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    Incredible Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hey when the world will begin to use the Mayan calendar of 13 months? The mayan calendar is a lunar calendar of 13 months wich is the most perfect calendar of all. This web address speak about this matter: http://www.13moon.com http://www.galactichardwarestore.com/ http://orbitalmonkeys.com/telektonon I recommend to you to study those websites to know about the subject. "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 108 Registered: 02-2006 |
'Free' energy technology goes on display 04/07/2007 Technology developed by an Irish firm that allegedly defies basic laws of physics to produce free power today goes on public display for the first time. Steorn is challenging worldwide cynicism over its claims to have stumbled upon a revolutionary discovery that creates clean, constant energy and could end the global fuel crisis. While 22 scientists continue their exhaustive tests on the Orbo technology the inventors are asking the public to come and see a demonstration for themselves at Kinetica Museum, Spitalfields Market, London. A live working demonstration will be streamed on the internet from 6pm tonight. It can be viewed on the web from four different camera angles, before opening to visitors on Thursday. Sean McCarthy, chief executive of Steorn, said: "What we are showing basically is a very simplified version of the technology. It's virtually all-clear plastic and magnets so we are demonstrating obviously that there is no battery hidden and so on. What the system will be doing is literally lifting a weight, demonstrating work being done for free." Mr McCarthy said the company decided against using the technology to illuminate a light-bulb because the use of wires would attract further suspicion from a scientific community that has denounced the invention as heretical. http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0704/breaking46.htm | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2007 |
I read the case of Travis Walton. I want to know if that case is truth. Have Billy Meyer know about this case? Is truth this case for him? "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 827 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi there Incredible.... The Travis Walton case is a HOAX! It is all a self made set-up, as I can recall. You may want to use the Search engine, above? For details. I think we did discuss the above mentioned, here... It is only a Truth...as a LIE, and not a Truth...in the sense of being a true abduction case. Edward. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 02-2006 |
Scott I brought this discussion over from the meditation section. Rarena "Dear Scott, Mark and Badr, Scott, you are absolutely right. Please excuse MY confusion with the time. My notes which are not with me at the moment... indicated the SSSC peace meditation on July 26 was at 8PM but it may have ended then. Time seemed to stand still in Switzerland... " http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3490.html?1185162907 Rarena, was this ANOTHER deliberate attempt of yours to try to give us rabbits here the run around from truth in the Meier teachings? What a bueaty this would have been if it worked, getting all hours of the peace meditation mixed up. I am more convinced Dyson was right about you, then I was when Dyson brought this matter about you up here. The disturbing thing is that it took Scott, Mark and Badr to correct you. Most people here are rabbits, I am one of them. Rarena, how many of your other friends are here with you, I wonder. I share Dyson's opinion on that. Dam shame Dyson left this forum, partly mainly because of people like you and ur mates. His knowledge of the Meier spiritual teachings and material was high and made many forum discussions here great, and everyone benefitted in one way or another. IMO this place has declined ever since he left. I sure hope he returns one day. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 02-2006 |
Correction, I mean it took (only) Scott to pick that up. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi all, i think to bring back Dyson's absence and the causes he left does not make things better. These behaviours are reminiscent of what figu tries to block, "cult to the leader".Yes, Dyson, or moderator Jacob when they wrote here, they made stunning contributions to the forum.They had great knowledge about GL, ufology, any topic.Our friend newinitiation disappeared after dysons departure....why? Should we all diminish our learning efforts after Billy passes away? NO! Billy himself says this constantly, the messenger is not important, the message is.You can say the contens of the discussion has declined, but what do you do in order to improve the situation....just sit down and complain? Others cannot do the job for you.Evolution and learning is an active process, where YOU take the lead.If no help is available, then you stand up and say "now it's my turn, i'm going to make my contribution, to the best of my knowledge". Please do not sit and WAIT.The difference between active and passive.Religion means to be passive, parasitic.In Billy's teachings, everybody is important, everybody is active, everybody can perform tasks to the best of their abilities.The Semjase SSSC is a clear example. Now try to emulate Dyson's or Jacob's comments.Who said you cannot stimulate other forum members acting and thinking? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 517 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Hector ; Thank you for your meaningful concern about the Mission . I made a comment or two about the peace meditation which was misaligned due to argumentativeness . I have to admit that I got a little contentious there . Totally wrong approach . It corrects nothing , communicates nothing , especially peace . So as a way of apology to everyone , I will summarize and close . If my experience with the meditation ( I hopped on airplanes several times) with core members amounts to nothing in someone's opinion , that's their business . At the time , we were corrected several times , and followed their advice . If someone wants to waste their time by performing the peace meditation while surfing , riding a motorcycle , or eating , that's their business . If they want to try to inform others that it's appropriate to perform the peace meditation at the wrong times , that's their business . It will be the business of the moderators and anyone else to correct them , and then the detractors can call them religious ,or whatever tactics they choose to undermine the efforts of FIGU . Typical . I have nothing else to say about it now . When I feel like speaking up about it again , I will . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Mark I know what you meant.Teach by example.The KG49 teached you by example, and you wanted to transmit that example again.But you used the wrong approach because your critics perceived you were exhibiting some kind of privilege or special treatment, they can think you belong to a certain elite group, causing envy.I'm sure that's not the case. I have never practiced peace meditation in no other conditions than silence, quietude, concentration, determination and commitment.(The ultimate goal is to join efforts with millions of meditators to send EFFECTIVE peace impulses). As pyramids enhance and multiply the far-reaching effects of the PM, i'm sure a badly performed PM session is worthless.(no quietness, noise, disturbances).It's like when you try to broadcast radio but without antenna.Your message does not reach destination.Your amplifying tool is disconnected. Question is...all those who practise non-orthodox PM, do they join efforts with millions of simultaneous meditators, or do they step aside...? I think they step aside. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 518 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Hector ; That's the way I see it , yes . Trying to do the peace meditation while walking ,hang gliding , being shot out of a cannon ,swordfighting etc. is the "diet pill" of the peace meditation , so to speak . And , most people know by now that those measures never work . But why would someone be shot out of a cannon in the first place . Requires further contemplation . I'll get back to you on that one . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hector you are one of the more respected members at this board and I enjoy reading and agree with most of the things you say in all your posts, but I think your reference about Dyson to a cult leader is extreme and not true. This is an english forum and all he was doing was helping the readers of this board out with his excellent knowledge of the Meier material and spiritual teachings, and MANY people here have commented in the past that his input was extremely helpful and also doing an excellent job too. While only a FEW others here like Markc were complaining about what he was doing. In my view these few people were thinking about what is best for people's feelings here instead of knowledge of the truth in the Meier teachings. They forget that everyone came here to learn about truth and not to socialize and pass the time away like at other forums. In my view Dysons help at this english forum was extremely needed and he should never have been felt by anyone respected member here like Markc and couple others that he was doing the wrong thing. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 02-2006 |
Markc, being one of the more respected members as well as past moderators here, I think your negative comments about Dyson contributions played a big factor in his decision to call it quits. Is this better now for everyone reading this board now that its without Dyson's extremely helpful contributions of the Meier material? - NO WAY! And its not just Newinitiation that left this forum in disgust after Dysons departure, there seem to be a few others too. However I do not agree that this was the correct thing to do. Vestri, While Markc has contributed to the forum almost since the beginning, he has not been a moderator. You are confusing him with Marc Juliano. Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 519 Registered: 06-2000 |
Some of the best lessons I have learned from the teachings is that everyone is important . Their feelings and dignity at the front of that . I do forget that at times , and when I approached a recent posting by another forum member, I didn't use it . Regardless of who starts it , I would rather not get argumentative with those whose necks I cannot reach . ( just my humour ,that's all ) My comments to another former member who has left our company were based on what I believe to be of utmost importance in any community setting . Friendliness , but especially not being unfriendly is not only a good sign of advancing personal evolution , but somewhat revolutionary in the arena of peace and war. Everything starts from the individual and expands from there . In essence , I think it's mine to say that I appreciate everyone's attendance here , including the those who I fell into contention with just yesterday . Although we may not agree , they are on their path of discovery and I never meant to condescend , only to share what could gave been interpreted as good advice form experience . But we get defensive , don't we ? I know that North Americans pride ourselves in never backing down from a fight , but this is strictly genetic and environmental conditioning , and is a part of the reason that we have these irrational wars today . But I learn from mistakes as well , and learn somewhat better from making them , I must admit . So far . I really admire the calm way that our moderators handle things , dispassionately and cool . That really is the the only way . I've noticed that many people from other nations carry themselves this way all the time , because it is their culture .I've lived overseas and have been influenced by various cultures . Then again , there's my environment , the city , which is sometimes friendly and othertimes not . At least everyone here at forum is interested , and through these experiences we can at least catch ourselves when we slip . So , in essence , my main point is that mutual respect is more important than defending one's viewpoint , actually ,because things just don't need to get ugly . I appreciate the comments , but I also have to say that no one left because of me .But if one makes sense , it is a force in itself .Also , people get upset when roasted pigeons stop flying into their mouths . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Vestri "cult of the leader" is just a metaphor, a parable.I should have said "cult of the charismatic person, or excessive admiration"I just mean thanks to Dyson Devine and his excellent work & translations many of us have heard about Billy Meier, and yes we miss him, i too, but Dysons departure does not mean you cannot contact him at gaiaguys@gaiaguys.net.It doesnt mean you can get good responses from other forum members. You still can discuss privately with him.He is a very busy man but he will respond to each and every question you ask him via e-mail as happended with me with no exception.You and i have to respect his decision of temporary absence, and i'm sure he'll be back someday. Some people go and some people come...werden und vergehen (come into being and going) that is an immutable law of Creation and it applies to this forum too, as long as we stay in the coarse matter world. Regards | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Hector, I have been communicating with Dyson via email for over a year now, and yes your right about Dyson always finding the time in his busy schedule to reply to most people's questions. But the point of this is not about being able to ask him questions, but about that I and many others here found his posts/contributions here extremely helpful. I guess I'm still just a bit dirty with the way a couple of particular people here had treated/attackHi Hector, I have been communicating with Dyson via email for over a year now, and yes your right about Dyson always finding the time in his busy schedule to reply to most people's questions. But the point of this is not about being able to ask him questions, but about that I and many others here found his posts/contributions here extremely helpful. I guess I'm still just a bit dirty with the way a couple of particular people here had treated/attacked Dyson for what he was doing here. IMO he should never have been attacked by some particular people here and made feel like he was doing something wrong when he wasn't, because he was only doing the exact same thing as what Jacob had been doing here, helping people out with info and clarifications on the Meier material. Mark I understand what your saying there about mutual respect and that, but IMO I think Dyson should never have been attacked by you and few others, for the way he treated and spoke to Rarena, because wether Rarena is a plant or not, he deserved having Dyson speak to him like that for him refusing to stop all that continous preaching of false Meier info, especially with regards to the manner in which he was doing it, acting like he knows its correct and everyone can feel comfortable taking it as truth. He deserved getting spoken to like that by Dyson, either way wether his plant or not. And the following big heated forum arguement on this incident caused Dyson to decide to call its quits. I don't blame him for leaving, if he hasn't got people's support here for what he is doing. And lastly IMO I think your stance/arguement of "mutual respect' on this matter is wrong because Rarena never had and was reluctant to show any in the first place, and secondly because I thinks Dyson's right about him being a type plant. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2005 |
Comment to Vestri: You criticize me for being a “plant” from some horrible organization like the CLIA or evil society or worse… yet you do not even know me. Do you know me? Have we ever met? Please refrain from announcing to the group that you know me until you do. In the past there were things written by me that may not have jived with the Meier material but many things written by me were from a point of life experience and were facts, that… given my frame of reference, were at the time true to me… Am always open and thankful to corrections. Read much of the Meier material in English and some in the German forum but was unsure about what to read until purchasing material from FIGU myself physically. Read the first two books by Wendelle Stevens due to lack of reading material on my part. My take was: he did his best to provide us with an accurate account of what he found. It is still one of the best and most voluminous accounts in English although there may be some errors. So what. That’s how we learn. My confidence comes from an attitude of not being afraid to make mistakes. Also enjoy learning about this material as it answers many questions. Enjoy sharing my knowledge as well, with anyone as it has always been my pleasure to learn from them regarding the subject of how to attain World Peace. People that judge me falsely or attack my character or blatantly call me names out of ignorance as to my personality are, by nature: materialistic, pseudo intellectuals, not up to speed spiritually and have the need to judge and to be right. Salome: be greeted in Peace and Wisdom | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 02-2006 |
I never said you were a plant, I said I think you are a plant, and I apologize for my harsh words if your not. But I believe it was more then just being a confidence thing because some of the things you were doing just didn't make sense. btw, for what its worth, I edited my previous post because I didn't intend it to read that harsh about you, but for some reason it accidently came out like that unedited and with those double typing errors. | ||
Flap_dragon Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hey Randy, I don't care what these people say about you. You are an alright guy in my book. Keep up the good work! Cheers! Anthony J. Alagna | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 523 Registered: 06-2000 |
I have just figured out the correct posture for this subject ; read here if interested . I will not engage in conversation about this subject any longer . I don't know what kind of sickness causes someone (be it an individual or group of individuals ) who gripe(s) and complain(s) about someone leaving their company and denying them their feeding . If they can't get over it ,they will waste their time with their vague surface exposure to true knowledge , which can only really be unfolded by their own searching , finding and thinking . If someone thinks or expresses that I am at fault for giving my opinion and I have caused another adult to quit anything , then "To the north of you", Is all I can say . I'm pretty much not in favor of communicating with anyone anymore that I can't face in person . By the way ,anyone who retains the opinion that this person who has quit has been wronged , has become dependent on another former posting member , and otherwise has no respect for that person's right to quit , stay or return .Did they not learn anything ? ~ Good luck with senselessness and constant bickering and hateful lack of will . Mark Campbell | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello, the Plejarens tell us that Billy Meier is the only real UFO contact case and I accept this. But what I don't understand is what to make of all the non-Meier "UFO CONTACT FROM PLANET..." books that Wendelle Stevens wrote and is selling at his website. Are all these other non-Meier UFO contacts true, or is Mr Stevens just trying to make money? http://www.ufophotoarchives.com/ebooks.htm | ||
Flap_dragon Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Mark, You said: “…anyone who retains the opinion that this person who has quit has been wronged , has become dependent on another former posting member , and otherwise has no respect for that person's right to quit , stay or return .” Dude, this is brilliant, it belongs on the aphorism page! You are noticing religion. That is strong! I know we have had our differences on this discussion forum. You know I’m not new to this; I’m an “old-timer” of this forum site. I fully disclose to all forum participants that I have been banned from this discussion website twice. I have abused the username option and have posted anonymously under numerous different usernames. I have sent nasty e-mails to moderators and core members. Technically, I'm not allowed to e-mail a moderator anymore. I still think this is funny! But I am trying to be respectful and the rest of Creative. I try to stick on topic. However, in the mods eyes, and maybe even YOU, I am no ‘friend’ to figu. I’ll admit that I think the moderators are bogus and the core group is a joke. Sometimes I even wonder about Billy and the Pleebians. Come on, only UFO freaks hafta ask if green aliens are real! Any “Star Trek" fan knows the answer; and have contemplated this subject.” Don’t get me wrong, I think Meier’s pics are really flightmachines, and he is trying to tell the truth. I know this case, real or not, is at the very least incredibly interesting! From my view, I think people are dependent too much to everything in this case… this website, figu German books, translations, even BILLY, etc. I think figu is acting like a cult. Dependence is a good sign of religion. I agree with Dyson that this forum is in trouble (…now in my words) is a religion. But I think for different reasons for sure; but I think the forum is okay and that “Dr. Evil” or not should be allowed to participate and express an opinion. As long as this person is peaceful and following the forum rules. The truth prevails! Hey I miss a lot a people on this forum. What about Andrew? Or Norm? I too wish Dyson would come back. I would love a challenge to debate him. But also what about M. Davo, or TerraX? People I would guess are on the Figu forum ‘hit list.’ I miss these people too. Cheers! Anthony J. Alagna | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 210 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Anthony, Then do you mind telling us what brought you back? If you think FIGU is acting like a cult and that the forum “…now in your words” is a religion, and “You think the moderators are bogus and the core group is a joke. Sometimes You even wonder about Billy and the Pleebians.”!! And while you are at it, what is a cult in your opinion? Salome, Badr | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 301 Registered: 04-2006 |
Anthony, if you suspect of figu and make such grave accusations such as being a cult = sect, please have at least the decency to provide any(some) argumentation. Please provide the unbeatable facts and "charges" against figu & this forum being a cult instrument. If you have had problems with the norms ®ulations of this forum in the past it means you do not agree with and do not respect the job done here. I think you have not taken your time to do a decent research of the case, so you speak from Unwissenheit.You say you have interest in the Billy Meier case but at the same time you do not respect how Billy has structured his mission and his teachings.ż? So i wonder what are your motives to still stay here.Sabotage, just as you have admitted to do in the past? I think you want to be remembered in the future as some of the peoples who tried to block the efforts of the Figu helpers and friends back in the 21st century.A separating, dividing, destroying element, a tool of confusion. We do not need your "help". | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 526 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Flap_dragon ; From what I know of you , you think you are smarter than everyone else . Your'e no follower because you see yourself as the rugged individual .You fancy yourself as being ahead of the pack . You want everything to be according to you ; and somewhere in your psyche argumentativeness and debatism is sport . I won't say more in respect of your privacy , but you have stepped up and put yourself in line of criticism . You get what you give , home-boy ! You're the troublemaker type . But youre no trouble to FIGU . You think your'e swaggering when in fact youre staggering . Still , as far as I'm concerned , your'e welcome here . I don't have to read your posts or answer them . If I didn't already know something about you , I would have stopped reading at " Dude" and passed you off as a child . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hey Mark, just in regards to your 523 post. Lets just leave it that we both have a difference of opinion on that matter. I also want to add that I have nothing against you, in fact I like you, in regards to reading your posts and your humorous inputs, but sometimes you can be real suck. | ||
Flap_dragon Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2007 |
Badr, you ask: why am I posting here now? I agree a lot with the Meier information. I am very interested in the subjects, fascinated really. I’m a big fan of the beamship pictures, movies and videos. Why do you have to ask? Is this not obvious from my previous posts here? My vintage American Heritage dictionary defines cult as, “n. 1. a system or community of religious worship and ritual, especially one focusing upon a single deity or spirit. 2. a. Obsessive devotion or veneration for a person, principle, or idea. B. The object of such devotion. 3. An exclusive group of person’s sharing an esoteric interest.” Notice the definition says “…a community of religious…” -- among other familiar things like “…veneration for a person…” The burden of proof lies with you to demonstrate that “dependence” is not an aspect of religion. After all, my whole argument is that “meier-ites,” generally, are overly dependent… in this example to an absent poster. Hi Hector, you said: “So i wonder what are your motives to still stay here.Sabotage, just as you have admitted to do in the past?” I’m sorry for my mistakes from the past. Please friend, I’m not trying to sabotage anything! Hector, you also said: “I think you want to be remembered…A separating, dividing, destroying element, a tool of confusion.” Please my good man; my post says that I’m trying to bring people together, not separate. It is figu moderators and some on this list that are dividing people! Just ask Randy. Campbell, did you really read my post? Or did my contrary approach (differing opinion) bamboozle you? My post was supposed to support your argument of “dependence.” Dude this was supposed to be a compliment, the aphorism thing. I’m trying to be friendly. Now who is the smart a$$? Anthony J. Alagna | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 529 Registered: 06-2000 |
What , you didn't like my 526 , ? How about my 523 ? What suck it was ? Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 04-2006 |
Ok Anthony maybe my command of the english language is not good enough and i misjudged you prematurely.I apologize if thats the case. Any cult needs a material place, a temple or a monastery where you pay homage to your deity/god/whatever. Where are such figu temples around the worldż Very simple....Nowhere.Why? Because you cannot pay homage to your spirit in a material place.That is absurd.The spirit teachings cannot be imparted in schools like math,biology or ethics.Its a personal thing. Figu says you want to evolve spiritually? Ok then seek the sources and spiritual progress in the only place where you can find it....that's introspection, congnition of truth, self control and meditation. You do not need a temple, and Billy is a teacher who offers his knowledge to the whole mankind.Never forcing his ideas on others. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 213 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Anthony, Ok so if you only “agree with Billy” then why bother coming to the forum which you view as being religious! Notice what? The definition which you are just picking what ever words you choose? lets take them bit by bit. 1. a system or community of religious worship and ritual, especially one focusing upon a single deity or spirit. What are the religious worship and ritual that FIGU perform? 2. a. Obsessive devotion or veneration for a person, principle, or idea. B. The object of such devotion. Show me any evidences (excerpts or recordings or what ever) that all FIGU members have an obsessive devotion to Billy or the Plejarens. 3. An exclusive group of person’s sharing an esoteric interest.” Never heard of an exclusive group that get something that no one else has access to, can you provide any more details? Now for the second part you talk about being “Dependent”… Seen as our history is filled with lies, lies and more lies, made to control us. And truths were always disordered so humans are not able to progress spiritually, and evolve as a real human beings should. Now many people have seen the logic of Billys words and have decided that he is probably the most valuable source of information these days, but I am not saying the only source but a reason why most of us turn to Billy to learn from his wisdom, I would imagine you might not agree since you didn’t study his writings in detail to know that no one comes close to his information. His theories and information are being slowly confirmed with every new discovery made on earth, by non-FIGU sources. So if you like to confuse him being a very valuable source for information and teachings with being dependent on his writings is your opinion, but that doesn’t mean that it is true. Billy talks about that the body needs food and liquid to survive and grow, and so does the spirit also need something to grow, which is done by wisdom, truth, logic, love, harmony etc… So in other words why not show where else we can find food for our spiritual growth, that is not mixed with poison. Salome, Badr | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 325 Registered: 03-2004 |
I am no moderator but I am asking you two to stop the insults. This is not the place for it. Exchange emails and stop waisting forum resources please. Hi Thomas, One of the instigators of this current string has eliminated himself, so things should calm down. Scott | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 327 Registered: 03-2004 |
No worries and I didn't want to stir up trouble. Thanks for the info Scott. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 10-2005 |
As to division, there is no division, within this forum... apparent to me. We are all to be treated equally in my eyes. The religions include some and exclude others... We are all a part of the wonderful shining example... the source... we all came from... Creation. Salome Bedenke es alle eines | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 02-2006 |
Mark: " What , you didn't like my 526 , ? How about my 523 ? What suck it was ?" No, you were being suck just in your 523 post and not ur 526. When someone says they find something very helpful, its very easy for someone else to come in and say they are "dependent" on it, and sound like they are right even when they are not. You know that, I know that. And thats what you did/said in your 523 post after I mentioned that I found Dyson's clarifications and input extremely helpful. Thats not nice. That then resulted with your new found mate Flap_Dragon falsely coming in with this - Dear Mark, You said: “…anyone who retains the opinion that this person who has quit has been wronged , has become dependent on another former posting member , and otherwise has no respect for that person's right to quit , stay or return .” Dude, this is brilliant, it belongs on the aphorism page! You are noticing religion. That is strong! | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 09-2002 |
Dyson posted this last year I believe "Most of the craft operate on antigravity and electro-gravitic propulsion. We are just about at the conclusion state right now regarding antigravity. I would give it maybe about 15 years and we will have cars that will levitate using this type of technology. We’re doing it up at Area 51 right now. That’s some of the stuff that my buddy worked on up at Area 51 with Northrup, who lives now in Pahrump, Nevada."" Is their technology capable of leaving the earth? If so, how far? Any one know? I'm still skeptical on the antigravity technology they might have because I do believe it might be earth bound only in nature. Anyone have any other info? Hi Mark, Dyson did not say this, he is quoting "Deep insider “AH”" Please try and be careful when quoting others. Thanks Regards Scott Mark Gilbo | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 05-2007 |
mgilbo1 if your friend worked at area 51 why don't you just ask him. oh wait they'll probably obliderate him right.  anyways i just asked billy in the q and a session what type of technology does the usa have and how far are we realy able to go into outerspace. ps can your friend speak of the technology they got in there. probably not right. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 09-2002 |
Scott, If you read my original post, I did not say Dyson said this, I said he posted it such as from a reference or reading. If he had said it himself I would have noted that but I do see your perspective on my post. Original Dave, I don't know what your talking about. I don't have friends at Area 51 nor did I say that. Please re-read my post. Is everyone on edge in this forum or what? Mark Gilbo | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Is everyone on edge in this forum or what?" When it comes to the reason for Dyson's departure from here, it seems quite a few are. I include myself in that list. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 05-2007 |
sorry for that mark. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 06-2007 |
None country in the Earth have the technology for space travel. For the moment, we are unable to reverse the technology of those ships. "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Incredible There are some stories saying that the scientists under Hitler after his death went into hiding in the forests of Brazil where they allegedly built a secret space city. Where they have many space capability flying discs. How true is this;note this info was from a video featuring Randolph Winters  ! Salome ashwin | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 09-2002 |
"When it comes to the reason for Dyson's departure from here, it seems quite a few are. I include myself in that list." Well it is what it is. You can't change whats happened so its time to move on. How come no one here posts there real name anyways? Are they embarrassed to be here or hiding from something? There is so few of us, its a shame we don't know everyones real name and home. Thanks incredible... I thought that was the case because I believe I did see the Winters video and he mentioned they(Vril)could fly to other planets but then I thought I remember Ptah say they are Earth bound only. I may be confused about where I saw or heard it but there was some conflicting info. Sirashwin, I think you may want to see the Vril craft people have talked about. I believe that was German technology. Does anyone know why their technology is Earth Bound only? Mark Gilbo | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 09-2002 |
No problem Dave. I tend to have the habit of confusing peoples writing here since there are so many different styles. Mark Gilbo | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1275 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Mark, For safety certain people may not want to post their true identity due to religious or political reasons from the area in which they reside. Regards Scott | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 06-2007 |
Sirashwind told: Dear Incredible There are some stories saying that the scientists under Hitler after his death went into hiding in the forests of Brazil where they allegedly built a secret space city. Where they have many space capability flying discs. How true is this;note this info was from a video featuring Randolph Winters! Salome ashwin I tell you: Is impossible for a group of scientist to build a space city in the middle of Amazona's rain forest without an infrastructure, money, or the help of a government. Is more... where is the tecnology for the space travel? "we born to die and we die to born" | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2007 |
mark i think people don't use there real names on here cause it's a forum and it's common to use usernames and not your real name. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 05-2007 |
well actually there are stories of the nazi's having contacts with et's, where the et's would give them technology for secret projects and millitary weapons. does anyone know if there is any truth to this. or were there contacts only through impulses. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hi Scott, Funny how one forgets that the world is not always the same as your own neighborhood. I personally don't care what anyone else thinks in my area but then again I won't get shot or beat for what I think either (I think). I do have some poor back country religous nuts come by my house every now and then to tell me Jesus is coming but I always disagree politely." A few are taken back by it but they get the message quick since I'm not a small man. They all go back to their van and move on to the next house. It will be great when anyone, anywhere can speak their mind without repercussions from an idiot(s). Hopefully that day will be sooner than later. Mark Gilbo | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 05-2007 |
hahahaha the ones that USE to come to my house rode bikes and always wore white shirts with ties. they went around saying they weren't a cult. don't remember what religion they were a part of. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2006 |
The Johovas Witness religous freaks are the worst for regularly going to people's homes. When they come to my house I just casually tell them not to bother wasting their time with me because I believe all religions are crap. Short and sweet. Why lie about it by telling them that your not interested in what their preaching when the truth is that you believe what their pushing is crap. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 02-2006 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJVkx87t1j8 This link will lead you to a video in which Stephen Hawking swiftly mentions the 'New World Order', it is strange that this is a man who swore in the 60's that he would never change his mind about a scientific idea he had, but in recent ideas he has taken back that decision and changed his mind, maybe his illness has got something to do with his genius, they have disabled him so that he can't move and he relies on them to live perhaps? It's happened before, or maybe his illness is a hoax for the cameras and he is used to brainwash peoples minds scientifically, who knows? Anyway seems like Stephen Hawking has a brilliant mind trapped in an indoctrinated mind-set. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 220 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Neal, How about telling us what evidences you got for you claims of meeting Asket. And maybe mention why you met her and all the details you can give. Since I am sure you know that 99.99% of the forum and 100% of FIGU will not believe such claims and fantasies. If you are familiar with the Meier Case then why do you call it protocols, or maybe even why do you mention soul, or vibrations, those are not common words or descriptions in the case. Maybe you missed something but there are a lot of spirits that have not originated here on earth, and that is the reason why the Plejarens are here to help out, because it is those spirits that have caused much problems on earth and to its inhabitants. So what makes your “soul” so special, what would you be able to provide us that Billy hasn’t already done? PS: (The Indigo concept was obtained via conversations with a "Master angelic energy" he calls Kryon) what master? :-) sourced from wiki, and I guess you don’t need to prove if you are an Indigo child since you will surely have no evidence? Plus while you are at it, why not tell us what sources you read from the case, so we know what you mean by “I've studied well into the Billy Meier protocols more than most people would assume.” Salome, Badr | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 221 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Incredible, Regarding your post number 69. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/1900.html?1186737327 Which contact did you read that mentions the Indigo children? And could you post the Original German text only if you can’t translate it? And just for your info, according to Billy’s teachings the aura’s natural colour is blue. Salome, Badr | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 277 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Badr, I believe Neal said he contacted Semjase, not Asket. To Neal, did you once live in Vancouver Canada? I don't think you could have possibly been in contact with Semjase, because from what I know the Plejarens implemented a non-contact with Earth human beings-except with Billy Meier policy, beginning with Billy's first contact with Semjase back in 1975, and this was for the purpose of clearing up any confusion to any person's false claims, because the Plejarens aren't stupid when it comes to the official mission. Also people who have infatuations of Semjase usually should not be trusted as some such people even have criminal records. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 844 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Incredible and Vestri..... Yes: Tell me about it....!  Well, it had gotten really to a very worse scenario when the Jehovah's kept on showing up at my front door! I once opened it and said politely that I had not interest in their Religion and did not want to be bother anymore. But, what was the case: they still came back and I just did not answer the door. And so, they put their Religious non-sense through my door mailbox! And after I told they 'politely'...that I had no interest in their Religion. So, they DID...keep on coming back, and so I got to the point to put a sign at the door window, saying: "NO, Salesmen, Jehovah's...or other Fanatics at the door. Have Respect for One's Privacy" What was then the case: THEY DID come back, but now they were even putting more of their - Deluded Religious Schizophrenic LIES -... through my door mailbox(PILES of their Rubbish)! They really did cross that line when they did this over and over. One can be very polite to them, and they still act like: Religious Fanatic NUTS! Even got me to a point that I wanted to WATER them down with a water hose! So, I decided to use my common sense, and wrote a letter to the OMBUDSMAN, here, which gives advice to people in need. Well, what they told me is that the Jehovah's have to walk 40 hours a month or so, and if you did not want them at your door just tell them; to call their Central Office. Which I then did, of course. So, from that moment on, they did not come to the door anymore. I even told the CO telephonist, what they did all that time to me and at the front door mailbox, but of course she could not 'Believe' this. I told her they are not more then a bunch of Un-mannered Idiots! Positively, this did work...called up their CO. But, as I have heard, and seen: THEY ARE BACK AGAIN! So, now I put...once again, the sign at my front door! They are known as the FOOT IN THE DOOR....Religion, here. Which they have Literally done to people when they wanted to close their front door. There is a funny Satire version I once show on TV, and they just showed that you should just SLAM the door very hard when they put their foot between it.... That got me Laughing In Tears! But we also get other Christian Fanatics at the door also, here. Especially with what is now going on. For them it is The END OF ALL TIMES, and you have to convert yourself to GOD, or you will go to HELL... You know the rest... Some Fantasy they have, not? Very Very...POLLUTED MINDS, they have. They can not even THINK Straight; with their Schizophrenic minds. They are TRULY: manifesting themselves as - Jehovah the Cruel/Barbarian's Slaves -! THEY just can NOT THINK...for themselves! When they start Shoving their Religious non-sense through someone's throat..so to speak, as they were doing to me: then they really LOST THEIR WITS! True Schizophrenic Behavior, they are showing! An 'illness' to the core! So, my little sign at the door is well in it's place, I would say. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 845 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Neal and Robjna..... I do think it was once discussed here, the Indigos phenomenon? And what Hans mentioned, was indeed...in the correct direction about the concerning. The whole 'Indigo' Concept, is just a title, to some gifted children...by some /a New Age type of movements. So, I would fully agree with what Badr mentioned in his posting referring, this concept. Family in the USA, have a very high standard thinking idea of this concept. And which to me at the time(more than a decade ago), when they talked about it when they were here, was for me not really reliable. To me at the time it was just New Age non-sense. Which I still take it to be. If there were indeed, such phenomenon to take place, here on Earth: Billy and the Plejarans would have already given a very detailed description of the concerning....a long time ago. Edward. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 222 Registered: 12-2004 |
Thats true Truthseeker, missed that one... But either way they are both in DAL, and the only way to visit them is to go to DAL Universe, so unless Neal is able to travel through universes he wouldn’t have been able to communicate with her not telepathic nor any mechanical means. So it will take about 70 years from the year 1984 till any one could contact her from this universe. thanks for the correction Salome, Badr | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 08-2006 |
Bob, I was aware of the genetic experiments with animals, I just didn't know it could be done with plants. I kinda like how we turned out so it's all good, lol. Regarding the Indigo Children, I believe they were first mentioned in the Hopi prophecy, but I could be mistaken. Good day all, Leann | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hey Badr, I will ask Semjase, but I believe she is here on Earth in one of the bases. Truthseeker, I did wonder about that, but I didn't question it. I don't live in Vancouver, Canada. I live in Pennsylvania which is on the East Coast of the United States. The Plejarens only told Billy what he needed to know and what pertained to his mission which was to raise awareness and cause controversy about the subject of UFO's. I would love for Billy to ask Semjase to confirm that I am indeed in contact with her, but I believe she wouldn't tell him the truth since it doesn't pertain to him. The Indigo's are on a different mission. Besides, it's more of a contact where I ask her questions and she answers them. I noted though that she doesn't elaborate on the answers at all. She gets right to the point. As for how I'm contacting her I believe I should keep secret for now, but later if she does prove to be the real Semjase then with her permission I will tell you all how. It was just coincidence, or perhaps my wanting to know the truth that led me to her. And Badr, I assure you that I am not yet a being capable of traversing galaxies :D Neal | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 538 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Badr and Truthseeker ; Since I'm sure that this "Socrates" character is a someone who recently left the forum membership , I recommend ignoring his obvious agenda of stirring up trouble ( which is his trademark) and using disguises on this forum (which is his trademark) .Taking up everyone's time and energy in senseless argument is a sick thrill for this individual . His words are TRANSPARENT . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2000 |
May I suggest that wasting any space or time, in any dimension, with obvious frauds is something that is, in iteself, not respectful to the members and purpose of this forum. Let's delete this person and move on. Michael Horn | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 223 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Marc and Michael, My aim of the post is to let him dig his own hole, and now with his reply it is obvious to us all and any looking at this thread the he doesn’t know about the case, and is making things up as he goes. So my view I don’t mind to get rid of a delusional member, and advise him to seek psychiatric help. Especially in his young age he might still have a chance to recover. Neal, I hope you get the message and leave this forum without having to kick you out… in your profile there is a delete profile button. I wanted to give you a chance to prove your case and you couldn’t. Listen to my advice and seek professional help. You are still young and you shouldn’t delude yourself with this nonsense. Salome, Badr | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Neal, Then you greatly underestimate the Plejarens for who they truly are. Because the Plejarens follow truth logic and wisdom by our definition, quite religiously. So obviously it is not the same Semjase. Thanks for the heads up Mark. -James Truthseeker | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2007 |
I see I touched a soft spot I was sadly mistaken about the Meier Group. I'm sorry to have wasted your precious time. Let us part our ways. And yes I knew what you were trying to do Badr and the only thing I did was reply honestly. Times have changed. Bye | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 02-2006 |
Billy said the reading of people's aura's is crap. This is what Wikipedia says about Indigo Children. Indigo Children Indigo Children is a term used within the New Age movement to refer to children who are alleged to possess paranormal attributes such as the ability to read minds. The Indigo child concept was first publicized in the 1982 book "Understanding Your Life Through Color," by Nancy Ann Tappe. Tappe, a self-proclaimed synesthete and psychic, says she has the ability to see people's auras, and began noticing in the late 70's that many children were being born with "indigo" auras. Today, she estimates that 97 percent of children under ten and 70 percent of those age 15 to 25 are "Indigo." The idea of Indigo children was popularized by the 1999 book The Indigo Children: The New Kids Have Arrived, written by the husband-and-wife team of Lee Carroll and Jan Tober. Carroll insists that the concept was obtained via conversations with a "Master angelic energy" he calls Kryon. Tober has said that she and Carroll do not talk much about Kryon in interviews about their Indigo children books, because "the Indigo book is aimed at the mainstream public." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 279 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey, I just simply replied to a post quite honestly and even when one can truly tune into the true situation concerning the Plejarens or have read what Billy has been publishing all this time, then they will know for sure that what I say is true. If he is in contact with a woman by the name of Semjase, then one can also bet that just perhaps someone within the secret service could be messing around with his heard in much the same way as was happening to James Gilliland with his sightings of UFOs. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 04-2006 |
One must be cautious with delusional persons. The women who were deceived by the Gizeh intelligences by means of the Fatima apparitions, these women really saw a miracle camouflaged in the form of a mental projection.Same case as Hitler. Daniel Fry experienced his meetings with a fake extraterrestrial in the same way as the women of Fatima.Mental projection, self deception, delusion, whatever. What socrates may have experienced could have been real to his senses, although it did not correspond to the effective truth. Saalome | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 03-2007 |
Actually, Hector, in Contact 249, Billy mentions in his conversation with Ptaah that Quetzal and Semjase had explained to Billy once that Dan Fry actually did have contact with extraterrestrials. He is said to have taken photos as well but later destroyed them. And Ptaah confirmed it. But your point is still well taken. Kind regards Bob | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Bob i have to make a correction.Dan Fry was the guy who introduced me to the UFO world, and he brought me here to search the validity and truth of his case. His technical articles and free books are one of the best starts for newcomers in the ufology field, i think. But in Figu sonderbulletin 25 Ptaah says the following:"The Gizeh Intelligences transposed via teleprojection apparent realities with visionary experiences into a few others, like Dan Fry and Schmidt etc., who then considered these as reality. Many others, however, were and still are only liars and deceivers with alleged contacts that never took place or are not taking place".The article in its entirety (english translation) here: http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder_bulletin/2006/nr_25/matters_of_extraterrestrials?page=0%2C0 Anyway Dan Fry had no possibility of noticing such deception because he felt everything was real.The finematter-thought world which we earthhumans have not explored yet in detail makes possible that we cannot distinguish effective reality from vivid dreams or mental teleprojection.But we will in the future. Take care bob i enjoy your posts very much. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 03-2007 |
Ah-So! Your information is more current than Mine. You win! :-) Thanks for providing that link! I enjoy reading your posts as well! Kind Regards! Bob | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Vestri, In one of your posts you were asking about the info. in Contacts from the Pleiades 1 & 2 they come on a CD to be printed. I have both and cannot stop reading the # 1. In this book Billy is taken on a grand tour of the Universe, yes the Universe. It details his thoughts and feelings prior to the voyage and during (that's as far as I got) I cannot put it down! As it happened I read # 2 first and was fascinated by the details for example: Billy's ability to foresee in a dream what will happen to him before it happens, the science of Creation and the human within this science,(these are my own foot notes) An explanation of how the Ape-humans "are not akin to human being creatures...they are similar ... but they are merely a faunic creature whose origin traces back to the flora-world". This next explanation was for me kind of a confirmation to what I 'somehow knew' myself already but was never sure until Billy confirmed it in his contact: "...more than 5.5 Billion years ago I flickered somewhere as an Amino Acid element on the ancient earth...after a time of a billion years, led toward the human master pattern, and then slowly, slowly to a similar to body human being..." Yet another: thanks to Billy's efforts and Figu the Olympic games took place. It does not mention which specifically although it is 115th Contact dated 19 October, 1978. Does anyone here know? These contacts are full of great wholesome and clear info. I would fill a whole page here if I continued but maybe I can help you if you like? if so please send me an email: carouselle1@yahoo.com.au | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Vestri, According to FIGU bulletin #38 the aura or fluidal force can be seen by some (I.E. not crap), although, not very many have this ability. According to the Meier Material what may be BS is that fluidal forces such as the sixth and seventh sense are being termed SUPERNATURAL. Apparently we ALL have these senses available... although some have allowed the pituitary to atrophy thereby making it more difficult to perceive these fine matter senses and indeed block them. This bulletin has some interesting information on our seven senses including perception and feeling. It is interesting to note that things observed or experienced with these sixth and seventh senses are much more clearly remembered. My personal experiences of visiting my family in California (in the warm sun) while in Alaska (in the freezing dark) have been clearly remembered all these thirty five years due to these sojourns previously made regardless of boundaries of space and time available using fine matter sense. It is my understanding my consciousness was always intact with my body and mind and these fluidal force "travels" were not travels of consciousness... Mozart was buried rather than cremated so that his fluidal forces will be preserved, could this be a factor of this talent to play music or other prodigal tendencies? The five senses familiar to most of us, hearing, seeing, touching and smelling... also include the more fluidal senses of perception and feeling making a total of seven senses. The later two are more in tune with fluidal or fine matter (energy forces) and can detect the future or the past and in fact, all boundaries of space and time are opened using these fluidal… previously erroneously called “angelic” senses. The archaic term angelic with wings was most likely used to describe off planet living of more spirtually advanced individuals because the concept of living off the flat ground could only have been explained in terms of Earth perception at that time... or the ancient observers'earthly perception of flying birds... examples of living "above" the ground. Their incorrect concept was, since these people live off planet they were perceived as constantly "flying" since, two thousand years ago... the concept of other round worlds existing where they could stand as they stand here on Earth must be performed as flight. It was beyond the consciousness of people at that time, well... some... | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Melli, thanks very much for letting me know that about the Contacts from the Pleiades 1 & 2, and I think I will now decide to purchase those two CD's. I might also email you too, thanks. Hi Rarena, no I'm afraid you are wrong about people/mediums having the ability to read people's aura's. And I stand correct in saying that Billy said that the reading of people's aura's is crap. Read for yourself in the latest SB38 at Gaiaguysnet - The radiating impression of the personality is the radiation factor which is also designated the aura and it is this which can be observed, by means of the sense of perception, by other humans when they are sensitive enough, respectively, when they can consciously use the energies and powers of the pineal gland, and thereby consciously utilize these perceptions. The fact is that every human is surrounded by a fine-matter, respectively, a fluidal, electromagnetic field which contains the information of the personality. Therefore the imprint, respectively, the radiation of the personality is also called the information-field (none of which, however, has anything to do with esoteric nonsense, just as it has nothing to do with the alleged and deceitful mediums who falsely boast, out of image-seeking and profit-greed, about their ability to see auras.) http://www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb38finematter.htm | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 318 Registered: 01-2004 |
rarena, i hope i dont misunderstand you so i'll quote you... "According to the Meier Material what may be BS is that fluidal forces such as the sixth and seventh sense are being termed SUPERNATURAL." fluidal forces are not the 6th and seventh senses either one or the other. is that what you are saying? because that's how im understanding what you wrote. billy clearilt states that 6th and 7th senses are psyche and spirit. thanks | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 848 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rarena, Vestri and Peter..... Vestri: well, in the first part of what you posted IS stated, that One can indeed SEE an aura through the - sense of perception: by other humans when they are sensitive enough, respectively, when they can consciously use the energies and powers of the pineal gland, and thereby consciously utilize these perceptions. -! From my own studies: the relation of - the pineal gland - corresponds with what I also came across concerning this subject....in the past, which was also done by our to days physicians. Thus, Billy DOES say here....that it IS possible to see the Aura/Auric fields, if you will, if One is 'Sensitive' enough. Thus, without any doubt: It can be seen! And when spoken of the alleged and deceitful mediums(the Wannabees): this means(is referring to) those whom are Charlatans, Schizophrenic clairvoyants...etc...etc...whom say the can see the Auras; which is in most cases very false representations: thus, plain old Charlatan LIES. Thus, you all are each Partially correct! Thus, in short: it CAN BE SEEN by Sensitive people, through the usage of their Pineal Gland(scientifically proven)! [take for instance: Ancient Spirit-forms, they have the ability and capability to utilize their Clairvoyant talents, due to their higher Evolution standard, etc...; thus, THEY are the ones whom can make use of such Creational talents!] And in the case of the Fraudulent Mediums: They are just plain old LIARS... when it come down to them stating that they can see Auras! And as is mentioned they just do it for the Bucks and their False Fame! [these mentioned are in many cases just plain old Lower/Younger Spirit-forms whom want to shine in the foot-light, so to speak! With NO True Clairvoyant talents at all!] Thus, we have to make Clear 'Distinction' between the two above mentioned! One must indeed LOOK further....than what is written, so to speak, gentlemen! Edward. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 582 Registered: 10-2000 |
Re the first two books of the Contact Notes, we have them at www.theyfly.com. Michael Horn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 261 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Vestri,Peter, and Edward, Vestri you're right about that, you said read, not see. My mistake. Although the aura is a fine matter (energy) appurtenance of our body mind and spirit and is used in the talent of telepathy which is mind based and indeed reading out to 3 light seconds or 900,000 Km or 600,000 miles a long ways, not using the eyes per se. An example is a dying relative is perceived by you... useing the fine matter aura. Or when the thoughts of someone bores a hole in your back you are indeed reading or perceiving your own aura. Here is a little exercise that uses the aura... Am sending love to you who reads this right now... Okay??? Here goes................................................................feel it? Fine matter at work... outside the boundaries of space and time. Try it next time in traffic, sending love to that person who just had to cut in front of you... it is amazing. What a feeling! Peter, what is BS is this being termed a SUPERNATURAL ability, we can all do this with continued practice. Apparently we all have the capability to see them but not many on Earth... in other words, we have a little evolution to go in order to see them. Edgar Cayce was allegedly one such person. In my experience it was possible to see what is called the etheric (as termed by Edgar Cayce), which it is my understanding a rudementry part of the aura and appears like a fine dark grey fog undulating close to the body. Edward, do you feel Edgar Cayce was a fruadulent medium? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 850 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rarena.... I think myself, that Edgar Cayce was indeed....a very very talented man. Have read some things about him in the past, also. I am not so detailed of an informant as some others on this board, though...but his perceptions were in the right direction, so to speak. So, I did read his experiences with much curiosity and interest. And NO: he seems to me to be a True gifted individual. So, to me he was no fraudulent medium. He could indeed be...an Ancient Spirit-from utilizing his rare gifts. And I think Billy and the Plejarans never mentioned him as being fraudulent, even. Edward. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 539 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Randy ; Is there a hand signal that can be done to show that love for the person who cuts you off in traffic ? just kidding ! Michael ; Will Contact books # 3 and # 4 from Wendelle Stevens be released on disc as well ? Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 02-2006 |
I found this interesting site which ranks the worlds top 121 most peaceful countries. Global Peace Index Rankings This section lists the results of the analysis into each nation's peace. This is the prime table in the Global Peace Index section. The countries are ranked from most peaceful to least peaceful, highlighting their ranking as well as their score. You can click on a country to see the detail of its peace indicators and drivers. http://visionofhumanity.com/rankings/ | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi all, A question on Cayce... The following below is something i acquired quite a while back, however i don't know exactly where it came from etc. The translation is from: http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/index.html Until Dyson or equivalent comes up with a decent translation, i question it's validity, detail also etc. Regards, JP " Edgar Cayce kann und darf ebensowenig in die Vorgenannten eingereiht werden, wie auch nicht Nostradamus. E. Cayce war ein begabter Seher und ein ausgezeichnetes Medium, während Nostradamus ein Seher und Berechner astrologischer Form war. Billy " " Edgar Cayce can be incorporated and may just as little into the aforementioned ones, like also not Nostradamus. E. Cayce was a talented Seher and an excellent medium, while Nostradamus was a Seher and a Berechner of astrological form. Billy " | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello All, I posted this on the PAR forum in May and I thought I would post it here also. It would appear Edgar Cayce was right again. Subject: [Plejarens_are_real_2005] Re: August 13 2007 Special Date? >Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:46:49 -0000 > >If I'm not mistaken, Edgar Cayce predicted a major fall in the stock >market in '06 or '07 and also said there were these cycles. Maybe it >will be in August. It will be interesting to watch for. >Leann and this one also. Hello, Here's what I read, fyi... The following are some more of Cayce's most astute predictions about science and technology: Discovered the existence of the long economic cycle Cayce described a long term economic cycle of 24 to 25 years which predicts depressions and major recessions. Starting with a base year of 1907, every 24th or 25th year precisely describes an economic downturn. Based on Cayce's definition, the next major depression is forecast for the year 2006 or 2007. The cycle does not describe all of the downturns but it definitely describes the worst downturns. http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html Salome, Leann Just wanted to pass this along to those of you interested in his predictions. I think the wild ride on Wall Street proves him right again and the month isn't even over yet. Good evenin' to all of you, Leann | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello JP, Your post 345 was answered in a post by James theTruthseeker in 2002. Greetings JP, I seem to remember the Edgar Cayce info from Billy send from Harry D. The translation I finally found was something like this. "...Edgar Cayce can be incorporated as been truthfull into the group of very few mentioned ones, yet unlike Nostradamus, E. Cayce was a talented Seer and an excellent medium, while Nostradamus was a Seer and a prophet of astrological form . | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 856 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Leann and JP.... And if I remember it correctly, Billy even mentioned that Nostradamus, was in No Way...in contact with any ET species....what so ever. Here, in Europe and even in the Netherlands: in some circles...people still 'believed' that he was in contact with higher ET life forms. So, thanks to Billy for clearing this up..... Edward. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Edward, Billy has mentioned fairies before so I thought I would share the following from a letter written by EC. It touched my heart and for some reason I thought of you. Yes - I recall the day of special experiences on the little island - very well. There lived back of your fathers place, a family of Pikes, Carter Pike and his wife and two boys John and Carter Jr. John was about 18 while you and I were some 11 or 12. The other boy was much older. There was a spring on the creek bank called Pike's spring - they kept boats on the river or creek there were a few deep holes in the creek where the boys fished John was very nice to you and I tho both your folks and mine did not like for us to have much to do with these boys. They were sometimes pretty rough - John told us however of the Island and how pretty it was there and offered to lend us his boat for us to visit the Island. We had played often with the little folks in the barn stable and the strawrick near the stables, but had not known the Fairies or the prixies of the water or creek. Do not recall that we had read any thing in particular about these folks before that day. We had taken the little folks as being a very natural occurrence and as have said all through you and I rather curious to believe in such things except my mother and Mr. B. A. each of them thought we were very unusual but a very pretty idea at least - and after the day told you of in the Barn when Mr. B. A. played for us and we told him of the days with the little folk was much easier for you and I - anyway this day - as I recall it must have been about the time of day we should have been going to S.S. or church but we went exploring and went to the Creek, met John near the spring. He told us again of the Island and lent us his boat to go there. We went - and found it a very lovely beautiful spot - the little folks came almost immediately we landed - soon we builded us a lovely little play house with the help of the little folks. There were then several of them, say some four or five boys and girls like our selves - among the flowers we saw the Fairies for the first time - learned from the little folks the difference between the Fairies and prixies and the Gnomes. There we pledged ourselves to one another for all time, witnessed by the little folks and blessed by the Fairies - sang to by the prixies, and guess we might have stayed on and on but late in the evening we were called home by your Mother and Josie your older sister. Oh yes we went again to the island, and yet again until it was too cold to go - even tho we both got whippings for going, but it was beautiful there - a real fairy land. I wish we all could have these experiences.. Leann | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 857 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Leann.... Well, that does sound most astonishing, I have to say. Well, I live in the central of the Netherlands, and we have very much forest grounds, and the biggest forest area is called here - the Gelderse Bos or the Veluwe -; Gelderse (Bos) meaning the Province I live in. It is a very very beautiful piece of forest and sand country. And it is also known to inhabit Kabouters (= Gnomes/Hobbits)...or Fairies. There have been people whom have seen such creatures. Some say it is invisible for the eye..and that only curtain individuals can see them. I have been to some forest grounds many times but have never seen anything, but I do have to admit of hearing all sorts of noises...which sound like foot-steps behind or around me, though. Which does give you The Creeps, when you hear and feel something and can not see it. But, of course, it may just be Nature and its surrounding playing tricks on me, and/or just the small animal life forms and so forth? There has even been individuals whom said that they could conjure up the mentioned if they wished to. But, in many cases, these were individuals that would say...they could only see them. And would then even say: see, the Fairies..are walking around us or dancing, or what ever. But with self- intutition, one could sense if they spoke the truth or not. But, I have no doubt, that they are out there. And are in some way - Dimensional - related; I think Billy even mentioned this once, about (Inter-) Dimensional beings/creatures. And if seen in small heights/appearance...they could indeed be interpreted as Fairies or what ever. So, perhaps, some can indeed only see them, as they say. And at times, everyone that is present. My mother even knew someone, when she lived in a Orphan home (in Indonesia)...in her childhood days, whom said she get visits from a Fairy, or two. And that this Fairy was guiding her through life; and even told of future events to her. And as my mother told me: which in many cases came to pass. And many children thought this girl to be crazy, but my mother was convinced of what the girl told her and the events that were (being) fulfilled. So, the above mentioned is also a quite remarkable experience....if it is indeed based on truth. I also did very much self study on this many years back. And there are SOOO MANY Stories that have been told, it does make one pounder; some, One can classify as Fakes, and some as a question mark. It is part of the Folklore, here. Just like Billy: even my mother always had small statues of Kabouters in the yard and everyone had to keep their hands of them... But, in general, Kabouters are put in most yards here; a bit of tradition...and the Folklore, which of course, brought in down to the people. So, their existence did truly not fall down from the sky, as they say. So, in the Folklore...there is always some Truth, in it. Just like Dragons: which Billy and the Plejarans did Confirm did once exist in our past history. So, the Japanese and Chinese and English and European Folklore concerning the Dragon(s)...was bases on Truth. Edward. | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hi Edward, Thanks for that. You must live in a truly beautiful place. Until now I've never mentioned to anyone that when I was very young I had some very small friends that lived in my grandmothers sewing machine drawer,lol. I've always thought it was my childhood imagination but now I'm not so sure. Did you happen to see the Dragon documentary that showed how they made fire? Very interesting stuff. The saying is true, Truth is stranger than fiction. Leann | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 858 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Leann.... Yes, I have seen a couple of documentaries about Dragons. And yes, very interesting.... Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Leann Regarding the dragon documentary, if it is the one once shown in Discovery; where they show a fossil and all; then it is clearly stated that it was just a story, like the other documentary where they send two probes two a different planet to study alien life. And yes i too found the dragon documentary very interesting; i thought it was all real in the excitement  ! Salome ashwin | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hi ashwin, It probably was on the Discovery Channel and quite possibly they gleaned their info from this. Real Dragon Fossils on Display in China Some fossils, named the “China dragon fossils”, were recently exhibited in the Xinwei Ancient Life Fossils Museum in Anshun, Guizhou. When archeologists first stripped the clay off the fossil, they found the dragon had a pair of horns above its head and the shape of the dragon was very like the legendary animal often described in books and stories. Dragons have often appeared in Chinese legends. The dragon with two horns on its head is regarded as a totem. The totem was first invented by Chinese ancestors and worshipped by the Chinese people. Therefore Chinese people are also called the “descendents of the dragon”. For a long time, scientists thought that the dragon was a fictional animal existing only in stories. The dragon fossil was found in Guanling County, Anshun City, in 1996, and has been kept in a good condition. It is measured 7.6 meters long. Its head is 76 centimeters long and the neck is 54 centimeters long. The body is 2.7 meters in length and 68 centimeters in width, and the tail is 3.7 meters long. The dragon’s head is in a triangle shape. Its mouth is 43 centimeters long. The widest part of the head is 32 centimeters long. The horns project from the widest part of the head, and are symmetrical and 27 centimeters long. They are a little bit curved and tilted, which makes the fossil look very much like the legendary dragon. The China dragon was a reptile animal living in the ocean in Triassic Period about 200 million years ago. It was an amphibian. It spent most of its time living in water, although sometimes it walked on land. It also laid eggs on land. The animal lived on fish and small reptile animals. This is the first time that China found a dragon fossil with a pair of horns. Its discovery provides some evidence to prove that dragons might really have horns. The fossil provides important scientific information for people to trace the origin of the Chinese legendary dragon.  | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Leann Very interesting indeed. i never knew all this! But i thought for a dragon to be a "dragon" it firstly had to fly and secondly have the ability to breathe out a flame. i can't really get how an amphibian could do that? Salome ashwin | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2007 |
If a dragon breathe fire, that would be the most antiecological bug of the nature. The nature is not so stupid to create a so destructive creature. maybe that picture is: 1. a fake 2. an unknown specie of dinosaur "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive off her" | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 579 Registered: 07-2000 |
The dragon photo which Leann posted perhaps is an art creation of the original finding. The real thing is here: http://pic.people.com.cn/BIG5/42592/5845917.html We can find there a few photos with more details. Enjoy Savio | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 06-2005 |
I thought people will find the info. about Anti Gravity interesting somewhat perplexing and also promising, this is an interesting describing of the construction of CORAL CASTLE in the 1920s-1930s in Miami Florida by a man name called Edward Leedskalnin. (just type in the name Coral Castle.com) Here Anti Gravity construction was on display 70 years ago for everyone to learn from, yet we are still following arguments leading to nowhere and in fact we have regressed in the name of progress? I have to ask myself 'are we an Intelligent society'? And also this observation about science from Tom Bearden: "The national institutes of health in the USA have very little knowledge of the actual healing machanism of the body; its cellular regeneration system which is highly special Electromagnetic system... They are absolutely determined to continue with drugs, vaccinations, anti-biotics and other conventional therapies. Consequently we are 50 years (more now)behind where we should be in medical therapy technology". | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Melli Regarding Anti-gravity i think it's all just a conspiracy theory. Cause even the Plejarens say that we have not yet completely understood Gravity. Even more the telemeter discs are not anti-gravity crafts, but i believe rather based on propulsion electromagnetic in nature. But i feel there is much to be discussed on all this, since always no one knows what truth is there in what the other says. PS - my info on the telemeter could be most probably be wrong  Salome ashwin | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 06-2005 |
Dear Ashwin, I cannot be certain as to how the Coral Castle was built but reading about it leads me to think that some Powers were indeed available. About Anti Gravity and other eye opening issues please read the Gaiaguys website, there is a mountain of information coming from the Plejarens in their translations and one such article can be found in SB 34. www.gaiaguys.net/meiersb34.htm Cheers,Bianca | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bianca Thanks for the link. Speaking of Coral Castle it reminds me of what Billy said about the construction of the Pyramids; saying that though chiefly it was shear man-power a little help with telekinesis was used. Anyways thanks again for the link. This is also brings up the question of the power source. Like for instance where does the Great Spacer derive all its power? Salome ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 03-2007 |
Their propulsion systems are founded on electron energy. Plejaren leader, Ptaah, explained in the 238th contact, that the entire universal space is full of electrons, and the space is not simply empty, as the lay person erroneously thinks, and that this has already been known by Earthly scientists for a very long time. However, electrons exist not only in one kind or form, rather in very many different forms. He said that on the Earth there is no longer a secret about this because they already authorized scientists for a long period of time to receive appropriate (thought) impulses. 410. Um deiner Frage jedoch gerecht zu werden, darf ich dir erklären, dass unsere Vorfahren das Prinzip der Elektronenenergie entdeckten, die auf allen Planeten und Gestirnen sowie in allen Lebensformen ebenso vorhanden ist wie auch in unerschöpflicher Form im gesamten Universum. 410. Ptaah: In order to answer your question properly, may I explain to you that our forefathers uncovered the principle of electron energy that is available on all planets and stars as well as in all life forms, as it also is in inexhaustible form in the entire universe. 411. Wir machen uns selbst heute diese Elektronenenergien noch ebenso zunutze wie einst unsere frühen und späteren Vorfahren, nur dass wir Energieumwandlungen vornehmen und im Gebrauch dieser Energien und in deren Anwendung sowie in der dafür erforderlichen Technik unvergleichbar weiterentwichelt sind als dies unsere Vorfahren waren. 411. We make use of this electron energy still today as once did our early and later forefathers, only we undertook energy transformations and developments which are incomparable to those our forefathers had in regard to the use of these energies and their employment as well as in the technology required. 412. Tachyonentriebwerke sowohl als auch Strahlentriebwerke und Antimaterietriebwerke sowie auch unsere neuesten Fortbewegungsmöglichkeiten mit Transmittern fundieren auf Elektronenenergie, die wir shon seit vielen Jahrtausenden nutzen in immer prefektionierterer Form. 412. Tachyon propulsion as well as also beam propulsion and anti-matter propulsion, as well as our newest propulsion possibilities with transmitters, are founded on electron energy, that we have already used for many thousands of years in always more perfected form. 413. Auch die kosmisch-elektromagnetische Lebensenergie, von der eine jegliche Lebensform lebt, ist ein Produkt der nie erschöpfbaren Elektronenenergie des Universums. 413. Also the cosmic electromagnetic life energy from which all life forms live is a product of the never exhaustible electron energy of the universe. 414. Auch eine jegliche Daseinsform, egal welcher Art auch immer, lebt davon, sogar die Geistformen, auch wenn deren Energie um unendlich vieles feiner ist. 414. Also any form of existence, no matter which kind, always lives from it, even the spirit forms, although their energy is infinitely much finer. (Translation by Gaiaguys.) In this conversation Billy realizes that essentially an electron impulse drive could be activated which would find a hold on the electrons in free space, against which, through the electron vibrations/oscillations, it would be repelled and moved forward. He realized that Ptaah’s information also explains why the Plejaren craft never lack energy, either in space or on a planet, and also how it is possible that they divert the light around their ships to make them appear invisible. And also he concludes that, because they employ a shell, a kind of cloak, of electron oscillations, the Plejaren can travel along at unrestricted speeds without being roasted by the heat that would otherwise come about from the friction caused by traveling through the atmosphere. Billy also goes on to explain that electron power should replace atomic power on Earth, and that it would solve the pollution problem, replacing the use of oil and diesel with independently electron powered air and land vehicles, and that medical scientists should get behind the problem of electron medicine because through certain electronic effects not only can any sickness be healed, rather also life-spans can be increased. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob Is this electron expanse similar to what Paul Dirac hypothesised as the Dirac Sea,( a sea of electrons) ? Salome ashwin PS - Does this mean that the DAL universe has an endless expanse of protons? | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 03-2007 |
Is this electron expanse similar to what Paul Dirac hypothesized as the Dirac Sea? I don’t know. Maybe. I never studied the Dirac Sea in depth (no pun intended) because my interest in quantum mechanics was fueled by the writings of Richard Feynman who solved the negative-energy problem without using a Dirac sea. You could say he was less “direct”, (pun intended). Does this mean that the DAL universe has an endless expanse of protons? A Twin Universe means that a Universe came to creation as a twin together with another Universe, very similar to a woman who gives birth to twins. In case of our twin Universe both have the same material structure which enables inter-universal travel. In other words their electron based propulsion systems would not work there if that was the case. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob Thanks for the answers, especially the one regarding the similarities of the DERN and DAL universes. But I do have a query. Since there is balance and order in the universe, the expanse of electrons in the universe would imply that there should be a similar expanse of protons or positrons or something else to balance it out. How true is this? Thanking you ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 03-2007 |
Well, Dirac's original interpretation wasn't just a 'sea of electrons', it was a 'sea of negative energy'. The four solutions for his equation would be describing a filled negative energy sea of positrons and electrons, with the positive energies floating on the surface of this Sea. But as to whether that’s true or not, I don’t know. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob If what Ptaah said regarding earth scientists are already aware of the existence of the endless expanse of electrons is true; this imblies there must be a sort of simple experiment to prove it. Do you know of any such? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 03-2007 |
There are some experiments in the book, “Homemade Lightning,” by R.A. Ford which demonstrate this. I think both the Wimshurst Machine and Van de Graaf generator do as well. The problem is that “static electricity” is not properly explained in textbooks. Regards Bob | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 860 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Bob and All.... Very good description of the - Electron - postings. Even today, what Ptaah has mentioned is common knowledge. I remember learning this at school, even though I had this for a short time(before I dropped out). How to understand HOW Electric and Electric-Magnetic Fields waves manifest themselves: it all comes down to 'Negative' Electrons and the 'Positive' Protons, and how they manifest together as an Energy source(or individually). In general the both have a functioning manifestation, as we learn of the Positive Proton SUCKING the Negative Electron into it, which is the UR source of Magnetic Attraction/Pull Force. And when entering a trajectory at an angle and not Directly, but...Indirectly, it's trajectory will manifest itself in a Loop, whereby the Electron will Loop itself around the Proton, and will never collide with each other. And now, Presto: we have the early version of the - ATOM -. Thus, indeed: the Electron is a Wonderbaarlijk Energy Source. And indeed, it can be utilized in many ways when converted in it's usage. So, our todays scientists truly hit the nail on this subject. And of course, are making excellent forward progression, and will one day utilize the Electron in the ways the Plejaran's forefathers have and todays Plejarans. Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob and Edward Static electricity accounts for charges within an insulator, i.e. how can it account for electrons present in vacuum? The magnetic field is caused by the movement of a charged particle, and the magnetic forces arise from the interaction of magentic fields. And the Van de Graaf generator is connected to a power source which finally with help of an insulating belt induces the required charge on the spherical surface. So the charge is caused due to the presence or absence of free electrons. Thanking you ashwin PS - my info could be wrong | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 03-2007 |
Static electricity accounts for charges within an insulator, i.e. how can it account for electrons present in vacuum? Well this is what I was alluding to earlier with my statement that static electricity is not properly explained in textbooks. First of all, it is not "static" as is conventially described. And secondly it is most commonly described as being created by friction. But there are numerous examples of static electricity occuring without friction and outside of an insulator. I recommend that you read the book, "There Are No Electrons: Electronics For Earthlings," by Kenn Amdahl. Don't be fooled by the title - there are of course electrons. The author is making a facetious commentary that no one can actually see them. Regarding the Van de Graff generator - yes, there is a power source that runs a belt to induce charge, but all the little lighting sparks that dance on the surface of the sphere come from free electrons. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Bob Thanks for the book, i will definitely try to get a hold of it. Regards ashwin PS - This reminds me of a documentary i saw on free energy; showed a small community living in somewhere in switzerland who had built a device that could generate electricity from the constant downpour of cosmic rays. But they refused to give out the working as they believe that the world is not prepared for such technology, and that it would inevitably be used for the wrong purposes. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Ashwin, the documentary where you saw that free energy device in Switzerland was called "The Race For Zero Point". It was an excellent Documentary and can be watched free on Google Video. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Vestri I know, you are right it was really good - infact i downloaded it to see later for future reference. But sadly Billy has said that it would be long before all of earth humanity reap the benefits of free energy. Regards ashwin PS - while i was writing my previous post to Bob i suddenly thought was that house in Switzerland they showed that of Billy; but i later reasoned it couldn't be  | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all Is it true that the "Destroyer Comet" was last seen from Earth in 1860-1 ? Salome ashwin | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 05-2007 |
Sorry i meant 1680-1 ! | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 08-2004 |
1680 sounds about right, Ashwin; and it isn't now ever coming back according to Billy. cpl | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Cpl Then how come there wasn't any big damage here in 1680? Because almost everytime the Destroyer Comet came into our Solar system it would bring "trouble" in some form or the other. Did the Plejarens do something or were we just lucky? Regards ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 305 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dear ashwin, I don't know if there's actual detail on that. But it could well be that northern Europe was lucky, although it did have the Black Death, and some engravers made illustrations of enormous stars and comets in the sky in the 17th century that still puzzle researchers. If what the Ps say is right that it gradually had shorter cycles ending up around 500-600 years or so only, then it must have passed about three times since the time of Immanuel. Our records are scant, of course, for these periods. Could it have had something to do with the reason for the Dark Ages, or arrived at that time? It may also have caused larger effects in China or Asia or elsewhere on the planet, or as you say we may have been lucky in it not coming quite so close to Earth at those times. There are strange reports of very unusual things in China hundreds, or a thousand, years back that could have been effects from The Destroyer: lengthened days and no nights, or the reverse. I don't recall exactly. It obviously can't have always completely destroyed civilization. cpl | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 02-2006 |
Billy said that the US Government would try to capture one of the Plejarens beamships if they ever tried to land to talk to the US Government. And decades ago the CIA had moved into a building close to the SSSC to closely watch over Billy and the Plejarens. My question is has anyone here heard billy mention in private if there were any past attempts by the US Government to try to capture any Beamships landing in Swizterland to see Billy. I wondered if they would mention this in the contact notes if it did happen. Does anyone know if this ever did happen? | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Cpl I believe this refers to the "Destroyer Comet" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/1680_V1 Regards ashwin | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 05-2007 |
Or one could try this, but put the date as 1680-11-14 http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=1680%20V1;orb=1 Salome ashwin | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Vestri I wonder will Billy mention it, if it had happened, because most probably the Plajarens would tell him not to on such matters. Maybe someone at the SSSC would have a better idea. Regards ashwin | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dear Ashwin, knowing how much the US craves total world power I think it probably did happen, and probably more then once too and all with total failure of course too. If it did I would have liked to have heard some of the circumstances around it, so I can have a bit of a laugh. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 09-2002 |
Our science should be very careful in distinguishing between negative charge and negative energy. When one talks about protons and electrons, they are charges of a certain type of energy. Big difference than the way many scientists explain it who seem to think the electron is negative energy, it is not. Billy and the Plejaren are very good at focusing on the Electron as a source of free energy, but it is more complicated than this and I'm sure they know it and choose to leave it out (at least in the printed english material). Its the reaction within the electron that is the key and what comes out of it. Mark Gilbo | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1297 Registered: 12-1999 |
Russia tests "super bomb" http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070912/wl_nm/russia_bomb_dc | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 03-2007 |
Yes indeed, Mark. I remember reading in one of the contact notes that there were actually many types of electrons. This fact is still unknown to our scientists. And at least one of these electron types could convert itself into another sub-atomic type such as neutrino. I'm a little fuzzy on the details though, and I'll have to go back and dig where I saw that. Regards Bob | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 06-2007 |
The russians are upgrading their arsenal. Personally If I where engineer my favorite job would be to designing new weapons. I don't know why but I like that job, Maybee the level of violence and degeneration of this world make me to love that.  "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive off her" | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 146 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Scott, I heard about the new Russian "Father of all Bombs" last night on the the TV news and wondered whats the big deal about this bomb and what could be some of the benefits of it too compared to using nuclear bombs. One of things I thought of was if there was a huge ground or air military attack against them and encrouching on their land they could use these type of super bombs to blow any and all attacks sky high and not have to worry about nuclear fallout contaminating their land. Something that couldn't or wouldn't be done with conventional nuclear weapons.  | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 05-2007 |
The "father of all bombs" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5765880177668924928  Salome ashwin | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hey Scott, That’s disturbing news, it looks like we humans will continue to develop technologies to destroy each other by more efficient means, aren’t terrestrial humans very clever indeed! "The defense ministry stresses this military invention does not contradict a single international treaty. Russia is not unleashing a new arms race." Rukshin said: "At the same time, I want to stress that the action of this weapon does not contaminate the environment, in contrast to a nuclear one." That’s great news; we can all sleep very well now knowing that the environment will not be contaminated in contrast to a nuclear blast. Hmmmm, let me see… 1. We humans have been “contaminating”, and let’s not forget “destroying” the planets biosphere for decades not only with nuclear weapons, neutron bombs, electromagnetic weapons, but through thoughtless use of other human technologies along with our greed, indifference and down right aggressiveness etc. etc. 2. what’s next, some kind of “anti-matter bomb” yielding a matter/energy efficiency the likes we have never seen before, when will these insane weapons stop been manufactured and the ones that remain dismantled and made safe, and oh, lets not forget about those nasty biological weapons. Looks like the kids are playing with the loaded gun again! Mike | ||
462 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi! not been in on this site for a long time. I have been doing my own research on the internet and through people and experience, and however I hear stories of underground alien wars and NSA:s (a strong part of the american goverment) plans to take over the world, and inslave 5/6 of the worlds population. All this has been done behind our back, underground in so called "black projects". Behind this movment is a fracture of the american goverment, where the people get directives of the so called "greys". here is a guy who used to work for the goverment; Philip Schneider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbONIQfQmDU he talks of pleadians and billy meier. But says that they have returned because of wars on there own planet?! don't know what I want out of this post but I feelt an big importance inside of me. so here goes. Anthony | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 02-2006 |
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Kingman Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Anthony, I've read many sensational stories of underground bases shared with aliens who are overseeing the US Gov. and stories of tubes filled with liquids that are growing clones or more aliens, or the alien abductions, cattle mutilations, etc. The more you look into the resources the more it gets unverifiable and downright unbelievable. A famous rocket scientist we recruited from the German's after WWII stated military leaders/industry would use terrorism as the next " bad guy " to protect us from after the cold war ended. Then once this runs it's course they will use the invading Extraterrestrial as the next "boogey man". All these stories are the seeds of fear they are planting to convince the public they need to be protected from this next enemy. Researching into these false stories shows the dead ends are everywhere. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 157 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Anthony, I just viewed the movie of Philip Schneider. If he really thinks that it is true what he says he's suffering from a serious case of schizophrenia. You can forget all those nonsense stories of reptilians, underground battles, etc. All of this is just crazy and untrue stuff. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 880 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mark G.... Well, of course, the Electron may be known today, by today's scientists as being a 'Negative' component, but it does not per se have to mean: Negative as in the sense of it being...Negative! Thus: of course, it Delivers...Energy...in a Positive sense! As you may know from the Teachings: that from anything Negative....a Positive can arise/be generated, here form. After all: the Duality, of the both is what matters, in the/it's WHOLE. But in any cause: no matter which component One utilizes: the(y) both (individually) "Deliver The Goods", so to speak. One should SEE it in a much more Broader Sense! Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hello everybody, I have written a poem on Billy(and a bit on Jmmanuel), please tell me how it is, and should i change. PS: Its not complete, i'm still working on it, and also have exams so am a little busy. You may find some information wrong, but i tried my level best. I promise you that. HERE IT IS PART I Then came the first man on earth, some say covered in dirt. Knew him all of Creations deeds, to spread it, was his mission, he began to proceed. Love and Truth was his whole being, Agression and frustration out of his gene. He came upon another man and told him what Creation was, the other man didn't understand, and told him, "You are against GOD". "Our GOD is our Lord, the creator himself, he made us into what we are, he made us himself". "You think now that you have frills", and marched on to his cathedral. PART II He waited till the man went by, and said "that's just one for more let's try". He went to Town Hall and proclaimed, "Creation loves you all, you should do the same". "Get out of our way you Atheist fool, don't give us that rubbish, don't give us that coo". "You don't deserve to live in this world it is GOD's will", so they nailed him up to the cross, and they THOUGHT he died of his will. PART III Then it was like a gift from "heaven", he was born and his birth on seven. His childhood was like any child's till the age of five, and after that things seemed to change, his head became alive. They sent him signals everyday that soon they would be coming, he grew more calmer everyday, as if this had been happening. On his seventh birthday the same voice said, "Come out Eduard, its time to be met". Young Eduard went into the forest not knowing what will be next, he saw a big golden pear, a man came out of it, took his hand and lead. The man lead Eduard into his ship, a device was put on his head, "try to remember your past, this machine will do the rest". Now he knew who he was in his previous lives, he knew he had seen these people before many-a-times. Wonder was in Eduard's mind, he could now guess his path, "I'm here to give you a start, just call me SFATH".... To be continued..... if you liked it. Salome Aditya Sonakia | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 546 Registered: 06-2000 |
Dear Aditya ; I like it . Keep at it ! Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hello everyboby, So here is the rest of what i have written... PART IV Sfath taught him a little about Spirituality, he also taught him about what his mission was to be. All this information was too much for Eduard so he left school, instead every morning he went into the jungle's bloom. Everyday he would sit under a tree and concentrate, things would come rushing to his head as he would meditate. This went on for 9 years, Eduard became 16, 7, is the sum of 9,1 and 6 at which his birth had been. PART V On his sixteenth birthday Sfath's voice was gone, instead came another voice which said, "I will take you on". "Your mission is fragile, it is like a glass in a basket, I come from the Timmers, I am ASKET". Eduard was now a young man ready to face the world, as soon as he stepped into life's courses it sent him in a twirl. Eduard was in asylums, he joined the Foreign Legion, his life was tough, he knew it well, he was blamed for all the wrong reasons. But in the darkness of his mind there was always light, it was that of Asket's voice which always gave him delight. PART VI Once Asket took him to Egypt to see the Pyramids, but what he did not know was, that they would go under its bricks. Eduard was now going to see an enemy group's wrath, they wanted to take over the earth, they were the BAFATH. After knowing all these things, his mission motive became higher, then after 'Billy the Kid', Eduard became 'BILLY' EDUARD ALBERT MEIER. Time went on and Asket left, her work on earth was done, Billy had learnt so much from her, but still much was to be done. "We leave you now for 11 years, go get settled down, have a wife, have children, spend time in and out". PART VII Then after 11 years in 1975, a light was glowing in the sky, Billy knew it was time. From the ship a lady came out,She was as beautiful as could be, "Your mission will continue with me, call me SEMJASE"...... To be continued... After september i'll resume writing. How is it till now?? Salome Aditya | ||
462 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi again! regaring my previous topic. I familiour to americas way of winning there power through so called fear. But I dont know anymore, these tails could be true they could be lie. But the imoprtance in this I think is that we need to stand up for our goverment all goverments. We need to take the power back to the people through democracy and truth. I dont want any more goverment coverups or teltales. As a majority we are strong. People are people and need to hear the real truth. Because thats how we evolve and grow as a civilazation. We are falling down a slippry slope and I dont want to be a part of it. I wanna some truthful answeres and some good politics no lies and for us to take care of the good things we have one earth. To simply take the greatest thing we have done and let them be ground for a global politic system. another one of those derailing posts. But honestly whats up with the american goverment. I know somethings not right and I feel it?!? Anthony | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi Anthony, You are very right when you say we should stand up for our governments, but in our hurry we must not do something foolish. I know how you feel. But we must be patient and must wait. Remeber what the Laws of Creation says, "Harm only in self-defence" that is, only attack when you are being attacked. Regards Salome Aditya | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 268 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Vestri, Took the Belief-O-Matic test you mentioned in an earlier post(147), thank you for sharing it. It was an interesting idea although more about religion than spirituality and far reaching belief. It is astounding that we often try to comparmentalize everything yet shy away from the bigger picture. All of the answers are types of religions rather than common, broad sweeping and clouded spiritual beliefs such as narcisism, materialism, egoism or meglomania... which... in the long run are: ubiquitous, far reaching and detremental to many more people in their deleterious or hurtful effects. It would be nice if the web site was accurate as to a persons' true thoughts... too many vauge questions... inconducive to an accurate representation. It is interesting... although not really important to see what others... such as the writers of that website... think. Gearing it more towards what has been revealed to us by the Plejaren would be a very interesting site indeed! Thank you again for sharing it. RArena | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1305 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, In the recent prophesies released by FIGU of Jeremiah it was stated in the future people will live as true humans. I have thought about this, and I wonder what does that mean, or how do we understand what it means to be human. Looking around in the cities, towns villages where we reside, it seems people can be somewhat friendly and united when the situation demands even in times of war when soldiers unite against a common foe, but at other times we can be as cold and heartless as the desert sun.. What is causing this distance between us humans? We all get up in the morning, share similar ideas, feelings emotions and all of the strains of modern day life along with everything else to varying degrees. Yet, many of us can’t even greet our neighbors in the morning or on the street, without feeling like we maybe imposing on them or that they may take our being friendly as an act of aggression or may misinterpret our curiosity in knowing who they are. All of us are heading in the same direction with regards to our spiritual consciousness development, yet we all act like we are on separate planets. We seem to live in a world of illusion where our fears and lack of awareness of who we are is keeping us from truly connecting with each other. Why are we destroying what could be beneficial to us all, and learn to live as a group with each person being as important and worthwhile as the next. We are created from the same source, our bodies are comprised of the same organs, we all live and die, yet we act like we are so different from each other, but that is only a man made idea, which has no real basis in reality. What has caused this basic mistrust amongst people of this planet…why are we always fighting against each other, what is this barrier which continues to rise up within man, which prevents him from connecting with his fellow human?? We retreat into our homes at night, seeking the tranquility and peace of the night and withdraw into our dream worlds, until the sun arises the next day, with its demand for our attention and efforts to exist…something has to change, we must change, we must come together, if we want to continue we must unite as a species and learn to live in harmony with the heavens and each other Salome Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 06-2000 |
Thanks Scott for putting truth into words as you have done . Especially meaningful for me , since I have experienced exactly the same as you have described today in my city . I put it into context very quickly , that of course , any various person who was unfriendly or indifferent to me might have some hard realities to face in their lives and they just can't be friendly , and maybe their lives force them to be friendly to too many people , such as a sales or service position . It's never about me , but sometimes when I've cleared my mind , I can be a part of someone else's good day , and I might make a difference to them . There might be some kind of prejudice or judgement that causes a negative reaction or indifference , but I like to remember to be balanced and neutral when I'm about town , and not be dependent of the attention or acceptance of others . Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear List, Scott and Mark bring up wonderful points... Taking each other as equals, rather than out doing or showing how much better we are over another is key. The piedly little ego, inflated self importance and constant complaining are a reason we fight... rather than love... one another. My grandmother... ninety four years old recently broke her neck (a Denn's fracture type two) and after three weeks is up and walking again! She went from a frail skeleton to a vibrant pink-skinned, joking, smiling woman... To me, this woman is very close, more like a mother than a grandmother. It was inspirational to see her transformation. It taught me that my problems were very small, comparativly... If she can do this... I can do my life too. During the dark first hours... she was black and blue and quite swollen from the fall... a six hour ordeal from fall to discovery by paramedics... My first thought was to rub my hands together creating friction and heating them... the ICU was very cold. I placed the upper part of my palms on either side of her face, the heat energy radiating into the area near her colliculus superior which Billy says contains the spark of creation; enlivening every cell of her body. She opened her eyes and there was a transfer of love and information in that stare. She knew she was important to me and I knew I was important to her... Her mother died in the American Influenza outbreak of 1920 when she was seven. She then had to take care of her six brothers and sister. She knew the importance of the mother... and could be the reason she has held on so long. We have to transfer energy to one another. In the previous example it was heat energy, coarse matter energy... although fine matter IS energy so... it was the link between the two. What we focus on grows: A small irritation becomes a disagreement... which becomes an argument... and eventually, on a country-wide level... progressivly leads to and becomes, a war. So by focusing on the positive, being positive to neutral... we do not focus on what we DON'T want, which will of course GROW if we focus on it. So... instead... focus on what you DO want... World Peace for example... it starts with you. Being human means taking care of each other, not killing one another. Where in the twelve commandments does it say anything about killing being okay? Peace, love and spiritual energy to you who read this... | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Rarena, yes I agree with you that Belief-O-Matic test being more about religion than spirituality, and as such is not really suited for testing people's spiritual beliefs here. It was a mistake posting that link before I had taken/completed the test. If I did, I wouldn't have posted it. oh well | ||
Trevor Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello, I thought I'd post a few links to these very interesting video's about the USA Blackwater private security firm. Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7685563034025391370 BLACKWATER: Bush's Shadow Mercenary Army Blackwater in New Orleans - "A Mercenary Army" June 2, 2006 By ALAN MAASS MAASS: WHAT IS Blackwater USA? Scahill: BLACKWATER USA is the most rapidly growing and, arguably, the most successful mercenary firm in the world today. Blackwater started in the late 1990s as a firm that was going to train law enforcement, and supplement the work of the U.S. military. When the Bush administration took power and then September 11 happened, the company absolutely exploded--and turned into an all-out mercenary firm. And that really began a massive war profiteering and disaster profiteering boom for Blackwater--not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but here at home as well. Why is the United States of America using mercenaries to fight its wars in the Middle East? How did Blackwater and other "private security" firms rise to a position of seeming respectability and wealth? Exactly what is the value of these entities to Bush and the neoconservatives who have shaped his administration? Bush's Shadow Army http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070402/scahill PART 2 Bush's Shadow Army - Blackwater Rising http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070402/scahill/2 PART 3 Bush's Shadow Army http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070402/scahill/3 PART 4 Bush's Shadow Army - A Killing on Christmas Eve http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070402/scahill/4 | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 552 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Randy ; It could be a smile , a touch or a kind word , all simple gestures that have feeling , which is how we really measure our lives . That's amazing and really good to hear that your grandmother has such rich self resources to heal , as well as your love and care . Much continued good health to her . Salome ,Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Baselineplayer New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2007 |
It was interesting with the discussion about the Russian "father of all bombs" here above. I am well aware about what is going on in Russia and its neighbours. What would be interesting to get solved are the events which happened in 1999 when Russia again invaded Chechnya on the reasons to crack down on terrorists. Before the 2nd invasion, there was some bombings of living houses in Russia which claimed many peoples lives, and the spark which finally started the war again was a failed attempt by a renegade warlord to start an Islamist uprising in neighbouring Daghestan. There are many people who claims that the bombings of apartment houses was made by people paid by people inside the "Siloviki" circles, and that the renegade Chechen warlord was convinced to start his Islamist uprising in Daghestan by people paid by the same secretive circles among the "siloviki". The term "siloviki" is Russian and designates people who are within the Russian power structures around the government, with a background from the former KGB. In the past, these secret service people was called "chekisti" from the abbreviation of the first Soviet secret police called "cheka". The methods described above is not only used by Russia, but by many countries and organisations during the history. The main reason to use such methods is purely to create a reason to start a war. This is a bit of a long throwing of an arrow, but I think this is a good thing to be discussed anyway. Also, so far, I do not really know where this post belongs to but I beg your pardon if it is posted wrongly. Bästa hälsningar/Beste grüssen/Best regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 02-2006 |
My reply to few comments about me posting that Mother Teresa image in the translation section. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/3549.html?1190727391 1 "I personally cannot see what is to be gained by posting such a photo....We are not here to judge and mock and ridicule others -- we are here recognise the truth, and behave according to creational law, or have I missed something? Making fun of someone in this manner is in my opinion inappropriate for a forum such as this." 2 "Why display someone in a false image?" 3 "Hi Scott, Robijna and Socrates.... I fully agree with you all!" My intention behind wanting to post that MT image was not to ridicule and try to make fun of MT, but as a form of showing that many other people know what MT was really all about, by showing a popular image of MT that is getting round the net. Vestri- There is a new translation at gaiaguys about mother teressa As I know from you and from various terrestrial sources, she was a child-robber who stole children from many Indian mothers and sold them for a lot of money to childless foreigners. - Billy http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p89teresa.htm "Many others know of Mother terresa too. I read about it last year at some other website and is where i got this edited picture of terresa from." Scott - Picture deleted, Vestri I pulled this picture before...... Then my intention changed after that to trying to find out what the big deal was why that image was not allowed to be posted for, and not coz I just wanted to ridicule her. Vestri - "It is no different to someone posting an image of GW Bush with a Hitler mustache for example. Why are we allowed to post something like that (or anyone else) and not of MT?? It makes no sense to me in relation to what you said there about creation. As I said, I see no big deal with it. As I said, I see no big deal with it. I will post that image again in case you decide to change your mind and allow it to go through." | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 02-2006 |
While on topic of images of famous people, here is one of GW Bush that has NOT been altered in any way. Some people probably already know of it. Thats what the US President really done to the TV camera just before he went on air one day. Vestri, I didn't notice this image when you submitted this post into the queue. As I mentioned to Indi, I would do my best to stop these type of images and will continue to do so. If you want to post these type of pictures, please don't do it on this forum. I don't understand why you keep pushing this issue?? Scott-Forum Moderator | ||
Socrates Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2007 |
I acknowledge the symbolism of the picture, however the symbolism is not entirely truthful. A more accurate depiction would be of MT snatching Indian babies and by seeing this it would deliver a truthful message to the viewer. Although she fits in the category of "criminal" for her actions that does not mean she smokes, wields a black eye, and etc. Peace by love, Neal P.S. why did you post this here? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 388 Registered: 03-2004 |
I agree with Vestri on only one point, and that is that either everyone should be allowed to post their photos, even if controversial, or noone should. It seems logical to have equal treatment. For my part, I wasn't aware, or at least didn't remember, that other such photos had been posted though. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1312 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thomas/Socrates, As I said there have been images in the past which have appeared on the forum which in hindsight shouldn't have been posted, in my opinion. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6536.html?1157430636#POST22644 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 390 Registered: 03-2004 |
Fair enough Scott :-) | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Vestri, I didn't notice this image when you submitted this post into the queue. As I mentioned to Indi, I would do my best to stop these type of images and will continue to do so. If you want to post these type of pictures, please don't do it on this forum. I don't understand why you keep pushing this issue??" Fair enough too Scott. The problem is I didn't know where the line is drawn with whats acceptable or not with images. Hence was reason why I questioning it. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Bush to grant himself and entire administration immunity from any (war) crimes." Bush makes his own laws! 3 minute CNN news clip - must see! http://www.youtube.com/v/wBUkxvfL_eE The senator being interviewed says it is a disgrace! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 904 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kaare.... Will post here, OK. Did you know that Mr. Stoiber had to step down from position as MP? He got himself mixed in a Scandal, concerning him noising around in the private life of one of his OWN party members! Thus, he was forced out of his office, and it has just been seated by someone named Mr. Huber. Thus, Mr. Stoiber is no longer MP as well as the Beieren leadership of the CSU, anymore. I watched his last speech at the CSU conference, and he did try to think of all sorts of excuses for his actions. But of course, many party members disapproved with that. So, Mr. Stoiber does not have a high position profession at this moment. And the Scandal will follow him wherever he goes, from now on! Never did liked his - Sneaky - facial expression! Reminded me much of Mr. Bush Senior! Edward. | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2007 |
Vestri: Concerning what Bush wants to do, I can recall the scandals around Richard Nixon, the Watergate scandal. It is really right on time for an impeachment, I think. At the end, another question which I put here tonight, concerning when casting votes at an election: What is the best thing to do? Is it best to vote "against all" if no clean and fair people are available as candidates? Or vote in a more pragmatic way for the party which does the least damage for people? Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 161 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Vestri......What is the best thing to do? Is it best to vote "against all" if no clean and fair people are available as candidates...." Hi Baselineplayer, I don't know and can't tell you what the best way is to vote because I am an Australian and not an American. Also i think the President of the US to an extent is always a bit of a puppet on strings - CIA. But as the P's made clear, GW Bush is world's most dangerous. So the US President does have a say in what happens. I think the best thing for all nations peoples to do is voice their awareness and anger at the corruption in all their mainstream media outlets. I think that would be one of the first things that would significantly help straighten out governmental corruption. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Edward, Thanks for your update. Regards Kaare | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Vestri, Materialism has to go but it will take a total economic breakdown to begin. We can just not vote yet that sort of wastes the democratic process. Not that voting has any power as was told in Book 6 Contact 230 page 85-89. It is interesting read it. It is on Dysons' site. Here is a map of the recent rash of Australian Earthquakes, there is no possiblity of a Tsunami being generated at this time from the 7.3 (red) in the south which happened today (my time). Vestri, you can check for Tsunami warnings here:http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/ Randy  | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Rarena, I'm not really sure why you are telling me about earthquakes/Tsunamis around Australia for? I guess its coz of economic breakdown. I think the only Australian major city on the east coast that is exposed to Tsunami's is Brisbane. The Great Barrier Reef stretching over 2000 miles on the entire coast of Queensland is also added protection. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Vestri, Just an extrodinarily high number of them lately... wanted you and others on your continent to be aware and to be safe... FYI. Salome... | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2007 |
Quote: "Hi Baselineplayer, I don't know and can't tell you what the best way is to vote because I am an Australian and not an American......." Many thanks for the answer, Vestri Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Rarena, I didn't notice that chart was the number of earthquakes that happened in just ONE day. Your right, that is a heck of a lot of earthquakes! | ||
Karlsult New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi, I apologize if this is not the right place for my post. I know that it is important to spread Billy Meier's information throughout the world. I had success using myspace.com So my suggestion is that people create a myspace profile page. I have about 95 friends. See my page maybe for ideas: www.myspace.com/noadware Bye Karl http://www.deletespyware-adware.com/ | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Randy In your earlier post to Vestri "Materialism has to go but it will take a total economic breakdown to begin." I was just wondering isn't it the other way around? Like economic breakdown will be permanent only when there is no materialism. Thanking You ashwin PS - what do you get from a cow after an earthquake ............. MILKSHAKE | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 907 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Vestri.... It is indeed very amazing HOW MANY Tremors and Quakes occur every day! Mother Earth, is Alive and Kicking! We here, in the Netherlands are even having more and more Tremors than usual! What is the case: CAUSED by the constant GAS pumping done in the Ocean as well as on the grounds. And so it seems, the Gas cavities are 'Collapsing' and generates the Tremors and (small)Quakes...which will than lead to even more disastrous manifestations, because this will indeed Effect the other layers/ plates and so forth! And the Gas companies DENY such is the case, and related! Can you imagine!? Filling their pockets is more important than making the Truth known....to the People! I live way inland, and we have never had Tremors before: but the last couple of decades it has all come into reality, due to, amongst others....the above mentioned! Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1324 Registered: 12-1999 |
Mother Theresa in the news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20071006/wl_time/motherteresaandthekidneystone | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 05-2007 |
"Artificial Life Form" created http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2007/10/artificial_life_again.html | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 07-2007 |
SCOTT IS DOING GREAT WORK He is all by himself, and posting all our messages. THANK YOU, SCOTT  Salome Aditya | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1328 Registered: 12-1999 |
Your Welcome Aditya, I just wish I had more time to devote to the forum Salome Scott | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 02-2006 |
Just bringing this over from the translation section. It is in reference to the corrupt legal problem gaiaguys are having with the Freemasons in Oz and are now facing long prison terms. Our countries leader(s) here in OZ is a master mason, the same as in the UK and US. eg - Half of US Congress are masons. They masons are (partially) in control. Dear Vestri Yes, i read it. It is a stark reminder of how bad the state of things are here on Earth. Let us hope they come out of this problem soon. Salome ashwin -------------------------------------------------- Ptaah 61. Also it often happens that the questions were not purpose-directed enough, consequently negative or denying answers were given for them. 62. But we were always honest and never told an untruth, even if we sometimes talk around this, something you are indeed also a master of. Billy: You mean by that that you have often simply beaten around the bush! Ptaah: That is the sense of my words. -------------------------------------------------- Michael_d [Posted during March 2007] Greetings Billy, Regarding Secret Societies and their negative influence on mankind and the planet, you stated there are secret societies which are entirely harmless. Do you consider such Secret Societies as the Illuminati, the New World Order and Freemasonry harmless? Thank you. Answer The Freemansons as sort of a religious community are harmless, as is also the case with the Illuminati, a group of people who are spreading silly conspiration theories. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Vestri Are you saying that the Freemasons apart from a religious community, are dangerous people ? Salome ashwin | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 177 Registered: 02-2006 |
with so many high ranking Freemasons in political governments around the world, the Freemasons are also a secret world political government/community too, or thats what they should be called. To think they have no say or control in politics is absurd. So therefore they should be held in part responsible for the problems/corruption of the world governments today/yesterday. Why didn't Billy just say the Freemansons are harmless but chose to say that? At the lower freemasonic degrees/levels it is a religous community, but at the higher ones its not. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 324 Registered: 04-2006 |
I think Billy wanted to express that this illuminati-freemasons thing was way too overhyped.They do not control world economy nor do they control world politics. As sects, their teachings, their material is so absurd that they hardly gain new members.Their dissolution as a sect will not take too long.The problem with these is that the sooner a sect disappears the sooner another sect is being created in another place of the world. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 02-2006 |
Either way, the Freemasons are not harmless. They order assasinations, corruptions, ect. They have infested themselves in world government positions and they are surely in part responsible for past/present Governmental corruptions. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 05-2007 |
What type of teachings do Masons follow. What do they beleive in. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Dave, Gaiaguys.net is a good starting off point to find out about the teachings of Masons. Firstly you can't just join them, you can but they have to choose you. And in your joining ceremony you swear to accept death before revealing any of their secrets to anyone, such as someone was forcing to shoot you unless you told them. So its not just religous mason teachings/secrets in question here. I think one of the most important things to consider is that there are 33 levels of secrets teachings. And each one's secrets are only revealed as members go into it. Thats the cruncher. This is a system that is perfectly setup for corrupt people who can keep secrets, and not for any goodie two shoes. (Scott, not that i said that it was ) Any any high ranking people can be trusted not to squeal because they themselves are corrupt to get to that level, and be sqealing on themselves. Look on Google video for JFK's speech on secret societies - Freemasons. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 03-2007 |
“The Freemasons as sort of a religious community are harmless, as is also the case with the Illuminati, a group of people who are spreading silly conspiration theories.” For a man who is so exact in his words as Billy is, one can’t help but wonder if there is a sub-text being conveyed. Shortly before I moved from Los Angeles, I visited the Masonic museum on Wilshire Boulevard. Its’ official name is The American Heritage Masonic Museum and purports to tell the story of the Freemasons and their impact on American history. Five dollars will get you in and a peek behind the curtain. http://freemasonrywatch.org/la_museum.html In addition to the many displays of masonic accouterment and paraphernalia, is a gallery of both photographs and portraits of US Presidents who were freemasons. Some even shown wearing their masonic apron. And for some bizarre reason, there was a life-size statue of George W. Bush. I kid you not. Vice-presidents, cabinet members, governors, senators and congressman were equally represented. It is hard to deny the masonic influence on American politics when all the evidence is compiled right there in front of you. And it is hard to dismiss the prophetic writings of Albert Pike. But has the significance of the masons been replaced by a more relevant structure much like the horse buggy has been replaced by the modern automobile? Perhaps both the masons and the Illuminati are by now just another cog in the wheel of the CIA. And perhaps their influence is now kept up for appearance sake as a red herring - a decoy. Just speculation on my part but it would explain a lot. In the limited amount of time I have been studying the Meier material, I have come to trust the method in how he packages information. In Die Art zu Leben it says, “The world's events are dependent upon thoughts.” And in Contact 374, Billy explains that the endless graphic rehashing of the Holocaust is counterproductive and incites neo-Nazis. And in another contact he explains how violence in movies and TV fosters even more violence. In other words, if you feed the beast, the beast will grow. Be it the bogeyman or the Illuminati. Perhaps Billy’s sub-text is that all power over another is an illusion. Regards Bob | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 918 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... I think myself, that when Billy said that they are 'harmless', I would guess the majority of members, and that the Masons are some kind of club, if you will, with its first intentions not per se focused on Power, so to speak(but, indirectly). But, I do agree: they do have Power (high)positions in Politics...etc...; just like here in the Netherlands. They are mostly of an 'elite' kind. The Masons are of a Hierarchy kind, which can still be very Dangerous, more or less. And in a Hierarchy, there is always a leader above a leader...etc...and the TOP leader or Leaders, are in most cases not known. Thus, it is, indirectly sort of Maffia oriented. Billy did mentioned that there can be 'elements' which can Enhance their Power Structure into a format which can indeed, be very Dangerous! But, these are 'loose' elements, just as the so-called 'P2' tried to do to the Masons. P2, is a sort of Maffia orientated group of individuals that wished to utilize the Masons for their own advantage, via all sorts of Criminal advances. P2 was never an official branch of the Masons, but Outsiders...'infiltrating' the Masons to gain Power. The last news was that the Masons organizations had banned all P2 like mined individuals, and are now P2-less.* But still, today, One must still be Cautious with the Masons. Anything is STILL possible with them. So, it is better to see/keep them as a Baby Cub...than a full grown Adult Bear! If we see them as a Full Grown Adult Bear, surly...they WILL become that! i.e.: via Demonizing, they truly have become the Demons, we make them to be! *P2 - connected to the liquidation of the so-called Vatican Money Laundry Murder, from a bridge, some decades ago...amongst others. Edward. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 02-2006 |
The bulk of Freemason members are all in the bottom bottom levels and will never get a chance to move any higher then a few levels. To them Freemasonry IS nothing more then a religous community, and they are oblivious to whats going on above them. GW Bush is more concerned with his "Skull n Bones" sect which he is a member of, then in Freemasonry. It consists of a handfull of extremely powerful men, and Billy says it is the (worlds?) most powerful secret sect. The other members in S&B are probably also all high ranking Freemason members like Bush is. I wouldn't be surprised if S&B is the Hierarchy of Freemasonry, but thats just my guess. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2006 |
er that was a "wild" guess about possible connection between S&B and Freemasonry, if there is one, and probably not true. However I wonder if Billy meant that S&B is world's most powerful "secret sect" or just the US's. I think he meant only in the US because I can't see a handful of powerful men like S&B being more powerful then tens of thousands of powerful political men like the Freemasons. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 02-2006 |
I accidently wrote ten of thousands freemasons instead of thousands. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 02-2006 |
Sorry to be posting 'again' but I just realized i didn't answer Dave's question he asked on what type of religion the Freemason teach or follow. Also no-one else since the time he asked it, has bothered to answer it too. Dave there is no particular religion to Freemasonry. It doesn't have one. It is a mixture of all religions. Joining members (and long term ones) are allowed to bring or follow any religion into Freemasonry. All Freemasonry asks is as long as they have a few principles in place and follow a few guidelines, thats it. This will be the last post I post on Freemasonry because I'm not the only one here that knows about Freemasonry, and don't want to be a hog and will let others talk. (I only know the basics of Freemasonry) | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 05-2007 |
Putin's final 'dialogue' with Russians? http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1019/p07s01-woeu.html | ||
J_rod7 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2007 |
It is known that a people called the KALOO wandered the earth as teachers. The KALOO were scientists and priests who survived the fall of Atlantis. They taught the Essenes spiritual knowledge, which was then taught to Jmmanuel. The KALOO also taught among the Egyptions, Tibetian mystics, and the Pythagoreans of Greece. I am wondering if any of the KALOO are still walking the earth among us today; any feedback?} | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 928 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi J_Rod.... Welcome to the FIGU board. I have no further knowledge of the - KALOO - and related, but I just want to comment on: They taught the Essenes spiritual knowledge, which was then taught to Jmmanuel. Perhaps they may have taught the Essenes their knowledge, but...as far as I know, they(Essenes) had never taught Jmmanuel! In the contrary: Jmmanuel, did not want anything to do with the Essenes! They too, like many, were of Cult Religious in nature, which Jmmanuel truly disgusted. Jmmanuel, did not want his/the Creational Spiritual Teachings, 'Woven' into their False Cult Religious Dogmas. And as soon as Jmmanuel had the possibility to flee from: he did so! Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1338 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello J_rod7, There is a product line of Toys called the Kaloo?? Where did you hear about these "people"? As Edward said, Jmmanuel distanced himself from the Essenes. Since you know about Jmmanuel, I would assume you have read the Talmud of Jmmanuel, which would indicate to me you would know about the Essenes?? Perhaps you would care to share with us how you have come to this conclusion. Thank you Scott | ||
J_rod7 New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings with Love and Gratitude, Scott, in answer to your question:=20 " ...the Kaloo?? Where did you hear about these "people"?...=20 Perhaps you would care to share with us how you have come = to this conclusion. " My current knowledge of the KALOO comes to me from several sources, = the most comprehensive discussion of the KALOO is found in the book = entitled: The Essenes, Children of the Light , ( Part II, pages 26 -32 = ), by authors: Stuart Wilson and Joanna Prentis. This book is available = from Ozark Mountain ( Publishers ) at: www.ozarkmt.com , P.O. Box 754, = Huntsville, AR 72740, 1-800-935-0045. This book is highly recommended to = anyone interested in their own spiritual growth, for its' insights and = wisdom, and I do suggest that you read the entire book for proper = context. Additionally, I also recommend this book: Jesus and The Essenes , by = author: Dolores Cannon; from the same publisher ( above ). In response to Edward: " Perhaps they [KALOO] may have taught the Essenes their = knowledge, but...as far as I=20 know, they (Essenes) had never taught Jmmanuel! In the = contrary: Jmmanuel,=20 did not want anything to do with the Essenes! They too, = like many, were of Cult=20 Religious in nature, which Jmmanuel truly disgusted. " Let me only say to you: beware of letting yourself fall into a cult = mind-set. As I read The Talumd of Jmmanuel , I am grateful that the = knowledge of reincarnation is restored to the people of Earth. However, = I question what may be the authors intent when where it states "But = Jmmanual was afraid..." (TJ 35:14). Since Jmmanual came to teach the new = Law of Love =3D Love of the Creation for all life; that our = responsibility once we know this Law, is to Love one another without = prejudice or judjement; that Love is the fundemental basis of all = creation; and that where there is Love there can be no fear.=20 If you are a seeker of Truth, a gleaner of Wisdom, and consider your = path to be one of Spiritual Growth, as I do, then you must be aware that = Truth may be found as nuggets where you may least expect. Truth will = have a resonance and bring you light when it is found. UN-Truth will = have a dull thunk ( no resonance ) in the heart. Wisdom is to = incorporate Truth into your life, to be shared with others who may be = receptive, and will cause the soul to become brighter. I will recommend, = for further reading, the book: Galactic Alignment, The Transformation of = Consciousness , by author: John Major Jenkins, published at Bear & = Company. I also recommend studying the prolific writings of David = Wilcock at www.DivineCosmos.com , he has a number of free books for = download available on his website. Peace and light, J-rod Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Rod This has turned into a really long post. I apologise now. As others have mentioned, the Essenes were not a positive part of Jmmanuel's life as also you would have read in Chapter 35 of the TJ. If you have not read it, I suggest you do, as then you will see that the information there does not agree with the information contained in the books you directed us to in your last post. This forum is one designed for the discussion of the Plejaren and all associated with them, and with the teachings that Billy Meier has given to us in his extensive writings. Even though you have found your way here, does not mean that we will be able to discuss with you areas that you have studied. And as is found often, it is highly likely that some things that we have come to accept as likely to be true will contradict things you have come to accept as truth on your journey. Be that as it may, it is still nice to have you here, and hopefully we can all gain from your visit. There may be some who will be able to discuss things that you have studied as the forum is inhabited by a varied population, with many different backgrounds and knowledge bases. I cannot speak for them, so will only give my opinion. Re the Kaloo, I have never come across that name in the thousands of pages and many names in Billy’s writings. However, on your mention of it, and from your references, I was able to find one of the books you mentioned, and read it, or most of it. It was the one called ‘Jesus and the Essenes’. I also read some of what was available on Amazon about the other one you mentioned. What I discovered about the kaloo from the first book mentioned, I was able to compare to my existing knowledge of the past – the history of this planet – Atlantis etc...., from my current studies of the Meier material. And I must say that Billy has covered this extensively, and specifically. This forum has many references to those aspects of our history if you do a search through the archives. As you know, but others may not, the information contained within those books you suggested we look at, is gleaned from hypnotic regressions, aimed at uncovering past life information and experiences. I do have some personal experience in the area of hypnotic regression as a professional, and 17 years ago, was very keen to explore the possibilities of past life regressions – and did. Unfortunately, I was disappointed, after having read many books on this topic, and found that even though the subjects were achieving what appeared to be past life memories, and were able to recount them to me, and I recorded some of them – it became clear to me at some point that there was something wrong with the whole procedure. I don’t want to dwell on it here and now, but I formed the conclusion that it was not something that I wanted to do any more. I did get some startling information/results though, but there was no way for me to verify it as being past life material belonging to these subjects at all. It opened up Pandoras box for me I have to add, which eventually has led me to here and Billy’s teachings. For that I must be grateful. The book I read about Jesus and the Essenes, or should I say ‘Yeshua’ was interesting from a comparison angle, in that there were some things mentioned by the hypnotised subject that could be correlated with certain aspects of Billy’s teachings, and many that were reeking of Christian and NewAge Christian beliefs. It seemed that the author had a good working knowledge of the Essenes, based on non mainstream sources, using books like the Aquarian Gospel of...... as the guiding accepted truth, thus forming the conclusion that what this girl was saying must be true as well. I would have to say that this is not sound logical reasoning. The story of the 4 stars of Bethlehem and the Magi and the date of October as being the birth time, doesn’t fit with the history of Jmmanuel that we have available to us here. The lack of mention of the name Jmmanuel, instead Yeshua and Messiah being used, the fact that he supposedly did die on the cross, that he was trained extensively by the Essenes, that Jesus’ spirit was the same one that was in Adam, and Moses, and the Elias returned as John the Baptist – the constant mention of Yaweh and God and that God is all and all is god --- all these and more mentioned in the book, do not fit with the renewed teachings that Billy has brought and that we are studying. There are just too many differences for me to mention here without boring everyone – the account fits too closely that compiled a hundred years or so after Jmmanuel had left the area and gone to the East, which then became known as Christianity. I have done enough study of this topic to know that there is something rotten smelling in the whole story of Jesus that we have been fed all this time – and it seemed to me that the author and the subject had fallen for the same story. Do you really think that ‘Katie’, just happened to find this hypnotherapist, who had an interest in that topic, and just happened to turn out to have been the Essene teacher of Jesus and John the Baptist? My Logic radar was kept busy with the whole scenario I am afraid. That is also what happened to me when I was doing these regressions myself – I just knew it was not valid somewhere deep in my inner being. However, on a more positive note, the Kaloo description was interesting in that what was described was that they had lived in Atlantis, and survived some war or cataclysm and some left and some had stayed, and handed down their surviving knowledge. There was a description of them as THE WATCHERS – that they were not human but were able to take on the human form – the implication was that they were light beings or something like that – and there was mention that they came back to help although didn’t have to – and had progressed to levels that no longer needed a physical body. Even though it does not fit exactly, there are elements that do fit with some of Billy’s teachings although the accuracy is not the same, the story has a similarity to the level called Arahat Athersata that is described by Billy as the first pure spirit level in human evolution (out of 7), the spirits no longer requiring a body or material consciousness. This is the level that Billy’s spirit had attained (took about 70 billion years to get there) – and he came back from this level to bring the message of the truth to us wayward young spirits. There are 7 levels of evolution within this 1st pure spirit plane, and in a way you could say that their job/role is as guardians or watchers of all of Creation’s creations. So there is some similarity as I said. I am not saying that I think these kaloo are these spirit forms from Arahat Athersata, but there is a similarity that has to be noted. I hope my post has not been too long and convoluted – the point to it was really to acknowledge your post, in the hope that your intention by posing the questions was coming from a good place. I did my best to find out about what you had mentioned – it was actually an interesting diversion for me as I have been translating too much lately and needed some relief of this kind – so I enjoyed the excursion. Thankyou for that. I don’t think we here are cult-minded (I hope I can speak for others here), rather we are serious students of the Billy Meier Material – because we have found that there is so much evidence that supports so many aspects – and we are aiming to discover its validity the more we study it. Alot of it cannot be verified by us, as students, but what can be verified, is putting into action the spiritual teachings, and finding out for ourselves. What you have been studying may be offering similar truths and lessons, and I hope so for your sake – because my personal opinion is that what I am studying now is as close to the truth that I could hope to find. I have yet to be shown that I am wrong. In peace Robjna | ||
J_rod7 New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings Robjna ( Indi ), You have stated: " I do have some personal experience in the area of hypnotic regression as a professional, and 17 years ago, was very keen to explore the possibilities of past life regressions " Also, I myself, have been through past life regressions, and also Remote-Viewing and Psychometry training, some 28 years ago. I have a journal of my past life recalls, which I will only share with close members of my family. These were NOT guided recalls, nor dreams, and in some of the life experiences I was able to verify certain places - events - and people of which I had no prior knowledge. I do not have to prove anything to anyone, but I learned some important lessons from these recalls that enhanced my personal spiritual growth in this current incarnation. In all my studies where I find resonant Truth, many times it may be enshrouded by someone's personal EGO or opinion. But I have also learned not to "throw out the baby with the bathwater." And, I should add, I continue to remain open-minded, reachable and teachable ( which would be good if more people were, also ). And, yes, I have read the TJ, and also " And Still They Fly " by Guido Moosbrugger, and have also kept up with Billy's Bulletins as posted on the website at www.gaiaguys.net . I certainly did not mean to give offense with my statement to "beware of becoming cult-minded". What does this mean? A cult-mind-set adheres to one teacher, to one set of "doctrines", to one way of perceiving reality, to the exclusion any other sources of Truth, to the exclusion of any of all the other paths or knowledge which are open for us to make our way through this world to enlightenment. If anyone found offense in this, I sincerely apologize. When I first read the two-volume set of "MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES - The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier", I knew in my heart that it was real ( I have first-edition copies of these books, since 1979 ). I knew beyond doubt that Billy had been chosen by the Plajarans to bring these messages to us EarthWorms. I know that real spiritual progress is attainable by all of us who can apply these teachings in our lives. Nothing has changed my certain knowledge or trust of Billy's mission in all the passing years. Why can't the rest of the world see this? As Billy has stated, they are mostly blinded by the media, falsehoods, and the governments lust for secrecy and power. As to the KALOO, I shall keep turning over rocks myself to find them. Here is an interesting fact: In the Pyrenees Mountains ( between France and Spain ) there is found a people known as the Basque. The Basque are among the oldest of races in Europe, and speak a language like no other. The people closest genetically related to them are the Incas of Peru***, with the Atlantic Ocean between them. So draw your own conclusions from this. However, I propose that the Basque and Inca must come from a common race or people. If these are also remnants ( survivors ) from the fall of Atlantis alive today, then ( my original question ) are the KALOO ( scientists, priests, teachers from the same source ) even yet still among us? I shall continue my search. ( *** Reference: " GALACTIC ALIGNMENT", by author John Major Jenkins, page 64 ). Robjna, dear one. You mention that you are engaged in translations. Would this be German to English of Billy's materials? If so, perhaps you could tell me: will the OM material yet be translated into English? Unfortunately, I do not speak any German. Where I grew up ( in New Hampshire ) the second language I learned was French, which was the only available option. And I do thank you for responding to my first post. In gratitude, and in your service, Rod M. ( J_rod7 ) Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Hi Billy, I have a couple of question about Gilgamesh the ET living here on Earth with a 100,000 (50,000) year life span. How many years ahead of Earthman is his spirit evolution? Why don't the P's offer to help him move to a more suitable/peaceful planet so he can live out the rest of his life in peace and according to his spirit evolution. Surely he must feel like being/living amongst barbarians here. Vestri, the Plejarens have already asked Gilgamesh if he wanted to leave Earth, and he declined.-Scott" Hi Scott, I just did a search but found nothing. Do you know the reason why Gilgamesh declined and instead choose to stay here? Thanks | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1340 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Vestri, No I dont. He would only leave if he was capable of building his own ship on earth and use that to depart. Here is a link to the German Discussion Forum which discusses this: http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/1304/2579.html#POST4113 Scott | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 194 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Scott, Thanks for that. I will translate and read it later. Isn't that a bit dangerous for Gilgamesh having this information about him being an ET and now wanting to build a space ship made public through the Meier material? I mean the powers that be wanting to get hold of his technology or even him. They already know he works in a nuclear power plant, he stands around 6.3, drinks heavy water, doesn't age, ect. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 06-2006 |
Rod You wrote: As to the KALOO, I shall keep turning over rocks myself to find them. Here is an interesting fact: In the Pyrenees Mountains ( between France and Spain ) there is found a people known as the Basque. The Basque are among the oldest of races in Europe, and speak a language like no other. The people closest genetically related to them are the Incas of Peru***, with the Atlantic Ocean between them. So draw your own conclusions from this. However, I propose that the Basque and Inca must come from a common race or people. If these are also remnants ( survivors ) from the fall of Atlantis alive today, then ( my original question ) are the KALOO ( scientists, priests, teachers from the same source ) even yet still among us? I shall continue my search. ( *** Reference: " GALACTIC ALIGNMENT", by author John Major Jenkins, page 64 ). Whilst I was in Peru in 1991, I was given some interesting information, that I had never come across before -- one of the things mentioned to me whilst I was at Machu Pichu was that there was a way to get to the Pyranese underground from South America. That is the first time I had been made aware of the idea other than reading the Lobsang Rampa stories when I was younger. Interestingly, one of the people I was travelling with stayed on after we had left that area, and I later saw him and he related a tale of staying on his own in the Machu Pichu region for a while, and finding an entrance, entering it and being told somehow, not with voice though, that if he was to enter any further, he may not ever return. I don't know if he had imagined it or not -- however, it did not surprise me. Incidently, he chose not to go any further. A Shaman who had been travelling with us at the time had told me personally during some interesting midnight sojourns in the ruins, UFO spotting, that there were caverns under the landscape, that he had personally discovered - as he was the resident Archeologist as well, and that there were many many skeletons there amongst other things. I don't understand really, why he would have told me that, as when I think about it, if he was really concerned about not letting others know, telling me was a little illogical. Hmmmm. So, it seems that your info above about a connection between the Incas and the Basque, may also be shown with that info I was given. A bit of a long shot though! you wrote: ........ You mention that you are engaged in translations. Would this be German to English of Billy's materials? If so, perhaps you could tell me: will the OM material yet be translated into English? I cannot speak for FIGU, even though I am a passive member, I am not actively or officially involved in translating for FIGU. I am only at this point translating for my own study. The Om though, I seem to recall that it was mentioned that it maybe is not suited to being translated --- although I have translated sections of it myself -- so it is possible. Even though you cannot read German, that does not stop you from having a go using some translation software. That is how I began, and now, I can read quite a bit of the material, just from constantly translating and editing. It is time consuming and tiring, but I am fortunate to be indefatigable and have the time. It sounds like you have a long standing knowledge of the Meier case -- and even though I am new to it relatively, I would have liked to have found it earlier in my journey. That brings me to another thing you mentioned before, about getting stuck on one particular source of information and not looking at others being not a good idea --- of course, that is a wise thing to say, however, I will use myself as an example -- I am studying the Meier material now, and putting most of my energies into that -- however, prior to studying this material, I have been constantly studying other sources -- and I am no spring chicken -- so I have alot of study and trial and error under my belt. There are some very young students here, and I hope they heed your warning and not restrict themselves completely to just the Meier material -- but if the Meier material is a presentation of the original teachings as created by Nokodemjon and passed down through the lineage of prophets for our benefit, then it would seem that if one chose to study the vast amount of spiritual lessons in this material, which could take a good part of ones lifetime to get through, then one would be receiving and studying the correct information and the truth based on Creational Law and the commandments that stem from these laws to help us live together and evolve. My addendum to this though would be that as well as studying the spiritual teachings, it would be advisable to also study the humanities and sciences. It is a well rounded education and knowledge that enables one to have a wider vantage point, which prevents or lessens the problem of being biased. Another question, as i don't have the time to really go there, if you could answer, is: Where was the information about the Kaloo first found/revealed and is that source reliable? Salome Robjna | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2000 |
Posted by Vestri on Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 11:01 pm: "Hi Billy, I have a couple of question about Gilgamesh the ET living here on Earth with a 100,000 (50,000) year life span. How many years ahead of Earthman is his spirit evolution? Why don't the P's offer to help him move to a more suitable/peaceful planet so he can live out the rest of his life in peace and according to his spirit evolution. Surely he must feel like being/living amongst barbarians here. Vestri, the Plejarens have already asked Gilgamesh if he wanted to leave Earth, and he declined.-Scott" Hi Scott, I just did a search but found nothing. Do you know the reason why Gilgamesh declined and instead choose to stay here? Thanks Hi Vestri, I believe that I read on this forum that his home planet had been = destroyed and that was one of the reasons that he decided to stay here. = Ardie | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1341 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, This was posted by Hans Lanzendorfer (moderator) on the German Forum few years ago. The link I mentioned above is the post which Hans mentions this. I don't know which contact this was, but maybe someone else knows. Nice to hear from you again Regards Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1342 Registered: 12-1999 |
Vestri, I don't know for sure he works at a nuclear power plant, but the heavy water which is spoken of, can be located at a nuclear facility if I understand the information correctly. Scott | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Ardie, Thanks for letting me know that, but I knew that already that his planet no longer existed. That still doesn't answer the question why Gilgamesh would want to stay living in this hell-hole so to speak if the P's offered to take him to a planet that was more peaceful and more suitable to his spiritual evolution level. The only reason that I can think of for him wanting to stay here is if he volunteered to be involved somehow in helping the mission, but as far as I am aware of Billy or the P's never said that he was. | ||
Karlsult Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2007 |
This is something un related but I don't know where to put it. I personally think that some people cannot re incarnate again. Not because that did bad things, or are useless but it just happens. Just like some animals get extinct. Does anyone has any idea about it please? I am very interested about it, not merely a question. Thanks, Karl ps - again I hope it is ok to post here http://www.deletespyware-adware.com/ | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 02-2006 |
Conspiracy Central just did and came out with what I think is a superb Billy Meier documentary called "How the Universe is Created" based on an old Randy Winters narration of how the universe was created according to the Meier material. I know figu distance's itself from Randy Winters, but there is nothing wrong with what he speaks of in here. The documentary is full of some of the best Hubble Space Telescope images of the universe I have ever seen. Again in my opinion it is a superb Billy Meier documentary and effort by Conspiracy Central. I give them 10 out of 10 and certainly hope they come out with more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ZmOyng8-s | ||
Karlsult Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2007 |
yes, that video is good... even though Randy according to what I heard is not honest! Hi Karlsult, Would you please remove your signature line, or change it, because it appears to be a form of advertising. Thank you Scott-Moderator http://www.outranksmart.com/ | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 02-2000 |
Posted by Vestri on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 05:32 pm: Hi Ardie, Thanks for letting me know that, but I knew that already that his planet no longer existed. That still doesn't answer the question why Gilgamesh would want to stay living in this hell-hole so to speak if the P's offered to take him to a planet that was more peaceful and more suitable to his spiritual evolution level. The only reason that I can think of for him wanting to stay here is if he volunteered to be involved somehow in helping the mission, but as far as I am aware of Billy or the P's never said that he was. Hi Vestri, There are probably reasons that we don't know about, but I imagine = that Earth feels like home to him now, since he has lived here for so = very long. =20 What I don't understand is, why information about him has been = released. I would think that people would be hounding power plants in = the southwest looking for him. It is a fascinating story and I for one = would love to meet him. Ardie | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 02-2000 |
Posted by Scott on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 11:25 am: Hi Ardie, This was posted by Hans Lanzendorfer (moderator) on the German Forum few years ago. The link I mentioned above is the post which Hans mentions this. I don't know which contact this was, but maybe someone else knows. Nice to hear from you again Regards Scott Hi Scott, Thanks for the greeting. I've been laying low for a while. My sister = recently passed away from breast cancer that had spread to her lungs. = She lived with me for the last month of her life and it was very = difficult to see her go down hill so fast at the end. She just couldn't = breath anymore and it was frightening for her and for the rest of us to = see. I was there when she took her last breath, so I hope that she saw = me as she passed. Salome, Ardie | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 333 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey vestri, about gilgamesh. perhaps he has personal ambitions and desires, goals and missions, which he is accomplishing. i read somewhere that in billys book the pink crystal, it may or may not have been stated that there were others that arrived with gilgamesh,200+ if i recall. the last 3 was gilgamesh a man and a woman named atlanta or something like that. the man died as a gladiator, and the womans state is unknown. gilgamesh is apparently alive. so perhaps gilgamesh is waiting for a reunion? that possibilities are endless, and the plejarens mission isnt the only thing worth staying on earth for. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1343 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Ardie, I know between your husband for awhile, before his operation, but now losing your sister, it has been a trying time for you and your family this past year. Was she older or younger than you? Salome Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1344 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Peter, Regarding your question to Billy about projecting ones consciousness to a distant location. Earlier you asked Billy about visiting Erra and he said it was done via spiritual telepathy. Since you mentioned somewhere off the planet, this would imply distance, which if using the material consciousness would take some time. If this was done with the spiritual consciousness, it could be done much faster. I wonder are we able to project our spiritual consciousness, if at this point our spirit is "unconscious" so to speak. I have had "dreams" where I have visited other locations, and became awake during the dream, but all of those were on the planet, so I can only assume I was using my material consciousness because these locations were close in comparison. If according to Billy's answer Primary telepathy can only travel up to 3 light seconds, which equates to 558,000 miles, I would think any dreams of very distant places may be just dreams, but this is only my opinion as I understand it. Regards Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 288 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings there vestri and others, The Gilgamesh that I know, says he's quite capable of leaving this earth if he wants to, but says to me he has no desire to leave here, because he is quite content living where he is. He did tell me that he did in fact once work at such a power plant which by the way, I let him bring up first instead of me asking him about it first. he also says that despite making Earth his home, he is very lonely here. He is very capable of building a space ship for himself, but will not do such a thing because he can't risk having this fall into the wrong hands and feels he does not need to undertake such a task. He is more then capable of looking after himself and very perceptive of who comes near him. Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 03-2003 |
To Robjna, Who was the Shaman you refer to and how can I get in touch with him? Did he ever tell you about the An-Apunians of Peru? -An ancient ET colony which still exists hidden in Peru which still maintains some relations with people living in the highlands and who exist within certain mountains of Peru, including close by to Machu Pichu. If I can, I'd like to talk with you further about this. James Truthseeker | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2000 |
Posted by Scott on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:46 pm: Hi Ardie, I know between your husband for awhile, before his operation, but now losing your sister, it has been a trying time for you and your family this past year. Was it ever determined how she came down with lung cancer? Salome Scott Hi Scott, She started out with breast cancer 10 years ago. Chemo and radiation=20 slowed it down, but it took a lot out of her. Eventually, nothing = worked=20 anymore. (I couldn't get her to try alternative methods of treatment. = =20 She put all her faith in her doctors). A few months ago, they=20 discovered it in her lungs. Living with a chronic smoker probably = didn't help. In the last weeks, it turned up in her liver. Who knows where = else. She was a very brave woman and NEVER complained about anything.=20 She was only 50 years old with two teenagers. Ardie | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 03-2003 |
Gretings Scott, I'm surprised now one saw the error in the last question answered by Billy from Eramirez, for October 27, 2007. Should it not read pineal gland instead of pituitary gland? James Truthseeker | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 563 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Ardie ; I'm very sorry to hear of your loss . I hope that you are at peace about it . Kind Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 932 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rod..... ME...being "cult mind-set"!? Of course not! Nor are the majority of us here! Well, if I look at the list of recommendations, YOU seem to be more "cult mind-set"...than me(or any of us here!)... No, I would not read any of your recommendations at all. I KNOW where I stand when it comes down to Truth, and what Billy and the Plejarans have to offer us all; and from own experiences. Pleasant Seeking... Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 933 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Ardie.... Sad to hear of your sister's deceased, through Cancer. I just read this week, that Breast Cancer has Decreased in our country, and that the Increase of Lung Cancer has taken it's place, alas to say. The women are passing up the men! And you mentioning - Living with a Chronic Smoker -, truly gives you a hint, there. Being a - Second Hand Smoker - never helps at all(even I had problems being a Second Hand Smoker in the past, but nothing extreme). It is very Positive that there are steps being taken in public places where smoking has become a minimum manifestation. I truly, Applaud to this; just as many would, also. Keep it strong... Edward. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear James In your 288th post above; are you saying that you actually met Gilgamesh?? Regards ashwin | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 05-2007 |
Now that you guys started talking about smoking i'm just curious does Billy still smoke or has he kicked the habit. --------------------- Dear James, What makes you think this man you've spoken to is Giglamesh. Could you give us some more information on this man who claims to be Giglamesh /where does he live, how does he look.../ --------------------------------- Dear Ardie, I am sorry for your loss, it's never easy. Remember her body has passed away but her spirit hasn't and her spirit will NEVER die. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 241 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Dave, Billy has stoped smoking. But still drinks coffee... Hello Ardie, Just wanted to extend my deepest condolences to you and your family. Just remember you got each other and nobody has to go through the pain of loss alone. One of the advantages of being part of a family and not being alone. Salome, Badr | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2000 |
Thank you ALL for your kind words and condolences. I do have a = terrific family and that helps a lot. =20 I don't know why I keep getting these equal signs in my messages that = I send through my e-mail... Salome, Ardie | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey scott, you make some great points. i dont know the details on the distance etc. i guess half a million miles isnt very far at all in space. as i have dreams that seem to cover many topics, and many times topics that i dont really take a wake/every day interest in, i assume there is importance to them. perhaps they are just dreams. but now what about interdimensional conciousness projection? that opens up a whole can of possibilities to ponder. wether or not we can or cannot project our conciousness to far off places, it is still pretty amazing that we can build worlds and places in dreams, and feel them with touch, smell them with our noses etc etc, run around or fly in the air, and yet this is apparently all in our heads? no hands or feet or noses at all. i'd like to think that seemingly everything creation has made in this universe, there is multi-purposes to it, like stars to name just one of many examples... so i like to think that there are dreams, and then there are some other things, some deeper places and states and so on. perhaps the dreamstate is an introduction to the universe, thte way you will experience it when bodyless. man i could talk about this stuff for years, and get nowhere, but it would still be great. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 03-2003 |
Repost do to corrections. Greetings Ashwin and Dave, If you want to see what the Gilgamesh that I know presently looks like, you can find a picture of him that I posted up in the PAR group. As far as where he lives?, he presently lives in an isolated community way out in the middle of the desert in New Mexico. Now here is a guy that I met through a TV producer friend of mine who decided to go check him out to see for himself if he was for real and when he got back to LA, he was not disappointed, so I got in contact with the guy myself. Apparently he can go by a number of different names so we compassionately call him the wizard. Now the reason why I believe this guy is legit thus far is because he told me things first hand which I did not read about until later on from this forum, such as his ability to adjust to a new set form identity, etc. Now from what I understand from him and the situation now to give you a more up to date from a previous posting here, the Gilgamesh that I know is the last of his kind relating from an ancient people called the Dropa or "People of the Dragon", who eventually crash landed here some thousands of years ago and became known as the Dropa in ancient China. Later on in history he becomes known as the ancient dragon of Babylon, etc. In more recent years Gilian eventually finds his way to North America where he eventually creates a new set identity and rejuvenates himself back to full health. Now he supposedly has a sister by the name of Atlanta hiding out somewhere, but I did not hear that from him, but rather from a guy who once attempted to build a website for him. Despite the fact that there is every indication now more then ever that he is the real Gilgamesh as I continue to get to know him, I've yet to actually get out to see him in person, to see him do first hand the things that he says he can do. Now perhaps the strangest thing about all this is, I've made around 5 attempts this past summer to travel out to go meet him at his place, but for every attempt I made to get out there, something always happened to me and my friends that would always prevent us from going out to go see him and it would happen at the last minute. 2 people changed their minds of going, because of their fears related to UFOs and large open desert spaces. Peace in being, James Truthseeker | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2007 |
Edward ... You have written: >>>"ME...being "cult mind-set" !? Of course not! Nor are the majority of us here!" I certainly did not mean to give offense with my statement to "beware of becoming cult-minded". What does this mean? A cult-mind-set adheres to one teacher, to one set of "doctrines", to one way of perceiving reality... to the exclusion any other sources of Truth... to the exclusion of any of all the other paths or knowledge which are open for us to make our way through this world to enlightenment. If anyone found offense in this, I sincerely apologize. I apologize directly to you, Edward. I will not get involved in a "flame-war" with you.! >>>"Well, if I look at the list of recommendations, YOU seem to be more "cult mind-set"...than me(or any of us here!)... " NOT TRUE, and NOT logical. In all my studies where I find resonant Truth, many times it may be enshrouded by someone's personal EGO or opinion. But I have also learned not to "throw out the baby with the bathwater." And, I should add, I continue to remain open-minded, reachable and teachable ( which would be good if more people were, also ). And, yes, I have read the TJ, and also "And Still They Fly" by Guido Moosbrugger. And also have read "MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES - The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier", which comprise the complete dialogues of the First through the Fifty-Fith contacts with Semjase . I have also kept up with Billy's Bulletins as posted on the website at www.gaiaguys.net , and at the website www.TheyFly.com . If you have enough already on your plate, that's fine, your personal choice. Myself, I enjoy the entire buffet. >>>"No, I would not read any of your recommendations at all. I KNOW where I stand when it comes down to Truth" Again, you choose your own path, as must we all. However, I shall continue to follow your prolific postings. --------------------------------------------- Go in peace Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 112 Registered: 05-2007 |
Truthseeker I see your convinced the man you speak with is the real Giglamesh but how about you ask Billy if he's the real deal or just some guy pretending to be Giglamesh. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 05-2007 |
I find it rather strange that a man who is an E.T and lives in the US /out of all countries/ has no problem with reveiling he's not from this world. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1345 Registered: 12-1999 |
T org Dave I agree with you, the Plejarens have gone to great lengths to remain hidden from the general public, why would this individual allow himself to be photographed if he is who he is purported to be. Since he has to altered his identity to not be noticed, why would he turn around and publicize himself, it makes no sense. Scott | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 293 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey Dave, the reason why I have not asked Billy yet is because the Gilgamesh I know says he can do certain things to prove that he is the real deal should ever I manage to get down to seeing him in person. Such as to suddenly move to his other set form which is that of a dragon, or to see him open portals up to other places, etc. And I've now found witnesses who say he can actually do these things, including telepathically contact UFOs and have them lad should they choose to do so. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey, who's saying he publicizes himself?, when last I heard he still lives way out in an isolated desert region of New Mexico. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1346 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi James, You have been publicizing him. You stated he is located in an isolated desert region of New Mexico, you have posted his image on PAR forum for the whole world to see. The world is a much smaller place than it was 10 years ago with GPS, the internet, cell phones etc....I just don't believe it, anymore when people say they are in touch with aliens etc...., but no one is able to really produce any proof except their word....sorry for being skeptical, but I feel this person may be pulling your proverbial leg a bit... Scott | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2007 |
Greetings Scott and all In some of the posts, I have found many references to the Spiritual Teachings. One post indicated that we could advance as much as 124-years in our spiritual growth by deep study of the Teachings. Also, it was stated there were more than 300 Teachings...!.? My question is this: are these Spiritual Teachings DIFFERENT than those Spiritual Teachings found on the website at US.FIGU.ORG ?.?.! My naiveté should be apparent in this respect, but I continue to grow in my spiritual evolution, despite a wealth of "worldly learning." A point I would like to add here applies to the Religions of the Earth. Billy is correct in his condemnation of all these flavors of manmade religions, they DO ENSLAVE human beings with their distortions of Truth, with their mind-control over the "believers", and particularly in the sectarian warfare which engulfs the humanity of Earth. The point should be made, however, is that the original CORE of religions were founded upon a bright-shining Truth. The intent of those who taught the people the Truth of Creation, was to provide a path to spiritual growth; upon these teachings, the various religions sprang up by power-hungry persons in order to enslave humankind, most likely with the GIZA-intelligences behind this sad turn. It was the intent that the CORE of "Christianity", AND the CORE of Islam, AND the CORE of Buddhism were meant to become a UNITED WHOLE teaching for the spiritual growth of human beings...NOT that one should stand against the other, as we have now. It's SO sad to see these at odds with one another in the minds of people. 'Nuff for now... Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hey Scott, Hey I can understand you been skeptical and all because I'm still skeptical of many things myself, but this Gilgamesh guy has essentially told me about everything the same as that to which I've read about concerning him on the FIGU forum, most of which before it was even posted here. Actually at first I thought Gilgamesh was just a rumor on this forum when his name was first mentioned here and I too was skeptical about it for awhile until I actually got in contact with this guy. But what really gets me about all of this is the fact that he tells me stuff long before I read it here or before it gets posted here, within the last 3 years now. Which means that so far everything matches up, however there is still ONE distinct difference between what Billy says so far to what he says thus far, or at least until I can read a full translation of Billy's book "The Pink Crystal" and that is the guy I know claims to have the ability to quickly turn himself into a set form of a silver dragon, and further says that if I can get down to his place, then he will indeed do this for me without hesitation, since I will not be afraid of him if he does. I know exactly where this guy lives and I know he doesn't like using computers, nor does he use email. But I talked to him about his picture, etc and about the GPS thing and all and he says he can sense if someone is peering down in on him via satellite from space, or if its from some CIA guy off in the distance, etc, and of course what he is capable of doing if someone tries messing around with him, and he can even go invisible if he needs to. For now he will leave people alone if they leave him alone. Oh and by the way right now he does not go by the name of Gilgamesh and I choose not to publicize that name. But as far as his picture goes, he can always work at creating a new set identity if he did not do so already since that picture is already a few years old. But you don't have to believe me if you don't want to, since I've been unsuccessful in a number of attempts to get myself down there to see it all for myself, do to a series of unfortunate circumstances. But you are more then welcome to take me out there should we eventually meet in Arizona if you feel you can make such a long trip out into the middle of the vast desert. And of course if he is not the real Gilgamesh then it would be interesting to know who he really is. James Truthseeker | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 05-2007 |
James where is the PAR group, I'm interested in seeing this picture. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 335 Registered: 01-2004 |
in my opinion, about the gilgamesh issue... truth is stranger than fiction, and no treasure ever announces its whereabouts, treasures are searched out and found. even the treasure that is mr meier. and it is ironic that people in the figu forum would be so skeptical, or looking towards the negative possiblities, rather than taking a chance and seeing the likeliness in what james accounts about gilgamesh as that of logical possibilities based on common sense and trust. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Dave Here is the picture  And here is the url to the Plejarens Are Real (PAR) group on yahoo. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plejarens_are_real_2005/ Regards ashwin | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 02-2000 |
I'm wondering if Gilgamesh has been known as different characters throughout history. Surely he has stood out from time to time. And where would he get his heavy water, if he is having to get it from a power plant these days? Ardie | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 05-2007 |
I always hear that Giglamesh needs tons of water and that's why he works at a power plant but why does he need so much water and what does he do with it, does he drink it, absorb it, baith in it. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 05-2007 |
This time it has got to work  | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 936 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Yes, I would agree with Scott...and those whom think further...into the Obvious and Logical facts! The REAL Gilgamesh WOULD NEVER expose himself to such Low Evolved Earth Human Beings that still do not know the real reality of Creation and it's contents, and way of existence! With the Majority of Earthlings STILL being Cult Religious related, in practically all their doings, and what not! Gilgamesh knows quite clearly, how life threatening his exposure could be to himself. THIS MAN: IS IN NO WAY Gilgamesh! Dear James: you should KNOW better than that!??? Edward. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Edward, please go back and re-read my former posting and THEN comment! I'm not saying he is THEE Gilgamesh, I'm saying that from what this guy claims he can do along with talking to people who have taken the time out to actually go see him to later confirm that he is for real, then when the more obvious matches up to the same accounts made by Billy, THEN I'd say the chances are pretty good that he actually is the real Gilgamesh. But you just couldn't wait for me to actually get out there myself so that I could give you and everyone else on this forum my own personal account?, you should KNOW better than that!??? James Truthseeker | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Edward, But Gilgamesh is known to change his form from time to time. So if this is Gilgamesh then by now he would have changed his form already, right?? He would have become someone else, by now. Salome Aditya | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 589 Registered: 10-2000 |
James, The man in this picture appears to very much WANT a lot of attention and publicity, to create some kind of "mystique" around himself, perhaps like a professional magician - or a used car salesman. My question would be, for all the trouble you appear to go to, and are now ready to go to, why not go to the center in Switzerland and check out something that is, how shall I say it, good bit more genuine? You'd meet a number of people who aren't looking to dazzle you with crystals and New Age mumbo jumbo, who are doing their best to live the teachings at the core of the Meier case and whose forms have actually changed over the years - due of course to our earthly aging conditions. Michael Horn | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 297 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Michael, We/I already know that Billy is genuine and don't need to look into this any further to say that he is, therefore if friends of mine have actually gone out to go see this other guy for themselves to see what he says he can do is for real and then reported back to me saying that he is in fact for real, then YES I'm going to go check this guy out for myself to get a first hand account. If he is the real Gilgamesh for which his claims presently lay in his favor then YES I'm not going to miss out on what could be a life time opportunity to meet a real life ancient. If he isn't the real Gilgamesh then at least I can say that I took the time and trouble to actually go check this guy out rather then just assuming he isn't, because it's all about first hand experience and it's important to find our own answers. Therefore since this guy lives a lot closer to home then say going to Switzerland, then I'm going to use what ever means to go see this guy in person. James Truthseeker | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 05-2007 |
James It's cool that you want to see this guy in person to find out if he is the real Giglamesh but I advise you be carefull in visiting a stranger at his home, especially someone who claims to be Giglamesh. I suggest you take a trip to good old Hinterschmidruti rather than Arizona. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 02-2006 |
James I think you and your friend have been taken for a ride by another person (trickster/conjuror) like Sai Baba.    | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 590 Registered: 10-2000 |
Have you attempted to reason your way through why someone who actually could do the things claimed would actually do them for people's amusement, why he would invite you to wtiness it? Gee, if a guy has been alive for several thousand years, at least, just why would he advertise it to anyone, especially now, when it would only assure him a place in a lab somewhere being "taken apart" to see what's kept him going all these millenia? What's in it for him, satisying your "gosh, I don't wanna miss this great opportunity" desire? Big pay off there. And yes, I know I'm dignifying what I actually find to be near contemptible gullibility, if not outright idiocy, by even asking. Michael Horn | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Vestri, But how can we really be sure that this is not the real Gilgamesh, he might have changed his shape after this photograph. Salome Aditya | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 105 Registered: 06-2007 |
I don't believe that this guy is Gilgamesh. The true Gilgamesh would not surround of peoples. The spiritual teachings say that if you live 100,000 years, when you death you will be free from the process of reincarnation. Now, Gilgamesh lived for 50,000 years and he need another 50,000 years to complete his life. If somebody kill him before he completes his life, his spirit will have to reincarnate in less evolved human bodies of this earth and he will have to pass for 50,000 years of reincarnation. He have a lot to lose if he surround with peoples. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 244 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Incredible, Can you please mention the source of your statement that „The spiritual teachings say that if you live 100,000 years, when you death you will be free from the process of reincarnation.” To me this statement doesn’t seem logic at all, because what if someone spent 100,000 years of pure materialistic gain for example, that means he will be free from the process of reincarnation!. Compared to how I understand it that a person would need to reincarnate millions of times to reach that level, so how many years do you think that will take. Any way waiting for your source. Salome, Badr | ||
Jacob Moderator Post Number: 503 Registered: 01-2004 |
Incredible, Your statement is false, the evolution for any human being in the whole Universe is at least 60 to 80 million years to reach the level of the high counsel, from that point on it takes 60 to 80 BILLION years to reach the first pure spiritual level of Arahat Athersata. Salome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 06-2007 |
You told that in... I don't know where. But you told that. I know that if you spend 100,000 years in a materialistic life you will not evolve in your consciousness. But what if Gilgamesh spend his life in the development of the consciousness? He definitely not want to enter in contact with the earth men. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dear Vestri, But how can we really be sure that this is not the real Gilgamesh, he might have changed his shape after this photograph. Hi Aditya, I think Michael summed it up best. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 201 Registered: 02-2006 |
Just in regards to what is mentioned at Gaiaguys and seen on Fox TV about Kal Korff infiltrating Figu , so to speak. (p.s i am aware that Figu prob would have let him in either way) Does anyone know if he really did do this? As seen on FOX TV! - THE DEFINITIVE VERDICT ON THE EDUARD "BILLY" MEIER UFO CULT - PERIOD! In August and September of 1991, American Author, Broadcaster, Columnist and Investigative Journalist, Kal Korff, traveled secretly undercover and successfully penetrated the Satanic-based "UFO" cult of Eduard "Billy" Meier in Switzerland. Growing his hair and beard for over 1.5.years in order to fool the Meier cult members and disguise his appearance, Korff posed as "Steve Thomas" and visited the cult for three weeks. More importantly, Korff located ORIGINAL film negatives, and then successfully DUPLICATED several of Meier's "UFO" photos at the SAME locations in Switzerland! Illustrated with more than 117 images/photos." http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hay Michael Horn, Let me get a few things straight with you! -First of all this guy DID NOT call himself Gilgameh. He went and still goes by a different name when I was introduced to him. -Secondly "I" called him Gilgamesh, because I said from the very beginning that HE COULD BE the real Gilgamesh, because of things he said to me that later CORRIPSPONDS to what was written here on this forum at a later time AFTER I HEARD ABOUT IT FROM HIM!. Hey it was me who was skeptical of the whole Gilgamesh rumor when I first heard about it on this board! -Thirdly the picture you see there was not from him advertising himself as Gilgamesh!, nor was it of him advertising any of his super powers or whatever people want to call it! It was from a past site where he was actually once selling crystals and rocks for a living!!! Gee I guess I better not do that because I'll automatically be a fraud just for suggesting it. OH TO LATE I GUESS I ALL READY AM! -Forthly, absolutely NONE OF YOU asked Billy Meier why he even brought up the Topic of Gilgamesh in the first place!!! And just maybe he is a fraud and now because I want to personally check this guy out to see him for myself if he can actually do things which I ASKED HIM TO DO AT MY REQUEST. Now you treat me like an enemy of Meier and FIGU. So if that is your deffinition of what makes people your enemy, then gee maybe I really am on the wrong planet, in the wrong forum, in the wrong group, with the wrong friends!!! I only posted all that to get people's COMPARATIVE OPINIONS and of course because of a person who I called the possible GILGAMESH, because of things that so far compared with the REAL GILGAMESH, before it was even posted here! FINE THEN!, I SHALL BE OFF ON MY MARRY WAY! JAMES TRUTHSEEKER | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, Just some up this whole Gilgamesh matter once and for all. I would like to express my disappointment in that I'm particularly surprised to see certain people on the FIGU forum come to some rather very quick conclusions about the whole Gilgamesh subject without even having the decency to even ask me more about my side of the story first. Even-though I have yet to meet this guy in person, this is a guy I've been having conversations with now for the past 3 years. Now concerning his picture, this was posted first up at PAR at the request of a certain person who was here who wanted to see a picture of whom I was talking about. So the picture posted was from a past website of his from when he was selling rocks and crystals, because surprise, surprise, people actually do things for a living!!! In getting to know this guy in the past 3 years, this guy has made mention of things to me which even I was skeptical of until... Are you ready for this?... until I read about such a person on the FIGU forum who just happens to go by the name of Gilgamesh. Yes the very Gilgamesh FIGU rumor to which even I was at first skeptical of. Now what surprises me so much here is that, as much as YES Billy is the real thing, and YES he has something serious to contribute to the world. I'm completely dumbfounded by the fact that so many and certain people who are associated with FIGU would also not investigate other cases of people's claims, UFOs, phenomenon, etc, because it has nothing to do with what Billy says, etc. But in case any of you have not noticed, Billy Meier is a very very busy man as much as he has already proven himself to the world over and over again with that undeniable thing called proof along with his own mission of spirit teachings and so on. So if I even see an indication that a certain person, phenomenon, or thing may have a ring of certain truth to it, then it only seems appropriate to seek out the truth for myself, rather then bother Billy Meier about it or always rely on Billy Meier for all my answers, when I feel more then capable of finding my own answers. That being said, I got news for you, Billy Meier is NOT going to be around forever so its now about time for certain people to learn how to find their own answers!, recognize truth since Billy doesn't know everything himself, and do your own investigations! Obviously certain people can't get it!, and could have at least taken the time to ask me about my full side of the story first. Why do I even bother? I thought FIGU was a group of truthseekers. Obviously not. James Truthseeker | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 591 Registered: 10-2000 |
James, Is it really necessary for you to throw a tantrum and a self-pity party because you don't like the responses to the "gee wiz" stuff you bring up here? And why be dumbfounded when you discover that many, perhaps most, of the people here aren't all that excited about "phenomenon", or about whatever tricks you asked this guy to do, etc. I think that most of us are kind of past the trick thing, if you know what I mean. But if turning into a silver dragon is really that important to you, why not just try to do it yourself and let us know how it turns out. Don't settle for see it when you can...be it, no? Vestri, I challenged Kal Korff on 16 specific points when I debated him on a radio show. As a matter of fact, I made the conditions for a "rematch" that he actually answer these points/questions, provide proof, etc. The moderator assured me that Korff would but when the second show came he was both uwilling and unable to answer ANY of them, or to provide proof that he duplicated Meier's photos, etc. As a matter of fact, virtually everything he said turned out to be untrue and/or unporven. I went so far as to contact the book publisher that he claimed was publishing his "500 new books"...who of course said he didn't know a darn thng about it. He's definitely a legend only in his own mind. Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Truthseeker, I have been following your postings, reference Gilgamesh, with interest. I, also, have caught some flak from certain ones over some of my previous posts. Please do not give up on us simply because someone may have a difference of opinion from yours. The pilots of the F117 stealth fighters flew through flak on their flights over Baghdad, but completed their missions despite the flak. May I suggest that actions do speak louder than words. Take action. Go on down to New Mexico and meet with "the man". Report back to us what you can find out about him, and what you can learn from him. It IS true that there are more sources of truth available to us in the world (and from outside of the world, too). Sharpen your ability of discernment to recognize Truth when or wherever you find it. For me, Truth has a resonance which also does not contradict what other Truth I also feel in my heart and know, and untruth creates a dull "thud" in my thinking and in my heart. Go with an open mind, with love in your heart, and ask your guardian angel for protection and guidance. Rod Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 02-2006 |
James Truthseeker "I would like to express my disappointment in that I'm particularly surprised to see certain people on the FIGU forum come to some rather very quick conclusions about the whole Gilgamesh subject without even having the decency to even ask me more about my side of the story first. Even-though I have yet to meet this guy in person, this is a guy I've been having conversations with now for the past 3 years." James don't get upset with us because you seem to be changing your story as you go along. Here is one of them, dated August 18, 2006. You just said here you never meet this guy saying that every time you went to meet him you somehow mysteriously decided to change your mind at the last minute, and other stuff. James Truthseeker "Greetings Scott and Peter, Gilgamesh, yes that be the guy I'm talking about and the funny thing is, about 2 or 3 years ago I was some-what skeptical of his existence and then all of a sudden POW!, I run right into the guy, or at least someone who very much resembles him in almost every-way I can think of. And quite the story he has indeed. I only refer to him as immortal because of the thousands of years he has lived, but yes you're right, even he won't live forever." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6988.html#POST22352 | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Michael, yes I know all about what happened with your confrontations with Kal Korff on radio. I listened to nearly all your radio interviews. I think you do a great job talking about the Meier case in all your radio and TV interviews! You are a great asset at this time to helping the Meier case. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 05-2007 |
James there's no need to go on a rant. Well all the other guys have already said why we don't beleive this guy is Giglamesh, so I won't write a post about that. There's one thing nobody has brought up in this discussion though and that is that according to the P's NO earth human besides Billy is having any sort of contact with an ET. Yes Giglamesh has to communicate with people here on earth to get by but the people he talks to probably have no idea he's an ET. ------------------------------ Michael would that debate between Kal and yourself be available somewhere on the net to listen. I would love to hear that debate. If any of you know where I could find it feel free to speak up. salome david | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2007 |
Kal Korf claim that in 1991 he infiltrated the FIGU for 3 weeks! Now, this is the question: If Billy meier have regular contact with the pleiadeans, and the pleiadeans have technology to decipher the thinking of the persons, why they don't informed Billy Meier about the presence of Korf in FIGU? 1. According to my knowledge FIGU Have a small telemeter in orbit exactly above the center 2. In 1991 the pleiadeans had habitats here on earth, and supposedly they remove their habitats in 1995. So they had regular contact with meier or at least they monitored the center and the visitors on a regular base. Kal Korf in FIGU For 3 weeks? Taking pictures and acting as spy? In a place monitored by pleiadeans? And nobody knew about this? even the pleiadeans. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 564 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Rod ;In a previous post you wrote : "Go with an open mind, with love in your heart, and ask your guardian angel for protection and guidance. "- Rod Your'e new around here , aren't you ? I just wanted to point out that the idea of guardian angels , although a popular religious type belief , is one that has no place in the Spiritual Teachings . I just wanted to let you in on this small but relevant point , since you post here quite a lot . Regards , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 249 Registered: 12-2004 |
Incredible, Need to correct you on a small mistake, Billy is in contact with the Plejarens not the Pleiadeans. Salome, Badr | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 592 Registered: 10-2000 |
David, You may want to check with http://www.xzone-radio.com and see if they have it archived. Michael Horn | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 05-2007 |
Incredible, To answer your question there's two probable answere's, one would be that the p's didn't bother examining him to find his true intentions or they knew about it but didn't do anything since every human has the right to do what wants with the truth, either accept the truth or deny it like Korff does. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks Michael. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 02-2006 |
Yep Billy says that guardian angel belief is nonsense. It is another one of those "new age" spiritual beliefs, as is charkra's, ect. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 02-2006 |
Don't feel bad about it though Rod, because most people here believed in that too before they found the Meier material. I was one of them. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Mark, hello Vestri, >> "I just wanted to point out that the idea of guardian angels , although a popular religious type belief , is one that has no place in the Spiritual Teachings ." >> "...Billy says that guardian angel belief is nonsense. It is another one of those "new age" spiritual beliefs..." Thank you for the information, and for corrections to my mis-statement. Certainly, what I should have said to Truthseeker is: to go with the knowledge that his connection with the greater part of his sprit, which comes from Creation, will guide him in his journey of discovery to learn the truth he seeks about Gilgamesh. That this guidance will come into his intuition, as needed, for discernment. That he should be expecting this whenever it may be needed, with the certain knowledge of his spirit, which is greater than the "faith" concept which has been pushed upon people be religions. But this is all too much to said in a simple complimentary close to a note. You are also correct that I am "new" to this forum. However, I'm not a COMPLETELY ignorant putz. And I am still learning, growing, and evolving. To continue in my growth IS the reason I'm here, to learn from you-all, "pick your brains" so to speak, and correct mistakes in my thinking. Thank you. Rod Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 565 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Rod ; It's hard to tell without a face to go with the words , but I did not intend to condescend . I just wanted to mention it before some of the others group tackled you on the issue ! Thanks , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 02-2006 |
357th Contact Report Monday, April 26th, 2004 The decisive machinations for the entire Moon landing swindle lead back fundamentally to Werner Freiherr von Braun and Walt Disney, who, together as good friends, already established everything earlier. Walt Disney, as movie special effects specialist, suited NASA perfectly. But, unfortunately, he died two and a half years before the execution of the swindle, on December 12th, 1966, if I remember correctly. His ideas and those of Werner von Braun, who indeed died in 1977, I think that it was on June 16th, were then however still realised. Besides, there was still Werner von Braun's co-worker, with whom I was permitted to have a short conversation in Semjase's beamship, as she flew with me to America and she beamed the man into her ship. Naturally, he was completely perplexed and could initially not understand what had happened to him and he was suddenly in our ship. His name was Ernst Stuhlinger (Note from Billy of September 24th, 2005: E Stuhlinger was Werner von Braun's right hand man and he said, among other things, "It was the lie of the millennium, a fraud of the millennium without equal, NASA's and the USA's best specialised deceit spectacle ever"), and he came from Germany like Werner von Braun. First he wanted to dispute the Moon swindle, but Semjase's irrefutable presence with her ship and her explanation led to him confessing to the incredible swindle. But he then therefore begged that we should not publish his name and the conversation we had with him for the time being, rather first then when he is dead. Today the man would have to be over 90 years old. http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv9p131,132Stuhlinger.htm I don't really understand why the P's went as far as actually doing this to someone (beem up into ET spaceship) just to see if they would be honest to them with owning up about something they once did? I mean like what happened with the P's always being careful/wishing not to cause any earth humans any pyschological tramua/problems with showing their presence? (I would have loved to have seen the expression on his face though!) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1351 Registered: 12-1999 |
New Planet Discovered http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071106/ap_on_sc/planetary_system | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Michael, Vestri and others, OK now that I've had a bit of time to clear my head again. I think it is only fare to comment and answer. Michael; OK so it may not have been necessary for me to throw a rant, since I've never really considered you my enemy, but at the same time I first find it completely un-called for, that Gilgamesh or not, fraud or not, to see his picture first insinuated by Vestri by this malicious means with that of being a fraud like Sai Baba. Vestri; you don't even know the guy or anything about him! Let's see now, what was that saying, never judge a book by it's cover? And Micheal, Your "gee wiz" stuff is one thing but your comment of "What's in it for him, satisying your "gosh, I don't wanna miss this great opportunity" desire? Big pay off there. And yes, I know I'm dignifying what I actually find to be near contemptible gullibility, if not outright idiocy, by even asking." was truly un-called for. If you're skeptical of this whole conversation, then you could have at least said so without getting so uppity with me when I didn't even want his picture posted on this forum to begin with, which is why I left it posted at PAR. Sorry I can't turn myself into a silver dragon for you or prove it to you or even to myself yet that this guy is really Gilgamesh, but you could have at least expressed you opinion or skepticism more orderly and intelligently Like Scott our moderator does, because I'm not your enemy. Save your swords for people Kal Korff like you have in the past. He is your/our enemy. I'm not Meier's enemy. Take Kal down like you already did if you have to point your swords at someone. Or else I will not be the first of your friends to rant. To Vestri; That earlier post you quoted from me was in fact about the time when I first started calling him Gilgamesh and speculated him as been Gilgamesh. It appears you did not catch what I meant in that post. When I said "POW!, I run right into the guy", I actually meant I was via coincidence suddenly introduced to the guy via phone while been skeptical of the whole thing. I did not mean I met this guy in person at that time. Not then nor now. To everyone: I think it's only appropriate that if you find someone who has a similar story to that of what Billy Meier describes as being Gilgamesh, that it would only stand to reason to ask or test this guy out to see what he is then capable of doing and to see him actually do it. I'm a truth seeker and like it or not, those are the kind of questions I'm going to ask in this case. Some of you may not be interested in knowing such things, and if that is the case then fine, that is your privilege, just don't get sarcastic with me if I bring this up with people who are interested. I will be staying here, but will not discuss the Gilgamesh issue any further. From this point forward, that conversation with me is now closed indefinitely. It saddens me to think that if any person in the future ever has any accidental contact with any ETs, or if someone just happens to fall victim of a secret service UFO fraud, then obviously such people are going to be ripped to shreds by certain people from FIGU should they ever choose to speak of it here. I'm sure most of you know exactly what I'm talking about. Ashwin; Apology accepted, I should have let you know before hand, my fault really. To everyone else, thanks for the comments. James Truthseeker | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 02-2006 |
James "Michael; OK so it may not have been necessary for me to throw a rant, since I've never really considered you my enemy, but at the same time I first find it completely un-called for, that Gilgamesh or not, fraud or not, to see his picture first insinuated by Vestri by this malicious means with that of being a fraud like Sai Baba. Vestri; you don't even know the guy or anything about him! Let's see now, what was that saying, never judge a book by it's cover?" James I don't know why your taking offense to that comment I said before about believing this person to being a fraudster and liking him to Sai Baba, because I was just giving my opinion on the matter and not trying to offend. And I don't know why you think what I said before was malicious? Whats wrong or malicious with someone saying they think this person your referring to who claims to be Gilgamesh and who you believe he is too is a fraudster/trickster, just like what Sai Baba is? Sorry but I think you and your friend had been had. And I don't think there was anything malicious with saying this before, and I don't know why you think it is? Its just an opinion. Vestri - "James I think you and your friend have been taken for a ride by another person (trickster/conjuror) like Sai Baba." | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 593 Registered: 10-2000 |
James, It seems that not only do you want to express yourself the way you feel like it, you want to control how others express themselves in response to it. Are you 10 years-old, do you need to be handled with velvet gloves? I frankly don't care at all about who this guy is or isn't but I do wonder about some things. Let's use this analogy, though it may not be very exact. If there was a rumored gold mine that hadn't been discovered yet and you believed that you had found it, would you post a photo of it and suggest its location, knowing that there may be all sorts of consequences to doing so, including some possible harm to various people? Or would you quietly go about researching it and determining the truth of the matter first...and then deciding if it really was a good idea to publicize, or exploit it, for yourself and/or others? So I wonder why you would post a person's picture and associate it to certain claims that might cause some perhaps unbalanced people to act upon them in ways that may have negative consequences for others, maybe even for the guy in the photo. Even though he looks to me like someone who really wants a lot of attention, did you ask his permission to post his photograph? If not why not? If yes, and if he gave you permission to do so, what would that tell about the likelihood that he's someone who's chosen to remain hidden for, oh I don't know, THOUSANDS of years - IF indeed such a person exists? Do you KNOW if such a person exists or is it that you have accepted it as fact just because it's in the Meier material? Do you think that you can answer that question by meeting this person? And what indeed will it do for you if he is this person? (This isn't an attacking, trick or unfair question. Think about it.) So it's not about either being your enemy, attacking you, etc. As far as I'm concerned it's more about calling attention to what I think has been an ill thought out matter on your part. And the various criticisms give you the opportunity to...do some thinking. Michael Horn | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 05-2007 |
Vestrie, 'I don't really understand why the P's went as far as actually doing this to someone (beem up into ET spaceship) just to see if they would be honest to them with owning up about something they once did? I mean like what happened with the P's always being careful/wishing not to cause any earth humans any pyschological tramua/problems with showing their presence? (I would have loved to have seen the expression on his face though!' I was wondering the same thing. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 301 Registered: 03-2003 |
Concerning the Moon hoax, Now that is where I would have to agree with Vestri. It appears as though Semjase has indeed violated a kind of Plejaren prime directive by transporting Ernst Stuhlinger into her ship, when she already new he was involved with the moon hoax. Had he confessed this event to FIGU before anyone reading this particular contact note, or reading it on Dyson's site, then yes his claims would therefore also be ripped to sheds. If anything, if Semjase was going to take another person up with her besides Billy, I think it should have been at the time Billy's former wife for at least on one occasion as it probably would have prevented a lot of complications for Billy there. James Truthseeker | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hey Truthseeker... I love the Gilgamesh info. Don't stop reporting because of some remarks. You've been here long enough to know they will come and eventually they will go but maybe the remarks come from lack of imagination on their part. Its obvious Gilgemesh is out there, as per Billy, so why shouldn't your story be true? A story like Gilgemesh invokes the kid in all of us because its amazing some guy is still around for thousands of years. If I lived out west, i'd be the first one to ride down with you. Mark Gilbo | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 02-2006 |
James Truthseeker To Vestri; That earlier post you quoted from me was in fact about the time when I first started calling him Gilgamesh and speculated him as been Gilgamesh. It appears you did not catch what I meant in that post. When I said "POW!, I run right into the guy", I actually meant I was via coincidence suddenly introduced to the guy VIA PHONE while been skeptical of the whole thing. I did not mean I met this guy in person at that time. Not then nor now. oh I see/understand now what you meant there James. You suddenly run/bumped into the guy via the telephone. Sorry about my misunderstanding there. BTW what are you doing in the same sentence talking about what he looks like if your supposed to be on the phone to him??  James Truthseeker "Greetings Scott and Peter, Gilgamesh, yes that be the guy I'm talking about and the funny thing is, about 2 or 3 years ago I was some-what skeptical of his existence and then all of a sudden POW!, I run right into the guy, or at least someone who very much RESEMBLES HIM in almost every-way I can think of. And quite the story he has indeed...." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6988.html#POST22352 | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Michael and all Just wanted to make clear that it was I who posted the picture of the person in question holding the crystal ball. James had posted it in PAR a few months ago and it was I who took it from there and posted it here in the forum. I wholeheartedly apologise if this has caused any sort of trouble or inconvenience. Salome ashwin | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Dave, I'm glad to hear others wondered the same thing as I did when reading that bit about Semjase beaming that guy up into her ship just (Billy) to see if he would be truthful and own up about hoaxing the Moon landing. I mean what the point/benefit of doing that when the P's already knew Apollo 11 was a hoax. There was no need/benefit at all to do that, and about the only thing it could have done is bring that man longterm emotional/pyschological problems, which is something the P's have always taken great care in the past not to do to any Earth humans. Its strange because its pointless and also against their protocols. I can only assume that there must more to that story then just what is written there. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 327 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi all, Makes me wonder about Samjase beaming the Apollo 11 hoaxer on board when she has said they will never take anyone on board but Billy because our vibrations are very detrimental to them. Something doesn't gel there. Either they can be in our presence without suffering terribly or they can't. Also wasn't she once in the presence of Adamski confronting him about his "lies"? Looks to me like they can be in our presence if they want, but they just don't want...98% of the time. Cpl | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi CPL I would agree, it’s difficult to imagine Semjase undertaking this endeavour of deliberately beaming aboard another terrestrial human for a physical face to face contact even if it is in relation to an extremely important albeit extremely deceitful and dangerous event in our history and apparently will remain so , but then again the Ps are many thousands of years ahead of us technologically and ahead by many millions of years spiritually, that it is very difficult (at least for me) to understand their modus operandi and logic in this instance. From what I have been reading, the Ps can protect themselves (their auric vibrations) from our “vibrations” by advanced means, so a terrestrial human in their company would not cause a problem to them in this regard, likewise, the same protective device they wear also protects us from their highly evolved auric vibrations, from what I understand no such protective devices are necessary by the Ps and allied ET races when Billy is in their presence. Coincidentally I just happened to be reading Guido’s excellent book today, “And Still They Fly” second edition, where on page 42 under the heading “Thought Analyzer” Guido states… “The thoughts of a person appear on the screen by means of electromagnetic waves in the form of symbols, which have a meaning that must be interpreted. With the thought analyzer, it is not only possible to accurately read the thoughts from the material consciousness, but to also lure the hidden secrets out of the material subconscious. In this way, the true character of an individual can be recognized because hidden thoughts, among other things, emerge from the subconscious as well, and are brought to light. In restriction to this, though, I must mention that the Pleiadians only venture into the depths of the material subconscious in special cases”. This description alone by Guido I thought would be sufficient to get to the bottom of things by the Ps under strict protocols and guide lines; in this I would think to be a special case without beaming this particular person aboard their craft. We must also look at additional information which may throw some light onto why Semjase would undertake beaming this person aboard. On page 84 of Guido’s book it states… “When the Pleiadians establish contact with earth people, they only do so based on the advice of the High Council, which unequivocally states that they may only establish physical contact with Billy for the time being. Although they would be justified not to heed this directive, in accordance with their own free will, as a rule, they chose to follow it. When they realized and understood the necessity of heeding this advice, they tried to fulfil it as much as possible”. OK we know the Ps are human and make mistakes, they have free will and apply judgements based on their level of evolution, was this incident therefore a misjudgement on their part and they choose not to apply the High Councils advice in this instance? From my understandings of Billy’s/FIGUs material the Ps and their allies have our best interests to mind and undertake many actions that they feel necessary to complete. The High Council have offered advice and indeed a warning about the Apollo 11 hoax to the Ps, then to Billy and FIGU and then to us, so it’s a very serious situation indeed and I think the Ps are doing their damn best for us in this regard and I for one am thankful to them. I would agree with Vestri because I too believe there is a lot more to this story that can be publically revealed, at least for the present. BTW, this Apollo 11 hoax has my head spinning; this is difficult for me as an amateur astronomer and space enthusiast to accept, it’s like the proverbial beating the square peg into the round hole, I guess I just need to be beat some more to recognize the truth . Mike | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1352 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi CPL, I believe it was Asket who appeared in front of George Adamski with Billy. Scott | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Cpl, as Scott said, it was Asket with Billy in Muenchen, Germany, who appeared in front of Adamski after one of his lectures there. Elsa Schroder also met Semjase in 1975 in Zahedran, Iran. Plejarens can walk among us [without suffering], if they have their protective devices turned on. Salome, Dejan | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 328 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Mike and Scott, Thanks for your informed input Mike, which makes a little more sense of it. Except if they can cloak all human negative vibrations why is meeting other humans an issue of safety, as they have often claimed? Maybe it's their attempt at a polite put down or refusal? It brings up many interesting questions, one being: Was the advice not to contact humans given to the Ps by the High Council partly because it was known that Semjase was at grave risk of a severe accident in relation to a contact of some kind with another human, which actually happened? As you say, "we are all human" and sometimes telling the whole truth (and not keeping a little back) is just not the best policy, if great problems will then result. Now that you mention it Scott, I seem to remember reading it was Asket rather than Samjase in front of Adamski. Thanks. cpl | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 05-2007 |
Why did Asket and Billy meet with Adamski. Also why would Semjase meet Elsa Schroder. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Dave Semjase didn't meet Elsa Schroder per se. If you recall the incident when Asket's people, the Timurs, were trying out one of their new technology; to "teleport" things from their universe (DAL universe) to our universe (DERN universe) without having to use the "barrier". But then the object with which they tested to "teleport", a small disc, ended up in a dessert in Iran. So Semjase went over to retrieve it for them. But then while she was doing so Elsa Schroder happens to see her. Then if i believe Semjase tells her not to tell anyone about her else they would think she was mad. And later on i think Elsa wrote a letter to Billy stating all this. Salome ashwin PS - i guess i haven't got it all right, so more informed members please do pool in | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 160 Registered: 02-2000 |
Billy and Asket "met" (or rather surprised and shocked) Adamski in Zurich, after he (Adamski) had held a lecture in the "Volkshaus". The entire event can be read in "Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktgespräche", Vol. 9, pages 75 and 76. The story about Else Schröder speaking with Semjase can be found in "PPK" Vol 1, pages 238-240. You may also find/read a copy of Else's letter. The reason why Billy and Asket met Adamski was the fact that Adamski had produced all of his fantastic story based on models and his fantasy. After the lecture/show, Billy wanted to confront him with the truth, and when Asket appeared "out from nowhere", Adamski was shocked and confessed his false actions, but he had not the courage to confess to the public that all of his claims were fraud and lies, just to get famous and being able to travel around the world. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 941 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Well, I guess it would sound Logical enough for Semjase and Billy to want to obtain the answer concerning about the Apollo 11 hoax...right - for the Horse's Mouth -! And obtaining it Physically, and as "Physical Proof". I see no problem in that. There is nothing better than Physical Proof, in this/such matter (after all: it is concerning the Lie/Fraud Of The Millennium; and it concerns All Humanity, to obtain this knowledge!). And now, telling it years later, to use all, it("Physical Proof") is More Effective, than to just read about it from the point of view that it was only observed and recorded, without the Physical Proof. "Physical Proof" IS Concrete Proof; stands like a Wall! Thus, Semjase and Billy did an excellent job by also Confirming it all with Physical Proof. And of course, Billy and Semjase protected themselves very good and properly, against Ernst Stuhlinger lower evolution vibration(and imagine the/his panic vibes...etc...even!), which would speak for itself; thus, they knew better. So, Billy and Semjase did a splendid job, I would say! Edward. | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2006 |
Christian can you say more about Dr Stuhlinger and his experience with the P's. Salome Pudd | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 161 Registered: 02-2000 |
No, I can't. All I know is the information from the Contact Notes. | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2006 |
Dear Christian, in my previous post I wrote Muenchen instead of Zurich. My mistake, sorry for that. Thank you for the correction. All the best. Salome, Dejan | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 05-2007 |
Sirashwin and Christian thanks for the info. | ||
Borthwey New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2007 |
The rule of "no contact with humans" must have an exception for the biggest and smartest deceivers, who fool the whole world and can keep the factual truth for themselves in all ocasions. One the one hand, it must be personally rewarding for Semjase and Billy to watch their reaction and surprise, and on the other, they are so capable of living a truth that no one else knows of, that they assuredly won't go crazy with the knowledge that extraterrestrial humans exist, or desire to say anything to anyone about their experience. | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2007 |
Planets Found Forming in the Pleiades Star Cluster "As you gaze up at the familiar Pleiades star cluster, here's something new you can think about. Planets recently collided around two of the stars in the cluster, kicking up vast clouds of dust. New worlds are being formed, and destroyed, right before our very eyes. At least, if you've got the help from some of the most powerful telescopes on Earth, and in space". "It's believed that these dust particles, the building blocks of planets, accumulate into comets and asteroid-size bodies and then clump together into larger and larger objects. This is a violent process, though. Some objects get bigger, and others collide, shattering into dust that astronomers can detect". http://www.universetoday.com/2007/11/14/planets-found-forming-in-the-pleiades-star-cluster/ Salome Mike | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Members, "Kolonel" Karl Korff is such a fool!!! I am talking in reffernce to his absurd site, criticalthinkers.org. He writes, "What is CriticalThinkers.org? “To help the human race.” CriticalThinkers is a global meta-organization consisting of over 200 alliance partners. CriticalThinkers does three things: 1. Conducts entirely original research. 2. Finishes research left incomplete or unresolved by others. 3. Examines existing issues, then implements original solutions. The results of CriticalThinkers efforts, now more than 600 projects and operations, are always eventually released in the form of products and/or services designed to empower people to ultimately decide issues for themselves." If a person who does not know Korff or Billy happens to see this site, will say "Hey, this site is good, it says it will solve all unsolved mystries, how cool" What this person does not know is that he is going down the drain, and degenerating himself by knowing things which are untrue. Korff even happens to have "a hall of shame" From his site: "The KKK Hall of Shame This section exposes the claims of our so-called "kritics" who are members of the KKK. The KKK in THIS case, as it pertains to this Web site only, is an acronym for Kal Korff's Kritics. In order to qualify to be a member enshrined in the KKK Hall of Shame, you have to have done either one or more of the following: 1. Deceive the public in one or more ways 2. Are unobjective and incompetent as a UFO "researcher" 2. Make false claims about UFOs and the various personalities who study them" The fool does'nt know anything himself and talks like he's a great researcher. Let me talk in reffernce to Billy and the Mission: He describes Billy and us like this: "In August and September of 1991, American Author, Broadcaster, Columnist and Investigative Journalist, Kal Korff, traveled secretly undercover and successfully penetrated the Satanic-based "UFO" cult of Eduard "Billy" Meier in Switzerland. Growing his hair and beard for over 1.5 years in order to fool the Meier cult members and disguise his appearance, Korff posed as "Steve Thomas" and visited the cult for three weeks. More importantly, Korff located ORIGINAL Meier photos which were made by Meier himself from his ORIGINAL film negatives, and then successfully DUPLICATED several of Meier's "UFO" photos at the SAME locations in Switzerland! Illustrated with more than 117 images/photos." "Satanic-group", what the hell is wrong with this guy?? He says he went and visited the "cult". Well 3 weeks is enough time to understand and know an organisation, he should have realised that time that we are not for any Devil worship or foolish things like that, we are for peace and understanding of our own spirit. But what will this fool understand, for all you know he may start a new "research" to proove that spirits do not exist. He has no respect for people, how shabilly he described Billy, and does'nt even call people by their right names. He calls Michael Horn, Mikey Horn. By this you must have understood how "serious" the guy is in his work. Salome Aditya | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2007 |
Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people seem bright until you hear them speak. #Author Unknown. Salome Mike | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Aditya, >> "Kolonel" Karl Korff is such a fool!!!" << You have made some very good observations regarding the fraud that has been perpetrated by Karl Korff and his dis-information buddies. Consider that this bunch of liars is probably funded and encouraged by the hidden U.S black-ops structure of the military-industrial complex, you get an idea of why they lie as they do. The black-ops has numerous projects which they are back-engineering from various extra-terrestrial technologies for military uses. This bunch has got funding in the TRILLIONS of dollars for all their projects, all of which is without congressional oversight, and completely without knowledge or control of the executive branch of government. Look to Area-51, to Dulce, New Mexico (underground bases), and the collusion of some of the most prestigious laboratories and manufactures in the country. These include names like AT&T, GE, Bell Labs, Lawrence-Livermore Labs, Fairchild Industries, Rockwell / Teledyne, and others, to name just a few. You begin here to get an idea of the extent of the conspiracy and cover-up going on, and this since the early 1950's to the present. Karl Korff represents just the tip of the iceberg. The grand cover-up has gone so far as to commit murders to keep their secrets. Dig deeper, if you can, what you may find is shocking and quite revealing. I might suggest the book "DISCLOSURE" by author Steven Greer, as a good starting place. Two additional good ones are "EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE" by Richard Collins, and "TOP SECRET/MAJIC" by Stanton Friedman. Dr. Greer has written in a recent newsletter: >> "The reasons for the secrecy are simple: The inertia of highly classified programs, embarrassment over past illegal actions taken to enforce secrecy, and the fact that the energy and propulsion systems behind the mysterious UFO objects have been studied and fully understood. This disclosure would spell the end for oil, gas, coal and other conventional forms of power - and with that, the end of the current oil-based geopolitical order and economy. The truth is our tax dollars have been used to investigate this matter for decades and it is time for a dividend on that investment. The full disclosure of the facts will enable humanity to attain a sustainable civilization without global warming or the need for oil. Recent calls for a US government investigation into UFOs have not taken into account the fact that such investigations are on-going, highly compartmented and top-secret. Dr. Greer states, "As early as 1993, when I personally briefed CIA Director James Woolsey on the UFO matter, we knew of on-going, secret projects to which President Clinton and Mr. Woolsey were denied access. The senior counsel for the Senate Appropriations Committee, then headed by Senator Byrd (D-WV) told me directly that upwards of $100 billion per year was going into so-called 'black' projects, including UFO programs, but that with a top-secret clearance and a subpoena power, he could not penetrate the veil of secrecy." << SALOME Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Mike, >> "Planets Found Forming in the Pleiades Star Cluster" << As you may be aware, The Plejarens come from a system just beyond the Pleiades star cluster which is shifted forward "in time" a few seconds from our current space-time dimension. The Pleiades themselves, are a fairly new cluster of relatively new-born stars, numbering in the hundreds. They are only a few million years since their creation, and the radiation there is yet too intense to sustain life. Give them yet a few million more years, then we may go there and colonize the lush new planets forming. Let's sign-up for tickets now, by then we shouldn't need "money" to go. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Aditya, You are right! Karl Korff is a liar and an idiot. A friend of mine let me have a look at his copy of that KK "underground video" and I couldn't believe how much lying and fooling nonsense Karl Korff was saying in it. One example is in the video it shows Karl arriving at Figu center and filming some small garden plants and saying that here is the proof of where Billy gets his miniture plants for hoaxing his UFO photos/clips. But who doesn't have small plants in their garden? He had no solid proof or evidence whatsoever to base any of his ridiculous claims that the Meier case is a hoax. So he just distorted and lied about everything. It/he was a joke! Karl Korrf is a liar and an idiot! | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 02-2006 |
There is a excellent new movie that just came out recently which can be seen as having a little likeness to the Gilgamesh story. I thought it was one of the best Science Fiction films I ever seen.  The Man from Earth (2007) Plot - "An impromptu goodbye party for Professor John Oldman becomes a mysterious interrogation after the retiring scholar reveals to his colleagues he is an immortal who has walked the earth for 14,000 years. Acclaimed Sci-Fi writer Jerome Bixby conceived this story back in the early 1960's. It would come to be his last great work, finally completing it on his deathbed in April of 1998" The reviews for this film were all 5 stars. Here is a couple. "Finally, a thinking-person's sci-fi movie, Critics are praising "Man From Earth" as "the film that restores dignity to science fiction." I agree wholeheartedly. "Star Trek" and "Twilight Zone" certainly haven't survived the test of time on the dazzle of their special effects, but rather on the merit of their ideas, their stories, their characters. Lately, science fiction has become a victim of hardware, computer graphics. Big screen video games for the A.D.D. crowd. "Man From Earth" however, reminds the viewer what it is to THINK. Not to stuff your brain in the back pocket and veg out, but to watch a movie and to THINK.............." "An Amazing Sci-Fi Fantasy! I recently had the opportunity to view Man From Earth at the Comic-Con Film Festival, and it was amazing. The Sci-Fi thriller goes places I've never dreamed of. The movie places the viewer in the backseat for a wild ride through history connecting it to the present. I was shocked at the ideal of a Cro-Magnum surviving until present day, and even more shocked how each professional almost validated the possibilities as the story unfolded. The most unique thing about the movie is who John Oldman has met, and has been (don't want to give it away, but he's been the most well known person alive) in his centuries of living, or who he could be in the future! This film is great for anyone who likes movies that challenges the norm! The movie bewilders the mind yet challenges the heart of our beliefs! This amazing Sci-Fi film pays great homage to the late and great Jerome Bixby! Anyone who is a fan most go see this film!........." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/ | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 05-2007 |
Vestri, Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 06:04 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Aditya, You are right! Karl Korff is a liar and an idiot. A friend of mine let me have a look at his copy of that KK "underground video" and I couldn't believe how much lying and fooling nonsense Karl Korff was saying in it. One example is in the video it shows Karl arriving at Figu center and filming some small garden plants and saying that here is the proof of where Billy gets his miniture plants for hoaxing his UFO photos/clips. But who doesn't have small plants in their garden? He had no solid proof or evidence whatsoever to base any of his ridiculous claims that the Meier case is a hoax. So he just distorted and lied about everything. It/he was a joke! Karl Korrf is a liar and an idiot! I guess he was filming the small vegetable/fruit garden they have in front of the trail that leads to the center right. I guess Billy uses lettuce as miniture tree's for his videos. When I visited the center I don't recall seeing any miniture tree's and I toured the entire grounds top to bottom during my week there. The only thing I saw while there besides the abundant Swiss mountains/forest which are just awesome to look at and walk around in were lettuce, some other vegetable plants probably potatoes or something and ofcourse tons of those small plants you can buy at stores, no miniture Fir tree's or miniture Pines anywhere to be seen. Out of curiosity what else did he do in the video. Did he go beyond the little garderns in the front. I can't beleive Kal calls FIGU a ''santanic cult'' after spending 3 weeks there! by reading some of the stuff he writes it sounds like he never even visited the place. Instead of running around the place doing nothing besides getting little dirt samples and spying around the center in camouflage clothes he should have sat down in the kitchen and talked to some of the members who would be more than happy to share some of there stories. I remember reading one of his ''heroic'' journeys into the Meier cult once. Kal wanted to spy around the place at night so that no one would spot him. So he got one of his buddys to acompany him to have someone as backup just incase they spot him and release Billy's ''vicious dogs'' as he likes to call the non existent animals or worse Billy would send his gun men after him. So what he did was he dressed up in camouflage gear/clothes and left his freind waiting in the car. When he got there Kal said he had to climb over a fence completely covered in barbed wire /i guess he meant the 1 foot tall garden fence/ after that he had to creep down so that Meier's gun men wouldn't hear him and don't forget he also had to be carefull of not to disturb the attack dogs. He got the little dirt samples he wanted then he walked around some non existent peice of land where he says Billy has his guest house /maybe he saw Bernadettes house which is infront of the center by the way and not in some feild/. After all that he lurked around the house and found a shed which he said he opened to investigate what was inside, when he opened it he couldn't beleive his eyes, he saw all types of weapons from hand guns to rifles and all sorts of other guns, he even claimed to have seen bombs in that shed! He must have opened one of those sheds they have in the back filled with farming equipment such as pich forks, snow plows, shovels, ect.. after all these shocking discoveries he tried to leave before they spotted him. I think he said that they saw him and the dogs chased him and he had to jump over the fence as fast as he could or some stupid thing like that to get away. That is just another of Kals stories to try to make Billy look bad. | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi Jrod_7 Many thanks for the clarification in post 19. I was wondering when someone would pick me up on this ! I should have clarified my post with additional information in the sense that I am aware of the current stellar evolution of the Pleiades that contain mostly hot young stars; spectral types A / B, some stars are much more massive / luminous than our middle aged Sun (there are also some stellar anomalies in there as well), therefore I thought the information was interesting to post as astronomers can now image proto-planetary disks forming, much the same what happened in our solar system billions of years ago. Some astronomers think that our Sun may have formed within a similar system of stars that have perhaps now dispersed throughout the galaxy! Interestingly when I first came across the contacts of Billy Meier in 1979 I was intrigued, until I read that the human aliens came from a planet in the Pleiades star cluster, well that put me off completely, being aware at the time as an amateur astronomer that these groupings of stars are not suitable by any means for an advanced civilization to have evolved to a high technical / spiritual level, my thoughts was that Mr. Meier was another wannabe contactee that also happened to have an uncanny knack of faking great photos / film. Then other people started to claim contact with the same beings from the same system of stars! I also looked at one of Billy’s photos that “GSW” analysed showing a wire attached to the dome of one of the craft near a tree, I guess that was the final nail in the coffin as the saying goes (of course I am now aware to some extent the malicious intrigues behind this). Well oh stupid me, here I am many years later regretting not hanging in there and doing my own research for the truth and to follow this case more in depth! From my understanding (fragmented memory) did Billy announce in a bulletin in 1995 that the Pleiadians were not in fact Pleiadians at all and that they did not live on a planet as part of the Pleiades star cluster and is just as you said in post 19, thus exposing all the frauds, delusional people for what they are, the Ps would appear to be very clever people indeed in working with Billy in their plan all those decades ago, it would appear the “Plausible Deniability” factor is a protection factor for them and for us until the people form Terra are really ready for all of this. I must echo what you said J_Rod7, I too cannot emphasise enough the importance of the “Disclosure Project” as a means of brining the reality of visitation / interaction of other non-terrestrial people to the people of this planet and to highlight the criminal activities of those known and unknown in their power, greed and disgraceful scant regard to the general populace of this planet on this very subject. We are talking about the same criminals that would like to see Billy six feet under! Salome Mike | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 05-2007 |
Has Greer ever acknowledged Billy's case. If he has what has he said about him. I have never heard a statement from Greer regarding Billy. I emailed Greer a few months back asking him what he thinks about the case and I haven't received a reply yet. Either he is very busy which is probably the case or he just doesn't want to comment. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 07-2007 |
 This is "Kolonel" Kal Korff. Gaiaguys state: "He was never in the REAL armed forces, so why the outfit? What an insult to those of us who REALLY wore the uniform!" Salome Aditya | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi “The_original_dave” The answers you seek is in my opinion long and complicated, perhaps it would require a new discussion thread in itself! You may find answers to some of the questions you ask on Dyson and Vivienne’s website, “Gaiaguys”. Please view these links as a matter of interest regarding some background information… http://www.gaiaguys.net/disclosureisrael.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/CSETIneedstoknow.htm (looking forward to part 2) Salome Mike | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 05-2007 |
HAHHAHHAHA Kal pretending to be a soldier. I seriously cracked up when I saw that pic. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Original_Dave And Warmest Greetings to all, Dave, in response to: >> "Has Greer ever acknowledged Billy's case. ... haven't received a reply yet. Either he is very busy ... or he just doesn't want to comment." << You correctly state that he doesn't want to comment. Dr. Greer KNOWS that Billy Meier and the on-going contacts with the Plejarens IS GENUINE. But for him, for his organization CSETI, and especially for the direction of the Disclosure Project = the case is too much of a "hot potato". There has been so much negative dis-information already spread on Billy and the mission, that for Greer it could be considered as "guilt by association", and counter-productive to his goals of disclosure. The Gaiaguys are Dyson and Vivienne, who are residents in Australia. Vivienne is a Passive Member of FIGU. The Gaiaguys were associated with the Disclosure Project for some considerable time. However, in 2005, Greer officially "booted" them out of project membership to further distance himself and the project from the "hot potato". This because Dyson and Vivienne were pushing hard for Greer to INCLUDE the Meier case in the project agenda. Dyson and Viv still support the goals of the Disclosure Project, despite Greer's sudden "cold shoulder". The following excerpts and quotes are taken from a letter which Vivienne wrote to Greer AND posted on their website at www.gaiaguys.net. To read the entire letter in context, go to this website homepage, scroll down about 1/3rd or 2/5th of the page and find the section titled "What is happening to the Disclosure Project?". At the bottom of that small section, is a link to the letter. The link reads "PLEASE read why gaiaguys DOES strongly urge the spreading of the Disclosure Project testimony, but does NOT support CSETI". Just click on this link/statement and the complete letter will open. The letter also includes some of the conversations Billy had with the Plejarens regarding this matter. Excerpts: >> In seeking the co-operation of government officials and patriotic retired U.S. servicemen and women in revealing the nature of the covert UFO related projects, it is easy to understand that it would seem pragmatic to avoid the Meier case. For a start, the Meier case cannot be honestly publicized without acknowledging the Plejaren extraterrestrials’ strident criticisms of the Earth’s most powerful political leaders and scientists, not to mention all the world’s religions. Dr Greer and his CSETI team have opted for a diplomatic approach to both UFO/ET disclosure, and attempting to form personal relationships with extraterrestrial visitors. This diplomatic approach is intended to contrast the paranoid, militaristic and hostile approach reportedly being secretly implemented by The Powers That Be. But the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence takes its non-confrontational approach to the extent that truth about real extraterrestrials is being obstructed. The very humane and peace-loving Plejaren and their Federation take a humane, and loving approach, but not a diplomatic one, because diplomacy amounts to dishonesty, and ultimately it only serves to trivialize and obstruct the truth – and the appropriate response to the true state of affairs here on Earth. The Plejaren have provided necessarily honest, harsh messages that offend many Earth humans. Their criticism of the United States and its leaders, while not isolated, is particularly strident. << And further: >> Steven Greer makes the good point in his writing that it is a mistake to demonize or to deify extraterrestrials. This view is totally shared by the Plejaren extraterrestrials who report all kinds of different beings in the universe and in our galaxy, who are neither devils nor saints, nor supernatural, and should certainly not be worshipped as gods. << >> Considering the anti-ET propaganda being generated by certain powers on Earth, determined to provoke further war at any cost, and evidence of hoaxed ET events, Greer’s is likely a sensible reaction to that extreme view. But, as he so well expresses in his excellent article DDT (Decoy, Distract and Trash), good disinformation contains a dose of truth to make it more likely to be swallowed. While extraterrestrials are neither devils nor saints, the Plejaren do report the former existence here of a group of bloodthirsty, vengeful, extraterrestrial Humans, a malicious splinter group from an ancient previous civilization on Earth, who did indeed have major, long term plans for world domination and, over the millennia, covertly used any means available to them to try to achieve it - from their base deep below the pyramids of Giza. << >> This massive, solid, well-established case, <referring> to which no other case or combination of cases compares, is not considered of prime importance in the inquiries of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. It is not reasonable to suggest that it’s because of the success of savage debunking efforts of opponents which began in the 70s, because the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence has itself revealed compelling, corroborated evidence through its Disclosure Project that genuine ET events have been subject, across the board, to concerted, organized debunking and ridicule campaigns. << >> Dr Greer claims that some ufologists are themselves employed to spread disinformation which serves the ruling powers, and that the media have employees among them who are also actively involved in the cover-up. There certainly has been sophisticated interference with some of Meier’s evidence - slides stolen, films cut, false photos mixed in with the genuine ones to discredit Meier, and lies fabricated. There has been a massive effort on the part of people like Kal K. Korff to discredit the case, although when subjected to scrutiny, as it has been by Joroen Jansen as well as Professor James Deardorff, his work is shown up as a tissue of lies. << Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Mike, I also share an interest in amateur astronomy. The scope I use is an Orion StarMax 127mm EQ. This is a Maksutov-Cassegrain, with effective focal length of 1540mm, at a ratio of f/12.1. This has given me some good views of the Pleiades, the Orion Nebula, and the trinary stars of Polaris, among others. Seems that many star systems form as binaries, some as trinaries, and even these also are found to have planets. Here is a link to a very unusual newborn star at 1,140 light-years distant. Click on the photo to get an enlargement. http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/Media/happenings/20071108/ Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 05-2007 |
Thanks for the reply J Rod. It really is a shame that Greer opted not to add Billy's case to the project. I think Billy's case could have helped out the project in many ways. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 05-2007 |
Mike, thanks for the reply and ofcourse the links. Salome | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Aditya, And warmest Greetings to All, Aditya, I have left a post for your attention over in the Forum: >>The Spiritual Teachings >> Spiritual Life In Everyday Life < (Well, In truth, anyone may read it, also) Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 948 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Vestri and All.... Which motion picture that has always made an impression on me was, even still today, is: "The Man Who Fell To Earth". From 1976, with no one other than David Bowie in the leading role. Based on the novel by Walter Tevis, The Man Who Fell to Earth is a story about an alien who travels to Earth to get water for his drought-surrounding home planet. Upon his trip, he carries patents for inventions that would revolutionize the world as he would be rich with the help of a businessman while meeting a simple-minded small town woman and a cynical professor where his stay would lead to corruptive substances, betrayal, and alienation. Plot: Thomas Jerome Newton (David Bowie) falls down to Earth as he walks down a mountain and later into a small town. Claiming to be from England and selling his wedding ring for $20, Newton later finds himself with loads of money as he is drawn by a river as he drinks its water. Newton then comes to New York City where he meets a business lawyer named Oliver Farnsworth (Buck Henry). Newton reveals to Farnsworth several patents that would revolutionize the world. Reluctantly, Farnsworth takes Newton's patents and immediately, the world is shocked by the new innovations that Newton and Farnsworth's new company World Enterprises has been making. One of those people amazed by a camera with film that is developed after its shot (a precursor to digital cameras) is a cynical, college professor named Nathan Bryce (Rip Torn). Later on in the film he attracts the attention of the government, and they are out to get him! And what they do to him: surely, Gilgamesh does not want to experience such confrontation! This YOU should SEE for yourselves! This IS a MUST SEE! Edward.      | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 948 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Aditya.... Yes, very perceptive of you! Karl Korff, trying to impersonate a "Hippie": goes to show HOW FALSE HE...HIMSELF, IS! Indeed, very Narrow Minded...of him to just stay for 3 weeks or so, and than come to the most Infantile Ignoramus Narrow Minded conclusion! Well, him calling the Meier Case "Satanic": well, if we look at how Karl Looked at the time: One would say that he was one of the (SATANIC) Charles Manson Bunch! JUST AS CRAZY!!! So, I think, he should look at himself, first. HOW FAKE....can one get! Edward. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hollo Aditya, And Warmest Greetings to All, Aditya, I have posted yet another response for your attention in the Forum >> The Spiritual Teachings >> Spiritual Life in Everyday Life << ( Again, of course, anyone else also may read, if you choose ). Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Edward, thanks for letting me know about that film. Sounds very much like the type of film I like watching. I will definitely get it next time down at the video shop. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 03-2007 |
Since a comparison of the movie, The Man From Earth, has been made to the Gilgamesh character by Vestri, I thought other similarities within the Meier material might be interesting to note. In the plot, the main character of the film, John Oldman, reveals in a farewell gathering with his friends, that he has lived on Earth for 14,000 years. One of the more interesting stories he shares is how he attempted to update the teachings of Buddha to the times of the Roman Empire but was crucified for it. Thus, he is a composite character with Jmmanuel. He explained to his friends, that during the crucifixion he blocked the pain as he had learned to do in Tibet and India. He also learned to slow his body processes down to the point where they were undetectable. They thought he was dead so his followers pulled him from the cross, placed him in a cave and his body normalized as he had trained it to. Sound familiar? He attempted to go away undetected but some devotees were standing watch. He tried to explain but they were ecstatic. And so, the resurrection story began. The discussion also delves into the various origins of the Jesus mythologies, including one as a benevolent alien. The Christ figure goes all the way back to Krishna. Even Hercules (Heracles) who was born of a virgin, Alcmene, with a god for a father, Zeus, was known variously as, ”The only begotten”, the savior, the good shepherd, the Prince of Peace, bringing gentle persuasion and divine wisdom. He died joining his father on Olympus - 1,000 years before Gethsemane. John also explains the evolution of the name Jesus as starting with the Hebrew Yehoshua, meaning, “Yahweh (Jehovah) is Salvation”. In the translation, it became a proper name changing to late Greek, Ihsous, then to the late Latin, Iesus and finally to the medieval Latin, Jesus. As the evening progresses, he laments organized religion explaining Heaven and Hell were pedaled so a priest could rule through seduction and terror to save our souls that we never lost in the first place. John’s friends are not sure how to take these revelations and after a quick study of their fragile human psyches, he decides to give them a way out, by declaring he had made up the whole story. Though some still believed his story to be real because of circumstantial evidence. Regards Bob | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Bob, its pretty good the way it makes you think about other possible senarios that could have happened and been behind some those historical events (Jesus, ect). We all know here what really happened behind all those events because we know the Meier case, but its a good film for those people that don't as its gives makes them think. I like the way the film gave a rational/sensible explanation and played down all those hyped up historical/religous events. Did you watch the film or just read an extended review/plot of the film because that guy did something at the end of the film which showed/proved to the others in the film that he wasn't making the whole story up. | ||
Whappybugger Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Everyone, I dont post very often, but I hope that I make sense... As we all know - we are about to have a global disaster where money is going to be worthless thanks to corruption and inflation. But at the same time we will have global government. With this shift, in power of the populations of the world moving to fewer people, that want to bring us into a feudal age - that of masters and slaves. From my experience with the contact notes and spiritual side of things; we do need a global government, but the system needs to change, the paranoia, the media, attitudes of everyday people, any improvement always held back by local and national governments. How when everybody is driven to sheer survival, technology implants for mind control etc, can we truly defend what is for everyone with a soul. Any peace protests are ignored, and heavily policed, China for example, a country where noone can do anything. How can these people possibly defend themselves and fight for everything? As much as the plejaren are watching over us, and trying help us, I feel they could do much more and benefit the soul. I wouldnt want to see the people in power avenged, but I would want them to fully understand the changes they make to the way a person lives. I'd want them to understand that they are responsible for holding back the human race. Am I completely wrong? | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 177 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Vestri, Yes, I have seen the movie and have a copy of it. I know what you are referring to and I did not want to give away the ending. ;-) But if you recall, there were only two people left remaining with John when that revelation came to light, the others had already left. One of the two had a heart attack and died that night because of the shock while the other one ran off with John to start a new life elsewhere. Regards Bob | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 958 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Whapperbuggy.... Welcome to the FIGU board! Your postings are always welcome, like-wise! Well, concerning your: As much as the plejaren are watching over us, and trying help us, I feel they could do much more and benefit the soul. Well, Whapper, Billy has brought us The Teachings of The Laws Of Nature And CREATION, and WE...as Individual Human Beings, should Examine and Study these Teachings to it's Thoroughness, and Understand and Comprehend it, as much as possible, and Adapt this - Way Of BEING - within our everyday daily lives. NO Plejarans, or Godhead, or Guru, or Saint, and so forth, can change the world we are living in! WE...as a Collective Source of LIFE, should(must) Manifest ourselves, in a way, that WE Collectively Overwin...the Negative Influences and Manifestations surrounding us: it be the Corrupted Presidents, or others in government officials; WE...OURSELVES....HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS....with our -, Common-Sense, Logic and Reason -! And NOT done by the Plejarans; or whom ever. To Benefit One's Spirit (Soul being Erroneous interpretation): One has to Study the Spiritual Teachings which is brought anew to us all by Bill; DO like-wise, and than One is indeed...by Oneself - Benefiting One's Spirit -; and One's surroundings! WE/YOU, have to DO this YOURSELF! Not the Plejarans or whom ever. So, the Plejarans have done More than enough, for us Earthly human beings, VIA... Billy! The rest: WE/YOU have to do our/yourself. To Evolve: One must LEARN....through Experience. Through Experience, One gains Insight, and Understanding and Knowledge, and further One gains Wisdom! And Striving, Constantly...to Perfect(ion)....even: Him/Her-self. Through the mentioned One can accomplish his goal in life, which is to (co)exist in Harmony and Peace, and even in Equilibrium, with his fellow man; and thus, perhaps, in it's Collectiveness. The above mentioned Achievements, can only be accomplished by MAN himself. Again: as an Individual or as within a Collectiveness. Pleasant Studying..... Edward. | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2004 |
If you have not seen the documentary Zeitgeist, then prepare yourself for a real treat. From the film: "Christianity, along all other theistic belief systems, is the fraud of the age. It serves to detach the species from the natural world, and likewise, each other. It supports blind submission to authority, it reduces human responsibility to the effect that God controls everything, and it turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of divine pursuit. And most importantly: it empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and it serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish..." You can view for free on google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=1274&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 Part 1 deals with Christianity, Part 2 with 9/11, and Part 3 with the Federal Reserve/banking fraud. It takes a few minutes to get going, but well worth the wait. The official site: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com | ||
Whappybugger Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello Edward, First of all it was Whappybugger, and thanks for your reply, However it came accross to me was rather patronising with your BLOCK CAPTIALS. The point I was trying to make, is how can a collective group of people manifest such a change in China for example? When any form rebellion is intantly quashed. How can these people free themselves? When the knowledge of meditation and spiritual (falun gong) lesson, sends you to a forced labour camp, for organ transplants. That was what I was asking. No amount my Meditation energy would be able to free these people, or even help. I am not being negative, I am just finding that is pretty impossible for these people to become a collective when they are seperated, dumbed down and degenerated through no fault of there own, put still have all that inifinite potential bottled up. I agree with you that I need to study the spirit lessons, and know that nothing is impossible, but if someone could really answer how we all as collective can you overthrow those people in power, peacefully by meditating. Yes I know when you get 3000 people meditating together things happen. But when that many people cannot get together what else can you do. The plejaren have exiled Giza intelligenses, so why dont they exile those that are stopping the human journey. I was not using the term plejaren as GOD or anything else. From my understanding they are nothing more than brothers, or cousins. When you usually have a problem you discuss with your family the human race... How we stop all this bondage. Like a policeman arresting somebody caught with a billion people in his basement subject to torture etc. I am sure if the the chinese population saw a spaceship, with a human from the future talking sense reason and logic to them, they would be more than happy to listen and get themselves back on track. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Whappybugger, One must first understand what they are doing wrong first, they must understand in what way they are slowing their evolution, only then can they take proper and planned action. This should imply to the Chinese people, if that is what you wanted. Salome Aditya | ||
Seeker Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2007 |
Does anyone think it possible, in lieu of recent discoveries on enterprisemission.com about the 'lunar surface' photos being doctored and with potential structures, that the moon itself, that scientists today admit is unique and strange in it's formation, a piece of the ancient planet, malona or phaeton, that Billy says was blown to bits and turned into the asteroid belt swapping places with Mars? | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hi Whappybugger, To be honest, we can't do anything for the Chinese, they have to help themselves out of their own misery. They made the bed they sleep on, they have to clean it as well. The only thing we can do is communicate with them and share ideas and knowledge outside of their own understanding and culture. Technology is changing the very fabric of the Chinese gov't because in order to deal and trade with other countries it was imperative for them to improve their infrastructure. Fortunately for the people of China, their improved infrastructure will lead to the downfall of communism in China or a much more milder form of it. ""Wait til they have their first revolt by their employees on working conditions... Its going to come much faster than America's did."" The best thing the chinese could do for themselves is to lower their population down to a respectable level. Most of their problems would be dramatically reduced. Mark Gilbo | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2007 |
Dolphin Suzy, Warmest Greetings, and welcome to the FIGU Forums. You are with friends here, and we are here for you. Your first post-message has fully awakened my sense of compassion. By way of my spirit, I reach out to you, to take your hand, to hold you, to give you comfort. You may cry, if you wish. Take some time. Inhale some good deep breaths of clean air. Let ALL the hurt be healed and release it. Keep breathing deeply until you are filled with a feeling of calm and peace. Yes, there some VERY NASTY people out about in the world. The pain and anguish that you feel as a result of whatever comes from the fake contactees, are feelings of your own creation. You are responsible for whatever you feel, and you are the one who must engage your own healing process. No one else can do this for you. We ARE here to help, offer guidance and suggestions, relate our own experiences, give listen to your concerns. The deceivers, liars, charlatans and fake ones in the world do this for their own puffed-up egos. They do this to attract attention to themselves. They do it to leech money out of peoples purses and pockets. Some even do this because they have an agenda from black-ops and spy programs of governments and industries. Most of us here recognize them for what they are, and choose to ignore them. They are no concern to those of us engaged in our spiritual growth and progress. I will close with a BIG HUG from my spirit for you. In Peace Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2007 |
Warmest Greetings All Hi-Yo Michael Horn > 'Hey Good Buddy, Got Yer Ears Up Tanite?' < (OLD CB-radio lingo, means= 'Hello, are you listening?). < Curious if you have had a chance to watch/read the interviews at www.projectcamelot.net .?.!.? And/or have you yet perused the information from the book "TOP SECRET/MAJIC" by the author Stanton T Friedman, Nuclear Physicist. (I am also trained in Nuclear Engineering, so he "speaks my 'lingo'"). Next, may I direct you to some information, which you should find VERY interesting.!.?.! If you choose (please), go to the website www.wingmakers.com > Intro Text. For an introduction to what the WingMakers is all about, read (print out a paper "hard copy") the eight chapters of the "Ancient Arrows Book". This is (obviously) a fictionalized version of the actual discovery of the chambers in New Mexico placed for humankind by the "FIRST SOURCE" (read: CREATION) about 1500 years ago. Then, for the REAL MEAT, read (again, print out a hard copy) the four interviews with Dr. Neruda. Pay particular attention to the FIRST interview, for reference to the J-rods. And, be sure to read all four interviews = fascinating material.! And DO let me know your opinion, after you have digested all this. And, of course, there is still yet more to come. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 330 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi J-rod7, Note the chamber discovery and the Neruda interviews may also be part of the myth. Neruda is a name that in recent times mythologically symbolizes The Messenger. The messenger in The Postman was called Neruda and the poet Neruda south of the US border was a messenger for the people down there, and Neruda is the messenger for the WingMakers bringing that information to the public domain. Just what is fact and fiction is really fascinating about the wingmakers material (WMM). BTW Michael knows of the WMM. You might be interested to know that James (assumed creator of WMM) has said the world teacher to reunite the religions (in as much as that can be done) will incarnate around the 2070-75 time frame (the proof of the soul/sprirt's existence coming in 2075-80) and that this person was formerly incarnated as the one known as "Jesus" in Christianity (see www.lyricus.org or Creator section of www.wingmakers.com with Q&A from James). I read this by James long before reading recently that Billy said he will reincarnate around that time frame to do just that. cpl Christopher P. lock (author of papers on wingmakers paintings) | ||
Johnnybalmain New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi there, I'm new to here and am seeking some answers. First I would like some information on some photos. I always come across the explanation for the flying dinasour photo saying it was copied from an old painting could someone show me where I can get facts on this please. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Seeker, No the moon is not part of the planet Malona. The moon was brought to earth by the destroyer comet (A very large comet which is bigger than even the earth). Before this our earth had 2 moons. I don't remember clearly, but i think it was because of the destroyer comet that the 2 moons were stripped from orbiting our planet, and this new one was put in its place. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Johnny, http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/001/article.php?id=59 This site may help you. But please be aware that this may also be a trick of kal Korff, a sworn enemy to the mission. Salome Aditya | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 289 Registered: 03-2004 |
Found 3 links for each separate part of Zeitgeist that load much faster: Zeitgeist - in 3 parts Part 1 - religion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9br09jGoc&feature=related Part 2 - 9/11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZgwAGGByA Part 3 - The Men Behind the Curtain - Federal Reserve http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__YFnUfYXZk&feature=related | ||
Whappybugger Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2004 |
Thankyou for replies. It looks like we are all in the same boat. i would like to know if there is anyone else concerned with another matter of free energy, magnets and joe cells for example! Beslers wheel, has anybody been able to get it off the ground as this will be essential for the future.... | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 02-2006 |
Michael have seen the documentary called "The Iraq Conspiracy" yet? The Iraq Conspiracy 46 min - 21/03/2007 http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=2960261426258752639 It explains/confirms what you said in this Video below about what Billy told you was the reason why the US invaded Iraq, or else the US dollar would be virtually nothing. UFO - Michael Horn on 911 WTC Attack (Billy Meier) 6-24-06 3 min - 04/07/2006 http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=932908416686551196 It was because Saddam/Iraq started selling all of it oil in Euro's and not for the US dollar. It was all about the American Petro dollar. In the video some people of WW3 happening because Iran now wants to sell all of its oil for the Euro dollar too. Its a very good documentary. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 02-2006 |
correction - In the video some people SPEAK of WW3 happening soon because Iran now wants to sell all of its oil for the Euro dollar too. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hey-Yo, Hello All, Has anyone seen/read the latest National Geographic, December 2007 edition? Awsome article about Big Bad Bizarre Dinosaurs.!! Article and photos start on page 32. My three favorites are the MASIAKASAURUS, the DRACOREX (whose image is on the cover), and the STYRACOSAURUS. There has been speculation that some of the Saurians developed a high level of intelligence. Look at a "brief" time-span, from 65-million to 100-million years ago, a span of 35-MILLION YEARS. Then consider how fast humankind evolved in only a few million years (with assistance, to be sure), and 35-million years COULD have been adequate. Further speculation: Could SOME of the Saurians (VelociRaptors?) have developed space flight capabilities.?.! Might they yet return? Food for thought... In Peace Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Whappybugger, Two good books I can HIGHLY recommend, re: free energy. First: "ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM, Concepts and Principles", by author Tom Bearden, PhD. And next: "ELECTROGRAVITICS SYSTEMS" and "ELECTROGRAVITICS II", both by author Thomas Valone, PhD. Yes indeed, there ARE people working on these ideas. (No, I'm not one of them. I do have a background in Nuclear Engineering and Electronics, but I don't have the resources to build any prototypes). Keep in pursuit of knowledge. It could be you that participates in a practical breakthrough. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2007 |
Warmest Greetings All, Hello again Whappybugger, Here is an idea that I have been kicking around for some time: Hydrogen piped to Fuel distribution depots for vehicle fuel. To expand on this idea: When I worked as an Analyzer Technician for the Hess Refinery down in the Virgin Islands, the refinery had HUGE desalination plants to make pure water from sea water. This was necessary, as there was no fresh water available to generate steam for the plant processes, nor for drinking, etc. That water was the most pure I have yet had to drink. The Idea: Build the De-Sal plant for pure water which feeds an electrolysis plant. The E-plant will use solar power to dissociate hydrogen from oxygen (water = 2-hydrogen and 1-oxygen per molecule). This does not require a high voltage. Release the oxygen to the atmosphere, or compress the oxygen for medical uses. Filter, scrub, and COMPRESS the pure hydrogen to about 1000-psi, which is high enough to feed into existing fuel pipelines. Profit is to be made based on metering per thousand cubic-foot of hydrogen, flowing into the distribution systems. The auto industry CAN build engines to run very well on Hydrogen fuel. This is the cleanest, non-polluting fuel possible. The exhaust from such an engine is water vapor, no hydrocarbons or NOX. Anyone interested in getting RICH? Food and desert for thought. In peace Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 601 Registered: 10-2000 |
This is what a friend of mine wrote to me about hydrogen power: "Hydrogen takes too much energy in the making, and depletes the atmosphere of oxygen and produces more green house gases (H2O-steam). Any effort of attaining combustible matter by separating environmentally stable molecules is like running perpetual motion backwards. No chemical solution will work without bringing something else out of wack (environmentally) and making someone else pay for the energy needed to create the fuel! In other words the energy equation when burning fossil fuel is zero - on the right side of the equal sign. Nuclear power plants are the same! The only 'free' energy in abundance is photon energy within several useful spectrums of the sun's emission, i.e visible light, heat, x-ray & microwave magnetic energy. The latter is responsible for magnetic coupling between stellar and planetary bodies and could provide a source of energy for the future, since it interacts with electron flow and gravity." Michael Horn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Michael, Thank you for your feedback. >> "...a friend of mine wrote to me about hydrogen power: "Hydrogen takes too much energy in the making, and depletes the atmosphere of oxygen and produces more green house gases (H2O-steam). " << Well, you may have read my posts at Non-FIGU > Misc.? I will address only one point in your post at this time, rather than writing a book here. I disagree with your un-named friend. It does not deplete the atmosphere of oxygen to produce hydrogen FROM WATER. On the contrary, this process will actually liberate oxygen INTO the atmosphere. As to greenhouse gases, as hydrogen re-combines with oxygen (the burn phase) water vapor is all that is released. The water vapor then contributes to the water cycle, returning to the Earth as rain. Therefore, the OCEANS full of water will NEVER become depleted. There are solutions to low-cost methods to produce Hydrogen from water and liberate oxygen into the atmosphere. For just one (of many), refer to the method of Ultra-Fast Photodissociation, US Patent # 7125480 (and #5711770, and #5973825, and #6063258 for more). The Ultra-Fast method was invented by Gary Austin, for reference. (I give names). Some studies suggest that the cost of transporting and distributing hydrogen by pipeline would be less per unit of energy than the cost of transmitting and distributing electricity. Once distributed, it can be burned in the home as a heating fuel, replacing natural gas. Because there are no noxious combustion products, hydrogen could be burned in invented appliances, leading to perhaps 30 percent greater efficiency, as well as savings in construction costs because flues would be unnecessary. Yes, there are problems applying hydrogen to automobile engine and storage requirements. If we use our WILL to find and apply solutions, these problems CAN be SOLVED. We CAN and MUST wean ourselves from the "hydrocarbon-is-the-only-fuel" mentality. The production and use of oil is becoming extremely costly as demand increases and sources diminish. Not no mention the pollution, the cancers, the damage to Earth and ourselves from toxic hydrocarbons and their waste products. This does not consider, either, the reliance on the global "petro-dollar" picture, which could be developed into another thesis, altogether (as the cause behind wars, etc.). I won't even go to nuclear power here, but just to mention there are similar problems from this source, and some of an even more insidious nature. I appreciate your consideration of these thoughts, and thank you for yours. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hydrogen is a waste. It costs too much to make using today's technology. Michael is right, Photons are the future and how they interact with matter. Free unlimited energy in even more spectrums than Michael mentioned. There are some we have yet to detect. Any energy that needs to be transported by pipeline is expensive. Especially when a pipeline costs 1-2 million per mile. Most of these guys pushing hydrogen just want gov't subsidies to pay for their play time. Any real scientist would know after their initial research that Hydrogen will not work as promised. Mark Gilbo | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2007 |
Dear Friends We currently have a mega-project underway here in Europe, located in Cadarache in the south of France to be precise. The project aims to develop the feasibility / practicality of Nuclear Fusion. The project is called “ITER” International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor, with a current estimated cost of ~10 Billion Euro (USD ~14.7 Billion, AUD 17 Billion). Bear in mind that this project will be approximately of 20 years duration and at this astronomical cost will only show as stated on the ITER website, “The programmatic goal of ITER is “"to demonstrate the scientific and technological feasibility of fusion power for peaceful purposes"”. We will not therefore have access to cheap electricity as provided by nuclear fusion plants appearing suddenly after this research, indeed it may take many more years after this project has finished to put into practice what the project goals initially set out to complete (IF THEY COMPLETE THEM). The pros and cons of utilizing nuclear fusion energy are many and complicated; no doubt there will be much debate and diverging views. My thoughts for what there are worth is to divert 1% of these funds (~100 Million Euro) to Steven Greer’s “AERO” Advanced Energy Research Organization project which aims are as stated on their website: “Advanced Energy Research Organization (AERO), LLC was founded by Steven M. Greer, M.D., in July 2007. AERO is a new research and development group which will develop and strategically protect new energy and propulsion technologies that will completely replace oil, gas, coal, and nuclear power. AERO is the group that is most strategically ready to develop disclose and establish the long-suppressed technologies that will enable us to establish a truly sustainable civilization on Earth. It is time that humanity move on to its next level of development. This cannot happen with the internal combustion engine and fossil fuels. Time is short. Indeed time- and obscurity- are elements that must be overcome for success to occur. No doubt I am sure Tom Bearden and his research into energy from the vacuum would also benefit with another 1% funding. From Tom Beardens website: Tom Bearden comments: There are many ways to extract energy from the seething vacuum. Unfortunately, at present our scientific community takes a bizarre stance. In particle physics it is well known that the active vacuum is incredibly energetic. Calculations by leading physicists such as Wheeler show that a cubic centimeter of vacuum (about the tip of one's little finger in volume) has so much raw energy in it that, if condensed into matter, there would be more matter than is observable in the universe through the largest telescope! So even a tiny efficiency of tapping could and will extract all the energy anyone could wish. http://www.cheniere.org/mission.html Tom Bearden http://www.iter.org/index.htm ITER Project http://www.aero2012.com/en/index.html AERO Project, S. Greer Salome Mike   | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 962 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Mark and All.... Mark: I would agree with, on that. Rod: I would agree with you, also: Hydrogen does emit, Water Vapor. Michael: I thought that that H2O-steam, was Water Vapor; like what Rod mentioned, not? This is what I posted at the PAR board, in response to Rarena's posting concerning the usage of HHO. 13:00 3-12-2007 Hi Rarena..... That HHO component usage sounds very familiar. I watched a documentary some months ago, and it was about Russian Nuclear Subs. And, this new modern sub, was one of the best Subs in the world, even above US standards, as was said; and this sub had a back-up energy system, which was no other than a - Hydrogen - generator! This, Hydrogen back up engine, was only to be used if the Nuclear generator is defect; and not sooner. The only disadvantage this Hydrogen generator has, is: that it can be HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE, when it becomes unstable! Thus, I want to note what I just mentioned above: Billy did say at the FIGU board once, that Hydrogen can be very Dangerous because of it's unstableness, which can cause an Explosion to occur. So, Billy: Hit The Nail On That One; and Confirms the Facts, I have to add! Thus, when a Hydrogen motor, which are installed in vehicles...in such smaller version, this can do no harm; but when constructed in a much much huge version(with additional (secret) modifications), like for the subs: it becomes an immense danger. The explosion of Hydrogen, had something to do with it's counterparts components, and I think HHO, was one of them mentioned. Thus, there still does not seem to be a very secure and decent (stable) system, to guarantee....no explosion will/can occur. So, I guess, the Russians are still perfecting their Hydrogen Sub (back-up) generators; but even though, there is still error in the mechanism, production will just proceed, as it seems. Edward. So, Billy did explain once before, how dangerous Hydrogen can manifest itself. And that it is NOT...the Ultimate fuel source. The above mentioned posting of mine just sheds a bit more light into, the concerning. Thus, the Russians are still having great problems with the distributions of the components...when they are separated and subjected to their processing destinations, and when they all fuse in the main chamber, if you will: Problems can/seem to occur. Thus, they have not perfected the Hydrogen system, yet/neither; produced on a greater scale...model. Thus, running an automobile, will not be such a hassle, but...when it comes down to Feeding a Sub, which has to produce energy which is equivalent to an average small town: then, this is 'another ball game', so to speak. Edward. | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 290 Registered: 03-2004 |
Another good documentary: Who Killed The Electric Car? http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Mark Gilbo, >>Any energy that needs to be transported by pipeline is expensive. Especially when a pipeline costs 1-2 million per mile."<< A short reply: The pipelines are already in place. Existing pipelines that now transport high-pressure gas or liquid hydrocarbon fuels or heating oil, can be phased over to transport pure hydrogen gas as generating facilities come on-line. There may be the need to continue diesel fuel transport in some lines for truck and train services. These should also be phased over to carry hydrogen when Mag-Lev rail systems are built to replace the dinosaurs currently pulling freight around the country (world). To be sure, hydrogen is a stop-gap measure. It is a clean solution that is available NOW, until the photon-applications and vacuum-energy technologies become practical. We can only go forward from where we are now, one step at a time. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Johnnybalmain New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2007 |
Dear Aditya thanks for the link re the flying dinasaur photo but I'm afraid I don't read or speak German.I would like an english version of the reason why this photo is debunked saying it was lifted from an old book or painting. johnny | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 191 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Johnny What i did was copy para by para and translate it using Google Translate http://translate.google.com/translate_t There would be some grammatical errors here and there, but that's the best we non-german speakers can do for the time being. ashwin | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 09-2002 |
Jrod... Just because a pipeline is there does not mean you can use it. You have to see beyond the pipeline where you will run into the trouble. You have endless suppliers that will need major upgrading of trucks, stations and personel training. You will have local & federal gov't licensing and laws stopping you from doing this because the laws are setup to PROTECT the current infrastructure. Then you have to educate the public because they aren't exactly brilliant thinkers, which will take years. And before you even get to market, it will cost hundreds of billions in research because whenever you have subsidies, most companies aren't too thrilled in solving the problem. aka cancer, aids, electric cars etc.. Did you know in some cities a company can't even disconnect from their local power company. Its illegal to do so. Its an actual law put on the books. I know because my city has it. I understand and support your eagerness, but Hydrogen won't work. It would be faster switching to natural gas(not compressed), at least that is readily available and will reduce emissions over 60% or more. They tried natural gas but the big power companies and car manufacturers ruined that because they wanted to promote compressed natural gas instead of liquefied, which is a fraction of the volume in size and would give cars a much longer fuel range. By selling compressed, the fuel companies were guaranteed to sell more but the end user got screwed. I remember the fuel companies spouting off propaganda about how liquefied natural gas was dangerous and would blow up a city. Funny how they never stated that compressed was more explosive and had a lower ignition temp. At least with LNG, 90% of it evaporated into the atmosphere before it caught fire. Hydrogen is not a new concept but the earth would be better off using gravitational field generators. Its free energy and clean and the knowledge is here today to make it work. Mark Gilbo | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Johnny, This is the translated version of that site http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/001/article.php?id=59 I have a translator from German to English. It is also helpful. You can enter any German word and it will give the English meaning of that word. Helps in translations. Salome Aditya | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1371 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, For those who are interested in the Gaiaguys.net saga, please read the following: http://www.gaiaguys.net/gaiaguysrendition07.htm | ||
Johnnybalmain New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2007 |
thankyou so much Adi for the translation site highly invaluable. It is a pity but that page d does'nt explain the reason for the remarkable similarity of meier's photo and the books one. Is there a counter arguement for those that claim that Billy lifted it from this book Gratefully Yours Johnny | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 267 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Johnny About the picture that you are asking about, FIGU published an article regarding this and it is in one of their bulletins that was published back in 2005, below is a link but you will need a translator for it. http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder_bulletin/2005/nr_20/geturkte_photos and the link to the actual bulletin is http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_sonder_bulletin_20.pdf?download Hope this helps you further in trying clarify the issue… Salome, Badr | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Johnny, Your Welcome always. I'm here to help and learn. Well you know waht Johhny, I was thinking about this.... I thought it resembles the book. Then I thought, maybe they took him back to a specific time which resembles the book. Where the bird is flying in a similar way. By doing this they wanted to show that its real, but nobody understood it, and they thought that he had taken it from a book. I'm just guessing, I may be wrong. But one thing I can say is, that if Billy has taken the photograph, then its real. He never lies. Salome Adi | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Moderators, I was wondering what happened to the post I had written here. Is it a serious matter? Just curious. Salome Aditya Hi Aditya, An email has been sent to you regarding this issue, and assumed you might want to keep it private as it was directed to the moderators, if not just repost it again, there should be a copy of the post in the email that was sent to you. Salome, Badr | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 06-2006 |
Not sure if this has been previously brought up here before. I found it interesting when I came across it. Wernher Von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) "Just before he [von Braun] died, he gave an interview to Carol Rosin, in which he basically said that in order to sustain the military-industrial complex that first a false threat of terrorists would be created and used on the public and then asteroids and finally a false alien threat." See article and video here: http://evpreversespeaking2.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-future-holds.html | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 154 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Alan, From your same link I picked this up---> "According to Ian Lungold (who gave several talks about the Mayan Calandar before he died) we will meet our "space brother" in the cycle that starts around nov 2006 and ends in nov 2007." Well either this never happened, or we never heard of it. Or its just fake. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Members, I had heard in the Randalph Winters tapes I think, that our planet right now has a very special position. He said that our planet is under the light of the sohar, and that it was in such a special place that if it were destroyed, it can pose a threat to our whole universe, and to the DAL universe. Is this true? Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear All, In regard to Dyson and Vivienne---> "they have been sentenced to 9 months in prison for contempt of court or somesuch, stemming from their 'religious villification' charges. Now it seems that their website has been taken down, either by Dyson and Vivienne themselves under threats, or forcibly by someone else." This is what makes me furious, when you try to spread the truth, they lock you up. When you try to tell them the truth, they don't listen to you. How the hell can anyone be so ignorant?? Can anything be done to get them out?? Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Moderators, I definately have to say one thing, You guys are preatty quick, you guys spend so much time for all of us. Reading our posts, editing them. THANK YOU VERY MUCH We are all really very thankful to you guys. CHEERS TO SCOTT,BADR AND CHRISRIAN, Salome Aditya | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi: Does someone know what`s happening to the site gaiaguys.net, and to Dyson and Vivienne? Eric | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1376 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Eric, Yes it has been down for at least two days from what I have noticed. I did send Dyson an e-mail yesterday, but no response. There is some talk that he and Vivienne may be headed back to prison, but nothing official that I can tell. Regards Scott | ||
Matthew_deagle New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2007 |
Adityasonakia, Yes, I'm equally outraged with the absurdity of this situation. It is certainly a good thing that Richard Dawkins and other such critics of religion do not live in Victoria, Australia (or for that matter in any province, apparently, since the Victoria government is 'omnipotent'). This is a good example of the distortion of true human rights based upon false 'rights' which are fabricated on liberalistic grounds; so-called 'democracy' used to demagogically control a population through illogical manipulations (Achim Wolf discussed this from his perspective in FIGU Sonder-Bulletin Nr. 38, which is still cached on Google in an English translation by gaiaguys under the title "Democracy as it is and as it should be"). I would add that these so-called 'rights' are non-rights specifically because they negate natural human needs, both material and emotional, and are therefore anti-humane. In this case, the 'right' not to have one's religion criticised, regardless of how much it emotionally or even physically abuses children, negates the natural emotional need of children to value their own thoughts and feelings and have their emotional needs met by the adults who are obligated to care for them. Even if the O.T.O., the Catholic religion, etc., had no physical child-abusers among their ranks, they would still be forcing children into a belief-system and invalidating their own insights and feelings (in addition to those of the adults enslaved by these illusions). With regard to Randolph Winters, I must warn you that he is a disinformer, as Dyson has pointed out numerous times. I would recommend you read Billy's information and form your own conclusions from his exact writings in conjunction with other materials and your own thoughts, feelings, insights, etc. When it comes to Billy's own writings and experiences, do not go through a middle-man unless it is in the form of a translation, alongside which the completely intact original German is presented. Here is a link to the Google cache of the Randolph Winters exposé from Gaiaguys: exposé of Meier-material falsifier Randy Winters Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 199 Registered: 05-2007 |
Due to unfortunate recent developments the gaiaguys.net website is down. But if it were really only related to the O.T.O, then why did they have to bring down the entire website and not the pages only concerning the O.T.O? Makes me think that this O.T.O. thing was just a silly reason to bring the entire website down, and to give Dyson and Vivienne serious trouble. Here are the links as Matthew had mentioned before, O.T.O press release http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/dec07press.htm http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/OTO_reasons.pdf Let's all hope they come out soon! For those who feel they have no access whatsoever to the unofficial translations on gaiaguys.net one could use the google cache as Matthew has shown in his previous post (but i think the pictures won't be shown, but it is much more recently updated) Otherwise one could use the web archive but only problem is the most recent one is only that of June 16, 2007 http://web.archive.org/web/20070616160540/http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm Otherwise one could go to Jamesm website were most of the unofficially translated contact notes are present http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php/Contact_Reports And not to forget clemm's googlepage http://clemmm.googlepages.com/ Salome ashwin PS - above sites contain unofficial translations | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 761 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, et al, I’ll TRY to keep this as short as I can. :-) We are very busy. Vivienne and I are well and still at home. Our friendly local police told us yesterday there are no arrest warrants (visible) in our names (yet). We first learned of our alleged 9 month prison sentences when we read that on this FIGU forum yesterday. The item (from the website source of that posted material) about us being bailed overnight is an error of fact, and in the absence of any more paperwork from the Human Rights Tribunal in Melbourne (VCAT), we do not know what’s going on, nor have we been able to get our (yesterday’s) telephone enquiries to VCAT answered yet. Our calls were not returned, as promised. We never thought we were immune from law. We just did what we thought we had to do, under the circumstances. At the 457th contact on Wednesday, December 12th, 2007 at 2:43PM, typed out by Billy and faxed to KG49 Elisabeth Grüber about four hours later and emailed and received by us (with great technical difficulty) almost immediately, Ptaah forcefully personally advised Vivienne and me, after all of his clarifications (Abklärungen) that the entire gaiaguys website should be dissolved (taken down) as hurriedly as possible. Of course we followed this guidance without needless delay. Ptaah’s constructively critical advice was originally prompted by the concerns of other Australian FIGU members. As recently mentioned on our (ex) website, our private communications are now being badly thwarted, and some attempts to communicate directly with the SSSC have been returned with the notice, “FIGU.ORG – no such domain” so we have had to go through a chain of intermediaries which has evidently led to various misunderstandings. This is why I now write here, and express Vivienne’s and my heartfelt thanks to all those who have tried to contact us with their love, support and encouragement, who have either not gotten through or have not received our replies. We particularly express our gratitude to Ptaah for his wise/loving, but harsh, advice, as well as - of course - Billy, who approached our JHWH, Florena, and all our other FIGU friends who helped bring this assistance about. I’ve not returned to this forum to enter into debate or answer questions, but just as a way of delivering this message. (Can someone please alert Adam Dodson adam@adamdodson.org for us? Thanks.) We’ve a lot to do before we’re re-arrested and re-detained etc., and our remaining time is short. Cheers! Dyson (& Vivienne) | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Scott and all: Did a quick search I got some news. Really really interesting. http://adamdodson.org/node/131 "There is no enough shovels to bury the truth" Dear Friends Creation is with us. The Truth will prevail, it is a creational law. There is no escape. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dyson, If you have Contact 257, since Block 10 is not coming out for a while, can you please post it on the forum or something along those lines? I would ask you to e-mail it, but for obvious reasons that's not going to be a very reliable method of transmission. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 604 Registered: 10-2000 |
Check here: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/index.php/Contact_Report_257 Michael Horn | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2007 |
Michael Horn, Thank you, Michael. Recently ordered your new DVD ("The Silent Revolution of Truth"), by the way. It looks quite good, from the preview. I look forward to watching it. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2007 |
Michael, Sorry, I typoed a "2" where a "4" should have been! I meant the 457th Contact. Thank you, anyway. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear all Sorry for the wrong info i gave. Truly glad that all i said was wrong. When suddenly gaiaguys.net wasn't working and after seeing the O.T.O. press release i didn't think anymore. Now i can heave a sigh of relief. ashwin | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 04-2006 |
Arahat athersata, page 20 vers 130. "Alle Versuche blieben jedoch erfolglos, und ausnahmslos liefen die Schiffe der Wahrheit auf Grund und versanken in den bodenlosen Tiefen des Unverstandes der irdischen Wesenheiten." (my rough translation) "Each and every attempt to bring truth to the Earth man was unsuccessful, without exception every ship of truth sank to the bottomless abyss of ignorance and misunderstanding of the earth human creatures". I mean, gaiaguys was one of the most powerfull ships of truth these days.It has been sunk, as many ships of truth before them.Very sad news.Seems it's a sign of the times that as a result of telling the truth unwanted elements want to SILENCE you by any means, including torture, repression and assasination. Anyway, the future will make justice to people like Dyson and Vivienne.At least i hope so..... | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 160 Registered: 07-2007 |
WE KNOW THAT WE ARE RIGHT, WE KNOW WE SPEAK THE TRUTH. TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!!! Dyson and Vivenne, WE ALL ARE WITH YOU Salome | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear Hector, The future will prove just for all of us and for Billy's Mission and all that follow from it. This is a self-determined reality, an inevitable prediction. "Geht das Jahrtausend zu Ende, in dem der Neuzeit-Prophet verblichen sein wird, wenn 800 Jahre nach seinem Tod dahingegangen sein werden, werden die Menschen endlich soweit sein, dass sie die Augen und die Ohren öffnen, damit sie sehend und hörend werden. Das wird aber sein, weil die Macht des Wortes des Propheten über Jahrhunderte zu wirken beginnt und in die Gedanken und Gefühle sowie in die Vernunft der Menschen dringt. Es wird ein sehr mühsames Werk sein, das der Prophet und seine Getreuen zu erfüllen haben werden, doch ihr Einsatz wird den Gewinn nicht verfehlen. So werden die Menschen sich langsam von den Gottkulten befreien und sich der Wahrheit des Geistes und der Schöpfung zuwenden. Sie werden nicht mehr mit ihren Köpfen in den irren Lehren der Gottkulte gefangen sein und ihre Augen und Ohren offen haben, so sie von einem Ende der Erde zum anderen Ende sehen und hören und nunmehr einander verstehen können. Sie werden wissend geworden sein, dass jeder Schlag, der den Nächsten trifft, diesen schmerzt und verletzt. Die Menschen werden eine grosse Gemeinschaft bilden, von der jeder ein Teil des andern ist. Wahre Liebe wird Frieden und Freiheit schaffen und die Menschheit vereinen. Also aber wird es nebst vielen Sprachen aber auch eine spezielle Sprache geben, die von allen Menschen verstanden und gesprochen wird. Und das wird endlich der Anfang der Geburt des Neuen sein, das wahrheitlich Menschliche." "When the millennium in which the new time prophet dies draws to an end, and when 800 years pass after his death, human beings will have come so far to open their eyes and ears that they will be capable of seeing and hearing. But this will be, because the power of the prophet’s word will begin to take effect over centuries, and will permeate the feelings and thoughts as well as the reason of human beings. It will be a very arduous work that the prophet and his loyal supporters will have to accomplish, however, their dedicated efforts will not fail to be successful. And slowly, the human beings will free themselves from the god cults, and turn toward the truth of the spirit and the Creation. Their heads will no longer be trapped in the delusional teachings of god cults, and they will have their eyes and ears open, thus they will be able to see and hear from one end of the earth to the other, and will be able to understand each other from now on. They will have become cognizant that each blow that strikes the fellow-human being will hurt and injure him. Human beings will form a large community in which each one is a part of the other. True love will create peace and freedom, and will unite humankind. And there will also be one special language beside the many that exist, which will be understood and spoken by all human beings. And this will finally be the start of the birth of the new, the real and true human." From earlier in the predictions: "Billy Danke. Doch was ist mit Jeremias Voraussagen, die ja keine Prophezeiungen sind?" "Billy Thank you. But what happened to Jeremia’s predictions, which in fact are not prophecies?" See: Voraussagen der Propheten Jeremia und Elia Predictions of the Prophets Jeremia and Elia | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hector: "Each and every attempt to bring truth to the Earth man was unsuccessful, without exception every ship of truth sank to the bottomless abyss of ignorance and misunderstanding of the earth human creatures". I mean, gaiaguys was one of the most powerfull ships of truth these days.It has been sunk, as many ships of truth before them.Very sad news.Seems it's a sign of the times that as a result of telling the truth unwanted elements want to SILENCE you by any means, including torture, repression and assasination.  Hector!  a lot Dyson and Vivienne for everything you both done and also tried to do too in the past at your Gaiaguys website! I will surely miss it. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 05-2007 |
I will surely miss it. Gaiaguys will be remade when they serve there sentence. No worries. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2007 |
FOR DYSON AND VIVIENNE AT GAIAGUYS, YOU HAVE RAISED A LIGHT INTO THE WORLD WHICH CANNOT BE EXTINGUISHED. THERE ARE MANY WHO STAND HERE BY YOUR SIDE. TAKE COURAGE AND COMFORT IN THIS. TRUTH, AND THE MISSION OF SSSC, WILL PREVAIL. IN PEACE SALOME Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Dave, I don't think Dyson & Vivienne are ever going to put their gaiaguys.net website back up, not after Ptaah strongly advised them to shut it down. I think one of main contributing reasons why they had to shut gaiaguys down in the end was not only because of the truthful material and topics contained in it, but also because it was so popular, averaging well over a million hits a day. I don't think it would have ever come to this if it had never become that popular. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1379 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Tony, I don't think anyone is in the position to know what Dyson will or will not do. So many people assumed the website was illegally taken down, but in reality it was nothing like that. Hopefully as time goes on, we will come to know what form of advice/admonishment was conveyed to Dyson to cause him to take action, because I am sure others more than once have warned him about the dangers of posting the material he and Vivienne were making available. I think we also have to realise the information concerning FIGU is still available in its original German. Regards Scott | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 05-2007 |
What I don't get is why would Ptaah advise/recommend Vivienna and Dyson to close down the ENTIRE site and not just the part that could and has gotten them into trouble. It's like if he advised Michael to close down theyfly.com or advised Billy to give the order to shut down all the FIGU sites/forums. There all delivering the same message and information. Does anyone know when the untranslated version of Contact 457 will be released. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 605 Registered: 10-2000 |
I have written to FIGU to ask for clarification and I do have a thought about a possibility. Obviously, Dyson and VIvienne's contributions to the mission, the information being made available in English, etc. is invaluable and I don't think it is the reason for the requested shut down, if indeed it was done at Ptaah/Billy's request. I wonder if the association of FIGU material with so much other information, accusatory in nature, specifically regarding the Freemasons, Protocols of Zion, etc. could be a contributing factor. I, for one, do NOT know if the Freemasons/OTO information regarding blood-drinking pedophiles is entirely accurate, nor do I know if the PoZ is authentic (as D & V are convinced it is despite Mieer's firm opinion to the contrary). I do know that pedophiles are a huge, ugly problem in most places on earth. What I have been concerned about is the possibility that D & V were unknowingly making broad-brushed, inaccurate charges against people and/or in the case of the PoZ perpetuating inaccuracies there. As I said, these are things that I don't know for certain one way or the other but I can see how any inaccuracies, etc. could hurt the credibility of the FIGU material. Even if all the charges they make are true, people who want to discredit the FIGU material would have the opportunity to use D & V's conviction against not only them but FIGU. These are just my honest thoughts and concerns and I look forward to FIGU's response/clarification. Michael Horn | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 06-2006 |
There is little point in discussing the situation. The Meier material is not the reason that gaiaguys are in trouble with the laws in Australia. That it is gone for the moment, should not be too much of an inconvenience for anyone. There are other sites that have their translations of the contact notes and bulletins. And it is a good opportunity to put some personal effort into translating. All is not lost, it is just not visible at the moment. Robjna | ||
The_eye New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
Dearest mates Dyson and Vivienne, Hello Hello Mates!!! Ach Grosser Geist der Schöpfung!  I am aware this is not the right place for this but I could not help and had to do it by communicating with you guys through this FIGU FORUM. This is the only means to reach you for this while. I am very happy both of you are safe and in good health. Dearest mates D & V, I do not know if you will read this mates. I just want to let you know that I have a backup of the now extinct gaiaguys.net website. I am sure many people now also have it and the truth will continue to be SILENTLY spreaded all over. Truth Shall Alwways Prevail! Many of your very precious translations of the True Messages from the JSHWSHES are still online at that website of mine you my friend know the link to reach it. I have kept the whole gaigaguys.net on CDs besides those CDs which you my brother had sent to me before among many other things. I have all of which you have translated into English from the original contact notes and had put online at the now extinct gaiaguys.net. I have the intention to translate all of them into my language and will put it online in three or more languages. It will take time but I will make it so more people can learn about the True Prophet of the New Age Herr Billy Meier. The number of hits now at my "still online" website is getting higher, the counters there are not correct but one can have an idea. Many people from all over the planet are visiting it now. You my dear brother will always and eternally be in my heart you and Vivi will always be in the most deep of Spirit Form for eternity because with the help of Vivi more then 1.500.000 of human beings from all over this planet have read the 666.htm and Antilogos.htm and also that judas.htm which Jr. gave a helpful hand at gaiaguys and now they are aware of who is the real enemy of Life in this world. Thank you very much for your help and I want to let you know that also I have still online at my website. As I said it is still online I do not until when... Solidarity my brother and sister in Truth Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg. My wife S..... also send to you guys best regards. She had a crystal clear dream about this issue around 15 days ago and only now I understand what the dream was about. P.S Please my friends be happy and relax a little bit with this good news of mine. I gave got a copy of the original Book OM in german language as a gift from a friend. It is coming onto my hands very soon. This OM book I will translate into my language. This will be my last mission on this Earth to translate the whole OM Book THE BOOK OF THE BOOKS and then I can die in peace. I let this prayer to you my dear brother Dyson and dearest Vivienne. Keep it in your hearts mates. Ach Grosser Geist der Schöpfung. Dessen Stimme die ich in die Winde höre, Und dessen Atem Leben zu allem Universes gibt, Hören Sie mich, ich bin klein und schwach, Ich brauche Ihre Stärke und Ihre Weisheit. Lassen Sie mich Schönheit gehen, Und erblicken Sie immer ewig den roten und purpurroten Sonnenuntergang.  Machen Sie meine Ohren scharf, um Ihre Stimme zu hören, Und meine Hände, um die Dinge zu respektierten, die Sie gemacht hatten. Lassen Sie mich die Lehren sehen, die Sie in jedem Blatt und Stein versteckt haben. Machen Sie mich weise dass ich die Dinge verstehen kann, Die Sie zu meine Leute und zu meinem eigenen Geist gelehrt haben. Ich suche Weisheit, nicht um größer als meine Brüder oder meine Schwestern zu sein, Aber meinen grössten Feind, mich selbst, zu überwinden. Lassen Sie mich einen geraden Pfad mit sauberen Händen gehen, so dass, Wenn das Leben, wie der schwindende Sonnenuntergang schwindet, Mein Geist vielleicht an Sie Schöpfung, ohne Scham zurückgeben kann. Sehr altes Gebet lehrte zum alte indianer durch außerirdischen Menschen. Deutsche Sprache übersetzung und Anpassung von J.B.S gemacht werden, Gebet basierend auf ursprünglichem Hopi indianerisches-Gebet. English Language: Oh Great Spirit of Creation, Whose voice I hear in the winds, And whose breath gives life to all Universes, Hear me, I am small and weak, I need your strength and wisdom. Let me walk in Beauty and forever behold the red and purple sunset. Make my ears sharp to hear your voice, And my hands to respect the things which you have made. Let me see the lessons which you have hidden in each leaf and rock. Make me wise that I may understand the things which you have taught to my people and to my own Spirit. I seek wisdom, not to be greater than my brothers and sisters, But to overcome my greatest enemy, myself. Let me walk a straight path with clean hands, So that when life fades, like the fading sunset, My spirit may return to you, oh Creation, without shame. Based on an ancient Hopi Indian Prayer. You know my e-mail mates... Still...Didgeridooooinnnngggg!!! Quo vadis humanitas? An alle Regierungen und sonstigen Verantwortlichen der Welt To all the Governments and Other Responsible Persons of the World http://http://www.truth777.00freehost.com/quovadis.htm J.B.S | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 01-2006 |
Hi Scott, Your right about saying that no-one is in a position to KNOW what Dyson will or will not do, but I didn't say that. I said - "I don't think D&V are ever going to......" There is a difference but I know what you meant there Scott. I too also hope like you that we will eventually find out what advice was conveyed to Dyson from Ptaah/Billy to cause him to take that drastic action there. Obviously it involved the future health/life of D&V. I hope D&V will eventually one day after this is all over have time to continue doing translations. They were dam good at that! But right now I just wish them both all the best for whatever legal(?) troubles lays ahead of them near future and hope they get out of it ok/fine. Once again I just like to graciously thank and applaud them both for all the tireless work/effort/motive behind what they did and tried to do at their website.  | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 12-1999 |
In My opinion, the system (666) is so corrupt and so complicated and intertwined, no matter how sincere, no matter how well meaning a person is in combating evil, if it gets to the point where you are banging your head against the wall of unreason and delusional apathy, it then comes down to which is more important; Fighting a losing battle and getting killed? Or backing off to preserve the lives of even a few very valuable and precious human beings. I don't know what Ptaah and Billy had to say about the matter, but I think it is better to be alive and have good health and be in a position to further the mission beginning with ourselves within (the silent revolution of truth) than to be at the forefront of a universally watched battle in which the good guys (Gaiaguys) are not only out numbered, but winning this battle will not effect the outcome of the war so to speak when looking at the greater overall picture. I will keep our beloved Dyson and our lovely and wonderful Vivienne in my thoughts and prayers. Even though I have not as of yet met Dyson and Vivienne, I know I will in the future and there will be much joy. Looking at things objectively there is always a happy and positive outcome from something sinister and negative even in the face of injustice. And that is this; we can continue learning and gaining knowledge and moving forward. In the future there will be other FIGU Centers around the world, including North America, South America, Australia, Europe and Japan. We can all have a share and work together to accomplish this meaningful and important task for our own personal benefit and development and for the rest of the world. Salome, Lonnie Morton | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 150 Registered: 01-2006 |
Michael: ".....I wonder if the association of FIGU material with so much other information, accusatory in nature, specifically regarding the Freemasons, Protocols of Zion, etc. could be a contributing factor. What I have been concerned about is the possibility that D & V were unknowingly making broad-brushed, inaccurate charges against people and/or in the case of the PoZ perpetuating inaccuracies there. As I said, these are things that I don't know for certain one way or the other but I can see how any inaccuracies, etc. could hurt the credibility of the FIGU material..." Hi Michael, But Billy has already stated that Gaiaguys are allowed to do translations and promote Meier material and clearly said that it doesn't mean that Figu endorses everything else on their website that is not about Meier material. They are free to post what they like on their website. So I don't see how what you said there has anything to do with discrediting figu? I would like to say something about Billy saying that the Freemasons are supposedly harmless. This was posted a while ago. ------------------------------------------------- Ptaah 61. Also it often happens that the questions were not purpose-directed enough, consequently negative or denying answers were given for them. 62. But we were always honest and never told an untruth, even if we sometimes talk around this, something you are indeed also a master of. Billy: You mean by that that you have often simply beaten around the bush! Ptaah: That is the sense of my words. Greetings Billy, Regarding Secret Societies and their negative influence on mankind and the planet, you stated there are secret societies which are entirely harmless. Do you consider such Secret Societies as the Illuminati, the New World Order and Freemasonry harmless? Answer The Freemansons as sort of a religious community are harmless, as is also the case with the Illuminati, a group of people who are spreading silly conspiration theories. with so many high ranking Freemasons in political governmental positions around the world today, the Freemasons are also a powerful secret world political government too, or thats what they at least should be called too and not just religous comunity. To think they have no power or control in politics is absurd. The Freemasons are not harmless. They order assasinations, corruptions, blackmails, ect. They have infiltrated themselves in world governmental positions and they are surely in part responsible for many past/present Governmental corruptions/crimes. ------------------------------------------------- Michael do you think billy might have been playing with words there and deliberately with holding from telling the whole truth there. Just like how Billy said that "terrorists" were responsible for what happened in 911 after someone asked him who were, which left us all thinking that was the case too, until you yourself brought to our attention that the dictionery definition of a terrorist is a person who is politically motivated - US politicians, ect. On the case of the Protocols of Zion, I would just like to say something too. The POZ could be a fabrication. I wouldn't know. But one thing I do know is that everything today has played out exactly as it had been outlined in that supposed 18th century falsification. Our major world media, banks, ect organisations are majority jewish owned today. WTHeck is going on there!! I find it hard to believe that its just a co-incedence and nothing there. Billy/P's told us the 18th century POZ are false fabrications, and that may be true, but they never really explained that to us? All they did was just say how the POZ were false and say how stupid people are for believing the POZ are true. But how can anyone be thought of as being stupid for believing in the POZ when everything has turned out exactly as had been outlined in them. That doesn't make sense to me Billy saying that, and I am entitled to be skeptical of the POZ being true until Billy/P's adequately explain why everything has turned out today exactly as it had been outlined in them 18th century supposed false documents. Dave: "What I don't get is why would Ptaah advise/recommend Vivienna and Dyson to close down the ENTIRE site and not just the part.." Hi Dave, Gaiaguys more then anything was a whistle blower website and a dam good/best one at that, and it wasn't just mainly aimed at the OTO freemasons sect/people in Oz either. Far from it. It was blowing the whistle on every political type of organisation in Oz as well and more, and not just the crimes of organisations but individual people too. (many happened to be OTO members) example, gaiaguys exposing the crimes of many high ranking criminal politicians, police, celebrities, ect. And in most cases Gaiaguys provided IRREFUTABLE proof/evidence to support its claims to each case. Thats what hurt them. Many quietly quit their job. We know there was one high ranking criminal politician here in Oz who quit his job and told his collegues that it was because of that !@&#@*!@! website. Thats what I assume to be the main reason why they had to shut the whole website down and not what Michael suggested that it was. Anyway I'm sure we'll all soon find out what the reason was. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2007 |
Tony, Yes, you are completely correct. I think that in lieu of the dissolution of the gaiaguys website, a few things should be cleared up in this regard so that folks use their own reason and do not simply take whatever 'beating around the Bush' Ptaah or Billy state as absolute truth. They have, after all, not spoken untruths, in the sense that every 'beating around the bush' statement they have made has been negated by earlier or later statements of theirs. For just a few of the many examples: - Asket spoke in her Erklaerungen about the emergence of several different interconnecting cults with the desire for world-domination, and mentioned that L. Ron Hubbard (the founder of Scientology) would be involved with these cults. (Kontaktberichte Block 1, s.312-319) L. Ron Hubbard was a high-ranking member of the Ordo Templi Orientis before he created the cult-religion of Scientology. - Billy and Ptaah spoke extensively about a secret world government managed by the CIA (see for instance Special Bulletin #30) and involving several dangerous apocalyptic cults and beliefs. Billy has repeatedly stated that some powerful individuals are attached to insane, depraved cult-ideas which motivate many of their activities. - Billy and Ptaah described in detail a century-old secret network whose goal it is to slander extraterrestrials by hoaxing fake abductions and using mind-control techniques. (see for instance Contact 441, 3.2.2007.) There is much, much more. However, Billy and the Plejaren tend only to show the way in some matters, so that we may use our own faculty of reason in order to flesh out the proof. There is naturally an enormous amount of mis- and disinformation about these matters, and in fact much of the true information out there is unintentionally mixed with religious or sectarian ideas or politically-motivated non-sense, due to the nature of the thought-patterns of most persons on Earth, including those involved in exposing this information. Obviously the exposure of this information is extremely dangerous. For instance, Fritz Springmeier, a man who made it his life's work to expose the mind-control related abuses of this secret network of cults, corporations and government agencies, was framed for armed robbery in Portland and given a 9-year sentence in federal state prison. From my experience, it is true that most people 'involved' in 'the' O.T.O. are only peripherally involved in some of the lighter, more public forms of the O.T.O., which, however, are still replete with degeneracy, religious thinking, unreason, and selfish philosophies of all kinds. This could be best explained with an analogy to more visible religions: Most persons who would call themselves members of O.T.O. are simply religiously-misled individuals, while some are horrifyingly depraved fundamentalists. This is analogous to the fact that most Christians are brainwashed, and although certainly not innocent in their emotional and intellectual abuse of others and themselves, they seem not to strike us so gruesomely as the fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics. Honestly, if one is to take the Bible or the Koran literally, they are just about as vile and inhumane as the Book of the Law. Just look at Evil Bible.com, for instance. However, it is the case that the O.T.O. is one of the cults, along with Scientology and Skull and Bones, which although tying in with the 'esoteric' levels of many Christian churches, is also very directly involved in the heinous slander of extraterrestrials and the attempt for world domination by the CIA, as well as the use of trauma-based mind-control in order to achieve this end. The nastiness of this method is for the all of us to individually investigate, if we believe that we can stomach it. I only intend to point out directions, and not to overwhelm with horror. I would also say that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a truthful document, insofar as it describes the machinations of a kabbalistic, esoteric, Freemasonry-tied form of fundamentalist Judaism. There are many such well-documented cults. I would say that in many ways, certain forms of Hassidic Judaism qualify as such cults. Obviously, just as most Christians, although religiously misled, are not guilty of bombing abortion clinics nor guilty of Bush's 'god'-inspired Iraq War, most Jews have nothing to do with this sort of insanity, although it should also be clarified that they are, in fact, not in any way benefiting from their own religious delusions. Maybe I should clarify something else before 'reductionist' conspiracy theory starts to take hold. Not one single group of people can currently be said to 'control' the world. Rather, a massively chaotic organised criminal conglomeration of cults, corporations, and government agencies is networked together through blackmail, religious ties, megalomaniacal secret groups, etc. At one time, according to the Plejaren, these were all joined by their lovely progenitors, the Bafath, who were responsible for brainwashing so many already-unstable Earth-humans. Since 1978, however, the cults and greedy groups, etc., have had no 'net' in which to capture them all, so they all want world-domination for themselves while 'working together' to achieve it. This includes just about every powerful cult on Earth, including the Abrahamic Religions. Of course, as the recent "Verbot" on Scientology demanded by the Interior Ministers of Germany has shown, many of these cults are running into difficulties with the official governments of the world, as well as their competition/cooperation within this "Beast". I once again have to laud Richard Dawkins and his movement for taking these cults more seriously as a threat to humanity in recent years. I think it is a very important aspect of Billy's Mission that the religions, cults and sects of the world be slowly eliminated through the truth of the spirit-teachings, as well. I don't intend to write many more posts of this length, but I thought it was demanded at this time. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 08-2007 |
Sorry, I forgot to give a good link to further information about the Scientology/O.T.O. connection. Hubbard and the Occult This demonstrates the deep connection of the doctrines of Scientology to the doctrines of the O.T.O. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 04-2006 |
About the Bafath or Gizah's, just say that since their dissolution/deportation we know now that the game is played with fair rules.Before that we were in inferiority, because some evil minded individuals with superb consciousness powers tricked and arranged events in order to keep the masses confused. Matthew is right, it will take long, too long before all these varied cults, associations, sects, movements dissociate themselves from untruth, illogic and fanaticism.Such fanaticism has been inherited and it takes time to heal the wounds of the consciousness. Perhaps Dyson and Vivienne had an incorrect approach to the problematic of sects like OTO, Freemasons, Illuminati etc etc.Taken from OM the following excerpt: Religions and sects are like the poison of scorpions which robs the human of his consciousness, or kills him. The wise and knowing push back the scorpion, but the weak-sensed grasps it with the bare hand. Well, the OTO was a scorpion, and D&V grasped it with the bare hand.That was heroic and irresponsible at the same time.Here in spain we have a saying " cemeteries are full of brave men".There is another saying in the OM that says "the ink of a wise man is 777 times more valuable than the blood of a martyr".Now the ink of the gaiaguys is temporarily gone, and we have their blood of "martyrdome".Ain't no big deal. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2007 |
Hector, That is a very wise and timely quote to bring to light at this time. Could you cite exactly from which page in OM it stems? I would like to look it up, as well as the other quote, and post their German directly from what I read in the book. I think that what has happened to Dyson and Vivienne should absolutely not be viewed in the 'heroic martyr' way that Christians or most other groups on Earth would be inclined to. Rather, what led to their misfortune should be seen as a very stark and horrifying example of the consequences of what Billy calls positive degeneration ("positive Ausartung"). Heed these words. This is a very important concept for all of us truthseekers and spiritual students to consider and truly absorb, for our own safety and also for our evolution. Billy has mentioned this many, many times with very good reasons. I think it would be good if we all studied this matter and found quotations by Billy about it, since it seems to be our lesson at this time. And you know what they say about successful people--the learn their lessons from the mistakes of others. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear all FIGU-members and -helpers, I think that you and I are allotted a mission in life; an enormous duty and mission which we must tirelessly work for, which includes developing our own understandings, transmitting these to others (willing students), building material centres of peace, love, freedom and harmony, etc. It is our duty to create places and communities in which the Spirit-Teachings can be preserved and can flourish, in which they can be taught and discussed and protected, etc. I think this is our common dream because it is a determined reality in the future which we must strive for, because it is part of our own self-determination and is one of our foremost emotional needs. Quite possibly for many of us, long ago, human beings whom our spirit-forms enlivened made pacts to work toward the evolution and betterment of the humanity on this planet. Whatever the case, we are here, driven by promises, needs, directions, purposes in this life, nudge and guided by Billy's wisdom and the seeds which have already been planted in Switzerland and in his books, etc. All of us are in some way enormously disappointed with the current chaos upon our Earth, but we are also predetermined and self-determined to sow indestructible and irreversible seeds of silent revolution which shall grow into ferocious plants to consume these weeds and purify the soil; a silent revolution which shall slowly overwhelm and destroy all evil, chaos and disharmony. This is a slow germination, but its ends are unavoidable once the seeds have been planted. To those of us who shall have or already have children and are/will be raising them according to the Spirit-Teachings (to think for themselves and value their own thoughts and feelings, etc.), imagine how all of them will fluorish and have descendents of their own whom they will teach and raise in the same way, to be empathic and wise and logical human beings! Imagine the incredible, exploding numbers of these descendents who will one day populate the Earth! Imagine the explosion of peace, love, freedom and harmony which will radiate out from these descendents who have been raised to value true humanity, true knowledge, awareness of feelings, etc.! We students who doggedly study and preserve in this worldly springtime, are planters; we're here to plant the seeds of silent revolution in the good soil which has emerged from as the sun of Aquarius has shined upon the Earth and melted the strangling ice of the olden times. In this summertime for the Earth and her folk, these seeds shall grow and plants shall explode out from their kernels, sending vines and shoots throughout the world. Now is the planting-season for the Silent Revolution of Truth. Before the time of the prophet of this time, the religions, the cults, the governments, the blindness of humankind, etc., salted and froze the Earth, and the Bafath planted weeds wherever fresh soil emerged. Now, however, the Sun is out, and the soil is moist and nutritious, and Billy and the Plejaren have tilled the soil and handed us the seeds. Now is a perfect time to plant these seeds; and what we plant is destined to grow. This is the true way to defeat the Chaos Monster, the Beast, to stave the Scorpions and to sow Harmony. We mustn't 'grasp' the thorny and poisonous weeds, but merely plant a very ferocious and hardy plant in their midst, and wait for its inevitable growth, which shall strangle and destroy the weeds with its truth, which shall spread out over the whole Earth and support a new Humankind with its Boughs, and nourish Her on its Fruit, and shade her with its Leaves. SAALOME GAM NAAN BEN UURDA, GAN NJJBER ASAALA HESPOROONA! - Matthew | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Matthew Just loved your 14th post! For a brief moment it made me forget all problems and truly visualise a better tomorrow. It is indeed very comforting to know that unlike most of us, our descendants would have a real good start in their lives and not be "brainwashed" by illogical concepts. And once the ball starts rolling it just keeps on gaining momentum. Oh how i dream of an era where earth humanity as a civilization one day joins the federation and stand tall shoulder to shoulder with all the others out there. And by the way could you explain this "positive degeneration/Ausartung" ? Thanking You ashwin | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 05-2007 |
Great post Matthew. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear FIGU-helpers and -members, It is not merely an inspirational post, but it is intended to point out that such a self-determined reality exists in part for the purpose that we, all of us, develop strong motivations in order to realise this end goal and expand our own evolution. Sure, that is a prediction, according to Billy, but this means that we must work all the more fervently and happily for its realisation. With the knowledge that in the end our efforts are fruitful, the worst loss does not lead to despair, but instead leads to learning from past mistakes. This is paramount. Human beings cannot simply lie back and wait for the new era to come. You see, sure, 800 years in the future there will be a world more suited to Humankind, but there are a number of terrifying, catastrophic, near-apocalyptic prophecies strewn along the footpath which leads there. These are teleological, determined dis-creations of the human consciousness of Earth, and their realisation depends wholly upon that antecedent. Human beings are but fleas upon the back of Gaia, and if we misattend/disobey the Laws of Nature and the Laws of Creation, we beg for our greater mass to be shaken off. We must always work and strive for our own betterment, for learning, and for the protection and harmonisation of the Mission, in order to fight against these destructive, anti-teleological tendencies. We must not ever lie back and expect the wonderful future to unfold without our utmost, most strenuous, deepest and most exhausting effort. Any who just lie back and wait for their 'shepherds' to lead them into safe pastures, are guilty of a great crime against themselves and their own evolution, and therefore a crime against their spirit, and due to the prophecies which they would have helped fulfill, crimes against the entire humanity of this planet and every lifeform on this entire world. Saalome (our goal, which we must work toward through self-responsibility for our thoughts, feelings, and actions, etc.), - Matthew | ||
The_eye New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
 Dear Matthew_deagle,  This is a VIRTUAL gift for you TRUE FIGU Friend Matthew_deagle. SAALOME GAM NAAN BEN UURDA, GAN NJJBER ASAALA HESPOROONA! A VIRTUAL clapping JUST for you Matthew_deagle!!  This posting of yours above deserves an OSCAR It is the most beautiful posting I have ever read and seen on this Forum!  I would like very much to know you in person and shake your hand. Salome Always!!! J.B.S | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 08-2007 |
Siraswhin, I don't claim to be an expert on die Geisteslehre/The Spirit-Teachings, but only communicate direction from what I have thusfar gleaned by reading Billy's books. The concept of positive degeneration is something which, partly ironically, Dyson mentioned numerous times on his website. It essentially entails letting oneself become 'too humane' in one form or another, which results in both a stagnation in evolution and understanding, and dangers to oneself. There is much discussion of this in Contact 251, of which there exists an English translation by FIGU (google cache of old gaiaguys text). For instance, the Creator-Overlords who genetically modified our genome to bring out atavistic traits related to aggression, etc., did so in order to compensate externally for their own positive degeneration. The concept is naturally quite deep, and all must seek understanding of it for themselves, while attending with utmost keenness the guidances given to us by Billy in this regard--the 'nudges' in the right direction which tend to fit together so clearly once one simply exercises one's own faculty of reason. One may find that these 'nudges' are Symbols in the sense that Johann Wolfgang von Goethe talked about, which clarify and expand, rather than concealing. I have also mentioned this in my posts elsewhere on this forum, such as in the Human Relationships section. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2007 |
the_eye, Who are you? And why is this your first post ever? And why is your name "the_eye"? I'd like explanations of all of this. And, if you would like to meet me in person and shake my hand, for whatever reason that might be, then why don't you reveal your identity on this forum? If you're one of the Network folks, all that I have to say is that it's pretty sad what you've gotten yourself into. If you're, however, seriously just someone whose very first post on this forum was in response to what I said, then I'd like to know why you haven't ever said a single thing on this forum before that post came up. 93, or is that 39? I always forget. O, hell, I'll go with the latter since I like the number 13. Maybe I'll throw a few unnecessary FNORDs and 23s in there, too. Which do you prefer? How about a link to On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences? Or maybe one of Ramanujan's papers on the Magic Squares? What interests you? Why are you on the FIGU forum? - Matthew | ||
The_eye New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
Dear Matthew_deagle, Who am I or how many postings I do have posted here does not matter but I tell you my postings are hundreds here on this FIGU FORUM. I am only a FIGU Friend Matthew and The Eye is only a nickname. FIGU knows my true full and complete name and surname.  The Eye just Observes and learns only this is important the rest...the rest does not matter. The Eye observes the Garden which the poor stupid humankind has destroyed because of the fake, crazy, and heretic teachings which were taught by the crazy ones in power.  The Eye loves to sow seeds...he is a seed sower and has been sowing soooooooo many many many many thousands and thousands of FIGU brand excelent seeds in his language...   And The Eye continues to sow and sow... and he keeps sowing... and sowing and sowing and will do so until the day Creation calls his spirit-form to rest for a while of his LONELY sowing in the distant country he lives. Besides studying the GeistesLehre with TRUE lessons of the Prophet Herr Billy Meier I love to study these kind of things here on the link below among many other things: http://www.safalra.com/science/relativity/tachyon-theory/ P.S - Congratulations AGAIN for your nice postings!} J.B.S | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 576 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hello J.B. .... Nice to see you here again . Much peace to you and your family . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear J.B.S., Okay. Did you lose access to your old account, or something along those lines? I wonder why someone would create more than one account. It feels somewhat dishonest to me, unless there is a good reason for it. Saalome, - Matthew - Matthew | ||
The_eye New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
NOBEL PRIZE Hello Mark, Dear Friend and Friend of FIGU Mark Campbell, Long time we do not talk to each other. What do you think of this idea of mine below? NOBEL PRIZE to share with all TRUE friends of Truth friends of FIGU and all friends and supporters of the Mission.  NOBEL PRIZE:Granted to Dyson Devine for so many seeds he has sowed on this Earth. For his translations of the TRUE TRUTH.  NOBEL PRIZE: Granted to Vivienne Legg for so many seeds sowed on this Earth. For her translations of the TRUE TRUTH.  Now the GOOD seeds Gaiaguys have sowed will grow even more and stronger than ever... its roots has taken deep ground and its branches will REACH the Heavens and its FRUITS will bear more SEEDS HUNDREDFOLD which will bear even more good seeds!!! May SAALOME be with you my mates GAIA Guys and FIGU Friends for the whole eternity. J.B.S | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear J.B.S., May I also say, that I feel that that image of the Eye of the JHWH/Der Ringnebel/The Ring Nebula/M57 is in poor taste, since that is, to me and also to the Plejaren, a horrifying symbol of the extremes to which human degeneration can reach. To me, it's like putting an image of Hitler giving the Nazi salute in the middle of your post in a positive light. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hello dear old friends Matt & Jose. Why those new usernames? You're just confusing some new forum members here Salome, Dejan | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Moderators and Members, We are fine and are still struggling to get through to this site, I think they are checking how many people are there on the forum from Oman. They may have some plan of action against Ashwin and me, we are trying are best to avoid that. I, with great difficulty managed to come on the forum. Salome Aditya and Ashwin. | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear Adiyasonakia, Your government is preventing you from visiting this forum? That sounds quite frightening. Remember what happened to Dyson and Vivienne, and don't let yourselves become martyrs through positive degeneration. Some people on this planet are truly full of hatred for all of those who do not submit to their control and irrational beliefs. They must be staved off, and not grasped! What kind of action do you think that your government would take against you? Are there any other cases to compare to? What is their problem with this FIGU forum? Is it because of statements by Billy against Islam, or the claim that he is the Mahdi? Saalome, - Matthew | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2007 |
Dear Friends Aditya and Ashwin, A truly sad thing to see that a government, well respected in the world, should take such an action. Are they so afraid of the truth? I do hope that you may be able to continue in this forum. Free speech is an essential human right. Perhaps you should "lie low" a while. I have enjoyed your postings, and Ashwin your poems are beautiful. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
The_eye New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
Mr. Matthew, I think I was wrong in regards to your wiseness. Yes I was wrong Matthew wanna be. You DO NOT EVEN know the difference between the so called JSHWSH MATA (THE EYE OF GOD) or The Ring Nebula/M57 AND THE HELIX NEBULA. You do not know WHICH IS WHICH or WHAT IS A JSHWSH! But I BARRETO will TEACH TO YOU how to recognize both of it.  Helix Nebula (NGC 7293) The Helix Nebula (also known as NGC 7293) is a planetary nebula (PN) about 650 light-years away in the constellation Aquarius. See Matthew?? Aquarius=WASSERMANNSAUGE  JSHWSH MATA - THE EYE OF THE JSHWSH AN EXPLOSIVE EYE..IN THE DEPTHS OF THE UNIVERSE. The Ring Nebula (also known as the Messier 57 OR M57 or NGC 6720) IT is located in the constellation Lyra. LYRA LYRA!! Have you learnt THE LESSON Matthew?? And I will take the chance to say GOOD BYE to you Matthew because I have SEEDS TO PLANT and cannot waste my time explaining the explained above to you MUCH SMARTER and than I. Good bye!!! WHEN THE EYE OF LYRA MEETS TOGETHER WITH THE EYE OF AQUARIUS MATTHEW THE TOWERS WILL BEGIN TO FALL DOWN A GREAT AND DEFINITIVE FALL! ONLY THEN THE "EYE WITHIN THE TRIANGLE" WILL BE MADE BLIND FOR THE WHOLE ETERNITY Matthew. Talm.Jmm. 9:18. Niemand flickt ein altes Kleid mit einem neuen Lappen Tuchs, denn der Lappen reisst doch wieder vom Kleid, und der Riss wird ärger. Talmud Jmmanuel Chapter 9:18. "No one mends an old garment with a new patch of cloth, because the patch will tear again from the garment, and the rip will become worse. Talm.Jmm. 9:19. Man füllet auch nicht jungen Wein wird verschüttet, und die Schläuche kommen um, sondern man füllet jungen Wein in neue Schläuche, so werden sie beide miteinander erhalten.>> Talmud Jmmanuel Chapter 9:19. "Neither is new wine poured into old wineskins, for the skins will tear, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is put into new wineskins so both are preserved. Well fit wordings....} J.B.S | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2006 |
Scott you mentioned you were having trouble trying to get in contact with Dyson via email. Have you or anyone else here been able to get through to him coz I can't. They must be really messing about with his email service because yesterday I got an email from Dyson that he actually had sent and was addressed to someone else. I mean the email address (abc@com.au) he sent it to wasn't mine because it wasn't for me but somehow I got it. Tony, would you please contact me via e-mail, you know my address. Scott | ||
Mehraein62 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
salome to all friends and hope to see D& V soon , also Gaiaguys.net .... cheer to Achmin for show the other adresses of the lost sites..thx Mehraein | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear J.B.S., Sorry, but it looked at first glance like a photo of the Ring Nebula which I've seen before. I should have noticed the stars, and the different cloud-shape, etc. Everyone is capable of error, especially visual error when they've been staring at a computer screen for so long (and the photo is rather small)! Well, I feel rather near-sighted having not recognised the difference there, due merely to the different orientation and size of the picture and the different colour-scheme used from the infrared photograph, probably a different part of the spectrum. I'm not an expert on Nebulas. Maybe I should get a book on them. Now that you point it out, it's clear what you mean. I apologise for my comment. I am, however, naturally sceptical of people who don't immediately post their information as who they truly are on the Net, partly because of my experience with 'mischief' and the like. There's not much point in defending myself in this regard now. A mistake is a mistake. Yes, indeed, regarding das Wassermansauge, this is an important matter to consider with regard to the transition we are currently experiencing into die Wassermanzeit/The Age of Aquarius. It seems that the Bafath had planned an "Aeon of Horus" for this time, though, an "Anti-Christ" age, since they deluded thought in their negative degeneration that they could cope with the changes of Aquarius. Obviously, though, their brainwashed progeny shall not be able to do anything of the sort. Thank you for your support, thank you for pointing our my error, and thank you for revealing your identity, too. With regard to that, I didn't know until Scott told me about your circumstances. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to All Well here us.figu.org works but theyfly.com, figu.org and the forum are blocked. But at times suddenly they appear unblocked and then Aditya and me try to make best use of it! Well in the beginning the two of us were "freaked" out a bit. We were thinking that most probably we must be the only two people from here going to the forum and it being blocked now would mean that we were being watched and all our movements tracked. But later we reasoned that there might be others viewing it and maybe they blocked the site on religious grounds. Anyways just hopping that all this gets sorted out quick. Salome ashwin | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 08-2007 |
Dear all FIGU-Forum readers, members, helpers, etc., I must unfortunately annnounce that I am, for the time being, leaving this forum. I wish I did not have to do this. I had wanted to try and realise some of the things Dyson wanted to see done with this forum. However, the threats to my life and my whole mission for Billy have escalated to the degree that I cannot any longer contribute to this forum without me being eventually destroyed. Apparently, some people really, really do not like the truth getting out. I'm sorry to abandon everyone like this, but I have no other reasonable option now. Negatively degenerate people tend not to give up in the face of self-destruction, and that's what these people are doing. If they continue sriving toward their Empire, they will cause their own destruction, since the prerequisite to WWIII being prevented is the withdrawal of their forces from the world and the end of the provocations for which they are responsible Saalome, - Matthew | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 04-2006 |
Now i understand absolutely nothing. | ||
The_eye New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
Tribute to Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg DIDGERIDOO!!! TRIBUTE TO DYSON DEVINE AND VIVIENNE LEGG! For you mates in Australia and FIGU Friends.. Enjoy SPREAD it... (Message edited by scott on June 26, 2009) J.B.S | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 05-2007 |
Uh yeah, well I hope everything goes well for you. Hope to see you back soon. Salome, David. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1382 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hector, It has nothing to do with anyone on this forum, but from other forces/people/organizations outside this forum. I can't say anymore, but hopefully this situation will resolve itself. Regards Scott | ||
Ennui246 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2007 |
Australians welcome to all but, I am in Australia has any body got any links to groups or any knowledge of alien sightings or any thing that can bring us together on views to begin with. As America seems all tied up in bunkers new world orders , 52 different spiecies of allien , 400 strong government witnesses. What are we doing/ we have nothing no technology to protect ourselves. So if you are in Australia and have any contact with any outer world life form please contact me or leave reply message /// I have seen them and my nieghbour has seen giant crafts be littleing 747 jet plans in Richmond NSW. | ||
Vibka New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2005 |
Dear All, this is my first posting on the forum, so please bear with me. (I haven't read all the previous entries as I am very busy and to impatient to get throught the maze.) As German is my mother tongue I have preferred to read the teachings "from the horses's mouth" so to speak. However I hope that I can contribute to a little calm and reflection that I feel we all need at the moment. Like all of you, I hope Dyson and Vivienne are being treated well when and if they are being imprisioned. But before anyone jumps up and thinks he or she should continue the gaiaguys mission ask yourself some questions: Do you really know the truth? Have you investigated the matter very well and do have sound proof that whatever you are going to publish really is the truth? And when you are going to publish the proven facts, and not assumptions built on what someone else said, then how are you going to publish it? Are you going to publish it in the manner of "gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit" (forcible forcelessness or non-violence) as it is described in the booklet "Philosophie des Lebens" on page 6. (If you need a detailed translation, let me know.) Forcible non-violence is the way of passive, logic force, or an active non-violence. The way I have understood the explanation given to me by Bernadette of the KG49 is, that we speak up about the truth, but in neutral positive way, not in a negative way. To me it means that we can publish wrong-doings by others or organisations (if we have proof!), but without naming them directly. That way they have the opportunity to look at their behaviour in a more neutral way, without having to defend themselves and becoming more entrenched in their viewpoints. And without anyone else possibly jumping onto their bandwagon feeling the need to protect them, which would be counteractive to what we want to achieve. We want a silent revolution to take place, to me that means that we give people an opportunity to see their wrong-doing without being cornered, losing face and having to defend their behaviour in the public. By the way, has anyone had the benefit of reading the translation of "Die sieben Stufen der Bildung" (the seven steps of education) as it has been published by Billy in the book "Die Art zu leben"(The way to live)? If not, here it is: I) Als erstes muss der Mensch die Wahrheit suchen und finden und daraus das Wissen lernen und erweitern. At first the human must seek the truth, find it, gain knowledge from it and expand on it. II)Als zweites muss der Mensch seine Gedanken kontollierend korrigieren und auf die Wahrheit seines erlangten Wissens ausrichten. As second (step) the human must controllingly correct his thoughts and align them with the truth of his gained knowledge. III) Als drittes muss der Mensch durch sein Wissen und durch seine Gedanken seine innere Harmonie erschaffen. As third (step) the human must, through his knowledge and his thoughts, create his inner harmony. IV)Als viertes muss der Mensch aus seiner inneren Harmonie hervorgehend seine eigene Persönlichkeit korrigieren, orden, formen, und harmonisieren. As fourth (step) the human must, based on his inner harmony, correct, straighten out, form and harmonise his own character. V) Als fünftes muss der Mensch seine direkte Umgebung, sein Familien- und Verwandtschaftleben korrigieren, ordnen, formen und harmonisieren. As fifth step the human must correct, straighten out, form and harmonise his direct environment, his family life and relatives' life. VI) Als sechstes muss der Mensch seine nähere Umwelt der Freunde, Kameraden und Bekannten korrigieren, orden, formen, und harmonisieren. As sixth step the human must correct, straighten out, form and harmonise his near environement of friends, mates and acquaintances. VII) Als siebentes ist der Mensch dann fähig, eine Gruppe Menschen, die Masse Menschheit, den Staat und die Welt zu korrigieren, zu ordnen, zu formen zu harmonisieren und zu führen in weisheitlicher, menschengerechter und schöpfungsgerecht-gesetzmässiger Form. As seventh step the human is then capale to correct, to straighten out, to form, to harmonise and to lead a group of humans, the mass of humanity, the state and the world in a wise, humane and creational just and lawlike way. So, before we publish anything on any website, we should ask ourselves on which of the steps we are, and whether we really have progressed enough on our evolutionary path to do so. In regards to Vivienne and Dyson I think we need to wait for the full and correct translation of contact report 457 before we can really understand the complexity of it all, and before anyone feels compelled to jump onto their bandwagon or make any judgements on their actions. Salome, Vibka (Wiebke auf deutsch) | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there matthew deagle, assuming you still read this forum i would like to say the following... i dont know who you are referening to , that is endangering your life (not that it is my business, and i am not poking my nose to find out) but i can atleast say, if we are speaking in terms of supporting billy and his mission, and then being harrased, threatened or worse by certain reclusive group/groups... then i can say i can relate to you there buddy. so here are my words of encouragement with good intentions. whoever wants you to stop what you are in the process of doing, has apparently (seemingly) succeeded. if we all just gave up our goals and ambitions (that run parallel with billy's mission) then there would be no mission, there would be a breakdown and a failure. it's a great thing to stay strong even in the face of danger. now i am not saying you are a coward, and i am not saying you should keep your life at risk, if it is at risk. what i say to you is that i to have been in danger, and some have tried to intimidate me and worse. so what shall one do? i went about my life, same as before. i tell you first comes the bite, from a weak mongrel, then comes a chorus of barks that simply bother the ears. do you know what freightens these people, these so called people of power? that which they do not know. and that is a hell of a lot. do you realise just how much power you have over someone, simply by creating a single shred of doubt in their minds? a crack becomes a crevice, and a crevice becomes a chasm. there's a tool you can use to your advantage (and perhaps you are already using that tool) when you want to succeed at your goal or ambition; that is the tool of deception (which really is an art form in my opinion)... to put yourself in a position where you seem to be at a disadvatage , to seem as if powerless and helpless, and it is in this place, you push the tides where you please. good luck with your mission, and in the ironic words of a drug addict i once met, "stay safe". | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 578 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi JB ; It's a nice gesture , the Nobel prize coins . I want to say to Ashwin , there may other reasons why your computer cannot access the websites sometimes , but they are very likely browser and bandwidth issues , although I don't really know more about this . I'm no tekkie . It may help to empty your cache from time to time ( or will that make it worst?) . Anyway , try accessing the site through sme links on theyfly,com or other places , and type in the address rather than use a bookmark . 'Herzlich Wilkommen' to the forum , Wiebke . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Vibka New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2005 |
Addit to my previous entry: I haven't progressed past step four yet! I'm working hard at it though, and I am grateful for all the opportunities of learning I have had since discovering FIGU two years ago! Salome, Wiebke | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 03-2007 |
Greetings Wiebke! Welcome to the forum... at least to the active participation part of it. Another German linguist is always a welcomed asset! Wiebke: <snip>... as it is described in the booklet "Philosophie des Lebens" on page 6. (If you need a detailed translation, let me know.) If there is additional information contained there, then yes, I for one would like to see it. Not that your point is not well made and clear, I just make it a habit of not turning down Meier material whenever it's offered. ;-) I look forward to your future contributions here! Kind regards, Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 183 Registered: 03-2007 |
Matthew: “ <snip> If they continue striving toward their Empire, they will cause their own destruction, since the prerequisite to WWIII being prevented is the withdrawal of their forces from the world and the end of the provocations for which they are responsible.” Strangely enough, the Plejarens give a recommendation for the use of peace-combat troops organized according to Enoch’s (Henok/Henoch) system. For the sake of peace, these peace-combat troops should radically intervene in every case by fighting in all regions where war or even mere unrest is looming, as Ptaah prescribes in Contact 242. The greatest of ironies is that there are so many who view the US Armed Forces as playing that very same role of peace-enforcers that the Plejarens are talking about. When nothing could be further from the truth. And UN troop deployment have acted thus far only as passive observers. Stay well, Matthew. Regards Bob | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Wiebke, Where have you been hiding!? Your application of Billy's teachings to Dyson's and Vivenne's situation exposes some of what could have been the elements that led to their challenge. The dangers of naming a dangerous group or person can leave a person as an obvious target. If what Gaiaguys posted about these offenders was true, your statement speaks correctly. Billy's 'seven steps of education' can help clarify what level we each are at and if we are far enough in our own knowledge/evolution to be able to lead others on such a large scale such as Dyson and Vivienne were involved in. Thank you for your logical insight into this event. I hope you are able to express more on this forum in the future. I valued greatly the efforts of the Gaiaguys for their help in exposing more of Billy's information. Both gave intelligent and caring work towards an impossible task of breaking through the veil of man's false beliefs. Along with that, Dyson was also aggressive in his pursuit of degenerate entities and surely stirred up the hornets nest. I visualize that these troubles they endure will pass, and a new energy enlivens them even better and safer than what drove their previous will. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2007 |
For J.B.S. alias The_eye, Why it you come strewing about all the red herrings? Is your path littered with the bones of the unwise? How is it that every post you make is post # 1? Only to add: >Remove the beam from your own eye, before you can remove the mote from your brothers' eye.< In Peace Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Peter_brodowski, Well said, your post for Matthew. I, for one, DO sincerely hope that Matthew can get past the "storm" on his horizon, enter back into "clear sailing." To Matthew: PLEASE do come back into these Forums when you can. Your insights and guidance are VERY much appreciated. As for the mad-dogs nipping at your heels, I would feed them some of their own poison = make it palatable,let them take the bait. In any situation of self-defence, I suggest the biggest weapon available. (Excuse the metaphor mixing, it makes the point). In peace Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Dolphins New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi Scott, The emails are still blocked. Why?? define?? Please Suzy, I have tried to reach you via e-mail, but your e-mail account is rejecting e-mail from me.?? Scott | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 01-2006 |
Sorry to have to post this Scott but I just realized something I unknowingly and accidently did before and are unsure if it could mean anything important, and wether or not I should bother to clear it up. I prefer not to take chance. I just want to clear something up I said/did in my last post here because I don't know if it might end up accidently causing Dyson more further problems/trouble from any those people in power in Oz on his back. Tony : "Scott you mentioned you were having trouble trying to get in contact with Dyson via email. Have you or anyone else here been able to get through to him coz I can't. They must be really messing about with his email service because yesterday I got an email from Dyson that he actually had sent and was addressed to someone else. I mean the email address (abc@com.au) he sent it to wasn't mine because it wasn't for me but somehow I got it." To those people because I think I know what they must be thinking after reading that. - Relax because he is NOT started corresponding via email with whom you are probably thinking he is there. (well not that I know if he is or has) Naturally i wasn't going to put Dysons friend real email address on the forum for the world to see, so I made up a ficticous email address there to show what I mean. And I did it (choose letters) that people often use in that situation to show others that the example/name they are using is a ficticious one, which is just start writing from the first letter of the alphabet onwards - abc.... Thats what I intented to mean there by putting (abc@com.au) and then next day realized I had unknowingly and accidently written (what could be) an Australian TV station's email address - Australian Broadcasting Commission. Thats just a coincidence and was not what was really there. | ||
Vibka Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2005 |
Hi Phi_spiral and Shawn, Thank you for welcoming me on the forum and encouraging me to contribute. Phi_spiral, I have posted a copy of my translation of "Gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit" (forcible non-violence) on the DB under the thread "Spiritual teachings - Application of Natural Logic". Kingman, or Shawn, I have been busy learning, I didn't think I had anything useful to contribute earlier. I must admit, I have learned a lot from Dyson & Vivienne. I thought they were doing a great job, until someone put my nose in and made me realise that I misunderstood the principle of forcible non-violence. So I did some homework and endeavoured to correct my wrong thinking. Nevertheless, I too value all the hard work that Vivienne and Dyson have done for FIGU, and I hope, they will continue their contribution to the Silent Revolution of Truth whenever they can. Vibka | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 02-2006 |
Hi Rod & Dave. Regarding Semjase's accident/recovery... I think that we are all wrong when we say that she will/must stay in DAL universe for the next ...no matter how many years of her recovery. Nobody ever claimed that. I 've checked this again, and here are the facts: And Still They Fly, page 13: "Unfortunately, on December 15, 1977, she suffered a life-threatening accident in the SSSC, and had to be taken to her home planet of Erra immediately for medical treatment and rehabilitation. In May of 1978, she returned to Earth and resumed her contacts with Billy until March 26, 1981. From March 1981 until the end of January 1984, she was again absent because there were other duties she had to fulfill. On February 3, 1984, the very last contact took place between Semjase and Billy. As an after-effect of her accident on December 15, 1977, she suffered a cerebral collapse in the beginning of November 1984 and was transported again as quickly as possible to the DAL Universe where she was healed by the help of Asket and her friends, the Sonaer. Her father, Ptaah, explained that the complete regeneration of her brain and all psi-powers, abilities and memories lost during her collapse would presumably take about 70 years. During this period, Semjase will spend MOST of her time in the DAL universe..." Well, most of her time is not all of her time... Salome, Dejan | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1384 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, I believe Semjase and Asket visited Billy at the SSSC on Feburary 3, 2004. http://www.figu.org/ch/ufologie/die_plejaren/semjase?page=0%2C1 Regards Scott | ||
Anday727 Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2006 |
Am 3. Februar 2004 besuchte Semjase, zusammen mit Asket, Billy überraschend in seinem Büro. Hi Scott, How much I understand, [still learning German], they [Semjase and Asket] have surprised Billy in his office! What a birthday surprise! How great must Billy felt... Salome, Dejan | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Vibka, My name is Shawn, Kingman is just a nickname given to me. Dyson was being very outwardly aggressive on his website with his relentless exposure of the pedophile rings and the links towards high government officials, as well as the OTO group. His site can get quite a few people visiting and the main page layout made viewing all the different info impossible to avoid. Even if one wasn't looking for such info, it was viewed. I'm sure there are many various elements that contributed to his challenges, but having serious information about potentially dangerous individuals is a little risky. I can say he was fearless in this regard, just maybe overly determined to expose these people and not realizing the effect that could result. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 09-2002 |
What country is Matthew from, if its allowed to be given. Hi Mark, You would have to ask Matthew. Scott Mark Gilbo | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 166 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi all of you who are interested about the situation of Dyson and Vivienne: They have closed down their website, and they are not in prison. However, they are prohibited by law to make any announcements or comments regarding the organisation(s) they were fighting against on their website. Obviously they took the advise from Ptaah and Billy at heart at last. Here's the translation of the contact report in question: ******* Four hundred and fifty-seventh Contact, Wednesday, 12th December 2007, 14:43 h Billy: Oh, you are already here, my greetings and welcome, dear friend, have you been waiting for long? Ptaah: My greetings to you too, Eduard, my friend. No, I only arrived a few minutes ago. And before you ask about what you instructed Florena for me to do regarding Australia respectively the website of Vivienne/Dyson: After all my clarifications that I carried out I must explain that everything by the two regarding their website it absolutely counterproductive as well as unobjective and shows a certain fanaticism. The website should be deleted immediately, which would rather serve the truth as well as the two authors. The whole, as it is set up, cannot serve the purpose, because the attacks have not been kept neutral and in addition they are only built up on claims, which cannot be proven by the two authors, because the ”evidence“ put forward by them is unobjective and extremely poor, besides that they are personally aggressive towards the sect. A fact that cannot be denied and which can bring forth great harm to both of them. All of it is an extremely thoughtless matter and on top of it against good reason, because when such aggressions are practiced openly towards a sect or against individual persons, then on your Earth this goes against the right to live one’s own life, which must be adhered to, even if the accusations were true, which in this case however cannot be proven by Vivienne/Dyson; therefore they are being held accountable by the sect via the jurisdiction. If open or private attacks occur against people or sects etc., then all truthful facts may well be openly named, however under the omission of any names, because as soon as they are named, a personal attack is happening. Criminals, law-breakers, liars and con men/women etc. may, against the sense of truth and justice, not as such be named openly on your earth, and in fact not even then when their guilt has been proven or is otherwise obvious, because this is forbidden and made punishable through illogical and justice-adverse laws, through which criminals, law-breakers, liars and con men/women etc. are being protected in their actions by false justice and false laws. But what Vivienne/Dyson produced with their website are pure suspicions which they fanatically fight for and which they only devise from the propaganda material, without having real evidence that what they so vehemently and fanatically claim and openly publish is in accordance with the reality. Therefore in this case it must be spoken of libelling, because assumptions are not equal to the truth, but in this case (they equal) suspicion, which corresponds with libelling, which they are for as long as the opposite cannot be proven publicly, respectively, that the accusations are accurate. Thus Vivienne/Dyson are not only guilty of suspicion, but also of libelling, unless that they can prove their claims without doubt, by observing those machinations, that they accuse the sect of, in the presence of witnesses. And what is to be advised now I can say in the following manner: Vivienne/Dyson should immediately take down their website and dissolve it definitely and distance themselves from any further action in regards to their accusations, because this alone would be right, not what they are doing with their website. Those two got fanatically carried away under the wrong understanding of what is right, from which they can never emerge as victors if they cannot verify their claims with strong evidence, which must be accepted even by a court. And that they end their actions as soon as possible corresponds by itself with healthy reason. Billy: This is extensive and clear, but I have already advised both of them of the same, but without success, because they don't want to be taught and they stubbornly insist that they are in the right, even though this is not the case, which also follows from your explanation. But I will phone Elisabeth today and fax through your words, so that she can email it to both of them in Australia. The unreasonableness that goes out from both of them after all my interventions via Elisabeth doesn’t give me great expectations that the two will find reason. Ptaah: Then they will have to walk the path of harm. Billy: We say to that: Whoever doesn’t want to listen, must feel it. Ptaah: A true word which will also be proven in this case, if the two are not teachable and do not walk the path of righteousness. And that they are on the side of fallibility is beyond doubt. Billy: That is the case without doubt. ******* Salome, Christian | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 07-2004 |
Thank you Christian. A lesson for sure with an example of a helpful person becoming consumed by what he believed was the right action. I would like to see Dyson reassert his higher intelligence by taking Ptaah's clarity and honestly examine his decisions and discover something about himself that defeats his progress. I can only imagine how greater a contribution a wiser Dyson can make with his focus being clearly just the spiritual lessons and Billy's writings. As normal, time will tell. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 983 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Bob.... Yes, very true. The United States appointing THEMSELVES, as being the Police of our world, is what the Plejarans find very very Disgusting! Including myself! Thanks to such irrational and illogical individuals like Mr. Bush(and his previous), this ill scenario came into action! And the UN troops could only observe; but the last I heard was, that the UN Troops can now take direct action when/if they are in a life threatening situation. That does, give them more perspective, finally. But still, they can not fulfill the Peace Combat Troops mentioned, as Henoch wished it to be, alas. Many borders will have to be crossed before this can come into realization. Edward. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2007 |
Adward: Nobody respect the UNO troops. The UNO have an army that everybody throw stones to them. If you have a troop, that is with the objective to fight and take action in a war's theater. If you want to reach peace you must fight, if you not fight you will never reach peace. The war is an inseparable thing of the existence. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Incredible, I find your posts a bit more unclear than what I need to converse with on a subject. While I may comprehend most of what you state, I am cautious in regards to many things you post due to the sentence structure and choice of words from the English language. For myself to be able to respond to you, it would be necessary to assume some of the meanings in parts of your posts. Example: "The war is an inseparable thing of the existence." I would have to guess as to your exact idea you present here. Not wanting to misinterpret you, I ask you if there's a software program that will convert your native language into a closer english representation. Everyone's ideas are part of the learning here and I feel you could better your input with assistance from technology. What do you think about this idea for you? a friend in america Shawn | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 05-2007 |
Kingman, I know I am budding in here but I don't think he needs the assistance of technology. Yes some sentences in his writings might have some errors but it's still understandable, at least from my point of view. Incredible, it depends what you mean by fight, if you mean fight with words then yes, peace can be reached but if you mean fight as in war then peace can rarely be achieved. For example, look at Bush's war against terror or the ongoing war in Israel and Palestine. | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 06-2007 |
Is that in some places the fight with words is impossible. For example the conflict between the Israel and Palestine. Always will exist a people that throw a missile or grenade or will detonate a car. The only solution there is an open fight until all the hostile peoples kill between them. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 300 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dave, you contradict yourself immediately after saying you understand him. Incredible can only really answer this in my opinion. Clarity helps in all aspects when we're not face to face in a conversation, that's a given. If there are any tools to help in this respect it can only better the results. The last thing I wish to do is reflect back to Incredible with a misconception I may decipher from his comments. I wouldn't of said anything about this if I thought his ideas were not important. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 302 Registered: 07-2004 |
The reality of the middle east conflict of the Palestinians and the Israelis' is that human emotions and corrupt leaders never allow the tensions to subside. Secret activities from either side, and from elsewhere, maintain the quagmire that destroys all attempts at change for the better. At the core maintaining much of the hostile emotional feelings are the religious beliefs on both sides, and power greedy humans Your example Incredible is unfortunately true due to the blindness of humans to reflect on only the death inflicted, and to forget that in reality they have lived together in the past as different peoples without the hate. But the solution you propose is not the only one. The different sides need new leaders to take control. Leaders that have ideas that will create an agreement for both sides to live peaceably with each other. The power hungry criminals are the ones stopping the reasonable people from being heard. War is how the criminals maintain power. It is a difficult situation, but not impossible. a friend in america Shawn | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 05-2007 |
Shawn, how did I contradict myself? Incredible, you are right about the war between Palestine and Israel, the only flaw in your argument is that the hostile people will not die out. They will continue to have kids and raise them with hate directed against the Israelites. If they continue fighting it will never end but then again there's no reasoning with those people. Well whatever... | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Dave, When you ask a question of a stated fact from someone, isn't that a definition that your understanding of that statement is not 'clearly' understood? My intentions to Incredible are for purposes that minimize the number of back and forth exchanges in a conversation. Please don't get me wrong in my reply to you Dave, I think it's great that you are concerned enough to take the time to compose a message for both Incredible and I. I am usually too clinical-like in my posts and can come off sounding more like some emotionless robot when I distill my english down. I would remain on the sidelines if I could learn more that way, but we both know that's not the way it really works in educating a mind( my mind ). So, with that out of the way.... Dave, why is it you feel that it's only the Palestinians that are hostile in this conflict? Aren't the Jewish people the ones who have been constantly incur-aging their kind to move into these lands from elsewhere? The Palestinians have been there. The Jews/Israelis keep coming from elsewhere. The reasoning with each other is impossible when leaders from BOTH sides keep their citizens from knowing what the truth really means. Taking any side in this conflict, when pointing to a wrong done( I know you haven't done this directly )by the other side, is short sided. That region of the world, and what has been going on through history, has either side at one time being the antagonist, and then being the subjected one. They are both so illogical in their actions, and neither position stands up as being innocent when scrutinized by outside observers. a friend in america Shawn | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Incredible, Warmest Greetings All, Incred, where you say: >>"If you want to reach peace you must fight, if you not fight you will never reach peace." << And: >> "The war is an inseparable thing of the existence." << And: >>"The only solution there is an open fight until all the hostile peoples kill between them." << What an INCREDIBLE statement(s) for ANYONE to make. This smacks of the concept from the book "1984", where WAR IS PEACE, HATE IS LOVE, OBEY YOUR DICTATOR - HE LEADS YOU TO FREE THINKING, and other such absurd contradictory ideas. You can't be serious.! Certainly, there NEEDS to be a global armed military force, made up from people of ALL nationalities, to DISARM all local militias and STOP ALL WARS. To encourage the locals to fight among themselves, killing civilians, damage to the infrastructure, IS NOT THE WAY. IN PEACE Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 05-2007 |
JRod, I couldn't agree more with what you have just said. Shawn, it's not that I think the people of Palestine are the only hostile ones because there not but it's just that they have more of a tendency to be the ones to attack first. Also it seems the people of Pakistan are raised with hatred against the Israelites, while on the other hand the Jews seem to be more peacefull regarding these matters. It's probably just a culture/society thing. Both countries are the problem. Don't think I'm blaming it all on Pakistan! | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hello J-rod7: J-rod7: What an INCREDIBLE statement(s) for ANYONE to make. This smacks of the concept from the book "1984", where WAR IS PEACE, HATE IS LOVE, OBEY YOUR DICTATOR - HE LEADS YOU TO FREE THINKING, and other such absurd contradictory ideas. You can't be serious.! Incredible: Hate is hate and love is love, war is war and peace is peace. What I'm trying to say is that if yo not fight to free yourself from your enemy, you will never reach peace. I know that this will sound a little hard but: The problem here is that if you not kill the male descendant of your enemy, your enemy will continue to fight against you, and you will never reach peace. Certainly, there NEEDS to be a global armed military force, made up from people of ALL nationalities, to DISARM all local militias and STOP ALL WARS. Incredible: This is a good solution, elimination of terrorist groups To encourage the locals to fight among themselves, killing civilians, damage to the infrastructure, IS NOT THE WAY. Incredible: What I have to tell about this? The criminal civilians don't have right to the life. The worst enemy of a nation is the low (criminal) peoples of the society. For me all this is a law of the nature. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 05-2007 |
Incredible, just because some one is a criminal doesn't mean they don't have the right to life. A criminal deserves punishment but a punishment that will teach him/her the error of there ways so that they won't commit the same acts in following lives. I beleive we have explained this to you numerous times in the past. Also here's a quote from your last post, ''For me all this is a law of the nature.'' You are also WRONG with this statement. The laws of nature are the laws of CREATION. Your are thinking through man made laws that only end in more blood shed, suffering, and chaos. I suggest you brush up some more on the Spiritual teachings before you say stuff like that. Maybe you'll also see that your way of thinking regarding these matters is just completely wrong. Here's another thing you should know. No one is allowed to choose wether they live or die since creation wants us to live out our entire lives to further our knowledge/wisdom so that we may continue to evolve. Salome Dave | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2007 |
I liked the website of dyson and Vivienne. I don't know why they have to shut-down their incredible website. They would shutdown the truth about the freemason and continue translating the truth of Billy Meyer. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 306 Registered: 07-2004 |
Incredible, Peace is peace, love is love, war is war, and murder of innocents is murder of innocents. Have you even bothered to read what the spiritual lessons explain what is the only natural situation for killing another human. You may understand the idea of only killing another when your life, or the life of another is clearly in grave danger of immediately being killed or seriously injured by another human, but your ideas on this 'sound like' your for the annihilation of another complete race of peoples. So who do you kill? Which side gets erased so the other carries on. I guess by your post Incredible you kill whoever has committed the last worst atrocities. The actions of both of these groups of peoples LEADERS are the wrong doers. To destroy another life is horrible and degenerate when they just happen to be incarnated into a certain group of people. What is the measure of who's turn it is to die? What Incredible suggests is murder. If you point at one group and say, 'look at these actions they did to the other group, they should all die'. It's equally as clear that the other side has done similar atrocities at sometime. Then they should be killed as well? So kill them all, right. The leadership is the problem. Not children and innocents that wish no harm to anyone. Humans have the ability to use logic and when the leaders operate on false thinking the people need to get involved. It's not easy, and it never will be easy. But it is the best way and there are plenty of examples through out history of changes being made when some believed it would be impossible. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Incredible Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 06-2007 |
For example: This world is filled with very degenerate men. look at this situation. If you have an enemy (a troublemaking man) that want to kill you, then is better to kill him before he kill you. But what happen if he have a son and/or brother? They will looking for you, and they will kill you if they catch you. Now, If they kill you, your family member will looking your his family members and will kill them. So, the only cure for this vicious and sick circle is to kill the man that begin with the problem and the men that are relatives to him. I know that nobody here agree with my politic about this situation. But is the only solution that I see if this was my case. I agree with most teachings of Billy. The part of his teachings that is very difficult to fulfill is the part where one becomes the instrument of evolution of the degenerate ones. "we born to die and we die to born" "Dont take the life seriously, after all you wont go out alive from her" | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Incredible_Dave And Shawn, Warmest Greetings All, Dave, What that you said in your post # 168 is RIGHT ON THE MARK. We can only hope that Mr. Incredible can indeed continue to learn the lessons of spirit evolution. To Shawn also, you have given VERY good insight, expressed well. Mr. Incredible, Are you paying attention? Your path is littered with the debris of "conflict thinking". It is only you, yourself, that can clear your way. The Sun WILL come up tomorrow, and should bring a better day for the peoples of Earth. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 989 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Rod..... Excellently put! Incredible's thinking Pattern is sometimes very very "Increadible"! Seems as if he is trying to absorb TOO MUCH information, that it "Confuses" his Material Consciousness, as well as his Consciousness, and Conscience! One should indeed, try and absorb the information bit-by-bit/step-by-step; and not try to Gallop it all, at one time! One will then, truly Suffocate One's Self, in One's Own Consummation. And as result: The Puzzles will not fit in it's correct places! Thus: A Clouded Mind...Will Always Say Clouded Things!; as a wise man once said. This is just - Constructive Critique -, for Increadible; no harm intended. Edward. | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Members and Moderators, For the first time in 7 days I'm feeling so happy. I have finally been able to contact you all. I know i may not be able to do so next time, but the feeling is making me jump out of this chair of mine. I have missed a family. The FIGU Family. Lets hope I can contact you agian. Salome Aditya | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2007 |
Dear Friend Aditya, HOORAY, I am happy that you have managed to re-join our family here at FIGU forums. I, for one have missed reading your posts. Good to have you back. Salome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Karlsult Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi, I have one question please. I tried to search the forum for an answer already... There is a myspace profile http://www.myspace.com/dalibor777 That man talks about Billy Meier and much more and I been reading his updates for long time... he mentions soul mates, soul life, soul families... I just wish to know if the thing about souls is fake, wrong or true? Here is his article about Soul Mates and Soul Families.http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=15422834&blogID=200661964&Mytoken=35E59778-C471-4A8F-A823DD80EAE7BCA117450483 I wish to know if he is totally wrong or not since I read his stuff... Thanks a lot! Karl http://www.outranksmart.com/ | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2007 |
Billy Meier makes the sharp distinction between the "soul" (die Seele), which is simply an archaic word for the psyche (die Psyche), and the spirit-form (die Geistform), which is a tiny fragment of the Creation herself (ein winziges Teilstueck der Schoepfung), which has no personality, and lasts essentially forever, never actually 'dying' but only at one point merging with the Creation in ever-higher spheres. The spirit-form lives after the body dies, but the psyche/soul, a half-material 'aura' of feelings, etc., dies along with the nervous system, which is part of its material component. The same with the ego/self, which is based in the human brain, particularly in the frontal lobes--it dies with the body, and does not live forever like some erroneous sects claim. There are no such things as soul-mates, according to Billy, although a person may meet and form relationships with other specific persons, the spirit-forms of whom have enlivened the bodies of persons who have formed relationships with other persons whose bodies were enlivened by the person in question's spirit-form--therefore, in simpler terms, persons can meet and form relationships with other persons repeatedly throughout their lifetimes. Also, Empfindungsliebe/"Sentient love" forms a spiritual bond between two persons which cannot be broken. Saalome, - Matthew | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Matthew, Good to have you back. I hope all the "troubles" are behind you now. Enjoy your posts and insights VERY much. Saalome Let Our LOVE show in all actions, J_rod7 | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 362 Registered: 01-2004 |
i did not realize the universe is a female matthew_deagle. is this a fact or is that just how you chose to refer to the universe? like "mother earth" or like that | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 05-2007 |
Peter, the universe has no gender.... | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2007 |
Peter_brodowski, The word 'Creation' is feminine in Latin by grammatical gender, as is the German word 'Schoepfung'. Billy generally says 'she', 'her', etc. when referring to the Creation in English. This sort of use is common among Germans when speaking English. However, I also support the use of pronouns, &c. corresponding to the grammatical gender for a number of items where the current convention is to use 'it'. I think that using etymologically correct grammatical gender could solve much of the current mess surrounding so-called 'sexist' writing biases in English. For instance, the word 'person' stems from French to Latin, and is feminine, so 'she', &c. should always be used when speaking of a generic 'person', while the word 'human' is masculine, and so 'he' should be used under these circumstances. When, for instance, however, a grammatically neutral word is to be used to refer to a human being, 'they', &c. should be used, since this is the convention already in English. To make it easy, it might be wise, when possible, to simply go by the German grammatical genders used for these words, since these are standardised, rather than looking up etymologies in the dictionary and figuring them out through research, &c.. Since everyone in FIGU should be learning German by now, it shouldn't be difficult to find out the grammatical gender of a word! (And for those new to the spirit-teachings or haven't learned a stitch of German yet, I recommend that you start learning German, but I'll also tell you that all German dictionaries list gender for each word, and, to make it slightly easier, I'll state that 'der'/'die'/'das' are the definite articles for 'masculine'/'feminine'/'neuter', resp.) I think that English-speakers seem to be quite confused about the difference between grammatical and biological gender, which has resulted in a great amount of wasted energy and several stupid debates with no reasoned outcome or logic involved in their arguments. It is of course true that, e.g. Victorian authors were very sexist in their use of pronouns, such as using 'he' to mean a generic person, when this is not grammatically correct; however, the idea that using 'he' when referring to a generic 'human' is sexist is just confused and misdirected thinking. I do also think that the word 'person' should probably be used more often than it is now, since it has a more 'personal' connotation than 'human' lately, due to the use of the latter to mean the species. If someone is to get angry about the 'sexist' bigotry and whatnot plaguing this posting, I recommend that they think about why they are angry, and whether or not that is misdirected and wasted energy on their part, based upon a simple confusion between two different meanings of a word. Saalome, - Matthew |
