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    Blake_p Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 07-2012 |
Kenneth, Maria M- as you put,her correct name. Was definitely a terrestrial human being,as well as a discipless. And I assume,through the text and explanations and also agreed upon by Vivienne L when we asked her-her opinion,that she was a "confidant" of Jmmanuel's. Someone he was close to and had a physical relationship with as well. There were no other "Guardians angels" that interacted with the terrestrial population,same as today,the prophet is the medium between us and them. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1034 Registered: 06-2008 |
"It’s obvious the Maria-Magdalena was very important to Jmmanuel; was she a Terrestrial or Extraterrestrial; do we know who this person is today?" Those who say dont know and those who know wont say. It's for pretty certain that among the past and present C49 some have been among the cast of characters from the inner circle concerning events 2,000 years ago though Billy Meier avoids making any of this public because it would lead to all manner of speculation and unnecessary burdens on the everyday lives of those involved. Oh excuse me xxxxxx i understand you were ZZZZZZ at the time J was wandering around the middle east 2,000 years ago .... can you describe what it was like, what really happened and how does it feel to be a historical celebrity ? I'm sure for those concerned this would be among the last sort of distractions they need. Cheers. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 688 Registered: 12-2009 |
Blake, you wrote: "There were no other "Guardians angels" that interacted with the terrestrial population,same as today,the prophet is the medium between us and them." You are incorrect in this instance. Yes there was a "Wächterengel" with clothing as white as snow (space suit), he had a phaser which he used on the terrestrial soldier guarding it, then he conversed with both women in the gravehole (31:7). See TJ 2011 edition page 248-249 or 31:3-31:15! Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 04-2013 |
Thank you all for the input regarding the Talmud of Jmmanuel and Maria-Magdalena. I have studied a lot of various religions looking for the truth before I found the “Talmud of Jmmanuel” and B.E.A.M.; on many of these journeys I ran across articles about Mary Magdalene i.e. Maria-Magdalena who is often falsely referred to as a religious figure in Christianity. As you know there is a lot of drama associated with her; to me it was pretty obvious that certain ones in so called power at the time did not want Maria-Magdalena in the picture; she was defamed, scorned and many lies created around her which I’m sure the majority of you have heard. I understand that Billy avoids making any of this public because it would lead to all manner of speculation and unnecessary burdens on the everyday lives of those involved. A better question for me to ask would have been; is there any information of some of the past incarnations of Maria-Magdalena? It’s imagined that her spirit would be as before, in the background supporting Billy’s spirit/mission? Maria being more than a disciple today would not be a surprise; still a confidant; who knows? I’m not sure what the statement “among the past and present C49” refers to? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 1035 Registered: 06-2008 |
"is there any information of some of the past incarnations of Maria-Magdalena?" Maybe within the C49 past lives of those other than Billy have been discussed among themselves but nothing of that nature has leaked out publicly though some persons close to C49 persons might have heard various things. "I’m not sure what the statement “among the past and present C49” refers to?" The core group of 49. Gender equality has hardly been a strong point among religions in general. I think so far only the Anglicans (church of England) have ordained female priestesses though various groups throughout the ages have also had females playing equal roles ..... particularly the Wicca .... the witchcraft movement which maybe explains it's widespread popularity. Cheers. | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 07-2012 |
Corey, Of course you are technically correct,but what I meant was that there were no other E.T.'s interacting with the disciples or diciplesses personally nor were there actual E.T.'s that were in the group itself. It does say that the E.T.'s were seen at different times,mostly in their beamships but yea you are correct that there were instances that there paths collided briefly. | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 07-2012 |
Oh and by the way I will have to look this info up because it's been a while and I forgot the exact person but one of the CG members or someone close to Figu that has been around for a while is the former incarnation of Maria M. It is a woman and I keep wanting to say Eva but I'm not sure. I'll ask. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2476 Registered: 12-1999 |
I don't think its Eva,.. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 04-2013 |
Now that makes sense that Maria Magdalena's spirit would be in the core group; and maybe other previous disciples as well. | ||
Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 04-2009 |
so that who are the persons in the core group? | ||
Verlanis Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2012 |
The answer to "who used to be who" is a simple waste of time. Pondering past lifetimes does nothing but open the mind to fairy tales which can be used malignantly by fake gurus. Pardon my blunt response, but much and many shenanigans gets played with by "new age" spiritual groups fascinated with the unreal. The subject of past lives has grown like a weed for many count draculas, and jesus wannabes. It's much like the story of Saint Germaine telling his supposed history to the royalty of europe; whereas, the real Comte was a consummate liar and actor as related by Semjase in one of the earliest contacts. Jack -- | ||
Lenita New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2014 |
Hello, i would like to know if some plejaren could, by living with humans forget their roots and where their ancestors come from and live like humans do ? Or it can be part of the mission they deleted the memories of some plejaren that were volunteer to live like humans as an experiment to show them the way to behave by recovering little by little their memory. Thanks | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 04-2011 |
To the moderator: I kindly ask the moderator to only publish this revised article (leave out the previous two – they may confuse the reader as they contained 2 passages of Mary, the mother of Jmmanuel) Thank you. Salome Bill ------------------------------------------ Hi Kenneth, A collection of info re. the origin of Maria M.: E. Cayce's readings *) may contain some hints about past incarnations: “According to Cayce's readings, the soul that was Mary Magdalene (#295 in the Cayce files) began her incarnations in this world as the princess Amliea in Atlantis, with a talent for maintaining the life force in physical bodies through magnetic treatments, presumably using the famed Atlantean crystal…” http://magdalhnh.blogspot.com.au/2009/06/edgar-cayce-on-mary-magdalene.html Salome Bill *) Billy seems to endorse some of EC’s statements: Edgar Cayce kann und darf ebensowenig in die Vorgenannten eingereiht werden, wie auch nicht Nostradamus. E. Cayce war ein begabter Seher und ein ausgezeichnetes Medium, während Nostradamus ein Seher und Berechner astrologischer Form war. Billy (my own translation) Edgar Cayce cannot and should not be classified as one of the pre-mentioned ones. Neither should be Nostradamus. Edgar Cayce was a gifted (talented) seer and and an excellent medium while Nostradamus was a seer and one who could calculate astrological forms. Billy Billy: Good, then I would like to ask you something in reference to Egyptian mummy tombs. It is always maintained that the clairvoyant Cayce, or whatever his name is, is to have said that underground cities and large mummy tombs, etc. are still buried in Egypt. What is to be made of this? Quetzal: 74. Such cities and tombs actually exist, but they haven’t been found up to the current time. To some degree EC’s readings were correct (e.g.Jmmanuel was in India). But BEAM also said that even though Cayce was gifted that his info was also very clouded by his religious beliefs. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/7511.html#POST28576 (e.g. when EC speaks about “God” he means “Creation” etc.) As J P Larousse expressed it in http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/2457.html#POST8998 EC may well be the missing link between Christian beliefs and the Spirit Teachings of Billy the Ps.. | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 484 Registered: 09-2011 |
Lenita, here's how I read your question - you are asking if someone were transplanted from another planet to this one, if they would lose their memory? That's a nuanced question. The short answer is no, they would not lose their memory, rather their memory would function just fine. Additionally, there are no Plejaren living among us. That said, there is such a thing as reincarnation, but it's limited to given planets. Thus, when someone comes to Earth and dies, they are reborn here. In dying and being reborn, one's memory dissolves into the aether. We can touch upon the memory of our prior lives - perhaps - when we are quite young, but by the time we're old enough to hold a stronger sense of self, what we can remember of our prior lifetimes folds into our personality and is forgotten. Some of us are pulled to the stars because we subconsciously remember prior lifetimes where such things were possible, and we subconsciously work to bring that prior, more advanced lifestyle back into being. There are not too many of such people, though. Not very many at all, considering the size of Earth's population. Generally it's not possible to recognize whether oneself is a reincarnated extraterrestrial, not yet. Our bodies and spirits are just not that advanced. Since that question just leaves us spinning our wheels but going nowhere, perhaps its best to assume whatever makes us happy, and then move on. We can prove ourselves right or wrong when we die. Life | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 04-2013 |
This is why the Plejaren refuse to allow any more filming or photo’s of their Beamships. The Beamship and sound on this site were obviously plagiarized from Billy’s work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUa5UBhBc6E | ||
Tetrahedron New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2014 |
Hello everyone Alright, so where does one actually begin in a plejaren based system of living? Its clear at least in my environment that that isnt a particularly realistic goal, and like minded individuals are few and very far between. Issues aside, where does one actually begin, and above all, how would you expand actually gate this? | ||
Michaelhelfert Member Post Number: 516 Registered: 09-2011 |
Tetrahedron: I wanted to respond to your request for a response. I know I enjoy feedback, even when it is silly. Hope this helps. You asked how to best start with this stuff. Some people dip their toes in it, then recoil from the water's depth. For instance, for me the dismissal of truly helpful information from NDE's was a big leap. For others the contrarian portrayal of any of the Abrahamic religions could be a step too far. Probably many people on this forum have run across something here that can be hard to accept. If you do find a large element that doesn't make sense to you, just sit with it for awhile. Learn *around* it abit before really digging into the issue. In this manner you will at least have more understanding for however you choose deal with it. But that's vague advice, I spose. 1. Read, read, read the material, taking time enough to think about what you read. Don't be afraid to correct others who misquote or misunderstand things, and likewise accept their correction without getting your hair up so high that you drop the study. 2. When you are ready, and not before, start some self-discipline, such as meditation... knowing full-well why you are doing so. If you do these two simple things, that will be enough for to start on this path. As you learn more, any further steps should become self-obvious. Life | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 761 Registered: 12-2009 |
This is a response to Tetrahedron's question, which was posted in an area of the forums that I cannot respond, so I will put my response here. Basically it isn't Plejaren living that Billy writes about in the spiritual teaching, it's how to be a true human being, by learning to fulfill and live in accordance with the laws and recommendations of Creation. To put it simply, even with your surroundings of no like-minded individuals, you gain from Billy's teaching by studying the spiritual teaching, and making changes in your personal life (in your personal sphere) to learn how to live in tune with the laws and recommendations of Creation, and learn to formulate the high values Billy writes about in his books, nourishing your knowledge and accumulating wisdom in your day to day life. To do so, and to process what Billy writes about, you have to harness your intellect and rationality, and you have to learn how to be nuetral-positive. There are plenty of translations of spiritual teaching, "The Psyche", "Might of the Thoughts", and the "Goblet of the Truth" to name a few. Reading translated contact reports can be valuable, but the meat and potatoes for human living is the spiritual teaching. It never hurts to learn German so you can access the thousands of pages of untranslated material, but some just stick to the English translations. It really boils down to personal choice, but it is your evolution, and each human being is responsible for their evolution, it really depends on how far you are willing to go to evolve, and how much you see Billy's written teaching as a helping hand as a determining factor in evolutive evolution. Evolution takes countless lifetimes, but now since you found out about Billy in your current lifetime, you could take advantage of the situation & kick-start your evolution by studying hard, and asking questions when you need to. FIGU has a saying, repetition makes a good study. Pleasant studying! Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Jedaiah Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 09-2012 |
Billy's teachings are like a pointer to the right direction. In the end it's up to you to actually walk the walk. There are some that may encounter his material and study almost every page but still be behind a human that has never even heard of Billy. The point is, evolution is a self-fulfillment purpose and one that requires not just reading or studying but doing and striving in every day life to achieve your evolution. At work, at play, at rest, at thinking X, Y, B and Z, there is no cut off process for the spiritual life because the true spiritual life is awareness that is occurring at every single second at every single quadrant of existence. | ||
Tetrahedron New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2014 |
Hi Corey And Michaelhelfert The plejaren model is quite ideal and probably well working, though that wont undo foundamental flaws to it. First, no one has actually seen them or had any interaction with them to gain any personal basis of what the "spiritual" teaching is to be a "true human being". Aside from billy's word, thats a particular dilemma especially when your trying to break the ice in contact, and gain a true transference in spiritual energy for the sake of understanding. Because of this particular despairity, there is nothing to particularly separate it from other fictional high extraterrestrial civilizations. This is a serious problem. If spiritual teachings to be a true human being is the plejaren goal, then they are going to fail for a simple reason. First, it gets lost in corruptions from the people taking it, and that in turn spreads, and leaves a bad mark for anyone with it trying to find any sort of spiritual human lifestyle and living. My father for instance is an adventist who is also a paster and church elder, but his lifestyle and actual workings are not close to alot of what is taught. i.e vegetarianism, healthy lifestyle, etc. And of course in his deeper psyche, he has never meet "god", and therefor seems to circumvent that by being a status member of a church. My point is, one cannot go out of there way to varify, interact, or kalon with the plejarens. Probably for the simply fact that they are to weak to even exemplify it, or scared to be with humans on a personal scale. Then there is always the lingering probability that they simply dont exist. There are of course other deeper desires to this, if one wanted to leave the planet of the sake of gaining broader understandings, one cannot do that because one has no means of doing that because one cannot contact someone outside of this solar system for the sake of that. Many keep saying humans should stay on earth to not "spread curruption", or because its not right, but those idea's are deeply flawed themselves for reasons I already said. To me at least the teachings tend to get thrown in the new age category(yoga, occult, which are my favorites). As a result, reading a book on star wars tends to be just as useful  In short, aiming for being a true human is a worthwhile life pursuit, it often requires something of higher life and civilization intervention and interaction to legitimately cut through the thick of humanity for the sake of it, or else it gets lost in the thick of it as ive over stated ;) | ||
Str0323 Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2012 |
Hello Everyone. Corey, excellent response to Tetrahedron. Sending loving thoughts your way. With Respect, Salome, Scott Reed. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 764 Registered: 12-2009 |
Scott Reed: Thanks for the loving thoughts. Billy writes a lot about intellect (Verstand) and rationality (Vernunft) in his books. As I'm sure you have figured out, these two qualities are necessary to comprehend Billy's teaching and contemplate the profound wisdom contained therein, that is just waiting to be studied. Tetrahedron: Billy's teaching is not New Age material in any way, shape, or form! Billy has a lot of negative things to say about New Age material that is circulating the planet. The point of Billy's material is not whether or not the Plejaren actually exist (it will be centuries upon centuries until we our descendants meet them or not), it is the explanations necessary for how to be a true human being, and our future survival (as Michael Horn says). If you want to know more about how to be a true human being, and how to live in peace with love, peace, freedom, equality and equivalence for all life-forms, harmony, and further your knowledge and wisdom, you'll just have to start reading Billy's books, and like I said make changes in your day to day life. If not, good luck to you on your journey. It is not deficient, because, you, as an individual, read the material, and apply it to your personal life. It's that simple. It offers undistorted truths to you, that no Earth religion can offer. For the Plejaren equivalent of Star Trek's prime directive, there will never be direct Plejaren intervention on Earth, and contact with more then Billy, so the teaching can spread to the entire mankind, the sad truth is this will take a long time (800 years). It's up to sparse individuals to carry the mission forward for future generations, and of course Michael Horn will still be doing what he does to try and change that! A big part of the teaching is self-responsibility, so it is up to us Earth humans to change the Earth for the better, starting with yourself as an individual (according to Ptaah). Jedaiah: Appreciate the feedback! Actually studying the material helps because it is so complex, profound, deep, and different then anything else on Earth, that you have to study it, to make correct changes in your life as you walk the walk. Make sense? My post actually said to make the changes in his/her personal sphere, and nourish his/her knowledge and accumulate wisdom in his/her day to day life (*A) (i.e. "walk the walk"), which is one of the purposes and points of life. So you and I were actually making the same point. Billy has written that many of the Earth are stagnate in their evolution, and even some are to the point where they are devolving instead of evolving. "Arahat Athersata" page 108 verse 33 explains that for 2000 years, Earth mankind has fallen into forgetfullness of one of the ground principles of life, the law of Contrariness,(*B) that everything exists of a positive (+) pole, and a negative (-) pole, and the unity of the two consists of formulating a hyperunity of equalisedness. This is everywhere, good and evil, joy and sorrow, day and night, summer and winter, warm and cold, take the unity of male and female, and you get pregnancy. This universal law is the key to evolution! Billy further explains on page 141 verse 362 that if only one pole, either positive (+) or negative (-) (good or evil in normal average human concepts) is present, the spirit and the consciousness will not evolve (*C). It has to be a symbiotic union of the 2 poles to evolve correctly. This is only 2 points of the thousand if not millions Billy makes in his books, so you have to study so you know what finer points to contemplate and what changes to make in your day to day life. It is like a roadmap to following the directions, but you are correct that it is up to you to make it happen, and for me, part of that is the self-discipline of regular study time of one hour (although I am not perfect, and take days off). I personally noticed when I don't study, I am not contemplating this stuff as much, and my cognitions are not as deep, and profound. Salome Corey (*A) see 4th prayer to your consciousness from Nokodemion about gathering knowledge, power/force, wisdom, truth, and bringing connectedness application of love in universal peace and freedom in consciousness ability. Also nourishing your unknowlege with knowledge and wisom. Kraftimpuls (*B) = summary of "Arahat Athersata" page 108 verse 31/33 copyright FIGU/BEAM (*C) = summary of "Arahat Athersata" page 141 verse 362 copyright FIGU/BEAM Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Historeed Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 09-2008 |
Tetrahedron, I disagree that the Plejaren will fail at their goal. You don't need to verify anything with the Plejaren regarding the spiritual teaching. It must be verified by one's own self and that is done through contemplation of nature and it's laws, along with meditation. Of course you could ask how do I know this, but the point is you must find out for yourself. Saalome Matthew Reed |
