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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 1583 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eduard, I think you were referring to Contact 241 February 3, 1992, in which the roles of male and female are slowly altering and degenerating. Ptaah stated the reason for this in part was "Numerous environmental pollutants endanger every life form and slowly destroy everything. In particulate and gaseous form, poisons of all types are inhaled or absorbed through the skin by all life forms, which leads to impairment or confusion of the consciousness. This causes a drastic coordination impairment of the consciousness and this, in turn, hampers the thinking and emotional processes. For the affected life form this results then in atypical manner of thinking, feeling, and acting in total contrast to its normal behavior" Regards Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 372 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello All, In consideration of the Female experience of Pregnancy. I can only relate from Being the Father in bringing forth Six Progeny into the Earth (this before my awareness of the Overpopulation Problem). I was Present in the Birth and Delivery of Five of these. I DO NOT ENVY that which the Woman must endure. For about the last Six-Months of Pregnancy, the Internal Organs are Compressed. She needs to Eat More for Herself AND to provide Nutrients for the growing Baby. But there is LESS room in the Stomach, so She need to eat Less at more Frequent Intervals. Her Bladder and Bowels are also compressed, is as the Heart and Lungs. She experiences significant Shifts in Hormone Values During AND After Pregnancy. As a consequence of this, She will get a little Irritable from Time to Time. The Delivery Process Itself is a VERY STRESSFUL Ordeal, which requires a Lot of Strength and Support. The best Position for Delivery, is for Her to Half Stand and Half Squat while hanging on to an overhead Structure. From this Position, Gravity will Assist the Birthing. Unfortunately, in most Hospitals, the Woman is made to lie back with Her Feet up in 'Stirrups' for the procedure. This Position makes the Birth MORE Difficult that it needs to be. In consideration of our Spirits being Neutral, ALL of Us will have this Experience for ourselves in some of our Lifetimes. How else could We obtain to True Empathy? Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1225 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott..... Yes, I am familiar with what you posted. What I mentioned, was not from Ptaah. What I mentioned was from an interview with Billy, and how the animal life is even 'copying' what we humans do. It was at the time, I think at one of PRO Billy sites; where there was a detailed interview with Billy. And with the knowledge...Billy being a very great bird lover, as some of us know. Thus, would make sense him saying this; and using as example(birds). So, this was how it was linked, what he said. To me, very Logical Billy stating this, of course. Animals can just be as sensitive in picking up our traits and habits, just like any other animals can do...in due time. Animals also DO...SEE what we humans do. And if they see an anomaly....of course...this may 'confuse' them. And so, this processing will be quite confusing for them to digest and will just mimic it through their - instinct - senses, at some point in time. And there have been documentaries which I have seen, which also implicate to the mentioned above(: Mimicking Humans, and how the animals act, are not how they used to act in the male/female relationship, in their Natural mode; which was alarming to them(researchers).). Which was just a Confirmation of what Billy said...for me. So, scientifically...this has already been verified and confirmed. So, Billy: Hit The Nail...on that one! But still...thank you for your input. Edward. | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2008 |
This is directed specifically toward Pathfinder's post under Races, Racism, and Rights where he states: 'Also in Mossbruggens book the lifestyle of the Plejaren is clearly laid out and reveals a lifestyle of male and female marriage, practicing abstinence until the age or 70 and no sex before a marriage. It is clear that Pleajaren marriage is male to female only, according to the laws of nature all around us.' This is categorically untrue and a very obvious example of why one must understand what is being said in the German originals lest they misinterpret the English. Billy distinguishes between an act of gratification and an act of procreation, with only acts of procreation being considered true sex acts. This is a very good example of why English must be refined or else all translations must always be accompanied by the original German, as there is no distinction in English between a sex act which simply results in gratification of oneself/one's partner, and a sex act that results in procreation. Billy states that every (non-degenerate) form of sexuality practiced on Earth is also practiced by the Plejaren -- this includes female homosexuality, bisexuality, male homosexuality, anal intercourse, vaginal intercourse, oral, etc. He also makes it clear that there are many Plejaren humans who do not ever marry -- but that certainly doesn't entail that they are celibate their entire life. What is true is that the Plejaren do not condone two people having children outside of marriage, and they do not generally marry until at least the age of 70 -- as well as all marriages being based on a bond of true love which must be proven for several years prior to the couple marrying. As can be observed in nature, females possess the ability to reproduce without the necessity for a male, although all offspring resulting from this kind of parthenogenesis will be female. Males cannot do this. Thus, it is not male homosexuality which is an abomination to nature, but rather the genetic modification of males in order to allow them to bear children (which would all be male) which is. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 680 Registered: 10-2000 |
Can you cite where the info about the Plejaren indulging in male bisexuality or anal intercourse is found? Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings in Peace, Gaiawingz, Thank You for pointing out the clarification. I had been researching also to find relevant information on the Plejaren perspectives on sexuality. I have found the following Passage from Bulletin 002 for additional reference: (Also for attention to Pathfinder), [ "Homosexuality is a natural, anti-nature type of sexuality that is not prohibited through any natural, Creational law and directive. It is normal and natural --- albeit anti-natural due to the lacking capability of reproduction. Certain genes and their characteristics determine sexuality, hence homosexuality as well. Genes and their characteristics, in turn, are a minute particle of nature and are, therefore, subject to the natural laws and directives. This, then, means that nothing can be against nature if it is permissible in nature, indeed produced by it. Consequently, homosexuality is a natural type of manifestation whose anti-naturalness is simply based upon the lacking procreation possibility. Furthermore, because homosexuality is a natural manifestation, that is nature given, it cannot and must not be considered, judged or condemned as degeneration, unnatural and depraved, nor looked upon as disgusting or a transgression against the laws of nature and humanity. What must be considered as being against nature's laws and as unnatural, however, is the sodomitic degeneration of homosexuality and bi-sexuality, that is, the sexual gratification by humans with and on animals of all types. This form of sexuality has singularly and exclusively developed from human thinking and fantasies, whereby Man is capable of even influencing the characteristics of genes to generate this uniqueness within himself.' ] Further, those males among the Plejaren which do engage in male to male sex, are not condemned. If those among them CHOOSE, the Plejarens have techniques which can reverse such practice, but no one is forced - they are tolerated without prejudice. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 06-2006 |
To add to what has already been offered, however, questioning Rod's last two lines: Further, those males among the Plejaren which do engage in male to male sex, are not condemned. If those among them CHOOSE, the Plejarens have techniques which can reverse such practice, but no one is forced - they are tolerated without prejudice. Rod, I am not sure if these are your words or not, however, this passage from 'Aus den Tiefen es Weltenraums' p. 235, basically says that homosexuality no longer exists in Plejaren society, as the gene responsible for it was removed along time ago. This section is discussing the abstinence of sexual intercourse for the first 70 years: Diese Enthaltsamkeit jedoch bezieht sich nur auf die sexuelle Vereinigung mit dem andern Geschlecht, was aber nicht bedeutet, dass Homosexualität unter den Männern in Erscheinung treten würde, denn diese existiert bei den Plejadiern/Plejaren schon seit Urzeiten nicht mehr. Da Homosexualität eine genbedingte Angelegenheit ist, wurde diese durch eine entsprechende Genmanipulation aus dem menschlichen Leben verbannt, jedoch nur weil sie eine naturerscheinende Anomalie bedeutet, nicht etwa weil sie verwerflich wäre, wie leider viele Erdenmenschen annehmen und dadurch die davon Befallenen belästigen, beschimpfen und harmen, was auch eine besonders verwerfliche Eigenart der Erdenmenschen ist. It is difficult when various sources say this and others say that, and then readers presume things, or speculate, and write it as though fact -- that is to do with disciplined study, and something we could all keep in mind. Conflicting reports do arise every now and then, so, these maybe could be noted, and then a query sent to Figu for enlightenment. Robjna | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2008 |
I am giving this further scrutiny before i add any permanent comment as I want to know the facts and avoid arguing personal opinions on any matter. knowledge is what I seek, not agendas. Someone in a recent post decsribed my feelings on the matter more accurately when they suggested that it is a private matter and should be kept behind closed doors anyway. However my personal feelings are not important and neither are those of somone who may be personally affected by such circumstances. What matters is that said circumstance is dealt with according to the creational laws and directives and knowledge of truth is gained in the experience. This is what every spirit strives for. from what I can see through a quick study is that Billy is suggesting that although it may be natural for genetics and reincarnation forced ahead of its time due to overpopulation to create a disturbed situation where homosexual desires can occur in a male, it is still an act against natures laws when one male tries to procreate with another male. Therefore it is natrual for a homosexual male to act according to how he has been designed, even though flawed for some reason, but it is an unnatural act to engage in procreation with the same sex if you are male. i will want to study this further to see how much more actual truth is available. However having said that I would like to say that we have certainly been taught to seek truth in creation around us, and that we would know creation through our logic recognition abilities. Certainly when I look to creaion what I see occurring naturally is male and female mating for the procreation purposes, and I see male and female human pairs in most cases mating for life. Homosexuality would be the exception. I also realize that naturally, I would recognize a creational directive here, if not a law, and that would be to make sure that the human continues to exist through procreation which can only happen between male and female. in other words, if every male chose to engage only in homosexual acts, and females were not impregnated, human life would cease to exist. That would be the natural logic applied here for all to understand. After applying that logic, we then would understand that creation would suggest a directive toward the mating of female to male to avoid such an abhoration to creation as the extinction of human life. we are told to use our logic to seek out the creational directives, and this would appear to be the path to me until I am shown differently by further logic and truth. Which I turn to now for further education and wisdom on the matter. Having said that I will not be swayed from the facts by accusations or personal relationships. Our priority should be the facts and the laws of creation, not the feelings of our brothers and sisters. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2008 |
To Gaiawingz In the book "And Still They Fly", on page 34, paragraph 3 under Marriage, it states, QUOTE "A s a rule, the Errans practice sexual abstinence until that age(70)in order to give undivided attention to their spiritual development."UNQUOTE this whole portion is discussing the lifestyles on the Plejaren and same sex relationship is not mentioned once. And we all know how physical gratification, sexual or not, can certainly distract attention away from the spritual. Again it would just seem that when logic is applied here, the creational directive would be to avoid homosexualy activity for more than one reason. I will search for further truth on the matter though and consider what you have to input IF you show your sources of information and show it is not simply personal misinterpretation. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2008 |
With regard to sexuality I see brief reference to it by Billy where he attempts to discuss the differences between sex as gratification, and sex as the act of procreation. And where it is acknowledged that anything that disturbs the natural condition of natural sexuality, be it a genetic disorder or evolutionary disturbance, would also cause the afflicted's acting out, according to their affliction, to be natural, based upon their affliction. In other words, if a cat is only born with three legs than its is natural for it to walk with a limp. This does not mean that if walking with a limp is against the laws of creation, that it is no longer against such a law simply because it is an affliction, and natural to limp when afflicted. It would still be against the law. This is not to say that there is a creational law against homosexuality or not, this is just stating that what some here are using as evidence that Billy supports it, is not what I have gleaned from that particular material. Maybe there is further evidence, but to this point I do not see it anywhere here. Otherwise the only other references I see by searching the FIGU sites is discussions of a personal opinion on the matter by members here. And personal opinion is distracting from the facts. Therefore I will walk in the spirit and strive for oneness with creation by taking the course that logic leads. And when I am confronted with fact and truth, than logic will reveal it to me, and should one of you reveal fact before me I will see it. From the Plejaren I am seeing that we are being taught to strive for spiritual perfection. We are being taught that the physical is merely material passing away. And thus we are being taught that striving for the spiritual means doing so with every waking minute, and every conscious experience. Does this mean that we are never to experience sex in our incarnate lives? No! But it does mean that anything that we do experience in our physical lives should be in accordance with, and enhancing our spiritual selves. So the question would be asked, does the act of sodomy or homosexuality create a situation where one's spirit is being adversely affected by their physical actions? This is what is supposed to really matter to us who strive to be constantly perfecting creation, is it not? As Semjase has clearly stated, "Within the human, there should reign a continually conscious feeling of belonging to what is creative, with his essential spiritual breath, his essential spiritual BEING. It shall be spiritually clear to him that his essential spiritual BEING is inseparably one with what is Creative, in order that he may-in this awareness-overcome the material outer world."UNQUOTE Semjase also goes on to remind us that the material world is temporary and fleeting, and that it is only the spirit that remains forever. As creative spirit we must constantly, in everything we do, in every breath we take, strive to overcome the material and perfect the spiritual. She also goes on to teach that : "Therefore the human being shall be spiritually great and constructive at all times. The spirit, the source of all endless, creative development, is itself the human's innermost being. The human outer being is full of limitations, because it is not itself, but only its wrap, its material body, a limitation, a misleading matter, the source of toil and pain, (and it is) limited regarding cognition and will, willingness to make sacrifices, freedom, love and luck. If the human looks at his fellowman in an external, material way only, he sees nothing other than just exactly the form and figure, the material of this special person."UNQUOTE From this teaching I can see that how we relate to the physical aspects of our material lives must be in concert with our creational spirit at all times. constantly. And logic tells me that sexual gratifcation and promiscuity for the sake of gratification would not be in accordance with the perfection of the spiritual, but only satisfies the material. What is gained by the spirit in an act that is solely meant for the self gratification of one's bodily functions? It does not take a great deal of spiritual wisdom to answer that question in your own hearts. How are you looking at your fellowman if your action is based upon the act of bodily function satisfaction? That is as Semjase says, 'looking at him in an external way', and you see nothing of the inner spirit of the person who is supposed to be so special to you. So, is this a condemnation of homosexual relations? No, because the same can be applied to heterosexual realtions. But the teaching does condemn sex for the sole act of gratification. And the teaching certainly implies that any sexual act must be in accordance with spiritual perfection, if we are constantly with every breath striving for such. Every action, of every minute, would include the time during sexual activity. So I ask you, during the action of sex, are you being spiritual about it? Can you fight the urge to merely satisfy the body and find spiritual presence there? can you overcome the material aspect of it by looking at your mate as a spirit instead of a casing. And with regard to your own body will you play with the cardboard box that contains the actual object, ignoring the object itself just because the cardboard feels good to the touch? I say to you all, that the human who is constantly seeking after truth and wisdom, is as Semjase teaches us also perfecting love, for where there is wisdom there is love, and without love there is no wisdom. Therefore, being constant in our striving for wisdom and knowledge and love, we must incorporate this into our sexuality as well. Where is love in the act of self gratification? And where is love in the act of sex for the sole reason of physical gratification? I will state that love between two people, regardless of their gender, is to be considered a wonderful thing, and a fragment of creation, and where there is love there is also wisdom and truth. Gender has no ability to remove love from the picture. But how that love is expressed between the loving couples does alter the spiritual aspect of it, if it only desires to simply gratify the material forms, and does nothing to perfect the spirit, for which they are constantly striving. A spiritual connection between two lovers, engaging in a sexual act, can only be acheived if they are aware of the spiritual aspect of their union at the same time. It must be more than mere physicality, and it must be morally in tune with creation around them as well. Wanton sexual acts in the public streets is not in tune with a spiritual act of love. Expletive discussion of your intimate act with your loved one is also not in accordance with spiritual creation. Wholesomeness and intimacy must be maintained to avoid the crudeness of material gratification. Whoring and promiscuity have no place in a spiritual realm. Whatever the gender of two lovers, keep your intimacy intimate, your sexual encounters attuned to the spirit, and walk and love as spirits, and not deluded into seeing each other as attractive casings. Always act in acknowledgment that creation is watching your every move, and listening to your every thought. That everything you do is supposed to be building up the creation, that the spirit which you are, is a fragment of creation at all times, continually, eternally. And that when you act materially, you bring nothing to creation. As Semjase says : "He ( the human) shall recognize that even in the vast, infinite and open space the eyes of that which is creative are directed towards him, and that Creation is the true intelligence that sees him with those eyes which keep everything safe and are endowed with a sense, and which are able to answer everything. Therefore, he shall live consciously-spiritually under the eyes of that which is creative; he shall live with the consciousness of that which is spiritual, that is infinite power, of which he must always be aware. Then he can never be weak."UNQUOTE Therefore, is homosexuality against the creative laws or directives of nature? I would say that is no more against creation than heterosexuality when that is also done in ignorance of the creative spirit. Is homosexuality unnatural? Of course it is. We can logically see the natural all around us. I think what really matters is that whatever we do in our human forms, is done in respect of the spirit creation that we are. And that as long as we live in the spirit, gender has no place there. We must display honor and respect for what should be holy, and holy being anything that perfects the spirit. Sex should be an intimate act of love between two lovers who strive to love each other as spirits, and not gratify each other as mere boxes. Edward "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 382 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Greetings in Peace, For some here seeking additional knowledge, this section from Bulletin 002 (emphasis added) provides more resources: ["Regarding the charge that the Talmud Jmmanuel and FIGU are hostile toward homosexuals, we would like to state that this, too, is a vile defamation. Neither FIGU nor its texts or books are written with any form of hostility in mind. We must admit, however, that certain passages in the book could conceivably give the uninitiated reader an impression of hostility against homosexuals. Such may be the case because passages from the Talmud Jmmanuel were taken from and then reproduced in the ancient script form, which originated at a time when humanity was still lacking in higher knowledge and understanding of these concerns. Consequently, their explanations could not be interpreted in a way that would allow everyone to understand them; even the scribes, philosophers and other highly educated individuals had difficulty with them. The language format and contents of the text have been adapted to the understanding of the people from that era and later everything was reproduced accordingly in the identical format provided in FIGU books. We had no intention of leaving the material in this form, for from the very beginning we also wanted to publish its indispensable and profound explanations according to modern Man's understanding. And this was accomplished. These explanations to the text, however, are contained in works other than the Talmud Jmmanuel or the OM. It is unfortunate that the slanderers do not read these other texts with the more profound explanations, otherwise they would have a different opinion of these matters --- albeit, the question arises whether their intelligence allows them to understand the explanations in the first place, those printed in the Wassermann (Voice of the Aquarian Age) #91; in Contact Report # 182, Block 12 of February 3, 1983, pages 2324-2326, sentences 305-327; as well as in the 24-Question reply and in Contact Report # 248 of February 3, 1994. Additionally, an extensive explanation is given in the Spiritual Teachings, Lesson #121, that states the following: Homosexuality and How Does it Come About? Homosexuality - a Natural Occurrence Against Nature Homosexuality is a natural type of sexuality that is against nature. "Natural" and "against nature" mean that homosexuality is a type of sexuality which manifests itself in a natural manner but cannot serve the law of nature through reproduction. For this reason this type of sexuality is against nature's law, respectively naturally anti-nature. Homosexuality is a genetically-induced type of sexuality and, as a consequence, is considered to be natural; however, it must be classified as anti-nature due to the inability of the participants to reproduce the species. Hence, homosexuality is called a natural, but antinature type of sexuality."] http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_002 Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 383 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, Again, like a Dog with a tasty new Bone, You refuse to let the matter drop... Then, like that same Un-House-Broken Dog, proceed to Crap all over everything in the House; whereby You crap on the sensibilities of those among us who seek to even greater Truth. The Truths of Spiritual Growth bring us into Tolerance of ALL our fellow Human Beings. I see that the Spirit of Creation is the true Presence in the Earth. I see that this Presence IS Manifest AS the Spirits of the Human Beings, each and every ONE of which is on it's Own Path of Evolution. Each and every One has chosen a series of Particular Lessons and Hardships and Experiences for It's Growth. This continues for Each and every One through Countless Manifold Lifetimes, through countless Reincarnations in a 'period of Time' from 60-Billion to 80-Billion Years. (Hardly a 'sneeze' of 'Time.') You speak of: [ "physical is merely material passing away" ], and [ "that the material world is temporary and fleeting." ] This is true from the Perspective of Viewing Material Life from OUTSIDE of the Material, that is, when we are IN the Spirit's Sense of the Endless NOW - Outside of 'Time.' Very few among us have achieved a State of this Perspective. (Not Germane to this Discussion, but I have Experienced this State in Meditation.) I have also learned to see that the Entire Material Universe is the LIVING EMBODIMENT of Creation. So, even that 'cardboard box' (of the bodies we inhabit) is imbued with the Spirit of Creation. The Atomic Structure of which our Bodies is composed, IS= ALL OF IT IS ENERGY = Alive, Intelligent, Conscious, Aware = Creation Energy. You State: [ "...would also cause the afflicted's acting out, according to their affliction, to be natural, based upon their affliction." ] (Emphasis added). Your Prejudice, Judgement and Bias, as an "uninitiated reader," are hanging out here for all to see. THIS points to some of that 'Excess Baggage' which you carry. This is the 'Bone of Contention' on which You have chosen to Chew. And So then, those Lessons a Spirit has CHOSEN for it's Growth, ARE NOT AN AFFLICTION. THIS is the Connection which you You would be well Advised to make. The References in my just prior Post, quoted from Billy, are 'Leads' for You to follow in Your further Elucidation. You then Ask, and then Answer: [ "Is homosexuality unnatural? Of course it is".] = OF COURSE IT IS NOT.''...: "this, too, is a vile defamation." (-Billy). [ "Billy distinguishes between an act of gratification and an act of procreation...Billy states that every (non-degenerate) form of sexuality practiced on Earth is also practiced by the Plejaren -- this includes female homosexuality...male homosexuality..." ] (Thank You Gaia). "[T]hat homosexuality is a type of sexuality which manifests itself in a natural manner" (-Billy). A short Story in Consideration of my Brother: After I graduated from High School in 1964, I enlisted in the Navy. When I went Home on Leave after Electronics and the first half of Nuclear Power Schools, My Brother had by then enlisted in the Army. I did not see Him again until 1984, when He and I, along with my youngest Brother and three of my Uncles together carried my Father to His Grave. That's when I learned of His sexual Orientation. I tried then, in my Ignorance, to get Him to 'see the Light,' to change His ways. The result was that He cut off any further Communication with me for a number of YEARS. Eventually, He responded to some of my letters & E-mails, but only in superficial ways = how His Business was doing, where He was then living, &c. A 'cool' relationship, but better than nothing. Two Years ago, my oldest Son was hospitalized near Death. I bought Airfare for Myself, My oldest Daughter (His Sister), and My oldest Granddaughter, so we could all be with my Son. I Then Rented a Car and a Lakeside House with 3-Bedrooms, Fireplaces, Canoes, & all the amenities surrounded by some beautiful Forest, near where my Son lived. I also called my Brother, inviting Him, together with His Partner, to join and stay with us in the Lakeside House, which invitation was accepted. During our stay there all Together, I came to know my Brother and His Partner much better. My Daughter and Granddaughter had never met them before this, and we all shared an Understanding of the Deep Love and and Affection they two had for each Other. This was a reconciliation and Growth Experience for All of us. My Son, I am happy to say, recovered very well during our stay. We all enjoyed Canoeing around on the Lake, and the Fireplace chats into the the the long Nights. So, to end here, I wish for You to find some 'Marrow in that Bone,' that may promote the further growth of Spirit. I will say that, otherwise, You are doing very well on Your 'Learning Curve.' Yes indeed, this 'Learning Curve' does get a little 'steep' at times, but does also eventually become more smooth once the Knowledge is assimilated. Keep on with Your Studies. For all we CAN take with us out of each life, IS the Treasure of Knowledge and Wisdom we gain here. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2008 |
Pathfinder; Please visit The Spiritual Teachings - The Application of Natural Logic and make yourself familiar with the quote in my post 12. At the current level of evolution which we each inhabit, being physical beings -- the body and the spirit are equally important to one another. Without the body, the spirit cannot live, and without the spirit, the body is an empty corpse. Let us not forget that male goats will conga-line one another, that the coupling of animals in nature generally resembles rape more than even an effort to attain sexual gratification -- that male rabbits will accost one another sexually (they'll even accost the nearest available duck when under extreme duress), and the same is true for sheep, dogs, etc. Also, don't forget that among human beings, in the western world at least the rate of divorce is roughly 50%, proving false your claim that humans generally pair for life (when they pair) -- and among the remaining 50% or less who do not divorce, who would estimate the number of those marriages in which the one or the other or both partners take additional lovers to their husband/wife? Whoredom and promiscuity are certainly not healthy decisions for one to make, nor is it healthy to obsess or become addicted to sexual gratification. Sharing mutually-satisfying sexual experiences with a person whom one trusts and feels kindred towards, without reproducing, is fully permissible, however. Only a man and woman who have proven that they share a bond of true love should ever be allowed to marry, with marriage being the prerequisite for having children. (Perhaps, to simplify things for those on the Earth, there should be created, essentially, two forms of partnership -- one which is a marriage between and man and woman with the understanding and intent that they will reproduce together, and the other for all men and women, or men and men, or women and women who wish to have the law recognize their partnership, that their chosen lover may inherit their possessions, or make medical decisions on their behalf, etc. but with the understanding that neither will ever bear their own children, though they may be permitted to adopt a child that already exists and is without a home or family.) Also, I notice you using the term 'sodomy' -- you should be aware that Billy and the Plejaren use the term to mean humans having sexual relations with animals, and not simply two humans (male and male, or male and female) having anal sex. Let us not forget, also, that among heterosexual couples, anal sex is a long proven, effective method of birth control, and is not degenerate (unless it is forced from one partner on another against their will). Peace, - Gaia | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaiawingz, Can you please post where your information was referenced, as Michael has already asked. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 384 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, A small Postscript here, to some of Your comments: [ "I will state that love between two people, regardless of their gender, is to be considered a wonderful thing, and a fragment of creation, and where there is love there is also wisdom and truth." ] Well said, a very good bit of Logical Thinking. However...: [ "Always act in acknowledgment that creation is watching your every move, and listening to your every thought." ] My Friend, that's some 'Old-Time Religion stuff.' Think a little more on this, which You wrote here. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2008 |
hi Jrod, I was not aware that discussing a topic for consideration here was considered hanging on or refusing to drop it. i thought we were conversing. it is dropped, unless someone else would like to continue the discussion with me. I have used many quotes from Semjase which you have not acknowledged. I do not know why, but i do feel for you and your experiences. I may be uninitiated to these teachings, but I am open to being taught, however what you have said here has not caused me to rewrite any of my previous thoughts on the matter. I have already addressed the teaching that you use from Billy on the matter, and my understanding of what he has said is exactly what I wrote in a post above. I do not yet see where that is evidence that supports what you are saying. as a matter of fact I think it clearly states that homosexuality is unnatural, although natural for a homosexual to act upon given his affliction. i do notice that some members here, take these matters very personally, and understandably so, but there is no need to resort to defamation the way I have recently been treated by some. if you disagree with me tell me where you disagree and show me the evidence to teach me a reason to undertake a different way of thinking but please keep your opinions of my character to yourself. We are here to learn and perfect our creation spirit through knowledge. Anyone who is only here to bring preconceived opinions to the masses and preach personal ideology without the desire for further learning is not in the appropriate forum. My personal understanding on this particular issue has already been altered by what I have learned through pensive thought, the teaching of the Plejaren and intelligent discussion, which you would have me drop for some reason. so I am not certain of your intent here. Thank You for your time my friend. I will bother you no longer on this issue. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 10-2008 |
hi Scott, in post number 61, paragraoh 14 or so copied here: "I will state that love between two people, regardless of their gender, is to be considered a wonderful thing, and a fragment of creation, and where there is love there is also wisdom and truth. Gender has no ability to remove love from the picture. But how that love is expressed between the loving couples does alter the spiritual aspect of it, if it only desires to simply gratify the material forms, and does nothing to perfect the spirit, for which they are constantly striving. A spiritual connection between two lovers, engaging in a sexual act, can only be acheived if they are aware of the spiritual aspect of their union at the same time. It must be more than mere physicality, and it must be morally in tune with creation around them as well. Wanton sexual acts in the public streets is not in tune with a spiritual act of love. Expletive discussion of your intimate act with your loved one is also not in accordance with spiritual creation. Wholesomeness and intimacy must be maintained to avoid the crudeness of material gratification. Whoring and promiscuity have no place in a spiritual realm. Whatever the gender of two lovers, keep your intimacy intimate, your sexual encounters attuned to the spirit, and walk and love as spirits, and not deluded into seeing each other as attractive casings." ..where I said expletive discussion would you please edit that to say 'expletive discussion publicly'. I do want to sound as though I am speaking of private talk between consenting couples, I of course meant discussing your intimate relations in public. Thank you so much. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 07-2008 |
Meine beste Empfehlung, Kameraden! Yet another Day to our Disposal to seek Knowledge and improve ourselves. Let's pay Heed to Creation, indeed! I have been carefully following the Discussion here. I would like to add a Perspective, which, hopefully, would provide the further Exchange of Views and Knowledge with another Dynamism, Orientation and Content. It is about the Concept 'Being' and what should be understood by 'Being'. I quote: "Sein bedeutet in lexikalem und üblichem Verständnissinn das Vorhandene, das Wirkliche, das, wodurch das real Existierende Existenz hat, das Dauernde, das unbedingt Beharrende, das Beständige, das Bleibende usw." [WARNING: the Following is my literal, unauthorized and unofficial Translation! 'Being means in lexical and usual Sense of Understanding(in common Sense/Notion/Conception/Idea/Interpretation) the Existing, the Real, that, wherethrough (whereby) the real/actual/true Existing has Existence; the Lasting(one), the absolutely/resolutely/firmly/unconditionally Persisting, the Steady, the Remaining/Permanent/fast/Enduring etc.'] "Sein bedeutet für den Menschen einen allgemeinen Begriff für die menschliche Existenz, für das menschliche Denken, Handeln and Fühlen, und für das Leben an und für sich. Mit dem Sein seines Daseins beweist sich der Mensch selbst seine eigene Existenz, wobei die Beweisführung des eigenen Seins in oft sehr skurrilen Formen ausartet, die gar dazu führen, dass behauptet wird, die Existenz des Lebens könne ebensowenig bewiesen werden wie auch nicht die Existenz des materiellen Körpers usw." [Being means for the Human a general Concept/Term for the human Existence, for the human Thinking, Acting/Actions/Deeds/Activities and Feeling, and for (the) Life in and for itself[French: 'an und für sich' = 'en soi et pour soi']. With the Being of her/his Existence/Life, the Human her/himself proves/demonstrates/establishes/substantiates to her/himself her/his own Existence, whereby the Proof/Argumentation/the Way of Testifying of the own Being degenerates in often very ridiculous Forms, which even lead to the Point, that it is claimed/asserted/maintained(One claims) that the Existence of Life could(bold Assumption) just as well be proven/demonstrated/established/substantiated as also the Non-Existence of the material Body etc.'] "Angehörige dieser Scheinphilosophie sind der Ansicht, dass allein die geistige Existenz Wirklichkeit wäre, wie dies der Buddhismus irrtümlich und wirklichkeitsverfälschend lehrt, wenn er behaupt, dass das wirkliche Leben einzig und allein im Nirwana gegeben sei." ['The Partisans/Supporters(those who share, Belong to this Conception) of this illusory Philosophy are of the Opinion(hold the View) that only the spiritual Existence would be(Assumption) the Reality, as(the Way) Buddhism - in a Way, which is erroneous and Reality-falsifying - teaches this(Opinion, View), when(if) it(Buddhism) claims/asserts/maintains, that the true/real/actual Life would be(Assumption) given simply and solely in the Nirvana.'] "Dadurch trägt der Buddhismus viel zur Verwirrung des Tatsachen und zur Verfälschung der wahrheitlichen Lehre des Geistes bei. In Wahrheit ist das Leben in materieller Form ebenso eine nachweisbare, notwendige und beweisbare Existenz wie auch das Leben im Geistigen oder das Leben der Geistform." ['(The) Buddhism therethrough(thus; in so doing) contributes a lot/greatly/largely/much to the Confusion of the Facts and to the Falsification of the True Spiritual Teaching(Teaching of the Spirit). In Truth (the) Life in material Form is just as a demonstrable/visible, necessary and provable Existence as also (the) Life in The Spiritual or (the) Life of the Spiritform.'] "Die Wahrheit der Lehre der Ontologie, der Lehre des Seins, selbst beweist dies, auch wenn hierzu zu anderen, namälich zur geistigen Form des SEINs gegriffen muss. Die unterschiedlichen Auffassungen des Begriffs Sein sind äusserst entscheidend für alle philosophischen Hauptsysteme und für die wirkliche Wahrheit an und für sich, wobei jedoch der Idealismus und der Materialismus die beiden für den Erdenmenschen hauptsächlichen Zweige seines philosophischen Nachdenkens sind. Dessen ungeachtet aber kennt er nicht den eigentlichen Wert des tatsächlichen SEINs, von dem er den Begriff Sein für die materielle Existenz entlehnt hat, ohne sich an den Urwert noch massgebend zu erinnern zu vermögen." ['The Truth of the Teaching of Ontology, the Teaching of the Being, itself proves/demonstrates/establishes/substantiates this, also if, among other Things, the spiritual Form of BEING must be understood/included into this(into The Teaching of Ontology). The different Ideas/Conceptions/Views/Notions of the Category/Concept Being are extremely/highly decisive/critical(in their Importance)/crucial for all leading/main/principal philosophic Systems and for the true/real/actual Truth in and for itself(en soi et pour soi), whereby however Idealism and Materialism are both for the Earth Human the mean Twigs/Sprigs/Offshots/Branches of her/his philosophical Reflection/Meditation/Cogitation. In Spite of this/notwithstanding/Despite he(the Earth Human) does not know/understand/grab the proper/real/ Sense/Meaning/Signification of the real/actual/true BEING, from which(BEING) she/he(the Earth Human) has borrowed/derived/adopted the Concept Being for the material Existence, without she/he(the Earth Human) being able, in a still decisive Way, to remember(her/himself of) the original(archetypical; primeval) Sense/Meaning.'] (Herr Meier: Dekalog, Page 83-84; Chapter: 'Sein oder SEIN - was ist darunter zu verstehen?') On this matter, i quoted exclusively from 'Dekalog', a Book i am currently studying. I would suppose that what is being said here about Buddhism and our mean philosophical Schools of Thoughts could apply to all our Earthly Divisions in 'Left', 'Right' and all the other 'Ism's'. From what i so far read, i understood that the Being is One and Indivisible; It is not necessary the Way we, Earth Humans, usually think It to be, or understand/define it. The Spiritual is as Real and as Important as the Material, the Body. Both should accordingly be taken care of. The Work of Herr Meier is indeed so extensive, so deep; it covers all thinkable Fields of Knowledge and Experience - how could it possibly be otherwise?! - i assume, we, most of the Time, at this Stage, only provisory Understanding of and Views about Its Meaning and Extent could form. If One applies her/himself and keeps on searching, analysing, digging, thinking, One would most likely come across another Work, where a given Question is exhaustively treated and brought into another Light. I therefore do think that it would be good and wise to be prudent and to avoid being categoric in some of our - in good Faith formulated - Statements. Herr J_rod7, Bruder im Geist, Vielen Dank für die Bilder. Echt schön! "Die Farben der Blumen jenes Gartens leuchten in dieser Steinwelt", würde ich sagen. Ich schreibe Sie etwas schon noch. kamerad Zohan, I received the Document you sent. Thanks. I will work on it; you shall soon hear from me. Salome. Adam. | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2008 |
Shawn; Go visit the translations section and read what Matthew has posted. Also, learn German and read the contact notes. Sexuality, and more specifically homosexuality, is discussed multiple times in them. If you are referring to my supposition that there are Plejaren that engage in anal sex (either male-male, or male-female) -- common sense should prevail to have one realize that if the Plejaren engage in the same non-degenerate forms of sexuality that are practiced on Earth... anal sex would be one of them. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 466 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaiawingz, I am asking YOU, where you referenced these statements of yours. I didn't ask for a misdirect. Please simply do a footnote of your source. I'm not accusing you of anything, just a simple direct actual reference. Please. Thank you. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2008 |
Shawn; If the source is one and the same as that to which I have directed you, I fail to see how I have pulled a misdirect. I think you would not appreciate me footnoting my own brain, however, as that would be the logical primary source since it's rather the location of my common sense which leads me to observe reality and draw these conclusions in the first place, without ever having to consult the Prophet. His statements are in concurrence with what I have deduced myself, though, which was why I commented to begin with. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 467 Registered: 07-2004 |
Gaia, So you didn't have a reference UNTIL Matthew saved your extreme deduction. You cannot offer me your common sense as your reference. I do find it odd how you slight Billy Meier with your, "without ever having to consult the Prophet", remark. Any knowledge that involves the, "Discussions on the different form of human relationships that exist on earth", and maintains its source as the German originals as Billy's, needs to have their source available to move the discussion forward. How lucky for you to be backed up by the sudden post of Matthew. So you also have all the contact notes in German, right? That's all you need to say. Give the page numbers and lines involved and be done with me. Is that so hard? Help me out here. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 682 Registered: 10-2000 |
As I recall, male anal sex is not in accordance with the teaching because it is a penetrative act that cannot produce a child, an inseminator-inseminator interaction which isn't in accordance with the teaching or spiritual law. I also think that make-female anal sex is not considered appropriate for the same reason as not resulting in a procreative act, as well as not involving two actual sexual organs. I have to say that I don't have all this handy, going from memory but it certainly is the burden of those claiming that anal sex is in accordance with the laws of Creation to provide their references in the material. We should at least have that to consider and make up our own minds about it. Michael Horn |
