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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 442
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 04:53 am: | 
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Well Pathfinder, from my observation the discussion has turned into what is it that FIGU does, and questioning, and so on. Most of the posts above did not include the word overpopulation or reference to it, and turned into a general discussion.
So a topic as Misc. is more appropriate than here. My post wasnt directed to you only, everyone else is addressed, if you read my previous post to you no. 440, that means I am included as well, as my post had nothing to do with overpopulation.
I am not telling you how to speak, I just wish that people take more care about where they post their questions and discuss things. Trust me, personally I dont care, because my source of info is the published materials by FIGU and not the forum, but Scott and I do it for the good of people that like to read topics and would get put off when they go into a topic and not find anything related to the title. Thats all, nothing sinister behind my post.
Salome, Badr |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 115
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 05:21 am: |
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Pathfinder .. I'll be direct with my presumptions/assumptions, without proper apology. That said; it's seemed to me that you arrived here as a refugee from one of earths current religions/cults. You have probably written more posts than anyone, in the time you've been here. You've personally needed an outlet for expression/release (probably you always have) and you are screaming out for someone to listen and to respond. This has ultimately led you to screaming at FIGU, for attention. Attention getting is a glass that needs constant refilling. So now you're getting some attention you've been seeking; from BADR, from Michael, and from the rest of us here in the peanut gallery.
You're just talking talking talking, not doing. At least a terrorist is doing. We can all just sit here, everlastingly, chatting away. I'm not condoning terrorism but at least they're practicing what they preach. Your screaming here ain't doing a thing except letting off a constant supply of steam/energy, and it seems you have an endless supply that needs venting. If you could only harness/redirect all that energy in productive fashion; what is it that you could not do?
You're frustrated internally and since you can't resolve that frustration, you're saying the world needs changing. This mechanism has led man into his countless wars, murders, rapes, tortures, abuses, inhumanity to his fellow man, etc etc
So do something, Pathfinder. Go to Switzerland and light a fire under FIGU. Get it out of your system. If you ain't gonna go there, then comment deleted. This isn't a psychotherapy chatroom.
All that said, your constant bellyaching don't bother me. Feel free to vent, feel free to act like a frustrated teen, unable to productively direct their ample energy. Really; I don't mind. You're the one who should mind. Its your life, its your energy you could put to better use. Why should I care? I don't.
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 224
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 06:08 am: |
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Well then BADR,
I respectfully draw your attention to a problem then.
Do you expect us to leave a thread in the midst of a discussion just to appease the fact that such discussion may touch on more than one category? If so, we will be forced to leave discussions midway to jump to other threads which will lead to utter chaos.
if you are moderating by looking for keywords in discussions you may have a prblem with that.
if you go back and follow the discussion thoroughly you will see how the topic of overpopulation is related to the mission of FIGU in this discussion.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 443
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 06:11 am: |
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My answer to your question is YES, people have done it before and it was all fine. Check the archives..
Salome, Badr |
Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 226
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 07:11 am: |
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Okay then BADR, I will attempt to do the same whenever a moderator draws the attention to the need to switch threads.
Earthling,
YIKES, you have scared me right out of my wits. Are you sure you are from earth?
yes I am yelling my lungs out here. well maybe my fingertips. is thats not a problem for you why have you bothered with this post? Didn't mean to catch your attention actually. The people i would like to reach would be someone that is in FIGU or a Plejaren that might agree with what I say and might cause something to happen from it. Is there soemthing wrong with that sort of hope earthling? maybe you would rather I gave themn a phone call so you wouldnt have to listen or read the discussion.
yes, I am frustrated with the state of our world, aren't you? I am crying out because I care. would you rather that I did not care earthling?
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Michael
Member
Post Number: 711
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:36 am: |
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Pathfinder,
Overpopulation is, as we state in the film (SROT) the core of most of our problems. We speak about how it is at the heart of environmental problems, illegal immigration, wars, famines, etc.
However, have you noticed that the human tendency is not to volunteer to not be among the living? And, of course, people feel entitled to bring children into the world, and to get everything else that they want, as has been pointed out by Meier too.
But in reading all that you've said about overpopulation, I feel that on some level it's a more of an excuse for you to express your frustrations, hastily drawn opinions and conclusions about FIGU, etc. Have you noticed that FIGU isn't the only, let alone the most well known, group opposing overpopulation?
Do an online search and you'll find many others. Have you bothered to harangue any, let alone all, of them for not doing enough?
Why not?
Now you can direct your criticism - absent mention of a race of extraterrestrials that you think are obligated to solve our problems for us - at them, which will give you the opportunity to examine what your own underlying motivations, fears, etc. are in singling out FIGU and its members on this issue.
It will also give you the opportunity to reflect on and examine your own thinking and, dare I say, your statement, "I am crying out because I care."
I'll leave this for now in this section though I just saw Scott's post in Misc. Disc. that touches on some of this too.
Michael Horn
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 229
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 01:55 pm: |
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Michael,
Why would I go somewhere else? It is here that the teachings of BEAM speak the truths I see. So it is here that I cry out for hope. Nowhere else have I seen truth spoken so eloquently so it is here that I hope to stoke the fires.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 383
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 02:01 pm: |
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Pathfinder, this section is about Overpopultion... it is not the: undue criticism and rant and rave section...
Also... in answer to a question raised by you... to Michael, who is, I'm sure, busy... trying to do the actual work of FIGU/Billy Meier... and not able to answer all these (???) questions:
From Pathfinder #220,
Q.) "Might I ask you how i can appropriately ask these questions without offending the populace?"
A.) You might implement respect, dignity, kindness, harmony, wisdom and knowledge you yourself would require. |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 116
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 04:05 pm: |
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Pathfinder: No, nothing wrong with what you're doing; not your screaming, venting, hoping, frustration, your so-called caring. If you don't mind, how can I mind? Its your life. However, you are wasting/misdirecting your energy. That is for sure.
No, I am not frustrated by the state of our world. What can I do about this world? Either I am doing something about it or I am not; if I am not, I have no right to complain and if I am, I know I have done all I can humanly do up to this point in time and I rest easy until it comes time to act again.
Complaining is not doing. I am sitting here in a cozy chair, in front of a computer, about to make dinner. If I was frustrated, what good would it do to vent to internet strangers?
If you're frustrated at the pace of evolution, do something besides venting to anonymous internet strangers. That is doing nothing. You have gotten replies from core members, Michael, Gaia, Badr ... beyond that, get your ass over to Switzerland and state your grievances to the man himself.
Like I said, if you could harness your obvious energy, what is it that you could not accomplish that you really, truly want?
Find out and get back to us. Its your path you must find. |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 62
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 06:22 pm: |
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Pathfinder :
20 minutes . Meditation .
That's all you should be concerned with .
MC |
Pureharmony
Member
Post Number: 147
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 06:33 pm: |
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I've felt strongly about the issue of overpopulation for over two decades now (before I heard about Billy Meier) and I agree with the Plejarens. I can only say that I am 37 and I have no children by choice. I've been very happily married now for 14 years, by the way.
It is frustrating to see the population grow so fast; but I believe that the information that the Plejarens have taught us about religion is a great starting base for awareness, as religion is a big part of the population growth. (Anyone who once studied the bible would know there was a passage about going to hell if you spilled a drop of sperm, a false concept.)
It is going to take a long time for the truth and awareness of these things to spread to the entire world, which probably is why the Plejarens said the mission would take about 800 years; but that does not surprise me given the states of mind here on Earth.
I can only say I'm doing my part and I know about six women whom I work with who have chosen not to have children, so it is a start.
Also I was surprised the other day when I was leaving work, before I got on the freeway to go home, I saw someone with three overpopulation bumper stickers on the back of their car. That gave me a smile! 
We will make a difference one person at a time.
*pureharmony*
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Schantz
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:07 pm: |
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Pathfinder,
Here is a quote from a wise old man. I hope the people on this forum will keep this in mind before responding to your constant rants.
"But distance yourself from aggressive, boisterous and
obstinate individuals so as not to become embroiled
in their pointless disputes,
for such people insult one's consciousness,
humaneness and refinement"
Source:
http://us.figu.org/portal/SpiritualTeachings/Desiderata/tabid/95/Default.aspx |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 561
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 11:04 am: |
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Schantz,
Ouch! You have found the actual response that is straight to the point(that's the ouch part). Thanks for taking the time to post this clear meaning statement.
Salome,
a friend in america
Shawn
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Syn
Member
Post Number: 105
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 05:51 pm: |
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kablammie right in yo face with that!!
btw that is a very powerful quote...
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Creational
Member
Post Number: 40
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 10:34 pm: |
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Dear Schantz,
Beautifully Quoted!
so little yet so effective and to the point.
Salome
Zhila,
THANK YOU BILLY.
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1263
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 02:39 am: |
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Hi Shan....
Nice to hear from, once gain!
Yes, very excellent words, there.
Very good choice you(and Rob) made there, Shan.
And that Bumper Sticker: MAN, that IS....Way Out.... [Progression in the
making....]
Goede Gezondheid, to you both.....
Edward. |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 118
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 02:56 am: |
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{rant on}
Can't you people come up with your own words? Must you hide behind the protection of words of your leaders, like the rest of the warring factions on this planet? How are you so different from mindless followers, of mindless religions and philosophies, repeating mindlessly, software that has been implanted in their brains from their leaders? You lob your leaders quotes at your fellow human being like carefully tossed grenades or sniper fire.
{rant off}
For those of you thinking that overpopulation is the number 1 threat to this planet, so much so, that you are out there, in your small or large worlds, prosletyzing; and if only had the power to enact into law, would legislate certain measures to take away the procreation privilege from your fellow human being, whom you deem unworthy of breeding.
Contact 251 tells the tale of Malona's destruction by its own woefully underpopulated inhabitants.
"Everything transpired as the scientists had formerly predicted: The "Destroyer" penetrated the Martian orbit and wrenched Mars with it into another SOL orbit, namely that of Malona, where it remained. Subsequently, Malona drifted away, however, because of the Destroyer's powerful forces, but managed to exist in this orbit until the time when it was destroyed by its inhabitants many millennia later, and became the Asteroid Belt. During this "drifting catastrophe", the inhabitants of Malona were decimated from approximately 470 million humans to barely 14 million; however, they were able to recover somewhat and by the time they destroyed their planet, their population had increased again to approximately 52 million." |
Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 232
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 04:14 am: |
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And see how they enjoy the demeaning of their brother with quotes that earlier they would not regard with the same relishing.
here are a couple more quotes that seem fitting:
Each human being shall always foster an open, good, loving, peaceful, harmonious and liberal relationship with all human beings, even if they are hostile towards him. As a rule, hatred doesn't harm the other person, but the hateful person himself because taking satisfaction in hatred becomes his own disgrace.
Pow, right in th face,,,OUCH! ooo that had to hurt! kablammie! How does this sound to you?
And ZHILA, et tu Brute?
Each human being must always be open to questions about the meaning of life and the human being's existence, and he shall be in need of them, so as to ponder and to talk about them with his fellow-human beings, to gain cognition of truth therefrom.
Have you been open to my questions as I pondered the situation?
Each human being must have the feeling and certainty that he can communicate and explain to the fellow-human beings that which is important to him, and in return understanding is given to him.
What is wrong with my feeling of certainity? Does this only apply to certain individuals?
Each human being must have the feeling and certainty that his fellow-human beings do understand what depresses and burdens him, and that he may expect useful advice or some other help.
Where is your hope that the masses will come to understand our message?
Each human being shall be intent to not avoid problems and conflicts, but to search for solutions (for them), and to overcome them.
You may certainly fight the battle on your home front, but please do not demean those of us who search for further solutions and attempt to address the situation a little sooner than later.
I have accomplished what I set out to do, and hope that it may have some success here. there is no need for me to bicker any further. you are not trying to convince me or teach me any further, you are simply shaming yourselves and being rude. You can continue to mock me as you see fit, but you mar your own character and evolve with that. My conscience is intact. How do you guys feel about yourselves after all those kablooies? Do the quotes I have posted mean as much to you as the ones you use to belittle someone? Shame!
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 233
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 04:27 am: |
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Dear Earthling,
Why not simply ask your fellow human to reduce the size of their families to 2 children at a time to create an ease to the damages of overpopulation?
If 7 billion is not a number that you are concerned with, what number will concern you? Surely you understand that at some point you will reach a borderline where you cannot provide such a mass with the basic needs of life, and that as space becomes more and more crowded the pushing and shoving will become more violent.
At what number do you think the issue will warrant action? 10 billion? 20 billion? Why not act before it boils over?
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 562
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 05:05 am: |
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Earthling and Pathfinder,
I have responded in the proper topic.
Salome,
a friend in america
Shawn
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Hector
Member
Post Number: 469
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 07:09 am: |
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Hi all, one of the problems we will have to face when battling overpopulation is...what do we do with the gigantic big cities we've built like Beijing, Mexico City, Delhi, Sao Paulo, (worst examples, all above 10 million people each....)
I mean, have you ever thought WHERE overpopulation shows its gravest effects and consequences...? Yes, in big cities like those mentioned. The Plejaren say there's an advisable value of inhabitants per square kilometer of arable (fertile) land. 12 inhabitants/km2 of (productive/fertile)! land....In the case of New Delhi, that value is.....26216!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_population
I welcome all the private efforts made by respectable forum members like Phenix/Adam in order to battle overpopulation by calling representatives or going to the media, but the crusade against overpopulation is not just telling people that they should refrain from having kids. It is a matter of sustainability, a matter of ecological/environmental balance. 500 million people maximum....Why? Because the earth's resources are finite, the amount of fertile/productive land in this planet is what marks the amount of human population the planet is able to receive.
Big cities in these days are the best and mayor examples of man's disregard and disrespect for the natural laws and environmental balance. Big cities must be built based on sustainability and not viceversa (sustainability at the service of man).
By piling up people around big cities we increase a lot of problems manifold:
- There's the problem of garbage/waste that cannot be reutilized/processed
- Dehumanization of society, personal relationships get worse. Alienation, confusion, stress, "spiritual" wearyness.
- Contamination of the atmosphere and destruction of green areas (forests) (this could be fixed)
The point i want to make is that mankind needs a new model of population growth and urban settlement, and big cities (more than 1 million inhabitants) should be a rare exception, not the rule. |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 119
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 08:45 am: |
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Pathfinder: Despite what is bandied about around here; despite the population menace to this planet, which I agree is a menace; if one has been around for a couple generations, one can see the damage humans have brought on the environment, irresponsibly.... despite all that, it is none of my business to tell anyone how many children they should have.
I am not a lawmaker nor law enforcer. If I was, then I'd likely pursue a different course of action. But since I am not, if everyone wants to breed this planet out of breathing space, so be it. Currently, I will not be getting on the battlefield against them and their self-destructive activities. Tomorrow or in the next life, who knows.
I don't know what number warrants action. Billy & the Plejarens are the experts on that. However, I can certainly see that presently there are too many humans for my liking. |
Adysor
Member
Post Number: 136
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 03:21 pm: |
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The new movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is pretty nice about how some races of unknown ETs come to Earth to destroy mankind because of the danger we pose to Earth. And nice special effects too.
Adrian.
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