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Sitkaa
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Post Number: 115
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 05:37 pm: | 
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Any aikidoka on this board? Randori is a great way to get to know someone, to learn their balance and center, to see how the 'we' form relates. It gets the competitive urges out in a safe way, and you learn self-defense (and self-centeredness) in the process.
Tai chi is often practiced by oneself, and the focus is not so much on relating to another person as it is on self-defense, self-health, and becoming aware of manipulable body energies. An interesting form of this would be Pakua Chuan (aka: Bagua) which integrates nifty circular motions into walking a path. It, too, is thought to be derived from and applicable to self-defense moves.
Love is always the way
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Marbar
Member
Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 04:11 am: |
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I'm wandering about this, the men on Erra are allowed to have more than one wife. Is there some significance to it? Is there more women on Erra than there are men? I have no problem with men having more than one wife as long as he can handle the responsibility. |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 07:20 am: |
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Are women in Erra allowed to have more that one husbands?
Salome.
Suv
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Jonzie
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 09:02 am: |
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I believe Billy said yes to more than one husband. I recall reading that some female had two. In the marriages on Erra - very much unlike Earth - spouses do not own each other. I need to find the link where I read about this woman.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1916
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 09:12 am: |
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I have never come across anything which states a woman has more than one husband. Yes, some males on Erra do have more than one wife, and some choose to only have one, but never does a woman have more than one husband. There have been numerous discussions about this on the forum in the past, and if I'm not mistaken it also has to do with polarity (+ & -) of men and women.
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Gaiawingz
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 09:34 am: |
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'Tritt nun aber der Fall ein, dass in einer glücklichen Ehe ein lediger oder verheirateter Mann in Erscheinung tritt, der in früheren Jahrunderten oder Jahrtausenden in Liebe stand zu dem bereits verheirateten Weibe und draengt sich in diese wahrlich glückliche Ehe, dann erfolgt die naturmässige Reaktion dessen, dass Positiv und Positiv, in diesem Falle also Mann und Mann, in gegenseitigen Kampf fallen (Rivalität), weil die Gesetze der Liebe, der Natur und der Schöpfung unterbinden, dass sich Positiv und Positiv um ein und dasselbe Negative bemühen oder dieses doppelseitig begatten könnten. So kommt es zum Kampf und zu Hass und Ablehnung (siehe Schema 3).
Steps now but the case [fall] in, that in a happy [fortunate] marriage a single [untethered] or married man in showing up steps, that in earlier centuries of years or millennia of years in love stood the [at the] already married wife [woman] and thrusts himself into this truly happy marriage then results the natural reaction of positive and positive, in this case thus man and man, in reciprocal battle [fight] rivalry, because the laws of love, of nature, and of Creation underbind, that themselves positive and positive for one and the same negative make effort or this double-sidedly copulate could. So gets [comes] it to fight [struggle] and to hate [hatred] and leaning-off [declining] (see scheme 3).
Now steps in the case that, in a happy marriage, a bachelor or married man shows up who, in earlier centuries of years or millennia of years, already stood in love with the married woman, and thrusts himself into this truly happy marriage, then results the natural reactions of positive and positive, in this case thus man and man, in reciprocal battle rivalry, because the laws of love, of nature, and of Creation prohibit that positive and positive for one and the same negative make effort or this double-sidedly could copulate. So comes it to fighting, hatred and rejection. (see scheme 3)'
- Gesetz der Liebe, pg. 59
Peace;
- Gaia
gaiawingz.wordpress.com
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Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 210
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 10:38 am: |
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Also the women of Erra, not all of them, practice homosexuality/bisexual. This includes men too.
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra
" Some men and women are homosexual and bisexual as these are natural but anti-nature (with regard to the inability to procreate) genetic disorders."
Thanks
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 821
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 01:45 pm: |
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"never does a woman have more than one husband"
That's what the material says, in so far as I can recall.
How come we're getting "translations" here?
Salome,
Dyson |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1917
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 05:38 pm: |
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Hi Gaia,
Did you translate the passage which you quoted? Just curious.
Thanks
Scott |
Gaiawingz
Member
Post Number: 96
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 05:37 pm: |
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It's a one-paragraph explanation to an explicitly asked question. I think the rule-modification was that extensive/long, general translations were not appropriate for the forum, but that short translations (of a few sentences, etc.), about pertinent subjects were still fine.
Peace;
- Gaia
gaiawingz.wordpress.com
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Gaiawingz
Member
Post Number: 97
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 05:44 pm: |
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Hello Scott;
Yes. I had it on hand, and since the question arose, it seemed fitting to put forth.
I make no claim to mastery, but I rendered into comprehensible English to the best of my abilities.
Peace;
- Gaia
gaiawingz.wordpress.com
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 350
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 07:34 pm: |
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Hi Stephen ;
Your statement could be misinterpreted to mean that many of both men and women Plejar are bisexual/homosexual/lesbian .
"Some , but not all" sounds like either a majority or a large number , but by the way .... not all !
It's my perception at least, that the number of either is small . Does anyone know for sure ?
Anyone been there recently ?
Mark |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 211
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 - 04:43 am: |
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Hi Markcampbell
Granted, I can see your point.
I would, at a guess, say the number is small for both men and women.
Knowing how many persons on Erra who are Homosexual, Bisexual isnt important for us to know on Earth, I think. What would we do with that information if we knew it. Our problems are here and now on our own planet.
Salome friends
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1633
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 03:50 am: |
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Hi Marbar....
Indeed, there are NO women with more than ONE man/husband!
Man having more wives:
We have to keep in mind, this to is due to the MAN being the - inseminator -.
And a male's Libido, should not be suppressed. It is HIS Natural aspect
(/'thing', so to speak). All part of the manifestation of the MAN, within his
Natural way of existence: the Nature of MAN.
And in many cases: all that is Natural should NOT be suppressed!
That is just - The Way Of Creation -.
Edward. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 158
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:24 am: |
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Edward,
I know the Plejaren way is canon on this discussion board in determining ideals for humanity's social behavior, but the reasoning you presented is just not good enough for me.
Is there some better explanation for why a man can have multiple wives, but a woman cannot have multiple husbands? (As a man, I am all for that, although my wife has let me know she won't go along with it...) It seems to me that the explanation needs some polish, else you could simply say "A woman is a natural receptacle, and as such she should be able to receive from multiple sources..." or "It is in a woman's nature to constantly cast about for a better mate, discarding the weak one for stronger one when she can - this is just the natural order of things." Neither of those comments do I agree with, mind you, but they make about as much sense as the explanation you provided.
Perhaps the explanation has more to do with the fundamental nature of creation, or perhaps we don't yet have a full grasp of the natural creational laws that have been observed, but for me, this remains one of those Plejaren cultural quirks, and not yet fully explained.
Love is always the way
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J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1162
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:04 am: |
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*****
Well, not yet having been to Erra recently (at least not in this lifetime  ), I only know from what has been written.:
As so eloquently quoted by Dyson (Gaiaguysnet): ["never does a woman have more than one husband"].
The men on Erra (and probably throughout the Federation) may have up to four wives. The Females, on the other hand, will remain faithful to the one Man which is her husband. The Female is also allowed mutual sexual bonding with other Females for their mutual pleasure and companionship. The Bonding of the Man with his wives, and the bonding of The Females together, are founded in Love.
In Peace
*****
~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 877
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 12:14 pm: |
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Dear Sitkaa (et al)
It has nothing at all to do with libido.
It's all to do with "thinking spiritually", which means remembering that REAL life is (practically) endless reincarnations in which our expressed personalities all get countless turns being both male and female. It's more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it. This forum has discussed this topic into ground already. Check the archives.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 187
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 10:55 am: |
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It has nothing to do with libido.
Thinking spiritually comes with increased wisdom which in turn is a result of learning from mistakes and then positioning our lives to try and follow Creational recommendations.
The Plejaren, had Nokodemjon's teaching available and known to them as Nokodemjom was their distant ancestor's prophet. So IMO its quit possible that they (still) follow Nokodemjon's teaching (albeit, some customisations suiting their evolution). Now, we have Goblet of Truth which is containing the teaching of Henoch to Billy, i.e. the teaching from the same spirit form as Nokodemjon. No wonder it contain this-
Ch 4: 32) And it is rightful that the woman has one man only, because it is only through one man alone that a procreation (fertilisation) for descendants can come about; a man, however, may have three women, because he is capable of undertaking several procreations (fertilisations) with several women, but it is given for him to be able to be fair to all women in all things and in their provision and in their equality; and if a man has several women then a bond (marriage) applies with each of them, within which the other women are also included and take part.
Salome.
Suv
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1647
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 02:52 am: |
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Hi All....
Well, you got the idea of what I was trying to explain!
Of course, it was discussed in the past, and it would indeed be wise to SEEK
for Oneself, the details.
Libido, does EVEN play part of this whole scenario, eventhough mentioned:
'because he is capable of undertaking several procreations (fertilisations)
with several women...' And of course, the Spiritual aspects: which speaks for
itself!
Let us not think Cult Religious like, folks! SEX, is NOT only for having
children!
The Natural Libido aspect can manifest at times in every individual and which
in NO WAY should be suppressed. Through multiple wives the male can still
fulfill his Natural needs; if one female does not go into the/his proposal,
perhaps one of the others will.
Thus: I think you all should still 'sink deeper' into the logical aspects
within One's OWN thinking (and experience) process, if you will?
The Ch 4: 32, only defines the/a certain aspect but not in FULL definition.
In Practise, this is another case. All differently individually experienced, I
have to say.
"Circumstantial Conditions", would apply here.
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1648
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 03:11 am: |
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Hi All....
And indeed: LOVE, which speaks for itself!
The two females do 'direct' themselves in sexual acts solely towards the Male!
But, they both can exchange sentiments with each other, in a tenderness
fashion which is not associated with Earthly Lesbian type of actions. They are
not focused for this purpose, and for such relationship (in this case); as do
on Earth.
Thus: Natural Libido...is as Natural as can be!
Nothing wrong with that!
We should indeed, LOOK upon this subject in a much more Broader Scale/
Perspective!
Edward. |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 04:26 am: |
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hi all.
I for one am keen to enter a trial as student (male part) of such a friendly and open relationship
Are there in this forum, any female volunteers in Sydney Australia? 
I know I will get bruised just for asking, but no matter.
I think the male has been robbed his natural impulse, behind excuses of him being too "macho" man, (or "machista" in Spanish, badly translated but most widely known as "womanizer") and thus we refrain our natural impulse, for not trespassing into that territory
I think the male should have more decision power and less refrains, as long as they are in-love, in loving and generous (not living in poverty) relationships
though in these times, it's impossible for most women to accept or understand, that the man can honestly feel dearly and deeply in-love with 2 women
--
Salome
Carlos
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Indi
Member
Post Number: 391
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 03:48 pm: |
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Carlos, I don't think bruising is the worst thing that could come from your open request/plea from especially the female members of this forum, of which there are not too many!
The ego is that part of the personality that will more than likely desire to have 'less refrains' as you put it, and to make that path the one you focus on will lead to degeneracy of consciousness in my opinion, so I would be more worried about that if I was you.
Every time the discussion on this forum focuses on sexual behaviour, and then the Plejaren's societal makeup is discussed, and the Creational Laws that support it, someone comes on and begins to pine for that way of life here on earth.
We are not the Plejaren, and we don't live on Erra. We here don't have the collective understanding yet, that would allow such relationships en masse to work and the laws in most countries forbid it anyway. Even though there are polygamous groups scattered over this planet, polygamy is not commonly lawful.
To just want to satisfy your male urges, and find someone to allow you to do that does miss the point of the whole topic. Even if that is not what you meant, that is how it comes across.
This discussion should be about understanding the polarity concept, that is behind the Creational law that governs this, not about the dreams that some males on this forum seem to drift into after awhile discussing it, of having more than one woman to have 'relationships' with when really it is driven by the desire for genital/sexual freedom that is evident by the smile that would be on the face of the guy dreaming this. Of course men can love two women. Well, women can also love two men. That has nothing to do with this.
Also, just because from a polarity aspect, one male can if accepting the responsibility that goes with maintaining such relationships, have more than one female 'wife', does not mean he will always automatically head down that path. One would not seek it, but it would just 'happen' in the course of life.
Also, until women and the whole of our Earth socieity do 'accept and understand' the polarity concept and the Creational law that govern the balance of these polarities in this regard, men will never be able to successfully have these kinds of relationships.
This discussion should not be focusing on male genitals and their pleasuring or the need to 'sow their seed' etc...., but about natural 'balance' in all things but also in relationships.
I wonder how many males would be prepared to have more than one wife or would 'dream' about more than one wife/partner, if there was no 'sex' involved in these relationships other than for procreation, only real effective Love?
Robyn |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 117
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 02:32 am: |
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Well put Robyn!
Guess it takes a female to see that in (us) males! |
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