), *the SOURCE of our barbaric nature... Then I Highly recommend for ALL to fully read Contact-Report 251. DownLoad it, Print it out, Study it, Share it with close Family and Receptive Friends. THEN, Let's us ALL come together with some constructive Ideas. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 We on Earth, Have a LONG HARD ROAD ahead of us to solve many Problems. If I recall correctly = The Long Road ahead Begins with ONE STEP. (The Journey of a Thousand Miles starts with one Step). Member Phenix has proposed One Step worthy of a concerted effort. Please review again his First Proposal, which clearly states that this Action Plan should preclude FIGU from overt association. The Mission of FIGU would NOT be referenced in any Global Campaign. Overpopulation IS the the greatest Threat to Humanity on Earth. The Road into the Future has a 'Fork' ahead. We don't want Wars, Disease, Starvation &c to be the solution for this Threat. This is one possible Road. Global Social Actions are the Humane Solutions we want here. This Road is the better Choice. We need MORE Ideas here, MORE participation here to raise Global Awareness. There is the need to put up Signs to the best Road. Perhaps, after gaining the Knowledge from Contact 251, more will join us here, also to take the First Step, help put up some Signs. Everyone, Please do your 'Homework' In Peace *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 540 Registered: 07-2004 |
Not to bum anyone out, but the numbers are pretty lopsided. Let's see, nearly 1000 registered users and 7 billion unregistered oblivious-to-us others, we're almost there! Kidding aside, reality has a BIG say in this over-population challenge. We can do WAY more in our own circles/communities/whatevers learning the spiritual teachings and being exemplary figures for the young ones that surround us. Noble is fine, actual goes farther. I will not stand in your way... wagons Ho! I say.... I'll jump on the bandwagon if you get it rolling. For myself(here comes the selfish Shawn) I see the writing on the wall, your ideas will come into play AFTER something terrible happens(sudden decline in population and good time to implement), or, we stop warring completely and realize the real battle, too many people. These are not predictions! These are prophecies!  I admire passion in anyone(of the good kind), and if you feel passionate enough, your sales presentation will get me buying. We should learn word for word what Billy has already put out in his pamphlets. This mastery, of this challenge, with the proper abilities in speaking out(delicate to say the least), is a decent starting point. Big bites require big teeth for chewing. I still need to go to the dentist. We don't let Billy down(not that anyone could, really) by mastering certain areas he has laid out and answering any tough questions that will be thrown at any attempt to upset the apple cart you intend to upset. It needs upsetting by all means, so you are helping, and thus again, you have my best intentions for any progress you create. Build it and they will come(from a movie, but sounds cool!)! Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 07-2008 |
Sehr geehrter Herr Moderator des Tages, The following is intented to clarify a Couple of crucial Points regarding Overpopulation. And my Stance in this Question. Vielen Dank. Kameraden, I took the Liberty to reproduce some Parts of the Document 'Eine Voraussage'( 'A Prediction') des Herrn Meier, from July 20th, 2008, as translated and made available by Gaiaguysnet( Post 778; Sunday 12 Oktober 2008: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=12&page=9359) I hope hereby to make the Case for the Seriousness of Overpopulation and for the Need to urgently tackle this Question. All together, massively and for good. The Gaiaguysnet: "Dear All, Below are the new 2008 Meier Predictions translated from Special Bulletin #45, October 2008. They are a chilling update of his 1951, 1958 and 1964 prophesies*, which – due to Earth humans’ collective suicidal stupidity - have now become grim predictions set in stone. They deal this time more specifically with our self-generated climatic catastrophe and environmental destruction, and I reiterate, these are not prophesies, but predictions, so this is now our own forged fate. As Billy now writes, “The time of transition has expired, in which the monster - which was predicted for the future of the entire terrestrial humanity, and for the Earth and its nature - would still have been stoppable.” Some Natural Laws are easier to understand than others. One of the most obvious is: if we are going to breed like flies, we are going to die like flies. Salome, Dyson (& Vivienne) *See gaiaguys’ archived Meier webpage @ www.futureofmankind.co.uk " The Words of Herr Meier: "Alle ihr Menschen der Erde, ihr seid verantwortlich für euer Wohl und Wehe, für das Klima eurer Erde, für euren Planeten, und also seid ihr verantwortlich für euer eigenes Leben sowie für das aller Kreaturen, für Fauna und Flora, für die ganze Natur und alles, was da wächst, kreucht und fleucht." All you humans of the Earth, you are responsible for your wellbeing and woes, for your Earth’s climate, for your planet, and therefore you are responsible for your own life as well as for that of all creatures, for fauna and flora, for all of nature and everything which grows, creeps and flies "Ihr seid sowohl als einzelne für alles verantwortlich wie auch als gesamte Masse Menschheit; verantwortlich für alles, was ihr an Gedanken und Gefühlen auch immer hervorbringt und was ihr durch euer Handeln bewirkt." You are responsible as individuals, just as you are responsible as the entire mass of humanity, for everything; responsible also for all that you ever bring forth in the form of thoughts and feelings and what you affect through your actions. "Und der hauptsächliche Grund für all die Übel, die über euch Menschen rollen, wie Verbrechen, Seuchen, Kriege, Hunger, Unmenschlichkeit und Klimazerstörung usw., liegt in der gewaltigen Zahl der Überbevölkerung, die ihr nicht durch rigorose Geburtenstoppmassnahmen eindämmt, sondern sie weiter verantwortungslos heranzüchtet." And the primary reason for all the evil which rolls over you humans - such as criminality, epidemics, wars, hunger, inhumanity, and climatic destruction, and so forth - lies in the enormous overpopulation which you do not check through rigorous birth control measures, rather you further irresponsibly raise it. "Und diese Masse der Übervölkerung ist an allen in Erscheinung tretenden Übeln und Katastrophen aller Art schuld, wobei sich in Relation zur steigenden Masse Menschheit auch alle Übel, Unbill, Umwälzungen und alles Unheil unaufhaltsam steigern." And this mass of overpopulation is to blame for all emerging evils and catastrophes of all kinds, whereby also all evils, injustice, upheavals and all harm increases incessantly in relation to the increasing mass of humanity. "So bringt die Zukunft für euch Menschen der Erde noch viele weitere Widerwärtigkeiten, Schicksalsschläge sowie Elend, Not, Nachteile, Erschütterungen und Verhängnisse, die sich in mancherlei und ungeheure Katastrophen ausweiten, denn fortan schlägt die Natur des Planeten mit noch grösserer Wucht auf euren Wahnsinn der Überbevölkerung und die damit verbundene Zerstörung des Klimas, der Natur und vielerlei Lebens zurück, als sie das bisher getan hat." So, for you Earth humans, the future brings yet many further disagreeable circumstances, strokes of fate as well as misery, need, disadvantage, shocks and disasters which spread out in various things and monstrous catastrophes, because from now on, this planet’s nature strikes back with still greater rage than it ever has before at the insanity of your overpopulation and the connected destruction of the climate, of nature and many kinds of lives. "Doch die Berechnung gilt nur für die nächsten Jahre, denn durch die unaufhaltsame und verbrecherisch zu nennende Zunahme der Überbevölkerung steigert sich die Zahl weiterhin, so in nur 45–50 weiteren Jahren die Erde, alle Länder und die Menschheit mit 200 Millionen Umweltflüchtlingen konfrontiert sein werden." Yet the calculation applies only for the next few years because through the incessant population increase, which must be called criminal, the number further climbs so that in only 45 to 50 more years the Earth, all countries and humanity, will be confronted with 200 million environmental refugees. "Die Auswirkungen der Umweltverschmutzung nehmen in Relation zum Wahnsinn der steigenden Überbevölkerung Formen an, die stetig schlimmer und verheerender sowie katastrophaler werden." In relation to the insanity of the climbing overpopulation, the effects of environmental pollution take on forms which become constantly worse and more devastating as well as more catastrophic. "Überbevölkerung: Ein Begriff, der von allen Dummen und Dämlichen unter euch Menschen der Erde nicht wahrgehabt werden will in bezug darauf, dass die Welt von Menschen überlaufen ist und diese von ihr nicht mehr ernährt und nicht mehr getragen werden können." Overpopulation: a term which all those stupid and idiotic ones among you Earth humans do not want to admit as being valid in regard to the world being overrun by humans and how they can no longer be nourished and borne by it. "Doch wird wahrlich eure Freiheit nicht beschnitten, wenn an euren Verstand und an eure Vernunft appelliert wird, damit ihr nur noch Nachkommen in einem Masse zeugt, dass die Überbevölkerung reduziert und damit das Leben im ganzen Umfeld der Erde erhalten wird, was durch die Masse Überbevölkerung nicht möglich ist, weil durch diese langsam aber sicher alles Leben, die Natur und das Klima rettungslos zerstört werden." Yet your freedom will truly not be restricted if your intelligence and reason is appealed to so that you only still produce descendents in an amount such that the overpopulation is reduced and thereby life is preserved in all the environs of the Earth, which is not possible due to the mass of overpopulation because through this, slowly but surely, all life, nature and the climate will be irretrievably destroyed. "Wie dumm und dämlich müsst ihr als jene unter euch Menschen der Erde sein, die ihr bar jeden Verstandes und bar jeder Vernunft die Wahrheit nicht erkennt und weiterhin vor euch hinwurstelt in eurer kaninchenhaften Heranzüchtung eurer Nachkommen!" How stupid and dimwitted those among you Earth humans would have to be who, bar any intelligence and bar any reason, do not recognise the truth and continue to carry on in the same way with your rabbit-like breeding up of your descendents! "Dazu ist es aber notwendig, dass ihr, Menschen der Erde, als einzelne und als Völker, als Verantwortliche der Regierungen, Behörden, Wissenschaften und Militärs sowie aller anderweitig für die Welt, deren Sicherheit und das Leben Zuständigen euch stark bemüht, alle durch eure unvernünftig herangezüchtete Überbevölkerung entstandenen Übel und Katastrophen zu bekämpfen, zu stoppen und einen positiven Weg zu gehen." To that end, however, it is necessary that you, humans of the Earth - as individuals and as peoples, as responsible ones of the governments, authorities, sciences and military, as well as all others who are responsible for the world, its security and for life - make a strong effort to fight, and to stop, all evils and catastrophes which have emerged as a result of your irrationally breeding-up overpopulation, and go in a positive direction. "Durch eure Überbevölkerung habt ihr die Auenwälder, Auenebenen, Berghänge, See-, Fluss- und Meeresufer zu Wohngeländen umfunktioniert." Through your overpopulation you have converted the riverside forests, meadow plains, mountain sides and the shores of lakes, rivers and oceans into land for housing. "Und an allem ist nur eure Überbevölkerung schuld, denn durch sie und ihre ungeheuer negativen Auswüchse werden alle Übel und alle Naturkatastrophen, wie aber auch alle menschlichen Katastrophen jeder Art hervorgerufen." And alone your overpopulation is to blame for everything because, through it and through its monstrous, negative outgrowths, all evil and all natural catastrophes, as well as all human catastrophes of every kind, are evoked. "Die unnatürliche Klimaveränderung, weitere Kriege, Verbrechen, Krankheiten, Seuchen und der ganze weltumfassende Terrorismus und fanatische Religionswahn usw. sind bösartige Folgen der Überbevölkerung." The unnatural climate change, further wars, crimes, illnesses, epidemics and all the worldwide terrorism and fanatical religious delusion, and so forth, are malignant consequences of overpopulation. Kameraden, We are responsible. If these Statements of Herr Meier do not make it clear enough that Overpopulation is a serious Threat to the Survival of Mankind and of our Planet, then i frankly can not imagine what could! These are the closing Words of Herr Meier: "Ihr alle, Menschen der Erde, die ihr euch diesen Worten der Wahrheit zugetan fühlt, ihr habt die gute Möglichkeit – wie sie euch schon 1951, 1958 und 1964 genannt wurde –, eure Macht in Verantwortung zu nutzen und die Erde und die ganze Menschheit vor all dem zu bewahren, was euch auch jetzt mit neuen Worten offenbart ist." All you, humans of the Earth, who feel addressed by these words of truth, you have a good opportunity – as was already given to you in 1951, 1958 and 1964 – to responsibly use your power and to preserve the Earth and all of humanity from all that which is also now revealed to you with new words. "Zögert nicht, sondern handelt, und zwar schnell, denn die Zeit drängt." Do not delay, rather act, and indeed quickly, because time is pressing. "Handelt umgehend, um noch Schlimmeres zu verhindern, als es schon geschehen ist und gegenwärtig geschieht." Act immediately, in order to prevent even worse things than those which have already occurred and which currently occur. "Handelt ohne zu zögern, denn sonst seid ihr ebenso verantwortlich dafür, wenn die Zukunft noch sehr viel Schlimmeres für die Erde und eure Menschheit bringt, als durch eure Schuld bereits heraufbeschworen und Wirklichkeit wurde." Act without delaying because otherwise you will be just as responsible for when the future brings still very much worse things for the Earth and your humanity than have already been evoked and become reality through your fault. Semjase-Silver-Star-Center, 20. Juli 2008, 19.14 Uhr Semjase-Silver-Star-Center, July 20th, 2008, 7:14PM Billy. Kameraden, We all bear Responsibility in this Situation. These Words are enough for me; i heard the Call and i do and i will keep on doing my best to respond to it. I shall take my own Responsibility and act. Salome, Adam. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 471 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greeting All Comrades, Acting on my own responsibility here, I am going to give notice to the Obama Transition Team in respect to an Acute Concern for the Global Overpopulation. One Voice in the Wilderness, as it were. One such Unilateral effort may not raise Awareness to an actionable level. Member Phenix has provided some Good Links in his Post #162. I shall also forward my concerns to a number of those Persons & Organizations listed. Who will Join us? More Voices together will carry further. To do nothing, is to deny Truth. If we don't speak to the Truth as we know it, Who else will? In Peace *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 472 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** The Link for Citizen Feedback / Input to the Obama Transition Team is: http://change.gov/page/s/yourstory *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 07-2008 |
Herzlich welcome on Board, Herr J_rod7, lieber Bruder im Geist! I knew one can count on you. Information. Herr Hans, Moderator by the Section 'Overpopulation' at the German Forum, reacted to this Initiative, saying they will be following our concrete Steps.(http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/5/1511.html?1228848693) I shall take a Step further: I have decided to not have a Child for at least seven Years. Salome, Adam. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 369 Registered: 03-2007 |
Respectfully, Adam, I think that document you cite above, FIGU Special Bulletin #45, needs to be analyzed in a much more wholistic fashion than that which you are choosing to react to. Let us start by noticing from the beginning that it is a prediction and not a prophecy. Billy is saying in that document, that the warnings he gave back in 1951, 1958 and 1964 as prophesies involving the natural catastrophes that would kill millions, are no longer preventable, and thus are now fate accompli. They could have been prevented if the issue of overpopulation had been properly addressed at the time, but that window of opportunity has passed. “The time of transition has expired, in which the monster - which was predicted for the future of the entire terrestrial humanity, and for the Earth and its nature - would still have been stoppable.” Here are some additional passages: “No decisive countermeasures can change everything for the better anymore, rather everything can only be palliated over a long time.” “A change for the better and for the best namely requires a very long time which must be calculated in centuries.” Again Adam, another reason for my tortoise analogy. These problems are not easily fixable and will require centuries to implement. It will take many, many generations of conscientious awareness before efforts will have a sustaining effect. Any efforts via population control to prevent the natural catastrophes that are already imminent would have to have been implemented years ago to have their preventative impact. Billy’s tone of urgency has more to do with beginning the education process for generations to come - to lay the foundation. But a paradigm shift still needs to occur first in overall human consciousness, before they are ready to accept the truth and the message will be heard. “Stupid and idiotic ones with academic titles, popular scientists, newspaper men and know-it-alls of all kind do not want to admit to the truth and even claim that the entire economy, and life with it, will collapse if fewer humans are born and humanity is reduced by means of a rigorous and rationally-steered birth stoppage.” “But also many among you; you Earth humans; you who are simple citizens without academic title, and so forth, and who are in support of the further breeding up of Earth humanity; you are also no better and delude yourselves that a federally regulated birth stoppage will restrict you in your freedom.” Billy points out too in that article that many of the problems are simply bad choices that are indirectly associated with overpopulation. The problem is not overpopulation alone: “The atmosphere is poisoned with CO2 from exhaust fumes, principally as a result of too many cars which are used by all those who do not use any public transport for travel, commuting and shopping, as well as for nonsensical pleasure trips, or who could easily go on foot.” “Still to mention are all the heaters and the industrial facilities which are powered with fossil fuels and, hourly - in spite of filters, which are inadequate - hurl tonnes of filth, dust particles and poisonous substances of all kind into the air.” Billy also cites the mismanagement of urban development: “Through your overpopulation you have converted the riverside forests, meadow plains, mountain sides and the shores of lakes, rivers and oceans into land for housing.” “…much fertile ground and farming land, and meadows and fields, are being concreted over and thereby nature is destroyed as is especially the case in the mountains as a result of hotels, holiday facilities, cable cars, ski slopes as well as military practice firing ranges; all that, along with the irresponsible building over of mountainsides as well as sea shores and river banks for human habitation and recuperation centres, and so forth.” “That also demands many human lives, especially in those areas where dwellings are built irrationally close to the volcanoes.” I mention the above because it is important not to fall into reductionist thinking for all our problem solving. Alternative fuels as well as proper land management, sound judgment, the end of greediness, etc., can and should be a part of mitigating much of the damage that Billy mentions above that is only indirectly caused by overpopulation. Billy articulates the cause and effect more comprehensively elsewhere in the document: “Through your fault, through your overpopulation, through your megalomania, through your irrationality and tyranny you provoke all the powers of nature, which, together with the Earth, rebel and defend themselves against your degenerated machinations.” Regards Bob |
