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    Sanjin Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2009 |
Smukhuti: Erster Kontakt (First Contact) Dienstag, 28. Januar 1975, 14.34 h Erste Unterhaltung/Einführungskonversation (Wörtliche Wiedergabe, soweit noch in Erinnerung) It says that it's written from memory. This is unlike the rest of the contact notes, which were telepathically transmitted. The copy I have is from here: Download PDF
My possible translation: Semjase: They call me Semjase, and I originate (stem) from the "Plejaden"*. Billy: From the Seven Sisters**? Semjase: Sure. My copy of the book Message from the Pleiades says this: UFO Woman- I am called "SEMJASE", and I originate in the Pleiades. Meier- In the Pleiades? Semjase- Surely. It also says that it's written "...as far as remembered" *The Plejaden is the same as the English term Pleiades. **Siebengestirn is the German term for the star cluster we call the Seven Sisters. 36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
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Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1095 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear all, All this feedback is most welcome and very instructive. I have two questions which I'd appreciate some more feedback about. The man who saved his neighbour's life from the homicidal maniac - http://theyfly.com/Concealment_vs_Lies.htm - was he a liar? And, if yes - did that make him a bad man? Thanks. :-) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 06-2006 |
Wow, a lot of posts - had to catch up on a lot, sore eyes now - Anyway for my part, I think its important to explore these areas - although i can understnd for some folks - issues like this ultimately run a very poor SECOND to the prinicipal core message of spiritual teachings and so forth, however more than once i have encountered folks on the internet who are put off by the Meier case because of some of these - what one might refer to as 'discrepencies' or 'mismatches' between what billy is saying on these issues compared to the...'facts on the ground' so to speak. Therefore folks who would have otherwise been more interested in the case consequently sometimes methinks have instead been turning away. Thus from this point of view - to my mind perhaps at least important for the overall mission to at least explore some of these tricky points of contention. Also would be inclined to think that its fair say that what led most of us here forum members to this forum itself (to Billy's message) is an overall tendency for not accepting point blank certain things presented to us but, rather instead - to be a little more discerning and questioning, and remain to be so, - thus i would be inclined to think that for most of us - most certainly without question - that process would not tend to just - get switched off and to accept blindly everthing that is presented to us - irrespective of the supposed truthfulness of the source. Ok enough of the very very general! - to get to the point and - just to add a little bit more to this and first of all refering back to the URl of the video that Sheila posted http://www.colinandrews.net/HiddenTruthDVD.html just briefly because i think it bears repeating... at precisely scrollbar 24.28 - there is mention of a farmer having witnessed 'BLACK TUBES' !!!! reaching down from the skies. Estimated to be in length at least a - "thousand feet plus" - and further to that "rotating at a high speed close to the ground" - going on for several minutes to then disapear and then be replaced by another at a different location in the field. In essense as another expert goes on to elucidate - possibly whats at play here is some kind of high frequency or microwave gravitional radiation. Now whether the folks behind this are - real world ETs, time-travellers, dimensionals or else in the end just plain old black-ops - one thing's for sure - if this account of a 'Black Tube' !! being suspended from distant the high sky above is in fact a totally truthful one - then surely onen must be forced to accept that its safe to RULE OUT FOR GOOD the contention that crops are always entirely made from simple boards alone - and blood,sweat,tears and a lot of organising & planning - Also, as it happened, Dyson just before you came back onto the forum i was thinking out loud and posing just a couple of ponderings... http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi?pg=prev&topic=14&page=10696#POST45251 So just to reiterate although these two crop circle investigators, who seem to know their stuff (the ones who appear in the doco i linked to at the very first) are giving the thumbs up for the 2001 Milk Hill crop (one of the images you have posted) as being genuine - ie that is to say at least NOT man-made. HOWEVER - & for what its worth (for right or wrong) - they seem to take, actually, rather instead - a DIM view of the Chilbolton crop, face and message itself - ie that being attaching to it 'Man-made' status/designation. Also to outline further on what i was hinting at in that previous post of mine - some of that is plainly explained in one of the links that you yourself actually have supplied in one of your posts - in respect to the Arecibo - ie that being the following... http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/arecibo.html To my mind the fact that the supposed 'ET message' corresponds to the arrangement of the error-reverse-image-book-format and NOT the original message as was originally designed and put out into space - just seems, to say the least, to be a little on the very fishy side - although i suppose the possibility still exists that these very clever ETs are being just extra extra clever here for no particular reason and going along with the all the more familiar book version, albeit erroneous version. who knows. Just wondering if you have any thoughts on these points - particularly the last one. - as actually had been planning to ask you prior to all of this recent debate - but ended up not getting around to it. Lastly, Sheila you were mentioning a Moron individual (smile) on youtube who calls himself 'flowerbower' - well there is a rather heated exchange going on between him and another individual who refers to himself/herself as 'justsayupyours' @ the following address.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8mamwqIPw Just thought you may find it interesting..to read that. ok regards all. (sorry if there are spelling mistakes in this - bit rushed) Giorraíonn beirt bóthar, Sean. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 10-2009 |
Oh Sean, you caught me, bet you didn't think I could swear like a sailor? LOL Dear Dyson, I honestly wouldn't care if I became rich or not. That would not be the reason for doing it. If I became rich there would be all sorts of things happening like maybe the scientologists would come after me, lol. (Or my cats might chew on it and become supercats.) Everything I have has come the old fashioned way - earning it. And honestly there is nothing I want or need. But will take your advice and could probably go back out there and get some more seed. Yes, I forgot that it was the star of david and thanks for the history and bringing that photo to life. I just got finished looking up raelian (you have to forgive me for being such a tard - but I didn't know what it was). They also use the same symbol. In Christian's response he only mentions the UK, not Canada. If Billy is protecting us through ethical denial, I can understand that. I've taken a few ethics courses myself. And like I said before we rarely have crop circles, people seem to have too much respect for farmer's fields. I know I do after my dad gave me trouble for playing hide and seek in the barley field when I was a kid. I first started getting into the ufo phenomena in July 2009 and at that time I wished for a sign. The crop circle made it's appearance on the front page of the local paper on 09/09/09. My neighbour finally drug me out there on the 13th and I was still insisting that it was the military. The farmer was great, they swathed around the circles and people could come and go as they please, and they did (no charge). Being the newbie that I was, I wasn't even sure if you were supposed to step on them. There was a guy out there that had just wrote a book about the Mayans and was talking about that. I didn't want to say anything but thought how smart were the Mayans if they had children's toys with wheels on them, but could not extrapolate that into something useful. There was also a lady with a gieger counter. What really struck me was when I got to the bottom circle and there was this really eerie light, which wasn't quite right because of the direction the sun was in. When there was talk on this forum recently about stargates being like a flicker around the edges in the middle of a field, that kind of struck a chord. Another thing, I have this boil like thing on my earlobe that has been there since visiting the crop circles six months ago. Boils don't last this long. Obviously something foreign in my body and my body is putting up some sort of defense mechanism. Like I said in one of my original posts, all (ufo) roads lead to Billy, and I've been impressed with his teachings because they have been the kind of things I already believe in. It just felt right and believe he was the go to guy for this question. The "so called crop circles" are all in the UK, that's where Colin Andrews coined the term and that's where he studied them and that's where Christian said that 95% were man-made and the other 5% method hasn't been determined yet. If Billy has decided not to be open with us because we need to find out on our own, so be it. So when he says the crop circles are man-made I would hope it was from some extraterrestial form of man, instead of it coming from black-ops because I find it easier to take the former than the latter. "How the hell would you know what my line looks like, it's imaginary." - my Dad, after being told by the police to walk a straight line. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1097 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, This ties into my last posting. It's well worth thinking about. 135. Erstaunlicherweise ergab sich bei der englischen Sprache, dass die normalen Begriffe der landesüblichen Sprache für England und Amerika derart primitiv und falschaussagend und die eigentlichen Werte so falsch bedeutend sind, dass eine Codierung in keiner Weise erfolgen kann. 135. Astonishingly the English language is such that the normal terms for the language common to the land for England and America are so primitive and falseness-expressing, and the essential values are of such false meaning, that a coding can in no way succeed. ... Billy Das wissen wir schon lange, mein Freund, doch trotzdem ärgern wir uns dauernd, wenn wir unsere Schriften ins Englische übersetzen müssen. Billy We have known that already for a long time, my friend, yet in spite of this we are continually annoyed by this, if we must translate our writings into English. Ganz eindeutige Begriffe legen die Englischsprechenden einfach anders aus, als dies der Begriff eigentlich darlegt. English speakers simply interpret quite clear concepts differently to what the term actually states. Normale, anständige Worte und Begriffe erachten sie als angriffig oder abschätzig. They despise normal, proper words and concepts as aggressive or contemptible. Für sehr viele Worte und Begriffe der deutschen Sprache existieren in der gesamten englischen sowie in vielen anderen irdischen Sprachen keinerlei gleichwertige Worte oder Begriffe, weder in der Form, dass sie denselben Wert wie im Deutschen aussagen würden, noch dass sie den deutschen Wortbegriff auch nur in weitestentfernter Form hauchweise beschreiben könnten. For very many words and concepts in the German language there exist no kind of words or concepts of equal value in the entire English language, as well as in many other Earthly languages, neither in the form that they are the same value as would be expressed in German, or that they could describe the German word-idea even slightly, even only in the most distant form. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p22-23.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1098 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks, Sean & Sheila, Sean, I remember reading that post of yours. From my perspective - and I have been publicly described, by the Raelians, no less!, as a "CROP CIRCLE EXPERT" (& I accept that title) - that the Chilbolton and Crabwood formations ARE genuine, as opposed to boards, ropes, computers, etc. I was deeper into CCs than I am now into Meier, and the phenomenon is DEEEEEP, I can assure you. Deeper than most people can imagine. MUCH deeper, not unlike the Meier/Nokodemion stories. Before I had to learn German to research the Meier case, I had to learn the language of symbols to research the Field Forms. As I said, all three ETs: Plejaren, Field Forms artists and the Bafath puppets (the the puppets' puppets, etc.) use SYMBOLS. "Freemasonry ... convey what has been described by both Masons and critics as 'a system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by SYMBOLS.'" (Wikipedia) Learn to read THEIR language and the scales fall from your eyes. :-0 The bloody handprints of the Bafath are everywhere, not just in Rome. Very confronting stuff. :-( The CCs, being more in-yer-face than the Plejaren, have been given an even bigger serve of polluting debunking than Billy. MUCH bigger. Chilbolton was verified by on-the-ground researchers late in the piece, quite a while after it appeared over two nights*, (one picture each night) because it was in a field next to the giant UK radio telescope which is off limits to trespassers - probably because it would have secret non-civilian applications. And when was this reply to the 1974 Arecibo transmission to the stars confirmed as no hoax I hear you ask? On the morning of September 11th, 2001. The doco, and Andrews, were - IMO - corrupted by the D.O. scumbags. "Give me a grain of truth and I will mix it up with a great mass of falsehood, so that no chemist shall ever be able to separate them." - John Wilkes Why was it a mirror image? Simple. It was a REPLY. Don't underestimate these little gray dudes. They may not be as smart as the Plejaren, but they are WAAAAAAAY smarter than us Earth folks. Sheila, there are more examples of personal "high strangeness" connected to crop circles than you can begin to imagine. Who KNOWS what's wrong with your ear, but chances are it's not serious. Some people do get sick, faint, vomit, get migraines, etc., but I've NEVER read of a fatality or anything close. Get your ear checked out at a doctor's, but - ahem - (don't mention the space aliens, OK?). ;-} My crack about getting rich was not a swipe at you. (Of course! I know you better than that!) But if SOMEBODY doesn't actually grow this super grain on instead of EATING it, then - well - WHAT A WASTE! And what about these cellular & genetic changes which have been scientifically confirmed?? We ARE EATING this flour! What EFFECT is it having on us, if any??? Has anyone ever WONDERED about that??? It's Alice down the rabbit hole. I'll have to try to reconstruct the page where we show the ONLY (to my knowledge) public, logically irrefutable, statistical proof that the CC guys have provided a connection between/among, CC's, the Disclosure Project and Meier. http://www.theyfly.com/gaia/disclosure&cropcircles.htm Watch the fields! Cheers! Dyson * I laugh when I read that doing one of these glyphs over more than one night indicates that they are fake! The UK is close enough to the Arctic circle that the nights are very short in the summer, and that part of the world is very densely populated, and crawling with croppies, as soon as one appears, all trying to get a look at the artists. So when a glyph appears, the fields are usually staked out the entire next night with people with binoculars and strong cups of tea. In spite of that, dawn breaks to find more work done, but no sign or trace of the workers. Check out the resources I linked to. They are the only trustworthy ones I've found. "The deepening complexity of crop circles: scientific research & urban legends By Eltjo Haselhoff" is a MUST READ if you want to ever understand why Billy and the Plejaren say what they do. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1099 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, A bit more about the "Pleiadians": http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/pleiadianplejaren.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 280 Registered: 06-2009 |
OK. I read my own post and feel what I have written is not appropriately expressing my though. So I think I should explain my thoughts a little more with reference. My last post reads like I am accusing Semjase of lying. Actually No. I am accusing her of a lie as per standards of earthlings which somebody not well versed with the case would attack. I replied to Randy to defend the earth human way of classifying a lie. When Semjase was saying "I am called "SEMJASE", and I originate in the Pleiades." , she was not lying at all. She is revealing a part of information that is truth from her perspective but untruth from earth human perspective. The difference in perspective comes from the ignorance on part of us earth humans who does not know the difference between concealment and lie and neither is having the Plejaren knowledge on cosmology or facts. Here is the our perspective as I have stated in my last post. Is Pleiades we see in our sky equivalent to the system that Plejaren comes from? No. Why? They actually come from a system 80 light years beyond and in a separate dimension. So is this a lie from earth human standard and understanding? Plain and simple Yes. Here is the FIGU perspective.
Whenever Billy wants to avoid a question, he does it with splendid brilliance, for e.g. on occasion when asked to comment on a sensitive news, one would often get in reply "Billy hasn't read it". Does it mean that he has not heard about it? Maybe Yes. Maybe No. IMO, if Billy/Plejaren would ever speak the untruth, it would be due their lack of knowledge (which is much bigger than our knowledge) which should be extremely rare or as an act of selfless conscience to protect human lives and thus concealment. Salome. Suv | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hello Dyson and all, The question put to Billy still doesn't completely answer the question of a lie told to protect someone or self, unless it qualifies under lying to conceal for the greater good, if there is such a thing. How long is a homicidal person going to wait at the door while the person stands there in silence to conceal the truth. http://theyfly.com/Concealment_vs_Lies.htm The deliberate telling of a white lie it would seem, is a small distance from stating an answer in an alternative context. If the murderer is told that yes the person is here but you can't come in and if you do I will defend my home, then if he chooses to force his way in, he then also forces the good neighbor to defend himself. However if the neighbor says yes he was here at one time, which could mean any time, then it's ok to deceive for the sake of the greater good!? As the response from Billy would imply this is a matter of conscience, reasoned out as to how it fulfills the meaning of and compliance to some unspecific mentioned laws. If someone is raging at his/her doorstep then this could tend to emotionally charge the thinking of the good neighbor and he might just instinctively save the man with an untruth in the heat of the moment. Does this make him a liar and a bad man?.... Define a liar and define a bad man! Is a liar one who tells and untruth then yes he is a liar, or is a liar one who tells an untruth for his own gain, then he is not. Bad is a very subjective and vague term, similar to the uses and meanings of the word Love, which requires a person to "judge correctly" with reasoning based on knowledge as the Talmud of Jmmanuel implies. Peace be to you, Matt | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 147 Registered: 02-2009 |
Fine-tuned Universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe The fine-tuned Universe is the idea that the conditions that allow life in the Universe can only occur when certain universal fundamental physical constants lie within a very narrow range, so that if any of several fundamental constants were only slightly different the universe would be unlikely to be conducive to the establishment and development of matter, astronomical structures, elemental diversity, or life as it is presently understood. what about the 6 finely-tuned constants in [10^49 universes-DERN universe]..are they different from our universe... Consider this, Life beyond our universe MIT physicists explore the possibility of life in universes with laws different from our own. http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/multiple-universes.html "cosmologists speculate that a multitude of other universes exist, each with its own laws of physics. Recently physicists at MIT have shown that in theory, alternate universes could be quite congenial to life, even if their physical laws are very different from our own." In nature there are no names... - mahigitam | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 570 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Smukhuti, I understand your point of view. It is my understanding the Tayget system (a part of the Plejaren's homeland) is located in the general direction of the Pleiades star cluster (seven sisters) when thinking three dimensionally as most Earthfolks do... have you ever pondered the name Pleiades originating with the Plejaren? Also, the point about Billy avoiding a question; I've never experienced that. Denying knowledge of a subject is an honest response to a question you don't know the answer to. It is only a relatively intelligent person who admits this and becomes more intelligent in the process... Creation in all things... | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dyson wrote - "Most of the Crop Circle videos I've seen were so polluted with pseudoscience and newage bulls..t that they were hard to watch, unless there was a lot of footage from the air. One of the best I've seen was Crop Circles - Quest for the Truth http://www.cropcirclesthemovie.com/ it's not new, and they dodged the Chilbolton code one, but it's still about the best out there. " Ok so i live in this small town - and the dvd store is by no means no great shakes at all. - containing mostly hollywood standard fare, not much in the way of 'fringe' subject matter - But as luck would have it, by fluke co-incidence - just the other day was browsing in this tiny charity shop with lots of old bits and bobs and broken down things - and anyway what did i randomly come across only.... the dvd "crop circles - quest for truth"! for the tidy sum of only - 3 euro... Score! anyway there are some interesting things in this alright.. (and also btw - think better to have the dvd - as on a proper big Sony flatscreen the true grandeur and majesty of the crops comes through much more so - as opposed to very often much more grainy - far more compressed images on the internet. - but anyway i digress) subsequently i have found this entire film to be online in fact - and focussing on one section - thats maybe pertinent to the recent debates on CC (hopefully one or 2 more posts on this topic are welcome - and that its not all done and dusted at this stage) at this address - http://www.56.com/u66/v_MjU4NTEwMjM.html at exactly scrollbar 14:30 - one of the good bits... Of interest is the scientist - who is talking about not only the fact there exists to be microscopic magnetic material in the crops - but also too, perhaps more interestingly - there is to be found --- a 'Linear distribution', in relation to distance as one moves away from the centre of the CC - so - hmmm quite compelling really in terms of demonstrating that there simply has to be a complex energy force of some description at work here (pretty much ironclad really in terms of the science when you think about - therefore not just a theory) - theoretically humans could be throwing a few particles around about a CC - but to get as such that kind of very precise linear distribution - thats seems to be regularly in occurance - hmmm could be that that is just stretching it a bit too far! therefore definitly food for thought at least. Also another section i liked was simply just focusing on the not at all too modest aesthetic merits of the crops themselves - in the way that actually, according to one commentator, that they represent in no uncertain terms the very epitome of the absolute highest level of 'Sacred art' that could be achievable - Moreover, that in actual fact - whoever is behind the CC in fact surpases ALL any current artists in the world working in any medium whatsoever (!) - that basically they are that good and tick all the boxes on that measure of aesthetic front. anyway that bit is to be found starting from more or less scrollbar - 00:50:00 at http://www.megavideo.com/?d=THI4J8CP and actually when you really dwell on it - the efforts of the hoaxsters - at times 'kind of' come towards 'approaching' a decent crop circle now and then - but actually on the whole....NO! - in reality they are just well...total crap - crap compared with some of these much more complex designs - that are FLAWLESS, like the one at Milk hill - which contains fractals - 409 circles, apparing in 4 hours during a thunderstorm etc. etc. etc. (other amazing attributes) Dunno - when you weigh it all up and really ruminate on this whole thing - methinks it does tend to maybe make a nonsense - of a boards only appraisal - if there was to be one. (smile) - surely a degree/measure of obfuscation being put into place by the Plejaren/Pleiadians friends on this issue?! anyway - just that i ran into that DVD by chance - so as a consequence resulting in one more post about it, and a few more thoughts on the subject. maybe some of the links might be of interest to folks. ok thats all - Salome. Giorraíonn beirt bóthar, Sean. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 285 Registered: 06-2009 |
Does anyone know of Aliatides - one of the three planets for which Ptaah is the Jschwjsch, besides Erra and Terra (Earth)? Is this planet in Lyren galaxy or in the time shifted Pleides that the Plejaren come from? Salome. Suv | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2004 |
I am curious if the Plejarens are amenable to changing how they interact with Earth humans. For instance, have the Plejarens always intended to remove the 'Giza Intelligences' from Earth, or did they only intend to do so once they were given the means? Although I s'pose the Plejarens are doing what they can for now, I can certainly think of a number of ways in which they can help us grow out of our own mean, insane societal psychopathy. Would the Plejarens be willing to consider changing their position on interacting with Earthlings if given the right right and/or means? Love is always the way | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 568 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Sitkaa, the plejaren removed the Giza Intelligences from their stronghold because they were commited to destroy Billy's mission, killing him in the way. They were going too far. The plejaren consulted higher spheres (the High Council) who gave them permission to take action in terrestrial affairs. The plejaren Directives do not allow them to interfere in other civilizations problems, as long those civilizations do not master space travel and have not attained a certain minimum spiritual/evolutionary level. The only possibility I see that the Plejaren would show up is, in case 3rd world war occurs, with cataclysmic, terrific, incalculable consecuences for us terrestrials and other neighbour civilizations (alpha centauri), they could show up and interfere, in order to prevent further damage to ourselves and others. Remember that nuclear weapons emit toxic, dangerous, destructive particles unknown to terrestrial scientists which do not only affect our planet, but travel great distances contaminating everything in their way. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 07-2009 |
The Plejaren were technically attacked and so could then respond in self-defense. I would suggest that it's an enormous waste of time theorizing over something that won't happen (let's take them at their word, shall we?) and which is so overshadowed by the need for us to pay attention to our own problems here and to learn how to "interact" sanely with each other...here...now. In simple terms: no escapism, please. | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 10-2004 |
"no escapism, please." I can agree with that. Escapism is not my intention. Seeking help in dealing with specific circumstances is. Peace, love, and happiness : ) Love is always the way | ||
Sitkaa Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 10-2004 |
The Plejarens have already modified the storyline here on Earth to a significant degree by stepping in and suggesting to some unknown ET group that they not reveal themselves in the year 2000-ish (Millennial ET's). Thus they do seem to me to be amenable to changing the way they handle contact with Earthlings based upon the current conditions here on Earth. Again, Michael, this is not escapism. It is an attempt to discern direction, however vague and unlikely it might be. I am not saying we need to develop a planet-scale nuclear tantrum, just the opposite actually. I wondering IFF people got it together and collectively asked for help developing a peaceful, just, and creative society, would the Plejarens be willing to lend some advice. The Plejarens are real, that has been proven by me. I just want to know more. Love is always the way | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 1140 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, I tend to concur with that which Michael states, above: "I would suggest that it's an enormous waste of time theorizing over something that won't happen (let's take them at their word, shall we?) and which is so overshadowed by the need for us to pay attention to our own problems here and to learn how to "interact" sanely with each other...here...now." But - in my very strongly held view - one of the most insidious forms of escapism (from the steep, hard and painfully injurious path of truth) is dogmatism, which results from "taking them at their word", no matter how absurd those words are, without doing the very basic independent research and applying the most basic logic to the bizarre, but necessary, assertions from Billy and the Plejaren, obviously wisely/lovingly designed by them to (try to) shake off (and/or at the same time, protect) the dogmatic believers and/or those needing to escape the harsh truth, in order to avoid the resulting devastation of their psyches - among other reasons. I'm referring to: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11009.html#POST48357 Salome, Dyson | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 244 Registered: 07-2009 |
Re: "...would the Plejarens be willing to lend some advice., etc." You're...kidding, right? Apparently you've been participating here for some time without ever really...studying all of the already available "advice" they and Meier have been providing for the past 59 years. Sorry, this is worse than escapism. | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 175 Registered: 02-2009 |
Contact Report 248, Thursday, February 3, 1994 Billy : one of Your main directives determines that you may never interfere in the spiritual development, respectively consciousness-related development, and, thus, therefore, not to the cultural development of any human race, people, or humanity of any world, if these are not already capable of astronautics the right. But what happens, then, if you are asked for an intervention? Ptaah: Even then, the same principle applies. Billy : With that, I understand it in the case of when the persons concerned Thus not yet dispose of authoritative space flight technology. Ptaah : That's not entirely true because the directive addressed by you just does not apply when there is a lack of space flight technology but still so when cultural developments are at levels that are in great need of development. Included in this is also the necessary knowledge about the actual existence of human life throughout the Universe. So ingrained in the same directive is that we may not interfere in cultural Scuffle if the cultural development is not highly developed enough and is not in accordance with the standards, as these are prescribed in our guidelines. Billy : When or where, then, are you entitled to interfere? Ptaah : Only where the directive of our demands are met with respect to space flight-related and cultural development and when there are no scuffle of any kind. Billy : Ah, I think I understand: where the demands of your directive are fulfilled with respect to space flight technology as well as cultural development, you may provide or offer assistance upon request. In this case, you may answer cries for help, under the condition that you must not interfere in the existing state and cultural development not in their. With the fact that you may not not interfere in the scuffle, it is stipulated that you may intervene in any wars or revolutions and therefore not in any political or cultural confusion or maladministration, etc., or provide assistance. Is this right as such? Ptaah: You always know how to explain the facts, which honors you. This actually applies in such a way, except in special emergencies arise that here and there.} Until you know yourself, just shut your mouth - mahigitam.. | ||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 326 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hi Sitkaa, "I wondering IFF people got it together and collectively asked for help developing a peaceful, just, and creative society, would the Plejarens be willing to lend some advice. " They already offered to help and was rejected by the U.S. Government. That is without anybody asking. So I would agree with the flexibility part, but they would not make the same mistake twice. That is a tried and tested path with dead ends. If we get together and ask for help that would either mean that we have taken the situation too far near the cliff and in the point of no return with terrestrial technology and wisdom; or, escapism - from self responsibility and self-sustainance. We do not want either these situation to materialise - do we? So I would agree with Michael that it is a waste of time to discuss a situation that would not be initiated by the Plejaren or would arise if the mission is a total failure. In any case the Plejaren are helping us by delivering warnings through Billy which nobody seem to pay attention to. "The Plejarens are real, that has been proven by me." Did you meant "by Billy"? Salome. Suv |
