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    Corey Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 12-2009 |
Ramirez: Not to confuse you further but there needs to be a correction of my previous post: page 15 of the new TJ states that there were 2 Semjasas, whom were cousins: 1) Semjasa- procreator of Adam and a former personality of Jmmanuel 2) Semjasa- ringleader and former personality of Gabriel later Quetzal to give you some form of a timeline, the ringleader Semjasa was involved with life destruction from a nuclear war that transpired on Earth roughly 387,786 years ago (source OM canon 31:522) which I calculated using OM canon 31:43. The Semjasa that was Adam's father, procreated Adam in roughly 11,008 BC (using Om canon 31:560 & 31:43), or as stated in the new TJ page 13 and Kapitel 1:85, roughly 13,500 years ago. The procreation of Adam (white race) as well as the red and dark races which resulted from Old Lyrian extraterrestrials and earthly wives are where their modern day homo sapiens counterparts are descended from. There were two Semjasa's living at two different times, and the procreation of Adam was not 389,000 years ago like I previously thought and posted. 389,000 was when the Sons and Daughters of Heaven (Old Lyrian leaders) landed on Earth and created destruction on Earth. Since Billy said he has been here for 389,000 years in the answers section, his spirit form must have arrived in one of the first Old Lyrian immagrations. Wendell Stevens voiced the same opinion in Michael Horn's Meier case update 2006 DVD. the first prophet Henoch I the initiate was still born in roughly 9308 BC, which shouldn't be mistaken for the prophet Henok, who was born the exact same year, who was a different spirit form then Billy (originated in the Lasan system-OM canon 31:43) which seems a little odd to me so I plan to ask Billy if they were two different people in the future. As for my mistake all I can say is I am still learning. Hope this helps the confusing issue. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 07-2006 |
Ramirez, This is my understanding: -Nokodemion (multiple physical incarnations as Nokodemion) 12 - 8 Billion years ago Semjasa (2 incarnations as Semjasa) 389,000 years ago Henoch (Enoch) (3 incarnations as Henoch) 1- 13,500 years ago 2- 11,000 years ago 3- 3000 years ago and so on...with Henoch(Enoch) being the first of the seven prophets on Earth See drawing at http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/File:Lineage_Genealogy.pdf Salome PatM | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 764 Registered: 06-2008 |
I think you guys missed the point. Quote: "Verse 102. And the son of man shall be in torment for a long time, and he shall be reborn in many lives as prophet; and he shall begin his mission on Earth as Enoch and return another time as Elijah, then as Isaiah, whom he shall follow as Jeremiah and Jmmanuel and then as Mohammed." **** and he shall begin his mission on Earth as Enoch **** This indicated Nokodemian's spiritform enlivening Enoch (Henock) was the first time he visited then re-incarnated on Earth ..... does that sound reasonable and what the passage states - implies ? We are not talking about Semjasa but Nokodemian also known as Enoch the first of seven prophets. Then you might wish to examine this from a question and answer: Link: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/12258.html?1340597237 Joe Billy, if I may ask, how old approximately is your spirit and for how many years has your spirit been reincarnating here on Earth? About 9,600,000,000 years old, and since 389,000 years on Earth. I am seeking clarification of the above quoted figure of 9,600,000,000 is the correct age of Billy's Spirit Form-Scott There is a discrepancy because the answer states that Billy has been re-incarnating on Earth 389,000 years ..... read it .... what does it say ? If the Nokodemian spiritform enlivened Enoch .... he lived around 13,500 years ago which was in the time of Atlantis not 389,000 years ago which it clearly states in the Q&A.}} Cheers. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 299 Registered: 12-2009 |
Patm, page 52 of the Nokodemion book has Henoch I as 13,500 years ago, and Henoch II born 3.2.9308 which is the older list Billy used in several sources; but the new and corrected version of the TJ page 13 has Henoch born 3.2.9308 (no Henoch II listed), since it is new and corrected that is why I used that one. The 3.2.9308 birth of Henoch makes sense when you consider OM canon 31:560 indicates 1,700 years before *Henok's first incarnation on Earth the procreation of Adam was, and Henok's first incarnation on Earth according to OM canon 31:43 was 9308 years before Jmmanuel birth or 11,245 years before Billy was born (1937) which almost matches up (1700 + 9308 + 2012 = 13,020 years) with Billy's explanation of new TJ page 13 and Kapitel 1:85 that the procreation of Adam was 13,500 years ago. I thought that the procreation of Adam was 389,000 years ago, so when I read the new TJ page 13 I was confused so I reread OM and it's all there which matches up with new TJ page 15 that there were two Semjasa's one of them earlier which matches up with the time reckoning of Semjasa the ringleader in OM canon 31:552 and the difference in time reckoning of the Semjasa (Adam's father) mentioned in OM canon 31:560. Ramirez: I left 2012 years of my nuclear war calculation ( I just backdated it to Jmmanuels Bday on accident), it should be 389,798 years ago (based on OM canon 31:552 and 31:43). *Henok the former prophet mentioned in OM who is not a former personality of Billy's. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 767 Registered: 06-2008 |
Still missing the essential point: Link: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/12258.html?1340597237 Joe Billy, if I may ask, how old approximately is your spirit and for how many years has your spirit been reincarnating here on Earth? About 9,600,000,000 years old, and since 389,000 years on Earth. What would Nokodemion be doing re-incarnating on earth 389,000 years ago ? Was there any sort of sophisticated native earth born civilization active ? Maybe there were isolated ET societies here and there but the natives ??? neanderthals. So ask yourself what's the point and purpose re-incarnating among those ? In order to get here he would need to have been transported somehow and for sure there were ET with space travel capabilities but previous to coming here around 13,500 years ago wasn't he living among the Plejaran ? So someone back then got word or he convinced whoever had a capapability to bring him here he had a mission to accomplish, transported him probably to Atlantis where he died then started re-incarnating. Isn't it far easier to support and spread a story without inconsistencies or contradictions ? After he's gone there wont be any more opportunities to get it all straight including the timeline. It gotta match otherwise detractors will have everlasting fuel and material with which to discredit the mission overall. Cheers. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 12-2009 |
Ramirez, I don't think the Nokodemion spirit-form only got here 13,500 years ago, I would guess it was 389,000 years ago like he said in his answer which puts his arrival during the Old Lyrian immigrations and he's been incarnating here on Earth ever since. Since the Old Lyrians are Plejaren forefathers, you could say "yes" he was living among Plejaren forefathers until he landed on Earth 389,000 years ago. I don't know if there were any sophisticated native earth born civilization here on Earth at that time, one possibility could be there was still civilization left on Earth, Mars, and Malona from the Sirius immigrations, if I'm not mistaken the destruction of Malona and the loss of Mars atmosphere were two seperate events that occured AFTER the 389,000 years ago Old Lyrian immigrations, which could mean there were still sophisticated civilization left from the Sirius immagrations before the Old Lyrians got here. There couldn't have been much civilization left on Earth AFTER the nuclear war here 389,000 years ago, so I don't know what to tell you. I don't really know when Atlantis started or ended, or how that whole thing ties in, so I'm no help to you there either, but that war must have set back the Earth's populace too. I agree some sort of a timeline clarification is needed, because after Billy's death we will lose our source to answer all of the questions. You could always ask Billy for the clarification you seek, I have a over one years worth of questions ready to go for the same reason , I'm trying to get 'em all in before something happens to Billy. If I have questions now in 2012 after reading Billy's books, I'm sure people in the future will have questions in 2146, or 2689 or whatever. I can see our questions and answers section being studied by future generations. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 304 Registered: 12-2009 |
food for thought: Dear Billy I refer to Contact 60 where Semjase mentioned that Atlantis was destroyed in 9398 BCE, and this time frame was again confirmed by BEAM during a Q&A session. Wendelle Stevens relayed in his book that Atlantis was established by IHWH Atlant some 33,000 years ago and it all went well for 18,000 years before it was destroyed. I consider that the above 33,000 years ago figure matched reasonably with the above 9398 BCE confirmed destruction date. (33000 – 1977 – 18000 ~= 13023) However, in Contact 70, it was mentioned that Atlantis was established by IHWH Atlant some 133,000 years ago, an additional one hundred thousand years was inserted. It seems that Atlantis and Mu could not have been peaceful and prosperous for such a long time such as over 120,000 years. My question is: Could you confirm the approximate establishment date of Atlantis? Or if there is any mistake in the figures within Contact 70? Salome Savio There have been 4 different "versions" of Atlantis, not all of them existing at the same time: The region of the so-called Troy, Santorin, Atlantic, and North Africa. OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Ferbon Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 05-2012 |
Corey, Ramirez I agree that having nicely organized chronology would be of tremendous help for anyone out there seeking the truth. All we have now is genealogy tree which puts things in perspective but without historical background. "(...)So someone back then got word or he convinced whoever had a capability to bring him here he had a mission to accomplish, transported him probably to Atlantis where he died then started re-incarnating. Isn't it far easier to support and spread a story without inconsistencies or contradictions ? (...)" No. How much time do you think it would take to give you all how's and why's from the last 387 thousand years and dozens of civilizations? Simple reference chronology is more that anyone could hope for. Also, I don't think it is wise to bother Billy about that or wish him long life just to get your answers, because everything has already been written. Indeed in details and by all seven prophets. They've explained to you what happened in the past and what will unfold in the future. As much I understand this chronology being done, I don't quite get what is this brag about? Read the notes, get your pen and paper. Write it down. Post it. Salome | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2546 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... I think back 389,000 years, there was enough for the Nokodemion spirit-form to conduct. Not to forget, Earth being a Prison Planet, and what not, etc., I think there was ENOUGH to do! Start, directing those Earth inhabitants in the proper direction of Evolution, etc. And, not to forget, all those ETs whom have come-and-gone; and, caused all sorts of scenarios: WAR, genetically manipulating anything or what they pleased, etc. Thus, enough possibilities for whatever Ischfsch, to conduct his SLAVE scenarios, to those Earth beings, back than. Not to forget, that THEN, it was already possible for Nuclear Wars to break out, and the inhabitants fighting against each other; and ETs. Not much, difference than today!! Thus, as you can notice: there was enough to do for the Nokodemion spirit- form!! Similar, to what Billy is doing now but than, regarding the Spirit(ual) Teaching(s). Thus, the Nokodemion spirit-form brought quite an Awareness...to mankind, I would say. Edward. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 315 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Christian/Billy, I am looking to construct a larger pyramid (hopefully to meditate in) with recommendable angles and ratios for the best possible meditation enhancement. I am aware of the inherent risks involved. Would scaling up the mini travel pyramid size/shape to a larger pyramid size be advisable, or would it require completely different ratios altogether? Would you please share this information here or in private if the travel pyramid does not contain the same ratios/angles? Thanks, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2329 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Tim, Billy does not read the English Forum, secondly Christian only reads it occasionally. You mentioned you are aware of the inherent risks involved. What are those risks as you understand them? Also, if you want to post a question to Billy you have to wait until the Questions to Billy Section opens up again at the end of this month. Regards Scott | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 316 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Scott, I posted in the wrong section, I haven't been on here in ages. Had I posted in the right section it would have been directed to Billy because well it's questions to Billy even though Christian usually answers them. (You can delete that last post if you wish) Maybe you could just tell me here or in private if you know. The inherent risks are as follows: It's dangerous due to the energies building up if one doesn't master complete concentration. Many have told me and I have read over the course of 8 years it can shorten your lifespan and I'm sure if you went inside of one without concentrating at all or incorrectly for extended periods of times you would damage your psyche irreversibly possibly so severe as to prompt a life threatening/altering (brain chemistry) condition. I've built one before but this time I want to do it right. Any information I would highly appreciate. Thanks, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Lead2008 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2012 |
Okay here is a website , and there is a claim about WW3. Which is not proved and very unclear. http://www.billymeierufocase.com/wwiiideconstruction.html I think wrong calculations are done there are they prove themselves wrong. What dp you say | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 317 Registered: 12-2004 |
Scott did you read the question in my last two posts? I think you can answer it. Contact me privately to let me know if you get some free time. Thanks, tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2334 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Tim, Is there something you want to know which can be discussed openly? I don't know have a lot of information regarding the construction of the Meditation Pyramid, and I think some of this information has been kept private for various reasons. The pyramid does provide shielding from external forces, much like a Faraday shield, but as has been mentioned before there are inherent dangers when using it, unless you have been properly trained..if there is more, you can reach me via the e-mail address provided in the help section. Regards Scott | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 318 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Scott, I appreciate your response. I am trying to gather as much information on the dimensions, angles and ratios of it before I undertake the actual construction. I won't post any more in this section due to it being appropriate for the pyramid section, but I was thinking I'll just get the info straight from the source, if that's possible. I'll see. I will most likely build or purchase the largest one figu sells and get a Rayguard Hertz/scalar wave absorber. I think this should help a bunch in shielding electric smog. I just needed to know if the one a few core members meditate in has the same angles as the travel pyramid, if so I can build it. I will probably either ask Christian or a core group member one way or another. Thanks again Scott, Salome, Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2567 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Lead2008.... Welcome to the FIGU Board! Well, it is all based on Possibilities....and NOT Probabilities! We do, have to make clear Distinction between the two. That is why, it is a Prophecy: a Possibility...and NOT a Prediction: Probability(: Creational Cosmic Event...mostly, Programmed to happen/occur; NO averting). Thus: Prophecies can CHANGE, and create/generate another Possibility... Possible! NO WARS, World WARS, in this case...are a Prediction....but....a Prophecy(= Changeable/Alterable....); and thus, new scenarios/calculations arise through this concourse of circumstances or concourse of events; what ever you please. Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 658 Registered: 05-2008 |
I recently asked Billy a question about Obama's reelection & what that means for the world and also how Billy reconciles his own disdain for unlimited debt-making with Obama piling on the largest debt in US history in only 4 short years. "https://www.creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Articles/European%20Rescue%20Fund%20ESM%20-%20sec.pdf And after reading Ron Paul's "How to End the Tragedy in Gaza", I wonder how is it that Billy can reconcile Obama's hypocrisy related to US actions of Gewalt all over the world with FIGU's own recommendations for the USA withdrawing its forces from all over the world back to it's own country. Just as Billy & the Plejaren are critical of the Dalai Lama's hypocrisy, speaking peace on the one hand and behind closed doors inciting his followers to rebel against China, using any means available, violent or otherwise. And I wonder why Billy does not mention Ron Paul as a voice of reason, intellect and rationality. Maybe he doesn't know of him but he should be aware that Billy's own recommendations for the US military in relation to the world, align very closely with Ron Pauls. http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2030:how-to-end-the-tragedy-in-gaza&catid=64:2012-texas-straight-talk&Itemid=69 "Last week, as the fighting raged, President Obama raced to express US support for the Israeli side, in a statement that perfectly exemplifies the tragic-comedy of US foreign policy. The US supported the Israeli side because, he said, "No country on Earth would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders.” Considering that this president rains down missiles on Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and numerous other countries on a daily basis, the statement was so hypocritical that it didn’t pass the laugh test. But it wasn’t funny." "US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton traveled to Tel Aviv to meet with Israeli prime minister Netanyahu, but she refused to meet with elected Palestinian leaders. Clintonsaid upon arrival in Israel, “America's commitment to Israel’s security is rock-solid and unwavering.” Does this sound like an honest broker?" "Continuing to rain down missiles on so many increasingly resentful nations, the US is undermining rather than furthering its security. We are on a collision course with much of the rest of the world if we do not right our foreign policy. Ending interventionism in the Middle East and replacing it with friendship and even-handedness would be a welcome first step. Bruce | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2595 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Bruce...(MAN....I like that name...  ..; had a buddy by that name when I was a kid...) Well, very good points you mention there. I agree with you! I guess, Obama....and Clinton are just fulfilling their protocols. As they say: "the SHOW....must go on!!" But, fortunately, Palestine is now Acknowledged by the UN! All these decades, the UN were against it; but now, a majority overruled (countries) and the state of Palestine has the right to exist. 'Sour grape' for Israel, of course, but, Israel has to also...Acknowledge the state of Palestine as legitimate!! Whether, they like it or not!! Long Live....Palestine!! The - Birth Place - of Jmmanuel!! A TRUE Palestinian-Plejaran(father=Gabriel, now Quetzal!) Teacher of the Spirit(ual) Teaching(s).... Edward. | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 04-2011 |
Happy Birthday Beam Thank You for being You I have your teachings inside me for eternity No words can explain how grateful i am but my actions will Salome Peter ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 720 Registered: 07-2000 |
I wish Billy a peaceful and memorable birthday, and many many happy returns. A visit from the Plejaren perhaps?  Salome Savio | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 04-2011 |
Happy Birthday Beam Salome Peter ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 168 Registered: 04-2011 |
G'day Earthling I dont like telling you this but Ron Paul is not what he says, here is some facts about his connections http://www.911truth.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3155 dont forget even the leaders of the black panther movement where/are gov agents Much of the Obama debt is stuff Bush jnr kept of the books, put on credit card you could say, left Obama a real mess Obama is surrounded by the industrial military complex, he is only one man surrounded by lunatics and traitors, he can only do so much Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. |
