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    Badr Moderator Post Number: 440 Registered: 12-2004 |
Pathfinder, The way you put the question was inappropriate let me quote you "What the heck are you guys doing at that compound besides gardening and writing books? " To me that is an insult on the core group's hard work, in case you didnt think of it, without them we wouldnt probably be here, the forum wouldnt even exist, and so much more. If you translate and read the bulletins you would have a better idea, but if you want it the easiest way, go to the SSSC and see for yourself... If you would have politely asked us what is it that they do there, and what are their actions. I at least would have taken the time to answer. But my suggestion is find out yourself, and dont take someones word for it. PS: Your comment to Gaia was not nice, and if you continue this humor or whatever you want to call it, your posts will be rejected. Salome, Badr | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 483 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Peace to All. Hi Randy, I Did find Contact Report 229 at FutureOfMankind.co.uk. [ "But it will be too late for fear, for an enormous destruction will rage, and the earth will be covered far and wide with desert. And there will also be mighty waters that become deeper and deeper, and at certain times and days, the waters will flow violently to such an extent that, like a deluge, everything will be swept away, destroyed and annihilated, and the lives of innumerable human beings will be claimed. Through the human beings' destructive rage, the air and sun will become poisonous and dangerous, and for this reason the bodies of the weak will be burned. When the millennium in which the new time prophet dies draws to an end, and when 800 years pass after his death, human beings will have come so far to open their eyes and ears that they will be capable of seeing and hearing. But this will be, because the power of the prophet's word will begin to take effect over centuries, and will permeate the feelings and thoughts as well as the reason of human beings. It will be a very arduous work that the prophet and his loyal supporters will have to accomplish, however, their dedicated efforts will not fail to be successful." ] (emphasis added /Jrod) By the Highlighted statement from this Prophecy, It would seem that Our Efforts WILL BEAR FRUIT. What is Begun here by Billy's loyal supporters to the Overpopulation Problem will not fail to be successful. Soldier Forward, Our Voices WILL be heard, Billy's message WILL go into all the World. http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_229 "The Demystification of the Mayan" is ALSO listed as Contact 229 at TheyFly. So now, HOW do we end up with TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS of 229.? http://www.theyfly.com/Demystifying_the_Mayan.html Reading This Version, there is no reference to the Mayan Calendar. Has some of the Report been removed.? I don't know that what Quetzal says is relevant to the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE found within the links given in my Post #481. Have You actually READ anything presented in those links? Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 484 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Shawn, As You have asked: [ "And when will any of that info be reported over a broader spectrum of scientists?" ] The answer to this Not being reported, except for little 'tid-bits' here and there, is specifically because the ELITE do Not want anyone to know about their 'Escape Plans.' My apologies for disturbing Your 'Peace-of-Mind' with this. To be fore-warned (the same as with Billy's Prophecies and Predictions) is to be prepared when we see these things come to pass. Whether or not we actually pass through the Galactic Plane (we ARE), and the results occur as stated (some ARE), this is still some knowledge to ponder. Of interest in this are certain other documented facts. The entire Solar System IS receiving a greater amount of very High Photonic Energy from the direction of the Galactic Core. ALL the planets in the System are showing EFFECTS from this increased Energy. As the Sun is also receiving much increase INPUT of Energy, the Nuclear Fusion Reactions will also increase in the Core of our Sun. Coronal-Mass-Ejections HAVE brushed Earth in the past (and the Moon, also documented and with-held from public News) . The following are PREDICTIONS of the Prophet Jeremia, as told to Billy by Quetzal...: [ "But it will be too late for fear, for an enormous destruction will rage, and the earth will be covered far and wide with desert. And there will also be mighty waters that become deeper and deeper, and at certain times and days, the waters will flow violently to such an extent that, like a deluge, everything will be swept away, destroyed and annihilated, and the lives of innumerable human beings will be claimed. Through the human beings' destructive rage, the air and sun will become poisonous and dangerous, and for this reason the bodies of the weak will be burned." ] -in the Link...: http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_229 Which Link I will also place over at Project Avalon. Thank You for the reference which spawned this Idea. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Michael Horn, "The Demystification of the Mayan" is ALSO listed as Contact 229 at TheyFly. So now, HOW do we end up with TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS of 229.? The other VERSION of Contact 229 is at: http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_229 A mistake in the numbering sequence? Could you explain HOW there are TWO versions of C-229? Thank You Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 705 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi J_rod7, Without checking into it further now, the first thought that comes to my mind is that they are both contained within the same contact. Since we don't see any sentence numbers in the one at James' site, I can't say for sure. But you'll notice that the one on my site starts with No. 1 and the one on his site appears to pick up from another point. Michael Horn | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; I have little left to say to you concerning this matter, but the following: Asking questions is not what I have chastised you about. Ask away. Asking questions, receiving answers, and then being wholly displeased and argumentative when the answers aren't to your liking is another matter. You don't appear to be reading my posts thoroughly enough, nor do you appear to know very much about the whole philosophy of a silent revolution of truth. Also, there's a difference between asking and demanding. The passage of time will prove beyond a doubt who among us will have done the most with regard to these matters. Also, right now I do not have any children of my own, nor do I intend to have any for some time -- simply put, there are far more important things I must do right now. That you insinuate that I am sitting about, giving up, or forsaking hope in the face of prophecy (which I am fully aware is different than prediction) -- rather than answering the simple question I posed to you about your behaviour with your own children and family is more telling than you likely realize. So what have you done to share your knowledge and concern about these matters with your family and children? Peace, - Gaia | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 07-2008 |
Geehrter Herr moderator, liebe kameraden, all warriors of truth, Here is some update. My sister, i have called to for help, wrote the following today - i removed personal, not related to the issue, parts of her short E-mail: "Bonjour cher petit frère, J' espère que tout va bien pour toi et pour tous ceux qui te sont chers et que vous avez bien passé la fête de tabaski. Ici tout va bien dans l'ensemble par la grâce d'Allah. J'ai reçu ton sms mais je n'ai pas eu le temps de te répondre. J 'encadre des femmes pour un défilé que le Niger organise à l'occasion des festivités marquant le 50ème anniversaire de la proclamation de la République du Niger. Par rapport à la campagne de sensibilisation dont tu me parlais tantôt , je pense que je suis prête à vous apporter tout mon soutien; d'ailleurs l' espacement des naissances est une intégrante de mes activités à l'endroit des femmes pour le bien être de la famille. J 'attendrai seulement des compléments d'information de ta part pour connaître davantage ce que vous attendez de moi. J' ai profité d'un stage de perfectionnement en informatique que notre ministère a organisé à l'intention de ses cadres et des femmes des groupements féminins pour te rédiger ce paragraphe. Bonne chance dans toutes tes entreprises et salut à tous. Ta soeur." Translated into english: "Hello dear little brother, I hope that all goes well for you and for all those dear to you and that you enjoyed well the festival of tabaski. [NOTE: 'Tabaski' or ''Aid Al Kabir' is a major moslim annual festival.] Everything is well here, by the grace of Allah. I received your sms but i did not have time to answer. I was busy organizing women for a procession which Niger throws on the occasion of the festivities marking the 50th anniversary of the proclamation of the Republic of Niger. Regarding the public awareness campaign about which you spoke to me recently, i think that I am ready to give you all my support; besides, the spacing of births for the well-being of families is a major part of my activities with women. I shall only wait for complementary information from you, in order to know more of what you expect from me. I took advantage of the advanced training course in data processing, which our ministry has organized for its workers and women organizations, to write you this paragraph. Good luck in all your endeavors and regards to all. Your sister." The motion is set - heed to Creation, indeed! Salome, Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi FIGU, It appears as though I am dangerously close to being barred from this board for responding to you guys the same way that you respond to me. Some of you can continue to say things to people without chastisement, and others are regularly criticized. there is much bias taking place here that is obvious. There is also a way to provoke responses by deliberate methods of questioning which I have been able to utilize very efficiently to get the results that I have been seeking here. i have been easily able to separate the 'troublemakers and arguers' from those who are actually trying to learn something here. I know which moderators are friendly to which members and know what to expect from most of the people here. So my method of questioning has served my purpose. For instance, it does not take a genius to understand how a person must elevate themselves in their mind when they presume to chastise someone. I do not need you to chastise me Gaia, or anyone else with regard to how to ask questions, or when. If you want people to speak nicely to you offer the same in return. You speak down to people as though you are a parent teaching its child manners. if you could see yourself the way that we see you, you would realize the folly of your approach. The same can be said of others here. Why do you guys have to speak to us as though we are your students? Many of you here do this same thing. With regard to passage of time, that is exactly what I have been trying to get FIGU to respond to. I have asked reasonable questions that have been refused and even rebuked. I will continue to study these teachings because I recognize their merit, but I am left wanting for information regarding FIGU and its intentions because they take offense to being asked. Therefore I cannot continue any further with this path of information gathering without becoming banned by BADR. I do apologize for the prodding method of questioning my friends, but it has accomplished its goal and I am now aware of who I can deal with, and how to deal with them. I am also aware that something is amiss here, and I am not sure what it is. There seems to be some problem at FIGU that they are trying to overcome, and of course that is none of my business, and it could be any number of things that need their attention. And they certainly do not need me to be insistent about getting information. So to that end, I will leave FIGU to their business, and assume, because that is the only avenue they leave for me, that something has gone awry in their organization and until they have managed the problem I will not be important there. I hope that FIGU can overcome their issues and become an effective force of passing on the knowledge of BEAM to the world. I support their goal, however I cannot find out what their further intentions are with regard to continuing that goal. I hope they can devise some continuing methods that will effectively reach a large population as there are many means to do that in this world today. I hope that they will have some intellects in their ranks that can use ingenuity and discretion to attain these goals. I will follow quietly and be aware. Peace to you Gaia. no hard feelings! Hang on to the Passion Adam! But apply it with tactical genius and wisdom so it can achieve. If the generals in our army cannot design a sound battleplan, life in the battlefield will become a difficult 'passage of time' for us in the lower ranks. hense, A PASSAGE OF TIME! Let's evolve slowly instead of quickly seems to be the present goal. FIGU should notice that I am practicing what they themselves are teaching below, and some of them should also do the same; from the Basic Rules of Man: Each human being must have the feeling and certainty that he can communicate and explain to the fellow-human beings that which is important to him, and in return understanding is given to him. WHERE IS THE CONFIDENCE OF FIGU IN REACHING OUT WITH THEIR MESSAGE? Each human being must have the feeling and certainty that his fellow-human beings do understand what depresses and burdens him, and that he may expect useful advice or some other help. WHERE IS FIGU'S HOPE FOR HUMANITY? Each human being shall endeavour to communicate with his fellow-human beings in order to express his own attitude and to represent his own opinion or "learning interests". Each human being shall determine goals in his life that he shall strive for and attain with forethought, attention, interest, motivation and self-confidence. I WOULD LIKE TO SET GOALS, WHERE IS THE ENDEAVOUR OF FIGU? This is not criticism, it is a simple line of questioning that deserves answers from those who place themselves in a position to teach and pass on a message. This is a great responsibility that you have taken upon yourselves: from the Plejarens Wishlist for humanity: Paragraph 14 speaks to the urgency of tackiling that responsibility. it says nothing of a long passage of time. And paragrpah 17 clearly calls on the few to emerge from their hidden solitude to instruct the people. FIGU, it is my understanding from your own teachings above that you are obliged to find the confidence to emerge from your solitude and bring the truth to the people of this planet. It is what Billy came here for, and what he now requires of you. Sincerely following, Pathfinder "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 10-2008 |
I am proud to know you Adam, and hope that your efforts are rewarding. Strive forward my friend for it is people like you who will create the opportunities for things to happen and change. I watch for the right person at the right time in the right place with the right tools. Someday the crop duster will come along that can end this infestation. We need to find ways to open those doors. i am with you on this ! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 706 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi PAthfinder, I've only glanced briefly at your previous posts along this line but I feel that I have to respond now to this one. In reading it I find that you are being both presumptuous and obtuse, among other things. You are not a Passive Member and therefore have not attended any of the yearly meetings in Switzerland, where virtually every detail of FIGU's work is openly presented and discussed. This includes updates on financial accountability, translations, work in various countries, charitable work, as well as individual presentations by FIGU members on a wide variety of related subjects. And, before continuing, I'll also point out that this forum is a FIGU-initiated and monitored one. FIGU is a voluntary, non-profit organization made up of ordinary people. The Core Group members are drawn from a number of areas, and countries, and have to make time for their work with FIGU, as they have their own jobs, families, obligations, challenges, etc. Many of the Passive Members come from all over the world. You criticize FIGU for not "reaching out with their message", which means that you are completely lacking in understanding and awareness, both of how they do offer the work and of the challenges of trying to bring the material to greater awareness in an appropriate way. Rural Switzerland is not exactly the media mecca of the world. I happen to live in a place that is, L.A. In my own voluntary work I have succeeded in getting on dozens and dozens of radio and TV shows, done numerous lectures in the last 20 years, have videos, DVDs, CDs, articles, etc. floating around everywhere. But what you are criticizing FIGU for is additionally irresponsible because you don't have even this kind of experience and you apparently haven't really understood that the Meier case, and all that it entails, is the most suppressed (as well as important) story in all of human history. There is a TV show that originates from L.A. called Larry King Live, on CNN. Not only did I send my film on the Meier case to them, I personally also put it in Mr. King's hands. And while he uses some of Meier's footage when he does his shows on UFOs, he won't touch the story itself. How do I know? Well, based on the phone call I received from his producer asking me to tell people to NOT keep requesting that I appear on the show about the Meier case, it's pretty clear. At this point I seem to be the most requested guest regarding UFOs...that they won't have on. Why? In my opinion, because it leads too far. It would actually cause people to think, to question, to be insecure and not just entertained with the dead-end, "Gee, could there be extraterrestrials? We'll be right back after this commercial announcement." Another example of just how pathetic the skills of many so-called journalists are, this is the text of an email that arrived this morning from a writer, who shall remain anonymous, in response to my request that he cover the Meier case: "hi michael -- thanks for the note. i was introduced to meier's story years ago via 'light years,' which i thought was a fascinating book. i'm fully aware of the controversy that continues, but to be honest i haven't had any conversations with anyone recently about meier. it's a complicated story, obviously, probably too complicated to address in a little blog. i'm not sure how i personally feel about it. i can see the pros and the cons, but i don't feel confident stating an opinion one way or the other. regards, bc" And with all the energy that's gone into putting this information out, the truth of the matter is that people are lazy, have short attention spans and continue to demonstrate exactly why this will take 800 years. It's not because of a major FIGU failure on any level that I can see. The problem in your position, as I see it, is that you are full of criticism and quickly cobbled together advice but completely devoid of experience and understanding in this matter. You project a certain kind of euphoric lack of realism and appreciation for the actual work at hand. I suggest that you don't attempt to speak for either FIGU or Billy, or chastise them regarding things about which you are, demonstrably, completely ignorant. You do have the opportunity to study, learn, question, share and communicate but it's best to have taken all the small steps and learned what it is you are actually speaking about. I have been to Switzerland 10 times in the past 9 years and have attended the meetings each year and even made presentations there. I have seen first hand, in each of my brief visits, just how devoted the people are, how they work with each other, struggle with and through the challenges of cooperative, communal living and working (though most don't live together). And though I represent the information in the English speaking world, I don't attempt to define how FIGU should conduct itself, I am busy enough working with the teaching and principles in my daily life and attempting to get it out. I suggest that you exemplify one of the core teachings and teach by example. Find out how to effectively, appropriately, bring the work to the world within your own sphere of influence, as per the communication with your sister. Become a Passive Member, go to Switzerland for the meetings, sign up to make presentations, etc. In common language, put your money where your mouth is. Speaking of which, since at least one person has protested that they couldn't afford a plane ticket, etc. to do all that, I have been self-employed my whole life and I've simply trusted that if I prioritize what's most important to me, I will find a way to accomplish it. Also, because this is the internet and we are all familiar with problems in the perceived "tone" of our writing, please note that the above is written and intended to clearly address what I perceive to be your faulty perspective, etc.; there is no bias, chastisement, insult, etc. intended, just appropriate criticism. Michael Horn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 07-2008 |
Noble brother Pathfinder, Thanks for your support and your advice; both are certainly much needed. It doesn't have to be that way, brother. As you well know, and as you indeed comprehensively and quite often write about, all is connected. It is thanks to the work, the tremendous work, done by our kameraden at the Mother Center, by FIGU, that such an initiative like ours became possible. Just to give a simple, direct example. I tell you, Pathfinder, before coming across a Contact Report referring to this matter at 'Futureofmankind', last september, i had no idea of overpopulation, not to mention its treat to our survival itself. We need now - maybe even more than never before - to strengthen our ranks, to unit and put our efforts together. All people of good will are needed. You are certainly one of them. Do not desert your position, help us move forward, please; i personally need you by my side - the way you are. Salome, Adam. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2007 |
Pathfinder, it's not really bias, and secondly the best way to obtain information gathering is to read, which can teach you modesty (Bescheidenheit), I suggest that you sit back and let everything run it's course. The way I see it your questions have all been answered in the writings, I am assuming it is a big honor for the OM and Kelch der Wahrheit to be translated into English for the western Hemisphere, if you can't read german in the meantime then don't blame that on FIGU. It takes more courage to practice forced forclessness/Gewaltsamen Gewaltlosigkeit then it takes to try and change the world without your own self in order, If you or Phenix have any questions regarding meditation I'm sure anyone of us could do our best to answer, but generating argumentative conditions to get questions answered is not always the best way, but I for one am glad FIGU and Billy are not out there missionizing on your behalfs, and truly hope they are enjoying some Beschauung, perhaps they were showing you love by being silent. Corey | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 487 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, Hear the words the Spirit whispers. Hear the words of Your Brothers and Sisters. You ARE a valued Human Being. To repeat - Learn HOW to Meditate, and Practice Meditation at least 20-Minutes every day. The reason for this will dawn in Your Mind, after doing this one simple process in a short while (some find it sooner, some later). Bon Chance et Bon Nuit *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, So now you will fall silent? How about a correction instead. So now your going to WAIT? That doesn't sound very productive. Things will change when we make the changes. Waiting for a 'crop duster to open the doors'(I shortened your version) sounds like your on the 'Messiah' watch now. Let your mind relax and in a very neutral/positive moment contemplate the information many have directed towards you for assistance in clearing up a focusing challenge you seem to be oblivious as of now. I'm jealous. No one cares that much about me! What am I , canned soup! You'll read these posts a few months from now, and if you use the advice many have offered you as you see applicable, you will be able to clearly see any growth that has happened since then. If not, yeah being silent might be OK, but that's the easy way out. WWBD!(What would Billy do!) OK this is only meant to be funny! But seriously, as an example, Billy has never taken the easy way as far as I can tell(well sometimes he beams aboard a Plejaren ship to avoid bad weather, but that's even not provable!). Corrections are the markers in our life when we have finally grasped a certain point understood in its correct form. We're only trying to help friend. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2008 |
To Michael, Sir, you are the one person I have noted in all of this who seems to be a great key to reaching out. It amazes me that FIGU is not taking advantage of what opportunities you could offer to this mission. it more than amazes me, it actually confirms my suspicions that something is afoot. I have great respect for you my friend and your endeavours for this mission. And I would personally have many questions for you, given your proximity to the information that I seek regarding the issues of the mission. But I will not be able to do that because it seems that you also have a problem with those who ask questions and seek answers with determination. So I will have to forego the opportunity to discuss with you in order to avoid further offending you and FIGU. I am not full of criticism, I am full of questions that come across as criticism when I insist on answers. Everyone that has criticized my attempts here to find answers has all evaded the questions I have asked, including yourself. Might I ask you how i can appropriately ask these questions without offending the populace? You are right Michael, I am nobody important, as I am often reminded by people here. But I have shown posts that refer to clips of the actual teachings here to support my reasons fro asking these questions, and those particular notations went completely ignored to instead simply tell me how offending I am. how do you suppose that sort of response comes across to those who are trying to discern the actual credibility of FIGU? they seem to not even acknowledge their own teaching when this happens. Furthermore I have quite often made a point of stating that my intentions are to follow these teachings myself and that I am only seeking answers to questions of FIGU intent on the continuation of this mission. That clarification also goes unnoticed as people dodge right by those statements to tell me how ignorant I am of the situation. OF COURSE I AM IGNORANT, NOBODY WANTS TO TELL ME ANYTHING. yes, I can read much information on the websites. And as one member said he wou;dnt have even known about the population problem had he not come here to discover it. WELL DOESN'T THAT MAKE MY CASE! What about the billions of people who will not come here? They are the ones we need to reach. Yes we can find information here, and yes there are books being written, but do you mean to tell me that with all of the intellect and ability and talent that we have access to here, that we cannot come up with plans to further engage the issues and take these truths to a greater audience. Surely if it is attempted, the meeting of minds would be able to devise some schemes to reach out with longer arms than simply selling a few books to people who have already gotten here. You know what I see when I first log on to your site? Someone selling books! That is an example of what I am talking about Michael. Should not the first thing a person sees when they log on to one of these sites be a blaring alert to religion and overpopulation? once into the links of these sites you can certainly find a goldmine of information, but that is not what visitors see at first. And this is the problem that I see with FIGU. they are too secluded in their efforts. maybe there is a security reason for that. if that is the case can they not devise ways to reach out without risking their security? Can they not be a little devious for the sake of the mission? I am certain that if there was a real effort that could be easily accomplished. so then what is the reason? Michael you are in the business. you have been to FIGU. You know the talent that might be there, and please do not tell me that you have not asked yourself these same questions. you have probably got ten things in your mind right now that could be ways of reaching a greater audience that would fall on deaf ears at FIGU. Something is amiss when all of these great intellects cannot come up with more devisive ways to bring out their message while such an urgent need is waiting to be met. a couple here suggest that it is a matter of time and waiting for things to evolve at their own pace. that is NOT what the Plejarens have taught us, but I am not going to tempt BADR's patience by adding to the length of this post with more references. you say they are acting there at FIGU on a daily basis to reach out. i believe you and do not disrespect that in any way. I am simply asking if there is any other method of deployment other than writing that they use or intend to use. i would like to know if FIGU is unwilling to go any further so I know what to expect. I would like to know if FIGU has the wherewithal to bring minds together to scheme for the benefit of the mission. I would like to know if there is some sort of covert intelligence that is deployed by FIGU to address our planet's peril.But then I guess if it were covert they wouldn't want me to know anyway would they. But they could at least acknowledge my concern. You are the last person that I would have expected criticism from after all the great work you have done for them in the field. Why are they not using your options in a more focused way? If I offend you and others by asking these questions than I will not seek that information here any further and will try other avenues. I mistakenly thought that I could gather that information easily here but I guess i was wrong. the only reason i continued to reply here after my last post was because I wanted to address you with regard and respect for all you have done. Thank you for your efforts. And I do not take any offense to your post here. I am confused, but not insulted. Sincerely Pathfinder "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 493 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** AH Shawn, here's some soup for ya... You Know we all love ya. *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 710 Registered: 10-2000 |
Pathfinder, I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that FIGU isn't taking advantage of my work, etc. Perhaps if you were specific it would be easier to respond to. I also don't know where you got the idea that I have a problem with people asking questions, etc., nor where I said that you were "unimportant". I do detect a little bit of a victim-tinged self-pitying going on for no clear reason. I do think that these things, at least until I am clearer about exactly what you mean, are only indicating that you are assuming and presuming things quite subjectively that don't seem to accord with the realities of the situation. Also, the home page of my site is literally choking with links to articles and information of all sorts. The books and other things are to be seen only on the side of that page, with the link to the Spiritual Teaching displayed quite large about halfway down. I notice that you have jumped to all sorts of conclusions, i.e. FIGU is "too secluded in their efforts", that they should be "a little devious", that I have "ten things" in my mind that they would be deaf to, and one misperception after another. This only convinces me that you truly don't understand the mission and all that it entails. Instead of being surprised or confused by the criticism, I suggest that you examine the conclusions you have come to, especially about FIGU, its methods and the people who comprise it, and note that you simply don't know the people, the true goals of the mission, the teaching on how it is and isn't to be conducted, etc. You are unintentionally demonstrating just why it's so difficult to reach people who have all sorts of preconceptions and beliefs. And in your admitted confusion you are also demonstrating why no one can or should have the information forced upon them. Simply put, you're missing the mark, widely, and would benefit by patiently studying (and questioning)...as others have suggested. Self-responsibility is one of the core principles, so I also suggest not worrying so much about FIGU and turning more of your attention to your own process of conscious awareness. Michael Horn | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there pathfinder, lets take a look at the topic heading, overpopulation. if it is possible for you to overlook this, then it is also possible to overlook the fact that many times moderators asked for us to be on topic, or to get back to the topic. now, if it is possible for you and others to disregard these reminders and signs, then it is also possible to disregard many other things in life. perhaps you are overlooking something. let me illustrate an example. when a flower that originates within a mountain range blossoms, it will eventually drop it's seeds, and perhaps some of those seeds will be carried by a wind, and pushed down to the town below, and perhaps flowers will bloom there, and their seeds will be carried by a wind that blows them across a river and into a meadow, where yet again the flowers will bloom. as the seasons change, and time goes on, one finds that the mountain flower is no longer growing only in the mountains, but near rivers, lakes, fields and cities. everything has it's seasons. so there are billions of people who dont know about billy and figu etc, there are also billions who starve from birth and spend a life time trying to put somekind of life together. most people are not ready for billy and figu. also, why worry about what people tell you here? sure, there are those who like to assume the role of teachers and make you out to be their student, because they speak or are learning german and have learned some things from billy's books. dont let that get to you. everyone has there own way of going about evolving and progressing. their knowledge is a result of their efforts. what makes people from the core group so special? you assume they are a bunch of great minds, why? beacause they are core group members and know billy personally? why dont you admit your own worth, your own value? why dont you be proud of yourself? a great person, a wise person, knows that there is always ample amounts of time, to spend on whatever one desires. and that's just it, it is the choice of the individual to make available time for anothers needs, desires, questions. a person who says they have no time for you, is someone who is not in the position to be imparting any wisdom to you in the first place. you are told to meditate 20 minutes atleast, per day. ignore that advice. ask a person why 20 minutes, and they will merely point you to the man they quote. meditate on every moment, every accomplishment, focus constantly, concentrate and learn. meditate continuously rather than often. some people offer there advice, and make observations of your behaviour. you are not perfect, understand it and dont be offended. my adivce to you (friendly advice  ) is that you should not attempt to be so buddy buddy with people here. as you may notice, some people have problems taking their own advice, and some seem to be here for egotistic posturing among other things. these are people you have not met or seen, in the end of the day, what is important is what you feel, what you understand. strip away the useless garbage and collect the sweet fruit. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 441 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thank you Peter, at last someone else that considers the organisation of the forum to keep the discussions with the topics intended. Mainly for future reference and newbies. So please get back to topic, you can always move the current discussion to another part of the forum. Salome, Badr | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 494 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Best Greetings My Brother Phenix. Your Sister is there doing very valuable work. The entire Continent of Africa - so much turmoil and bloodshed, starvation, disease, and war. ALL this could be ended by a reduction in the Overpopulation. This would be an excellent 'selling platform' for your Sister. Simply a reduction in the population would leave more resources, food, medicine, and opportunity for all. You may give your Sister my encouragement and best wishes. And to let her know there is support for her here in her work. And prayers for her Safety. Thank you for sharing her letter with us. Namaste Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 07-2008 |
Sehr geehrte Moderators, Thanks for your leadership and understanding. Now then. Kamerad Pathfinder, Thanks and welcome on board. You shall indeed not only follow; you have to actively, rationally, critically and with due diligence and reverence search for the Truth. I would like to ask you to refrain from judging categorically - specially when it is about matters you do not yet grasp the full extent of. Do mind your neutral-positivity and, if possible, focus more on your own contribution and spiritual growth. Everyone does their very best, FIGU in the very first place. Do you remember the metaphor of a child rising his arms to reach the moon? Well, replace the moon with the whole universe to have a beginning of a sketch of an idea of what FIGU really is or might be . And now that you are on this team, where, once again, you are heartfully welcome, i would join other kameraden and would ask you to bear in mind that the form, sometimes, is as important as the content: yes, keep on looking for answers within your own self, read, analyse the Works des Herrn Meier and, when necessary, do ask questions and ask them in such a way you would get an answer. Try to be more direct and candide with this forum, FIGU and Herr Meier. Allow me also to refer you to 'Desiderata' by Billy, (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Desiderata_%28Desirable_and_Vital_Items%29): "Gehe mit Bedacht und Umsicht sowohl an deine Arbeit als auch an deine Geschäfte heran, denn gute Arbeit ist eines guten Lohnes wert, und bedachte, umsichtige und ehrliche Geschäfte zahlen sich auf die Zeit gesehen positiv aus, auch wenn sie in einer Welt der Arglist getätigt werden müssen." Approach your work and your business with forethought and circumspection, for good work is worthy of proper compensation; circumspection, forethought and honesty offer sound long-term rewards in business, even in a world of guile. "Wenn du positive, gute Erfolge erzielst, dann lass darob deine Augen nicht blind und deine Ohren nicht taub werden für all das, was an Tugenden vorhanden ist." When you achieve positive, remarkable successes keep from becoming blinded and deafened by them and proceed toward those things of virtuous substance. "Achte aber auch der Art und Weise der Menschen, mit denen du zu tun hast, denn gar viele streben nach hohen Idealen und erreichen niemals ihr Ziel." Be attentive also to the means and ways of the people with whom you deal; though many strive for lofty ideals, few reach their goals. And to be back to the topic, as Kamerad peter-brodowski rightly pointed out, here is a task for Pathfinder: Could you please, make a compilation of all links towards 'Social Issues' and specially on 'Overpopulation' you could find on the FIGU or FIGU related websites - beginning with: http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx ; www.theyfly.com ; www.futureofmankind.com; http://www.alternativkanalen.com/rune/stewens.html ; http://www.geocities.com/maurice_osborn/Reports.htm Thank you for your openness and commitment. Mister Horn, Thanks again for your terrific work in responsibly disseminating the Teachings des Herrn Meier. In my eyes, you are a steady source of inspiration and an example of how it should indeed be done. In your post 706, addressed - as i understood - to member Pathfinder, you wrote: "I suggest that you exemplify one of the core teachings and teach by example. Find out how to effectively, appropriately, bring the work to the world within your own sphere of influence, as per the communication with your sister. Become a Passive Member, go to Switzerland for the meetings, sign up to make presentations, etc." I am afraid there is a mistake here: i, Phenix/Adam/RaKaR, made mention of my sister i called upon for help(Post 182); not Pathfinder. And if it was a lapsus, and you do indeed have something to tell to me, please, do talk to me; i would highly appreciate your criticism, advice, indications and insights. Honorable member Corey, Thanks for your kind readiness to help in all ways, including with meditation. I would not hesitate to turn to you, when needed. For the time being i am working on my concentration and i do excercise the 'Mein Geist' meditation('Philosophie des Lebens' von Herrn Meier; page 21) - on a daily basis, or just any time i feel the need for - following the principle "Hilf dir selbst, dann hilft dir Gott"(idem; page 20). Herr J_rod7, Bruder im Geist, Each of your thoughts adds to my personal quest of wisdom and knowledge; ich danke Ihnen bestens! Kingman-der Mann, Well done! The harvest shall be good; the first bunch of grapes shall be for you. Wir wollen die Schöpfung achten! Salome, Adam. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 10-2008 |
BADR, this is a discussion of overpopulation. the discussion is about whether or not FIGU is applying every effort and opportunity that they have at their disposal to address the issue of overpopulation. What are you doing now, telling us how to speak about the topic when we get in here? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 10-2008 |
to Michael, yes you're right, I do not understand the mission which is exactly why I am asking these questions. if overpopulation is such an urgent need, and Billy's mission is to attack the issue with urgency, and the fact that every single day that goes by the numbers become greater creating even more of an urgency, than is FIGU doing everything they can, and taking every opportunity and using every advantage to deal with overpopulation on an immediate basis? Peter suggests that maybe FIGU has no great intellects there to accomplish this. I highly doubt that but even if that is true, why can't they find someone who can offer some tactical skills. What about you? Don't you have at least one thing in mind if not ten? Your site is great, I never said it wasn't. What I say is that any of these sites should first and foremost appear as soon as someone visits them, to clearly address the main issues of the mission. Do you have a great big bold link or photograph or comment or anything that brings a visitor's attention to overpopulation or religious confusion on the home page? I t looks from the start to portray more to do with UFOology which even the site name implies. not a criticism, a suggestion for the sake of the mission. I think the problem that many, if not most of you here seem to have is this whole idea that evolution is a process that takes time, lots and lots of time. That is where I disagree very adamantly. Our everyday lifestyle should be focused on our evolutionary welfare in general, our way of life should meet well with creation. i agree. But that does not suggest that we have no responsibility for anything else other than our own welfare. If the Plejaren and BEAM had that philosophy of life they would not be here acting for us. Evolution takes time, personal responsibility to oneself takes time. but responsibility to one's brothers and sisters and to ones planet and creation does not take time. One either acts now while he is able or one balks. You have this life here and now to act, which life will you wait for before you choose to act in the here and now? Will all your lives simply be waiting for the next one in your evolution? Do we have a responsiblity to act as soon as possible on an issue of urgency? Or to let it play itself out on the grander scale of evolution? C'mon I really don't think you guys believe you are only responsible to yourself and noone else. You are all too spiritual for that and understand the common unity of creation. we are not taught to only care for ourselves and than wait for everyone in the world to reach the same philosophy in order to attain world peace and communion with Creation. we are not taught to be greedy and selfuish and uncaring and incompassionate. Billy was not in his sacrifice for us. the Plejaren have not been in their efforts to assist us. we are taught to care for all of creation. Overpopulation is an urgent issue requiring immediate attention. please don't use evolution as an excuse to put off the mission. You also have the responsibility of today and tommorrow. Somewhere through this I began to address everyone Michael so do nottake this post personally in every regard. Use some discernment. is that a word? lol "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 |
