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    Vincent Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Votan, I also don't see Russia doing anything good for world peace anytime soon, but according to Billy and the Plejaren, one day under a different government it will. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi Newinitiation They are both playing games, there is no counter-force. joe | ||
Mark92111 Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Everyone. I have been studying all of the material I have in my reach regarding The Spiritual Teachings, contact reports, The Psyche and The Might of Thoughts. I will try to keep this short... Some things have been occupying my thoughts in relation to our Spirit. I understand that when we "die" our Spirit is cleaned of our past life so that we start anew. In my studies I am left with the impression that this cleaning does not erase everything. Also with some videos I have seen there are people that recall past life incidents and evidence is brought forth that would suggest that these incidences may not be fabrications. The stories I'm thinking of some of you may be familiar with; A young boy recalls that he was previously murdered by a person with an axe. He finds the axe and also recalls the murderers name etc.. And the one regarding a young boy who was a fighter pilot. With these thoughts in my head I thought about our mission and The Spirit Teaching and how great it would be that we all could have a clear cognition that could lead us back on the path of The Spirit Teaching in our new life. My hope or idea is that the Plejeran and their excellent record keeping skills could possibly have modified instructions from the High Counsel to send to us stronger impulses as needed throughout our youth to help get us back on track. So, a snowball effect with traction. I would like to know what you guys think and what you think Billy might say to such a proposal. Thank you. Salome | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 594 Registered: 12-2009 |
Mark92111, I once asked Billy a question regarding finding the teaching in future incarnations that is somewhat related to what you are asking about: question:Dear Billy and Christian, I know that Religion has about 800 years left on this planet. I also know that 4/5 of earth humanity suffers from Gotteswahnglaube (Gotteswahn und Gotteswahnkrankehit). I have been reading your books (Kelch der Wahrheit, Om and so many others) and striving for my personal evolution for some years now and will continue to do so until the end of my days or I run out of books- my question is do you think I can in my future incarnations I can avoid being born into a religious family or if that is not possible do you think I could draw on my impulses from the storage banks to break my consciousness free from the religious enslavement of Religion? In my future incarnations I wish to break free so I can find out about the mission, study again,and live my future incarnations with Wahrheit, Wissen, Weisheit, Liebe, Freiheit, Frieden, and Harmonie. Salome Corey answer: In about 800 years from now a greater number of people will begin to think about reality and getting away from religious belief. In your case, and in the case of everyone, there is no guarantee that your spiritform will be born into a non-religious family.This, however, is no obstacle as several examples of FIGU members prove who were capable to detach themselves from the religious upbringing in religious families. Each person with his personality must find his way anew in each incarnation, to find the truth in reality. --- I too often wonder how I will discover the teaching in my future incarnations, hopefully I am generating enough impulses in this lifetime with my studies that the impulses will manifest themselves in future incarnations as well, and be strong enough to reconnect me with the teaching. All I can say is I discovered the truthly truth in this lifetime so hopefully I can trust that I will discover it in future lifetimes as well. I, like you, spend some time thinking about this subject, and will keep on eye on this thread to see what others post. Maybe I can learn more about this too! I'm sure others will post responses so you can get a multi-faceted answers to ponder. As for asking Billy if the Plejaren can send impulses so the receiver can find the teaching in future lifetimes, I honestly cannot say how he would respond, but if you have the burning desire to ask, it can't hurt to ask right? At least you would have your "yes" or "no" answer. Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis page 124 Lehrshrift | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 834 Registered: 05-2008 |
Mark92111, Regarding your proposal, forget it .. not a chance. We humans are always trying to obtain psychological or physical security-assuredness for not only this life-time, but now since we know there are many lives to come, we need such assurances for all our future life-time incarnations as well! "Keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel". Iow, one life at a time, my son...and within that, one thought, one step at a time, and build upon that, further and further, on and on, etc. No matter what ones goals are, they still must be tackled step by step. Your current personality has its own mission of its own choosing and it is your mission to accomplish the tasks you set for your self, no matter the obstacles that present themselves. Your future personalities will have the impulses for your current efforts and the wisdom obtained from such living experiences deposited in its storage banks for all times and it will be up to your future personalities to further your current efforts, or not, or to use your hard-won wisdom in a direction of their own choosing and to expand it from there. Perhaps Billy could suggest some meditation that could strengthen future incarnation impulses in that direction. btw, has anyone seen the news about real-time language translation over skype? Perhaps language-translation devices attached to belts will not be too far off. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27599373 http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 595 Registered: 12-2009 |
Mark92111, Here is a key of so you can understand my question better: Gotteswahnglaube = God-delusion-belief Gotteswahn und Gotteswahnkrankheit = God-delusion and God-insanity Wahrheit = truth Wissen = knowledge Weisheit = wisdom Liebe = love Freiheit = freedom Frieden = peace Harmonie = harmony Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis page 124 Lehrshrift | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 06-2013 |
Hi Mark and Corey, I too would very much like to find the Meier material again in my future incarnations! I decided to spend much of my present incarnation to studying and incorporating the spiritual teachings into my daily thinking and life to help raise my spirituality as well as maybe also helping myself to find the Meier again in my next incarnation. Unfortunately I'm limited to only studying the translated English spiritual teachings. I realize there's a good chance I may not find it again in my next lifetime or even the next few ones after that. The worst case scenario is that I find the Meier material again when the rest of the world discovers it and is teaching it in all schools thousands of years from now. When I look at it from that point of view it still doesn't look all that bad because I know one day we will all know it and life will be so much better for everyone. It's only a matter of time/lifetimes. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 582 Registered: 08-2010 |
I second what Corey stated. I too have often pondered and reflected on thoughts about future incarnations and finding the Spiritual Teaching of the Prophets. During a meditative state, the following surfaced. The Petale have said that; "It is through the suffering..." I sense that in the future, should I be born into a religious family, the same thing will inevitably happen again. I will suffer due to the inability of gods to deliver on their promises. I will also note the inconsistencies and the obvious fallacies in the scriptures. I will begin to question the clergy and have discussions with them about my findings. I will take them to the breaking point where they have no logical explanation. This will cause me further questions. From there, I will stumble across the Spiritual Teaching again. I have found, as of recently, that my experience throughout my religious life has empowered me with the necessary knowledge and experience to better address the religious in discussions. This makes me very effective. I have experienced, through meditation, what could be described as shadowy glimpses of my future. Hope it is not delusional glimpses. I may ask Billy about this for explanations and clarifications. Salome, Eddie | ||
Mark92111 Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2013 |
Great replies! Thank you. When I think back to my earlier childhood when I was exploring religion it was all so unbelievable. Going from church to church it seemed to me at the time that the problem was with the church ministers. Now it is clear to me that it was the message. This makes me wonder about my past lives; Had I at some point known about the Spiritual Teaching? or Am I somehow immune to religion? Is each new life an improvement on the last? Your responses bring up many more questions. I will try to keep them brief. Eddie, you have access to the Petale levels already? Can you describe what differentiates the sensations of Petale vs the imagination? Vincent, I currently think as you do about this. Reality and logic based. English for me also.  Corey, thank you. Billy replied: "In about 800 years from now a greater number of people will begin to think about reality and getting away from religious belief. In your case, and in the case of everyone, there is no guarantee that your spiritform will be born into a non-religious family.This, however, is no obstacle as several examples of FIGU members prove who were capable to detach themselves from the religious upbringing in religious families. Each person with his personality must find his way anew in each incarnation, to find the truth in reality." His answers always bring more questions.  I will try to ask Billy in the next q/a. Thank you for your replies. Salome Mark San Diego,92111 }} | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 605 Registered: 12-2009 |
Mark, I am sure each life is an improvement over the last. It's the here and now that is important for your consciousness-based evolution, the choices and the decisions you make, the self-chosen obligations you take up, the thoughts and feelings you have, and developing intellect and rationality. It's amazing the thoughts that hit you as you discover the teaching. I haven't been exposed to religion since I was a young kid, but I remember hating Sunday school, memorizing all of that empty information that seemed unlogical and pointless to me. There had to be more out there. I am so grateful that I discovered the teaching in my current lifetime. I truly feel free and feel like I am evolving and developing instead of devolving. I wanted to say that Bruce brings up a good point about generating stronger impulses through meditation. One good way is death meditations, which results in deposited experience and knowledge about meditating about the death-life into the subconscious of the new consciousness block and new personality when the OCB is programming your next incarnation. If you want to know more, there was a good translation from the small Gratisschrift "meditation about death is important" and I want to say someone from the Creationaltruth.org posted it on the forums some time ago, but I can't find it now. But if you made the choice, the booklet is worth learning German for. This however is good reading: http://au.figu.org/weighty_death.html Good luck accumulating knowledge and wisdom, and learning to live in peace, freedom, harmony, love, etc.: Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis page 124 Lehrshrift | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Mark92111, There may be a reason that we are born again into a religious family: By overcoming obstacles we may grow more profoundly. I was born into Christian family. I will always credit my mother for her teaching of love and forgiveness. I may not follow their religion / rituals but I would never hate my parents. Nor will I ever say a hateful word against Christians or people of any other faith. I can see clearly that they, too, are a part of creation. The loving thought that connects me with my parents, the deep understanding and love for all creation – they make my life force more balanced and stronger. It is our destiny of humans to first learn the modus vivendi of different environments in this universe. By understanding our fellow humans and fellow creations more deeply we are more deeply able to develop without wars, unify this universe and (as its name truly implies) “turn it into one”. Salome | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 584 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Mark, (Mark92111) Based on your question, I take it you have just begun your journey into the Meier case and materials. No my friend, I do not have access to the Petale. I simply part-quoted something they have shared with human beings that lends more insights (further explanations) into the Law of the Contrariness learned about in the Goblet of the Truth. Salome, Eddie | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 836 Registered: 05-2008 |
Regarding "Meditation about the death is important" http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/2012/12/meditation-about-death-is-important.html http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome Bruce, Did you translate this writing by Billy about Death yourself? Or someone else? Since you have shared this with us here, may I, with your permission, in turn share with others? I resonate deeply with this explanation by Billy and am grateful for the unauthorized translation even if it contains error. I have always thought deeply about death since a very young age, and reading Billy's explanation about it after all these years, now that I am approaching middle age, confirms many of my own thoughts and clarifies for me at great depth many more things. It is very true what he writes. In my youth, no one wanted to take about it because it was not a good thing to talk about according to the society around me in which I grew up, but more important to focus on the material aspect of living life and being successful in it. Even today, most people shy away from indepth conversations and thoughts about death, forget about meditating on it. Thank you so much for sharing. Do let me know, if I can share in turn with others, for the unauthorized translations gives the gist quite well. I am grateful for the German original at it's side. Salome with Love ~ Piyali | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 837 Registered: 05-2008 |
Hi Piyali - sure, do whatever you want with it or any others I've done .. naturally point out the fact that they are unauthorized and unofficial yeah, I agree ... as Billy explains, avoidance of the whole topic also hurts the current life .. I guess one must point that out and explain why its so and that there is actually a current life benefit in understanding the significance of the death Salome http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/ Bruce | ||
Mark92111 Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2013 |
Eddie, I hope you didn't take offense to my assumption regarding what you mentioned about the Petale. I meant my question in the way it was typed. Not in a way it could be interpreted with bias. You stated: During a meditative state, the following surfaced. The Petale have said that; "It is through the suffering..." This led me to believe you witnessed a connection to the Petale during meditation. I admit I was skeptical but, due to my lack of knowledge regarding meditation and the Petale and then the confidence I have for your truthfulness I had succumbed to a misunderstanding. I can see now where the mistake was made so I understand now. I would say that I am not "new" to the teachings but, my memory of what was read is not up to so called standards. I would also say my intelligent gift (so to speak) lies in my ability to perceive logic and definitely not in math or memory. For me a subject has to be taken in and understood to a specific degree before it is committed to memory and even then it does not always stick. I believe I started my studies around 2010 2011 so you could base my newness and my relative ability to take in the information on that. Thank you for your replies. Salome Mark | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 587 Registered: 08-2010 |
Good to hear that Mark. No, I had not taken any offense and I appreciate your clarification. Good to see your logical/critical thinking was on point! I apologize for the lack of clarity in my post. What I meant to say is that the impression (cognition) that this statement had given me had surfaced into my mind as I began meditating... that as a further insight, the Petale had explained that evolution of consciousness comes through the "suffering". Meaning, as explained in the Goblet, that the law of the contrariness is interwoven into everything. The prophet lists a variety of examples so as to help us understand the law and the principle it carries. (GotT 21:4) Of particular intrigue is verse 5 of the same chapter. This verse explains that the "challenges" in life are actually "encouragement". Looked at through this perspective, challenges in life take on a whole new meaning and purpose. Salome, Eddie | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2013 |
The Plejaren Gabriel (Quetzal) was the biological father of Jmmanuel. Did he play any role in bringing up his son? Even visits? I didn't find any information on this in the contact notes. I thought the spirit teachings say something about there being an obligation in raising one's offspring? | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 687 Registered: 12-2009 |
Vincent, In the corrected TJ 2011 edition (German only) there is no direct mention of contact between Jmmanuel and Gabriel but in the 4th chapter, Jmmanuel was whisked away in a Plejaren beamship and spent 40 days and 40 nights in a Plejaren station in Hyperborea learning many things from an unnamed JHWH, as part of his training to become a prophet. During this 40 days/40 nights excursion, Jmmanuel also was taken around the SOL system so he could see the different planets and moons etc. The only other mention of the Plejaren, was the "guardian angel" at Jmmanuel's gravehole, who told Maria (mother of Jmmanuel) and Maria-Magdelena that Jmmanuel survived the crucifiction because he was in a meditative induced coma and did not perish, but had fled. Even though Jmmanuel's mother was impregnated by Gabriel, Jmmanuel was raised by Joseph. Although one can speculate further though that like Billy, Jmmanuel's life (and possibly early years) consisted of secret contacts with the Plejaren JHWHs, possibly even Gabriel, especially during his years as a prophet, but I do not remember any direct mention of these contacts in the TJ 2011 edition. -note: part of Jmmanuel's training as a prophet consisted of training from terrestrial sources of wise and knowledgeable ones named masters in the far East and India (TJ 2011 edition 29:24). Salome Corey Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 869 Registered: 07-2009 |
> From what I recall, he was only late with child support payments once and that was because he was off in space somewhere. However, it's also said that when he realized it he went back in time, made the payment a few days EARLY and stragihtened everything out. Out of course, since no one then remembered he was late with the payment in the first place…what was the question? | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 615 Registered: 08-2010 |
I find it interesting that the prophet of the universe, who writes the spiritual teaching for the High Council, would be instructed by mortal (though highly evolved and knowledgeable) men and women. I have been studying a martial art of the Badui (Kaneke) people of Indonesia. In this system, the guru is not "tested" for his knowledge as you find in other martial arts around the world. To become a guru in this system, one has to "showcase" (demonstrate) their knowledge. They are to also demonstrate their ability to teach by explaining and expounding correctly, thus demonstrating that they are competent and able to serve others in their journey of self-discovery and expression. This is very clear to me as I read these instructions and lessons from federation members who have taught or provided lessons, warnings, advice and so on. To me they are demonstrating to the prophet of the universe that they are worthy of their participation in the Mission. That through their arduous study and personal efforts and development, that they are worthy of the elo or jshwjsh/jshrjsh level attained. Salome, Eddie | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 04-2013 |
It is my understanding that in TJ 2011, that a Plejaren was the so called "guardian angel" at Jmmanuel's gravesite, who told Maria (mother of Jmmanuel) and Maria-Magdalena that Jmmanuel survived the crucifixion because he was in a meditative induced coma and did not perish, but had fled. It’s obvious the Maria-Magdalena was very important to Jmmanuel; was she a Terrestrial or Extraterrestrial; do we know who this person is today? | ||
Vincent Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 06-2013 |
Ok, thanks All! I haven't read the TJ yet. Seems likely Gabriel may have been visiting him. There must have been a special exception in this case that allowed Gabriel not to raise his son. It must be awkward and sad to see one's offspring grow old and die of old age long before you do. |
