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Dan Blatecky
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am asking a straight foward question here.

I know that Semjase had lost her husband and this may have set new horizions for her, coming here to Earth?

However, I know for a fact that the Pleiadean continum is multi sected.

This would be, that there is a certain sect of Pleiadeans, that are not of Atlantian extraction, who may hold decision makeing power, back in the Pleiades system.

I would like to know, since this is now a past tense issue and would it seems certainly do no harm in answering this question, who gave Semjase her precise orders to come here to Earth?

Secondly, was this done by a board decision, of more than one person?

Please and thank you Dan Blatecky, from the United States.
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roger
Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Semjase was not ordered to travel to earth. They
do not force any one to travel abroad their own
environment. But as they develop their horizons,
they may gain more information when they travel
outside their planet system.

Their task was to inform Billy, and then she
volunteer to guide him. In other words, it was
her own will to do that. It was not a board
decision. Remember that she is more knownledge
than we can imagine. They felt sorrow for us,
and someone did care about offering this
important information of our past, that could
help us forward by understand our past, which
have been missed due to the happenings that
occur before the birth of Jmmanuel.

Regards
Roger
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Michael Horn
Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regarding the death of Semjase's husband when his ship crashed into a distant sun, how will he be able to reincarnate? Is there some way that the Plejarans can "retrieve" his spirit if he crashed into a sun?

Michael
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Savio
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 06:00 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael

I heard that the spirit can travel at the speed of light (since it is a kind of energy), it can then find a planet suitable for its spiritual level. Yet, it also mentioned in other places that spirits are not confined/limited by time and space. Which one is right?

Another point is a Hyperspace vehicle can reach any destination without time lost, it seems not logical that a man-make machine is not time/space limited but a spirit does.

There is still no logic explanation to the above doubts.

Those who know the answer please share with us :)

Regards

Savio
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Norm
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio is right. If I remember correctly the Spirit Form will travel to the nearest planet that has a comparable level of humanoid and Spiritual evolution, of that foreign Spirit. Also the Plejarens might have a way to rescue the Spirit Form and bring it back home.
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Anthea
Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Dan,

In answer to your post of January 23, 2001:

The Plejarens do not have the hierarchical government that we are currently experiencing on the Earth. Their government structure conforms to Creational Law and not man-made laws.

Kind Regards,
Anthea
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James Roy Mizar
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings all,
Savio on your feb. 4th post Isn't it that there is some time loss with hyperspace travel and that time travel through space (nullspace) is no time loss at all?

Salome
James
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Savio
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi James

Thanks for your correction :)

Yes, you are right. The theory is that hyperspace travel does have little time loss (fraction of a second?)but there is no time lost for time travel (nullspace).

Do you have any idea about the travelling speed of a spirit? Please share with us.

Regards

Savio
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James Roy Mizar
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salutations,
I think it is the same speed as the big bang 10 to the 7000 power. 10x7000?

Salome
James
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Michael Horn
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello All,

Does anybody recall the specific information regarding Billy announcing that there were two moons of Jupiter prior to their discovery?

I seem to recall that he may have told Wendell about this and that it was published somewhere, perhaps in one of Wendell's books. Any help would be appreciated!

Michael
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masoud
Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 05:03 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Friends,

Regarding the travel of spirit I think there is no need for a spirit form to travel anywhere to find a new body since it resides in a non material realm . Therefore entering into a material realm takes no time for spirit forms since they do not bind into space and time configuration of material realms .

Salome
Masoud
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Michael Horn
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Masoud,

Sounds consistent and correct to me.

Michael
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Savio
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael and Masoud

According to FIGU, the spirit is a kind of energy, it stays at a place called beyond that is close to the planet. Hence it is confined to some extend.

And energy does exist in material realm, as heat,sound or electrical magnetic waves.... etc. Energy does propagate/travel as well, some even in vacuum.

If the location of "Beyond" is correct, it will be logical to say that a spirit should travel to another planet if new body is not available any longer.

It seems that we need someone to say the final word don't we?

Regards

Savio
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Scott B.
Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Savio

Here is an "unofficial" translation from the Wassaermann #4 (1978).

Rebirth and its ties to a Planet

Paragraph 3-
The spirit form of a life form, therefore, is bound to the planet until that time period has passed, and cannot leave the planet's realm until it is no longer tied to a physical body. Consequently, it is absolutely impossible for an earth human who has died (respectively his/her spirit), to reincarnate somewhere else on another planet. It is eqaually impossible for an intelligence from another planet to reincarnate on earth. The likelihood of a rebirth on another planet can only occur when a material life form is enabled to move through free space with the aid of certain technical means (space ships, rocket, etc., or through teleportation), thereby leaving one planet and visiting another.

Therefore, if a foreign planet has been reached through one of the above methods, and the life form dies there, it becomes feasible for the life form to incarnate on that planet - with the understanding, however, that the spiritual evolution level of the life form concerned is close or equal to that of the other life forms which had already been there and died on that planet.

Paragraph #7

A rebirth is also possible in outer space if a suitable place (spaceship, etc.) exists. If a wandering spirit form meets up with a spaceship where an act of procreation took place, the spirit form can, without much ado, incarnate there. Offspring can be born on a spaceship as easily as on planets. Numerous spirit forms of an embryonic nature and other accepted forms are floating through the open space, continuously in search of suitable star systems for incarnation.

For the sake of brevity Ill stop here, but it does show one the possibilities open to the spirit form if the right evolutionary conditions are met.

Salome
Scott
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Savio
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 06:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Scott

Thanks for the information! What a pity that we do not know German :)

Well, it really shows that a spirit will usually stay with a planet and travel to another when necessary; although the travelling speed is not specified.

By the way, what is the meaning of "Wassaermann" in English?

Regards

Savio
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio,
There are actually 3 meanings depening on context.
Wassaermann = Aquarius , Waterman, & Poseiden(Neptune),
As I understand it.
A German speaking friend of mine informed me.
Hope this was helpful.
Kind Regards,

Steve M.
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio & anyone else interested ,
This page I'm sending translates many languages.
There are some words that will not come up but I've used it to decipher some of the German notes. You can usually get the meaning of what's being said. There is also info on software on this site you can have installed that can translate languages even better.

http://tranexp.com:2000/InterTran.

Stay well,
Salome,

Steve M.
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, March 30, 2001 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

By the way the above site is FREE.

Steve M.
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Savio
Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 03:38 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve

Thanks for the information.

I tried the InterTran. As you mentioned, some words do not come up. Yes, it is free!

Regards

Savio
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Scott B.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello

In 1996 Billy had a contact with the Plejaren Pttah.

In this contact the subject of the Kennedy assasination was bought up. From what I undestand new information was bought up regarding this incident, I dont know if this is in print or not, but this information was released via a presentation by Guido Moosbrugger.

In this contact Pttah indicated the assasination was a conspiracy by various interest groups at the time. These groups included the CIA, FBI, Mafia, Pro Cubans, Oil Barrons and the Military Industrial Complex.

It was stated during this contact that Lee Harvey Oswald and 3 others worked together in this conspiracy to kill JFK. As a result Oswald killed the American President, even though shots were fired by others upon JFK also at the same time, by this group. The fatal shot was fired by Oswald according to the contact.

After Oswald was arrested Jack Ruby was hired to be an assasin. Mr Ruby was really Jack Rubenstien a Jewish extremist. His job was to eliminate Oswald because it was felt by the original group that Oswald could not be trusted and would possibly link the assasination to the rest of the group.

Now according to this information it was stated that Mr. Oswald was the one who fired the fatal shot which killed Mr. Kennedy. If anyone who has studied the infamous movie footage, it appears that the fatal shot came from the direction in front of the vehicle rather then from the book repository building where Mr. Oswald fired from.

There has been much controversy about possible shots being fired from the grassy knoll, which according to eyewitnesses could have been in the direction where I think the fatal shots could have came from.

A number of independent investigations have been conducted, excluding the Warren Report, which have shown that the shot which had the most impact to Mr. Kennedy was fired from a direction which is contradictory to the location of Mr. Oswald.

Has anyone looked into this event and come to the same conclusions as Pttah, based on the current evidence uncovered so far?

One interesting note. According to this information one of the reasons Mr. Kennedy was assasinated was because he was going to release information about the existance of UFO's!!

Salome
Scott
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Scott B.
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello

I mispelled Ptaah's name oops....Sorry about that

Scott
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Ardie Fox
Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Scott,

I have heard a couple of times now that the shot that actually killed JFK came from his driver. I have a copy of a copy of a copy of a video (so it is very poor)but it seems to show the driver looking over his right shoulder and raising his left arm over his right shoulder with what looks like a gun in his hand for just a moment just as a bullet hits his head and he falls back. Supposedly this frame of the film has been enlarged and studied and they can actually identify the type of gun in his hand.

I was able to see that sequence in the JFK movie, with Costner in it, several years ago. It was very clear to see. But, a few years later I tried to find it again to show someone and could not find it. I think that part was cut out.

I don't hear about this theory as often as I have heard others, but the Zapruder film which shows this is pretty incriminating.

Has anyone else seen this?

Ardie
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Lonnie Morton
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Scott and Ardie,

Some of this may be hard to accept as fact at first. We do know that Ptaah is an Jshwjsh, and has great knowledge and mastery over things that we are not aware of. He is also a medical doctor too, from what I hear. So, If JHWH Ptaah said it was Oswald, then it must be true.

If Oswald fired a shot form the school book depository, it seems the best he could have done was to shoot Kennedy in the back, possibly in the lung or heart which could have been fatal, even with a head shot from behind the grassy knoll.

This case has been examined so many times in so many different ways, I don't know if it could have been otherwise. I have heard all kinds of theories. But, especially since the time of that movie, I think most people are of the opinion that is was a conspiracy, and that the Warren Report is full of lies. (Kind of reminds me of the Bible and the gospels).

I think it is also in the contact notes, that another reason Kennedy was killed was because he would have led the world into a nuclear war, which could have jeopardized the mission with Billy. And, the Plejarens influenced certain people in the CIA, (causing them to let their quard down), for this to happen. Correct me if I am wrong.

Lonnie
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Norm
Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 06:33 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ardie, that was Willian Cooper that started that idea about the Shooter being the Driver. I still can't see the gun in that frame. But you may want to try the Zabruder Film thats on DVD, because that will give you the clearest picture available to date.

Scott B," In this contact Ptaah indicated the assasination was a conspiracy by various interest groups at the time. These groups included the CIA, FBI, Mafia, Pro Cubans, Oil Barrons and the Military Industrial Complex."

That sounds like the New World Order crowd to me. Most of America's Super Super Wealthy at one time in their careers work in government organizations like the CIA and FBI.

Another theory starting to pick up steam is the theory that JFK was going to change the United States money system and eliminate the privately owned Federal Reserve System that controls the U.S. economy!
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Michael Horn
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regarding the Men In Black, here's a recent item. Are these the guys Billy has written about?

{http://www.sightings.com/general10/chh.htm}

Michael
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Norm
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael, Its obvious to me, after all the reading I've done, over the years on the "Men in Black", that they are Extraterrestrials. I sure wish Billy could give us some background information on them.
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Savio
Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2001 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello

Was the term "Men in Black" MIB first used by Ptaah in the contact notes?

Regards

Savio
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Scott B.
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello

I believe it was last year (2000) when the subject of alledged UFO contactees came up. Eventually through the long discussions that ensued a list was posted of the various people on this planet who were alledged to be hoaxers.

Among these people, I brought to light one person who purported to be in contact with a Plejaren woman who had the acheived the status of ISRISH. Through some discussions with our previous moderator and some investigations by the Plejaren's it was confirmed that the existance of this Plejaren woman did not exist in any form in the Plejaren federation of planets.

The person I am referring to is James Gilliland. Currently on the Art Bell website there is a link to an audio file which was put up by Mr. Gilliland. This audio file is an alledged sound of a UFO. If the sound is genuine, then we can assume his contacts are real. If his contacts are not real, then we can possibly assume that this recorded sound is not real.

In many of the Space movies currently out, almost every imaginable sound can be created or reproduced. We all know by now, that almost every imaginable scenerio has been played out by people that assume contact from higher lifeforms. Is this another attempt by someone having a little fun on an electronic synthesizer, combining various audio frequencies to create a beat frequency, which gives the effect of pulsations, or a deep whirring sound?

Scott
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Norm
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio, The Beings and the term "Men in Black" has been around since the 1960's, maybe even before the 50's. Some stories even reported them before they were even termed "Men in Black".
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Savio
Posted on Monday, April 30, 2001 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Norm

Thanks for the information. The movie MIB was the first time I got to know that term :)

If MIBs are ETs and they are involved in the assassination attempts against Billy, it would be a very dangerous situation isn't it?

Savio
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Norm
Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 06:29 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio, Yes,I wish Billy & Figu would tell us who and what the Men in Black really are?
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Savio
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm

It seems that it is not allowed to talk about details of MIB :)

Regards

Savio
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Steve M.
Posted on Wednesday, May 02, 2001 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Men in black.
Aren't they the guys in the Blues Brothers(John Belushi & Dan Akroyd)who sing "Soul man" ??
Sorry , i coudn't resist.

Yes Savio, you are correct in your last posting.

Salome

Steve
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blerim
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

who knows anything about the ancient gods (or vimanas in ancient india.
and about the indoeuropeans.

and mostly i am very glad to hear any information from someone about (hyperborea)borea continet.
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blerim
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

does somebody know how the migration went ,in which part of the earth they started to colonaise.
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blerim
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2001 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

genesis 11:1 where we read that before the building of the tower of babel " the whole world was of one language and of one speach.
does someone has any explanation about this.
blerim
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi blerim,
All good questions, most need long answers in their totality.
All these questions are discussed in the book " The Twelfth Planet" by Zacheria Sitchin.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/038039362X/qid=992027205/sr=1-1/ref=sc_b_1/103-4584653-3710219

Also if you do a keyword search on Hyperboria you will find some info on the Forum.

Happy seeking, it's always an adventure.

Kind regards,

Steve M.

P.S-Making a real long story super short. The Tower of Babel - The ancient settlers(Annunaki) basically did not want all the Humans to be able to communicate with eachother. They wanted to slow down any progress of the Early Humans in trying to create/copy what the Gods(Annunaki)created. So if the Humans could not communicate/conspire with eachother , that would have slowed down or stopped any progress the early Humans were making on the tower. The Annunaki were able to divide the Humans by making them speak different languages.
This is a real simplified answer.You should really check out the 12th Planet. You won't regret it.
Anyone like to add to this ?
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sitchen sites.

http://www.sitchin.com/

http://www.sitchin.com/adam.htm

Salome ,

Steve M.
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just a thought....
I would really be interested if Sitchen & Billy were to meet.That is a conversation I would really love to hear.
Has it ever happened ?
Has Billy read Sitchens works & has Sitchen been told about Billy ?
Another thought...
Also, so much could be answered if we escavated Southern Iraq(Sumeria)...
Salome all,

Steve
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blerim
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hi everybody
all this answers are known to me .
does anybody has any new information ??????
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Larry Driscoll
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2001 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to recommend to all interested that FIGU has approximately 1800 copies of "Brochure of Photographs, UFOs..." the English version of the German "Photobroschure 1" This booklet contains many of Billy's best photographs as well as interesting and informative text.

I estimate that this brochure would cost between $4 and $5 includding shipping say for example to the United States. FIGU can confirm a more accurate number.

I translated this item from German to English, submitted it to FIGU and it was refined by Christian to its final result.

It has been very usefull to me in regard to discussions which I have had with individuals who are interested in extraterrestrial intelligence,Ufos, etc.

The "Brochure of Photographs, UFOs..." is a good combination of photographs and text.
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Savio
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2001 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Larry

Please tell us how we can order a copy of the English version of "Brochure of Photographs, UFO..."

Many thanks

Savio
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Larry Driscoll
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio,

Contact FIGU. Philia Stauber has emailed me that the "Brochure of Photographs, UFOs..." cost 10 Swiss Francs, 10CHF, including postage. There is always a fluctuation between Swiss Francs and US Dollars but I estimate at this time a cost to be about US$6.25. It is money well spent.

The 1800 Brochures, or as many as possible, would be better off in the hands of members and interested parties in times of discussion. "A picture is worth a thousand words". The Brochures can do nothing to excite and awaken Earthhumans to the efforts of Billy, the Pleiadians/Plejarans and FIGU if they remain in boxes in FIGU storage.

The photographs included in the Brochure will also be appearing in Billy's "Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums, Kontakte mit den Plejadiern/Plejaren" book, but this book may not be available for two years.
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Phil McAiney
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RE MEN IN BLACK

Silvano Lehmann, one of the Core-Group members, explained to me in 1998 that the Men in Black were of two different types: one type was Earth human beings who covertly worked with the CIA, while the second type were ETs. Both have siminlar aims - to stifle research, interest and curiosity into UFOs and extraterrestrials by the general public.

Their nomination "Men in Black" comes from their dress which is usually reported as being like 1950's clothing, including their cars - always being black in colour. Their skin tone is sometimes reported as swarthy, greasy and Middle-Eastern or Southern Italian in colour with a slight green tinge to it.

They are ruthless in their aim to discourage and disinform the public about genuine UFO events and data. Apparently, if the general public has no interest in matters of UFOs and contactees like Billy Meier, the existence, activity and goals of the Men in Black will go uninspected and therefore unimpeded. They thrive on secrecy and thus want nothing to do with being found out by Earth's population - otherwise their criminal activities would come to a very abrupt end.

Reports exist of UFO contactees or witnesses being visited by Men in Black who posed as Government or military agents, complete with authentic identification "proof", who used this cover to confiscate evidence of UFO landings and sightings. When the witness attempted to recover the evidence back from what they described as "menacing" and "aggressive" visitors, they were told by the Government there was no such person or people as claimed visited him and, thus, there was nothing to return to him as nothing had been handed over to the authorities.

There have been cases claiming attempted, and successful, murder of key witnesses. A recent review of TWA Flight 800's being downed by a U.S. Navy missile in 1996 in order to kill a spy on board, and the massive cover-up that followed, should be proof enough the U.S. Government will use criminal and murderous methods on its own citizens to achieve its dark and insatiable lust of world power.

Practically nothing is known, even by the Plejaren, about the Men in Black who are genuine but hostile-minded ETs. I asked Billy if he could tell me anything about them in a written question in 1999 and he said there was nothing to say.

Since he doesn't waste time with whoever they are, I don't think we should spend too much time theorizing about them as it can only generate and spread fear. They will certainly one day be brought to task for their deeds and that is all we need to know about them until that time comes.
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Norm
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Phil, Thanks for posting that. I sure wish we could find out who the Men in Black are, and what they are doing here. I had feeling there was another E.T. presence on Earth causing trouble, other than just the Giza Intelligence. There are far to many reports on the MIB. How are we ever going to progress, if there's some E.T. group holding us back, I wish the Plejarens would make them leave!
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Phil McAiney
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

RE JFK ASSASINATION:

The first indication JFK was going to be assasinated was a prophecy given to then Eduard Meier in February 1956 by Asket when they were in Jordan on board her ship - 7 years and 8 months before the event happened in Dallas. The reason for this murder was that JFK was going to stymie the secret ambitions of the CIA and right-wing Cubans living in Miami to invade Cuba and set up their own government that would be controlled, naturally, by the U.S.

By Kennedy not agreeing to this thinly-disguised military coup, and refusing to support those who took it upon themselves to invade the section of Cuba called "The Bay of Pigs", Kennedy would prevent World War Three from being launched. The cost would be that he would pay with his life at the hands of those who lusted for victory in a global nuclear war where no one could be victorious.

Kennedy was not the only one who would pay this price, as Asket mentioned about 15 other world leaders who would choose democracy and sanity over dictatorship and hate between a 19-year period from 1956 to 1974. These acts would provoke an opposite reaction of assassination or expulsion by enemies of these leaders seeking revenge.

Not deciding to back an invasion against Cuba, as it was arranged behind his back without his permission and knowledge by the autocratic CIA, Kennedy refused to start World War Three by invading Cuba. He knew such an act against Cuba would outrage her military ally Russia, who certainly would have retaliated with missiles against the U.S. Before you could say, "Uncle Sam", those of us who were living in October 1962 during the "Cuban Missile Crisis" then would have all been up in smoke. And those spirits not yet born but about to be, would have just had to wait a few centuries or even millenia while the radioactivity on Earth settled down to liveable levels.

In the recent 256th Contact, May 13th, 1996, Ptaah told Billy that Oswald was working with other conspirators (CIA, FBI, Right-Wing Cubans living in the U.S., Oil Barons and certain members of the Military-Industrial Complex) to kill Kennedy. Oswalk worked with three other men to do this. However, the fatal shot did NOT come from Oswald's weapon.

"...doch der wirklich tödliche Schuss stammte nicht aus der Waffe Oswalds."
(Translation: "...still the real fatal shot did not come from Oswald's weapon.")

Scott, you must have heard Guido incorrectly say that it did. The excerpt quoted above is to be found on p. 2902, line 41, of recently released Volume 15 in the German Contact Notes.

As to the complexity of the source of the assassins, it is my thought that the whole idea originated with the CIA. Masters of deception, they fashioned a plan where they could cover their tracks and utilize various enemies of Kennedy so that a re-tracing of the murderers would end in confusion and doubt by anyone trying to piece together how the murder happened.

I think this is why Asket simplified the whole thing by saying the CIA would order it.

After all, once Kennedy found out the CIA had secretly planned to invade Cuba by using right-wing ex-Cuban extremists as a cover, he publicly declared he was going to fire the head of the CIA and tear up the entire organization "into a thousand pieces and scatter them into the wind". I guess the CIA over-reacted to this.
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Michael Horn
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There is a videotape that has an interview with a man serving a sentence in Joliet, Illinois, who is quite convincing in his proud assertions that he was one of the shooters. He claims he was affiliated with Mafia people who facilitated the shooting and who had CIA-provided badges and such. It is an amazing tape.

Michael
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Scott B.
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Phil & Michael

Thanks for the update on the Kennedy Assasination. Although I cannot verify the accuracy of what I stated earlier other than to cite the references from where the information came from.

The lecture ocurred on July 20, 1996 in Burbank Calif., in which Guido was giving a lecture with regards to the contact you are referring to among other things. Also in attendance was Heidi Peters who did much of the verbal translating for Guido.

Much of what you said does coincide with what was in the lecture except for the part in regards to who fired the fatal bullet. At that point in the lecture Heidi stated "Lee Harvey Oswald and three other men worked together in this conspiracy and as a result Oswald killed the American President. Even though shots were fired on John Fitzgerald Kennedy by others as well (part of that group) It was truly the fatal shot came from Oswald" Heidi was reading this text information rather then hearing it from Guido at this point in the lecture from what I can tell.

It would be interesting to see which text Heidi was reading from to clarify whether these were actually the contact notes or not.

Also you mentioned in your post something to the effect that the downing of flight 800 was the result of actions by the Men in Black types for the purpose of eliminating a spy onboard the aircraft. Where did you hear this, it would interesting to see how much truth there is to this, because of all the multitude of theories in regards to what really happened.

Thanks for bringing up these topics

Salome
Scott
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Marc Juliano
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Phil and Scott,

Phil, thanks for your translation work on this. Regarding the spy that was on TWA 800: I read the 258th Contact where Ptaah stated that this was one of two possibilities for why the flight was downed. But later, after Florena and her group did the investigations, Ptaah said that their other guess about the circumstances was correct--namely, that the U.S. Navy erroneously identified the aircraft as an unknown projectile/missile. So it is possible the spy was not even known by military intelligence to be onboard that flight and therefore he/she would not have been the catalyst for the Navy's missile launch.

The Plejarans, however, were certain that this person was onboard. But they initially were not sure about which (the mistaken identity of the aircraft scenario, or the espionage scenario) was the cause until Ptaah's subsequent visit--the text of which is partially on FIGU's Web site.

Scott, Heidi may have simply mistranslated the part about Oswald having fired the fatal shot. I have the tapes from that same lecture so I guess I could double-check this. Phil's German excerpt from the contact reports does indeed state that Oswald did not fire the fatal shot.

Regards,
Marc
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Scott B.
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Marc

Thanks for your input. Yes I agree it must have been a translation error. She did say this twice though, thats why I was wondering what she was actually reading. The contact notes do confirm many of the theories regarding other shooters

Salome
Scott
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Savio
Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello all

Regarding the reasons behind that JFK was murdered....

Lonnie's recent posting "I think it is also in the contact notes, that another reason Kennedy was killed was because he would have led the world into a nuclear war...."

And Phil's recent posting "Kennedy would prevent World War Three from being launched. The cost would be that he would pay with his life at the hands of those who lusted for victory in a global nuclear war..."

Which reason is the real reason? Any information in the contact notes?

Regards


Savio
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Alex
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 03:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all!

I'm new to this forum.

According to Billy, in the Spiritual Teachings section's interview (10th question): "While in this condition of profound death-agony, these people are often capable also of emitting their consciousness whereby they can suddenly view themselves from the outside, while hovering above their own bodies and so forth. Light, darkness, and beloved people also frequently play a major role in this scenario, and the person in this stage of a death throe feels him- or herself being led through dark channels and such into a light, from where they do not ever want to leave again."

The consciousness is what one normally senses as oneself while awake. The spirit, according to what I've read in this forum seems to work at the subconscious level.

Would anyone be so kind to tell me what happens to the consciousness, under which circumstances, during the death process and after is has occurred?

For example, are these so-called near-death experiences of traversing a tunnel towards a light, with feelings of peace and received by beloved people what normally happens or one just losses the consciousness with death?

Thanks
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Scott B.
Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Alex

Welcome to the Forum

Your question if I understand it, is what happens to the consciousness during the process of dying.

Questions related to consciousness have been discussed before in various parts of the Forum.

There are two factors operating while the human is alive. The material consciousness and the spiritual consciousness. Everything related to our daily activities of thinking, feeling and experiencing are related to the material consciousness. When you die the material consciousness fades away. In other words your personality or psyche cease to exist. After this transistion occurs your Spiritual consciousness takes over (in my opinion), because you are now existing in the spiritual or fine matter world.

Im guessing, but from what I understand the material consciousness is responsible for the experiences that we have at death, possibly to comfort us during the process. These experiences maybe related to the fact that we don't completely understand the death process completely.

The Spiritual consciousness also has a Spirit subconsciousness, but this is not the same thing as the Material consciousness and subconsciousness.

This is a complicated subject, but the spirit gives the material consciousness energy to exist, but the material subconsciousness does not contain the spirit. Yet, the Spiritual subconsciousness and the Material subconsciousness are linked by the Central consciousness.

I hope this somewhat gives you an idea of what is going on. Im sure there are others who have a much greater understanding of this than I do, but I hope this helps

Salome
Scott
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Lonnie Morton
Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Savio,

In answer to your post on August 24th concerning the Kennedy murder, I think that Phil is correct. Phil knows German better than I do, so what he quoted from the contact notes is probably accurate. I don't remember where I got my information from. To be sure, I posed this question to a Core member when I visited the Center recently. He said, by what Kennedy did in refusing to invade Cuba, and ordering the Soviets and their nuclear weapons out, he prevented a possibly third World War or Nuclear War which would have been devastating with a tremendous loss of life, and could have jeapordized the Mission with Billy.

As to why he was killed, this is a better question that how. The how of Oswald, (who probably didn't fire a shot but was nevertheless a part of the operation) Ruby, the Mafia and the Cuban exiles are just scenery for the public. President Eisenhower, in his final address to the nation, warned the country of the threat of the Military Indusrial Complex. According to the Movie JFK, by Oliver Stone, which seems to courageously tell the truth of what really happened, the organizing principal of any society in our world is for war, the authority of the state over it's people resides in it's warpower. And Kennedy wanted to withdraw from Viet Nam, stop nuclear testing and end the Cold War in his second term. The Military Industrial Complex and the CIA all overreacted to Kennedy's plans for peace without seeing the overall picture and ultimate consequences. Kennedy was well informed and in a better position to see this as President, and was a decisive man with great courage. So, they carried out a coup de'tat with the result of entering the VietNam War which was very costly.

Because of this many people consider Kennedy to have been the greatest American President in that his actions saved so many from catastrophy. Living here in Miami Florida, I would have been among the first to die, since Cuba is just a few miles south of here. In this respect I think Kennedy was a True American Hero. Of course the Pleiadians/Plejarans could foresee this was going to happen, but could not interfere. The information in the contact notes is testimony to the truth.

Kind regards,
Lonnie
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Alex
Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello all!

Thanks a lot for acknowledging my question Scott B.

Let me state some opinions regarding my previous posting:

About Billy's answer (to the 10th question in the Spiritual Teaching's section): I think it's implicit that these near-death experiences are not a product of imagination but are real experiences of the consciousness. He is clarifying that the spirit goes to what is called the Beyond. The consciousness does not go to the Beyond and what people tell about near death experiences is real but consciousness-related.

Michael Uyttebroek, in an illustrative posting (presented in the following thread:
FIGU's Discussion Board: The Spiritual Teachings: Books And Booklets - Discussion Area: "The Talmud Jmmanuel": General Area: Part 3; Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 03:13 pm) offers clarifying information from which one could say that the consciousness survives material death and goes to "The Material Consciousness Level"

So my main question is: What experiences the consciousness after death?

In a new reincarnation, is the couple spirit/consciousness always the same (although not taking into account spirit's greater development) regarding the previous material life?

Would anyone please correct or confirm my above guesses?

Thanks.
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Savio
Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 03:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lonnie

Thanks for the response :)

It seems that we can have a better picture of the JFK case now.

The confirmation that Oswald did not fire the fatal shot also cleared up the historical doubt.

Regards

Savio
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Scott B.
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2001 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Everyone

Could this be the tomb of Jmmanuel?

Tomb

www.tombofjesus.com

Salome
Scott B.
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Savio
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2001 - 02:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Scott

A nicely presented website indeed! Thanks!

It goes well with what is mentioned in "The Jesus in India Traditions" in Jim Deardorff's website.

Peace

Savio
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Matt
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Translations.

Hello all,
Are there any translations taking place of german FIGU material into english at the moment ?
Is the OM to be translated ?

Regards
Matt
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes Matt , the Semjase Contacts 1 through 10 should be ready by March 2002 .The OM will likely not be available for 2 years yet . This is not an official answer to your question . Anyone care to add anything ?
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Dee Hanson
Posted on Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 07:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mark and Matt,
The contact Notes 1-10 will not be ready by March without help from everyone (or anyone). If you have translated any into English and are willing to help please send them to me. I will organize them and get them to Marc Julian. Marc says it looks like June if they do not get some assistance.
Dee Hanson
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Scott B.
Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 06:56 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Everyone

There are some new UFO pictures in Bulletin #37 on the German portion of the FIGU website.

Salome
Scott
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Norm
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2001 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone know all the UFO authors,Contactees, etc., that Billy says are legitimate.
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Scott B.
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Norm

Many of the legitimate contactees etc, were listed in the original contact notes. Wendelle Stevens mentioned some of these people in his Messages books. As you know more of these people have come up in later contacts such as Whitley Strieber, Ed Walters etc.

That would be a good idea if someone could compile a list of new and old contactees up to the present.

Scott
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Scott B.
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Clarification

I wasnt implying that Whitley Strieber and Ed Walters were legitimate contacts
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Scott B.
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

correction

I wasnt implying that Whitley Striber and Ed Walters were legitimate contacts
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Scott B.
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

correction

I wasnt implying that Whitley Strieber and Ed Walters were legitimate contacts
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Scott B.
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Marc

Im not sure what happened. When I went to post my correction it appeared that it didnt go through so I cancelled post and retyped it. When I went back to "last day" on the menu it had posted all my cancelled posts.

Scott
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Scott B.
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Norm

Here is a list of the contactees mentioned in the contact notes during the 38th contact.

Dr. H.C. Daniel Fry
Professor Joao Freitas de Guimares
Victor Schauberger
Gustav Meyrich
Ray Stanford
Mario Bertossi
Albert Einstein
Albert Schweizer
Charles Hickson
Calvin Parker
Betty & Barney Hill
Josefina Burkman
Juri Gagarin
Dr. James D. McDonald
Rudolf Steiner
Alois Rickenbach
Horst Raps
Charles A. Maney
Wilbert B. Smith

Im sure these contactees are fairly well known by now, but if not these were listed during a contact that Billy had with Semjase on Thursday November 13, 1975 at 0936 a.m.

Salome
Scott
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Norm
Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott B, Thanks alot, I really appreciate it.
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Norm
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott, is that the same Ray Stanford, that wrote the "Fatima Prophecy" book?
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Scott B.
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm

In the notes all it says is that Ray Stanford was from the USA.

On some of the contacts there is additional information. For instance next to Albert Einstein's name it says: Was in direct contact to extraterrestral intelligences, and besides this, he was an incarnated ET on Earth as a human being.

There maybe additional information on Ray Stanford, but it maybe printed somewhere else, or perhaps Billy knows more about it.

Hope this helps some. If you want I can type up the additional information about the people listed so far? This comes from an "unofficial translation"

Scott
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Norm
Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you getting this from Stevens books? If you are, I can look them up. I thought there might be a new up to date list. But if you want to list more info. I'm sure others here would like to know more. Thanx again.
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Scott B.
Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm

No, I'm not actually gettng the information from the Stevens books. I believe the Stevens books came from a set of contact notes that were done many years ago. These notes I believe have all the contacts up until the 125th contact.

In the video UFO's are Real towards the end there is a section in which Wendelle holds up a binder or something. This binder of notes if I'm not mistaken is the basis for his books.

In Wendelle's books he omitted a number of pieces of information which are in these translated contact notes. There is a section which has the conversations that Billy had with Jmmanual among other things.

So as you can see those contact notes are many years old, and Im sure there has been more updated information regarding more contactees since then.

Scott
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Scott B.
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Everyone

This is something that I have wondered about for some time.

As I understand it after the 21st day of a womans pregnancy the spirit has entered the fetus. Any attempted removal of the fetus would be considered murder as I understand it.

What is the situation when a woman has a miscarriage?

Are all miscarriages the result of a biological problem and the result being the body aborts the fetus?

Can the spirit for some reason decide it doesn't want to be born at this time and somehow cause a miscarriage? If this is possible would this be considered suicide even though the child has not been born yet?

Anybody have any ideas on this subject?

Thanks
Salome
Scott B.
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Savio
Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2001 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Scott

I find it is a very logical, wise and well planned "law" that a spirit enters the fetus only on the 21st day of conception.

In fact, over 50% of human conceptions end up in miscarriage within the first few weeks even without being noticed.

This is the nature's way to ensure the quality of human being born. Yes, I think it is the result of biological problems hence the body aborts the fetus automatically.

I think a spirit is always eager to learn through reincarnation; however if it sees a possibility of misscarriage, would it prevent itself from entering the fetus even after the 21st day?

Any information is available?

Regards

Savio
Regards
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Howard
Posted on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why have not the contact notes been translated into english yet? I find this very strange, since my first meeting with Semjase was in Swedish, 26 of the first contacts.The page where i found it was over-flowing with mumbo-jumbo-crap. I think this should be considered as an important task for FIGU, since so many people would have benefitted from it, and i really wish you people had a little more working-moral ;) Btw; i worship billy, either he likes it or not ;)
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Anthea
Posted on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Howard,

The contact notes are in the process of being translated. This is a labor intensive effort which is being undertaken by very conscientious and suitably qualified individuals, who receive no compensation or payment for their time spent on this project.

If you do a key-word search on this forum, using the word "OCT" or "translations" you will find more information about this project.

On another note, I wish to make comment on something you said in your post:

"I find this very strange, since my first meeting with Semjase was in Swedish, 26 of the first contacts.The page where i found it was over-flowing with mumbo-jumbo-crap."

It is my opinion that it is quite apparent that you are suffering from delusions if you purport to have had contact with Semjase.

There is much evidence to support the fact that Billy is the only human being on Earth to have ever had face-to-face contacts with the Plejarens, with the exception of one event where Semjase accidentally came into contact with a woman in a desert region while performing a task. This event can in no way be construed as a "contact" of the kind that Billy has with the Plejarens.

Regards,
Anthea
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Anthea
Posted on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Scott, Savio ...

My thoughts on the miscarriage issue ... I think that the most logical explanation would be that if a woman miscarriages before the 21 day mark, that it is a purely natural biological cause.

I am assuming that for the spirit to incarnate into the embryo, there has to be a "developing brain". If there is a fatal defect of some sort (before the 21 day mark or after), then I assume that nature's laws take over and exterminate the embryo and that this event is not determined by the 'spirit'. If this happens after the 21 day mark, the 'spirit' merely returns to the beyond. Because this is a natural biological cause I don't think it can be called "suicide". However, I may be wrong in this assumption.

I can only base my reasoning on my knowledge of fetal-development. I will share some of the info here:

"2 weeks (14 days) - Fertilization: the sperm and egg join in the fallopian tube to form a unique human being. Forty-six chromosomes combine, which pre-determine all of a person's physical characteristics.

The fertilized egg, only thirty hours after conception, is no larger than the head of a pin. Still rapidly dividing, the developing embryo, called a zygote at this stage, floats down from the fallopian tube and towards the uterus.

3 weeks (21 days) - Once in the uterus, the developing embryo, called a blastocyst, searches for a nice place to implant, where it actually burrows beneath the surface of the uterus. The yolk sac, shown on the left, produces blood cells during the early weeks of life. The unborn child is only one-sixth of an inch long, but is rapidly developing. The backbone, spinal column, and nervous system are forming. The kidneys, liver, and intestines are taking shape."


The embryo only starts developing its brain at 5 weeks (however, there is a neural tube which I guess is part of the spinal column at 3 weeks).

:)

Regards,
Anthea
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Howard
Posted on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dear Anthea

I certainly did not claim to be having contacts with Semjase, as stupid as that would seem, im sorry if i mistakenly made you believe so.
What I meant is that the first 26 contacts with Semjase i READ was in swedish, on this web-page; http://www.galactic.no/semjase .
While Billy may be a 4.6 on the evolutionary scale (contact 6), im nothing more than a 2.6 :)
This is a great forum by the way!
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Scott B.
Posted on Tuesday, December 25, 2001 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Anthea & Savio

Thanks very much for your ideas.

I think what I was driving at was, is it possible for the spirit after it has entered the fetus to make the decision it doesn't want to be born?

If this is possible then would it be considered a form of suicide?

Any free thinking individual can if he chooses terminate his own life, but is this possible at this early stage of development.

Maybe the Psyche has to be developed to a point before it can understand this is even an option?

Still thinking about it........

Salome
Scott B.
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STEVE TILL
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2001 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HI SCOTT/
IT IS TRUE, I BEIEIVE,THAT A SPIRIT FORM MAY WITHDRAW FROM AN EMBRYO IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FETUS,THAT IT DID NOT AGREE TO ACCEPT[thru kharma].THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT WOULD CAUSE UNDUE HARD SHIP.AS FOR CLASSIFYING A WITHDRAWAL AS A SUICIDE. SUICIDES ARE SEEN BY SOCIETIES AS THE LAST RESORTS OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL OR PERSONAL PROBLEMS. SINCE THE EMBRYO HAS NOT DEVELOPED THESE POTENTIALS ,THEN A CLASSIFICATION OF SUICIDE,WOULD NOT MEET THE CRITERION FOR THE SOCIAL DEFINITION OF SUICIDE.
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Anthea
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Howard,

Thank you for the explanation - your first post was unclear in exact meaning. :)

I think you will have read in another string here on the forum about the "BS factor" of all sites purporting to have "channeled" info about the Plaiedians - this "galactic.no/semjase" site included!

Billy has many detractors that spread vicious lies about him and the Plejarens around - this is very unfortunate because it makes it all the more difficult for sincere seekers to find the true facts about these matters.

As another participant pointed out, the only websites that can be counted on for 100% accuracy with regard to Billy Meier, and his contacts with the Plejarens, are the official FIGU website, BillyMeier.com and the other officially recognized groups such as FIGU Japan. But again - it is entirely up to the individual to use own discretion by deciding for him/herself how to evaluate all information for its truth content - that is something only the reader can do.

No-one can tell anyone that this or that is the truth - it is an entirely personal decision and matter. In my opinion, if any person tries to persuade another to "believe" any given information as the truth there might be reason to suspect ulterior motives of a negative kind. This is the difference with Billy Meier, the Plejarens and the FIGU. They encourage people to think for themselves, and to not "believe" all the information blindly without giving it some serious thought. Blind-belief is customary with religions, sects and cults; categories under which the FIGU most certainly does not fall.:)

Regards and Salome,
Anthea
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Anthea
Posted on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve,

Interesting comments ... can you provide a source for further verification?

Thanks and regards,
Anthea
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TerraX
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello everybody.This is my first posty in this discussionboard.I was wondering about something.I've read in the English version of the contact-notes that the Plejarans practice 'polygamy'.So basicly a man can have more then one wife.On Earth the natural birthrate is roughly 50% male 50% female,if the same would apply on the Plejarans homeworlds there would be a lot of bachelors.I wonder how that is handled.Does anyone have information on that subject?
Thanks.

Moderator: Hello TerraX, welcome to the board. Some information on this has been discussed by Andrew and others in the Human Relationships area, including the ratio of men to women. Just an FYI...
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TerraX
Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2002 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well,after some long searching I found what I was looking for.The ratio seems to be 2:1 or 3:1.That does imply that the Plejarans basicly have a female dominated society,interesting.
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Dennis Imm
Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2002 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder why gays and lesbians are born in the world where being gay does bring a lot of inconvenience or even a discrimination against them.
I believe, in a sense, they chose it to learn things they wouldn't otherwise, but it is just too hard to believe this large number of people, all of them, willingly chose it.
Please explain the reason for the existence of gayness while I guess it is totally out of balance based on nature laws, whether it is good or bad.
Thanks.
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Dennis,

As with most things... there is no one totally simple answer.

Some people are born with both genitalia... that is, both male & female sex organs.
Doctors often make totally "arbitrary" decisions as to what sex these people will become... & make physical modifications accordingly.

There would be genetic/spiritual/mental/sociological factors influencing all this... as well as what is said by FIGU/Billy etc.

I'm not really answering your question... but perhaps & hopefully giving you (& others reading this) some ideas to further contemplate & think about.

Salome,
JP
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Edward
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Dennis...and All...:)

Very interesting question you have there!

Why are Gays and Lesbians born.
Well I have been doing much reading in the past and do agree with some of the people that have written about male and female Homosexuality.
Well one way that homosexuatlity maneifests is by Bi-sexuality in the previous Life-time. One can just be Experimenting on this level but it Does...have an Outcome for your next incarnation.
This bi-sexuality...is for some..Also a Learning
proces to find and Identify of their Gender. So when they reincarnate into their next liftime...their Spirit..is abit Confussed..to go to which gender body.
So, a female spirit will enter a Male shell and a Male will enter a Female schell.
So..in that new lifetime...this person will have to live as he/she is in that lifetime.
One may ask:'but can I Straighten out my gender again'? Well, Yes ofcourse you can!
But this will be very very difficult for that person to not live as a Gay or a Lesbian...as we know..many such people will likely go on living this way.
Only a small minority..will find their way back to the Plus and The Minus..Male...Female Balanced elements/Sparks or the Univers..the Creation we All are a fragment of. So...thay Can become as it has intended to be by Creation.
As long as they still live their lives as Homosexual..they do/will have to accept the Consequences of many beings on earth. Which is and will Always be a struggle for them.
The Reaction of these people is only a part of nature's reacting. It is not normal...but normal...that Gays and Lesbians manifest...They Too Have To Learn...what Sexuality Is! As we all do. Not normal...I do Not mean Sick or what ever...just that it is not created my Nature and Creation it self. It too...Is Man-Made... (TV and the like try to normailze it...which does
Influence people)
But we do have to Accept these people that live on the same planet we live on. And help each other in anyway.
Again....some will take the right path...and other will not. This will be like that for many generations to come.
I myself know Lesbians and gays...very friendly people some are. But just like Hetero's...some of them can be uncomfortable too.
So there will Always be people who do not agree with their lifestyle. And we must acknowledge...that Some Dislike their way of life...and some Discrimenate them. We must make a differnce here. Their is a difference between disliking and discriminating.
Disliking is Not Hating them whereas discriminating is more heading that way.
I just want to get this correct too.
Nowadays...one cannot Dislike another person and then be called A discriminating person! This manifests now adays. Alas. If this manifests far into the future...We will not have Freedom of Speech...anymore.
So...I've come across the above mentioned in my
search for Truth...and if I'm not mistaken..some
of the above mentioned was also in Billy's material. Maybe put in another context I must add.
But the above mentioned was always acknowledged in my inner-self. Nice to come across great Thinkers and a Man/Prophet as Billy Meier.
The Talmud has some information regarding this Topic.
Do read this Great Book. You can buy at this WebSite. So...I hope you have more insight now regarding Homo-sexuality...in the Male and Female gender?

They Too...Have To Learn...as We All Do. I always say..."We are here to learn and to Dis-Learn!"

So I hope I have made the above clear...without
hurting anyones "Gemoed"...:)

Take care...Be Healthy....:)


Edward.....:)
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Edward, Dennis... all,

By what I understand, there is (technically speaking) no such thing as a male or female spirit... or any form of "spiritual polarity" as such.

Also, by what I understand, Spirit Forms do "cross genders" & this is normal. I don't think, though, that the "influence" of this crossing is as "significant" as we might assume...

We all have free will in each life to do or think what we want...

I suspect that there are additional factors involved, besides the "gender" which a Spirit Form inhabited in previous incarnations.

Regards,
JP
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Edward
Posted on Monday, February 25, 2002 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jean...and All...

Nice to hear from you...:)
Yes..I do agree with what you've said.
Even individual...has his/her own evolution purpose in gender. Well We humans have this qaulity of being Male or Female. Ofcourse..Creation as we know it is Not Male and Female. Creation is a Balanced Force...just as we should also be. I understand you when you say:
No male or female spirit. I was meaning from the point of view of One's Last incarnation.
So...that is what can cause the difference in the reincartion menifestating.
And ofcourse..every Life-Experience is different for every individual.

I would like to add, Billy once said that the human spirit is capable of modifing it's gen build-up. And with Bi-sexuality/homosexuality this has been proven by a reseacher. He studied male and female Bi-sexuals and scanned their brain. And after an amount or years he noticed a Change in their brain build-up!(scan was done once every periode)
There manifested a 'Tissue' in the brain that Never was there! The men become more Female..and the Women become more male...sort of speaking.
(Depending whereto the individual choose)
So...Billy is very correct with this. As I felt this my self.
Ofcourse...the reseacher...was being called a Homo-fobic...etc. Which he was not. He was just trying to prove...that the Mind/spirit if you will can make changes in the human body...if One really wanted to do this. And this finding was done about 2,5 years ago. And he even had chance to do autopsy on passed away aids and None-aids patients and they all had the Added Tissue. There was no mention of autopsy on female bi-women or lesbos.
So We Do have the ability to make our selves what we want....to some extend. And every One...his/her Own path...:)

Nice hearing from you..Jean...:)

Take Care...Be Healthy....

Edward....:)
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Edward
Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jean...and All...:)

Here is addtional topics...that may be intereseting?

Male and Female..Plus and Minus/Positive and Negative,(day and night, light and darkness, left and right,Up and Down, back and forth, war and peace, sad and happy, die and live....etc.)we should see more as a Virtual term. Ofcourse...the Absolute Absolultum...is Neither. It is Balanced and there is No Need for the Virtual term.
We utilze the Virtul term more for conveninance.
We know that a wall-socket has a Plus and Mins pools.In order to make a machine or others to work. It will not work if the wall-socket was plus/plus or mins/minus.
It would not create an energy to work the machine.
So with male and female realtion we can acknowledge the same. The Male-Plus and the Female-Minus;male/male and female/female can Not create an energy to Pro-create.
Example:
If we were to put, on an island, a couple of Homo-men on one, and a couple of Lesbos on one and a Hetero couple on one...Which of them would over-live after 100 years?
Simple as it is, the Hetero couple would...
ofcourse.
They Can Pro-create and the Male/Female...
Plus/Minus would go on existing.
Whereas...the Homo-men and Lesbo couple would seize to exist. So their way of live is somewhat Limited.

As mentioned in The Tulmud...that there is No animals in the animal-kingdom that are bi-sexual or homosexual.
The animal-kingdom live according to the Laws of
Nature and Creation. So they Live in Peace and Harmony and Balanced.
My logic and Common-sence has always acknowledged
this too. And I know some people have too.
So the animal-kingdom is a very very good example
for us on earth...of how we should live to keep
Peace and Harmony and a Balanced existence.

I really Disliked the line when one says:
"Don't act like an animal!"
It should be more...:
"Don't act like a Human Being!" .. :)

There is a groep of monkeys discovered that did act as bi and homosexual. And ofcourse...we can acknowledge here that this can only be caused by Human Sexual intervention. In a degenerate manner.
As mentioned in one of the bulletins mentioning
a degenerate groep of Homosexuals and Bi-sexual men having Sodomy with monkeys. Which caused the AIDS/HIV epdemic to manifest and be spread World-Wide.
Before I read the FIGU bulletin about the mentioned, I came across an article of similer sort. Some reseachers...believed that aids menifested by:
When in afrika one would have to have a blood trans-fustion...the white people would get the normal blood transfustion or was given blood form one of their own typ(white person). But in the case of the black people..they did not get the normal transfustion or blood from a white person; the got blood from a monkey! And that this triggered the virus to a part of the black people.

The second possibility was by Sodomy by degenerate
sexual acts. And they mentioned it could have been
doen by a groep of homosexuals and bi-men or with
others.
So...I was not very surprised when I read in one of the FIGU bulletins that AIDS/HIV was transmitted to humans by a groep degenerate Bi
and Homosexual men acting Sodomy with monkeys.
I can not say if the resceachers got their theory
form FIGU or were just on The Right Track? But it
was interesting to know...ofcourse.

As some may know, a cat and some other domestic animals have a sort of HIV-virus within their system, and they have a resistance-mechanisume which prevents the virus from spreading and the animals resistance-mechanisme does manage to keep the the whole system of the animal in Balance. But the virus of these animals can not be transmited to a human being. But in the case of the the monkey and the intervention by degenerate sexual sodomy men this did manifest as we all
know now.


Take Care....and Be Healthy...:)

Edward...:)
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James Roy Mizar
Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 04:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings Edward and all,
As far as I know females have an insiminating organ (lays dormant unless there are NO males, for humans I think it would be very rare)there are a group of frogs somewhere on our beautiful Earth they are all female and they are still able to procreate.

Joy be with you
James
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Lars
Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jmmanuel predicted as seen in the TJ.25:33 the
following...
"If at that time powerful people did not appear as did the celestial sons long ago, in order to bring to a stand still the unobstructed madness of the deluded dictators, truly Iam telling you: no human being would survive."

It is obvious that Jmmmanuel expected and knew
that "powerful people" must appear in order to
overthrow the deluded dictators so humans might survive.
But who are these powerful people to come?
are they the Plejarens?or Asket's race?or perhaps another race like Andromeda?

Jmmmanuel said he "Would announce the celestial sons anew in his renewed life." which must be his life as Billy now.

Also in TJ.25:47--55 It says,that god,a (JHWH)
would come and send his guardian angels with loud trumpets and gather his followers from all directions.

who is this god to come? is it a Plejaren JSCHWJSCH? who are the followers of this JHWH to
be gathered??? It sounds like a rescue mission to me.

The timing when this JHWH is to come is stated by Jmmanuel to be, "WHEN THE PEOPLE SEE THE HORROR OF
DESTRUCTION IN JERUSALEM, OF WHICH THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN, THEN THE END WILL COME." tj.25:20

This time must correspond with World War 3 as well
as with the dire trobules between the Israelis and the Palestinians. this time must be very near as all the signs are here now.

Is this why Ptaah said in Contact 251. "That there still exist descendents of old JHWHS who will come and make their voice heard..."???
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Scott B.
Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Edward

From what I understand A.C. electricity which comes out of the wall socket does not have a negative and positive polarity.

A.C. stands for alternating current, which means the flow of electrons travels (alternates) from one end of the circuit to the other. Hence there is no positve pole and negative pole.

In Direct Current (D.C.) circuits there is a positive and negative polarity. The electron flow travels from negative to positive, or one direction. Whereas in A.C. the flow of electrons travels back and forth in both directions.

Actually Mr. Tesla was the one who introduced A.C. over D.C. which is a more efficient way of transmitting electricity over distances.

I just had to put my 2 cents in....thanks

Salome
Scott B.
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Edward
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 06:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi James...and All....:)

Nice hearing from you...:)

Yes you are very correct about the frogs.
There are even all sorts of worms who are bother
genders..etc. And sure...I've wonder about this.
So I do accept there being life-froms that are both.
Always have.
But still We as human beings...can do more in which direction we want to focus our lives to.
As being 'Thinking' Beings...with a much higher
consciousness. We Beings as being Beings that can
Evolute to higer levels. So it can be which Perpose the life-from is utilized for...in their existance?

Nice hearing from you...
Take Care....Be Healhty....:-)

Edward...:)
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Edward
Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 06:10 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Scott....and All...:)

Nice hearing from you...:)

Yes your are very correct about the A/D-D/C eletricity.
Well..we on earth do use that Plus and Minus term
to explain it.(as in school electronics & others)
Thats why I mentioned using the Term 'Virtual'.
Yes, I have read much about Nicole Tesla.
This is standard at some schools where I was raised up.(even the school I went to....:)...)
And I was Always a Great admireer of his work.
Great Man....!!!!! Also a Bing of Wonders!

But, I was just trying to explain it as simple as
I could. It can be difficult to find ways to Compare to make One understand One's point, findings...and views.
Billy's material does make you Wonder and Think...
as it was Intended to be. Very Healthy for one's Brain cells....:)

Nice hearing from you....:)

Take Care....Be Healthy...:)

Edward....:)
PS: Please keep the change....:)
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all,

Lars: TJ.25:33
From what version TJ are you quoting?
Mine was copyrighted last in 1996... & reads somewhat differently in this passage than what you quoted.
Either way, I don't think that the writings mean that we should count on "being saved" by the Plejarens in the fashion you mentioned...??

AC/DC... interestingly, although AC doesn't have a polarity, if measured instantaneously (as with an oscilloscope) it will alternate between being positive or negative. 120 VAC changes polarity 60 times a second in North America.

Monkees/Apes... a very few have been observed to also kill each other's babies and eat them. It seems that these creatures are capable of degenerate behavior as well.

Just my 2 cents worth...
Regards,
JP
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Lars
Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello JP

The TJ version I quoted from was from the 1992
clear translation.
I have'nt as yet got the newer versions and I hear that there are some fairly sizeable differences between the several versions.can you cite me the 1996 version of TJ.25:47-55 ?

I can't help but remark and point it out that Jmmanuel is clearly predicting that a god a(JHWH)
will be coming and gathering his followers. and that unless powerful people appear No FLESH would be saved from the terrible times ahead. which is quite obvious as we see the present increasing
trobule and warfare throughout the world.

Jmmanuel also clearly says this time will be when the Horror of destruction is seen in Jerusalem as the prophets have spoken.
he must mean Daniel. as Daniel.9:26-27 speaks about the terrors of desolation in Jerusalem caused by some Prince to come.

If this tranlation is correct? then Jmmanuel is
saying a JHWH will come to gaurd and gather his followers during this time of horrible desolation.

May I remind us all, that the Plejarens have admitted on many occassions that probable events can be altered and changed due to pressing circumstances.
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Tuesday, March 05, 2002 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all

There is some info about homosexuality in FIGU Bulletin No. 2 under the heading "HOSTILE ATTITUDE TOWARD JEWS AND HOMOSEXUALS" ... it is mentioned that "Homosexuality is a natural type of sexuality that is against nature" along with explanations and quotes from the TJ and the OM. This Bulletin is available in English on the official FIGU website - figu.org

Regards,
Anthea
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lars,

If JP does not mind, I have the latest edition of the TJ - a much clearer and more accurate translation which was published in 2001.

Here are the verses from the 2001 TJ translation:

TJ.25:33,47-55

33. "If at that time mighty nations were not to intervene, as once did the celestial sons, to bring a halt to the unrestrained madness and deadly conduct of demented dictators, truly, I tell you, no human being would survive.

47. "So god is lord over the three human lineages, yet the laws and directives of Creation are eternally valid. Through these laws and directives, which represent Creation, humankind in its irrationality will bring cruel judgment upon itself.

48. "Humans owe their existence to god, who is the ruler over them; so they must follow his commandments and respect him as the greatest king of wisdom.

49. "In days to come, he will send forth his guardian angels who will sound their trumpets and call together his trusted followers from the four directions, from one end of the Earth to the other.

50. "Do learn a parable from the fig tree; when its branch puts forth leaves, you know that summer is nigh.

51. "So it will be for the people of that time; when they see all this transpire they may know that these events are upon them.

52. "Truly, truly, I say to you, this is how it will be.

53. "And that generation will not pass away until all this has happened.

54. "At some future time the heavens and the Earth will pass away, and so will the universe; but my words will not pass away because they are the words of truth within the laws of Creation.

55. "No one knows the day or hour when this will all take place, not the guardian angels nor god himself nor I, Jmmanuel; but only providence and destiny know this through the laws and directives of Creation, which possesses the greatest wisdom.

Lars, to my knowledge the entire chapter 25 does not speak of a "rescue" mission by an JHWH and his people who will land on the Earth and take people away in their spaceships, or who will physically protect certain people with their technologies, etc. if this is what you are meaning by "a rescue mission."

Rather I understand it to be a prophecy of the times we are living in right now - this is evidenced by reading verse 7 of chapter 25: "And Jmmanuel answered, saying, "Two thousand and more years will pass ...," in addition to verse 34. "Since the human populations will consist of far more than ten times five hundred million people at that time, great segments of them will be killed and eradicated and killed." At present the world population stands at around 7-billion.

Verse 33 of chapter 25 is a good example how much clearer the 2001 translation is. This verse is now self-explanatory in my opinion - referring to "mighty nations" instead of "powerful people," which could mean certain powerful governments on the Earth itself might step in before total anhilation occurs. (This is only my understanding - please don't take it as set in stone :)).

Furthermore, according to my own understanding, Verse 49 of chapter 25 is referring to "The Mission" i.e. the FIGU and its goal of disseminating the Truth about Creation. Verse 40 of chapter 25 backs this up: "Since I will certainly return at that time, I will let them recognize me." As we know by now, Billy is the 7th prophet in the 7-line of truth prophets as was discussed elsewhere in this forum. Jmmanuel's personality being one of Billy's past lives, thus one of the prophets of the 7-line of truth prophets as well.

Verse 26 of chapter 25: "If these days were not cut short, no one would survive; but the days will be cut short for the sake of the spirit and of life."

This means too, as far I understand, that one of the primary reasons for the "Peace Meditation" (which occurs every 1st and 3rd Sunday of each month) is to lessen the effects of a possible 3rd World War.

As you can see, any "rescue" lies in our hands entirely, we cannot expect the Plejarans to land their ships and evacuate us, etc., this would mean interference with our evolution here on Earth in its grossest form.

Regards and Salome,
Anthea
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Steve M.
Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Anthea,
When Jmmanuel says "God" who is he refering to ?
It makes me think of an ancient Lyran JHWH that was here at the time.
Jmmanuel was saying;"Humans owe their existence to god ?

47. "So god is lord over the three human lineages, yet the laws and directives of Creation are eternally valid.
48. "Humans owe their existence to god, who is the ruler over them; so they must follow his commandments and respect him as the greatest king of wisdom.
Salome,
Steve
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve,

I do think that Jmmanuel was referring to the JHWH that you mention, I'm not sure of his name -do you know it? I do know that over the course of time Earth has had a few (maybe more) JHWH's. It was not JHWH Ptaah, at least I can say that much with some confidence. :)

Salome,
Anthea
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A correction about the Salome (Peace) Meditation: Occurs every 1st and 3rd weekend of each month.

Salome,
Anthea
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Lars
Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Anthea

Thanks for citing me the quote from the latest version of the TJ.
I can see that the verse that varies from previous translations is
vs.33 of chapt.25: Which now reads, "Mighty nations" intervening to end the conflicts."
This I agree changes the situation to
some extent.
How'ever that in my estimation does not clear up or explain verses 48-49 about god, (a Jschwjsch) coming with his guardian angels and sending them forth to gather his followers." the Question remains,who is this JHWH to come?
and what is the purpose of the gathering of his followers?

I believe this question is valid and warrants further explanation. Lets take it to Billy he must know exactly what these verses mean and portend.

These verses seem to contradict what the Plejarens
have stated in their contacts.
that no god, or themselves are coming to deliver earth and bring to us the long hoped for peace."

How'ever If I remember correctly Ptaah stated to Billy in contact 251 "That there still exist descendents of old gods(JHWHS) who shall come and make themselves heard."

Could this statement by Ptaah, possibly have something to do with this verse in TJ.25:48-49 ?

I thank you for your input Anthea.

Salome, Lars
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Anthea ;
Jmmanuel was referring to the at the time JHWH, Kalatan .
Salome ,Mark
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Steve M.
Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 06:41 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark,Anthea,
Thanks for the reply & the name.I knew it wasn't JHWH Ptaah. I just couldn't think of his name. Only that he was of the Old Lyran decent.
Anyone know if Ptaah was our first Plejaran JHWH after the Old Lyran Gods? Come to think of it , what happened to the old Lyran Gods ? I know another wave of Old Lyrans came after our previous benefactors from the Sirius lineage eventually left Earth because they grew to fear the genetically manipulated peoples.I know the old Lyran Gods could not return to their home world(being banned for procreating here with the genetically manipulted peoples, playing God & probably for spreading the degenerate gene.)
They eventually died here & reincarnated here.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Salome,
Steve

I can't help wonder why Jammanuel would tell people/followers to obey these corrupt, power hungry old gods ?
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Norm
Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steve M., I think the Gods Jmmanuel was talking about, were the ones that helped him during his mission.
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Steve M.
Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Marc, Anthea, all,
A little keyword search has answered part of my question as to which JHWH was the first to come here from the Plejares(*ans.Pelegon,even though it was unanimously acknowledged at the time)So i'm to assume Kalatan was the last Old Lyran God ?
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Inger Wikstrom
Monday, May 07, 2001 - 10:53 pm
Hello Forum,
I've been told about a list of JHWH names. Now I wonder if these names are names of true JHWHs or just myths and when they ruled here on Earth. Here are the names:
El Gibbor
El Shaddai
El Elyon
El Olam
JHWH Wlohim
Adonai JHWH
JHWH Sabaoth (Or does this name refer to Jehova
Zeboath?)
JHWH Jireh
JHWH Nissi
JHWH Shalom
JHWH Pelegon
JHWH Raah/Rohi
JHWH Tsidkenu
JHWH Shamma
JHWH Rapha
Jehova M'Kaddesh
JHWH Kalatan (Is this the name of the JHWH when Jmmanuel walked among the people of the Earth?)
Does Earth have an JHWH now? Does anyone know anything about this?
Regards,
Inger
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Marc Juliano
Tuesday, May 08, 2001 - 07:30 am
Hello Inger,
When asked by Billy on Feb. 3, 1995, Ptaah responded that Earth would not be without an JHWH for too long. There are descendants of old "gods" that would make themselves heard. Unfortunately, he was only able to tell Billy the details in private.
With regard to your list of names, only Pelegon and Kalatan look familiar to me. Kalatan was the JHWH at the time of Jmmanuel. Pelegon was a scientist who was unanimously acknowledged as an JHWH by the people with whom he escaped around 50,000 years ago from the war-torn
Plejares, just before peace prevailed there.
Regards,
Marc
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There is still the matter of why Jammanuel was telling people to obey these old corrupt Gods ?
Salome ,
Steve
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Steve M.
Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Norm,
I'm sorry I didn't acknowledge your reply.I had left my "Add Message" window up & I didn't see your posted reply. Thank you for replying.
Who were the gods helping Jmmanuel with his mission.
I thought all the old gods were corrupt & not acting in humanities best interest?
Salome,
Steve
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Norm
Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steve, We know that Gabriel was Jmmanuel's father, and he was an ET, I would assume Gabriel worked with others and got his orders from someone.
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, March 08, 2002 - 07:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all,
I'm a bit disapointed there was no answers to this last very important question.
Gabriel was Jmanuel's father , where did her come from ?
Most important-47. "So god is lord over the three human lineages, yet the laws and directives of Creation are eternally valid.
48. "Humans owe their existence to god, who is the ruler over them; so they must follow his commandments and respect him as the greatest king of wisdom.(Following his commandments & respecting a god as the greatest king of wisdom-This would be no problem if we knew the God Jmannuel speaks of.)
So who is the God Jmannuel is saying is ruler over Humans ? What God is he speaking of ? Why is he not saying to live in accordance with creation , instead of a God(or Kalatan) ??
Obviously this God is no longer here.
How do any of these religous scriptures hold thier relevance now?
48. "Humans owe their existence to god,"????
Humans as well as this God owe their existance to Creation.
48. "Humans owe their existence to god, who is the ruler over them;")Sounds like a master & slave relationship to me.
Now don't get me wrong.I think the 10 commandments are WELL worth following.
I think everyone should be a good person ,help one another.I don't think that people should be cruel.We should all have sympathy & empathy for those less fortunate.Help eachother anyway we can.I believe we should love our neighbors, all creatures & living things as well as our enemies.
If anyone who knows the answers to the above questions , please feel free to straighten me out or enlighten me because all of this is sounding way to much like religion.
One of the reasons Plejarans have not publicly made their presence known is because they don't want to be seen or worshipped as gods , right.
Salome,
Steve
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Lars
Posted on Friday, March 08, 2002 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello all

I just completed constucting a 9" inch square copper pyramid, so I can perform the Salome meditation.

Can anyone tell me when the next Peace meditation time is? or what time this would equivalent to on the east coast EST?

Making the copper pyramid was fun. a nice little project.

If anyone has any tips on doing the meditation
please advise, as I'm a beginner....

Salome, Lars
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, March 08, 2002 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well this sort of answers the question to who Jmmanuel was calling God? Answer >" the leader of the celestial sons"
Pasted from Mr. James W. Deardoffs site/ TJ overview-
Basically, this theme involves discussions of the human spirit, its gradual evolution over innumerable lifetimes, its immortality and its eventual merger with and into the Great Spirit or Universal Consciousness or God, which the TJ refers to as Creation. A related theme teaches the distinction between human-like beings much advanced over us(called guardian angels and celestial sons), and Creation; these beings are of course commonly referred to as extraterrestrials (ETs) or aliens today. Their leader, for whom Jmmanuel had great respect, is referred to as God, since the Aramaic word, "El," as in "Immanuel," is by tradition translated as "God."
Here is the conflict.
**The Great Spirit or Universal Consciousness or God, which the TJ refers to as Creation.
Yet God also refers to the leader of the celestial sons because of Jmmanuels great respect for him. The word God seems to be pretty interchangable as seen here(47. "So god(jhwh?) is lord over the three human lineages, yet the laws and directives of Creation are eternally valid. Through these laws and directives, which represent Creation, humankind in its irrationality will bring cruel judgment upon itself.
Honeslty , to me God is a MAJOR flag word.
So was the leader of the celestial sons the JHWH Kalatan & was he responsible for the commandments? ?
48. "Humans owe their existence to god,(*I feel gods & all humans owe their existence to CREATION) who is the ruler over them; so they must follow his commandments and respect him as the greatest king of wisdom.
This seems to be saying"Humans owe their existance to(JHWH)who is ruler over them;so they must follow his commandments & respect him as the greatest king of wisdom(king of wisdom=JHWH)
"Being ruled over" does not sound like part of the laws and directives which represent Creation.
Salome,
Steve
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Glenn Mckenzie
Posted on Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve,

I'm with you 100 percent... If the Plejarans say that Creation is the way, and the laws of creation are what is needed for the spirit to progress. Then, why make rulers, god-like figures? Maybe, they were just meant to be looked at as, knowledge guides? Maybe the past people of earth have mistaken or misread this message. Let's face it...... every race has/needs governments, don't they?? And I'm sure the Plejarans STILL have this in place. They class the JHWHS as being the most knowledgable...... and to be deemed as such.

Who knows?, maybe the Plejarans have lower class people, that don't have access to the knowledge and toys (beamships) that Ptaah, Semjase, Quetzal, Tauron, etc., have access to???

Upon saying that,,, I do question 'the building of the pyramids with 200,000 slaves'? Who ruled and designated those people as slaves??
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Steve M.
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 07:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Answering my previosly unanswered questions -
Gabriel- was from the Pleaides(as called then).
Semjasa- was the leader of the celestial sons and the one Jmannuel reffered to as God.
The most important statement has no replies-

48. "Humans owe their existence to god,(*I feel gods & all humans owe their existence to CREATION) who is the ruler over them; so they must follow his commandments and respect him as the greatest king of wisdom.
This seems to be saying"Humans owe their existance
to(JHWH)who is ruler over them;so they must follow his commandments & respect him as the greatest king of wisdom(king of wisdom=JHWH)
"Being ruled over" does not sound like part of the laws and directives which represent Creation.Any comments or arguements ?

Salome,
Steve
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Savio
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 07:31 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve

Shall we try to understand what is the meaning of "Human owe their existence to god" first ?

I think we owe our existence to our parents, same as our parents owe their existence to our grand parents.

We usually show respect to our ancestors because of this.

On the other hand, it seems that human will not owe them anything further because the three races came into existence because of "lust" (if my information is correct), or what Andrew once named it "monkey love".

More comments please.

Regards

Savio
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Steve M.
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Savio,
I certainly agree with your statements.I think we owe our existence to our parents, same as our parents owe their existence to our grand parents. We usually show respect to our ancestors because of this.
Certainly there is nothing wrong with respecting ones lineage or ancestory.
However , if we take this all the way back in time , does it mean we owe our existance to God , or do all humans,as well as Jmannuel & the god/gods owe our existence to Creation?
As we have learned the answer is Creation.
What does being "ruled over" encompass ??
Also, why is it mentioned from the TJ "the 3 human lineages" when in the contact notes , 5 races are spoken of coming to Earth?
Salome,
Steve

P.S- I look forward to seeing the reply to your divorce question ? That was a good one.
Also my friend , I believe all 5 human races came here together , since many diverse races existed as far back as Enoch & all 5 came here from Mars when Semos & Passas headed for Earth with the desendents of the genetically manipulated peoples from Sirius.
PASTED FROM within CONTACT #251 -
The five races fleeing to Mars and Malona/Phaeton were joined by two other creator-overlord
races. These two other races had not yet been genetically-manipulated, of course, and had no changes made to their DNAs.
They were the benefactors who identified favorably with the genetically-manipulated people, and they assisted them in their escape. Their origins are traced to two different overpopulated planets in the Sirius regions where everyone was prohibited
from procreating. As a result, every child born was murdered and the offending parents were sterilized and banished.
ALSO PASTED FROM CONTACT#251-
Ultimately, the antagonists reached an agreement
whereby those who wanted to do so departed from planet Mars in the direction of Earth and Malona. Subsequently, many people from both camps grouped together to emigrate jointly, some of whom travelled to the planet Malona/Phaeton and the
others to Earth. The emigration group leader to Malona/Phaeton was called Zenteka, whose wife (Amalaka) concurred with him. The earthbound group also had two emigration leaders who were brothers called Semos and Passas.
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve,

I've been thinking over your posts (& others) for a while now...
Just thoughts...

#1 - Although the TJ uses the term "God"... the Plejarens presently seem to find the term "distasteful". They presently don't seem to follow the "Ruler" thing as we tend to think of it now (authoritive). They seem to look back on the "God thing" as something which must be corrected (And thus the "Meier Contacts info." Amongst other reasons, of course).

#2 - Given, that the Plejarens have recently involved themselves so much in "extraterrestrial affairs"... (Giza group stuff & contacts with other races dealing with earth etc.)... If we knew the extent & details of all what they did... I would estimate/guess that we probably do owe our present life-style & even lives(?) to their involvements....

#3 - The earth seems to be in somebody's (ET's) "air-space". The "High Council" seems to direct (or whatever) what this group(s?) does. Probably, we could be said to be in the "High Council's" air-space... or under their indirect influence... and yet we still have autonomy...??? We determine the outcome of our own future, as per our own free will. Interesting situation... which I hope we eventually will learn a whole lot more about. I wonder what is involved in joining the "Confederation of Planets"... "under" the "High Council" (or whatever it is called)??

#4 - I wonder how much Jmmanuel knew about all the above... or how much he was allowed (or found practical) to speak in the TJ passages you are examining? Given the context of the entire section & who he was speaking to...

Just thoughts...
JP
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve ;
The questions you have are understandable , but there are factors that you overlook :
1 . Jmmanuel was speaking in his own time , and not to the people of today .
2 . If he would have mentioned Creation , or the Absolute Absolutum , people ( of his time) would only be confused .These were people that really didn't even know what stars were , much less the many other facets of knowledge that we are privy to today .
3 . The 'god' he referred to was not a despotic IHWH ruler , such as Jehova or Arus , but a kind and benevolent King of Wisdom , named Kalatan .

If you look deeper into the writings and try to understand them yourself , the true meanings will make themselves clear over time . It only seems that you were critisizing the Talmud of Jmmanuel , but I realize that you were only questioning the clarity or accuracy of it , if I read your post correctly .

Salome ,Mark
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Savio
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve

48 "Humans owe their existence to god"

Can we understand this as : Humans owe their existence (not being exterminated) to the JHWH, because
Kalatan saved earth humans (from slavery....) from Jehav and Jehovan.

(150 B.C. Kalatan a well loved JHWH came into power, taking over from Jehav and Jehovan.)

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" who is the ruler over them"

I agree with Mark, Jmmanuel was talking to people of his time and using the then language.

At that time, I think they did not have the word "President", perhaps "supreme leader" is the proper word?

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" so they must follow his commandments and respect him as the greatest king of wisdom."

I think this is quite the same nowadays say in the USA under the leadership of the president.
People respect him and observe the laws of the states/country.

Regards

Savio
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Steve M.
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All,
Thanks for the comments. Talking about Creation is the most relevant topic of the TJ as well as reincarnation, & Jmannuel seems to suggest that Karma exists.
The TJ is eloquently written. A work of art.What I'm saying though is what Marc , Jean Pierre , Savio & Glen are hinting at.The TJ is extremely important for setting the record straight about the history Jesus's life. However ,much of the dialog , other than that of Creation are antiquated. They do not apply any longer(if they do , we are in trouble).Yes, I'm sure when he says "God" he does simply mean king of wisdom. They don't want that term used any longer.(maybe that's where the commandment comes from"thou shalt not speak the Lord, Gods name in vain").Could be back then they did not want the word God used by us."Being ruled over" I'm pretty sure doesn't mean they want to enslave the Human race. All the nations today have rulers.
Mainly the point I was making was that he was indeed speaking in a way to the people of that time & that time only. It all can't be taken literal anymore.(all these are things we should ask Billy- next round perhaps).
Marc, I wasn't criticizing the TJ. I was & am criticizing Jmannuels choice of words , or his words as they were written or re-written ."Humans owing their existence" & "being ruled over" are just some of the kinder examples.
Should this next quote be taken literally by us today ? Would it be excepted by Humans now ? Is it relevant anymore ? Could be Jmannuel said it because he was concerned(& rightfully so) about over-population).Humans now wouldn't except this -
**TJ 12:4-5 4It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." 5If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized."
All I'm saying is this is another example of a quote being antiquated! Marc , what would you read into that statement?
These kinds of quotes are simply wrong. I don't care who said them. Where Creation is concerned & what Semjase has said is humans are supposed to make mistakes.(in my opinion without being castrated for them ).Humans need to make them to evolve. Learn from mistakes , grow from the experiences. Freewill & freedom of choice is all important. Simply Love & Respect all Life.
Salome,
Steve
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Savio , we have a new president now , since 2001 .
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JAY
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all,

The laws and directives of Creation as stated in the TJ are not unfair at all in my opinion, SEMJASE has mentioned to Billy many times the Human development and spiritual development in our planet are not up to higher standards for us to even understand why they say these things in the TJ:

"TJ 12:4-5 4It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." 5If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized."

you have to see how much we have degenarated in spirit to really understand what this is saying and why as an example SEMJASE thinks we are not Spiritually developed. When our developed spirits reach a higher conciousness then maybe we will understand those verses more clearly :) It may want to come down to that way of rule since over popiulation is in a high explotion level at this time.

Be well to all :)
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Steve M.
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jay,
Actually I would say Spiritually many of us are more advanced than previous incarnations from the distant past.
Perhaps you don't have a problem with the brutality of TJ 12:4-5 & 5I. Perhaps you haven't thought that now there are less brutal procedures like vasectomies instead of castration for instance. Who do you think would be doing the castrating or sterilizing ? A higher evolved being ?
Over population could very well have been Jmannuels concern, but in current times we DO have different types of birth control & contraception . These did not exist then.
Salome,
Steve
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JAY
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve M.

Well Steve I was more focused on the idea that we are more degenarate spiritually now than in the times of some of the poeople of Jmmanuel's time. That was the reason why I said my statements in the manner of which I presented them, you do have a point on the more advanced procedures:)and I over looked that aspect, however to me is more like we are material and Technologic growing in an advancement now but still not able to grow in spirit.

Steve question for you, since you worked 3 Blocks from the WTC Towers where abouts in NYC you reside?, the reason I ask is because I live in NYC also and I worked in Building 3 next to the Atrium at Delloitte and Touche, LLP. Is hard to find people in this city who have the same beliefs and spirituality as we do (meaning FIGU), I never thought that I would run into someone here from NYC also. Maybe we can talk more over email, let me know and Salome to you and thanks for making me aware of other forms of sterilization:)

BE WELL Steve M :)
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Steve M.
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jay,
Not to sound to disagreeable, what I'm trying to get across is I don't think people are spiritually more degenerate now. They were less evolved spiritually(or more degenerate) in Jmannuels time because they have had less incarnations to develop & evolve through than people alive today. I believe even Jmannuel told Billy that Billy was more spiritually envolved than he ,due to having more incarnations. Anyone with theories about this ?
When I saw the 2nd plane hit I was on my way to work at 1 Liberty Plaza(across the street from the WTC).Now for obvious reasons we have relocated down off Water St.
Believe me Jay , we are not the alone in our thoughts & ideas. Shoot me an e-mail sometime if you like.

Salome all,
Steve
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JAY
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve M.

send me your email I dont see one in your profile, mines is located in the profile.

Salome :)
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lars,
I'm curious about the pyramid you constructed...
Where did you get the proportions & assembly info?
If you wish, you can email me personally.
Regards,
JP
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Lars
Posted on Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello JP

If I'm not mistaken? I got the 9'inch pyramid
specifications from somewhere within the dialouge about performing the peace meditation written on this site.

It said 9" as I recall that copper should be the material used, as copper is an excellent conducter for electrical energy. so I got some thin copper tubes from a local art supply store
cut them out 9' and sodered them together into a 9" base square pyramid. finally i also sodered a
thinner piece of copper wire to the pyramids capstone as a transmit antenna. overall the final product came out pretty good. total time invested
to make it was about 4 hours.

The only info I lack now, is when to peform the Peace meditation EST in synchronicity with Figu and Erra. has anybody out there the dates for the Peace meditation EST?

Lars
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Jani Johannes Metso
Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 07:16 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Steve M., all,

I don't consider sterilization or castration to be brutal or outdated procedures concerning the restriction of the overpopulation and methods of penalties for those who violate the possible laws of procreating etc.
In the writing "A Crusade Against Overpopulation" Billy suggests these methods, among others:

"Penalties for violations:
A) Fines equivalent to 10 annual salaries for both offenders
B) Sterilization of both offenders
C) Castration of offenders involving assault or rape, etc. The offenders are segregated from society and by gender for life
D) The offenders' children are taken away from the parents and raised by the state through foster/adoptive parents"

I understand these penalties to be applicable for all cultures?

Salome,
Jani
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Steve M.
Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jani,
Actually I don't disagree with these things you bring up(points A through D), BUT, that's if you already have the 3 children you are permitted to have and you go ahead & have more anyway.(FIGU does support a 3 child limit)
The castration & sterilization referred to in TJ would be implemented for simply sleeping with someone who is not your wife , or for sleeping with someone you do not love(even if both people are single). In this case, according to TJ you can be castrated/punished. Even without having any children created in the process. That is just wrong. People have needs. We are not Catholic priests.
If you are single , have no children & you have intercourse with someone & both people are consenting adults(using birth control or not). I don't think these things you mention are necessary at all.
Why should these kinds of punishments be imposed for seeking pleasure when you're not hurting anyone & you are not adding to the population problem ?

Salome,
Steve

Jay, my e-mails on the profile.
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Glenn Mckenzie
Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lars,

The peace meditations (europe time) are 6:30 and 8:00 pm on Saturday's and 8:00 pm on Sunday's!(an hour later in summer)

If your location is eastern U.S.A., (Maine-Florida) add 6 hrs. to those times. If your location is eastern Canada (NFDL, N.S.) add 5 hrs. to those times. If you're still not sure... you can view a global time zone map at:
www.worldtimezone.com

Take care,
Glenn.

Moderator: Hello Glenn -- The correct time for the Eastern time zone in the U.S. is 12:30pm and 2:00pm on Saturdays and 2:00pm on Sundays (subtract 6 hrs. from Central European Time, not add). Regards, Marc
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JAY
Posted on Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Steve,

Thanks..... I sent you an email.

BE WELL :)
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Steve M.
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some quotes from Semjase that pertain to the string-
12.many people have the audacity to link us to human religions. We have nothing to do with religions now nor will we wish to at a later date.
21. In reality we are human beings just like you terrestrials but our knowledge and wisdom are far superior to yours, and so is our technology.
40. Above everything there remains but one that possesses the power of life and death over all creatures.
41. It is Creation alone, which extends its laws over everything.
46.**** May man recognize that a god can never assume the role of Creation or decide over a person's destiny.

47. A god is but a governor as well as a human being who powerfully reigns over his fellowmen.
48. God is not Creation but only one of its creatures like all creatures, who are dependent upon Creation.}
49. But man follows his erroneous religious belief and claims that God is Creation itself.
50. He goes even further and claims that a normal human being by the name of Jmmanuel, who has been also called Jesus Christ through intentional lies, is God's son and Creation itself.
53. They clearly originate lies that we, or our brothers and sisters from other parts of the cosmos, are coming as angels and the like upon direction from God (meaning Creation) to bring terrestrial mankind the long desired peace, the truth of religion and God's protection.
54. This is nothing more than a well-planned lie by sectarians, frauds or charlatans.
56. Creation itself never gives commands because it embodies the greatest power in this universe, and never has to resort to commands or religions.
61. We know that you are aware of a secret old text whose originals were unfortunately destroyed through the carelessness of our delegate, your friend, who, regrettably, has failed through fear.
62. Disseminate the translation of this text, for it is the only truly authentic one and free from lies.
63. We also know that you are writing a book on this text and on the real truth.
64.To us it seems to be the most important book ever written by a human being of your Earth, even though it will be harsh in its language and be met with hatred.
65. It finally offers the truth to the Earth humans, although it still contains some speculations.

Salome,
Steve
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Michael
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regarding:

56. Creation itself never gives commands because it embodies the greatest power in this universe, and never has to resort to commands or religions.

It seems we must find a better, yet accurate, term for the Twelve Commandments (Decalogue.)

Michael
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael ;

The Twelve Bids ,Twelve Directives , the Twelve Strong Suggestions , "The Top Twelve list" , the Twelve Wise Paths , Twelve Essentials , " Wisdom of the Month " , Twelve Guidelines .....
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Michael
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Marc,

Twelve Cool Things to Do if You want to Evolve, A Dozen Directives, Twelve Trusty Truths, etc.
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mike ;

The Ten to do's ( now with 2 bonus tracks from the original sessions !)
the Direct Dozen . OK , I'm done .
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Steve M.
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael & Mark,
Now those last 4 posts put a smile on my face.
Mr. Horn , I am told due to you being on Art Bell there have been many book orders for "And Yet They Fly".I believe the exact words where "inundated with orders" Excellent. Congratulations.
Salome,
Steve
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Michael
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Steve,

Leave it to Mark to kick the cosmic comedy ball and get it rolling. And, yes, a lot of Guido's books are getting out into the world now as Art has a very, very large audience. We're definitely grateful that he was open-minded enough to have us on.

Michael
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Norm
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its funny, I forgot Michael was on Art that night, and fell asleep. I woke up at 2am and remembered he was on, turned on my radio and listened til 4am, then I fell asleep again. I guess I missed the last hour. :(

Keep up the good work Michael!
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JAY
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi ALL,

Yes Art Bell was the best, anything is better than having Mike Gallager or any of those guys from KRLA radio station.

Micheal Horn, congratulations!!!.... I am sure MR.Guido will be pleased to his boots :)

BE WELL to all :)
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Michael
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks guys,

The fun's just beginning...then again you should see some of the email from a few religious types!

Michael
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Lars
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Glen and the Moderator

Thanks for the information, now I can perform the Peace meditation at the appropiate times so it becomes effective.

My regards,Lars
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lars,

All the specifications and requirements for these specific pyramids are not included in the contact notes - there are some additional finer and very important factors involved in the construction and correct use. The best advice is to contact the FIGU is Switzerland direct and get the correct specifications and instructions for use.

Salome,
Anthea
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Glenn McKenzie
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lars,

Marc has posted the proper peace meditation times and here's some more info for you, taken from SpiritualTeachings/Peacemeditation link:

The vowels in the following meditation sentence –

"Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!" are pronounced in English phonetics as follows:

Saalome (aa = father) gum naan (aa = father) ben uurda (uu = crew, moo) gun neeber asaala (aa = father) hesporona (o = tone, go).

The meditation pyramid is placed either on a table if the person(s) meditates while sitting at the table, or in a slightly elevated position on a stool on the floor (the top of the antenna should be level with the meditators' foreheads). When several meditators of varying height participate in the meditation, an average level may be selected.

Using a compass, one of the pyramid's diagonal lines must be aligned due north; that is, the four corner points are directed toward the four cardinal points of the compass, namely North, South, East and West. When meditating as a group (two or more persons), we recommend that someone be designated beforehand who signals the beginning and the end of the peace meditation.

Posture:
1. The meditators either sit at a normal height (no upholstered seats or the like) around a table, or else, they take a lotus/cross-legged position or sit on their haunches on a carpeted surface, whereby a small stool or a cushion, blanket, and so forth, is used as a seat. It is important that the spine and the head be relaxed and upright throughout the entire meditation period.

2. The minimum distance to the pyramid must be more than 50 cm (20"), measured from the chest to the pole of the antenna.

6. When the individual meditates at a table, both arms are extended toward the left and right sides of the pyramid in front of the individual, hands held open vertically with fingertips pointing toward the pyramid while the narrow edge of the palms rests on the table.

take care,:)
Glenn.
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Glenn McKenzie
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lars,

Marc has posted the proper peace meditation times and here's some more info for you, taken from SpiritualTeachings/Peacemeditation link:

The vowels in the following meditation sentence –

"Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!" are pronounced in English phonetics as follows:

Saalome (aa = father) gum naan (aa = father) ben uurda (uu = crew, moo) gun neeber asaala (aa = father) hesporona (o = tone, go).

The meditation pyramid is placed either on a table if the person(s) meditates while sitting at the table, or in a slightly elevated position on a stool on the floor (the top of the antenna should be level with the meditators' foreheads). When several meditators of varying height participate in the meditation, an average level may be selected.

Using a compass, one of the pyramid's diagonal lines must be aligned due north; that is, the four corner points are directed toward the four cardinal points of the compass, namely North, South, East and West. When meditating as a group (two or more persons), we recommend that someone be designated beforehand who signals the beginning and the end of the peace meditation.

Posture:
1. The meditators either sit at a normal height (no upholstered seats or the like) around a table, or else, they take a lotus/cross-legged position or sit on their haunches on a carpeted surface, whereby a small stool or a cushion, blanket, and so forth, is used as a seat. It is important that the spine and the head be relaxed and upright throughout the entire meditation period.

2. The minimum distance to the pyramid must be more than 50 cm (20"), measured from the chest to the pole of the antenna.

6. When the individual meditates at a table, both arms are extended toward the left and right sides of the pyramid in front of the individual, hands held open vertically with fingertips pointing toward the pyramid while the narrow edge of the palms rests on the table.

take care,:)
Glenn.
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Lonnie Morton
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lars,

From what I have heard, the FIGU does not give out specifications for pyramids anymore, nor do they ship them out anymore. The reason for this is that they usually are not made correctly and therefore will not work properly. They don't ship them anymore either because they get damaged during shipment. The only way to be sure to get a meditation pyramid according to the exact specifications of the Plejarans that works, is to go to the Center and get one, or have someone bring one back for you.

Regards,
Lonnie
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Lars (& new forum members),

It's also possible to "frizzle something" in your "energy system" (mind or wherever)... if the pyramid dimensions or construction details are "off".
(I/We could tell you stories...!!)

I commend you on your project though... sounds pretty cool.

Pyramids & "energy devices" are a new science... much mis-understood & most likely very abused by the "new-agers".
Us "Earthers" don't have the technology to measure and therefore understand the energies involved, (or their effects) yet, in an "established" scientific sense... at least that I'm aware.
(If anybody has decent new info on this... please speak up, eh?)

I/We are just making sure that the "new people" on this forum know the situation... is all.

Thanx Lonnie, Anthea, & especially Lars (for bringing this important topic up :) )

JP
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salome Meditation Times Worldwide:

Trying to figure out meditation times can be at times (!!) quite confusing... :)

I offer the following linkpage strictly for evaluation... as it's only the "best I can figure out" so far.

UTC Based Salome Meditation times

As always, if anybody has any better (or corrective) info, comments or whatever, PLEASE speak up, eh?

Salome,
JP
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Rita Keoughan
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi JP

Halifax: reads 3pm in Winter, Saturday. It is actually 1:30pm and 3pm Saturday, Sunday 3pm. I don't know if I am reading your chart wrong or if you need to double check that one.
That was a lot of work for you! You are very "fleissig".

Salome,
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Rita Keoughan
Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The German words for the day:

Was ist los?

?pu s'tahw (answer: read it backwards)

:)
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 08:11 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jay,

You are quite correct in your post when you say that the thickness of the copper used is extremely important. Once you have bought your pyramid from the Center you might understand what I meant by specific details not mentioned in the contact reports. Enjoy :)

Regards and Salome
Anthea
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Lars
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lonnie

Thanks for your info. It may be right that Figu's policy behaves this way now.

how'ever, I trust the previous pyramid plans for a 9" inch square copper pyramid.
Knowing myself a little bit about pyramids and what kind of energy they generate, I rest assured that copper pyramids generate tachions (faster than light speed energies) any pyramid structure generates tachions to a greater or lesser degree.
But a copper pipe pyramid generates a tachion field. this is why they become transmittal tools.

With a little manual dexterity anyone can learn to construct a simple copper pipe pyramid. how'ever the soldering can be tricky and very trying, so much patience is needed. Seeing how that the earthhuman needs to develop more patience I would recommed that all earthlings learn to make and soder their own copper Peace meditation pyramids, the whole process is really fun as well as gratifying.

Salome, Lars
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Lars
Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lonnie

Thanks for your info. It may be right that Figu's policy behaves this way now.

how'ever, I trust the previous pyramid plans for a 9" inch square copper pyramid.
Knowing myself a little bit about pyramids and what kind of energy they generate, I rest assured that copper pyramids generate tachions (faster than light speed energies) any pyramid structure generates tachions to a greater or lesser degree.
But a copper pipe pyramid generates a tachion field. this is why they become transmittal tools.

With a little manual dexterity anyone can learn to construct a simple copper pipe pyramid. how'ever the soldering can be tricky and very trying, so much patience is needed. Seeing how that the earthhuman needs to develop more patience I would recommed that all earthlings learn to make and soder their own copper Peace meditation pyramids, the whole process is really fun as well as gratifying.

Salome, Lars
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Rita,

I am very appreciative for your very informative comments.
They made me realize the info in the last link was confusing...!!
Please look over
http://eduardmeier.org/SMedTimes.htm

Strictly "prototype" or "For evaluation only"...
I would appreciate your comments...!!!
Anybody else's as well, eh?
I really like your useage of "fleissig" in your last post... in the language context that is.
Please continue to sprinkle more German words on us...!!! (Makes us look them up, eh?)

Danke & Salome :)
JP
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Rita Keoughan
Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi JP,

I understand your chart now that I had a second look. Your website is turning into a grand project!

Regarding the peace meditation, you might want to add specifics:

A required silence for 5 min before the peace meditation where we ought to be "in position" already.
A required 2 minutes of silence afterwards.
"IN position" meaning legs crossed at the ankles and pulled forward towards the body as far as possible, with hands placed palms down on the knees.

The antenna of the pyramid must be one arm's length to our forehead (if travel sized or SMALL) and at forehead level. The small pyramid is good for up to 7 people. The larger pyramid is suggested for study groups or other larger groups.

Salome,
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Rita...
I will place your info into the sitepage.
But... where's our German word for the day????
:)
Salome
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JAY
Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lars,

When creating or soldering the parts, due the parts need to be soldered or they need to be bent into corner seams and then soldered??... Do they also need to be completely solid with no seems around it as well after the melting process??

If possible can you email me a picture of what yours looks like? :) my email is in my profile here in the FIGU discussion board (click on my name).

BE WELL Lars :)
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jay,

Yes we do own one, it is not very elaborate in design, but there are some differences to what one would normally imagine. Unfortunately I cannot send you a picture at this time.

Take care,
Anthea
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lars,

There is very good reason for the meditation pyramids to be built to exact and specific measurements - although as you say you have some knowledge about 'pyramids' it is nevertheless important to note that these specifications were given to the FIGU by the Plejarens - not by Earth humans and their limited understanding in these matters.

By your description of the pyramid you built, it certainly seems that it might not be correct at all, especially the antenna part of it, since you say you got the specifications from the contact notes. As I have mentioned to you before, the contact notes do not reveal all the requirements for building the meditation pyramid. A question: Have you seen a meditation pyramid (built according to FIGU specifications) at all yet? It might not be anything like what you would imagine it to be. ;)

The best and most effective pyramids for meditation can only be obtained at the Semjase Silver Star Center in Switzerland at this time. It is thus NOT recommended that people with limited knowledge build their own copper pyramids - not only would these pyramids be eneffective but such pyramids could be very dangerous to say the least!! Especially without the specific details which can only be obtained from the Center in Switzerland.

Furthermore, as Lonnie explained - these pyramids are no longer being shipped out because even the slightest damage can be very detrimental to their effectiveness.

Furthermore, what is not generally known is that the pyramid shape has very dangerous powers if not used correctly, and it might be wiser to trust in the higher developed knowledge of the Plejarans when using these pyramids.

It is very commendable that you wish to partake in the Peace Meditation - and the FIGU encourages all those who are sincere about achieving peace, love and harmony on this planet to actively participate.

If it is not possible to go to Switzerland to obtain a pyramid for meditation - it is always possible to join someone that already has the correct pyramid for the meditation. The Salome is far more effective when it is practiced as a group, than when it is practiced by one person alone. As a matter of fact, the FIGU Core Group in Switzerland join together as one group to perform the Salome every 1st and 3rd weekend of each month, and this is of course, for very good reason I'm sure.

Kind Regards and Salome,
Anthea
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JAY
Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Anthea,

I had this mind a while back to go to the source and purchase one in Switzerland....I guess I will be taking my trip to Silver Star to purchase one or two pyramids for meditation here in the states then :).

I would only think the specifications for creating such pyramids requires very very detailed specifications to building the pyramids and is shape, the Plejarans may have also taken into consideration the type of mineral, metal and thickness needed to create the desired energy levels or frequencies, these are just my thoughts :)
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JAY
Posted on Monday, March 25, 2002 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Anthea,

Do you own a Pyramid from Silver Star Center??.. or have you had the chance to see one at the center and if so, is it a plainly designed or is it elaborate in its details?? Just in case you have one I would like to see if possible to send me a picture of it, my email is in my profile :) I need to really plan my trip out to SILVER STAR with a friend or a family member, this will be a trip that will never be forgotten for me.

BE WELL Anthea :)
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Norm
Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark, Where is the FIGU Society USA to be built? Did the Plejarens say? I would think some place safe that could withstand all those World Wars & environmental disasters predicted by the Plejarens.

Its funny I have been thinking about this same thing, for the last few months, that we need to start building a community. A place for us to live, start our own township, city etc. I would be willing to move there now, if I were not disabled.
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Thomas Turk
Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Having read the 4 books published by Wendel Stevens, seen all the videos, gone to Swiss and even stuck my finger into the ET-laser-made hole in Billy's apple tree; picked up photos,and talked to some of his group; as a retired airline Captain, (East Africa), with several of my own sightings... lets say, I believe. Now my question is this. Have any of u read Voyagers 1 and 2 by Ashayana Deane?? Although it sounds(?) convincing, the earth history is at almost complete variance with BM.. Any comments.
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Anthea Cossette
Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Mark, Norm ...

The FSU is at present in a "temporary" stage -- it could still be decided by the CG49 in Switzerland to discontinue the group, or to allow it to go on. This is dependent on matters that are strictly FIGU related, and thus only certain Passive Members at this time are privy to all the exact details as to "how, why and when." This is for very good reasons. I'm not sure, but I think more information about an official land group will be made available after June 30, 2002 when certain pertinent matters have been decided upon.

Regards and Salome,
Anthea
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Anthea ;

Thanks for your clarification about this . Actually I issued the post in the wrong section , which by now is in the Passive members area . If it's completely inappropriate for this section , our moderator can delete the string .

Salome , Mark
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Greg Lagerlow
Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could anybody explain to me the word for word translation of the Peace Meditation?I presume it means Saalome(Peace)gam(to)naan(the people)ben(of)uurda(earth),gan(and)njjber(among)assaala(all)hesporoona(beings).Is this correct?
Greg Lagerlow.
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Marc Juliano
Posted on Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Greg,

Pretty good presumption! According to FIGU, it means "Peace be on Earth, and among all beings."

Regards,
Marc
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Michael
Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Everyone,

With all the attention being paid to claims regarding various UFO and contact cases I think it’s important to set up some standards by which we can measure the validity of these things. What we are doing, regarding the lectures, interviews and upcoming videotapes on the Meier material that we are producing, is posing specific questions such as:

Is the case true?
What is the evidence?
What does it mean to us?

As such we look at the difference between speculation and facts. Speculation being that which is not yet proven and facts referring to that which has been proven to be true. Along these lines we, especially those of us who are partial to the Meier material, and who have drawn our conclusions based on our examination of it, have to be careful to not cite as facts things which are not yet proven to be true. While we may think, and even prove, that certain material in the case is true, we cannot state that all the material is true. Whether or not the information comes from Billy, Ptaah, Semjase, Quetzal, etc. we still have to consider much of it to be speculative. Otherwise we run the risk of being another bunch of “true believers” stuck in a cultic mindset and always saying, “Billy says…” or, “Semjase said…”, etc. We then will say with authority that this or that contact is true or false without firsthand knowledge that it is so.

In this light we offer that it’s time to leave the age of beliefs, for or against anything, and enter the age of knowledge.

In our current approach to presenting the material to the public we therefore acknowledge, and then set aside, all of Meier’s physical evidence, i.e. the photos, films, sound recordings and metal samples and seek to set a higher standard of proof. We define that higher standard as being prophetically accurate information, regarding very specific scientific discoveries, and worldly events, which had yet to be discovered or occur at the time that Meier wrote and published his information about them.

In this way we establish criteria that is certainly much more difficult to meet than the production of photos, for example. We have found in this regard that Meier has been anywhere from 1 – 20+ years in advance of terrestrial science in terms of his specific scientific predictions, or those given by the Plejarans. We also found that their predictions of terrestrial events such as wars, assassinations, natural disasters, etc. have likewise been accurate occurring anywhere from exactly on the date given to within a few days of it. And these predictions were for events anywhere from a few weeks to perhaps 15 years later.

Basically what we have then is information published at a known time well in advance of its confirmation through discovery or occurrence. What conclusions can we draw from this evidence? As Wendelle Stevens once asked: “How could this man have known?” What other than the extraterrestrial hypothesis can satisfactorily account for all of Meier’s accurate prophetic or predictive material? Feel free to suggest, and offer reasonable evidence for, other alternatives.

As far as other cases go, we can and should apply the same standard, especially since we well know how the “experts” dismiss photographic evidence, and sometimes understandably, when they say, “We don’t have the negatives so we can’t be sure.”

Now TerraX has been kind enough to send me some pictures, which I hope he will make available to all who wish to see them. I was impressed by a number of them and thought they looked “authentic”. But there’s nothing I can do with that, as I stated above. Let’s acknowledge that we all accept the idea that there are UFOs, whether they are terrestrial or extraterrestrial, we accept that there are advanced types of flying craft, of currently unknown origin, that have been around for a long time. So the pictures we see may, in some cases, be real objects. We just don’t know more than that. We can conjecture (speculate) that they are Plejaran, German, from the US, Bfath, etc. But we don’t know. And, as interesting as UFOs are, they are still just “somebody else’s aircraft”. For me, as fascinating as Meier’s photos are, it’s the spiritual information, the historical, environmental and scientific information that is much more interesting and of enduring value.

Now, TerraX also sent me information regarding, and originating from, Orfeo Angelucci in the mid-1950s. It was interesting reading, contained some things that were a little similar to Meier’s and some that were very religious in nature. Again, TerraX can share this with you if you are interested. But as I read the material I looked to see if there was anything that I could “take to the bank” in terms of specific scientific information. I didn’t see any in my first pass through the article. I think it’s very possible that this man had some type of experience with some beings. It’s also possible that, considering the hardship he encountered, he may have brought much of this out of his own subconscious. Perhaps he was subjected to “real visions” or a combination of all of the above. I simply don’t know and, after looking at this information (as it isn’t really evidence), I have to go to the final point: What does it mean to me?

With the Meier material as a standard of comparison I can truthfully say: Not much. That doesn’t mean it isn’t “true”. It’s just that there’s nothing that I can do with it. After 23 years of studying everything I can get my hands on in the Meier case I can say that there’s plenty for me to consider, learn from and question. Things Meier predicted or prophesied continue to come to pass in the areas of science as well and world events, specific material which I find to be extremely relevant to us today. Sources like the 251st Contact, and the (soon to be in English) Henoch Prophesies from 1987, are full of specifics, some of which have already come to pass, others which well may if we don’t wake up and do something about them.

So, in this context, let’s look at all of the “cases” and see if they add something to our current evolution. Do they stand the test of time? What can we do with the information contained within them, i.e. what does it mean to us? Let’s also apply this to our own mysterious experiences and seek to understand them, and their value to us.

I offer that, if we hold such standards and encourage objectivity we will neither have to struggle to defend, nor needlessly attack, but ultimately come to the truth regarding these matters.

Salome,

Michael Horn
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michaeld
Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hello Michael,
I agree with your statements, We shouldn't fall prey to "Billy's said this or Ptahh said that, but rather seek to find the true within each statement,each contact,and other writings> To blindly say is this true or this is not true, will only lead us to the current situation in the world. I am totaly willing and ready to work with other like-minded people to inspect,disect,and assimilate the information to come to a understanding of the information and find the meaningfull truth within...I feel I can help in the fields of (Creation,Love,Truth and Wisdom) for these are the areas that I strive to ponder,understand,and find meaningfull truth...HERE AND NOW....thanks michaeld
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Marc Juliano
Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael H.,

Wow...dare I say, "Amen"?

Thanks for that well-articulated food for thought. It's a lot for us all to think about with regard to how we evaluate and share the information in the Meier contacts, as well as other experiences and cases.

I know I've said more than once "Semjase/Billy said...". But in doing so, I usually feel more like a reporter, passing on information based on the presumption that the foundation of the Meier contacts has satisfactorily proven itself as being real (at least in my view). So, for instance, if Billy, Semjase or Ptaah say someone is a fraud, I really can't know that for myself until somehow, somewhere down the line, the data logically and convincingly proves itself--at least to a level of what I've come to accept as standards of reality and truth.

And I agree with your bottom line: What does any information in the UFO/spiritual area ultimately mean and/or do for us? Even if the UFO information leads down a religious path, as in some cases, we really should ask the hard questions about what the final, resulting end-product is within the information and if it logically fits--or doesn't fit--into our individual (and collective) picture called "reality."

Marc
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JAY
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Micheal and Marc,

Im glad that this has been placed in this forum in like manner as expressed by you Micheal H. This is really the bottom line in the HE SAID..SHE SAID, it brings us to a conclusion which will not have its hard facts until proven scientifically and done some good hard search. I think the information which was started by Wendelle Stevens in the 70's is one of the best approaches we had, the information was taken and the samples were all analized and proven by scientific community as very real. I believe this is one idea which can be revived in accumulating evidence. Mr. Stevens took a great approach in bringing the information to the public and the Goverments of our world, he took the risks for this but it brought out some excellent results at the time.

Micheal, should this approach be revived again or should we condense both ideas which you also believe, in a final concrete scientifical study for the world to see? Just like the inventor of the airplane proved to the world that we can fly, so can we try and find a away to making all our information hard fact as well.

My only fears to all of this is that we will end up like all others in our past with no respect and a strong distortion of the Meier mission. I think the PLEJARANS have made themselves very clear in terms of the spiritual development of our spirit forms, what they seem to want us to do is develop ourselves to the point where we can see nature and the universe according to creational laws which will help us then communicate better when the time comes in the future when we will meet other highly developed humans out in other parts of our universe or universes. It will also affect the way we design tools for survival as suppose to the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION chaos which has been brought by our wrong spiritual thinking. These are the things which seem to me the PLEJARANS are suggesting or wanting from us, or we will never see the likes of them ever if we dont change. :(

BE WELL Michael :)

JAY
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Michael
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jay,

Our current approach includes presenting specific, highly accurate, prophetic/predictive information of a scientific nature, as well as for worldly events, that Meier has published from 1 - 20+ years in advance of terrestrial discovery or occurrence.

We have also challenged a professional skeptics organization to duplicate one of Meier's film segments and one of his photos. A year later they still haven't produced anything.

We're doing lots of media appearances now with the publiscation of Guido's book, "And Yet They Fly!"

You can see our schedule at: http://www.andyettheyfly.com/

All the best,

Michael
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James the truthseeker
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings,

As Michael H. mentions the "Henoch Prophesies" which Marc is helping to get translated into English, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Is there anywhere a person can find this in German and if any of you have read this already, can you please give us an outline of what the prophesies are, past and present?

Seeking more truth,

James TT.
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JAY
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Micheal,

This is great news, this will definitely put a damper on all the people in society, somewhat like having a pattern where knowone can find a negative avenue to Meier's Contacts or future predictions :)

Peace and Blessings
BE WELL Michael :)

JAY
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Edward
Posted on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael H. and All...:)

Michael H. ....Yes you have put in very well in good words..concerning your Knowledge of Bill'y material. I Fully agree with your statement.
I would not know...what I should add to it.


Marc,..and....Amen?...:)
I understand you....A Mouth Full....right...:)
I Understand your point of view also. You just keep on counting on your Gut-Feeling! Just as I do also. Your Inner-Self...Will Know...
if Truth is spoken are not. Truth is 'Too Powerful' to throw it from your self. It Will Cling On You.....so to speak.
And I Surly will purchase "Henoch Prophesies" as soon as it is out.
Well done Marc...:)

I also find Michael's and Jay's words also acceptible. Well put again!

Take Care...Be Healthy...You ALL...:)

Edward...:)
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Linda Williams
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

Congratulations on your new website and continued endeavors. I see from the schedule that you had a radio appearance today and wonder how that went.

As you are stressing the predictive/prophetic aspects of the case, I can't help but wonder how you handle the essential detail of Billy's prophetic lineage.

Do you consider the existing parchment and its current translation to be proof of Billy's incarnations as a prophet? I know that in one article of yours, you expressed concern that this lineage claim was enough for many to throw the whole case out. I assume you have fielded similar questions and continue to do so.

How do you feel about this claim now in light of your desire to separate fact from speculation?

I will look forward to hearing from you!
Linda
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Michael
Posted on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Linda,

Glad to hear from you again and thanks for your interest. This morning's show went very well, I haven't really encountered any derision or hostility yet in any of the radio interviews so far.

As far as your question goes, I haven't been asked about Billy's claims of lineage yet and when people ask why Billy was chosen I usually tell them that the Plejarans are able to track and evaluate a person's spirit form and Billy's has been the most suited for the job.

I stick with my specualtion vs. facts principle and don't rely on things like the parchment to make the case. While there is plenty of interesting information and claims that are still speculative, there is an abundance of material that is factual and has been provided by/through Billy years in advance of terrestrial sources or occurrence.

By this criteria we could say Billy is a "prophet", whether the Plejarans or parchments say he is or not.

When asked this morning on the radio show if I "believe" in UFOs or this case I answered something to the effect that, based on all the evidence, the only conclusion I could come to is that Billy and his info are genuine. This leaves room for somebody to come to another conclusion, but they will have to mae a credible case for it.

Oh yeah, I'm on Strange Universe again on Sunday night.

Salome,

Michael
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Linda Williams
Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

Thanks for your reply.

I'm continually amazed that people still ask questions like "Do you really believe in all this stuff (UFOs or ETs)?"

I'm always inclined to answer the question with a question, like "Do you really believe that we're the only living beings in this vast universe of universes?" And then remark that it wasn't too long ago that we "believed" that the planet Earth was the center of the universe, that the moon and sun and the stars all revolved around us! In other words, it is typically and historically consistent with earth human egocentricity to think that "We're it!"

And so I agree, belief systems are based on empirical systems. Scientific "evidence" does change the way we "believe."

I wish you could share with us from time to time what you consider to be some of the more challenging questions you receive from your audiences.

In the meantime, best of luck,
Linda
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E. Visser
Posted on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael.
I would like to thank you for your intelligently written entry of the 12th of August.Somehow I missed it but I also had a busy week.
I may sounded stubborn at times but the fact is I came here from a different road.
As a child I was quickly fascinated about UFO's.
Started reading books from the library,when I got older I started buying them myself.Like Linda I got bored with reports of objects flying fast, making impossible manouvers,showing up on radar and so on.I developed an interest in the people behind them.That interest is still with me.
The funny thing is I got aware of Mr Meier's case as one of the last in the row.Read about Adamski, Menger and so on.So basicly I'm fairly new to the Meier material but because I read the earlier documented contact cases I could see the parallels.I'll tell you in advance that Mr Meier's
case stands out in the sum of it's parts but some of those parts can be seen in previous cases.
That's what I was trying to convey.
Thanks,
TerraX.
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Chris Frank
Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Micheal Horn,

I just quickly want to thank you for appearing on the Art Bell show the other night. I found it to be a very interesting show and you made a lot of good points. Keep up the great work. You did a wonderful job.

Chris
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Michael
Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Chris and all the people who caught the show and have written me. I appreciate the support. By the way, this might be a good place for this.

It occurs to me that if we want to create a different, better future than is foretold in soem of the prophecies we need to expand our own thinking, especially when faced with the pre-packaged "war is the only option" offering from the government.

So why don't we pose a different question and see what answer we, and the politicians and elected officials, come up with:

If you wish to contemplate something and share it with others, in order to initiate more resourceful thinking, you may ask: If you knew that attacking Iraq would somehow ultimately lead to the destruction of the USA, what would you do? What would you do instead of attacking?

Michael Horn
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Brock Bradford
Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always wonder if people are connected with a universal dream… Peace, Love and Freedom…

Such is so simple yet so difficult for us to achieve on this planet.

Am I off the mark with the universal dream? Do all humans have different dreams other than peace, love and freedom?
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Mark Campbell
Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael ;

Nice work on the Art Bell show ; thorough and well prepared . What I noticed most of all is that you addressed the perspective of people who are not familiar or oriented toward the Meier case , and gave a reasonable perspective in every case , to assist their comprehension .

Brock ;

The "American Dream " has given most people the blind idea that our need for material things and resources gives citizens the right to consume as much resources as much as they desire . Material values cause people to compete with each other , with only the need to aquire as the only goal .

I think that in order to address making peace with other countries , a nation such as ours must get our attitudes about consumption under control . Otherwise , the overwhelming need for resources makes our government overly aggressive . Common knowledge , of course .

Mark
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Steve D.
Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To Billy or anyone who can answer this question,

The other night on the Art Bell show, a Michael Horn, said that Planet X is not a problem for the Earth, but he did say that a red comet will hit the Earth in the vicinity of the Bearing Strait sometime in the future according to the information supplied by Billy Meier.

However, A Nancy Leider, I believe this is how her name is spelled, said that she has been in contact with the "Zetas" from Zeta Reticuli, and they have told her that Planet X will cross the Earth's path on May 15th of 2003, causing a pole shilft and massive death for humanity. She, also, said that 7 weeks before the passage of Planet X through Earth's orbit, it will be seen in the night sky as a red fiery cross!! Her website is (www.zetatalk.com) for those who would want to verify my thoughts expressed here.

Hopefully, Mr Meier will repond in a way to alleviate this confusion!

Steve D.

Can anyone find out who is telling the truth here because our existence may depend on it?
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Lonnie Morton
Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

I listened with a careful ear to your presentation, and from my perspective you stated facts and answered questions in such a way that was not only pleasant, but stimulated individual thinking in a positive way. I thought George Noory also was competent and unbiased as a host which may serve you well for future appearances.

Lonnie
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Brock Bradford
Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark,

Thanks for reminding me of the American dream... I love my big truck…. But what I was asking is there deep perhaps hidden within all beings a common dream...?

Just guessing true humans might have within them the universal dream, Peace, Love and Freedom... Life would not make sense as war, hate and bondage.

It appears that a spiritually advanced society such as the Plejarans have recognized such…and live life with peace, love and freedom. 50,000 plus years…. Wish we could do that and not suffer for the next hundreds of years.
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James the truthseeker
Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings everyone,

Sense hearing Michael Horn on the Art Bell show, George Noory suggested that Billy come back on the show again with Billy Meier himself. Although Billy may or may not want to go onto the Art Bell program. May I suggest that Billy arrange with the Plejarans and Michael that they all introduce and actually do the Saalome peace meditation on the program. Imagine the impact this would have on the world in just one evening. If George announces to his listining audience to prepare for the use of copper pyramids, then all the better.

Also we could all focus in meditation on:
-the idea of everyone in the world becoming enlightend with spiritual understandings, including our politicians, religious leaders and corparate leaders.
-the elimination of the world money system to form Autonomism.
-Cosmic amnesty to all beings in the cosmos as well as here on earth.
-the discovery of the emotional aggression gene.
-Overpopulation awareness.

Why have a third world war if we don't need it?

Peace,
James TT.
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James the truthseeker
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings Steve D,

Concerning your question about Nancy Leider from "Zeta talk". She does not have much good to say about Billy as you can read here:
http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a31.htm

My advice! With the exception of Edgar Cayce, if information is channeled then don't believe it!

Peace,
James the truthseeker.
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Michael
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi James and all,

I just sent this to Nancy Leider via email at her site:

I read your comments at: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a31.htm regarding the Meier Contacts.

After 23 years of research, I have made the case for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, based on scientific evidence (which you, of course, couldn't hope to duplicate) as well as HIGHLY specific, prophetically accurate scientific and world event-related information published from 1 to more than 25 years BEFORE terrstrial discovery or occurrence. I continue to do this in the media, through lectures and by showing that even the professional skeptics are unable to duplicate Meier's irreproducible evidence.

Naturally, silly channelled nonsense such as you rely on to "prove" your assertions against Meier are typical of the ego-driven charlatans who can NEVER back up their slander and defamation. Of course, since you will feel you are definitely not in this group, you are invited to substantiate your claims. To make it easier for you I invite you to visit www.andyettheyfly.com and download the sounds of the UFO that Meier recorded in 1980. Since you are so sure that Meier manufactured any evidence that he presents, you can duplicate the sounds (and the inaudible frequencies contained therein) and we'll put them up on a spectrum analyzer and oscilloscope to see how closely they compare to Meier's. If it's not asking too much, duplicate ONE of his photos and ONE of his film segments, something CFI West was inable to do. But hey, with the help of your ET friends, it shouldn't be a problem for you.

Your assertions regarding Meier's seeking fame are an obvious reflection of your own motivations, as is usually the case with people who have delusions about these types of things.

I expect you to retract all your innaccurate and unprovable statements and post such retraction on your highly self-promotional site. Of course, I won't hold my breath because that kind of integrity is usually not evident or forthcoming from people who make such erroneous statements in the first place. Certainly not from "experts" who know that only humans on Earth use names and other such brilliant blathering.

I will help you out a little bit by letting all interested parties that I have contact with know that you are about to promptly prove your claims or post your retraction.

Sincerely,

Michael Horn
www.andyettheyfly.com
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Michael
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is her quick response:

This web site is ZetaTalk, not MichaelTalk, so I'm not interested in your conclusions. He started out on target, then started making it up. ZetaTalk remains that way.

And mine to it:

My what a fast retreat! As I suspected, you can't back it up and yet continue to make more unsubstantiated statements. You aren't interested in conclusions based on science because you are strictly into fantasy. But some of us are just a wee bit beyond the delusional New Age junk that sites like yours perpetuate for the gullible and weak-minded.


Feel free to express your appreciation to Nancy and her bug-eyed friends for clarifying the truth about the Meier case.
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JAY
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

Now we are talking, let these so called Dellusionist know the facts which have been proven now in many of our Science magazines to be facts and NOT outright forgeries of Mr.Meier in his 1980s experiences and I am hoping that your stronger efforts in your life on this will bring Meiers case open for respect and open change to our world situation in the near distant future.

BE WELL :)
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Michael
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Jay,

Thanks. One way to do that is for people other than me to also send emails to these types of sites and put them on notice to put up or shut up.
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JAY
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael,

True to the Point Michael, I will start my own war agains these so called Hoaxters myself, I will post my results here as well.
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James the truthseeker
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My suggestion,

Perhaps we should create a website specifically for the purpose of exposing these hoaxers and frauds. Be careful however, as I found one proclaimed channeler who did actually have UFOs appear to her. Also some people will actually use correct info from other sources and may be misled from their own beliefs that they are actually channeling. If they actually believe this channeling from the start, then they will see Billy as a fraud. If UFOs actually make an appearence during such channeling, this will only reinforce what they already believe, and more. I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN! It seems that a lot of this Channeling for dollars started with Ramtha. In some ways perhaps Edgar Cayce doing a bit of his own channeling was not such a good idea.

Here is a list of some people I found to be of the biggest frauds or tricksters known, that is if they haven't fooled themselves first!:

Jane Roberts
Barbra Marciniak
Sheldan Nidle
Sharula Dux
Elizabeth Clair Prophet
Fred Bell
David Icke -uses other peoples info.
Drunvalo Malchizedek -also uses other peoples info.
Ruth Norman

Peace,
James the truthseeker
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all,

I did a quick check around the zeta-talk site & looked up Cattle Mulitations:

"...Sightings of UFOs and strange, unmarked, black helicopters coincide with most cattle mutilation cases..."

This statement (& others) simply are not true, as in all the cases Mr. Belzil has investigated, there has not been a single sighting of any helicopters, never mind "black" ones. Any such vehicle would be heard for many miles... day or night.

In only a very few cases, there have been reports of strange lights, but no actual UFO sightings that I've heard of.

I'm sure we could go over this site & point out many such errors, but for what purpose???
Anybody who wishes to believe this type of info, simply hasn't bothered checking any of it out.
To such people, truth would mean nothing, as it would sound (to them) like "just another source of info".

And...
"The more truth injected into a bad concept, the more dangerous that concept is".

Is it perhaps "counter-productive" to try to educate these people???

Just thoughts...
JP
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James the truthseeker
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 04:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gretings JP,

Actually the first reports of UFOs along with strange, unmarked, black helicopters coinciding with cattle mutilation cases was first written in something called the "Dulce Papers". Later it was written and reported by "Linda Moulton Howe" at:
http://www.earthfiles.com
I'm sure Mr. Belzil would know exactly who I'm talking about here and perhaps even know Linda Personally. It wasn't long before NIDS came on to the seen:
http://www.nidsci.org

Peace,
James The truthseeker
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi James,

Thanks for the info.

I have no reason to doubt that black helicopters etc. visit the mutilation sites as described. I've read accounts of this also from other websites & Mr. Belzil mentioned other investigators have found this happens with other "out of country" mutilations.

In Alberta Canada though, this does not seem to occur. At least with the investigations I've heard of.
One would have to understand the area many of these mutilations occur in... isolated country with no traffic or city background noise. Sometimes a vehicle can be heard for long distances & any strange vehicles/craft would be noticed by the neighbours etc. It many cases, it would be impossible for a helicopter to be in the area & not be noticed.

That UFO's are at these sites also???

Strange lights have been seen occasionally in the Alberta area... but nobody here has seen any UFO's (or other craft) dumping mutilated cattle onto fields etc.

As far as possibilities go, perhaps black helicopters and UFO's visit these sites after the fact as simple observers ?? I'm not saying this is the case, but until we see some sort of decent physical evidence, who knows...?

There is still the possibility that (some of?) these mutilations are done by "Genetic Mutations" of some sort, or some other phenomena we have not considered.

Just my opinion...
JP
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E. Visser
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi JPL.

Black helicopters have been reported in conjunction with cattle mutalations.However these reports are not the majority.
As for the helicopters not making any noise, yes that's possible.The technology exists.It has to do with creating 'anti-sound'.If an engine creates a sound on certain frequencies the way to drasticly reduce the noise would be to produce the oppesite frequencies and thereby neutralising the output.I saw this proces on Discovery Channel and I'll do a websearch to see if I can point out a site explaining it.
Regards,
TerraX
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E. Visser
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi all.

After a quick search I located two sites dealing with anti-sound.
http://www.nature.com/nsu/020121/020121-12.html
and
http://www.lauralee.com/news/zapnoise.htm

As you can see the technology is being developed for commercial purposes but who knows how far it is put into practise by certain organisations.
Regards,
TerraX
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James the truthseeker
Posted on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings TerraX,

Thanks for the info. Perhaps thats the same as I've seen with the chem trail jets when they fly over with no sound. I've heard of plains like this being used by the military.

Peace,
James the truthseeker
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Michael
Posted on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi All,

Thought you might be interested in the latest confirmation I found for the authenticity of the Meier UFO Contacts:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/08nov_gossamer.htm?list149544 which states:

"In 1974, NASA's Pioneer 11 spacecraft plunged through the rings of Jupiter.
And no one noticed.

Jupiter's dark rings--as wide as Saturn's yet nearly invisible--hadn't been discovered yet. Indeed, it wasn't until five years later that cameras onboard Voyager 1 caught sight of them for the first time. On Mar. 5, 1979, the spacecraft swung behind Jupiter, and from inside the planet's shadow the faintly sunlit rings were visible--but just barely."

A slight correction to the article. Somebody noticed...and they had been discovered before. Meier's (published) 115th Contact, October 19,1978, contained information on a number of things that were (and some still are) unknown about Jupiter, including the existence of the rings which, he was told, were comprised of mostly particles and sulphur ions flung off by volcanoes on Io.
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Matthew Anthony Hurley
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone know when the photobook is coming out?

Also when Decalog and vol 1 of the contact notes are due out ?

Cheers
Matt
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Matthew Anthony Hurley
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here are the relevant links :

http://www.figubooks.com/futurereleases.htm

http://www.steelmarkonline.com/photobook1.htm
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Michael
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I will post this in this area and if it's more appropriate somewhere else then it can be moved. Also, since compiling this, I have found additional corroborative information in the Contact Notes for discoveries or events that occurred subsequent to Meier's writing about them. But for now, feel free to use, question or research this in sharing info about the Meier material with others:

The Billy Meier UFO Contacts:
Proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt

Michael Horn

What do you think it would mean to you and to all of humanity to not only confirm the extraterrestrial origin of some UFOs but to also have face-to-face contact with their extraterrestrial, or ET, occupants? Wouldn't you agree that it would be one of the most important events in all of human history, one that would forever change our understanding of who we are and our place in the universe? And, do you think it's possible that such contact could have already occurred, even though most people haven't heard anything about it?

While the world is swept up in the frenzy of post-millenium and post-9/11 events, a story has been quietly unfolding in a small Swiss village and slowly gaining worldwide attention. Since he first came forward with his claims of contact with extraterrestrials in 1975, Billy Meier has been at the center of an ever-increasing controversy, one so dramatic that it has made him the target of 19 documented assassination attempts, hardly the type of negative attention a simple hoaxer would warrant.

Now a man sixty-five years of age, Meier claims that his voluntary, face-to-face contacts with the ETs began when he was five years old...and continue to this day. During these contacts, Meier claims, he's had lengthy conversations with the ETs on a very wide variety of matters, many well outside of his own eductaional background or personal experience. While claims of a UFO contact case spanning sixy years are unique in themselves, Meier sets himself apart from all other persons alleging contact by providing irreproducible physical evidence:

Over 1200 clear daytime photos of up to four of the UFOs at one time.

Eight 8mm film segments of up to three of the UFOs at one time.

Sound recordings of the UFO made outdoors on a cassette machine, in front of 15 witnesses.

Metal samples presented to him by the ETs which were examined by a patent-holding scientist at IBM.

All of the above physical evidence underwent independent scientific testing and analysis, was found to be genuine, and remains irreproducible to this day. And all of the evidence was produced and presented between 1975 and 1980 when the technology to hoax it was unavailable, including computer, special effects, Photo Shop, digital effects, etc.

While this alone is simply staggering to anyone understanding the implications, there have always been those who simply claim that, somehow, the one-armed Mr. Meier hoaxed every bit of the evidence...despite absolutely no proof that he did or even could have. And Meier is not the only one to have seen or photographed the UFOs. there have been more than 70 witnesses and four other people who photographed the spacecraft. As recently as May 2000, 17 people observed two of the silvery discs hovering above the property in Switzerland where Meier, his family and some friends live. One of the witnesses, Freddy Kropf, took numerous clear photos of the event.

With all this in mind, it was decided that an even higher standard of proof would need to be set, one that would be impossible for anyone to hoax, no matter how many arms, how much money or how many accomplices he would have. Simply put, the higher standard of proof would be advance knowledge of things and events that had not yet occurred, been discovered or proven to be true. In other words, prophetically accurate, highly specific scientific and world event-related information.

And, rather than suggest that Mr. Meier come up with some new prophecies, and thereby give him the opportunity to either attempt to second guess such matters, or cleverly use the Internet to search out little known information that he could creatively string together under the guise of prescience, we searched his already published material, the thousands of pages of alleged conversations with the ETs dating back to 1975, to see what we could cull from it that might either provide evidence of foreknowledge or cast sufficient doubt on his claims.

Before presenting the current results of that search, it should be mentioned that in February of 2001, I contacted the professional skeptics group, CFI West in Los Angeles (affiliated with the magician and debunker the "Amazing" Randi) and challenged them to duplicate one of Meier's photos and one of his film segments. Since I had been assured by a CFI West investigator that these were easily duplicated hoaxes I was interested in seeing just how quickly they could duplicate them. It is now more than a year and one-half later and they have been unable to duplicate even one of them, despite my invitation to use any technology currently available to them (and which clearly wasn't available to Meier.) I did suggest, that to be sporting about it, that the man use only one arm.

Here is a brief sampling of what we found in a very abbreviated form. Meier's contact number, date and subject are shown followed by the earliest date of corroboration:

7th Contact, February 25, 1975, 34th and 35th Contacts, September 14th and 16th, 1975: Connection of A-bomb testing, explosions to ozone damage, contribution of bromine gases to ozone damage, penetration of UV through holes would lead to disrutpions in food chain, genetic mutations, other long term negative effects for human kind and the planet.

Corroborated: November 29, 1988, published report from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories announced this new discovery:
ATOM BOMB TESTING TIED TO OZONE DEPLETION

Corroborated: Los Angeles Times on February 24, 1992 revealed:
OZONE HOLE DAMAGES FOOD CHAIN

Corroborated: National Public Radio, in 1991, confirmed connection between bromine gases and damage to the ozone layer.

45th Contact, February 25, 1976 Semjase (the extraterrestrial woman contactor) warned him that our extraction of petroleum and natural gas from the Earth, damming of waters. construction of huge cities were major contributing factors to the increase of earthquakes and volcanic activity.

Corroborated: The Good Life-Independent Journal newspapers, June 27, 1990:
EARTHQUAKES, OIL INTER-ACT

31st Contact, July 17, 1975: Specific information about Venus, unknown at the time, included: composition of atmospheric gases, surface temperatures, depth of clouds, wind speeds, atmospheric pressure, coloration, variation in terrain, etc.

Corroborated: By both US (in August 1976)and USSR (in October 1975) probes.

Corroborated: February 1981, USGS was producing a topographical map of Venus which, it was discovered, further confirmed the details Meier had published...five years earlier.

31st Contact, July 17, 1975: Meier was informed that, contrary to his belief,Mt. Chimborazo (and not Mt. Everest) was highest mountain on Earth

Corroborated: Confirmed in a report in the June 1996 issue of Earth magazine, 21 years later.

115th Contact, October 19, 1978: Contained information on Jupiter's 17 moons, existence of rings around the planet which were comprised of mostly particles and sulphur ions flung off by volcanoes on Io, the most volcanically active body in solar system and which, unlike Jupiter's other moons has an extremely level surface and is completely devoid of water (exactly unlike the ice-encrusted Europa), also he learned that Jupiter's red spot is a rotating, huge funnel-shaped hole in the surface of Jupiter which is the center of a gigantic storm, thousands of years old which rotates at great speed in a counter-clockwise direction.

Corroborated: March 5, 1979, NASA discovers rings of Jupiter, Meier was 5 months in advance with his information. (Also, only 15 moons were known at the time, 16th discovered shortly after. Moons are different from other numerous asteroids and smaller bodies in orbit around Jupter.)

Corroborated: September 15, 1998, Cornell University scientists confirm particulate composition of rings from Jupiter’s moons. Meier was 20 years in advance on this.

Additional prophetic information from this contact was put in to the possession of the lead investigator in the case, Col. Wendelle Stevens, USAF (Ret.), Maj. Rudolph Pestalozzi, USAF (Ret.), and Mr. O. Richard Norton, former director of the Flandreau Planetarium in Tucson, Arizona. They witnessed and secured the information until after the following was Corroborated:
· Jonestown massacre
· Overthrow of the Shah of Iran
· Soviet invasion of Afghanistan
· Chinese invasion of North Viet Nam
· Death of Tito of Yugoslavia
· Mount St. Helen's eruption
· Abdication of the Queen of Holland
· Death of Indira Ghandi
· Iran Hostage Crisis
· Terrorist Attack on Iranian Embassy in London

1978: In his book, Existing Life in the Universe, Meier predicted that a telescope would be launched at end of 1980s which would make unfathomable discoveries in space.

Corroborated: Hubble telescope was subsequently launched in April 1990, 12 years later.

1978: ETs told Meier that a comet would be discovered in late 1980s to early 1990s that would ultimately be named Toutatis, and may threaten Earth in September of 2004.

Corroborated: 1989, French astronomers indeed discovered a comet, named it…Toutatis. Predicted to come closest to Earth around September 29, 2004.

Still specualtive: Meier stated that there are two small planetary bodies outside the orbit of Pluto which he calls Trans-Pluto and Uni which our scientists will discoverin the not distant future.

235th Contact February 3, 1990: Warned of earthquake in California for February 28, 1992.

Corroborated: Date of the Upland earthquake.

241st Contact, February 3, 1992: Contained specific Corroborated warnings about:

Landslide in Brazil which occurred in March of 1992.

Nuclear accident in Russia during the 3rd week of March, 1992 which occurred on March 27, 1992.

Earthquake in the L.A. area foreseen as occurring on April 23rd or 24th, 1992, hit on April 22, 1992 (Landers.)

Eruption of Mt. Etna predicted for April 1992 was reported April 15, 1992.

Eruption of Cerro Negro in Nicaragua in April 1992 occurred April 9 - 12.

Earthquakes foretold for Gremany-Holland-Belgium area for April 1992 occurred April 13, 1992 known as Roermond earthquakes.

Earthquakes for China and Burma predicted for April 1992 occurred at Myanmaw-China border region April 23, 1992.

249th Contact, June 13th, 1994: (In response to a question Meier asked regarding Mad Cow Disease), was told that, "BSE pathogens cannot be destroyed by simply cooking the meat and other items, or by producing meatmeal", he said that the temperatures necessary for destroying the disease-causing prions would need to be, "as high as 700°C (1228°F), and possibly even up to 1000°C (1768°F), for previously mutated pathogens that have existed for some time now." Our scientists have been raising their own estimates as to the temperatures necessary to destroy the disease-causing prions and are now more closely approaching the figure ET contactor stated.

251st Contact, February 3, 1995: Contains some of the most startling information regarding technological developments such as: hybrid warriors created by mixing humans and pigs(Corroborated: Human-pig DNA experiments recently begun), people who have bio-chips attached directly to their nerve endings (Corroborated: People already beginning to be "chipped"), the creation of half-human half-machine beings, clones and androids, the jumping of Mad Cow Disease to other species (Corroborated: Mad Deer, Mad Elk, etc.), discoveries that will conclusively confirm evidence of previous human life on Mars and many other things which are still, at this time, speculative. At the same time, Meier’s information on the discovery and rectification of what is called the “aging gene” (Corroborated: researchers now recognizing the genetic role in aging), and Plejaran warnings about a deep impact scenario and the need for a defense system against dangerous incoming objects, are already being reflected in our scientific media.

While daily revelations in the news continue to confirm many of Meier's prophetic information, some information from this 251st Contact (which is already in the book "And Yet They Fly!" published on September 16, 2001) appears to deal with events very close upon us:
“On a broader scale, expect a strike involving the USA and its president that will stun the entire world.” (When I asked FIGU, earlier this year, if this was related to the WTC attacks I was told no, it referred to attacks that would be forthcoming from the USA against Iraq and other countries.) “Uprisings, revolutions, wars, and other diverse forms of unrest will escalate tremendously with Islamic fundamentalism playing a very sad part in the scenario." This statement, which followed the preceeding one, seems to support the current timeline.

As provacative as this is information, none is more troubling than the prophetic information from the 215th Contact, February 28, 1987. Formerly available only in German, this contact was recently translated into English and it contains, among many items, advance warning of detruction of the WTC by terrorists, ominously stating that it is only the beginning of such troubles for America. While this contact details events on a worldwide level that appear to transpire over a number of years, there is specific mention of the destructive reprecussions of American foreign and military policies that will not only stun the entire world (as is alluded to in the later 251st Contact) but come back upon the USA in unforeseen ways.

What Does It Mean to Us?

The material in this case plainly states what should be obvious: The universe, and everything in it, are governed by unalterable laws, basic among them is the law of cause and effect. Once the pendulum is sent out on its way, it will eventually return with the predictable result. The law always fulfills itself, in its own timing and its own way.

Foundational to the purported purpose of Meier's extraterrestrial friends, and his publication of their (and his own) prophetic and predictive information is the premise that certain things can be changed when human consciousness recognizes its errors and makes an effort in the correct, positive direction to alter those outcomes which can still be changed.

Prophecies refer to those events which are the likely outcome of causes put in motion which are still alterable, to some degree. Predictions refer to those events which, for a number of reasons, will occur with certainty. Some predictions are simply prophecies that went past the point of no return.

It should be noted that special emphasis was placed, in the 215th Contact, on America and these very times we are in. More recent comments by Meier have also carried a heavy warning regarding the current American administration and leadership and the damger of it leading the world, irrevocably, into the next World War.

Certainly it doesn't take an extraterrestrial to hold this or any other opinion on current world events. So it is up to each interested person to do the necessary research to determine the accuracy and authenticity of the Meier UFO Contacts for themselves. Should the most important event in human history actually have occurred perhaps we may then understand that this is less about UFOs and extraterrestrials than it is about us and our survival.
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Savio
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael

Thanks for the very nice presentation :)

It would be nice to put in a new topic like "Meier's proofs ... so far" in the FIGU related area so that everyone who visits the discussion board can see it.

By the way, where can we find the 215th contact English translation?

Regards

Savio
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Claes Elmberg
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:19 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thankyou Michael,

I have been looking for a FIGU document to send out to all the E-mail addresses I have, and now you have provided an excellent overview of the credibility and importance of this information.

I thank you from the bottom of my heart,

//Claes
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Linda
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael,

Having such a concise summation as this is very valuable for us all. I've copied it and added it to my various FIGU materials for future reference.

I agree with Savio that it would be an asset to the main website or to the discussion forum to have this material readily available. While I realize FIGU encourages everyone to do their own research and contribute financially to the materials already available, I still think something of this caliber would serve as an initial "eye-opener" for many and encourage further inquiry.

Thanks for your extraordinary dedication and clarity,
Linda
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Scott Whitney
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

Good article!

Scott
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Matthew Anthony Hurley
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"discoveries that will conclusively confirm evidence of previous human life on Mars and many other things which are still, at this time, speculative."

Good piece Michael.
The above quote makes me wander whether Billy has ever passed comment on the Cydonia/face on Mars images ?
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Jean Pierre Lagasse
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Matthew,

From what I recall of the "Meier contact notes" etc...

There was a civilization on Mars and there are still "artifacts" which will at some point be "re-activated" by us earthers when we get there.

The way I see this is that this is not so much a "prophecy" or whatever... but simple Plejaran knowledge from their own "records" and/from their present knowledge of what is there currently.

It must be wonderful to have beamships, eh?

That eventually earth people will travel to mars and discover what is there.
Pretty "cut & dried"... really, especially from the "Plejaran" point of view.

On a slightly seperate topic, however, can we trust NASA to really report what they have encountered???
They still are trying to maintain that the first moon landing was totally factual!!!
There is a lot of (non-Meier) info on this... if anybody is interested.

As far as "we" are concerned... all we can do is watch these events as they unfold!!! or...
Grab a bag of popcorn & enjoy the show !!

This is the best of what I know for now... (along with an additional comment or two) :)

JP
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Edward
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 03:48 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael...

Yes, I would Surely Agree with what most of the Boardees have said concerning your Great Summary of Facts and Proof on The Billy Meier experience.

It is Clear for anyone to read...and to Open their Eyes! And even for them to do some Homework..on checking it all out...for themselves.

I Tap...my Hat for you...:)


Edward.
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Chris_Frank
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't know about Billie's stuff, but Sitchin mentions the Sphinx communicating with the face on Mars. It appears that the ancients already knew about that face and wrote about it in the Sumerian scrolls.
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Rita Keoughan
Posted on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Excellent article, Michael! Thanks for your Fleissigkeit. :)

Salome,
Rita
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Matthew Hurley
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Michael,
Following up on your excellent precis of Billy's prophecies, are there any specific prophecies that haven't yet occured?

Matt
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Michael
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matt,

The Enoch prophecies contain very specific information on the military actions of a number of countries including the USA, Russia, China, etc. Though the dates and sequence of events are deliberately not given, the overall picture is very grim aand depressing. It seems to be set in motion by the aggressive actions against a number of countries by the USA. Of course, these are prophecies and not predictions so, hopefully, through growing awareness, some of this can be prevented or diminished.
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Scott B.
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Michael,

Do you know the origins of these prophecies? Were they printed in the Wassermann, or perhaps a portion of the OM?

Thanks
Salome
Scott

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