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    Nestingwave Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Phenix, This is UFOs 101. VERY elemetary indeed. Many are still trying to come to grips with the fact that ETIs exist. They want the government to tell them and believe everything the "official" statements say because, after all, they are official. They wouldn't lie, would they? Some folks will take what is "official" over what they themselves see with their own eyes and over what they themselves experience in their own life. "Let the "experts" do our thinking for us," they drone. Okay, now they are telling you that there "may" be something to this after all. A part of the highly incremental ongoing disclosure. Actually, they are hoping some of the many citizens who are already interfacing with the ETs can TELL THEM. Of course, whenever someone does, such as Billy and the many others who also have direct experiences, they simply cannot fathom it in their linear minds. This info is being released now because so many folks, including myself, have not only seen them but already interface with the ETs. Gee, your official government figures are admitting that they "might" exist. Of course, those who have seen them for themselves and experienced them and interact with them and participate with them and are interested in WHAT they might have to say have gotten past this point long ago. I saw my first UFOs (three of them) in broad daylight in August of 1957. My friends who worked at White Sands Proving Grounds saw them on radar everytime they had a military test firing. Some, who haved not experienced them for themselves, are still VERY fearful. "My Gott, they just do whatever they want to do!" they say. Yep. The ETIs are making their presence known,friends. However, many don't even believe their own eyes. I was always far more interested in what they have to SAY than their fancy hardware, which is organic at the same time, which is beyond our present so-called "scientific" understanding at this point anyway. ETI is stretching us into an entirely NEW way of thinking all together. This is a prerequisite for our planet to eventually become a space-faring civilization. At present, many are trying to understand the ETI phenomena according to the Old Paradigm way of thinking and are therefore quite confused, mystified and even terrified. Here is the bottom line: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. Let us become a space-opera civilization, like planet Erra, and find a vision to explore the multifarious worlds of time and space. http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 07-2008 |
Gruss Kameraden, Herr J_rod7, In your post 312; okt. 05,2008, you asked: *> Does the Federation respect the wishes of the 'Domain', or Vice-Versa? *> Who imposes the "Non-Interference Policy?".? *> Exactly Why did the Plejarens remove their physical presence and bases? The following could give some indications towards the answer to your last question: [...] "Meier- I see. Again the law of evolution... oh yes, I still have one more question: How do you see the matter of your (public) appearance on Earth; when will you land officially and present yourselves to the people of Earth? Ptaah - This is not provided for still a very long time, as well with others too. On the contrary, nearly all our extraterrestrials will retire from your planet, if certain circumstances come up. This will be, when an until now unknown to us human race from the cosmos will start to visit Earth. Our reckoning in probability indicate this occurring before the year 2,000, or a short time before, if unanticipated factors before then do not put this enterprise in question. If these negative factors do not develop, then eartmen will, in this coming time, around 2,000, first officially meet with human beings from other worlds ....... But no danger from these human-like forms will menace (true) you, because they will be peaceful and harmless. Their culture and their spiritual estate will be very much superior to your own, and so they will not just land on Earth unexpected. They will announce themselves to you first by radio and television, and prepare Earth men for their arrival, and will then land with one of their egg-shaped ships, which will be used by 8 to 12 other forms of life... Meier- This is very interesting; but where will they land? Ptaah - It will assuredly be in America." [...] From Conversations between Ptaah, Billy and Semjase aboard The Great-Spacer: - Contact Report 34( 14 September 1975), - Contact Report 35( from 19:14, Tuesday 16th September, 1975) Your could also consult fragments, some analysis and extensive commentaries of those Conversations at: http://www.alternativkanalen.com/rune/stewens.html (Courtesy of Mr Wendelle C. Stevens) These reports contain a huge amount of valuable, general scientific data highly relevant to the events of the current times. Mr Horn, You would find an answer to your question in post 670 in Section 'Planet Mars'(Okt. 21, 2008), regarding Snow on Mars, also in those reports - 34 and 35; i do not have yet full access to them. Kamerad Nastingwave, ET and the phenomena behind them are doubtlessly all about Responsibility and Acknowledgement of the Ultimate Oneness of Consciousness within All-Embracing Creation - we know that from Herr Meier. This demands Awareness, Spiritual Awakening and Thinking of a completely Different Order, Nature and Dimension, so to speak. And those who are the most unlikely to provide People with those Tools are precisely the Officials and other 'Experts', for both would hold on to the current Paradigm, which is the exact opposite of the Message of our Celestial Brothers and Sisters. I feel that you do have a lot to share, Roy; i would be honored to listen to you. I have already carefully noted your Website. See you around, then. Salome. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hello Phenix and all, Here is a video Of Billy that I recently rewatched. It was an interview by Randolf Winters. Two things that really stood out to me that Billy said. MEDITATION and INITIATION. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4960514397028203697 Yes, Phenix, you are right on when you shared: "ET and the phenomena behind them are doubtlessly all about Responsibility and Acknowledgement of the Ultimate Oneness of Consciousness within All-Embracing Creation - we know that from Herr Meier. This demands Awareness, Spiritual Awakening and Thinking of a completely Different Order, Nature and Dimension, so to speak. And those who are the most unlikely to provide People with those Tools are precisely the Officials and other 'Experts', for both would hold on to the current Paradigm, which is the exact opposite of the Message of our Celestial Brothers and Sisters." Very true indeed. Peace unto all. We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. Let us become a space-opera civilization, like planet Erra, and find a vision to explore the multifarious worlds of time and space. http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** ******* Hello all Your Attention is called here to this Recent Video at www.ProjectCamelot.org > > (to go direct) www.projectcamelot.org/bob_dean.html > >>Titled: Bob Dean: The Coming of Nibiru. Presentation is available in these Formats...: 1/ mp4 (QuickTime) 2/ mov (QuickTime) 3/ wmv (Windows Media) 4/ mp3 audio 5/ stream (Google video) 6/ stream (YouTube video) This Interview is 1-Hr & 45-Min, and covers a LOT of territory. Discussed are: "Nibiru: the highly controversial Planet X," The 'Big Boat' on the Summit of Mount Ararat, The Structures on the Moon and Mars, Interactions with the Anunnaki Still Present among Us here on Earth, And other Topics, including "Insider Information." This Interview, IMO, is Germane to our Discussion here of the ET Intervention On Earth. Well worth the 'Time' to watch and Consider; AND FREE, no Ticket required.  Salome ******* *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 421 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Rod, i have to warn Figu friends and forum members worldwide about this Nibiru-Sitchin thing. Billy Meier himself has addressed this topic many times, the last time on January 2002, Figu Bulletin 38. Basically he said then that the planet Nibiru and their alleged inhabitants were not to be taken seriously because if such a planet existed inside or outside of the solar system, it could be registered by two sources 1) The marvelous Hubble telescope, a damn thing that has uncovered any single asteroid in the solar system bigger than two mile diameter 2) The Plejaren. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980310081620.htm If Sitchin supporters say the planet does not exist anymore, they would be just distorting the truth and trying to re-invent the story of the planet Malona, a planet destroyed by our lyrian ancestors during a civil war, that was located between Mars and the Earth. He would re-write the story trying to confuse the public, calling their inhabitants "the annunaki". That would be a maneouver of distraction and falsification of the truth. About the symbol that represents such inexistent planet nibiru, Billy Meier says it was a symbol used in many different cultures to represent hunters, weapons, punishment and even sexual fertility. Such symbol was later reworked and its significance distorted by Sitchin, giving it the meaning "Chariots of the Most High" I just can say....WTF!!! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1210 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hector..... Very well presented! Sitchin is not to be taken seriously. He would be more or less, in the category of that of Eric von Daniken, and some others related. [E.v D. having less than 6%-10% correct of his research.] Sitchin's works are just works that gotten him 'carried away' and converting it into a si-fi novel, so to speak. Not really much based on truths as Billy mentioned. Still a researcher who is on the path of Error...as many others out there; just plain old 'ignorance', which is quite understandable. And as some individuals have mentioned of an - Annunaki - intervention or Invasion, is even much more hilarious! They seem to be confused with Fact and Fiction, as it seems. Edward. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 03-2005 |
Edward, your Karma just ran over your dogma.  Am I, as a full supporter of Billy, allowed to disagree? Billy TOO uses purposeful disinformation, friends, for the plain reason I am about to tell you. Hector, I hope your desire to save the cult from "error" frustrates you enough to wake up to reality. You sound so very much like the Catholic Church at this point in your journey. J_rod7, you are right on. Bob Dean knows exactly what he is talking about. His information is confirmed by MANY MANY different sources, including my own. Oh, and by the way, I have SEEN a photograph taken from the Hubble of Nibiru. It is incoming. R.S. Harrington did indeed discover it in 1983 via NASAs IRAS satellite. The Associated Press wrote articles about it. I have copies of the article. R.S. Harrington wrote about it in the Journal of Astronomy but, as Bob Dean says, did not NAME the planet. To do so would have caused a big row, indeed. Also, I have SEEN documentary evidence of the interaction between R.S. Harrington AND Zecharia. IT DID HAPPEN friends. Sorry to disappoint you. Of course, you will not believe it and I do not expect you to. This is because you DEIFY the Pleidian/Plejarens and do not understand that THEY USE DISINFORMATION for a very specific PURPOSE. That is, to KEEP you from deifying THEM and to PROVOKE you into taking the personal responsibility to learn how to THINK HOLONOMICALLY. So, I suggest that you reexamine yourselves and learn personal responsibility and quit deifying the Plejarens and Billy by putting them up on a pedestal of your own religious concept. This is exactly what they are trying to teach you. Now, HOW many of you have actually READ Zecharia Sitchen? hmmmm? I have spent several years carefully studying his work. Can you actually dispute any of the well documented points that he makes? No, I do not mean by quoting the mythology of the Plejarens designed to wake you up from your stupor of linear thinking by the cognitive dissonance it produces. This DISINFORMATION is designed to PROVOKE you into holonomic thinking when you finally reach a total cognitive IMPASSE at the point when your linear so-called "facts" do not line up with your highly limited concepts of reality. We are ALL highly limited friends and need to expand our conscious awareness. The Plejarens and Billy are just humans becoming exactly like you and I. Will you allow your conscious awareness to be stretched? Or, will you persist in clinging to the vain traditions of your fathers and allow others to do your thinking and experiencing for you? We are all IS-BEs now awakening to who and what we are. Let us become a space-opera civilization, like planet Erra, and find a vision to explore the multifarious worlds of time and space. http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 422 Registered: 04-2006 |
Nestingwave, please read Figu Bulletin 38. Please tell us which or what kind disinformation are spreading Billy and the Plejaren. I'd like to know. Your accusation is a very dangerous accusation. You say openly the Plejaren and Billy are LYING, and you have absolutely no evidence to prove that. And please, i thought you were mature enough to discuss the topics and not enter personal attacks. Although i'm spanish, i'm far away of being the spanish inquisition. If you want or demand respect, please respect first. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 336 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** ******* Hello ALL NestingWave, I can only say: You have hit the Nail on the Head, right where it NEEDS to be Hit, in particular: > "******..your Karma just ran over your dogma." < It is SO Sad to see some here, Who are in such a Tight Box of their own making, They can't even Consider Knowledge from Outside that Box. Have found some Very Interesting Sources of Import. The first is a Video of a Talk by the former Prime Minister of Canada. (If One may Respect ANY Opinion, this Qualifies) ( Not an active Link, You'll have to Copy & Paste, same with the Second Link ): http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz8UX...eature= The Second is a HUGE collection of Links gathered by John Lear. I have literally spent Hours reviewing just a small Portion of These. Of Particular Interest, is a Large collection of DATA Tapes found of the Clementine Satellite Survey of the Moon, lost until now, recently discovered (One of the first of the Links here)..: www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/menu Happy Hunting Salome ******* *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 337 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All Correction: Link to Video of Former Canada Prime Minister: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKz8UXBePUw Good Show, less than 10-min Peace - Out *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 08-2007 |
Nestingwave, Even Zecharia Sitchin himself, along with Sir Laurence Gardner, are just Wolves in Sheep's Clothing. Look at Sitchin's personal History, and his Connexions, as well as that and those of many other 'Researchers' into this Matter. If indeed there was anything to this 'Planet Marduk' Information, it is long come and gone, as the Candidate photographed by Hubble, that is Comet NEAT, was seen via the SOHO Observatory being struck by solar Coronal Mass Ejections. It was quite bright and may well have been a gold-plated extraterrestrial Planetoid, but do not invest any hope in the Return of Space Brothers, as these Beings were surely no such thing, and their Planetoid would be on its Way out of this Solar System. I'll just tell you that from my Research, Sitchin is intentionally confounding the Men in Black with the Anunnaki stories, perhaps even in Service to them. The Men in Black, by their own Word, are ruled by an androgynous Exalted Race, and store their Eggs in underground Nests. They also threatened to destroy the Earth with our own Nuclear Weapons if Albert Bender did not obey them, and were responsible for most of the Assasination Attempts on Billy. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1212 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hector.... Again: very well said! You are one of the few who's postings I always read: You know what you are talking about. Can sense this in your postings. Seems that Nestingwave (and Rod) has not really studied Billy's Materials as he/they should and should know: there is NO such thing as Karma... Speaking of - Disinformation -! Seems, there are still individuals here whom seem to know better...when just being here for just a short time. Seems, indirectly they are indeed...calling Billy and the Plajarans Lairs, in regards to Sitchin's novels. Well, I guess - they have not been there yet -, as Billy would say. Still many hurdles for them to cross. Edward. | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2005 |
Oh, I see, Edward. Sorry, I should have said, "your dogma just ran over your karma." That does indicate why many cannot take personal responsibility and require someone else to do their thinking and experiencing for them. A kind of abdication of one's own personal power due to lack of understanding about WHO and WHAT they are and their undeniable interconnectivity with the entire web of life. Our planetary problem, in fact. Friends, a "myth" is NOT a lie. A parable is not a lie either. However, if you take either as linear information, DISINFORMATION is immediately produced. However, those whose primary interest is being religiously "correct" find it impossible to discern either parable or myth since such thinking represents the great limitations imposed by the vain traditions of our fathers for thousands of years. An error which must be eventually be overcome in order to BECOME. When we do, we can then become a type 1 space-faring civilization. So, some continually like to play the favoite sport of linear thinkers and engage in the game of "conclusion pole vaulting." No, I never said that the Plejarens were "LIARS." Neither was Jmmauel a "liar" but one who spoke in parables ... like the Plejarens and all the ETs, such as ("Aril"), the "Grey" with a synthesized soul carrier, found walking around after the Roswell crash. That's why "she" (although the entity was asexual) survived the Roswell crash and the other entities, who were Complex Occillating Biological Entities (COBEs), like us, did not. Apparently, no one here has 1) ever seriously studied Zecharia Sitchen, 2) ever actually SEEN a so-called "man in black" 3) interfaced with the ETIs, 4)understand the difference between Popular Mechanics and the Bagavad Gita. There is a difference in purpose. Really. This misunderstanding is where all your fears come from. This does produce a bit of difficulty in communication. Opinions are like armpits, everyone has at least two and I am no different. Like Jmmaneul, the ETIs speak in holonomic parables. An example: “About 1160 years ago three races of ET's from far away galaxies of this universe came to Earth. They got in contact with terrestrial priests and studied our religions. After several years of study they decided to teach their peoples according to the Christian religion, a deadly mistake. Within 11 years the long peaceful time was ended and war broke out between families and nations, etc. When one of the three worlds was destroyed during the world wars, other ET stopped the insanity, and all terrestrial religions and especially Christianity (Christian faith) was strictly prohibited. And it was also forbidden to visit Earth again, and should a ship get lost on Earth and would not be able to get off again, the ship and its crew should eliminate themselves. This occurred about 1000 years after the first visit on Earth, when a ship had to land in Russia due to severe technical damage. The ship was able to rise only a few hundred meters above ground, and because within the ship a terrestrial epidemic had started, it was decided to eliminate the ship in a huge atomic explosion, a few hundred meters above ground. (Summary by CF, based on Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Block 1, pages 311 ff.)” Of course, I realize that this is some kind of "holy gospel" to many people still under a hypnogogic "godspell," but actually it is not a collection of linear facts from the past, but a parable that one needs to apply to their own life right here and now. It is an illustration and no more "historical" than are the son-of-man's parables, which the linear thinkers all around him did not understand either. However, some did have an "AHA" and got it. I could easily elucidate why the above story is a parable and not linear facts from the past but in the interest of what the ETIs are constantly teaching us, I will let those who might be interested in something more than religious "correctness" do that for themselves. The past and future is constantly changing, according to how our understanding and comprehension of it evolves, as we continually grok new meanings about our Universal interconnectivity in this most present moment. http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1567 Registered: 12-1999 |
Nestingwave, Why is the information from the Kontaktberichte considered a parable? It seems a pretty clear explanation of an event according to the Plejarens. Scott | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 673 Registered: 10-2000 |
I would add that the information this statement, "No, I never said that the Plejarens were "LIARS." Neither was Jmmauel a "liar" but one who spoke in parables ... like the Plejarens and all the ETs, such as ("Aril"), the "Grey" with a synthesized soul carrier, found walking around after the Roswell crash. That's why "she" (although the entity was asexual) survived the Roswell crash and the other entities, who were Complex Occillating Biological Entities (COBEs), like us, did not." ...is expressed as if it's based in fact, regarding the alleged ETs, the "Grey", "synthesized soul carrier", etc. Where is the foundation of verifiable, credible information (such as Meier's, which spans some 57+ years) that would warrant not using qualifying words such as "alleged"? As someone who represents the Meier case publicly, I am often required to present sufficient information to warrant the statements that I make regarding its truthfulness, authenticity, value, etc. So when I see anecdotal "evidence" woven into stories, as if it is established fact, I need to not only remind people that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof," but that the standard for such proof should meet that which has been established by the content contained in Meier material. See also: http://theyfly.com/Contact_424.html http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash/newsflash.htm#US Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 338 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All Thank You, Michael, for posting the Link...: http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash/newsflash.htm#US. This makes VERY Clear that Numerous other ETI Civilizations are involved in the Interests of Earth Humanity. Of particular Note here, IS the Huge Cover-up and DISINFORMATION being perpetrated on the Citizens of Earth. This is being done TO US by those We pay our Taxes for to take Care of our Common Interests. In the Worst Case, is the Technology obtained from recovered ET SpaceCraft. There is, among this, Technology which would make FREE ENERGY available to every Human on Earth. To Keep this hidden in Deep Holes out in the Deserts is Criminal on the part of Our Governments and their 'Black-Ops' Cohorts. And, still yet, We see among Us, Those who will Not see the Big Brick coming, until it falls on their Head. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 425 Registered: 04-2006 |
It is simply not true the statement that Billy Meier uses parables to teach or to address the human being of the 21st century. He who says that is uninformed nor has he read the words of Ptaah and Billy himself on 06/25/2005. Then they said the human being of the 21st century can't be instructed using parables and/or miracolous demonstrations. That proceeding was suited for the average man 2000 years ago, but evolution has not stopped since then and our present stage of evolution does not allow to use telekinesis, teleportation, mind over matter in order to "demonstrate" the spirit teachings to any kind of audience or crowd. That doesn't work anymore. Today, in the 21st century, people who are willing to get instructed in the spirit teachings have to use their brains, their intelect to study and understand vital concepts of the spirit teachings such as reincarnation, creational laws, the spirit, creation, consciousness, subconsciousness, aura, vibrations, power of thought, etc etc. The german language, compared to ancient greek or aramaic, is 20 times richer and offers 20 times more conceptual clarity than those old languages used by Jmmanuel. 2000 Years ago archaic language limited conceptual explanations, that's not the case anymore. Every person interested in the spirit teachings has to begin to confront himself with new abstract concepts previously mentioned. No parables, just "simple" concepts that have to be studied, deeply analyzed and scrutinized. This is the only way to make progress today. Parables and wonders are something of the past, they are out of place and time, and cannot return as educational tools. Using them means stagnation. So please stop telling people false information. Billy Meier DOES NOT speak in parables. Billy Meier DOES NOT speak half truths when he talks about UFOs, about the creation, about the spirit, about reincarnation etc etc. He and the plejaren speak the effective truth. If you do not accept such lessons and such statement, then it is not Billy Meiers problem, nor Ptaahs problem. The problem is that as a "bad student" you are not ready to be confronted with The Creation, with The Spirit, with Reincarnation, with Consciousness powers, with superior technology and above all, with the simple statement that Billy Meier and his friends know more about these topics than the whole mankind. You just can't accept it. No problem, then go your own way and keep on reading Sitchin, Alex Crowley, Michael Salla, Kal Korff, George Adamski, Rudolph Steiner, Helena Blavatski and the like, and leave Billy Meier just for making comparisons. If reading such sources you make better progress than reading Billy Meier, I will applaud. Hey, but we are in the Figu forum, we are open to discuss any kind of topics, but we are not open to distort/misinterpret the message of Billy Meier. Do not call that fundamentalism. Call it coherence and rigor. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 07-2004 |
Michael, and also Nestingwave, Michael, you have explained the point which I have labored through in recent postings of mine to member Nestingwave. Nestingwave, While it seems like we're ganging up on your approach to interacting here, I am certain that the position you present yourself from, requires others here to focus on what you claim as your certainties. I may appear to you to be unmoving in my past discussions with you, I just sensed some of your 'truths' were not supported by any decent means. Michael, with his commitment to the Billy Meier story, in-depth research into proving what he could prove, challenges from different angles attacking his findings, and all the other activities that Michael volunteers in this area, is able to articulate precisely the weakness of your stance. Please consider his viewpoint as certainly being better qualified in this reasoning than where I come from in these regards. The appearance of some design you may have to inject these unsubstantiated claims into a discussion might just be in my head, but it's not without some justification. Moderators, I will not comment any further in this matter. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2005 |
Hi Scott, This quote of the story above was concerning the June 30, 1908 Tunguska explosion. It has been greatly studied over a very long period of time since 1908 by many expeditions to the site. Had a huge atomic explosion occured a few hundred meters above the ground there would have been a HUGE crater. There was none. Also, there was no high radiation detected after that blast. Atomic explosions produce quite a bit of radiation, you know. It is what the story is telling you that is important. I'll let you figure that part out. Michael, there have been several testimonies by witnesses over the years about the lone surviving alien found walking around after the Roswell crash. Of course, it is controversial as is every other aspect of the UFO/ETI issue including Billy's. Billy does however have direct evidence that, I agree with you, is beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, there are also others. Here's one. In fact these photos have been called the very best there are and with the most witnesses. Here is an opportunity to see some of the deeper implications of this ongoing ET contact. The next link is to a two part video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8928098529931358757 Actually this experience of Carlos Dias greatly amplifies Billy's experiences. It also shows the craft to be ... shall we say ... more than hardware? Many people witnessed these in this area of Mexico and still do. Carlos Dias' experience is very important to an understanding of the ETIs now contacting earth humans, including many people which have no evidence whatsoever but nonetheless have interface with the beings. The book by Larry Spenser "Alien Interview" is a transcript of the Army's attempted interrogation of that ET. Audio tapes were made at that time and I feel that they will emerge at some point in this ongoing UFO/ETI disclosure, which is a whole lot more than "insider" government testimony. What that particular ET had to say through her telpathic contact with the army nurse who interviewed her, was also a parable applicable to the situation right here and now on our planet and the healing remedy. Of course, many who do not recognize that, take it linearly and thus reject it as a "hoax" and think it is fear-mongering. I disagree with that view. ETI is a mirror of US. You get whatever you call upon. The government wanted weaponry and so they got ET liars just like themselves after Roswell when they started attempting to skew the whole UFO/ETI issue to their selfish advantage and the advantage of the Military/Industrial complex. So, yes, it is all very controversial. However, upon careful reading, it has resonance with other testimony and once again brings forth the basic teaching of all the ETs -- personal responsibility. However, the 1947 mind, just coming out of WW2, was only capable of understanding this seminal Roswell event according to the concepts of that era, so, those 1947 metaphores and concepts were telepathically communicated by that ET. The thing that spooked the military the most was the fact that the entity "Ariel" was only using that bodily form as a tool and easily popped out of it whenever she wanted to. Also, back in that era, no one was able to understand how the ships themselves could be LIVING NERVOUS SYSTEMS controlled by the MINDS of the occupants. So, I present everyone with five videos of David Adair's videotaped testimony about his experiences with an ET engine from a later crash - or a later ship which was shot down. A much larger ship than the one that crashed at Roswell. This is in five 7 to 10 minute clips. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=david+adair+reveals+lightspeed+ufo+technology+pt..+1&search_type=&aq=0&oq=David+Adair Again, it is a UFO/ETI CONTROVERSY to provoke us to begin to think holonomically instead of the traditional linear way. That is my view developed from my own ET experiences and the testified experiences of others, including Billy. Peace be to all. The past and future is constantly changing, according to how our understanding and comprehension of it evolves, as we continually grok new meanings about our Universal interconnectivity in this most present moment. http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1570 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Roy, You still didn't answer the question?, but thank you for trying. Scott | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 675 Registered: 10-2000 |
Several things here. How is it that you have arrived (perhaps jumped) to the conclusion that the objects seen in Mexico are all ET in origin? How is it that you accept that Carlos Diaz has photographed ET UFOs? What evidence is there for him having actual contact with ETs? Is there any uniquely valuable INFORMATION? I've not yet heard of any. In the "for what it's worth department", Meier states that Diaz is not an ET contactee. Let's also remember that Semjase had indeed given the names of people they stated were actual contactees. The Meier material presents us with the idea that not only are there well over 42,000,000 human races in the universe but that a number of them have, over time, visited and/or observed our world. It's also made clear that actual, direct, physical contacts have been extremely rare. But the burden of proof is still on Diaz and his supporters. And so, if he has not proved that he actually is having contact, then it's simply not true that, "Carlos Dias' experience is very important to an understanding of the ETIs now contacting earth humans, including many people which have no evidence whatsoever but nonetheless have interface with the beings." They have no evidence but they're still "interfacing with the beings." What happened to suggested words like: allegedly, perhaps, maybe, could be, it's been said, etc.? You go right back to the same b.s. as before. What's the point and why are we avoiding the real business at hand (the self-responsible cleaning up of our own mess)? Why the need to create yet more terminology, i.e. ETI, "holonomic thinking", etc. Is there something lacking in the "linear thinking" expressed by Meier, Ptaah, Quetzal, etc. that necessitates yet another new term? I am reminded of Scientology, a system that attempts to create hierarchal status through the creation and use of new terms, with which its adherents can exercise their presumed superiority over those who aren't "clear" and all that. It's smelling similar here. If there are ETs and they have traveled here in their UFOs, surely there's a REASON for it and for our becoming aware of it. Could it be that the REASON is the important thing, as well as being obvious in the Meier case, i.e. that they have valuable information for us? And, if that is the case, why in heck are we still babbling about UFOs and ETs? Really. And why do you, Nestingwave, conclude your post with, "That is my view developed from my own ET experiences and the testified experiences of others, including Billy," a statement that you - again - FAIL to substantiate regarding your own ALLEGED "ET experiences" and the ALLEGED experiences of others? I have to wonder if you think that we're simply too dumb to notice that while you acknowledge the essence of the point regarding the unique "beyond a reasonable doubt" status of the Meier case, you proceed to then make your self-serving, self-important concluding sentence without providing one shred of proof/substantiation for it. Are you just so invested in your story, and in creating a role, an image of some sort of expertise or specialness for yourself, and using endless anecdotal references to try to keep it all afloat? As far as I can tell, there's been ET contact going on with one man for six decades. Through him we have acquired 24,000 pages of valuable information and spiritual teaching, sufficient for us to participate in a silent revolution of truth. Examining our own motives for how we represent ourselves is a real good place to start, seeing as how there's so much available content to ponder...and clean up. Michael Horn | ||
Nestingwave Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 03-2005 |
Yes, Michael, but without arrogance. Religious "cleansings" are the problem and always have been. The past and future is constantly changing, according to how our understanding and comprehension of it evolves, as we continually grok new meanings about our Universal interconnectivity in this most present moment. http://www.geocities.com/nestingwave/DwnStepA.html | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 676 Registered: 10-2000 |
Great, how's about accountability then? You didn't address the points/objections I raised, so are we going to get more of the "my own ET experiences"? Perhaps you've noticed the painstakingly detailed way in which the translation process takes place, to assure accuracy. And you may have also noticed how little, if any, real self-contradictory information comes from this source. So it seems quite reasonable to me that you also meet such standards when you causally talk about your "experiences", unsubstantiated as they seem to be at this point. I really don't carry if there's a truckload of people who've had these experiences. But I do care that they put their evidence on the table. Meier has and it's also earned him almost two dozen attempts on his life. Fortunately, all of these other "contactees" have escaped such dangers, as I presume that you have too. So, do we get the evidence or will you refrain from making unsubstantiated claims? Am I being arrogant in making that request too? Michael Horn |
