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    Pathfinder Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 10-2008 |
Agreed Earthling. hector, It scares me to think of what things must come to pass in order to begin the decline in numbers. as you said, word of mouth from family members is not going to do what is needed. that may work over a few thousand years or more. the state that we are in now is unique in the entire universe. because of what the Plejaren ancestors created on our world. It will take something unique to cause the change that will be required to turn it around. Maybe that is what we should be discussing. What things can be done and what extreme should be used. is earthling right to suggest we just let people do what they want? people seem to have a habit of being their own worst enemies. Will covert measures need to be taken? or should we just let it go and lat it take its course over time? What situations will we suffer as the crisis intensifies? What situations will hit us so hard that the world will suddenly cry out for help? Can we start a list of what things overpopulation will cause to happen in some sort of order? And then a list of things that will be needed to be done to alleviate the problems? "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 05-2008 |
Pathfinder: I am not suggesting 'we just let people do what they want', by passing laws to allow for undisciplined birthing. It gets very complicated. Should laws be passed to prove that one can materially, emotionally, spiritually be able to provide for offspring before they conceive? In fact I think that is a good idea, going against what I may have inferred yesterday. Just like we need building permits to add to ones home, perhaps we should need birth permits to add to our brood & the global population at large. In fact, that is my latest and greatest suggestion, and if I was a legislator, I would work towards such a thing. But I am not, unfortunately. | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; You continue to talk about how more needs to be done, while turning your nose up at those of us who suggest that you start first with those in your immediate sphere of influence (family, friends, coworkers, etc.) and work your way out from there... at the same time as you fail to provide one single concrete idea of what could actually be done on a large scale, even if it's something you could not accomplish alone. You have gotten suggestions from several of us. I will repeat some of mine a last time in the hope that you will please be quiet if you cannot come up with any other good ideas, as well as if you are unwilling to actually do what you can do by sharing these concerns with your family members, etc. We could semi-permanently sterilize everyone from the age of about 10 or 11. Thus, until they fulfilled certain criteria (such as being of a psychologically healthy state, as well as being materially and emotionally capable of caring for their potential children, etc.) they would not have the option of having children. We could implement strict laws which punish those who have children outside of marriage. Marriages would, in this case, also have to be controlled, and there would need to also be a cap on how many children a married couple could have. We could also have seven-year birth-stops, but would need secondary laws for dealing with those people who violate the birth-stop and have children despite it. As for implementing these measures... well, we've seen how people in the States have reacted to China having even a one-child policy (unless you're wealthy, of course): they simply can't comprehend why on Earth anyone would go along with such a policy. It seems downright inhumane. Unless you're one of those countless millions upon millions of peasants in China who has lived their entire life in squalor, who has faced starvation, the loss of loved ones, etc. and who understands at this point the very real value of having one child with a good standard of living versus having a whole brood that live in poverty. If you have anything else to add, rather than simply whining more about how much someone else needs to be doing about this problem, then feel free to actually share your ideas. We've all heard enough of your petulant demands that someone, somewhere, do something on a large scale about these problems... what are you doing? You profess how powerless you are, how pathetic and incapable of accomplishing anything you are, especially in the face of such huge problems -- not only do such claims reek of self-pitying nonsense, but they also do not check you out of the responsibility to do what you are capable of. You can talk to your family members about these matters. You can educate your children. You can take responsibility and fess up to the fact that, just maybe, you weren't even in a state to have children in the first place -- but you've had them, so now you can do the best by them that you are capable of. You can tell your wife and your children, your parents if they are not dead, any siblings, your coworkers, etc. how concerned you are about overpopulation. These are thing -you- can do. No one else is going to do them for you. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 10-2007 |
well, as for a list it's hard to say necessarily because so much is going to happen all at once, just like it already is, desertification in every country, extreme weather conditions such as hurricanes, floods in some areas and rivers drying up in others, snow superstorms, wars over natural resources, unless we slow it down humanely we could also lose our planets atmosphere entirely, not to mention damage the mesosphere, isosphere, and stratosphere. Entire civilazations and economies people will begin moving around and will increase the chances of war and aggression. one benefit to stabilizing our planet as well as humanely slowing population growth, is that we can give our future generations a chance to have a life here on Earth in less miserable conditions then we know or understand today. Just one benefit to slowing our population growth and reading Billy's books of course  is that we could slowly begin to understand the thousands of pages of information as well as begin evolve and allow our sciences time to evolve naturally over generations we can begin repairing the damage for our mother earth/our planet/our home. The Plejeran said in one of Billy's books that deep down all of us human beings want and crave peace and freedom, what they meant by that is that our human spirit's themselves desperatley want to understand peace, harmony, love, freedom, they way they are naturally laid out by the universal life force of Creation itself, not the way we process those terms here on Earth. Overpopulation is currently a "hard sell", however people seem open minded due to Co2 levels for air pollution/fossil fuels, so hopefully we can stabalize our population levels as well, but for most forum posters and such, it could be dangerous for us because the societies we live in will reject our words even though they are the truth. Corey | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 09-2008 |
Overpopulation side effect? http://news.aol.com/article/cats-butchered-in-china-draw-protest/280994 Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 511 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings to All Honorable Members Global Overpopulation is an issue upon which we each may have valuable input. Whether we act in a coordinated manner, or take individual action, all support is very much appreciated. The moral support of members is as helpful here as the generation of ideas, the writing of letters, or contributions of time or money. ALL are needed here in this effort. It has been said = "give me a lever long enough, and I can move the World." If we each and all apply strength to whatever lever is manageable for us, our efforts will count for some value to raise awareness, to get things moving, to push the world just a little in the right direction. Upon my own responsibility, I have written to the United Nations at...: HRSU-Humanitarian Reform Support Unit OCHA - Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs United Nations Email: hrsu@un.org The following short letter...: ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Honorable Members The Global Overpopulation is at the root cause of all other problems on Earth. Limited resources of every kind will not support the huge Population. Wars, crime, shortages, pollution, starvation, diseases, all the social unrest, the anxiety among all the people, can be directly attributed to the Global Overpopulation. Births of children should be limited to ONE per family for the next ten or dozen years. All Nations on Earth must cooperate in an effort to solve the problem of Overpopulation. This should be considered as a high priority Directive of the United Nations. Counter-incentives should be implemented for those nations which will not comply. Please take this suggestion under serious advisement in your Councils. Thank You. With respect, Rod Morrill ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ More letters to hrsu@un.org will get their attention. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 10-2008 |
Good for you Rod, No action can be useless when it is done with a good heart. If more would act in such regard the effort would be multiplied and magnified. Unfortunately too many here see any concerted efforts as rushing evolution. Peace to you, Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 10-2008 |
Gaia, In a democracy one needs to have a consensus before there will be any opportunities. To impose anything in a democracy is only done covertly so the people are not aware of it. So there are two options: First, to create awareness to garnish support. Second, to devise a covert effort to attack the problem. IMHO, the only way those who care will ever create an opportunity to tackle this issue will be to act with cunning and clever disguise so as not to attract attention to the effort and evade the opposition. Sincerely, Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 515 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** OH Oh O-no Hunter, [ "Second, to devise a covert effort to attack the problem. ... IMHO, the only way those who care will ever create an opportunity to tackle this issue will be to act with cunning and clever disguise so as not to attract attention to the effort and evade the opposition." ] I must SERIOUSLY take exception to THIS idea. We must NOT be using the same tactics as those churches, politicians, and other such nefarious manipulators of opinion. Our Initiative in the Action Plan will have to be Open and above-Board. Also, take a look around the World - there are probably fewer People in Democracies than otherwise. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 520 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All, Yet more Reason to press forward on the problem of Overpopulation...: "You might wonder why then there are so many people who are idiots or halfidiots, etc or backwards... "The answer is rather complex, it lays in the fact that the Earth is massively overpopulated which results in an unnatural and forced incarnation cycle, in which Spiritforms who are still busy to process their knowledge and they are forced by the collective consciousness to incarnate into a body in which they dont really belong. "This results in people with troubled lives, with their sexual identities mixed up, drugsproblems, a lot of psychological illnesses. "Overpopulation is responsible for degeneration of the genetical quality of humans in general, which exhibits in many things like decreased fertility (decreased sperm counts in men, abnormal sperm, which is caused by chemicals that are put in the Earth atmosphere by all those billions of people), vulnerability to illnesses, cancers, genetic mutations in many forms, brain damage, etc "Spiritforms who incarnate in such hindered bodies often seem on the outside fully idiotic or half idiotic, but the factual truth is often that the Spiritform is virtually halted in its evolution since its body cant fulfill its task of evolution." From Phaethonsfire (Jacob) posted (#38) in the Archives at...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3560.html Saalome Gam Naan Ben Uurda, Gan Njjber Asaala Hesporoona In Peace *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 10-2008 |
Rod, What exactly do you mean by pressing forward? Are we not being taught here to attack this issue on a purely individual scale where we only influence our family members? You do not want to rush evolution, do you? This was a poor attempt at sarcasm, I know. But seriously, it seems to me that there is a tendency here to be vague about exactly what degree of action should be taken to deal with this issue. Some feel that mankind will only come around through a slow process of family -changing, one at a time, and others think that varying degrees of action are appropriate, from writing letters to government offices, to interacting with other, already established, activist groups. And then, when a suggestion is made that we should consider every possible option that can be conceived, given the urgency and possible results of immediate inaction, there is a large outcry of impossibility or non interference. What exactly are your thoughts? Sincerely Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2008 |
You take a precarious position , Ed . You carry on about everyone giving you permission or agreeing to your plan to speed things up , but are you a passive member of FIGU ? Maybe that would be a first step for you , after much cart-before-the-horse speak from you . But you would be one of those people who want to operate from outside of the group , of course , so you wouldn't have to face rejection of your agendas from the group itself . You're wanting to join or form some kind of non-official figu task group that makes it's own decisions . It's too bad that you have neither learned about how things really work . It's wishful thinking that all you need is enthusuiasm and set your "horses out to gallop" to be effective . Much damage can occur that way , especially these days , when people are really not listening to anything fully , or taking the time to understand what they've almost heard . Regards , Mark | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Mark,, I am really not sure what I am saying that causes you to come to these conclusions, but let me clarify. First of all, I could not consider myself a passive member of FIGu as I am not in agreement with some of the teaching at this point. So I am certainly not in any mind to start some sort of sub group or use their name in anything that I would propose. So I would certainly be operating from outside FIGU anyway. Secondly, I am not looking for permission or approval at all, and as a matter of fact given the stand that many here have taken, I expect the opposite. That is not to say that I should not be able to voice my thoughts on what I think would be good tactics and effort. Or hope that FIGU might be able to have a change of thinking on particular issues. Can I have an opinion without being accused of some deliberate attempt to stage a coup against BEAM? As for wishful thinking, the calvary will hardly be effective if they remain in the stalls all day long. I know there is a need for strategy before the charge, but isn't strategy exactly what I have been calling for? Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 574 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hunter, I'm beginning to cause myself suffering when I contemplate how seemingly blind you are to a simple truth. Fix the world nearest to you, then expanded this success outward with your new learned skills. Cart-horse. A proven design worthy of its tradition. Carrots on sticks are to advanced at this moment. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 10-2008 |
Shawn, Thanks again for the kind words. How does one know that it is too soon for the carrot when one is not even willing to try the carrot because they think it too soon? Exactly what is this simple truth that you think i am blind to? Hunter "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 09-2007 |
Using the “battle” figure of speech, the ones on the other side of the trench – religious conservatives, who else – have cunningly devised a campaign in line with their no-contraception, “God told us to breed and multiply”, “lets grow in number or else “they” will be in majority”, “let’s explore this planet to the maximum and then we’ll move into another” values. It presents a suggestive name coupled with a gloomy illustration:  ................................................................................................. Population control advocates could create similarly effective memes to spread into our collective psyche… David | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 523 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Friend Hunter, You ask: [ "You do not want to rush evolution, do you?'" ] Did you NOT UNDERSTAND what Jacob wrote.?...: "Overpopulation is responsible for degeneration of the genetical quality of humans in general..." "...the Spiritform is virtually halted in its evolution since its body can't fulfill its task of evolution." This means YOUR Evolution, MY Evolution, ALL Evolution on this Planet is affected by the Overpopulation. In your next incarnation, everything may look a LOT different. You might be driving a Bus in this Life, capable of reading, writing, thinking &c. Go to the store for Groceries, open the tap for clean water, have all this now. Are you Thinking what you will find in your VERY NEXT Incarnation? What your children will have? With the rapid collapse in the Social Order, Genetic attenuation, Global starvation, &c, &c, &c, caused from Overpopulation. You could be digging Grubs for food, no education if Schools collapse, using a rock as a weapon to keep others from stealing your firewood. Unable to even think clearly due to malnourishment - the concept of Evolution will NOT even enter your mind then. Rush Evolution? No... Exactly What I mean by pressing forward.!!! *** * You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 576 Registered: 07-2004 |
Pathfinder, Maybe I have overlooked your past postings on how you educated your family about the actuality of over population on the planet. Then I also may have overlooked your efforts in organizing your community on creating a campaign to educate the area in which you live. I also quite possibly missed some other post how you described leading neighboring communities to join in your now very organized community in over population awareness. All the schools that you probably involved in this endeavor, I missed that post too. Then I must of missed your other post where you were able to gather support from potential corporate sponsors and then missed your posts how your now ready to open up a regional chapter to educate an entire state/province/etc. If I have done any of these things, my bad. Now if I have been spared this actual over sight and get my day in court I will be vindicated. Vindicated is a terrible word here, as it means no work has been done in your community towards educating them on over population. So, please disregard my laziness and let me know which part I over looked and we can go from there. Otherwise you may want to consider joining a organization that is already moving forward and help from that position. Talking with me is not the most progressive path in this case. I guess at this point, I'm the brickwall. Even though discussing over population is one of my topics I always manage to bring up when a conversation of any length takes place in my world. Two cents and change coming. The pay is lousy here but the jobs are plentiful, ehh? I fly low and avoid the radar, you may need to be more exposed and as such maybe a hot air balloon with your message on it could work. I'm actually serious. Get a corporate sponsor to pay for the equipment and stage events that bring media to report about it. Down to two cents now. I feel less worthless now. If you need me I'll be in my office. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thank You David, This is exactly what I have been trying to say! Fight fire with fire! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks once again for the kind words Shawn, however I did not hear an answer to what truth you say I am blind to. The enemy is out there Shawn, I am not the enemy and am only voicing my opinion on concerns that we both share so i really don't understand why you make an effort to degrade me in here. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 579 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ed-Pathfinder-Hunter, All three of you will be allowed one last attempt at breaking through a simple reality. There is one catch though. I need to know at what level you've penetrated your community with the educational awareness program you built up while teaching your family, friends and co-workers of over population. If you haven't, then any information about what I am hiding behind your virtual back, while actually leaving it in plain sight, must be kept at the super sekrit top clearance only department. There are no enemies by the way. It's these old barbaric ideals that tend to tell me the known unknowns you are knowingly unknowing about, but sekritly know. As far as "degrading" goes, that is your term not mine. I can't find any grounds for such a reply. Stop imagining things to use for distracting from the needed information I request. I kindly wait your reply. Last chance also, as I have a village to save. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2008 |
Well Shawn, Your evasion of my questions by trying to place some sort of onus on me serves no benefit to our discussion, so I will have to assume that you are not taking this seriously. If you ever want to actually discuss the issue without the evasion tactics we can chat. Or is it really as simple as me just playing the game and saying yes, that I make a concerted effort to educate those around me with every chance I get, and then you will believe me and than we can talk. NO? I didn't think so! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 535 Registered: 10-2007 |
. .. Hunter, Have you read Contact #1 yet? Go do it .. . You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod |
