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    Pathfinder Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2008 |
Michael and Shawn are both on the right track here. Shawn has been insistent that people offer truthful documentary evidence to support their opinions which finally brings down any opinion made by matthew and gaiawingz. we do not seek opinion here, but discussion of what has actually been provided for us by the Plejaren for the purpose of finding creational truth by applying logic. Which brings me to Michaels statement. My understanding is that in order to discover the truths and directives of creation we must apply logic and search the creation around us for these laws which are apparent in creation. The creational laws and directives are visible and obvious all around us if we observe and apply logic to what we observe. One of you observed a conga line of male goats all mounting each other and suggested that must then be natural because they had it observed in the nature around them and expanded on that to mean then that male anal intercourse is then not an abomination and should be considered as acceptable to society. Well, he may have observed these goats, but did he apply logic to what he oberved. Logic my friends, please do not forget the logic when seeking truths and knowledge. i can go to any zoo and see male monkeys masturbating on the onlookers too. Does that observation mean that should also be accepted as human practice? By your logic I would be living in a world where, when out walking my young grand daughter down the street on a sunny afternoon, I might come across a conga line of men all boinking each other on the sidewalk in plain view, or even masturbating on us as we walk by. I refuse to lower myself to the level of matthew deagle when he resorted to explicit graphic revelation in one of his posts, which I am sure most of you have seen in another thread, but i need to make this point about observation here. What I have just described would be the world based upon the observations and logic of some here. I would not consider this a wise, loving or knowledagble application of their logic in sorting out their observations of creation around them. I think that any grandparent will tell you exactly what he thinks of the morality of that type of observation. Where is the love and wholesomeness of their creation? is all they see in their creation rare acts of instinctive urges based upon bodily gratifcation? Are they not able to separate the spiritual and physical in their creation. One of them said that the spirit and the body are one and should not be separated. Well that is not what I have provided in an earlier post, and they completely ignored the posts I provided from Semjase that tells us that we are to seek perfection of spirit to overcome the material. isnt that why our spirits leave the body to reincarnate again? the body is left behind to rot, and so too should the illogical thinking that, if goats can do it in the barnyard, then men should be able to do it in society. can we as humans, striving to perfect our spirits, not look to creation for wholesome aspects and use sensible logic when deciphering our observations? What do we really see in nature when we apply common sense to our logic? Do we see male goats in a conga line or do we see male and female goats mating for the sake of reproducing their species? That would be the creational law and directive here to take away from an observation at the fenceline of the barnyard. a couple guys down the fence would see a couple of male goats humping each other and conclude that this is now okay for them because that is what they observed in nature. geeesh! I thought we were supposed to be evolving here? When I look at the human population of our world, I see families made up of mothers and fathers, male and female marriages, and intimate sexual encounters kept private because they are intimate. i see young men courting young women and building relationships leading to marriage and ultimately new families. do I see also same gender relationships? of course I do. I also see gay pride parades where the practioners wear leather pants with their bare behinds sticking out and all sorts of inappropriate acts for public display. When I stand at the fence of the human barnyard I am not going to carelessly apply my logic recognition ability to observe the rarer activities in the yard and come away supposing that because I saw one act out of a million, then that act must therefore be considered natural and acceptable for the herd. Logic people, Logic, that is an integral part of our spiritual growth and not to be tossed about as lightly as simple observation without consideration of what we have seen. Michael makes a good point! Are we going to suugest that male intercourse is natural as long as there is no insemination? then does this mean also that we are going to tell gay men engaging in anal intercourse that they are acting within the laws of creation as long as they do not inseminate during the process? this beomes too awkward to even discuss here. will we walk our young children down the road to watch the gay pride parade just because we have 'logically' deemed it natural, or are we going to use a little moral common sense, true logic', and avoid exposing our child to such vile displays of wanton lust. I do not think that two men in the throws of physical lust are going to concern themselves with the insemination factor at that point just to meet with the laws of creation. I also do not logicaly conclude that the conga line of male goats in the barnyard is the natural way of goats reproducing. if two males fall in love and are attracted physically to each other let them have their privacy and choose to act on their attractions intimately without being condemned. But lets not base our laws and directives of creation based upon their choices. we will not disturb then in their bedroom, and we ask them not to disturb us in our streets. When I take my child to the zoo i will avoid going to the cage where the monkeys are violating the observers, and i will also refuse to take my grand daughter to a gay pride parade where men are dressed in drag with their bare butts sticking out and tonguing each other to make a point. Regardless of how some may want to define a law of creation. i will apply my own logic here thank you very much. There are extremes and fanaticisms to everything and if we do not apply logic to see this than we are not applying our intelligence. it should not be lumped into a whole for the sake of the few. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 448 Registered: 04-2006 |
I agree with Michael Horn, i understand male copulation contravenes Creational Law. Seeds (or call it the positive factor/the active factor) cannot be deposited in another positive/active factor. If such process became the norm in the universe, if it would generalize, then the core of it all (reproduction and evolution) would lead to extinction. So male sexuality that is destined to sexual gratification, like fellatio, that's ok. We should distinguish between sexual procreation act and sexual gratification act. A sexual procreation act is always a sexual procreation act, and it has to be considered holy/sacred because it represents survival, continuation, warranty of evolution. Doesn't matter if such sexual procreation act results in creating new life or not. A sexual procreation act represents continuity of life and it must be considered holy/sacred. No dirt, no filth, no excess of violence, no absence of dignity, no frivolity. If a sexual procreation act is sacred/holy, such degenerations like sex with animals can be considered an abhorrence. They destroy the sacredness of a human being as a priviledged creature which is made of the same pure stuff as Creation. Of course, anal intercourse should not be punished by human laws until a majority (90%) of humans understand that such act does not dignify/elevate human beings, but rather do the contrary. When Billy and the plejaren also advice the highest hygiene regarding sexuality (like removing pubic hair and daily wash), this has to do with sexuality being a sacred and holy thing that should be enjoyed and experienced without degeneracies, dirt and filth. This is my current understanding of this complex matter. I can expect some criticism and disagreement to my point of view. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 08-2007 |
Hector, The creationive Bode/Commandment against male 'Homosexuality' is quite literal: we may not create a hybridised all male Race of Humans which is able to reproduce without Females. In other Species in this Galaxy such androgynous, essentially all male Races have been created, with the devastating Corruption that Militaries were formed which were able to conquer and occupy Planets without even bringing Females along, resulting in viral, cancerous, insidious Takeovers by self-multiplying Warriors. The parthenogenetic Offspring of these Warriors become more crass and corrupt with each Generation, eventually losing all Sense of Fine-Feeling and then all Humanity. The Men in Black are an example of a Culture which have elevated an essentially male androgynous Caste to the highest Position in their Society, while using such parthenogenetic Warriors to invade foreign Star Systems in their perverse Quest for Universal Domination. They have also attempted to kill Billy 11 Times. This is the true Cause for this Bode, not that every Sperm is somehow sacred. Sperm are in natural Overabundance due to their Yang Nature. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 08-2007 |
Hector, Furthermore, your Conceptions of 'Hygiene' are unscientific and do not account for the Fact that all inter-human Bodily Contact creates a Scenario of possible Disease Transfer. One must place Anal Intercourse upon the same Level as Kissing, Oral Sex, and Vaginal Sex, in Terms of the Danger of Disease Acquisition. Beliefs to the contrary are simply not supported by the evidential Data which show that Saliva is just as effective a Vector for Viruses and Bacteria as the Rectum. Human Beings should generally abstain from all Sexual Promiscuity and excessive Contact with Strangers, as well as properly clean before and after ALL Sexual and Gratificational Acts. Singling out one Act as 'Dirtier' than the others based upon one's own Beliefs and Childhood Associations does not change the equal Dangers associated with all other forms of Intimate Human Bodily Contact. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 08-2007 |
Michael, I am quite surprised at just how little you seem to know about Billy's stated Opinions when you have known about Billy for so long. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2008 |
Shawn; You missed the point. Both Matthew and the quote he posted, as well as my common sense, are my references for this matter. On top of which, it is not a slight to Billy to suggest that I don't need him to affirm everything I know in order to realize that it's true. After all, does Billy bother to tell any of us that the sun in the sky is the source of light and heat? No. It's not necessary. It's common sense, which anyone can observe if they just pay attention. Beyond which, Billy himself takes great measure to ensure that he cannot be used by lazy-minded individuals as a one-stop reference for everything. Michael; I am concerned with this statement about male-female anal sex being unacceptable because of it, 'not resulting in a procreative act'. Are you seriously suggesting that unless a man and woman are actively conceiving a child, that their sex-acts are categorically unacceptable? Doesn't that seem at all ludicrous to you? If every single sex-act must result in procreation in order to be in line with the Laws and Bodes of Creation, how the hell are we ever going to combat overpopulation? Also, in line with this, should someone who has been sterilized never again participate in a sex-act with another human being because it will never result in procreation? Let's also not forget that the mouth is not a sexual organ. Does oral sex get banned alongside anal sex, too? It's pretty alarming to see that common sense is so uncommon, even among the people present here. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 05-2008 |
I don't see much difference between anal sex for pleasure or 'traditional' sex for pleasure, or giving to ones favorite charity. Its all about self gratification. Giving makes you feel good, so you do it. It can be easily argued that charity is selfish and we are selfish, there's no getting around that. We are all here to improve our lives and ensure our future lives will be better than this one. That is selfish and it is natural. Destroying your neighbor may eventually destroy you. Helping your neighbor may eventually help you. Its all about me. Whatever floats your boat. Personal pleasure is pleasure is pleasure is pleasure. Even if pain is your pleasure, that is your business. Disclosure: I am a heterosexual male and I must say a lot of this talk comes off mighty homophobic. Whats the difference between eating more than one needs for healthy functioning, indulging in anal sex for pleasure, being a nature photographer for pleasure, doing whatever one is into for pleasure, as long as no one is getting hurt? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 386 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Meister Phenix ,Bruder im Geist, Ich freue mich, dass Sie genießen Sie die Bilder. Ich erinnere mich die an Schönheit im New Hampshire, als sie für den Winter sich vorbereitete. Der Anblick und der Geruch der Wälder, bereiten für Schlaf. I have reviewed Your Translation of "The Being." Then, with only a few corrections and changes in Syntax, have Posted the Essence of Your Translation in the Section: » The Mission » Translations. Thank You for the Effort You make in this Translation. Mit dem Wunsch für Ihre gute Gesundheit. Bleiben im Geist des echten Freunds, Ich bleibe, mein Bruder Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 683 Registered: 10-2000 |
Since being able to think for oneself, use logic, and observe all of life so as to understand Creation and its laws is highly recommended, it has been my observation that the male and female genitalia function for the basic procreative sex act. Creation/nature has bound this act up with sexual pleasure as well. These organs also serve an eliminative function of what may arguably be the least toxic of the body's two main byproducts; some say that urine is even fit to be used therapeutically. The human mouth is historically connected to the expression of affection, in many forms, as well as the origin of the digestive process. The functions of these organs indeed seem to be somewhat universal in nature. I am unaware of any naturally occurring secondary function of the anus, other than eliminative. That isn't to say that people don't do all sorts of creative things with their bodies. But there's probably also some simple, understandable reason why telling someone to "kiss my a**" isn't usually considered a very romantic or inviting offer. Michael Horn | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 05-2008 |
My last comment was [sarcasm on] shockingly censored even though it was similar to Gaiawingz post# 18. I echo Gaiawingz above sentiments and particularly his closing comment. On this planet, as the situation currently is; homosexual sex may be more in tune with creational laws & directives since there is no contribution to overpopulation. Homosexual partners often adopt children, another positive. And procreative, traditional sex may be considered against creational laws & directives since it is adding to our overpopulation problem. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 449 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Matthew the plejaren say most of the terrestrial human sexual behaviours have fallen into the dangerous territory of degeneration. I just tried to imagine what a Plejaren Ischwish may label as degeneration. If you know more about degenerated sexual behaviours than the plejaren, well, hats off.... In the next days i will be very busy reading Billy's new book which is freely available at the Figu website. Btw, i do not endorse all these ad-hominem unfair attacks on Michael Horn. He's a student like all of us and he may make mistakes as human he is. He has made more for the Mission than all of you/us together. He deserves more credit/respect than us all together for what he has accomplished. Saalome | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2008 |
Hector; I forgot to comment on this earlier, but now I will. You stated the following: 'A sexual procreation act is always a sexual procreation act, and it has to be considered holy/sacred because it represents survival, continuation, warranty of evolution. Doesn't matter if such sexual procreation act results in creating new life or not.' This is a mistaken concept of the matter. The only time a sex act becomes an act of procreation is when a child is actually conceived. A male and female who have vaginal sex but do not conceive a child in the act of doing so have only preformed an act of sexual gratification. It's not about the potential for procreation to occur, but whether or not a child is actually conceived. No conception = no act of procreation, end of story. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1590 Registered: 12-1999 |
There will be no more acceptance of posts regarding this subject. Everyone has had their say regarding this matter. The following quote was sent to me from Billy's book "Sinnvolles, Würdevolles, Wertvolles" regarding this topic. Since it is in German I will leave it up to each member to translate it, if she or he chooses. As I stated before, no more posting on this topic. I think there has been more than ample references to various texts and opinions to come to some sort of consensus as to what the teachings say in this matter. Page 323 Viele Menschen stellen sich Fragen hinsichtlich der weiblichen und männlichen Homosexualität. Dabei lassen sich diesbezüglich leider viele von ihrem religiösen oder sektiererischen oder anderweitigen falschen Glauben lenken, dass Homosexualität etwas Abartiges und Verwerfliches sei. Das ist aber nicht der Wahrheit entsprechend, denn die männliche Homosexualität ist so normal wie die weibliche Lesbensexualität. In bezug der weiblichen Wesen spricht man dabei von einer natürlichen Natürlichkeit, während beim männlichen Geschlecht von einer widernatürlichen Natürlichkeit gesprochen wird. Widernatürliche Natürlichkeit bedeutet aber nicht etwas Anormales, sondern es bedeutet einfach, dass die Widernatürlichkeit darauf beruht, dass die männliche Homosexualität entgegengesetzt dem Zeugungsakt und wider die Fortpflanzung geartet, jedoch eine völlig natürliche gegebene Erscheinung ist. Natürlich bedeutet, dass es durch eine Genbestimmung natürlich in Erscheinung tritt. Wenn daher von religions- oder andersgläubigen Menschen angenommen wird, dass Homosexualität ein schweres Vergehen gegen Recht und Ordnung oder gar gegen schöpferische Gesetze oder gegen ein <Gottesgesetz> sei, dann entspricht das einem schwerwiegenden Irrtum sowie einer Falschansicht, die gegen keinerlei Recht zu bestehen vermag und woraus letztlich eine Verunglimpfung der Lesbierinnen und der homosexuellen Männer entsteht. Die Schöpfungsgesetze kennen keinerlei Schändlichkeit der Homosexualität, also sprechen sie auch nicht von einer Verwerflichkeit derselben, wie auch nicht davon, dass es sie zu vermeiden gelte. So ist in bezug der schöpferischen 324 Gesetze das homosexuelle Verhalten rein eine Sache des Menschen selbst, worüber er also allein zu bestimmen hat, ohne jede schöpferisch-gesetzliche Einmischung oder Regelung. Das bezieht sich sowohl auf die Homosexualität wie auch auf die Heterosexualität, auf den Oralsex und Analsex, auf die Bisexualität, auf die Masturbation und Onanie sowie auch auf jede sexuelle Praktik, die der Mensch auszuüben beliebt. Keine sexuellen Praktiken dürfen dem Menschen verboten und ihm auch nicht die Partnerin oder der Partner weggenommen werden, solange alles im Rahmen der schöpferischen Gesetzmässigkeiten verläuft, alles freiwillig ist und also Leib und Leben nicht geharmt und nicht in einer ausartenden Form geschädigt werden. Das alles bedeutet auch, dass in keinem Fall ein Ausschluss aus der Gemeinschaft der Gesellschaft gerechtfertigt ist, wenn die sexuellen Praktiken gesetzlich und menschlich verantwortbar sind und weder Leib noch Leben gefährden. Weder eine Lesbe noch ein homosexueller Mann sind etwas anderes als eben normale Menschen, denen die genau gleichen Rechte gebühren wie den Heterosexuellen. Sexuell anders geartet zu sein ist also ebenso niemals ein Grund zur Diskriminierung eines Menschen, wie das auch in irgendwelchen anderen Beziehungen niemals der Fall sein darf. Durch die sexuelle Andersartung bewirkt der Mensch nicht, nicht mehr Mensch zu sein, denn als solcher bleibt er immer das, was er ist — ein Mensch. Bei Homosexualität kann und darf niemals von einer Schändlichkeit und Verwerflichkeit gesprochen werden, wie das z.B. beim Töten eines Menschen, bei Kindes- oder Menschenmisshandlung oder Vergewaltigung usw. der Fall ist. Natürlich sind auch Diebstahl und Betrug, Vertrauensbruch, Hinterlist, Terrorismus und viele andere Unrechtmässigkeiten äusserst schändliche und schädliche Handlungen, doch können diese niemals in Vergleich gesetzt werden mit der Homosexualität, weil diese weder schändlich noch schädlich ist. Wenn daher im einen oder andern Fall versucht wird, die Homosexualität zu vertuschen, dann ist das verständlich darum, weil viele Menschen infolge Fehlinformation, falscher Ansichten und falscher Glaubenslehren fälschlicherweise etwas Unreines, Abartiges und gar Verdammenswertes darin sehen. Verständlich ist es aber nicht mehr, wenn ein Mensch ein schweres Verbrechen zu vertuschen versucht, sei es auch im eigenen Familienkreis, denn durch ein solches Handeln wird die Verantwortung und die Pflicht gegenüber der Gesellschaft und in bezug des Menschseins gebrochen. Wird ein schweres Verbrechen aber nicht verheimlicht, dann kann das Menschsein 325 weiterhin praktiziert und die Verantwortung wahrgenommen werden, wie das auch dann sein muss, wenn eine Lesbe oder ein homosexueller Mann offen zu seiner sexuellen Veranlagung steht. Von den Schöpfungsgesetzmässigkeiten ist nichts dagegen einzuwenden, wenn Menschen des gleichen Geschlechts eine sexuelle Beziehung miteinander eingehen wollen, sei es nun von Frau zu Frau oder von Mann zu Mann. Eine solche Verbindung muss aber in jedem Fall auf einem gegenseitigen Einverständnis beruhen und darf nicht prostitutionsmässig gegen die sittliche Ordnung verstossen, wie das auch in einer heterosexuellen Beziehung gegeben sein muss. Also darf kein Missbrauch getrieben werden und also auch nie eine Vergewaltigung im Spiel sein. Finden Menschen also in einer gewaltfreien sexuellen Praktik Befriedigung, wie diese auch immer geartet sein mag, dann spricht von der Sicht der Schöpfungsgesetze aus nichts dagegen. Wie sich die Menschen und deren Gesetze dazu verhalten, ist allerdings eine andere Sache, die in der Regel wider die Schöpfungsgesetze spricht. Mancherorts wird eine gleichgeschlechtliche Sexualpraktik durch die Gesetze sehr schwer bestraft, was natürlich wider alles menschliche Recht verstösst, weil es absolut ungerecht ist, menschliche Sexualpraktiken unter Strafe zu stellen, wenn es sich nicht gerade um Pädophilie handelt und also Kinder sexuell missbraucht werden. Es ist absolut ungerecht und unverständlich sowie menschenunwürdig, dass Lesben und homosexuelle Männer für ihre anders als heterosexuell gearteten Triebe auf gesellschaftliche, religiöse, politische und sektiererische oder irgendeine ideologische Ablehnung stossen, dazu noch bestraft, verunglimpft, verflucht und ausgestossen werden und oft noch ihre Arbeit, ihr Geschäft, ihr Ansehen und ihr Hab und Gut verlieren. Und wo solches geschieht, werden die homosexuellen Menschen oft minder behandelt als schlecht behandeltes Vieh sowie geächtete Kriminelle und Verbrecher. Homosexualität stellt in keiner Weise einen Verstoss gegen irgendwelche Gesetze, Moralansichten und Verhaltensregeln dar, das ganz im Gegensatz zur Pädophilie, zu Mord, Vergewaltigung oder sonst irgendwelchen gewalttätigen, kriminellen, verbrecherischen und terroristischen Handlungen, durch die den Menschen Leid und Schmerz zugefügt wird. Homosexualität, das sei immer wieder gesagt, ist weder schädlich, noch fügt sie anderen Menschen Leid zu. Sie schadet weder der Gesundheit noch der Gesellschaft, weder irgendwelchem Glauben noch irgendwelchen Institutionen 326 irgendwelcher Art, so also auch nicht einer Religion oder Sekte, wie auch nicht der Politik, nicht dem Menschsein und nicht dem Anstand, nicht der Würde, wie auch und nicht der Moral und, und, und ... Gleichermassen gilt das auch für die Masturbation resp. die Onanie, die weder der Gesundheit schadet noch dumm und einfältig macht, nicht zur Blindheit und nicht zur Zeugungsunfähigkeit usw. führt, wie Unintelligente und Dumme sowie Irre behaupten — und von wem in dieser Beziehung besonders die Rede ist, weiss wohl jedermann. Nach all dem Erklärten ist nun wirklich erkenntlich, dass effectiv kein Grund dazu besteht, gegenüber Lesben und homosexuellen Männern eine diskriminierende Haltung einzunehmen, sie zu missachten oder auszugrenzen. Gesagt muss dazu aber noch sein, dass alle jene Menschen, die sich mit der Homosexualität, mit den Lesbierinnen und den homosexuellen Männern nicht zurechtfinden, sie nicht verstehen und sich nicht mit deren Sexualpraktiken auseinandersetzen können, nicht einfach zu verdammen sind. Sie sind einfach Menschen, die durch Irrlehren irregeführt sind, die Umstände und die Wirklichkeit nicht kennen und folglich einfach die Tatsachen nicht verstehen. In der Regel fundiert ein solches Fehlverhalten in religiösen und philosophischen Irrlehren, die aus falschen Vorstellungen von Menschen entstanden sind, die glaubten, dass alles des Teufels sei, was sie nicht verstanden. Ein Wahnglaube, der heute noch weltweit in gewissen Schichten der Gesellschaften existiert und zu Mord und Totschlag führt. Man achte dabei nur des noch heute vielerorts existierenden Wahnglaubens an Hexen und Hexer, wobei Frauen und Männer mancherorts der Hexerei angeklagt, gesteinigt, verbrannt oder sonstwie brutal und bestialisch ermordet werden. Tatsächlich existieren auch in verschiedenen Ländern noch Gesetze, die Homosexualität durch absurde Gesetze schwer bestrafen, wie z.B. in Singapur, wo im Penal Code Art. 377 nachzulesen ist: «Wer freiwillig Sexualverkehr gegen die natürliche Ordnung mit einem Mann, einer Frau oder einem Tier hat, soll mit lebenslanger Freiheitsstrafe oder mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zehn Jahren bestraft werden und ausserdem einer Geldstrafe unterliegen.» In Iran (ehemals Persien) sieht das Strafrecht für sämtliche Sexualstraftaten wie ausserehelichen Geschlechtsverkehr, homosexuelle Handlungen, Prostitution, Zuhälterei und Ehebruch einheitlich die Todesstrafe vor. In North Carolina wird Oralverkehr als <Verbrechen wider die Natur> 327 geahndet und mit bis zu drei Jahren Gefängnis bestraft. In Kanada ist Analverkehr strafbar und wird mit einer Freiheitsstrafe von bis zu zehn Jahren belegt. In Mississippi steht eine Freiheitsstrafe von bis zu zehn Jahren an für <widernatürlichen Geschlechtsverkehr>. Für Oral- und Analverkehr sieht Sri Lanka zwölf Jahre Gefängnis vor; für das <Vergehen> des Oralverkehrs gelten in Oklahoma ein Jahr Gefängnis und 2500 Dollar Busse, und im District of Columbia (D.C.) ist dasselbe gar ein Verbrechen. Homosexualität ist in Rhode Island ein <Verbrechen wider die Natur>, worauf eine Gefängnisstrafe von mindestens sieben Jahren steht. In Papua-Neuguinea wird Analverkehr mit bis zu 14 Jahren Gefängnis geahndet, und für das gleiche <Verbrechen> gilt in Idaho eine lebenslängliche Gefängnisstrafe. In Michigan existiert ein besonders weiter Strafrahmen für Anal- und Oral- verkehr, nämlich von mindestens einem Tag bis maximal lebenslänglich. In Nigeria wird <Widernatürliche Unzucht> mit 14 Jahren Gefängnis bestraft. Dort in Nigeria, wo noch die islamische Scharia gilt, wird mit dem Tod durch Steinigung bestraft. Todesstrafe für Anal- und Oralverkehr gilt auch in Mauretanien, usw. Billy 28.Januar 2004, 00.39 h Semjase-Silver-Star-Center, Hinterschmidrüti | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung, Kameraden! Herr J_rod7, Vielen Dank für das Wissen, die Liebe, die Zeit, Mühe und auch die Sorgfalt, die Sie auf meine Übersetzung jener Sätze aus dem Kapitel 'Sein oder SEIN - was ist darunter zu verstehen?' vom "Dekalog" verwandten. I shall shotly translate the whole Chapter(two Pages), for the therein treated Topic has a very special Importance for me - it is all High Flight Transcendental Philosophy! I would first submit my own Text - with all inevitable Mistakes and the Limitations of my English, for i would like our Members to see me as and for what i truly am and can - to the Forum, with the Hope that, this(my heartful Efforts and Imperfections) would encourage other Kameraden(who have some free Time!), at the same, a bit lower or higher Level of Understanding of German and/of English, to do their own very best. Your Proofreading/Corrections and Suggestions, Bruder im Geist(or those of other Members), would always be sincerely appreciated. Bald schicke ich Ihnen wohl eine Nachricht darüber und über mehr zu Ihrer Email-Adresse. Salome, Adam. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1203 Registered: 02-2000 |
"In other Species in this Galaxy such androgynous, essentially all male Races have been created, with the devastating Corruption that Militaries were formed which were able to conquer and occupy Planets without even bringing Females along, resulting in viral, cancerous, insidious Takeovers by self-multiplying Warriors. The parthenogenetic Offspring of these Warriors become more crass and corrupt with each Generation, eventually losing all Sense of Fine-Feeling and then all Humanity. The Men in Black are an example of a Culture which have elevated an essentially male androgynous Caste to the highest Position in their Society, while using such parthenogenetic Warriors to invade foreign Star Systems in their perverse Quest for Universal Domination. They have also attempted to kill Billy 11 Times. " Matthew_deagle, Please point me to a source for the above info? My Website | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2008 |
Norm; Ever heard of Albert K. Bender? You might want to explore what he had to say about his experiences, given that even Billy has said he was legitimate. Don't forget your common sense along the way. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1211 Registered: 02-2000 |
Gaia, I'm the one that asked the question about Bender to Billy in the questions section. I don't recall Billy saying everything in his book is fact! My Website | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2008 |
Norm; Billy didn't say everything was a fact, but he did say that Albert Bender had been contacted. While what Albert Bender had to say after the fact/about what he learned from these beings may not actually be the entire truth (subject to personal recollection on his part as well as deliberate disinformation given to him by the MIB) -- at the very least, he presents information which is worth examining, given we know he was legitimately contacted. Peace, - Gaia | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1602 Registered: 12-1999 |
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Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi all I think one thing that destroys relationships between Humans is money. Some people dedicate their life to it and do not care who they hurt or destroy getting it. Other people need money just to survive and other have none. Lets look at money itself. A piece of paper with some print on it. Holds no value. Its just a piece of paper. Money is used to control the public by the Banks, governments and the super rich. Money is a tool for them as a form of control. So money is only important to survive in the system and should never take top place in a relationship simply because it has no value. Love, respect and understanding in a relationship is far higher importance them money will ever be simply because they have value. Relationships should never be based on money simply because it will be a un happy relationship because there is no love, respect or understanding. If you see what I am saying !! Thanks Asket: - The Creation is the basic foundation of life and all existence. In the force of The Creation, we fulfill our mission, which is not only of cosmic, but all-universal importance, because The Creation IS the life, and The Creation IS the existence | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1312 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Stephen.... Very well said. Well, the Prophets from the past (as well as Billy), did mentioned that future relationships of man(and woman) will be based on MONEY, alas. Proceeding into a relationship for money, even if it concerns having an affair with the same gender! Or youths whom proceed into a relationship with an older individual for the money. And go, so on.....[Have seen this around me, first hand!] Truely...NO TRUE Love Values, in such relationships. Edward. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Stephen and Edward and all, I recently have been contemplating money and it's effect on people's lives and relationships. My line of thinking went to the place of how money does effect us and to see how our decisions were effected by money. I soon realized that the pursuit of it makes us do things that we would not normally do. I see people becoming Nurses or Doctors because there is a decent income associated to this field that I know if I'm in need of that type of person, they would not be close to my first choice because they are doing it just for the money not for the joy of helping someone in need. This would apply to any profession that you just do because you think that you have to. Just watch others in how they treat each other when the numbers, as I like to think of money, don't add up right. If you assign the wrong numbers to a situation your relationship has just changed with that person. With regard to relationships and self esteem, many measure the value of themselves and others on how much of it they have or don't have and how they manage it. It is almost difficult to imagine being in a world society like the P's where it doesn't exist. There are some prophesies related to our future on earth that relates to an attempt to get rid of it but would be somewhat unsuccessful. Matt | ||
Paarth New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2009 |
Dear all, I am writing because this is the only place in my life where I feel comfortable sharing my current personal circumstance. I have been studying the spirit teachings along with all other english-translations of all materials pertaining to Billy for the better part of the last 3 years. I have never spoken to another human like all of you who share my desire to learn as much as possible from Billy and the Plejaren's work. I have done my share of talking to others about it, but I learned early on that most of the time it leads to nothing productive and have thus sought to wait until a later time to make my desire to contribute to the mission in a meaningful way a reality. I write today because I am going through much negativity with an impending divorce with a newborn child in the picture. I began studying the teachings right around the time we got married and since then, I have undergone a significant transformation and continue to do so through my contemplation of the teachings. This I believe has led to much positivity and success in my life over the past 2.5 years. However I have also learned that my wife is very different than me and not only is she not "impressed" with the life-altering teachings that I have spent a great deal of time and energy absorbing and contemplating, but she gets increasingly frustrated when I try to reason with her on a wide variety of issues dealing with our family, future, and all matters in life. Through my mistakes as well as hers, we have arrived at a difficult place in life. This is a gross oversimplification, but Im sure those reading this get the idea. In any case, I feel that separating from her is the only reasonable solution for me to continue on my path of spiritual growth and the building of love in my life, which I cannot deny has become my number one priority. I want to eventually share these thoughts with my son, whom I now know was the result of two people who should not have ever been married. This is a difficult conclusion to absorb as you may imagine. Can any of you out there relate to me? Is there a logic that I am not understanding regarding marriage that perhaps will help me move forward in truth? I am doing my very best to approach all circumstances in life with neurtal-positivity, but now I feel I should share my story with my peers, whom know nothing about me, but in so many ways, share my journey. Warmest regards and salome, Paarth |
