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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1116
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 05:39 pm: | 
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Dear Suv!
IMO, the Bowfield-Brown effect seems like a much less fruitful (and already well beaten) path than Richard P. Crandall's.
http://www.theyalltoldthetruth.com/id69.htm
Once I started looking into the electrodynamics conspiracy revealed by Bearden, I was shocked (no pun intended!) to learn that there seems to be no end of utterly different, distinct and essentially unrelated ways of producing free energy and/or anti-gravity/propulsive effects.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Abdiel
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 - 08:14 pm: |
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Is amusing for me to see the people speaking and explaining about the "antigravity technology" and the interstellar vehicles and at the same time they not build a model to prove their theories.
I see people engaging in heated discussions about the matter but I have never saw one of those rpeople creating a functional "flying saucer"
As for me: I simply can't speack about the stuff that I don't know.
Is more, the extraterrestrials are the first people that don't like that we reach that techology. |
Sarah
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Post Number: 207
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 04:46 am: |
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I would argue that its not the Plejerens that care so much about what we have, its the government itself that wants to keep making money, and doesnt want us to have this technology, with information on how to build such technology freely available so we could leave this world.
But as a cyberpunk might be caught saying, information deserves to be free.:3 |
Abdiel
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 11:37 am: |
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To sara:
If the history of the Ets about the genetic manipulation in sirius is true, is obvious that the ET's don't like that we reach that transportation metods because they would not control us anymore and we could represent a problem to civilizations of more evolded beings. |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 07:11 am: |
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Abdiel:
Your postings need a qualitative boost in order to stand proudly next to the measure set by most people on this board. Your syntax and punctuation are deplorable, your exhibited reasoning is beneath reproach, your subject matter is inconsequential.
Why don't you take some time away from the keyboard (please...) to just read the material and postings here on this board, without interjection? Perhaps you can take some notes and attempt to organize them. If you do this, the quality of your reasoning and subsequent posting might improve.
Hope that helps.
Life
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Abdiel
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Post Number: 58
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 12:07 pm: |
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michaelhelfert:
What is amusing for my is to see people speaking of some technology and at the same time nobody in this planet have created such technology until this date.
One can postulate a theory and try to prove those postulates in a laboratory...
The large hadron collider is because this people want "exotic" technology to travel to the stars. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 894
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 09:33 am: |
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Hi All
In the latest high resolution image of the wedding cake UFO there seems to be certain interesting anomalies that appears to be quite baffling.
The rim on the underside of the globes seems to be distorted and not perfectly consistent around the circumference.
It could be the radiation effect on Billy's camera.
The more interesting aspect of the WCUFO is of the night time one that according to theystillfly book to my recollection is 21 meters
On this WCUFO there appears to be a wooden post and some landscape of Swiss countryside directly underneath it but the most astonishing of all is what appears to be a human figure (Ptaah or Quetzal) standing inside the central opening on the top part of the craft waste up with half their face obscured looking out towards Billy.
The other WCUFO photos have this central opening hollow and pitch black with nothing discernible inside.
Maybe its just my wild imagination gone haywire but do any of you see this?
http://theyflyblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/WCUFO-extended-cupola.jpg
Matt Lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 894
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 10:11 am: |
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This cropped image from the latest high resolution photo of night time WCUFO is in reference to my previous post |
Rarena
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Post Number: 753
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 11:45 am: |
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The craft was written to be 21 feet... that's seven meters... not twenty one meters... |
Rarena
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Post Number: 754
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 11:47 am: |
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To me... Plejaren antigravity technolgy makes sense... why not use the things already traveling at light speed to more easily attain light speed... (I.E. Tachyons) |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 897
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 11:08 pm: |
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Thanks Randy, my bad recollection
That 7 meters diameter would appear to be more congruent with the size of what appears to be a human figure inside the opening with what appears to be half a face observable with body from waist up and even the whole left arm may be sticking out of the hole resting on that thing that is protruding up.
I know I am stretching a very long bow here but the moment I saw this high resolution photo of the WCUFO that part of the craft took my attention away.
About the Tachyons, what you said makes logical sense.
cheers
Matt Lee |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 244
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2013 - 06:00 pm: |
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Hello all,
When I first saw this image on the iigwest site it just seemed like an example of a pattern which could replicate the one on the beamship.
http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/wedding_cake_ufo_deconstruction.html
However, on the new higher resolution scans, it can be seen that the pattern is indeed, exactly the same one!
And not only that, the top also has some ridges on it.
On the other hand, it's still not exactly the same object. The one on the ship seems to have one or two extra horizontal tiers of "stars". But still... from a sceptic's point of view, these similarities would not be surprising at all, however coming from an assumption that these are indeed photos of an extraterrestrial spaceship, it's quite bizarre. I wonder what Ptaah would have to say about this, this time. Another beamship blueprint that ended up on the hands of some trinket manufacturers? Plejaren designing their ships with the specific goal of making them appear like models? Definitive proof of the extraterrestrial's warped sense of humour? Either way, going by the non-model hypothesis, it's strange.
David |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 902
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2013 - 07:22 pm: |
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Hi David
Very good point David and good attention to details
They certainly do have a comical sense of humour and are always many steps ahead of the curve.
Even if I personally had access to a time machine it would be beyond my intelligence by many factors of degrees to set this up.
BTW may be its just me but the light reflection from the cropped image you've put up seems to reflect a couple of artificial lighting source other than what emanates from the actual craft itself as shadows and dark patches should not be visible if the sole source of light is from the craft itself.
This would mean that the artificial light source must also cast shadows of objects such as the wooden post and landscape beneath the WCUFO towards the direction away from the light source and illuminate more brightly the surface areas of the craft closer to the light source.
Now I've taken my share of nighttime photos in my lifetime but there is just no way in the world that any camera flashlight device from that 70's era let alone from the current one can illuminate that brightly with this specific lighting effect on the craft taken that far away.
It appears that the Plejaren have set it up in such a way that it looks like a small model with photo taken of it close up but as most sane people know, the bright flash from the camera light will illuminate erratically all clear surface areas which will never have a focused lighting effect if it was taken close up as people can see from the pointed reflection of the globes/spheres and the matte semi gloss effect which indicates the light source as being from a far distance and in twos.
This will be impossible to replicate or duplicate even by professional photographers in controlled real life settings without photoshop let alone with a Ricoh Singlex TLS 55mm Focal Length Camera.
Matt Lee |
Johnboy
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 02:12 pm: |
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Here is a photo of the WCUFO on the ground with the 'pins' protruding from the middle set of spheres. The 'pins' appear to be in a stable horizontal position. http://theyflyblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/WCUFO-on-the-ground-1.jpg
A very clear difference from the rotated 'flying' positions of the same pins in this night time photo. http://theyflyblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/image002.png Please ignore the arrow reference to a different object on the copula.
Johnboy |
Johnboy
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Post Number: 118
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 02:02 pm: |
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As I look at the high definition version of the WCUFO, I notice that the things that appear as 'flattened pins' are rotated as though they were controlling a gyroscopic stabilizer. The three 'pins' to the right of the opening in the cupola appear to have rotated clockwise from 30 to 40 degrees out of the horizontal plane of the cupola. The 'pins' to the left of the opening appear to be rotated counter-clockwise from 10 to 20 degrees. When you look at the WCUFO in various other photos, those pins are always aligned with the plane of the cupola. Take a look at this photo from Michael Horns website and you can see for yourself. http://theyflyblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/WCUFO-extended-cupola.jpg
To me, those 'pins' would always appear the same...unless the craft is using them to stabilize in flight (hovering).
Johnboy |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 903
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 09:56 pm: |
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Well done Johnboy this aspect of the craft never even crossed my mind and thanks for that very observant and keen eye for details
I think there is this synchronicity from the FIGU thought collective impulsing many members here on this recent round which is being picked up and animated from for some much required truth to be helped to come to light at this particular juncture to set the subsequent stage of the future which may lead people to discover more that was hidden in plain sight.
Just on another note I would like to expand on the artificial light source theory.
1) Can anybody here organise a professional expert on photographic analysis to more closely scrutinise the lighting effect on the nighttime WCUFO as this aspect may be worth paying closer attention to.
2) The reason being that it is logically inconceivable that the flashlight from Billy's ancient camera and what emanates from the craft itself is the sole source of light as there has got to be a third option (telemetric disc?)
3) Some of these nighttime WCUFO photos are taken very far away especially the one's with the Mercedes Benz underneath it.
I Mean seriously not even the brightest floodlights or even a tennis court light aimed at the WCUFO could illuminate the craft as brightly as it has from such a far away distance AND with that specific refractory effect. The light reflection is just too neat on the craft.
4) It has got to be beyond insanity of insane for anyone to accuse Billy of taking a photo closeup of a model UFO.
If he did where the heck is the bright glare seeing as the WCUFO has a clear surface.
If anyone has seen a photo of someone who has taken a photo of themselves in front of mirror would know, the bright glare reflected off from the clear surface of the mirror will ruin the photo.
5) If we can compile some proof of the source of the light that is illuminating this nighttime WCUFO other than from Billy's camera and what emanates from the craft itself, not only will it prove beyond a shadow of doubt to the skeptics that Billy was telling the truth and vindicate him in the eyes of the world but it'll also add more ammunition against the skeptics false accusation that is doing harm to the mission because many people do believe them.
Just as Michael Horn's and other FIGU friend's tireless dedication to corroborating real world sources to Billy's information or visa versa, any additional finding and new discoveries will have a positive incremental and value added effect in the long run towards the year 2029 and beyond as every little bit counts in my opinion.
Matt Lee |
Johnboy
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2013 - 05:13 am: |
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An example of the use of gyroscopic stabilizers can be observed with this invention called the 'Cubli'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y I would imagine the Plejaren took this a step further and put 'Cubli' type devices in each one of the spheres on the WCUFO which would certainly allow an incredible amount of gyroscopic stabilization to a craft during any type of flight, especially while hovering.
Johnboy |
Johnboy
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Post Number: 120
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2013 - 05:50 am: |
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A much larger version of gyroscopic stabilizers in action can be observed with this device. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbT_XoSIlEo
The 'pins' on the WCUFO appear to be reacting in the same manner as the 'absolute encoders' on the device in this link.
Johnboy |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 756
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2013 - 01:55 pm: |
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> Please let's not project limitations and assumptions about what the Plejaren are doing - and what we are really seeing. It would seem to be beyond obvious that they don't "need" to put "gyroscopic stabilizers"…on a craft that not only travels in space but quite possibly in time. |
Johnboy
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Post Number: 121
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2013 - 05:59 am: |
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I believe we can all agree that the 'pins' appear rotated out of the horizontal plane in the HD night time photo. At least they appear that way to me. As a licensed pilot with helicopter experience, I can personally say that a 'gyroscopic stabilizer' is very helpful in the the mode of hovering. Please don't get me wrong, the Plejaren technology is clearly beyond our comprehension on many levels. All I am saying is that the rotation of the pins in the photo 'could' have something to do with stabilization. But, by no means would I try to limit the Plejaren technology. I can only relate it to the technology that I am aware of at this time. Kinda like when "Ezekiel saw the wheel"....which was, allegedly, his way to describe something he had never seen before. I should have made myself clearer in the previous post. Michael, I truly appreciate the tireless efforts you put forth regarding the mission. I support your efforts and will continue to share your info as much as I can. Salome.
Johnboy |
Stardustwilly
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 01-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2015 - 02:26 pm: |
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I've been wanting to start up a discussion about anti-gravity tech. I've searched out the forum for any topics related to flying disk made by Otis T. Carr back in the 1950's in the USA, I typed in the search function on here numerous times, and found nothing yet on this, anyway from reading the info on a website dedicated to continuing Carr's work on free energy and flying crafts, they make the claim that he along with his engineers and technicians built a complete model and traveled in it with a crew of three pilots, then they were shut down by the gov, and the people we can't speak of behind the gov, after they put out so much media attention, Carr's organization, by trying to manufacture these crafts for sale. There is a guy who is still alive the last I read, on the website, who was on of the copilots, he said he was eighteen at the time so he didn't remember much. They don't really give the complete details on how the craft operates, but I have my theory on how it work, from them it only requires a few simple parts, made from common material and a common battery power soarce. This guy Carr talked like you don't need any exotic metals to travel to other planets or even other dimensions, just aluminum, copper, a rechargeable battery, and you pilot the craft with your mind, they had a geranium crystal in it also, he sure sounds confident in his audio interviews if you listen to them. I don't know what to make of it, he said anybody who had average mechanical skills could build one if they were given the plans, and he does write ordinary people would be traveling to other planet soon there after, I find hard to believe something that early in development wouldn't have problems, like braking down in the middle of space, and being stranded, or landing on a hostle planet, and getting stranded. On the Carr craft I don't of anything on it like poison atmosphere detection, no self defence devices, it has windows, I don't know how you would be shielded from stars or suns radiations, and the cabin just has it's own air, I mean how long could you breath air in the cabin? You would or might have to have a rebreather unit, or air tanks, for some way to continue uses air in the long travel, but he seems to talk like he had, or was going work it all out, he was to have met Tesla, while he was a hotel clerk working his, way through school, so that's were he got his working plans from, the man still alive talking about this seems honest, I hope this writing is understandable I'm not a writer. |
Germán
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 29, 2015 - 08:33 am: |
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Hi Stardustwilly.
I have spent much time researching the Otis Carr saucer, and I found that it was a central component called "utron" which was filled with mercury. This same description is common in so-called german flying saucers supposedly developed by the Thule society, which we know they had contact with the Giza Intelligences.
It would be nice if someone could offer more information or perhaps ask Billy if he knows anything more about the Thule society.
Salome |
Stardustwilly
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 01-2015
| | Posted on Friday, May 08, 2015 - 01:01 pm: |
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From my studies, of what they have posted themselves, the group presently with their website up, is that the central accumulator is a battery filled with electrolyte to provide electromotive force to begin the magnetomotive circuit. I never really got how mercury was involved, the element that is, because the element alone is not an electrolyte. Now back in the 50s mercury was used in batteries, as mercurychloride or something like that, but this battery was supposed to recharge itself from the regenerating coils, it couldn't be filled with pure mercury, and the electrolyte has to be of the recharging kind. It seems like they would have been more secretive with their location with the crafts and all, they should have never given out their real business address to the people that turned them in, they shouldn't have dealt with so many people out in the open like that, I thought they were wasting their time on the radio, tying to sale the craft for 20 million in 50s dollars, nobody had 20 million to throw around like that then, or even now it would be at least a 100+ million today. They just put a target on themselves, he should have disapeared long before they came after him, and you could have done that easy back in 1959, nobody should have ever found the location where the craft was, and they shouldn't have made them so large, they should have made them no bigger than 20 feet dia, so they could ship then out on truck, or take them apart.
The plans and the notes on the craft couldn't have been more than a small stack of notebooks, yet they said the authorities got hold of them for keeps, I don't see how such an operation could collapse like that? You would think if they where that far along enough to build and pilot the ship, that they could have at least hidden the plans a little better than that. The story is an incredible one though, i'll write some more about what I think of the whole matter, when I can remember back on what I read. |
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