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    Earthling Member Post Number: 736 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Robyn, how about setting up a new category on this forum titled "Planning a center in the USA" or something like that? I don't see why it should be relegated to the nether regions of a passive member section. It should be out in the open for all to participate in. Salome, Bruce | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 552 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Bruce, We the moderators agree that we won't open a section for that. This is something that needs to be discussed between passive members, in coordination with FIGU Core Group. The forum is a public discussion board and such a discussion doesn't really fit in. If you are in the US and are part of the community there then I am sure a face to face discussion about this needs to take place. Rather than on the forum. Peace | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 08-2012 |
Hi friends, it is my understanding, and this is accurate information from Figu, that only Passive Members can form a Landesgruppe, so it does make sense to take the discussion in the Passive member section. Robyn has clarified my question to her to me, so now I understand better. I am requesting all Passive Members in the United States, to please pick up the thread of this discussion in the Passive Member section. I too will join you there as soon as it is possible. Please come forward for this discussion with your ideas, thoughts, issues, etc. Until I can join you there, kindly someone please share with me how many of us are here in the States and apart from the Passive member section, if there is another platform we can gather together to discuss this further so I too am able to participate? I look forward to this very much. Have a great weekend everyone. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 737 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Badr, Sure, face to face would need to take place at some point, however this is in the very early formative idea stage, and getting the ball rolling idea-wise could be facilitated through this forum. Considering the US is 3000 miles across, this venue seems a helpful & logical starting point. Salome, Bruce | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 151 Registered: 07-2012 |
Yea,i'm sorry,that's complete non-sense. Yes passive members have to be the ones to set up a group and then a center,but because this is a public forum doesn't mean that the ideas,suggestions,inquiries,or any other inclusion,passive member or not,aren't valuable. Either way, it's going to take a lot more than just a couple of passive members to make this happen,besides others are allowed to be a part of,just not core group members,who bear certain responsibilities. I am greatly appreciative to those who responded here and to Piyali and Magic Pie who sent me emails regarding more info. I was going to post the info that i sent to them,including properties i've seen,how much,kind of structures,most cost effective ways,etc,etc, so others can see it but i don't want to waste time getting my post rejected. We can just go back to exchanging youtube videos,and talking about shadows on pictures or whatever,since we're not allowed to use the forum for talking about something incredibly important. I would be happy to send that info via email to anyone who is interested,cbp0009@gmail.com | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 902 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Piyali, You might find yourselves somewhat isolated in addition to being without the benefit of information from outsiders with good intentions .... the price of censorship. Personally i think it's about the most foolish thing imaginable to have this discussion behind closed doors and ..... there is no USA Landesgruppe nor is there likely to be one unless those actually interested in forming one can get together without others dictating what can and cant be done. With secrecy ..... how many new or potential passive members will that serve to attract ? It becomes hardly different to any other organization with things to hide when that which needs airing is kept behind closed doors and controlled by a few ..... as happened with previous attempts to get a USA group functional and operating within democratic guidelines. As previously stated ..... get a small private website set up containing a forum software of which i would recommend SMF .... Simple Machines Forum found here which is free: http://www.simplemachines.org/ Cheers. | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 337 Registered: 07-2009 |
What if there are people who are not passive members and who may wish to contribute some money to help those in the U.S. to purchase some land there? Imo taking this discussion behind closed doors is not in the best interests of helping to form a Figu center in the U.S. By keeping the discussion here it could attract more people who aren't passive members to help with the formation of a center in the U.S. That's my opinion. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 543 Registered: 08-2010 |
Indeed it is correct that it requires a set number of "passive members" to "form" a landesgruppe. Having a thread in this forum exclusively for passive members is fine. It is absolutely NO requirement nor stipulation that only passive members can discuss and contribute towards the formation or establishment of a landesgruppe. This is unreasonable and illogical. So following some thought impulses, I found the following and present it for consideration. Billy Not only do I fulfill my duty, but also all group members who stand beside me as loyal ones, with great dedication, and who give me the strength to do my work. Without them, I never could have accomplished what has been done by me, in addition to all of the many achievements that were made by all members. With regard to the realization of the mission and its ability to continue, the passive members and the friends, who have contributed to the success of the whole thing with their financial contributions and skilled-labor, are also included, of course. Therefore, even their employments should not be forgotten. I owe all of them great thanks because without them, the mission wouldn’t have become what it is today. Ptaah To each individual core group member, I also express my deep gratitude, as well as to each individual passive member and to all friends and other helpers. Salome, Eddie http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_448 | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 553 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi guys, I have been away for a while from being a forum moderator. It surprises me how everyone likes to pull out the censorship card throught the forum. We moderators have discussed the issue currently discussed here with a core group member. We are not just taking actions without any secondary opinion from FIGU. It has been made clear that for a US group to start thinking of building a centre a group has to be formed first. As other members have pointed out the interrelationships need to be established and strong for a centre to succeed. We are not out to censor the forum in illogic ways as some claim. The issue is really simple. There needs to be a community of passive members that have worked together and shown to each other that they can be trusted and have a mutual goal, which in my opinion would take years. Then those people should discuss this issue between each other, and if they want to be part of FIGU then do it under the guidance of FIGU centre in Switzerland. The forum is not really a place to strengthen interrelationships, as can been on the Law of Love section. Not really much LOVE flowing there. Salome | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome Friends. Wonderful discussion here. It makes me really happy to be a part of this discussion. Dear Ramirez, could you please set up the website with the forum that you speak of? It's a very good idea. If you think you can set it up for us, please let us know, so that when it is set up we can join in there. Having read the entire thread, I agree with all of your points from all sides. I am happy that we have the Passive member section for us Passive members to come together and discuss things. However, this section also consists of other Passive Members from around the globe...this is my understanding. Dear Moderators, do I understand this correctly? This means that they will all see what is going on among the Passive Members of the United States? Is this okay with you? I personally do not have a problem with anyone witnessing and contributing, and would welcome any guidance from those who have already formed a Landesgruppe, etc. I had asked a question, that I am yet to receive an answer to, and that is: how many Passive Members are present in the United States of the 315 or so around around the globe? Secondly, how many Passive Members from the United States, can seriously contribute to this discussion and see through it's eventual culmination? By contribution, I do not mean just in financial terms, but equally important in terms of ideas, suggestions, discussions? It is all voluntary, each according to our capabilities, abilities, skills, all realistically speaking according to our life situation, etc. Could you all please come forward and let us know what you think about coming together to form a Landesgruppe with a Center? Thirdly, and not the least, it would be truly great to know and include, how many serious students of the Spiritual Teaching, who are not Passive members yet, would like to join us for this discussion and it's eventual culmination into reality? Once we know who we are and how willing we are to make this happen for ourselves in the United States, we can begin our journey to come together as a strong positive inspired force for our Figu Landesgruppe USA with a Center. It is not important to think about how many years it might take, it is more important to take this first most important step and then go with it with sincere effort. Let's meet the challenge and make it happen. I will speak about this with my friends in our study group in California too. In our group, we have four Passive Members including myself. Blake, Amy and Michael are three more friends I know, who are passive members. I know a few others. Altogether, I know of at least 12 members who reside in the United States, out of which, for now, four of us are seriously committed and all four of us have met each other at our Mother Center in Switzerland this May, and we are, Michael, Amy, Blake and myself. I will not the name the others I know about, because I do not have their permission and do not know whether they would like to join us yet, etc. If they come forward, it would be wonderful. After we have laid out a plan and begin sincerely working on it, we must present it to FIGU for their guidance, suggestion and advice ourselves as a group. The above are my thoughts. Please share further what you think without specifics here, as we do not have the permission to share specifics here. Please let us not get upset about anything with anyone, for everyone has valid points. Let us look at the rich resources and inspiration emerging from this discussion already and take that forward. Let us make a list of what we can or cannot discuss in this forum, respect that, and accordingly simply move forward without breaking the momentum. Look at what we have already, and move forward with it. We have a private website and the Passive Member Section as platforms to begin the serious discussions, explore at depth our ideas, thoughts, etc. for now. And this is a good beginning. Thank you. I look forward to your responses. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 453 Registered: 12-2009 |
Badr, Sometimes correcting somebody is an act of love, especially if they evolve from learning from their mistakes, which sometimes cannot be seen as a mistake until pointed out by their Mitmenschen. Salome Corey OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Celesco Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2013 |
I have a suggestion that may help to improve the health of those who are undertaking the mission, which in turn may indirectly help the Mission itself. First, I will preface my suggestion by saying that there is substantial evidence that our physical bodies have sustained ill effects due to rampant overpopulation. My own observation is that, collectively, our skeletons, posture, nutrition, mental clarity, agility, coordination, strength, pain threshold, and communication skill have all been negatively effected by the lack of sufficient nutrition in our foodstuffs. There may, of course, be other areas of life that are affected as well, and likewise, the negative impact on the areas of life which I have mentioned may not simply be attributed to poor nutrition - yet the observation remains that our bodies are not functioning ideally at this point in history due to a number of causes. With the degeneration of our skeletal-bodies, it is logical to presume that some manner of compression has formed on the mental organ (namely, the brain), thereby inhibiting its function. In addition, general efficiency of the central nervous system, which creates a lot of physical suffering nowadays, has been gradually compromised over time. Decades ago, however, doctors discovered the possibility to optimize the shape of the skull by applying very light forces to the sphenoid bone, which rests at the juncture of all other skull plates. This simple procedure is now readily accessible to everyone with an Internet connection, in addition to being very cheap and simple to perform at home. I have yielded some meager results from the procedure, called endonasal balloon therapy (also patented as NeuroCranial Restructuring), and although the improvements to my mental clarity and overall body-function are subtle and largely subconscious, I am finding my body and senses better equipped to live, and learn, in a material/coarse-matter world, which seems to lend itself naturally to a deeper understanding of the spirit lessons since my entire body becomes involved in the process rather than just my mind, as it is on a computer. In the past, I found myself audibly/visually deafened and dumb due to the attention-grabbing nature of my suffering body. The fact that my body stole my attention at nearly all times meant that the majority of outside stimuli (sight, hearing, and perceiving) was drowned out, thereby forcing me into a very small mental cage. Others (my family in particular) have perpetually perceived me as creepy, off-putting, Narcissistic, and mentally retarded due to this form of suffering, which they did not trust existed and still do not do despite my honesty on the matter. Now, after my prolonged exposure to physical pain, I am slowly letting my consciousness relax into a body that is not in so much suffering anymore, as well as engaging real life with other humans by choice rather than by force. It is my estimation that the affliction I have described is congruent with the experience of a person whom fits on the Autism spectrum (autism simply meaning "obsession and absorption within the self"), but I cannot say this to be accurately the case - and it is another topic that is not relevant to the talk. Nonetheless, it is claimed that endonasal balloon therapy can resolve a number of physical ailments - something which I am beginning to discern is accurate, as my scoliosis is also winding out now, making my spine straight. I cannot say that a healthier body has increased my appreciation for the Creation (in fact, in some circumstances I forget about the Creation now because my mental cage isn't so small anymore), but I wonder if there is perhaps a balance that can be ideally reached, wherein the mental cage is not so large that we forget about its existence - and yet not so small that the only thing we can take solace in is the mental knowledge of the Creation. Truly, at times I have removed myself from my present reality by daydreaming about the Creation (or something pornographic, which also worked as an effective pain-killer for me in the past), and while it may be beneficial that I have replaced the notion of 'God' with that of 'the Creation, I estimate that, if daydreamed about in such a manner, there exists little potential for improvement in the false-religious teaching at the base of the act of fantasizing rather than living. Salome, Tyler | ||
Celesco Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2013 |
Here is a progress report of my self-experimentation process with endonasal balloon therapy: http://breakthematrix.createaforum.com/therapies/tyler%27s-self-ncr-diary/msg313/#msg313 It may exemplify the changes I have experienced more effectively by additionally presenting a visual aid. Lastly, I would not like to take questions about the procedure here as it is not my wish to clutter up the forum - however I wanted to bring what has been a very progressive, and positive, process in my experience to your attention, as I understand that FIGU is also interested in fringe scientific matters in addition to the Spiritual Teachings. | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 08-2012 |
Dear Tyler, thank you for the very well written and informative post. I will certainly check into this therapy. Please know, I have been quietly enjoying your posts, which I find very refreshing and straightforward. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 749 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Tyler If it helps you then that's really good From my personal experience in living in a very congested city with so much air, water, food, soil, auditory, visual, electromagnetic, thought vibrational and fluidal pollution everything about me is becoming either hardened but at the same time physiologically and psychological weakened. For me going to shopping centres and large crowded areas with many people about is the most unpleasant and it's difficult to concentrate and focus. This disgusting feeling in quite overwhelming although I manage by exercising control over my thoughts, feelings and response I nonetheless feel these impulses much like a force field that weighs heavily on my chest. So although your suggestions to improve one's health maybe sound there are many other causes that conspire against human beings in the modern era achieving good health. Billy even states that due to the overpopulation and destruction of our planet people are getting more violent, stressed out and mentally disturbed. | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 842 Registered: 10-2008 |
Thanks Tyler , and best of luck with the procedure and anything else you try . Pain management is an important science . Salome , Mark | ||
Celesco Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2013 |
Thank you for expressing your words of recognition to me, Piyali and Mark. My experience in daily life has been very much like your own, Newinitiation, particularly in regards to becoming increasingly desensitized toward the fluidal forces of life (namely, becoming desensitized to empathy), meanwhile becoming increasingly physiologically and psychologically weakened. My logic does not tell me that endonasal balloon therapy will act as a pancreas for all forms of suffering, but I am becoming increasingly aware of the interconnected nature about the whole matter of health and existence in general; therefore, it seems that when one aspect of health/quality of life is improved even marginally, there can be detected a proportional improvement in regards to another aspect of life. In this way, as my ability to perceive vividness of colour, to learn, to retain new information, to feel easement from pain, as well as my physical appearance and mental clarity have all shifted permanently, and naturally, toward the better, my ability to see beauty, to listen, to think, and to consciously experience the present moment have all increased in a proportionate quantity so that others are able to perceive greater internal peace in my eyes rather than silent suffering. In addition, since the mission of everybody's spirit is to look for beauty among other high values, I am led to wonder if my improved physical appearance has likewise increased the likelihood of others finding a pathway of evolution in their spirit indirectly through me (this hypothesis formed since people open up to me more often now than they did in the past) - granted, if this is the case, I have no doubt that it will also raise a number of interpersonal challenges to be learned from. I am also led to wonder if this potential for increased interpersonal challenges is addressed (albeit with a perhaps limited perspective) by terrestrial humans in the folk-wisdom saying: "With greater power comes greater responsibility" - however since this phrase is repeated on television, I will retain a healthy level of skepticism toward it since, perhaps lacking a broader perspective, it may paint too vague of a picture about the whole matter that is harmful. It is for the reasons listed above that I described consciously forgetting about the Creation from time to time. This now occurs because, while the Creation's 12 Recommendations remain a constant series of thought-forms that I can use to evaluate my thoughts and experiences in order to determine if they are correct or not, I sense that my spirit's ability to complete its mission of recognizing beauty, truth, wisdom, love, peace, and perhaps some other things that I have consciously forgotten can be recognized, utilized, and expedited in a marginally more efficient manner now as a result of my improved physiological and psychological well-being (since it now seems to me that the two are interconnected, as well, so that if physiological health is improved, psychological health is also improved). In other words, I am able to spend less time worshiping the Creation and more time utilizing my knowledge of it, which seems to naturally tip the balance toward the formation of true knowledge as opposed to the formation of lazy beliefs based on true knowledge as well as weak theoretical knowledge. That is all I will say in addendum about this form of therapy. I wished to include a testimonial about the benefits to my fine-matter existence (which, as I understand it, involves perception and utilization of the spirit values) because it also seems relevant to the topic of improving the Mission, and I did not cover the topic in a detailed way earlier. Salome, Tyler | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 357 Registered: 09-2011 |
I dream, and then awaken thinking about it. This happens so often for me, it just feels normal. I lie in bed, recovering from my thoughts as I slowly wake from the grogginess of sleep. How to make the world a better place, and why. Who benefits, what does it mean to do so, how to go about it... at different scales. How to generate the funding, how to pull in the right people, secure the necessary real assets, organize the finances. The quandary of steering clear of conflicts in a world so easily slighted, what can be given, what must be defended, what must be kept hidden for now. And the philosophy behind it all - of beauty, of righteousness, of love, leading to the spiritual understanding of Creationalism. It comes at me at night, or I seek it out, while my ego rests. It's my nightly lover, this would-be future, and her arms feel like home. Our home is what we build, together. Life | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 180 Registered: 05-2011 |
To Passive members, it would be advisable to hold your sessions in confidence just like any board or executive members who represent others do because of the fact that there are certain topics that are too dangerous for the good of others who do not have the necessary experience or knowledge and discipline to handle some of the materials or topics that only advanced students of learning acquire as a foundation in order to be immersed in such events, but even such training is no guarantee only positive results will occur without proper guidance from the Core Group which the Passive members have. Surely group forum members can publicly discuss topics freely which is moderated in order to meet certain protocols just the same as one adheres to creational protocols in their own spiritual evolutionary progression which will eventually reach a particular conjuncture that requires very strict adherences to certain protocols because of the very nature in which material and non-material essences are hard to differentiate unless the Psyche is well conditioned to handle such matters and the very reason why Passive members are required who take guidance from BEAM and the 49 member FIGU Core group. I could give an example of such that it can have either a progressive creational learning experience or one that will have permanent psychological damage to not just that person involved, but others who are connected likewise even though they may be formally trained because the material conscious may interpret things differently and may be dis-harmoniously affected by the Psyche that is not evolved enough to handle such event(s). But I will not do so in a publically opened forum and is equally reluctant in expressing it privately as well; the same should apply to the possible formation of a US based official FIGU group. Some may be able to experiment like I do, but be very careful to follow protocols. | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Michaelhelfert, I think it's good that your dreams are mainly directed towards doing something good and worthwhile for society! It would be good if that's what most people dreamed of! I love dreaming because I usually always have pleasant dreams! I hardly ever have bad dreams or nightmares as they are mainly known. Do you or anyone else know the reason behind why some people mainly have nightmares? Is it an unbalanced or damaged psyche or is it more of a physiological thing or is it both? | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2013 |
The reason I asked is because my girlfriend always suffers from nightmares. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 362 Registered: 09-2011 |
When we have some theme to consistently dream about, it's because we have something on our minds. How we interpret our dreams for ourselves, as good or bad, as nightmare or inspiration, is entirely up to us. Herr Meier has written about dreaming. If you want a more in-depth understanding of the process, the Spirit Teaching would be a good resource. Life | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi again! Sorry to bother you all with my question regarding nightmares but I found the answer in the archives. I should have searched there first!  I found it in Moderator Indi's 632 post. "Billy has mentioned that nightmares among other states of illhealth both psychical and physical can result when ones thoughts and feelings (via the material psyche area), and also the body, work and life are conducted contrary to the balance and harmony of the Gemuet of the spirit. This effectively violates the sevenfold laws and recommendations. He also has mentioned that nightmares can result from sleeping or meditating lying transversely to the magnetic earth currents." http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/12048.html#POST57825 Our bed is lying in the correct position to the Earth's magnetic currents. So it can't be that. Looks like it's got to be psychological or physical related. (I take it Indi meant to say "both psychological or physical" instead of "both psychical and physical") Unfortunately my girlfriend won't look at the Meier material because she is religious. I told her about Billy and she thinks he's a hoax. Being deeply religious I think her nightmares are more likely to be psychological related. |
