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Edward
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Post Number: 2019
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 01:14 am: | 
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Hi Sauroman....
Welcome to the FIGU board!
Many questions, there!
They build (homes: semi spherical or spherical) using a weather resistant
metal alloy or, synthetic material, extracted from soil...primarily from
sand...and is similar to our known silicon.
Extracting LEAD from plants?
Have not come across that one yet, but...it would be quite Logical due to
certain plants do...consist of Minerals. It be Iron, etc...even your mentioned
LEAD; or...similar mineral. [Vegetables are quite beneficial you know, for us
humans due to the just mentioned properties; but, we need Animal proteins just
as well; has to Balance between the two.]
Why they have languages if they are telepathic?
Well, most Logical answer here would be: Every human civilization evolve
through making 'sounds', which in time would become a sort of language. This
sound, or language, would than through time Perfect itself. And further upward
through evolution, the Material Consciousness/Brain takes its stance and
conducts and initiates - Thought (Vibration[al]) Transmission, known as
Telepathy. In our level of evolution it would be called - Primary Telepathy -.
Further upward would be the known - Spiritual Telepathy -; for much further
advanced and Spiritual evolved beings.
So you see: it is just a Logical occurrence of Evolution. As intended by
Creation: to PERFECT, whatever the case may be.
They do...utilize Symbols, similar to ours, here on Earth; of course much more
highly Evolved/advanced; it be Mechanical or Spiritual symbols, etc.
They do conduct their musical talents, yes. Even have schools for whom ever
would like to attend them; even, those whom are - Natural Talents -, so to
speak. And they entertain more in a intimate fashion, as I understand. More,
in a Meditative fashion, I could make out. As like-wise is their dancing.
Most of your questions are answered in Guido Moosbrugger's book: And
Yet....They Fly.
Would be best for you to conduct some reading in his book for further details,
if I may advise you? Than, you can grasp the full explanations at their
fullest?
Pleasant Studying....
Edward. |
Sauroman11
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 04:18 am: |
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Well, your statement that humans require animal proteins is nonsense. I'm myself vegetarian and I know that my drawing teacher is also. I feel well and now I'm calmer than before. Human is not even adapted to eat meat anatomically, look here http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/.
Morever we intuitively know that we can't kill or torture sentient beings - doing that causes fear, negative effects on psyche(this probably caused people to be so violent and warlike). Their body, blood and even spirit is analogical to our. So killing animal is same as killing human.
Probably most of the people today would become vegetarians if they had to cut animal throat by themselves, because there is enought another food.
You meateaters probably feel so guilty that you try to say that without meat human can't survive. Well you are wrong. |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 602
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 09:43 am: |
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Dear Sauroman,
I am afraid that you are wrong with your statement, the human being is an omnivore, which means he needs both meat and vegetables to survive, if we would be herbivores, our intestines would be different, have more stomachs like a cow, also our teeth would be tailored to grind plant material.
It's basically the choice of every person to eat meat or not and some people require very little meat in their daily diet.
Meat does contain protein and amino-acids which are hard (but not impossible) to replace by plant based food.
Even the Plejarens do eat meat, however they obtain it on a totally different way then us Earth humans, they simply clone (grow) meat and consume that, only in exceptional cases when they need to survive, they will resort to killing small animals like chickens, etc
Plejarens oppose a strictly vegetarian, vegan or even fruitarian lifestyle since its not good for the human being, especially not for children.
Also think of the Inuit people, who's diet consists mainly of meat, and to a much lesser extend from carrots, berries, seaweed, etc
You can 'thank' the cult-religious fanatics (including Greenpeace) and nuts who oppose genetic engineering and development, also the gene-technology which would have enabled us to grow meat without killing any higher developed life like cows, horses, goat, pigs, etc
Until the time we have developed and accepted the practice of cloning meat, we have to kill animals unfortunately.
When reasoned from the natural-creative laws is the statement "So killing animal is same as killing human." not correct.
Killing an animal because for the sole purpose of food and survival is natural and normal, but not more then is required to live and survive, this law becomes inactive when a human race develops to a point where they can grow meat without killing animals, until that point its a form of natural-barbarism.
Killing an animal out of self-defense is allowed, just like killing a a human out of self-defense is not against the natural creative laws (NOTE: It could be absolutely the case that human law makes selfdefense illegal, so the previous information is mentioned just how it is in Nature, not how it is with human law)
Killing an animal just because out of pleasure (pleasure-hunt, sadism, etc) is an offense by natural-creative law and should be punished by lifelong banishment from the human population.
Killing animals just because of profit is also against nature since it does not serve any purpose except making people richer.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2024
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 10:30 pm: |
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Hi Sauroman....
Jacob, says it as it IS....!!
Alas, you must be following a MAN Made Erroneous Cult Religion Indoctrination,
which are made up of MAN Made Non Sense!
It is NOT related to any NATURAL Creational Teaching or Philosophy.
But, you are here to LEARN the Teachings of Creation(and NOT of MAN...!!),
which will, in time Correct you in your Psyche and all related...in the right
Direction.
"An Open Mind....will always find....TRUTH", as the saying goes...
Edward. |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 164
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 08:57 pm: |
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Sauroman11 wrote "You meateaters probably feel so guilty........."
I am a meat eater and lover! 
imo vegeterians don't know what their missing out on. |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 604
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 10:05 am: |
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I think it would be best to keep these kind of conversations in a constructive manner, if people choose not to eat meat, its their choice, and if people DO eat meat, it's also their choice.
The information provided here is based on the natural-creative laws and recommendations and natural facts, however people do not have to follow these laws and recommendations, its all in their own thinking and acting.
Opinions cant change facts of life, no matter how much people follow those opinions.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 10:41 am: |
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I couldn't kill neither human neither animal except in case of danger or if I had nothing else to eat. I just do not like to see agony, blood, guts and corpses. I just love nature and order. But somehow other people can kill without remorse. Maybe they are not enought evolved spirits and can't see beauty of the nature.
Amazing thing is that I somehow hated meat from childhood. I couldn't have in mouth anything what would remind soft meat(flitch, herring, red meat) because it would make me puke. I could eat only roasted poultry.
BTW there is a lot of good sources of protein in vegetables(beans, nuts, grains).
Also we can get enought vitamin B12 from natural, crude water.
So there is no necessity to eat meat or synthesize it. |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 606
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 11:02 am: |
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So, because you are an 'evolved' spirit, you don't eat meat and see the beauty of Nature?
I think you have a lot of prejudice and contempt for people who do eat meat and follow their natural omnivorous drive to eat meat and vegetables, it certainly does not show any respect even when I told you that both meat and vegetables are needed for humans.
The Plejarens are 30 million years (30,000,000) further along in consciousness-related evolution then the Earth human population and they DO eat meat, so with your words you say that you are basically higher evolved then them? Dream on.
No matter what your belief about nourishment, the human being IS an omnivore, NOT an carnivore and NOT a herbivore.
It's your good right to believe what you want, but like a cult-religious belief, you can assume its true all you want, it will never be true, since it has no touch with reality.
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 12:16 am: |
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So why nature, animals, humans are beautiful(or ugly)? Because spirit has wisdom, prototypical knowledge about nature, logical. So more spirit knows nature, animsls and human, more he loves it.
Why blood, corpses, death causes fear because it means error, chaos, stop of evolution.
Human can survive without eating meat. I gave explanations how. Here explained that human can survive even on vegetarian diet and even on vegan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism
Also I became vegetarian not because I fallowed religion but because I do not like meat, it me makes vomit and I can't tolerate animal killing. This is normal and natural. I think many people would become vegans if they had to slaughter animal themselves.
I think it is you who are believing every Billy's word. You do not even know what ET's are eating. Indeed if they are highly evolved they have to feel strong love towards animals and hate violence.
Yes I want learn, but please teach me and others to think not to believe. |
Abdiel
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 07:00 pm: |
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Is truth.
If creation crated you with an omnivorous jaw and you eat only begetables, you are going against creation because you are ignoring the necesity of your body to eat meat from time to time. The carnivore peope are against creation and the vegetarian people are against creation.
If creation creates you with an omnivorous jaw is because creation is telling you without words: "Your body needs vegetables and meat to work correctly"
Don't try to change a diet that is with us for millions of years of evolution wich is refflected in your onmivorous jaw. |
Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 8
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 07:35 am: |
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I wonder why gorillas or chimpanzees have huge canines if they are herbivores. If we have "Swiss knife" in our mouth it doesn't necessarily mean that we have to be omnivores. We are able to process both meat and plant material.
I'm going against creation? It is just my nature and it is impossible to change it. I just can't kill living being, I hate violence and I do not like meat |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 344
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 08:26 am: |
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Hi Sauroman11, it is claimed that chickens are herbivores, but they are omnivores, and you won't find that in any textbook. If I didn't see those chickens rip apart and eat that mouse with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it either.
Could it be that your dislike of eating meat may have a deeper seated root? Either by force feeding meat to you as a child or something happened to you in a former lifetime?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Historeed
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 09:25 am: |
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Sauroman11, you say, "I'm going against creation? It is just my nature and it is impossible to change it. I just can't kill living being, I hate violence and I do not like meat" Well, this is your individual choice or your "nature"...Does this opinion warrant the authority to proclaim that the Plejaren are incorrect in their statements regarding the need for Earth humans to consume at least some meat for specific vitamins? I, personally, am inclined to follow the evidence presented on all sides, which has led me to conclude that the Plejaren might have just a little bit more experience and essential data input on this subject than our scientists here on earth do.
-Matthew
Historeed
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Matt
Member
Post Number: 165
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 07:11 pm: |
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Sauroman11, you said/seem to be against eating meat because of a negative sensitizing event you experienced early in your childhood. I'm not a pyschologist but don't you think that says it all about why your so against eating meat? So maybe stop blaming/questoning Creation. |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 624
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 01:53 am: |
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Sourman , you're killing me . Perhaps you could be so kind as to walk to the front of your house , and shut the front door ?
Thanks . |
Sauroman11
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 07:30 am: |
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Our body is able to process both animal and plant food. But we can only eat what we can get. I couldn't kill animal and eat everything what reminds it, so I have to be vegetarian.
It is not my belief. It is compassion. I just intuitively feel that killing, violence, blood, corpses are bad. Such things cause fear because they mean chaos, stop of evolution. Intuition is actually spirit knowledge. Edward himself told that spirit contains only logical information and we should listen to it. While beliefs and theories are often erroneous.
Did you ever tried murdering animals? |
Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 291
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 06:05 am: |
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Hi all,
Sorry for the off topic post.
Its simple, If a person wishes to eat meat then that is their prerogative. The same goes for those who do not wish to eat meat.
It is said in the Goblet of Truth that humans can kill animals for food but not for degenerate acts of sport, humour, pleasure etc.
When killing an animal it should be quick and painless, like a shot through the head.
The Plejaren also do eat meat but they have advanced in their technology to be able to grow meat. There must of been a time when the Plejaren/Lyrian races had to kill for meat.
Logically many other human races throughout the universe kill animals for food. It is natural, animals kill animals for food. This also help nature by not allowing one type of animal becoming overpopulated.
So in conclusion. Meat meat or dont eat meat, its up to the person.
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Villatlf
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 09:13 am: |
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Plejaren are not saying we need to eat meet. They are saying we need animal protein for our body development. Is that correct?
I am in an interesting situation, since my wife is vegetarian since she born. She has never eaten meet, chicken, fish or any animal piece. She is fine and healthy. So I was thinking the Plejaren must be wrong when they say “we need meet for our development”. But… wait a minute, my wife consume milk (cheese, yogurts, etc) and sometimes eggs… so my wife has been consuming animal protein too. So Plejaren might be right since they are talking about animal protein, not just eating meet.
I have seen these kind of discussions before (you may image that is common to me since my wife is vegetarian, and I am semi-veggi.). I have seen stressed people, veggies and not veggies. I think it is worst to create tension having a strict vegetarian diet, than eating a piece of meet.
My advice? Just connect to your body, feel what your body is requiring, vegetables or meet; be a meat lover or a vegetarian person, both are fine. Just be honest on what your body is requiring, and do not think there are more evolved humans based on the diet. We feed our self not only with food, also with our thoughts and how we perceive the world. Being neutral positive is a good advice from Plejaren and from Billy, and that is more important than discussing our food preferences, I think.
Francisco |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 545
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 11:18 am: |
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Hi Sauroman11,
I would second Stephen Moore.
As Christian Frehner mentioned in response to a question in the Questions to Billy...section: "...Vegetarians (and especially vegans) tend to having thoughts that are fleeting and not "firm on the ground" (= not very realistic). The opposite is true for persons who are eating too much meat etc. and who tend to have slow thinking etc. -- Animal products contain certain stuff that is not available in plants (at least not in those plants that are eaten)"
Now, it is only natural for you to think that there are hundreds of millions of vegetarian in the planet, why is such characteristics not visible in them? The answer is: each individual’s body and consciousness reacts differently to different things. As an extreme example, there are people who smoke 20 cigarettes a day for 50 years and would die a natural death; and there are those, who smoke 3 cigarettes a day for 10 year and would succumb to cancer; while some would have health problems where it would be impossible to connect the dots and identify cigarette smoking as the root cause. Similarly, the ill-effect of vegetarian-only diet may not be visible in most people despite the fact that harm is being caused.
It is entirely your choice whether you heed to the information provided and consume meat or not. If you do not find meat tasty, so be it. But it is not good to force your way of thinking to other people, and you should not tolerate the vice-versa scenario also. For example, I consume some non-vegetarian items almost every day, but I like only moderately-to-well cooked meat; and do not consume any under-cooked meat like I saw in some European countries.
You seem to be very worried and confused as to why the so called highly developed Plejaren have given thumbs up to killing animals for food.
The Plejaren do eat "grown" meat, but we do not have any such safe alternative. Till our bio-science reaches the level and maturity of producing perfectly safe lab-meat, or animal protein from plant, you would not have the choice of consuming "real" animal protein.
Look at the scenario in this way:-
Human beings are OMEDAMS - He who fulfills Creation/Creation's law. Why was it was even necessary for Creation to create material beings like us who evolve from a very basic state of being, to human form like us, to half-material humans to pure-spiritual beings? Because fine material Creation is so perfect, so logical, so full of love and harmony, that it is nearly impossible to commit any mistake. Then again, material human beings like us just cannot exists out there in the sea of fine-matter – thus we needs a material world and a self-sufficient theatre of existence, where we can survive, fulfill our energy needs (by eating), continue to live, observe, analyze, act, commit mistakes, learn from those mistakes, and evolve. This self-sufficient theatre had to constitute a natural cycle whereby there are checks and balances and variety of life (imagine an extremely efficient test system would test all possible test parameter and scenarios in the shortest possible time and space), all eventually aiding in the material existence.
As Stephen wrote, it is only natural that humans kill animals for food, as animals kill animals for food. These are checks and balances, and efficient use of available resource. The interactions that human beings have with other species are important lessons for humans in co-existence, love, compassion, discovery, harmony and empathy and also a lesson for the benefit of the instinctive consciousness of the animals as well. Even the compassion in you, for animals developed due to evolution in your consciousness.
Just imagine the monumental event when a primitive human being in earth, who in hunger first tasted some animal, and triggered a series of similar experiments by others – some resulted in success, some in failure. Now we have learned and have come to a stage where at least some of us greatly empathize with the pain of the animals we consume, but at the same time, do not have the technology to have our animal protein need fulfilled artificially. In most areas of the world, butchers now take care that the death of the animal being consumed for food comes as fast and as painlessly as possible. In some areas, people prefer to buy ready-made preserved meat, so that do not have to witness the gruesome culling first-hand, and in some cases, people become vegetarian – as you did. This is life – where we are presented with choices, through our choices, we make mistakes, through our mistakes, we hopefully learn. As it is import to strive for evolution, it is also important to remember the mistake of the Sirians, who suffered positive degeneration.
Killing animals for pleasure is a different story altogether, as do indirectly killing of animal and wiping out entire species, due to human overpopulation and pollution.
Also, try to understand this line from Goblet of Truth Chapter 2, which is kind of best practice, but it is you, who would make the choice:
226) You shall only be prohibited from nourishing yourselves with things that have themselves perished and are rotten and therefore are inedible; given to you are all edible and non-poisonous fruits and vegetables, all fermented juices (alcohol such as wine, beer, spirits, etc.) and all the meat of all animals and other creatures from which you wish to eat, from the small rodent, from the rabbit, the goat, the sheep and the pig, cattle, the horse and the camel and everything that tastes good to you, but always in a tolerable and healthy quantity without gorging or gluttony; the animals and other creatures, rodents, rabbits, goats and sheep, pigs and cattle, horses and camels and everything that is edible may appear unclean externally because they live in dirt, but on the inside they are clean and good, therefore they may serve as nourishment once the outside is cleaned of dirt; also the blood of the animals and other creatures may serve as nourishment in some cases, and the fermented juice (alcohol such as wine, beer, spirits, etc.) shall only be enjoyed in a small measure so that no drunkenness obscures the senses; therefore the measure shall not be exceeded in any things and obedience shall be practised in all things so that all nourishment serves the bodily good and health.
Saalome.
Suv
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Sauroman11
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 12:06 pm: |
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I agree, people can eat anything they want, they have free will. But I'm trying to prove that it is possible survive without eating meat.
Bad thing about animal killing is not only that it suffers painful death. But also it's evolution is stopped, since it dies not naturally. Moreover animals which are born in farms, pastures spend all their life closed in the cages, they are used for slavery, they can't gain experience. For example 58 billion only land animals are killed every year worldwide. So you can imagine how their evolution is hindered.
I think most of the people eat meat for pleasure, because they have enought another food sources. Maybe meat is really tasty after all it contains a lot of calories like cugar.
It is only your belief that other humans throughout universe kill animals or that Goblet of truth saying truth. Believe only your intuition and mind.
For predators or primitive people it is natural to murder animals. But for me and other vegetarians it is unnatural because we feel compassion to animals - we better recognize beauty and order of the nature. So logically we have to be adapted to survive without meat. Creation had to know it. I doubt that killing animals can help us evolve.
BTW overpopulation is unnatural phenomenon. |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 581
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 04:10 pm: |
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Sauroman, your emotive claims of compassion and your claim that it is wrong to eat meat really are not as logical as you think they are.
The Plejaren are not the only ones who say that eating animal protein is imperative for brain development in the young, and also that it is likely that the eating of meat is the reason we have the brains we currently possess.
So, please, keep to topic, and discuss the issue in the light of what the Plejaren and Figu say about it, and whether or not you agree or disagree, but do not bring your own prejudices to the discussion.
Do you really think that the people on this forum, who eat meat are not likely to have compassion for animals?
Robyn
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Rustycrawford
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 08:29 am: |
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When I first really came to reality that this data from Billy was truly real, I cried for days as I reflected on my past. I became a vegetarian for 6 months, til I came across the part about it being bad for you in the contact notes. I do have to say during those months, my teeth hurt and chipped, and I became extremely sensitive in my feelings and did not even want to walk on grass. I was out of balance. I now eat only a small amount of chicken, turkey and fish and feel fine. 46 years ago when I was 10 my grandfather took me squirrel hunting every weekend.
To him, it was a trip to the grocery store. Every thing we killed, we cleaned, cooked and ate. He was so proud when he set it up for me to kill my first deer. I never killed one after that out of choice. I still remember the dear taking his last breath and the terrible feeling I had for killing it. He taught me to put aside my feelings and look it, as a natural part of life.
I then became allergic to red meat and if eaten, break out into extreme hives. Its been 20 years since trying to eat a hamburger and It felt like I was going to die. I agree we need to find another way, and not take a life. We need to speed up the process of growing meat. This would be a great field to go into for a young person on the planet. Build a protein grow machine and teach others how to do it.
Salome |
Colorado_dirk
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 12:38 pm: |
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Sauroman,
Plejaren consume animal proteins, and we should too for health reasons. These proteins are necessary. Until we grow said proteins artificially we need to harvest animals to give us these building blocks for our bodies.
Humans and animals are on a different evolutive path. Killing an animal for the sake of your health is not a form of cannibalism. As you traverse the teachings you will see that it is within your means to consume animals.
My friends and I eat elk that we kill, which migrate seasonally through our area. The meat is better than any other store-bought meat, not full of hormones and other weirdness. Taking an animal that you hunt subsequently becomes a spiritual experience despite the violence of its actual death. It took my person many years to work up to these experiences, it may take you some time too.
Friends of mine being vegetarians for a long time have developed deficiencies in their cartilage and bones and were told by doctors to start eating meat. Good luck with your emotions.
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