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    Syn Member Post Number: 153 Registered: 04-2007 |
whos this elsie person? They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 754 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi J-rod7, Could you please give us the reference for where these two are found: 1/ wanted to KEEP the nuclear weapons, and 2/ wanted to make a deal with another group for advanced technology, including anti-gravity technology, &c. I'm not recalling what contact they're in. Also, the Plejaren did offer contact to the Carter administration through a letter from Meier, presented to the investigators, who forwarded it to the U.S. government, which turned it down. We mentioned it in the film. Michael Horn | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2008 |
Link for Mr Bloodhound .... lots of buried bones  http://www.ufoinfo.com/ufolink.shtml Cheers. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 10-2008 |
Syn ; The name is Elsi , Elsie is the Borden's milk cow . She had visions , as far as I know , that were relevant to the mission . I didnt realize that she met the Plejaren . What I thought I read about here was that Semjase had a strong connection with her , and gave her telepathic contact . More do I know not . | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 707 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** -Michael, In concern of your question: [ "Could you please give us the reference for where these two are found: "1/ wanted to KEEP the nuclear weapons, and 2/ wanted to make a deal with another group for advanced technology, including anti-gravity technology, &c. "I'm not recalling what contact they're in.'] Please follow through, as this constitutes a logical sequence...: *** *** *** From the 38th Contact, Semjase gives Billy a list of true Contactees. Included in this list is the following name: [ "91/ Wilbert B. Smith / Canada. Had direct contact with extraterrestrials, but according to an order kept strict silence. Became leader of the Canadian Project Magnet." ] OK, so what is Project Magnet? ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Project Magnet Summary: This project was a study of UFOs carried out by the Department of Transport (DOT) in Canada in the early 1950s. It was set up in December 1950 under the direction of Wilbert B. Smith, then a senior radio engineer, Broadcast and Measurements Section. This project was a study of UFOs carried out by the Department of Transport (DOT) in Canada in the early 1950s. It was set up in December 1950 under the direction of Wilbert B. Smith, then a senior radio engineer, Broadcast and Measurements Section. The project was quite small; it used facilities of DOT, with assistance from other government departments, including the Defense Research Board (DRB) and the National Research Council (NRC). The project was an outgrowth of work already being done by Smith and a group of colleagues within DOT on the collapse of the Earth’s magnetic field as a source of energy. It was the belief of many that "FLYING SAUCERS" were operating on magnetic principles and it was thought the DOT work might explain their operation. The program consisted of two parts; (1) collection of high-quality data, analysis, and drawing conclusions; and (2) a systematic questioning of all our basic concepts in hope of identifying a discrepancy which might be the key to a new technology. Smith also developed ideas for measuring the reliability of observational data, and using these measurements to rate the probability that a given report could be accepted as a real observation. In 1952, Smith submitted an interim report, in which he stated that it appeared evident that flying saucers are emissaries from some other civilization and actually do operate on magnetic principles. In 1953, he submitted a further report in which he concluded that we are faced with a substantial probability of the real existence of extraterrestrial vehicles and that such vehicles must of necessity use a technology considerably in advance of what we have. http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1800.htm ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ From this page, is the link to the page: Other Topics, U.S. Presidents & UFOs, Here...: http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/presidents.htm Which page has the link (below) to the following by Dr. Michael E. Salla. (Dr. Salla has some very good credentials, "About the Author")...: These pages are all LINKED, one with the next, not picked at random off the net. Cohesiveness here gets away from speculative 'thrill-seeker' sites.) ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Eisenhower’s 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials: The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact? About the Author Dr. Michael E. Salla has held academic appointments in the School of International Service, American University, Washington DC (1996-2001), and the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96). He taught as an adjunct faculty member at George Washington University, Washington DC., in 2002. He is currently researching methods of Transformational Peace as a Researcher in Residence in the Center for Global Peace (2001-2004) and directing the Center's Peace Ambassador Program which uses transformational peace techniques for individual self-empowerment. He has a PhD in Government from the University of Queensland, Australia, and an MA in Philosophy from the University of Melbourne, Australia. He is the author of Exopolitics: Political Implications of the Extraterrestrial Presence (Dandelion Books, 2004); and The Hero's Journey Toward a Second American Century (Greenwood Press, 2002) and co-editor/author of three other books, and authored more than seventy articles, chapters, and book reviews on peace, ethnic conflict and conflict resolution. He has conducted research and fieldwork in the ethnic conflicts in East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Sri Lanka. He has organized a number of international workshops involving mid to high level participants from these conflicts. He has an academic website at http://www.american.edu/salla/ and is the founder of the website: http://www.exopolitics.org Summary: This paper explores the evidence that the First Contact meeting had occurred with extraterrestrials with a distinctive ‘Nordic’ appearance, the likelihood of an agreement having been spurned with this ‘Nordic race’, the start of a series of meetings that led to a treaty eventually being signed with a different extraterrestrial race dubbed the ‘Greys’, and the motivations of the different extraterrestrial races involved in these treaty discussions. The paper will further examine why these events were kept secret for so long, the significance of the 50th anniversary of Eisenhower’s meeting with extraterrestrials, and whether an official disclosure announcement is likely in the near In 1953 Astronomers discovered large objects in space which were moving toward the Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be Spaceships. Project Sigma intercepted alien radio communications. When the objects reached the Earth they took up a very high orbit around the Equator. There were several huge ships, and their actual intent was unknown. Project Sigma, and a new project, Plato, through radio communications using the computer binary language, was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face to face contact with alien beings from another planet. Project Plato was tasked with establishing diplomatic relations with this race of space aliens. In the meantime a race of human looking aliens contacted the U.S. Government. This alien group warned us against the aliens that were orbiting the Equator and offered to help us with our spiritual development. They demanded that we dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons as the major condition. They refused to exchange technology citing that we were spiritually unable to handle the technology which we then possessed. They believed that we would use any new technology to destroy each other. This race stated that we were on a path of self destruction and we must stop killing each other, stop polluting the Earth, stop raping the Earth's natural resources, and learn to live in harmony. These terms were met with extreme suspicion, especially the major condition of nuclear disarmament. It was believed that meeting that condition would leave us helpless in the face of an obvious alien threat. We also had nothing in history to help with the decision. Nuclear disarmament was not considered to be within the best interest of the United States. The overtures were rejected. [10] The significant point about Cooper’s version is that the humanoid extraterrestrial race was not willing to enter into technology exchanges that might help weapons development, and instead was focused on spiritual development. Significantly, the overtures of these extraterrestrials were turned down. Confirmation that the First Contact meeting involved extraterrestrials who were effectively spurned for taking what might be considered a principled stand on technology assistance and nuclear weapons comes from the son of a former Navy Commander who claimed that his father had been present at the First Contact event on February 20-21, 1954. According to Charles L. Suggs, a retired Sgt from the US Marine Corps, his father Charles L. Suggs, (1909-1987) was a former Commander with the US Navy who attended the meeting at Edwards Air force base with Eisenhower. [11] Sgt Suggs recounted his father’s experiences from the meeting in a 1991 interview with a prominent UFO researcher: Charlie's father, Navy Commander Charles Suggs accompanied Pres. Ike along with others on Feb. 20th. They met and spoke with 2 white-haired Nordics that had pale blue eyes and colorless lips. The spokesman stood a number of feet away from Ike and would not let him approach any closer. A second nordic stood on the extended ramp of a bi-convex saucer that stood on tripod landing gear on the landing strip. According to Charlie, there were B-58 Hustlers on the field even though the first one did not fly officially till 1956. These visitors said they came from another solar system. They posed detailed questions about our nuclear testing. http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1155.htm ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ Certainly, more research is needed. There is TOO MUCH corroborative 'evidence,' besides the 'anecdotal-evidence' for this... ...DESPITE what the Plejarens have told us, and NOT TOLD US - WITHHELD from us. For a reference to ONE of "extraterrestrial races dubbed the ‘Greys’," mentioned by Dr. Salla (in-summary), read Semjase's words in Contact 37, lines 35 thru 44. In the 43rd Contact (see lines 9 & 51 thru 55), Semjase informs there are 'secrets' she cannot tell, AND that there are other ETs involved with Earth which escape the Plejaren ability to monitor. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 415 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Mark, She met one Plejaren... Semjase... when she was retreiving the data sonde. Also, Jacobus heard her voice near the kitchen when she fell and seriously hurt herself... Found other references to Contact 257 with the Plejaren and a failed attempt to contact the USA. C231 and C232 also have references on this subject. I have an aunt Elsie whom I may have referenced rather than a cow... eh eh... | ||
Gordonb Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2008 |
Thank you Rarena for your information, thinking back whilst i read the book, it doesnt read as fiction but something in my mind...maybe its a glimmer of doubt..or my soul is telling me, this is not all true what is written. Is it my own concious telling me this or some deep rooted level headedness/intelegence? GordonB UK "I try my best to do a good deed every day" Salome. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hi Randy ; I think you might find that the woman who met Semjase with the sonde ( was not a FIGU member ) is not the Elsi of the FIGU . The two women and their incidents are unrelated . | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 417 Registered: 10-2005 |
Mark, I think you are right... excuse me... Elsi Schroder the dark haired lady... I was thinking of the FIGU Elsi (former blond) for other reasons... Please excuse me and thanks to Mark for pointing out my error... It is good to have skeptics (Gordon) and others keeping you on your toes (Mark)... to see objectivly is best. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1350 Registered: 05-2002 |
Rod.... Michael asks you a 'simple' question and you are now leading him around the bend! With such LONGGGGGG....story, which indeed...seems to be nothing more FALSE Non Sense; and those you mentioned are known....to be Deceiving LIARS. That is all Mainstream...Rubbish! You are getting TRUE Figu information mixed-up with Mainstream Non Sense! And thus, Create YOUR OWN Concoction of what YOU assume is real, when in truth it is UNREAL. Do NOT...fall for such 'fairy tale' Non Sense! I will stick to what Randy said, which is short an direct to the point..while meeting the man! BTW: Christian mentioned at the Q&A section 'to beware' of Stevens' materials, once again! Which can mean the - opposite - of what is really meant! Best you not do such reading of his materials and than...- Mislead - us all here at this board, eh... One thing we do not want here is: Disinformation! Edward. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 715 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Mr. ed, since no one can teach you how to think logically, you will have to learn this for yourself...eventually *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 767 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Photo, over Ireland; looks like this one went through some trees (jungle?)...:  Photo, (or photoshop?) In a serious discussion from a DIA representative...:  These come with the current post from "Filer's Files" #14...: see www.NationalUFOCenter.com , or at: www.ufofiler.com Peace in Space, and among all beings ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 769 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** The Military Space Command is upgrading defensive capabilities to a perceived threat from beyond Earth...: [ "Space Is a Contested Environment "The military is worried about new threats in space and is now attempting to make its key personnel aware of the threat with a new focus on Space Education: At the 25th National Space Symposium in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Air University officials introduced a new special area of emphasis (SAE) topic called "space as a contested environment" that is being added to US joint military education. "Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen established this special area of emphasis to highlight "the space domain's emergence as an environment where US superiority has been and will continue to be challenged." The Chairman uses SAEs to bring attention to areas of great importance to the joint military community. Air University officials, along with Air Force Space Command and the National Security Space Institute, spent the past year working with military educators and the Joint Staff to develop the space-focused SAE. The fact that space is a contested domain is not new news as senior Air Force officials have been warning of this for some time now." ] Department of Defense analysis's supports these observations. The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report...: [ "Testimony of Mr. John Maynard, Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.) "While at the DIA, I saw some documents that pertained to extraterrestrials. They were code-worded. A normal person reading it may not catch it — it would go right on beyond them. These were top secret documents. I imagine most of them are still classified. A lot of them pertained to Salt 1 and Salt 2 — the strategic arms limitation treaties with Russia. "I also saw pictures of UFOs from — I believe it was called — the National Intelligence Photographic Center [NIPC], over on Hayes Street right there in Arlington. Once in a while an anomaly would show up on the pictures that didn’t belong there — a round object, a triangular object. They were not markings put on the photograph that indicated some place or anything like that. These were above ground. These anomalies came up in certain photographs and things that we received at our office at DIA and, we always thought they were interesting. "You knew that they were not part of something that was placed on the photograph, like a marker. It was not a normal type of object, particularly the oblong ones or the circles or the triangular ones — the triangles were kind of funny, with a rounded corner on the tail end of it. These were taken most generally with the Talent Keyhole Satellites, and they would show these objects — these UFOs in them. They would be objects from the TK11, TK12 shots that were taken, that showed the anomalies. Sometimes you could actually track it photograph by photograph as it moved across the [sky] — you knew that it moved. "I had a rather interesting incident, not in an organization that I belong to as far as the DIA, but it was an office put within my area at DIA. Since it was in my area of security, I received the code name to go in there and to look at the office. It was called Omni Project…It dealt with radar satellites. I was talking with one of the sergeants over there in a little show room they had, and I noticed the satellite’s positioning. I said, “Now this is supposed to be a system that tracks radar anomalies on Earth, right?” He says, “Yep, that’s what it does.” "So I ask, “Then why are half of them pointed towards outer space, towards the moon, towards areas that are just blank space?” I said, “At least half of those satellites that you got up there aren’t looking at Earth — well what are they looking for?” He says, “Well you got to have a need to know to know about that.” I said, “I see, in other words, who’s coming?” And he says, “We don’t know.” I just thought it rather odd that they were tracking stuff from outer space. "I also did work with the Camp David accords and assigning the SR-71s, the Blackbird, to map the Sinai, and there were several reports at that particular time that the Blackbird had been accompanied by something that wasn’t from this Earth. The photos of the Sinai would show anomalies that weren’t part of the terrain, weren’t part of the people, weren’t part of the atmosphere. Page 424 “Disclosure Project” http://www.disclosureproject.org/ " ] From "Filer's Files" #14, links in prior post. Peace on Earth, and among ALL beings ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Yoid Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2008 |
Why are there so many UFO videos - looks there are more and more of them.Some of them are fakes, but lots of them are real. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 772 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** There ARE other ET civilizations coming to Earth, more than from the Federation. Many are curious about us. Some come to collect samples of food plants to return them for their own farms. Some come to see if it's possible to exploit resources from Earth. Also many are also our own, produced by the different militaries of our Governments here on Earth. Yes, we do have the technology, which our militaries are not sharing with the rest of us. *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 784 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Dr. Steven Greer, Disclosure Project, interviews with "people in-the-know." This is a 12-part series of interviews, each about 10 minutes, total about 2 hours of HOT information, presented here 3 of 12. [This was a 'toss-up' = woulda/coulda/shoulda post here, or at Current Events] THE FULL RELEASE OF FACTUAL INFORMATION ON UFO'S AND ALIENS Part=1, Interviews disclosure re: Space-based Weapons systems...: 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdyxqUVw-Q&NR=1 Part=6, Base on far side of the moon discussed, review of photos of proof...: 6) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW_Fpvp1-dM&NR=1 Part=7, Discussion current Zero-Point technology is 'in-hand,' (whose hand? good question)...: 7) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO37mA943G0&NR=1 If you haven't read the book yet: Disclosure, this will be a real 'eye-opener.' Better than a cuppa coffee. Hold on to your chair, and Enjoy ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1372 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Yoid.... Well, it was mentioned some time back, that the Plejarans conduced a newly investigation of the number of UFOs were sighted, the last century, and the conclusion was that a Majority were NOT of Extraterrestrial origin! The case was: that the Majority were Interdimensional, Time Travel(: past and future), or other linked Configurations; it be Time or Light, etc. Thus, still within the existing boundaries of our dear planet Earth, and thus not beyond. It is mentioned, that in the past there have been all sorts of crafts with all their own purposes. There were crafts with beings whom materialized in the Earth's atmosphere for pure study, which may hint them to their early primitive evolution process, and there were even beings whom...were here on pure - excursion - bases(: Look and See, NOT intervene), also studying Earth as well as her inhabitants, etc. But most of these civilizations at one time were not conscious of the presence of the Giza Intelligence(and their previous ancient partners), though! If they were in the knowledge of this fact, they may have perhaps KNOWN....WHY...there had been so many Clashes and Wars conducted by the Earth humans. Just as other Extraterrestrial beings were Ignorant to this just mentioned fact, also![Hint: Ptaah, WARNED specific ETs of this existing Malicious group(s), Conditioning and Brainwashing Earth humans for centuries (to enslave them through Cult Religion and to want to RULE over the planet) and up till modern times till they were driven out our system.] And so, those ETs Ptaah warned took off and did not want to contact or mingle with Earth humans, as they initially wanted to; and flew off to an other destination! Thus, those whom say, they have Contact with ETs from outer space(US Government Disinformation Tactics/Propaganda, individuals, etc....), are NOT telling The Truth! Those whom say they do(, having contact...): are being Manipulated, Conditioned and Brainwashed by the Giza Intelligence as even their predecessors also, conducted here on Earth! But, I want to emphasize, that there ARE individuals whom DO have some sort of contact with certain Benign beings, through Telepathy Impulses, though. This related to World War times, to come, if/when they become a reality; these humans will know what to do in such harsh times. So, the above mentioned also, seem to have an interest in our todays Earthly progress, and our Nuclear Age. Just, as the Plejarans have. But, we have to keep in mind, that there are indeed many Fake UFO footage/ clips and so forth ARE circulating on the internet(:[Government] Disinformation, cranks, nuts, fanatics...and go so on!!)! Billy did mentioned that the US as well as the Allied countries can replicate the crafts, but, only aspect is that they can not leave our Earthly atmosphere. [But, perhaps now/today, they may have perfected the technology and can perhaps leave the atmosphere to some height, though?] Thus, in essence...the many footage and clips of UFOs can (as well) be nothing other than US or Allied "Replicas": Confusing us Earthlings! So, it may be a 'Disc/Saucer' craft, but One can NOT say....it is (directly) of Extraterrestrial origin! As long as it is not confirmed! Edward. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 792 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Yoid, To get a "real education" into the truth behind and about this subject, the information presented in the interviews from Dr. Steven Greer will be a real eye-opener. Dr. Greer is a man of the highest Honor and Integrity. The persons (some 400 of them, more or less) which have stepped forward with his Disclosure Project, are equally of the highest Honor and Integrity. Many are former and retired military Senior Staff Officers, Air Force Generals, Defense Intelligence Agency, NATO, Presidential Advisors, CIA, Naval Intelligence, Astronauts, &c. THESE people are NOT delusional, misleading, hoaxers, nor getting paid for their information and testimonies. Testimonies as in: UNDER OATH. Please hear this Part-8 of the Disclosure videos, posted in: >>Current Earth Events. This will certainly answer some questions, if it doesn't blow your mind fuses first. Go to the address in the link there for the ~9-minute video. Click here...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/8853.html#POST39912 Go forward in Peace Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 06-2008 |
What might do the consciousness raising trick is something along these lines ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6rAA30_wkQ Would need a modified & updated message regarding overpopulation, political control by shadow groups, materialism, ecological issues, religion. Only necessary in English speaking countries USA, Canada, GB, Australia, NZ. Other languages will soon get translations plastered all over the web. Hijack every commercial television frequency blocking normal broadcasts for several days. So it's either shut down altogether or broadcast the truth. No need to assign any authorship except "friends of humanity" Cheers. | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi Rod and all friends sorry this video it not available in you tube can some one give me another link somehow? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdyxqUVw-Q&NR=1 Salome Friends | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 04-2008 |
Rod this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW_Fpvp1-dM&NR=1 and this also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO37mA943G0&NR=1 Salome Friends | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 771 Registered: 10-2000 |
Re Vrillon video, I wonder if this was a Bafath production. The link between the name Vrillon and the German Vrill craft caught my attention. Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 807 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Saalam Behzad I hope you are well these good days. I tried all three address to those YouTube videos. All three popped-up just fine. Try to copy (make sure to get the whole string) and then paste into the browser address field, then 'enter' = ought to work for you. If you are trying to type that into the address, many things can go wrong - see some letters are CAPS, some are lower-case, number 'zero' (0) can look like letter 'O', so much better to copy/paste. Ought to do the trick. In Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod |
