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Melissa
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Friday, November 23, 2012 - 10:23 am: | 
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Hi Matthew-
It is pear-shaped, not pearl-shaped.
The German word in question is: birnenförmiges
Text in context from "Introduction to Meditation" - located in the Preface, page 3.
“Es war im ‘Langenzinggen’, einer sich hinter dem Höragenwald befindlichen und sehr welt abgelegenen grossen Wiesenfläche, die stets für Segelflugzwecke verwendet wurde, als aus dem wolkenverhangenen Himmel ein birnenförmiges, metallisches Objekt niedersank und auf dem Boden aufsetzte."
birnenförmiges = birnen+förmiges
birnen = pear
förmig = -shaped
the es at the end of the word förmig, is an adjective ending for the nominative case, making the word neuter or neutral.
link to a dictionary source: http://dictionary.reverso.net/DictLookup.aspx?source=german&target=english&searchWord=birnenf%C3%B6rmiges}
English Translation version -
"It was in 'Langenzinggen', a very secluded large meadow located behind the Horagenwald forest, often used for gliding purposes, where from the cloudy sky a pear-shaped, metallic object sank down and sat on the ground."
-Melissa
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Markcampbell
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Post Number: 803
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 12:48 am: |
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Swiss Coregroup member Freddy Kropf drew a picture of the craft as being pear shaped , and the word that was presented to him was German at the time , so I would think 'Pear' was accurate , although there are smilarities in a pearl , not always being perfectly round . |
Matthew
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Post Number: 45
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 06:04 pm: |
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Hi Melissa, Thomas and Mark,
Thank you for your responses.
I suppose my question relates really to the details of what Billy actually saw represented chronologically so that we have a better idea of what he actually witnessed as a child. This is important because I think that it would help me and future generations better understand the details of the case to identify whether anything got mixed up/lost in translation, or is unknown. Without the transcript of the conversation Billy had or the way that the book, "Message from the Pleiades" got written and whether Billy was helped with the English, I cannot 100% confirm its accuracy. There seems to me some questions as to the original transcript as there are written errors in the text which are not significant but do point to, maybe, misinterpretations occurring in the German to English translation.
What I really need to know is not available in terms of how the pear-like object compares or relates, in terms of physical appearances, to other objects seen by the young Billy as these are not represented, drawn or photographed, etc., and if Billy himself was told if Sfath was present in the sphere seen in the sky by Billy in earlier experiences where he had telepathic experiences associated with an appearance of spherical objects daily. A diagram showing the objects from left to right in chronological order with descriptions of what kind of objects or ships they were would be useful to help me understand how Billy saw these. I must attempt to do this when I am next with Billy.
I would then be able to cross-reference the material according to Wendelle Stevens' book, "Message from the Pleiades. Vol. 1, 1988".
On Page 12, (Late Summer to Autumn experiences 1942) "Message from the Pleiades"
Billy had visual contact of a sphere along with telepathic contact, reported as follows; "One nice and warm late Summer day I saw, to my delight, a spherical object high in the sky, slowly approaching and descending until I could see that it was a regular sphere. Then it disappeared in a flash with no trace and without any noise or reason. Following that time these daylight operations were repeated, and one day I again felt something strange in me. It was like a voice somewhere in my head, and also inexplicable pictures presented themselves. The inner voice and pictures advised me intently and continuously to search for answers and also to find them. This began in the late Autumn of 1942 only a few months before my 6th birthday."
So Billy had telepathic contact he later identifies as Sfath's voice whilst observing spherical objects. This was before his first physical contact with Sfath when he went into a "pear-shaped" and "pearl-like" ship. Was the daily seen object the same ship seen later in the second contact Billy had with Sfath or another type of objet? There is no information on this.
In Billy's second contact with Sfath he describes a "pearl-like" "silvery object" . The first sphere he sighted could have been a telemeter disk that triggered Sfath's telepathic voice in the young Billy, or, the "regular sphere" could have just as easily been the same "pearl-like" "silvery object" Billy describes in his second contact with Sfath for which there do not seem to be any diagrams nor illustrations?
Therefore in chronological order, the record from Billy is of him seeing;
1. A spherical object,
2. Star-like ships,
3. A pearl-like pear-shaped object and,
4. A pearl-like, silvery object.
There is no full explanation as to whether 1 and 4 were related or whether they were different objects in these separate events spanning Summer to late Autumn in 1942. I doubt if Billy knows this either but I would be interested to know how they looked to him visually to establish some links with the case.
The First Physical Contact with Sfath - "Message from the Pleiades, Vol. 1, 1988, Wendelle Stevens"
Page 13,
(Billy's first sighting of Sfath's "pear-shaped" and "pearly" ship)
"...in November of 1942, I had a rather peculiar experience. It happened in the "Langenziggen", in an out-of-the-way meadow behind Horagen forest which was used for glider landings. One day, from a cloudy sky, a pear-shaped flying object descended and touched the ground. Out of the object came a very old man, and he signalled for me to come to him. I followed him without a word to say, and allowed him to take me into his air-vehicle. Almost immediately, I noticed on the screens that we were high above the ground. Then the pearly ship descended again and settled gently onto the ground without my even feeling the touchdown."
Thomas - I believe that this ship is illustrated in "Through Space and Time", page 6, "Graphic depiction of a contact between Sfath and "Billy" Meier"".
Mark - Perhaps the drawing in "Through Space and Time" was the Freddy Kopf drawing you refer to? I'm not sure, but I have seen the diagram in "Through Space and Time" as I own a copy of that book but there is no indication in that book as to who the artist is of the diagram but it is pear-shaped.
Page 17,
Billy's second contact with Sfath in his "pearl-like" ship. No pear-shape mentioned. Important to note: Billy is surprised by this ship as if he has not seen it before, i.e., it is different from the first ship he stepped into with Sfath...
"So the time passed until late Summer 1944, when once again , as I strolled a l one, deep in thought , through the "Langenzinggen" of the Horagen forest near Bulach, I had walked some distance along , when suddenly Sfath announced himself by his now becoming familiar telepathic method, and explained to me that I should wait some minutes and not get worried. So I just waited expectantly to see what would happen. It did not take long, only a few minutes, and there a silvery object flew from the sky. A, for my understanding, seeming rather strange formation of metal not more than five or six meters in diameter. Near to me the object touched the ground, a pearl-like flying machine, as I stared in fascination. I could now see something moving in the side of the object, an opening forming itself, and outstepped a figure. It was an already very old man, who was inside of a very strange suit. He was now walking 'towards me, like before, when years ago I saw him for the first time. This time he was in a sort of deep-sea diving-suit , which was quite silvery outside, and of which the helmet was missing."
It appears that Billy is describing a different object from the first object he saw in contact with Sfath as he sees and describes new things associated with this object. He only follows Sfath "like before" but does not clarify if the object he steps into is the same as the one before or if this second ship was spherical, pear-shaped or what? Is it in any way related to objects observed by Billy earlier that had "disappeared in a flash" one "late Summer day" when he also had telepathic contact with Sfath?
Salome,
Matthew |
Thomas
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 10:03 am: |
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Hello again Matthew. You are using some material which is full of errors and I also have to add that this stuff is really not important. It is interesting of course but the focus of all of this should rest on the spiritual teaching itself. I do not mean that you should abandon your interest in the ships and all of that, only that it seems to me that you are putting a lot of effort into things that should be for yourself and not for the public.
This is only my opinion though :-) |
Melissa
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 10:59 am: |
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Hi Matthew,
I am not sure if you are basing your conclusions from just Wendelle Stevens book(s), but here is an excerpt which might help:
The origin of the English-language translation in Stevens' books (published 1988-1995) is as follows, to the best of my reasoning with the information provided. The original English-language translation of the Contact Reports was done "by a young German college student who spent a great deal of time at the Meier home, living with them and observing the various witnesses in their daily lives, and seeking very careful explanations. His translations were then checked and approved, as he proceeded, by both the others at the home and by Eduard Meier himself." (MFTP preface). Stevens purchased an edited variation (MFTP2 pg.151) of this translation in 1979 as a "standard approved 1,800 pages in 100-page booklets" (MFTP4 pg.403), which had been "copied by Amata Stetter, who partly changed the meaning unauthorized and also copied wrong" (Meier, MFTP4 pg.404). The errors in the previously approved copies were discovered by FIGU circa 1992, "accordingly we had to correct and to print everything again" (Meier, MFTP4 pg.404). Thus, PLEASE NOTE and take into consideration that there are not only omissions in the Stevens books, but also, more crucially, interpretation, translation and various clerical errors throughout (sentence numbering, spelling, numerical, etc.). AGAIN, FULL INFORMATIONAL RELIABILITY ON ANY GIVEN TOPIC, QUOTATION OR EVENT CAN ONLY BE HAD FROM A CAREFUL READING OF THE GERMAN-LANGUAGE CONTACT REPORTS.
Found here: and I'm sure many other places: http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Cnotes.html
-Melissa
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Jedaiah
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 03:25 am: |
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Hi Edward,
I understand you're point, but that still does not dictate them to do what they have done / are doing. Sure, their ancestors may have made mistakes, but by all means - these people are NOT them. If they're doing all this out of the graciousness of their heart, then that does really pause one to sit and think. |
Matthew
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 05:32 am: |
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Hi Melissa & Thomas,
Thanks for your responses. So my point about Wendelle Stevens' "Message from the Pleiades, Vol 1." book is correct in that it contains errors.
Thomas - This is the prelude to the first Official Contact Report Vol. 1 with Sfath on Saturday, February 3rd, 1945, 12.10PM and the story of how young Billy first came into contact with the Plejaren, by visual, telepathic and physical means. This story has only ever been translated and published into English in Stevens' book which we know contains errors and the 'Introduction to Meditation' book and neither answer the kinds of questions I am asking which why I feel I need to ask Billy some question in relation to this at some point.
I think it is important we get more information from Billy about his early experiences. It is, for me, about seeing things as the young Billy experienced them and how they were connected in terms of his telepathic and conscious-related experiences and abilities. It's not just about the ships but about Billy's early experiences that lead up to his conversations with the Plejaren as detailed in the CRs. What did the ships look like to the young Meier? Who was piloting the discus-like object Billy saw with his father and where were they from?
I think that in hundreds of years time people will exactly want to know those kind of details so that they can put themselves in the story and realise how incredible he was as a young boy of 5 to keep calm about all the things he was experiencing. It was important for the young Billy to keep an interest in the strange objects he was seeing in the sky in order to prepare him for the first contacts. I, for one, want to know what started this? Its not just about ships but about portraying these events correctly with as much detail as possible.
In terms of story-telling, what is Superman without knowing that the young Kal-El is stepping out of a crashed space ship from Krypton? What is Star Wars without knowing that the crashed escape pod, from which R2D2 and C3P0 emerge onto Tatooine is there because of an Empirical attack? What is Raiders of the Lost Ark without seeing that Indy taught history in college? All stories have a start. I make these film references because we, now, have the chance to get the story right with as much detail as possible. Any future films made about Billy's early experiences would probably use CGI and I want those CGI ships to look as close to the real objects as possible with an understanding as to who is piloting them and taking an interest in the young Billy.
Billy did make a real effort to relay his childhood experiences before the first official contact reports and so I would like to know what he saw and how these events relate to Sfath and the Plejaren.
The spiritual teachings are VERY important. My interest does not exclude the spiritual teachings. Spiritually, I know I will find the answers I need myself based on the information Billy has given me. What I won't find by myself is an answer to what exactly was going on in those early years from 1942-1945 without asking Billy, or so it seems.
Salome,
Matthew |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 599
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 03:35 pm: |
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> We have received permission from Billy to produce ebook versions of the Contact Reports, etc., and have just put some on theyfly.com and at Scubbly.com. Eventually we will have all of the uncorrected and/or still untranslated texts available in this form. Hopefully this will also provide FIGU with more monetary resources for their invaluable work. |
Matthew
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 03:17 am: |
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Hi Michael,
Thanks for sharing this brilliant news and congratulations on your recent trip to Hong Kong.
Although its not pleasant to think about; Billy will not be here forever to answer our questions and so I believe our questions to him should focus more on the details of his life and the information he has provided rather than on our own personal issues which WILL be answered through self-reflection, time and the various incarnations we have or by many other intelligent and wise human beings who are and will live on this planet. What we won't have is the ability to ask Billy questions about his life once he is no longer around. Perhaps if people thought more on that they would more carefully construct their questions to him.
Consolidating the CRs makes absolute sense in that we will be able to identify any gaps in the information for which we need to ask questions before we no longer have that chance.
Salome,
Matthew |
Jedaiah
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 04:58 am: |
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Ah Michael, that's excellent news. It's about time to be honest, that ebook versions started being produced. I hope it extends into all his work eventually. |
Melissa
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 06:04 am: |
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Hi Matthew,
Great post, and I too have thought of missing Billy after he is gone. I balance it out by flipping it around in different ways, the first of which was to remember that I also will be gone one day. My personality as Melissa, will cease to exist. Same with everyone else.
My perspective immediately changed to thoughts/feelings of importance for each day we are here.
Which correlates to asking Billy questions and the importance of making them count.
Thanks again!
Melissa
-Melissa
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Matthew
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2012 - 07:09 am: |
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Hi Melissa, I had a brief image there of everyone in the world being called Melissa and ceasing to exist at exactly the same time. I'm silly I know.
I decided to post my question to Billy as I had the opportunity. Finally managed to clarify what I actually wanted to ask after my essays above and with your kind help. I'm a bit of a blood hound in that I'll sniff around something that interests me until I get an answer and if I don't then I go to the source - in this case Billy in other cases impulses from my spirit, which even after dying will be there. Now to build that time capsule and stick all of Billy's stuff in there... |
Edward
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Post Number: 2593
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2012 - 02:11 am: |
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Hi Jedaiah...
Very perceptive thinking!
Of course, those in the past are not those of today. But, the Consequences -
Cause and Effect, their forefathers have on today, and our Future...to be,
did not have to manifest, as it is. So, I can think that the Plejarans can
feel a bit 'guilty' to some of what has manifested throughout the centuries.
Just, goes to show that the Plejarans have FEELINGS...also, no? Very Positive
quality, in them, no?
For, the same thing, they could have just left us on our own. But, they are
TRUE beings with/of LOVE. Them being many many Millions of Millions of years
Creational Spiritual, than us....Earthlings. Thus, they KNOW....WHAT.....TRUE
LOVE is!! We are FAR....from that!!
Makes me think, of what the Plejarans once said: We monitor the Earth humans,
their prayers, and they pray - protect our loved ones and kill the/our
enemies, etc. - ; so, you see....WE are far from what TRUE LOVE IS...and, is
about!!
At the beginning, the Plejarans seemed so HARD to Billy and us Earth humans,
as I once read, they seem to really have much 'callous' on their souls, as
the saying does, which would project, that they did become HARDENED...in
Spirit and Mind, due, to what has occurred here on Earth, and related to
their work. It took them a while before the let their emotions surface... and
project more understanding to Billy as well as us humans of Earth. Thus, they
are no more emotionless....as they first were. But, I can understand their
position, though: would make ANYONE HARD!! But, their (TRUE) LOVE rules over
their HARDENED Callousness...properties.
"Live and 'assist' to live", as the Plajarans say.....[Something, surely to
implement...]
Edward. |
Sauroman11
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 10:33 pm: |
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Why plejaren look so similar in appearance to humans? |
Schantz
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 12:23 pm: |
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Because they are human. |
Flaming_pie
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 06:29 pm: |
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Sauroman11,
Are you disappointed that the Ps don't look like greys or reptilians or something really alien? I must admit that when I first started learning about Billy Meier I was a little confused that the aliens looked human, until I found about Semjase and Asket.
Most of the stuff you learn about in mainstream ufology, like the greys and reptilians, is disinformation meant to keep aliens alien so that the public thinks they are scary. They do not want the public to learn that some of the aliens with a mission on Earth are hot looking space babes.
Now, personally, I think that some of the tales of grey aliens and things are the product of terrestrial black projects and operations, where advanced genetic engineering was used to create creatures that look like aliens to fool the subjects. That is why all the best insiders, like Bob Lazar, swear up and down that the craft at Area 51 are from the Greys. They want the public to fooled; that is why Lazar is allowed to tell SOME truth, to keep you interested, and then throws you for a real curve with his alien nonsense. Mission accomplished and Dr Evil has convinced the public that his flying saucers are alien and flown by the Greys. Boo
Anthony Alagna
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Sauroman11
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 12-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 02:44 am: |
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I wont deny that grey and reptilian aliens do exist. But I do agree that they gained such popularity with help of government to scare people, when people are afraid they are easy to manipulate and blocked from learning truth.
But I want to know reasons why they look like humans. Are humans somehow related to plejarens/pleiadians? |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 163
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 10:01 am: |
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Sauroman11
Schantz has pointed you on the right track because despite vastness of space human forms of life evolve in the same way - as it is explained by Biily. So if the conditions are right, one of the natural stadiums in the life of a planet is to "produce"/support evolution of human form. Plejarens look almost exactly like us because the conditions that "gave birth" to them were identical to those that made us. You can search for planet Erra to find out more about their actual homeland. Certain differences in planetary conditions may affect the appearance but, by determination, the spirit that animates "different looking" forms of life allows to classify them as humans.
Salome |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 622
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 10:35 am: |
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> Amen, Awomen. |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 812
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 04:11 pm: |
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Sauroman , it's because we are also humans . I would add more , but for the time being , I'm enjoying your questions . |
Flaming_pie
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 11-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 05:20 pm: |
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Hi again Sauroman11,
Do you like dinosaurs? Anyway you said, "Are humans somehow related to plejarens/pleiadians?"
My friend, this is where I get off your bus. This is an easy answer to find at any of the Billy Meier websites. I would suggest starting with Future of Mankind. And use the search engine.
Part of making a successful argument that is helpful to the people, is at least being informed of the subject matter that you are discussing. So go find this answer and bring it back here.
Cheers,
Anthony Alagna
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 498
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 07:33 am: |
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Hi Sauroman, by 2001 the US was able to clone over 600 different types of animals. This information was given to me by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency when I was trying to determine if we had cloned animals in our food chain. What do you think is the next logical step in science? I call it mix and match, just add humans. What are the chances the so-called greys are these?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Blake_p
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 10:12 am: |
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I will just say that the issue of greys and reptilians has been addressed many times here; they do not exist! At least the way that most people know them and have been regurgitated through popular culture and hysteria mongering clowns interested in making a profit. Now i will say maybe in the expanses of space,realistically speaking, there may be some entities who resemble them or actually look like these guys,simply because statistically speaking throughout the universe there are all kinds of diverse life. Billy has said that these conjured up images of reptiles and little grey people are usually disinformation of a military nature or of course perpetuated by the always helpful UFO community. Billy also talks about that there are many types of humanoids, in which, the have amphibious or reptile like skin, feather like attributes,and so forth,but non the less these are from the human being lineage,just different in their physical appearance. If you want to see the different kinds then go to FIGU-Canada website where they have the list of different types of humanoids there, there are many. Again there are no reptiles or greys visiting our planet, period! |
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