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Jonas
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 01:20 am: | 
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Tell me something , Do you know the true story when you just can't find the words to explain it?
I'm back I love it, lets start changing the human existance so maybe generations on they may live in peace and harmony with technology beyond our comprehention for our children . I think I get it now |
Hasan
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:43 am: |
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Hello,
Who is in the Federation and are the bafath active today? Or is a form of this org active?
What is your consensus opinion concerning "Khyla" from Procyon?
Are the Alcyone Plejerans neutral or good or bad? |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 01:58 am: |
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Hi Hasan.....
Most of your asked questions have been discussed. Please, utilize the above
Search Engine, if you will?
Just type-in: Federation or Bafath, etc.....
Pleasant Reading....
Edward. |
Wildberg
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 03:32 pm: |
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I wonder, how does the Plejaren seeding thoughts into humans not contradict free will? |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1757
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 08:01 pm: |
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Wildberg,
It is no different than someone giving you a suggestion. You are free to choose to accept the idea, or reject it.
Scott |
Syn
Member
Post Number: 180
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 30, 2009 - 08:53 pm: |
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did not even knew there was a topic of this.
well if they send impulses to people, what happens if people dont realize what happened and just think that its their normal way of thinking. Not everyone thinks deeply and record their thoughts. So how would they deal with people who dont think as much as they should be? Sending impulses, yes it can be a suggestion, but in the wrong environment it can give off the very wrong signal such as a person who does not think often to his/herself might not catch on to their own thoughts and thus think its normal. In this case it could be interpreted easily as invading against someones free will.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Villatlf
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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Just to contribute with the idea of Plejaren sending suggestions versus affecting free will...
I imagine my mind as a radio that receive several radio stations signals. But more than that, my radio also send out some frequencies affecting others. So I see the Plejaren as a radio station sending nice and beautifull music. Is up to us to get tune to it. If I get tune to this nice transmitions/programes, it is my decision, and it is not affecting my free will. If I am not... so I just miss a big opportunity.
I hope to have my radio to be better tune every day.
Salome,
Francisco |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 351
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 - 04:34 pm: |
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That is a nice metaphor Paco!
Salome |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1395
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 02:19 am: |
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Hi Memo and Francisco....
I second...that! [Lets hope there are no commercials.... ]
Edward. |
Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 08:51 am: |
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"Just allow the Higher Powers to grant us the Serenity to Accept the Things we Cannot Change, the Courage to Change the Things we Can and the Wisdom to Know the Difference"
Otherwise ... Just Punt !!!
First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 11:01 am: |
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I feel the Plajerans and federation member races have a much more relaxed clause to non-interference when it comes to sending positive impulses to people of earth but are careful that the impulses do not cause dramatical leap in technical or spiritual leap of the soceity.
On the other hand, they never send negative impulses?? and do not bother to send unnecessary neutral impulse communications. They are playing in the borderline area of permissible interference to correct the problems caused by their forefathers and the Bafath. |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 503
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, September 14, 2009 - 02:59 pm: |
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Hi Smukhuti the impulses sent by the Plejaren and the Baawi to certain individuals (mostly scifi writers and scientists) does never affect these people's free will, because such impulses are transmitted via the unconscious. Those impulses cannot be compared to computer programming, like a set of orders that need to be executed.
Such impulses could be compared to "flashes", "intuitions", genuine and wild ideas cannot be explained, those targeted persons think they had "an inspiration", and the origins of such inspirations cannot be located, so the intellect assumes they are a product of its own thinking.
Of course the Plejaren and the Baawi do thoroughly scrutinize/analize every "targeted" person, they should only send impulses to those who are suited to receive them. Otherwise the impulses would do more harm than good. Unlike the Bafath, The Baawi never aspire to spread confusion among human beings, but so called Truth, that is, facts about life, the universe and existence which need no revision or future adaptation, because they are an unchangeable part of reality. Truth = Reincarnation, spirit, the creation, cause and effect, sacredness of free will etc etc
The Bafath were a bunch of criminals without any principles, without any kind of moral values, whose only goal in life was to subjugate and tyrannize this planet's humankind. They did not respect any human being's free will, but rather the contrary, they used any tool at their disposal to cause massive confusion, as well as obstructing the access to the truth.
So there you have Plejaren => Evolution friendly , neutral positive, freewill respecting intuitions and insights. Bafath => Abuse of consciousness, disrespect of free will, confusion causing orders/commands, evolution-impeding impulses.
In this planet at this moment any helping hand and any evolution-boosting advices/impulses are welcomed. We really need them. We cannot afford to refuse any external help, even if it comes unannounced and without a conscious awareness of its existence. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1471
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 02:05 am: |
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Hi Smukhuti....
Concerning your mentioned: On the other hand, they never send negative
impulses??
Well, the Plejarans do occasionally transmit False information, as far as I
know. I guess, we can also define this as some sort of - negative impulse -.
I remember the case, of the Flying Discs, in the time of World War Two, in
progression; that there were draft drawings...which had to be 'altered' so
that they could not fly properly, and as effect....the Plejarans...transmitted
'false' specifications impulses, so that the drafts were not properly usable,
anymore; result was: that the discs...malfunction...and with crash results, if my
memory serves me well.
This way, the Nazis...could not have full control over the sky....[Imagine, if
they did!!??]
So, sometimes if is best for the Plejarans to have put their fingers in our
porridge, I would say.
Edward. |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 22
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:33 pm: |
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Edward,
Now it came to me that in some talk show I heard that the Plajerans eliminated the memory of the scientists who developed a terrible energy weapon which could have destroyed the earth in 8 minutes. Most probably it was Michael Horn in Coast to Coast.
I remember reading that weapon part, but not the part about eliminating the memory. Can anybody point me where I can read this information? |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 23
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 01:16 pm: |
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Hector,
Lets take an imaginary scenario:
There's a sci-fi writer, Mr. X and there comes a impulse to introduce a character which is half material. Now, since he has his free-will intact, he still decide to introduce the character,i.e. 50-50 chance.
In another scenario, there is no impulse and no chance of half-material character in his story.
If you take the overall scenario, there's an increase of probability of the half-material character from 0% (no-impulse, natural progression of event) to 50% (impulse, un-natural progression of event).
Even if this is a positive (neutral) impulse not impending his free-will; would you classify this event as (positive) interference? In other words, what differentiate an impulse in the natural scheme of thing to interference?
If your answer is Yes, then perhaps this whole mission is based on subtle interference which aims to correct the overt negative interference which Bafath or any other groups have done.
As of me, I am thinking of asking Billy this question sometime in future.
You said and I quote:"In this planet at this moment any helping hand and any evolution-boosting advices/impulses are welcomed. We really need them. We cannot afford to refuse any external help, even if it comes unannounced and without a conscious awareness of its existence." I hope these impulses are always concealed, otherwise we would loose our power to innovate and become too much dependent on impulses. As of now, we are too much confused, so I agree with you that any help is welcome. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1472
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 12:33 am: |
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Hi Smukhuti....
Am familiar with what you mentioned. Michael did mention it, at least at the
PAR/Plejarans Are Real site, once; perhaps, even her in the past(?).
This concerned: Thermo Explosion.
If it were executed....the Earth would have been burnt to a crisp!
Edward. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 34
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 08:46 am: |
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I do have a complaint, though I am not sure that it is a valid one. It concerns secrecy.
There are far too many secrets running the world. The vast majority of the people alive are just mushrooms: kept in the dark and fed sanitized dung. Some are closer to knowing what is really going on, but their proclamations and behaviors are kept under a short, tight leash. And society itself is being constantly guided towards a self-reinforcing system of social stratification, controlling even the thinking of everyone (as much as possible...)
Still, we are resilient bunch of ornery malcontents; I don't think even earthlings can devise a society that will be less than controlled chaos. Hopefully, we will pull our heads out of the sand someday, perhaps soon, and face the machinations of an arbitrary tribalism.
But that is only the background for my complaint. Coming from a place of so much secrecy and deception (we are perpetually swimming in it, it seems), we may not view continued secrecy on the part of non-planet-bound people in such a graceful light as it would seem that they intend. I am not arguing that the Plejarans et al need to show themselves on the nightly news -
Would they present themselves to the world the following things would probably happen:
1. They would be ignored
2. Any of us paying any attention to them at all would be ridiculed
3. We would be taught to fear them
4. Finally, when it would be convenient for our self-appointed masters, we would go to war with them, even if they were not involved in the war in any way.
5. Those who wouldn't go along with the program would have to be removed from society.
Anyway, I am not saying that the Plejarans need to present themselves on the Whitehouse lawn, but rather that there should be no secrecy involved in what they do, how they are here (or not...), and how we can interact.
And this is where I am not sure that I have a valid complaint: is there any sense of secrecy in how the Plejaran material is presented (or for that matter, any other group). I realize that there are some things that we are just not yet able to asorb and still have a functioning, growing society, considering the spiritual maturity of the planet. However, I am damn tired of secrets, and am getting pretty sensitive to them.
One cannot place oneself on a pedestal, someone else has to climb down from the pedestal to perceive you in that manner.
Love is always the way
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 35
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 09:12 am: |
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I suppose what I am looking for is this: is there an open way, for the people who are so inclined, to learn more about non-planet-bound peoples and their cultures. I am not considering this for myself, but rather for the good of all.
I think that as mankind grows and reaches for its role in the coming centuries, it would be best for everyone if a path toward greater wisdom and growth was laid out.
Previous paths have involved initiation ceremonies and secrets out the wazoo. This kind of cultural growth does not serve us, but it does reinforce social stratification based upon a willingness to go along with who-knows-what, just as a way to rise in the social stratum. And it generates directionless, inciteless leadership.
Having a path presented openly, with clear foreknowledge of where it leads, and how it gets there, is a much better option. Particularly if walking the path by itself tempered our ambitions.
But there are so many things that could be done herenow to make our society better: the social engineer's lament.
Love is always the way
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 731
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 09:45 am: |
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Hi there Sitkaa, I says this kindly so I hope you receive it that way: It is very obvious that you have studied very little of what the ETs who speak with BEAM have said (even what is only available in English). If you had, then the reasons they handle things as they do would be crystal clear to you. I don't say this to berate you but it is tiring for me to sit back and listen to people demand this and that and to assume this or that. You are not necessarily in both of those categories but your post here was sort of the straw that broke this camel's back :-)
If you and those others here who have complaints would only think through things in a balanced and unbiased manner, very often the solutions and answers present themselves. That is not some hocus pocus thing I just say because it is something that I have learned myself. I still ask questions in a hasty manner at times but I rarely complain about things in the Meier case since it rarely does any good and because I found that things are not always as one assumes...
Take care and think it through. The answers are right there in front of you if you look with unbiased eyes.
Just as a side note, I am sure that you have secrets and reasons for keeping them, no???
Thomas
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 679
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 11:52 pm: |
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Sitkaa,
The Plejaren are hardly a secret. I would quickly begin a motion to deny your gripe if I was on the, 'Gripe Deniers Board Of Directors', (GDBOD).
I'm the first to admit I'm pretty low on the pecking order, being a surfer/construction worker/musician, when it comes to being 'In', on any secret holding Masonic-Black Ops-NWO-Illuminated Shadow Person-Clandestine Group, and yet I am able to know about the Plejaren. Hmmm, it seems like somebody has screwed up!
a friend in america
Shawn
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 09:21 pm: |
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I apologize for tying myself in a knot, sometimes it happens, and all I can do is apologize later. The way our society is structured right now, I can't see how it will come out of being mislead by secret people and secret agendas and secret whatevers ad nauseum without social changes that will be disruptive to say the least.
My concern is more for the long term. As mankind (hopefully) grows out of this kind of society our collective vibe is not gonna look kindly upon any secrets, except perhaps personal ones.
But you are right, and I openly admit that I haven't read the Plejaran material to any significant extent, although I would like to. I am just making a comment borne of frustration with all the psychopathic coteries that parasitize our society. I would hope that the Plejarans and/or any other more advanced social representatives would, Idontknow, do something.
We are, no doubt, a unique people by now, diverse and conflicted, and I am not so sure that the Plejaran or any other externally derived social model could successfully be applied here.
As I sit here now, I am watching an(other) illegal president talk about restructuring American society. So much about this man is a lie, how can I trust his intentions? Lies,lies,lieslieslieslieslies - and when will the mainstream media be exposed as complicit? At least this president is more intelligent and articulate - but he is not what he is presented to be. All this means is that someone is leading our country, our people and culture and economy and foreign policy and all of it, for their own ends. And this is secret. Who knows how deep that rabbit hole goes.
Were the Plejarans simply to sit back and say "Well, we will interact at some point in the future when the Earthlings get it together..." It just isn't enough. Yes, I know that it is a complicated situation, and I can understand the reasoning behind their decision, but I have this nagging feeling that this needs to be approached from another angle.
From what little I have read of the Plejarans, they are a vary objective people, but I might (carefully) suggest that this problem should be approached from a consensual angle. We are already in this human growth paradigm together - the question is how to grow from here.
Anyway, i suppose I could say a lot more on this topic, but I won't. Just let it be, I suppose. Thanks for listening, at least.
Love is always the way
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 680
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 11:46 pm: |
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Sitkaa,
I've replied to a part of your post #36 in a different topic, Current Earth Events, to be exact.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 01:20 pm: |
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On alignment with the shot in the dark...
It is a shot in the dark with which we are aligning. Not a complaint, mind you, but a comment about an almost painful amount of soft yes-ness, and I-had-to-have-known-ness.
For how long now has this plan been agoin? For millenia?
Who can see where this train is going? Can you?
I feel the change, the speeding motion as I focus on the truth, the awareness of a single reality, one which is climbing higher and farther, ever on. How I have put my head down, barreled along, aligning myself with the love I feel, and this new affirmation of the truth. And how I have explored it as well.
Sometimes, nay, most times, I put my hand out, beyond the tight wake we leave as we go, just to feel what I might be missing. Such is my mistake, both forgivable and un-. I want to learn, to know it all, everything that life has to offer, and not just when the loving is easy.
And then, as I break the boundary effect I am pulled out of alignment, and I question once more "why do I do this? Why do I align myself with a cosmic plan? And then, why do I test it so?" The only answer heard is that it is who I am.
I must find my own way, all the way to wherever I may go, even if it means alignment unto the ends of the universe. To thine own self be true.
Love is always the way
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